Sailor Moon is worse in general than those other two. So it makes sense that an adaptation of it would also be worse.

>>281919397
What makes it worse than those other two?

>>281919397
>Sailor Moon is worse in general than those other two.
Both Sailor Moon and Fruits Basket are degenerate shit because they both feature typical otaku pedo weebslop pandering in the form of suggesting father/daughter incest.

Mew Mew is the only normal one out of the 3, with no gross pedo or incest implications, therefore it’s automatically the best.

>>281919397
How is Sailor Moon worse than Fruits Basket and Tokyo Mew Mew?

>>281919585
>How is Sailor Moon worse than Fruits Basket and Tokyo Mew Mew?
Because the remake was done by Toei.

>>281919800
Toei still did good stuff around this time. People seemed to like Go Princess Precure

>>281919577
Holt shit adding more buzzwords to your posts won't make it true, faggot.

Why was it?

>>281920062
>Not make it true
Have you actually seen Sailor Moon and Fruits Basket? They both unironically shill father/daughter incest.

>Sailor Moon shills
>Precure shills
>now recently we have this guy that shitposts any series that offends his delicate sensibilities

>>281919025
>>281919499
>>281919585
How is it not obvious that this stupid fucking troll is the same retard spamming dogshit SM threads in order to ruin them and kill any discussion around it? His modus operandi is always the same. Make a stupid thread, and samefag stupid questions and dumb answers to himself for DAYS.
He IS the same autist known as girly spammer btw. His goal has always been to ruin SM because he has a schizoid vendetta against it.
This fucking faggot hasn’t even watched the series. How is he still here? I blame the retarded newfags that engage him instead of clicking the right buttons and let mods do their job.

>>281919499
>>281919585
Sailor Moon is the poster child for what people think of when they think magical girl and why it has such a poor reputation among people not really into it. It's an incredibly repetitive good vs evil story and the mangaka is incapable of writing anything else. Even the bonus chapters that on the surface are I imagine meant to try to be more similar to the anime's slice of life stuff are terrible and full of the same shit. Naoko is a legitimately bad mangaka and it's a good thing she managed to strike it big with her one work, otherwise she likely would have faded into obscurity.

The anime (the original) manages to salvage it to some degree but it's working with an inherently poor base and can only do so much while staying close to the manga's general concept. Sailor Moon is one of those success stories that seems to make no sense looking back. And the genre is worse off because of it. Precure took up its mantle and continues being a blight on the genre to this day.

>>281920699
I'm not OP, anon. More than one person is capable of disliking Sailor Moon.

>>281920840
You are still a fucking idiot for engaging a demented schizoid that goes around ruining magical girl threads, whether you like SM or not.

>>281920897
The Precure spammer is worse and I doubt it's the same person as this.

>>281920699
I don't even hate Sailor Moon. I've watched the first 12 episodes of the Viz dub and enjoy it. I just heard that Crystal is considered garbage for the first 2 seasons before it gets good in the third season

>>281920979
I know you never watched it, you’ve admitted that much during your spergouts all across the internet. But it’s good you admit you have only ever watched just fucking 12 EPISODES so everyone sees what kind of massive dipshit you are for spamming garbage threads every single day ablut a series you know NOTHING about. Unironically do the world a favour and kill yourself.

>>281920840
>The anime (the original) manages to salvage it to some degree but it's working with an inherently poor base and can only do so much while staying close to the manga's general concept.
The 90’s anime couldn’t salvage it to begin with because the whole IP was proposed to Toei for the sole purpose of shilling toys for toddlers, it was and always has been toyetic slop.

Despite being poorly written the manga actually manages to maintain some modicum of dignity over the 90’s anime since at least it was aimed at an older audience and the manga side of the whole property wasn’t really focused on the toy shilling aspect as a result.

>>281921361
I haven't seen much of Sailor Moon, but just because something is toyetic and aimed at little kids doesn't automatically make it bad

>>281920370
The only person in Fruits Basket going on about father/daughter incest was an insane woman seeing shit that wasn't there and getting jealous of her own daughter for it. That's the opposite of shilling.

>>281919025
overly accessorized

>>281922665
>The only person in Fruits Basket going on about father/daughter incest was an insane woman seeing shit that wasn't there and getting jealous of her own daughter for it. That's the opposite of shilling.
No it isn’t, because why would the mangaka think up such an abnormal and degenerate scenario to even write about it in the first place? You never see such sort of plots in any Western media, yet you would believe pedophilia and incest is all the Japanese live and breathe by how much they keep inserting it into everything they write and draw. Just thinking up such a scenario and unironically this is a good idea as a plot point is automatically a form of shilling, because it’s normalizing the concept.

And even besides that the narrative validates the crazy mother’s incestuous delusions by having a character who serves as the author surrogate in that moment (Shigure), say something to the effect -“that it’s only natural and expected that she would be jealous of her husband having ANOTHER WOMAN in his life.”

Ergo implying that father/daughter incest is normal because it’s natural for a father to treat his daughter as “another woman” in his life, and you should just embrace and accept this sort of mindset and immediately sexualize the relationship between fathers and their daughters rather than questioning how much of a fucking weirdo you even have to be to even think up such a scenario.

>>281923099
>>281923099
>Just thinking up such a scenario and unironically this is a good idea as a plot point is automatically a form of shilling
*Just thinking up such a scenario and unironically THINKING this is a good idea as a plot point is automatically a form of shilling I meant.

Forgot to input the word “thinking” in that sentence.

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>>281923099
>literally just repeating the same nonsensical "arguments" every time despite how little they make any sense
>muh western media is wholesome and not degenerate
>muh japanese media is degenerate despite my continuing to post on /a/
>headcanon about who represents who or who is the mangaka's mouthpiece
>moral grandstanding while clutching your pearls

>>281923604
>muh western media is wholesome and not degenerate
Compared to Japanese media? Yes, when was the last time you ever saw any sort of father/incest type plot in any fictional Western piece the likes of say Fruits Basket, Sailor Moon, or Usagi Drop? Why does the West refuse to touch this subject with a 10 ft. pole yet Japan can’t seem to resist it?

>muh japanese media is degenerate despite my continuing to post on /a/
I’m hoping to change anime for the better, even then I’m mostly just a shonenchad who posts in /dbs/ because shonen is about the only genre that seems to lack said pedophilia and incest that tends to so proliferate anime.

>headcanon about who represents who or who is the mangaka's mouthpiece
Why is she writing about it or inserting it into the story in the first place?

>moral grandstanding while clutching your pearls
That’s all us normalfags with the pedo incest diddy ahhh shit though, you weebs who can tolerate such content are in the minority.

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>>281923988
>I'm hoping to change anime for the better
>shonenchad who posts in /dbs/
>diddy ahhh shit
You are terminal cancer. I politely ask you to leave.

>>281924087
>Eww
>You do realize this is incest as well?
Based translators.

>>281919025
aren't you seeing it? surely you must be blind

>>281920370
>>281919577
this isn't twitter or reddit to gain botlikes

>>281921361
i agree on Super S being toei's dumb decision to tone down the story to aim for children but before and after SS the story was growing WITH the viewers hence why themes were becoming appropriate to those reaching their teenage years

>>281925593
But SuperS isn't an original anime story

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>>281924087
>>281924652
>omg cardcaptor sakura is like my most favorite anime of all times because it has GAY relationship
>what do you mean student/teacher? no that doesn't exist, NO SHUT UP MY PROGRESSIVE WHOLESOME ANIME DOES NOT CONTAIN PEDY DIDDY AHH EPSTEIN CONTENT

>>281925647
but the manga handled it different from the anime, toei stepped in and made it more childish

>>281925593
>SuperS was dumbed down
SuperS was arguably the darkest and most sexual season of the 90’s anime considering the rape allegories it did with the Amazon Trio.

>>281925684
Who are you quoting?

What the fuck is going on in here?

>>281925770
That shit was so blatant I don't know how they got away with it.

>>281925874
magical girls happened
again

>>281925887
>That shit was so blatant I don't know how they got away with it.
Ikuhara. The answer is always Ikuhara.

>>281926070
Sure but how did he get away with it

>>281926216
>Sure but how did he get away with it?
“As long as it’s just “Dream Mirror” extraction from the chest and all the victims are fully clothed, we can make it look and sound like rape as much as possible and the kiddies will be none the wiser”

>>281926216
Back then directors had some control over their work. Now they're just mindless cogs of the machine

>>281919025
>Why was Sailor Moon Crystal worse than the Fruits Basket and Mew reboots?
Because Toei, anything Toei touches eventually turns to shit.

>>281920699
>His goal has always been to ruin SM because he has a schizoid vendetta against it.
Who wouldn’t considering it ruined the entire magical girl genre?

>>281926828
Except for Precure

>>281919025
So why is Sailor Moon Crystal worse than the Fruits Basket reboot?

>>281919577
I thought Fruits Basket and Sailor Moon were both very heart-warming and wholesome stories. I’m sorry someone has stolen all the love out of your life but I hope your day gets better.

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>>281919025
Crystal had way too much going on. The original was more muted and had a different feel. Original SM had the early 90's jank to it and was not true to the manga, lot of filler and OC type stuff. The colors for the series were mostly pink which Crystal eliminates. Of course the hand drawn animation and the stock footage was on point in the original. The ost was lighter and had better transformation music. The music was gentle when it needed to be and exciting when it needed to be. The opening is of course an iconic song, some might grow bored of it but it was solid. Crystal has Precure stock OST and it's loud and intrusive. Story wise the original had to fit in material and tried to make sense while occasionally referencing the manga. The original anime had a darker tone to it and pulled no punches. Crystal is more what the creator wanted but also feels abridged.

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>>281927506
Ironically Precure fits in it's own way despite being cut from the same cloth as SM. The annoying music in Crystal actually goes well with Precure. Precure is more action based and more out there in terms what Precure do. Precure is closer to DBS than it is to magical girls like SM.

>>281919346
*bonk*
Back to /pc/ with you

>>281929991
>>281919346
>mindless page 10 bump once more
Yet another proof that it is precurecucks necrobumping this retarded shit to ruin SM

>>281919025
Um?

>>281930239
This
>>281931747
Stupid fucking faggot

Sailor moon's artstyle is ugly as fuck

>>281928348
>The original anime had a darker tone to it and pulled no punches.
Ironically the manga is considered even darker yet Crystal censored alot from it despite billing itself as a manga-accurate reboot for the adult audience.

>>281927105
>it ruined the entire magical girl genre
That was Madoka

>>281933234
Madoka was inspired by and a direct rip-off the Stars arc from the Sailor Moon manga though. Madoka wouldn’t exist if Sailor Moon hadn’t done it first.

>>281928172
>I thought Fruits Basket and Sailor Moon were both very heart-warming and wholesome stories. I’m sorry someone has stolen all the love out of your life but I hope your day gets better.
Nothing that contains or even implies father/daughter incest could ever be wholesome.

I’m sorry you‘ve become so desensitized thanks to weebslop that you can overlook and even tolerate such content.

>>281932393
Which one
Manga, 90s anime and Crystal all have different artstyles

>>281933847
ALL OF THEM

>>281933986
The issue is your taste then

>>281919577
>>281923099
>>281923988
>>281933825
>doesn’t like kino daughterwife grooming
>gets triggered by the purest form of love
Go back.

>>281919025
What made the old anime good was being part parody of the source made by men, part original made only with quality in mind. Crystal tried to just adapt the manga, and it fell flat. That said, Takeuchi writes good girls and the same team animating another shoujo manga probably would not have made something that blew up like Sailor Moon.

>>281919025
Because the original anime was one of the most influential series of all time that turned bargain bin shoujo mangatrash into something profoundly unique and memorable and literally injected anime as a concept into the collective unconscious of the world.
How the fuck is some generic animated-in-india digitalslop going to compete with that? Fuck off.

>>281934610
Crystal was worse than that. It gutted the humor entirely. Simple gags from the original came across as horrifying child abuse in the remake. Soul versus Soulless doesn't even begin to describe it.

>>281925593
>>281925770
All the seasons in the 90’s anime had dark shit in it.

First season had grooming (Nephrite/Naru) and killed off everyone in that finale

2nd season was the incest season.

3rd season was all about the “trolley dilemma.”

4th season had date rape allegories as was already mentioned.

And the 5th and last season was a whole metaphor about being suicidal and what happens when you burn out and let the dark thoughts get to you.

>>281933825
It's a traditional family structure in Japan. They see it as wholesome. You don't seem to appreciate what kinds of difference are meant by culture.

>>281925874
Bots and tards and that phase of the moon again.

>>281934637
>Because the original anime was one of the most influential series of all time that turned bargain bin shoujo mangatrash into something profoundly unique and memorable and literally injected anime as a concept into the collective unconscious of the world.
The 90’s anime was commercialized toy shilling slop for toddlers, much like its modern-day successor Precure.

Also I don’t think you’re giving the manga nearly enough credit for what it did, it wasn’t just any ordinary generic shoujoslop, but the Sailor Moon manga was basically both the first shoujo manga to also incorporate shonen elements so as to also appeal to boys (larger emphasis on combat/powerlevelfagging, as well as yuri fanservice) as well as to deconstruct the very thing it was constructing and codifying in the first place.

That doesn’t make it a good thing mind, after all it was the SM manga rather than the anime that Madoka took direct influence from.

>>281934675
In the manga all the senshi but Moon were mind raped, and she had to kill them herself with her own hands.

>>281934698
>It's a traditional family structure in Japan. They see it as wholesome.
Is it seriously considered normal over there for a mother to compete with her daughter for the father’s affections and for the daughter to be looked at as a little wife figure? Explains their media I guess, no wonder Japan is the only developed country on the U.N.’s watchdog list.

>You don't seem to appreciate what kinds of difference are meant by culture.
If those differences result in glorifying and normalizing pedophilia and incest, then yes that so-called “culture” is objectively bad and requires superior Western colonization correction.

I’m sorry the libs lied to you but moral relativity is not a thing and all cultures are not in fact created equal.

>>281934826
I can eat glass. It won't hurt me.

>>281934852
>I can eat glass. It won't hurt me.
?

>>281934987
>it's the usual boomer lusting for their daughters because they were too cowards to accept the previous rules of marrying a young woman
Sailor Moon, Fruits Basket, and Usagi Drop were all written by women…

Japanese women granted, who are hardly normal compared to Western women, but still.

>>281935005
Because they were raised in that environment

>>281935005
One was written for kids, one was written for teens, and one was written to torture your ovaries until you are compelled to breed.

>>281935052
>One was written for kids
Father/daughter incest isn’t an appropriate subject matter for anyone let alone kids.

>>281935052
>One was written for kids, one was written for teens, and one was written to torture your ovaries until you are compelled to breed.
Both Fruits Basket and the Sailor Moon manga were written for teens (and the manga was what started the Chibiusa/Mamoru thing for once rather than that being an addition by Ikuhara).

The manga was always targeted at that older teen audience, it was the 90’s anime that was for kids, hence why the incest shit with Chibiusa is severely toned down in the anime.

>>281919025
It was better than the original, no filler bullshit.

>>281935359
The filler is the good part. Crystal is the best proof you can get that plotfagging isn't always better.

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>>281919025
Because the source material was written by a yuritroon pandering hack and had no fujobait.

>>281920979
>I've watched the first 12 episodes of the Viz dub
Why? Of all ways to experience Sailor Moon, you choose to specifically watch the take of it with the least character of the lot, which fucks up the whole point of the series and what makes it interesting. Like, no you're not watching it in Japanese, you're not reading the manga, you're not even watching the bloody DiC dub or one of the crazy live action reinterpritations, but a 'modernized' second hand riff off the other dubs that's barely even accurate to the original writing.

>>281937333
>that's barely even accurate to the original writing
How is the Viz dub not accurate?

I, for one, believe that fighting magical girls are the ultimate form of anime.
Half CGDCT, half cool battles with flashy powers, sometimes cute songs if it's idol-themed, what more could you possibly ask for.

>>281938869
>Half CGDCT
Your kind is what ruined the genre by turning it into yuri pandering moe slop.

>>281940878
That's not what CGDCT means

It only had two movies of Chibi-Usa being a horse kisser instead of a whole season.

>>281941194
Thank god, but still two movies too many

>>281919346
ugly hairstyle

Play the SMS fighting game also another story

>>281941194
Those two movies were technically one season just split into half cause they ran out of budget.

>>281934675
>2nd season was the incest season.
Doesn’t Chibiusa crush on Mamoru for the entire series?

>>281928471
>Precure can fly into battle
>Sailor Moon has to take the bus or ride a bike
SM was so funny.

>>281943621
The senshis can literally teleport if they join their powers together, but yeah.

>>281934826
Look up as to WHY animals always force the boys out of the pack but never the girls when they come of age.

>>281943680
>Look up as to WHY animals always force the boys out of the pack but never the girls when they come of age.
…What are you trying to imply here anon?

>>281938718
Just didn't translate some of the lame jokes. Including ones about boobs. Heresy.

>>281943680
>Look up as to WHY animals always force the boys out of the pack but never the girls when they come of age.
Incest and pedophilia aren’t even normal in the animal kingdom, I’m sorry that anime lied to you.

>original anime
Dropped around SuperS and *never* picked back up.
>reboot
Watched all the seasons and movies.

>>281945339
>Dropped around SuperS and *never* picked back up.
Understandable, but I think it's still worth to watch Stars for the ending.

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>the only non-faithful adaptations sourcetards doesn't shit on are from their childood years

>>281944938
>Just didn't translate some of the lame jokes. Including ones about boobs.
It also censored the Inners reacting negatively to Makoto’s crush on Haruka during that one episode, as well as changing one line in the R movie when they’re gossiping over the possibility of Mamoru being bi with Minako calling Ami a pervert for suggesting to that to now saying “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

Same censorship shit as the old dub only on the left side of the coin.

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>>281919025
>Sailor Moon

Good for only one thing.

>>281934668
>Crystal was worse than that. It gutted the humor entirely.
You mean the humor from the manga or the 90’s anime?

>>281919025
Because it tried to be closer to the manga and everyone with a brain knows that the old anime was why Sailor Moon was any good. Franchise was hard carried by it.

Then you also had them make changes and additions that amounted to nothing. Letting the Shitennou live longer was a cool idea that was wasted because they didn't actually do anything with them.

>>281949329
>Because it tried to be closer to the manga and everyone with a brain knows that the old anime was why Sailor Moon was any good. Franchise was hard carried by it.
Manga was darker than the 90’s anime and technically deconstructed the genre long before Madoka, meanwhile the 90’s anime was a toy-shilling vehicle for preschoolers with literal kigs and everything.

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Can it be topped?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obfP1lxjcXY

>>281950479
Certainly not by the Stars OP

>>281919025
In addition to the laziness of production, the manga is complete garbage and everything everyone liked about Sailor Moon came from the anime so trying to be closer to the manga meant jettisoning most of the stuff people actually liked.

>>281951829
>everything everyone liked about Sailor Moon came from the anime so trying to be closer to the manga
Except the deconstruction element, which Madoka actually took from the manga rather than the anime.

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How do you make Crystal better?

>>281952170
Delete it.

>>281919025
I want to know what makes the Fruits Basket reboot better than Sailor Moon Crystal

>>281952402
>I want to know what makes the Fruits Basket reboot better than Sailor Moon Crystal
It wasn’t done by Toei and didn’t change that much from it’s manga source compared to Crystal doing stupid shit like doubling down on the Senshi/Shittenou shipping.

>>281952559
Just because it's Toei doesn't make it bad. Lots of people loved Go Princess Precure and that was around the same time as Sailor Moon Crystal

>>281952170
>How do you make Crystal better?
Give it to another studio that’s not Toei

>>281952784
>Just because it's Toei doesn't make it bad. Lots of people loved Go Princess Precure and that was around the same time as Sailor Moon Crystal
Yeah because obviously they were focusing all their efforts and budget on GoPri and Crystal suffered as a result, no way were they going to put any money towards an IP that has a meddling mangaka and would be directly competing with their own homegrown cashcow

>>281919025
I heard Toei also rushed the animators on Crystal

>>281952402
>I want to know what makes the Fruits Basket reboot better than Sailor Moon Crystal
Is it?

>>281930239
I don't care about the thread, I just fucking hate Milky Rose.

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>>281952170
>How do you make Crystal better?
- Fix the laughably bad animation in the first two seasons, pic-related should not have been allowed to get anywhere past the broadcasting stage, it’s just sad.

- Do what you advertised and actually FOLLOW the manga if you’re not gonna do extra filler episodes to expand shit (which the manga honestly does need), no trying to shove in original subplots like the Inners/Shittenou shit if you don’t actually have enough episodes to properly develop and build that shit up, also the first two seasons deleted way too many panels from the manga for my lacking and even got rid of the manga’s own sense of humor all in the name of trying to be “mature”, stop that. (At least they finally learned their lesson here come season 3 and put all the gags back in)

- No censored bullshit such as having the sword stab Beryl’s necklace instead of her gut, or removing Demande strangling a kid to a corpse, if Crystal was really meant to be aimed at an adult audience who grew up with the franchise than why was it treating us with kid gloves?

- Speaking of which, give Venus her Beryl kill that she got in the manga, changing it to Usagi and making it a “team effort” did Venus so goddamn dirty!

>No making the Inners a hivemind and have them automatically finishing each other’s sentences, this wasn’t in the manga.

- Restore Rei’s original abrasive personality from the manga and don’t tone her down.

- Eternal should’ve been a full 13 episode season like the 3rd movie rather than being split up into 2 movies, it fucked the pacing and transition of the first part of the Dream arc.

That’s about it, my and I think most people’s problem in general with Crystal was mainly how they did the first two arcs, arcs 3-5 were done at an acceptable level for a purely manga-accurate remake more or less, unfortunately those two first arcs managed to give off a horrible first impression and scared the fanbase off.

>>281954853
lmao is that gif actually real?

>>281921361
Explain Kamen Rider Ryuki being considered a masterpiece that inspired multiple works.

>>281953165
They did, TOEI has been a shadow of their former self past 20 years

Crystal got fucked over for 3d transformations and then to top it off they went with generic music which then later in the seasons ended up becoming almost like somebody tried to rip off the old sailor moon music.
The janky animation was just awful the transformations and music being one of the top most things for most people that they remember from the old series to have them not be memorable or something that you can think about and hum for years down the line is really what screwed over the entire series.
It's almost like a knock off sailor Moon that they made. I don't know what went wrong the directors or the budget but somebody there either didn't have a passion project for sailor Moon and we're just doing it for money or something just got fucked up in the pipeline that they had to just pump it out

Some of the best transformations were from the original series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwOKM-PBEg

>>281954853
so basically let Netflix take the wheel. Most of what you described is not happening with most anime studios, not on their own anyways.

>>281952170
No matter what it had done, it would never have been better than the 90s anime.

>>281919025
How good were the Fruits Basket reboot and the Mew Mew reboot?

>>281957744
Mew Mew reboot was successful enough to get hot cosplays, so I'd say that's a smash hit.
Fruits Basket just exists.

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>>281957744
I don't know how financially successful it was (though it managed to get 63 episodes so either it was successful enough or someone was fine with spending money without much return just to animate it entirely) but it got pretty high acclaim in most places, especially the final season of it. It's not really the kind of series that requires significantly high quality animation (though I do think some parts of it were pretty high quality) but it wasn't poor to the extent that people spent time pointing it out like with Sailor Moon Crystal.

>>281957964
I'm pretty sure they ordered 63 episodes from the start, but split it into 3 seasons

>>281957203
shorts, I'm sorry
They fucked up so badly with the transformations they ended up redoing the original ones for the latter half
https://youtube.com/shorts/p-uxCHnZMSw?si=nNBjX1FQW4msNlZu

>>281957744
I watched the Fruits Basket remake/boot last year and I enjoyed it a lot. Sure the art style didn't quite match the manga like old show did but this time they adapted all of it and it was great.
Pacing, animation, music, all of it.

>>281952170
give it a better animation studio other than Toei in the mid 10s
turn the last 2 movies into actual TV seasons instead. the fast pace took me out of them despite the animation being upgraded. needed a bit more time with the characters, which was why season 3 of Crystal was worthwhile.

>>281959482
Took me awhile to get used to the anime's art style too. But it's weird looking back at some parts of the manga with its art style after getting used to the anime's.

>>281919025
Why is this taking place in the 21st century?

>>281960048
Why do people think every anime and manga creator cares about what time period something takes place in and doesn't think they always mean for it to be "today"? This is so common too that you'd think people would have gotten used to it by now.

>>281960106
Cause dates and timeline is important.

>>281919577
Shit like this would get you a permanent ban not even ten years ago, this dogshit board is literally the bottom of the barrel place to talk about anime, how fucking embarrassing.

>>281960261
Obviously not to the Japanese because so many of them have no problem with keeping their series modern. Having cell phones can maybe cause issues if you think about them too much but it always seems people just want stories to always be in the past they're so attached to.

>>281960703
>always be in the past they're so attached to.
That's a problem why?

>>281960751
Because it's just garden variety old good new bad mentality that makes you look like a retard. It's especially funny when people complain about it, only to go on to say the reason they dislike series keeping up with the times is because they hate seeing characters with smartphones and tablets.

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She won

>>281960046
Yeah it was like two different worlds since they are from different time periods after all. One as peak of shoujo and one is just, quite basic modern anime as it is.

>>281952170
Just make it a sequel to the 90s anime in the same style and all the original VAs

new Fruits basket was great, beside the soulless artstyle

>>281919025
Because it was a faithful adaptation of the manga & the manga was always meant to just be a rough draft & serve as promotional material for the anime.

>>281949329
>Letting the Shitennou live longer was a cool idea that was wasted because they didn't actually do anything with them.
And they paired them with the Inners instead of the superior ship, Kunzite and Zoisite with each other purely because that yuritard hag Naoko hates fujos and wants to spite us.

>>281952170
>How do you make Crystal better?
Bring back fujo god Ikuhara.

Restore all the fujobait from the original anime, including bringing back Fiore as a character and shipping him with Mamoru.

Get rid of the yuritroonery like having Usagi de-facto marry her entire Senshi harem at the end, Uranus/Moon kiss, and loli Chibiusa/Hotaru (aka proto Madoka/Homura) shipping

More focus on the male characters/villains like the 90’s anime did

>>281963100
>Get rid of the yuritroonery like having Usagi de-facto marry her entire Senshi harem at the end
That never happened. That's just yurifags demented headcanon.
But yeah, Ikuhara should make a SeraMyu musical about the R movie and have Mamocuck fucked in the ass by Fiore just to piss Naoko.

>>281963100
>Get rid of the yuritroonery
Ikuhara would never do that.

>>281919025
Toei didn't give the show the time, budget, and experienced staff the show really needed. The epitome of the "whatever people will watch it anyway" type complacency that has gotten them knocked off as the first choice for new manga adaptations.

>>281963211
>That never happened. That's just yurifags demented headcanon.
Why are they all wearing wedding dresses during the ending and why have all the Senshi taken a vow of chastity toward Serenity then?

>>281963853
They are dressed as bridesmaids, not brides. Bridesmaids dresses are similar to the bride but less ornamented. It's customary in Asia to do so to ward off evil spirits. And the vow of chastity means being a Senshi always first, not whatever headcanon demented shippers try to shove.

>>281919025
Debatable, Toei was shit at the time with this and Dragon Ball Super. That infamous shot of Goku fighting Beerus was Toei banking on nostalgia for the two IP's. Thankfully both got better when they realized they had to put work into them.

The other part was I think a lot of non-fans were expecting it to be like the 90's anime and bailed when it wasn't like that.

>>281952402
>I want to know what makes the Fruits Basket reboot better than Sailor Moon Crystal
It’s not, they’re both father/daughter incest shilling slop. Both first animes were better because both made the right decision not to follow the degenerate source material and remove/censor the father/daughter incest content altogether.

>>281957964
>>281959482
>>281962596
>Actually liking Fruits Basket
How were you not immediately put off once they revealed that retarded twist about the main antagonist being raised as a reverse trap purely because her mother was jealous and suspicious of daughter’s relationships with their fathers? Weebs are so desensitized that such weirdo writing that would automatically raise at least an eyebrow in any normal person watching/reading just completely rolls off their back, amazing…

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>>281923099
>why would the mangaka think up such an abnormal and degenerate scenario
Gee, anon, I don't know, why would an author write about a serial murderer?
Such things have been presented in Western media.

Now, I have never seen fruit baskets, but I bet that father and daughter don't have that kind of relationship, and everybody hates the mother, and think that she's crazy and unreasonable.

>>281920840
Sailor Moon is popular because it aired on Toonami. Straight-up. It got the after-school slot in the United States, which ia why it's basically ubiquitous as the emblem for "magical girl show."
Probably didn't help that CCS (the superior 90's magical girl, and I say this as someone who LIKES Sailor Moon) got butchered by the American adaptation.

>>281964526
Funnily enough I liked CCS too but I would say Sailor Moon had the highest highs and lowest lows. So it's a matter of whether you prefer consistency or the peaks.

>>281964367
>compares murder to incest and pedo shit
They are not the same weeb-kun.

>>281964838
I would say thinking about killing people is a little worse than getting your dick wet, but mutt website so nevermind that.

>>281952170
>How do you make Crystal better?
Remove that disgusting Chibi-Usa Electra Complex and her kissing her own fucking father as Black Lady, nobody wants to see that shit!!!

>>281965393
>I would say thinking about killing people is a little worse than getting your dick wet
WHO are you thinking of getting your dick wet to?

Trying way too hard

>>281919025
Shit designs and unbelievable shit animation for a start. Probably was done by interns in spare time with budget of a few discount obento.

>>281965995
You mean artstyle? There aren't original designs in Crystals afaik

>>281965995
>shit designs
It was supposed to be following Naoko’s style from the manga

>>281964317
Shoo shoo normalfag

>>281950479
Mirakuru Romansu is too kino to be topped.

>>281951396
The Stars OP is the only one that comes close.

>>281919025
It's as if bring accurate to the original character artstyle was a bad idea

bampu

>>281966887
>Shoo shoo normalfag
/dbs/ is a thing, normalfag board now bitch!

>>281919025
wedk

>>281966618
>>281967542

Funny thing is that it looks nothing like the manga.

>>281970186
Also still cuts out the gore and sex.

>>281970240
>Also still cuts out the gore and sex.
Why did they do this if the manga was already originally meant for an older audience than the 90’s anime? Even Crystal advertised itself as being for adult Millenials, so what was even the fucking point of the censorship?

>>281970580
It's just a merch ad.

>>281952170
Toei could've simply adapted the side-stories alongside the main, and then there would've been 84 eps instead of the original 60. Or simply used AI to remaster the old anime eps and cut the fillers. Total? 99 eps.
Captcha: 8MAAM

>>281970700
>It's just a merch ad.
So exactly like the 90’s anime then?

>>281971137
That was a comic ad. Sailor Moon is like early 90s Star Wars level merch IP now.

>>281970700
>>281971326
Try tubi

>>281961345
>”won”
Depends which version, Manga definitely didn’t win considering Cosmos future exists, but even in the 90’s anime she has to deal with giving birth to a daughter who wants to cuck her and a useless pedo who’s only with her out of destiny obligation.

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>>281964093
Those are clearly wedding dresses. Haruka is wearing a fucking crown. As for their vows, given that her own daughter tried to cuck her and the villains were always stealing her boyfriend away, Serena took precautions.

>>281964317
>>281964838
How the fuck didn't you get that Ren (Yes, I had to go and look up the characters) is screwed in the head, bitch threaten to ABORT Akito if her husband didn't agree to raise her as male.
Her daughter hadn't even been born yet, and the psycho was already accusing Akito of incest.

Incest and pedophilia were not celebrated in Fruit Baskets; that was Marmalade Boy.
And writing about said themes isn't necessarily propaganda in favor of it.

>>281973656
>Incest and pedophilia were not celebrated in Fruit Baskets; that was Marmalade Boy.
Pedophilia yes, incest no. Miki and Yuu aren’t actually related in Marmalade Boy.

>And writing about said themes isn't necessarily propaganda in favor of it.
But why are Japs even thinking of such topics to be writing about them in the first place hmm? Whether it’s Sailor Moon, Fruits Basket, Usagi Drop or any other plethora of titles such as Vampire Knight, Kodocha, Shugo Chara, Cardcaptor Sakura, the aforementioned Marmalade Boy, it seems like there’s no shortage of the themes of incest (especially father/daughter) and pedophilia that just so happen to “coincidentally” show up in any anime and manga. Why is that? And how come the West doesn’t have this same problem when they’re writing their media?

>>281974194
There's all kinds of messed up stuff in all cultures' media. Your criticism is fundamentally stupid and nonsensical, lacking in any actual knowledge of countries' media.

>>281974398
>There's all kinds of messed up stuff in all cultures' media.
Sure, and none of them will ever be as bad as pedophilia and incest.

>Your criticism is fundamentally stupid and nonsensical, lacking in any actual knowledge of countries' media.
And yet I’m far from the only one, or tell me why Texas has now banned anime and payment processing servers have also banned anime games from Steam?

>>281974452
There is nothing wrong with incest. Especially if there's no child that comes from it. I have never understood why people are so viscerally against that. And it's been common in the western world for ages. The "pedophilia" in anime and manga is largely post-pubescent characters or even characters older than 18 that just pook young, which is exactly the kind of thing the payment processor stuff is going after.

And is your argument really "reactionary prudish retards in the US are banning this thing, and so it's objectionably bad"?

>>281974772
>There is nothing wrong with incest. I have never understood why people are so viscerally against that.
This is your brain on anime.

>And is your argument really "reactionary prudish retards in the US are banning this thing, and so it's objectionably bad"?
You’re proving the boomers were right about anime all along considering you’re unironically defending incest right now like the brainwashed weeb you are.

Cardcaptor Sakura?

>>281974772
>There is nothing wrong with incest
LMAO even SM shows how fucked up in the head Chibiusa is

>>281974965
Pretty Cure? Precure?

>>281974889
>This is your brain on anime
Not an argument. And so you are basing your entire worldview on what the current US political party dislikes. I don't know how many strikes you're up to now but it's a lot.

>>281975076
No that's another thread.

>>281975037
>I base my moral compass on a manga for middle school girls
And if it's shown in a bad light, why is the other anon so triggered?

>>281975508
Ah yes, BSSM is the only artwork ever to show that incest is fucked up, it's not like it's one of the most universal taboos... jesus h. christ the shit one has to read... the complete fucking state... and no, I'm not the anon you are arguing with

>>281964367
>why would an author write about a serial murderer?
With this question, I'm reminded of the live-action

>>281975712
Still no arguments, still didn't answer why the other anon is triggered if incest is painted in a bad light. You and the other guy clearly know what incest is too, so the idea that a writer shouldn't even be thinking about it is pretty stupid.

>>281975890
>more goalpost moving
yeah I accept your concession

Considering we're talking about Shojo remakes I was wondering is the Rose Of Versailles remake good? Just curious as i made an English translation of french anime dubs back in the day & provided them with English subtitles to local schools to use to help teach French.

>>281975924
>more goalpost moving
Where? You claim Sailor Moon paints incest in a bad light, and yet the other guy you're white knighting for seems to believe the opposite. It doesn't matter to me either way because Sailor Moon is shit and incest in media doesn't bother me.

>>281975076
Cutie Honey?

>>281974965
Corrector Yui?

The manga actually has some really bad way too fast pacing so adapting it faithfully means things are also going way too fast.

>>281976190
Actually I'm watching that. It keeps getting gooder somehow.

>muh incest bad and triggering!
Jfc, I thought summer was already over? Where are all these tourists coming from?

>>281976002
>incest in media doesn't bother me.
Because you’re a desensitized weeb.

>>281976735
Do you have any argument?

>>281976902
Anything containing incest or pedophilia no matter if it’s presented in a bad light or not needs to be either banned or censored, localizers have the right idea.

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>>281974194
When Yuu and Miki thought they were half-siblings, they decided to keep going.


Japan isn't the only country doing that stuff, but it certainly has a huge market for it. Although their consumers are looked down by the rest of the country.

The Hayes code is a big reason, such themes are not prominent in American media.

>>281975722
Which live action, the SM tv show?

>>281976976
>please, daddy government, censor everything I don't like

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>>281919025
>Brought to you by the current makers of Dragon Ball

>>281976996
>The Hayes code is a big reason, such themes are not prominent in American media.
And they had the right idea all along, based Hayes and based America, god bless this country for still continuing to uphold civilized values!

>>281919025
>"Manga accurate"
>it's actually worse than both the manga and 90s anime

>>281919346
Pretty bitch

>>281952170
Madhouse

>>281977029
>”please daddy government let the literal Soddom and Gemorrah degenerate East continue to corrupt and groom our youth into pedo trannies with their pedo incest diddy shit ahhhh media!”

>>281963100
>fujoshit hate yurikino
Interesting

>>281977244
>please daddy government let the [Mythology]
Did you believe the Emperor Nero fanfic too?

>>281977248
>fujoshit hate yurikino
Because the yuritards hate us fujos, look at how they treat us such as Naoko. She refuses to even acknowledge the existence of gay men and actively erased them in the manga wherever she saw Ikuhara inserting them into the 90’s anime, the bitch is also responsible for trying to get her husband to retcon cute and canon GonxKillua. Meanwhile even the CLAMP fujos aren’t so spiteful against /u/fags as to outright deny the existence of lesbians in their series, they just cuck them instead.

>>281976996
>Which live action, the SM tv show?
Indeed. It sickens me.

>>281977312
>Emperor Nero fanfic
The what?

>>281978129
>It sickens me.
Why? PGSM is actually the best written version of Sailor Moon believe it or not.

>>281938718
Besides what's already mentioned about "woke" censorship (removing lines from the original that aren't pro-gay) there's also just a lot of general rewriting/adding/jokes/sometimes lines where it seems the translators misinterpreted the intent of a line and so based the translated line on their own misinterpretation. It's pretty apparent if you watch a dub clip next to a subbed clip (ideally not a Viz subbed clip because the same people who did the sub seem to have tried to make it appear closer than it really is to the dub) or have some knowledge of what's actually being said in Japanese. There's also kind of a desire like half the time to make the show come off as edgier than it was and so some episodes have added swearing, like Usagi just saying a villain's name is replaced by her calling him a "bastard" etc.

Also it's not that important, but they get some enemy names wrong and it's kind of baffling because many of them are straight-up puns on English words that are relevant to the plot of the episode.

Also as an Usagifag I'd argue Usagi's portrayal specifically has a lot less range and subtlety than in the original. The VA IS capable of getting her voice as high and screechy as OG Japanese Usagi can be, they can actually sound really close at the best of times, but it's like the performance in general fails to realize that Usagi's original acting involves much more than that. Usagi's voice can get a lot lower or weirder depending on the mood of a scene but the dub performance is just constantly in High-Pitched Kawaii Mode at all times past the earliest episodes, where she sounds a little more like a real person in English and is even capable of going low

>>281979588
I do like her as Mikan in Danganronpa though

>>281979588
>"woke" censorship
Is Black Lady still Black Lady or is she back to being “Wicked Lady” in the Viz dub just like DIC did it?

>>281980266
No she's still Black Lady. Generally the names of the major characters were all kept the same or translated in a reasonable enough way (Fish Eye being called Fish's Eye in the dub is one they specifically fucked up but I guess that's still close enough). Though they don't use honorifics except for some of the later Crystal movies, which is when Takeuchi began mandating them in all dubs, so the way characters address each other can be slightly different too compared to Japanese.

Another aspect of the censorship I forgot to mention is the removal of lines that can be taken as portraying women badly. I don't mean shit like Jadeite being sexist, but like Usagi saying something like "how can she make a delicate girl like me stand in the hall" in the first episode is completely changed to like "it's not my fault all the other kids get here earlier." Like many lines that imply girls "have" to be or act a certain way according to '90s Japan standards are changed to more neutral things unless it's specifically a sexist pig saying it as a prelude to getting beaten up. This aspect's a little harder to call out because it probably happens a lot in both overt and subtle ways within the writing of a typical dub episode.

>>281980505
>>281979588
Also I get how some of those lines wouldn't fly today if Sailor Moon were a modern show, but I just think they should've translated them accurately even if it would've pissed people off because the series' original dubs censored a lot and deliberately went into borderline gag dub territory at times. Like you'd think a redub making a point of being completely uncensored (at least visually) would go a little harder re: representing the Japanese dialogue fairly and that's maybe my main issue with its translation.

>>281980505
>No she's still Black Lady.
I’m honestly surprised considering all the woke censorship changes you laid out that they did regarding even anything that could be considered sexist and homophobic, you would think then that Black Lady’s “problematic” title would be one of the first things to go then.

>>281980505
>Fish-Eye
Speaking of them, did the Viz dub turn them into a tranny cause the whole trap trope they played up would be too non-PC?

>>281981940
I think they just made them a gay male, same as Zoisite. The dub was done slightly before the whole trend of treating any gender nonconforming/crossdressing character as trans really took off.

They also possibly changed something about him being into a young boy as him just wanting to be his big brother or something similar, like to avoid the "gay as sexual predator" stereotype

>>281982473
>the old dub censored all the gay
>didn’t censor the pedophilia and grooming like said Fish Eye episode
What did they mean by this?

>>281983107
The groomer rhetoric from conservatives at the LGBTQ community was always just projection, look at who was on the Epstein List.

Fundamentalist Christians are Protestantism's worst product EVER.

These are the same idiots who wanted Pokemon banned, and are the usual suspects for anti-Anime sentiments.

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>They do their nails but you never see them because gloves
Why though?

>>281981940
>them

Its one person

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I'm halfway through Sailor Moon S, and Minako is slowly starting to become my favorite. She's such a stupidly fun character, and the way she bounces with Usagi makes for some of the best comedic scenes in this season.

>>281980505
Maybe you need to stop treating Japanese children cartoon as being reflective of real life. The Japanese sure don't have the stupid conversation westernoids have about Sailor Moon.

>>281986309
You forgot there are ESL that are incorrectly using the English language and think you can just obliterate the distinction between plural and singular and think you can make sense of it. Seriously, try to say that shit in real life, its confusing and stupid, there is a reason call a person they only exists online.

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>>281986416
btw, given the event with the Grail in Episode 111, I'm guessing Chibiusa will play a big role in the story, but so far she has been used so sporadically that in some episodes I completely forgot she returned (also, the fact that her code name is Sailor Chibi Moon is so dumb that I love it)

>>281986416
That scene was my favorite Minako moment
Pure gold

>>281986421
>ESL claiming singular they hasn't existed for a long time
The cherry on top of this shitty thread.

>>281986506
Oh don't worry you will see a lot of her in season 4

>>281986542
No it doesn't, and I once heard someone used it in real life and it became really obvious why the fuck NOBODY in real life uses singular they. It literally is UNWORKABLE in real life situation, it gets fucking confusing. It only works on online boards where you can post a single message regarding an obvious singular subject as "they", because if you try to use it in real life conversation, you will immediately need to use both singular and plural, and using they to refer to one person becomes ridiculous confusing, that the person speaking will suddenly need to add a bunch of extra sentences to add context, which defeats the purposes of pronons.

In fact, hearing it in real life is so cringe, its easy to see why, even though people were (incorrectly) using they because the English language, no one used it that way.

>>281986421
>Maybe you need to stop treating Japanese children cartoon as being reflective of real life

I'm not.

If anything I was trying to say that Viz being concerned that other people would feel that way is the reason why so much dialogue in that dub got changed from the original. Like I'm not arguing in favor of the Viz dub here; my position is that they should've translated it accurately wherever possible (obviously certain jokes/puns/niche cultural references can't always translate) even if modern English-speaking viewers might disagree with the sentiments behind the lines.

>>281986623
Yeah singular they is genuinely confusing when trying to read it in the context of fiction. It's the kind of thing that can work for a sentence or two as you said, but when used extensively it becomes difficult to tell who's being referred to and makes certain lines confusing.

I know people meme on pronouns like xe/xer/etc., but I've realized I'd prefer that as a gender-neutral pronoun over "they" because at least then it's still 100% clear it's only referring to a single person.

>>281919025
Is the 90s Sailor Moon anime only considered better than the 2002 Mew Mew anime because its a lot longer and more popular or is it genuinely better?

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>>281987503
SM from the 90's was just fun with some parts being dark and serious. It was just more balanced. The tonal shits compliment each other.

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>thread discussing why SM Crystals is a bigger dogshit compared to other dogshits

>mentions why it was targeted to younger audience at the cost of the original mature story plot being butchered to pieces just to cater to them

lets not beat around the bush, we all know what genre the series was meant to belong to

>>281987647
Man it's crazy to think there are people who've watched the entire show with this shitty ass filter

>ctrl f Toei
Kudos to anons correctly identifying the root cause. Fie on all trying to use Precure as a deflection, it's not an excuse. They give proper attention to their own IPs and goof on their licenses.

>>281987854
Ah yes what we were lacking in a dogshit thread... a low test incel ryonacuck... unironically kill yourself

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>>281988225
The anime is so silly.

>>281988225
That a woman

>>281987854
The origin of black lady

>>281984603
Hence Saint Seiya get KotZ naming

>>281925684
I hate trannysition

>>281934154
Not into degenerate

>>281919025
People think it's supposed to replace the 90s anime for whatever reason. When they're two completely different things. I enjoyed both

>>281991125
People always do this for these new adaptations. They act like the original is being erased. It's even telling when they refer to them as "remakes" even while holding up the original as being good specifically because it's so different from what the new one is trying to do.

>>281986259
I remember someone explaining this once. I think it was just to sell merch(nail products)?

>>281986506
I love when she says her name. Sailor CHIBI Moon! She's a fun gag(though important) character in the 90s anime

>>281991277
I watched the 90s anime and loved it. I heard Crystal was supposed to be the raw original story, so I wanted to see what got changed. I found it entertaining. Not better, but worth the watch for sure

>>281991655
Read the manga, Crystal butchered it.

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>>281977131
I dare you to say that on /tv/ and on /co/. It infantilized the media; the only good thing about it was the creativity to get away with risqué stuff.

>>281986416
Minako pretending to be Moon in S was such a 10/10.
But yeah, wait until you see what bullishit she comes up with in SuperS.

>>281987503
>Is the 90s Sailor Moon anime only considered better than the 2002 Mew Mew anime because its a lot longer and more popular or is it genuinely better?
Mew Mew was better, simply because it wasn’t made by Toei solely to toy shill to preschoolers. The only thing 90’s Sailor Moon has over it is the fact it had some of the best in the industry and genuine auteurs such as Ikuhara and Junichi Sato working on it, I’m afraid their talent was wasted however.

>>281919025
Why are you still forcing this meme? I understand faggots not liking Season 1 due to artstyle, but everything from Death Busters onwards is pretty kino and arguably better paced than the 90s anime

>>281934779
>>281934675
the shock value and appearance of maturity is one of the worst aspects of SM manga. I far prefer fan works to the original story just because it can handle complex subject matter without needing to degrade the characters too much or talk down to them. The anime at least knew it was silly half the time, but the characters are so empty and bland of anything like meaningful arcs that it's borderline criminal how little story was actually present in any given episode.

>>281984603
>Those who are anti-anime are all just Fundamentalist Christians
Not true, most non-religious normies also criticize anime, precisely because it just can’t help constantly jumpscaring the audience with pedo and incest shit like has been described in this thread.

>>281994662
>It infantilized the media
I’m no puritan, I’m fine with any manner of sex or sexual subject matters, even fanservice being depicted. But pedo shit and incest is going a step too far, and if the Hayes Code is what’s keeping those topics away from Western Media than so be it.

>some spreg really called Sailor Moon's second dub woke and badly localized
We're really turning into /v/, wow

>>281996133
>I'm okay with censorship!
>I'm not a puritan though
you literally are
>but
the people in charge of what you watch or see hate you and want you to die, giving them control of anything makes you an enemy of humanity. if you don't want your kids to see shit then dont show them shit
>but they will anyway
be a better parent you fucking lazy buckpassing latchkey jigaboo

>>281981940
>>281983107
they made fish-eye a chick in the original dub, dipshit

>>281996195
>if you don't want your kids to see shit then dont show them shit
I don’t want to see that shit though, which is difficult because Japan constantly bombards you with pedophilia and incest in it’s anime and manga so it’s hard to escape, a lot of times without even any warning. They’ll lull you into a false sense of security with you thinking finally this anime is safe, then immediately pull the wool over your eyes and jumpscare you with pedo and incest shit out of nowhere.

>>281996195
i don't watch dubs, but anything is better than the original Sailor Moon dub by default, faggot

>>281996408
>total non sequitor
retard
>>281996331
>I dont want to see that shit though
other people are NOT responsible for keeping stuff out of your eyeballs. Especially not in the age where a synopsis of anything doesn't rely on a tv guide. if you don't like anime then go back
>>>/tv/
>>>/reddit/

>>281987854
i cant wait to see this guys next animation

>>281970240
>Crystal censors the gore and sex from the manga
>Doesn’t censor the most more egregious aged up loli tonguing her father onscreen
Sasuga Japan…

>>281996408
The DIC/Cloverway Sailor Moon dub is superior to the original Japanese because it got rid of all the gay shit.