Chapter 144
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>>281953095>posting an image in the middle of an image dumpFuck off.
https://imgchest.com/p/agyvrjdwk78https://cubari.moe/read/imgchest/agyvrjdwk78/1/1/
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>>281953032But how many of the special forces did Sense kill? I would like to have seen this fight, what caused it and how did Sense get away?
>>281953283In a previous ch she did mention that they don't like her because she killed some of them.
>>281953130So Serie has prophetic dreams. Not as useful as the Hero of the South's future sight but still likely one of the secrets to how she has lived for so long.
Don't go away anons
So next one is in two weeks again?
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>>281953022nice lust provoking cover
>>281953528I love how she just goes with his assumption she must have killed Frase, at least until he figures out it is a dream.
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>>281953596I wonder if there is anything Flamme made that Serie doesn't regard as silly?
>>281953764She did though. In that specific future she saw in that dream.The most impressive part is that she killed her without causing any sort of alarm though. No giant flashes of light, beams, or explosions to alert anyone.
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So does this mean we are going to see force ghosts of all the characters at the end?
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>>281953784I have to admit, that is an impressive degree of protection to even account for prophetic dreams giving away information.
>>281953876inb4 Ubel was a spy all along but the power of love with her new boyfriend getting in the way prevents her from making the killing blow. The one thing Serie doesn't understand
>>281953846>"No idea. I'll be dead."Never change Serie...
Lmao what a fucking fraud
>>281953876There's no way the author is actually going to kill Serie. This is one of those "we changed the prophecy" type deals I'm sure of it
So what sage is gonna off her? No way a ningen can touch her?
>>281953980She knows how to game the system
>>281953876Honestly the fact that it is confirmed in one possible future that Serie gets killed, and she is making plans that assume she will be killed, makes me fairly sure she WON'T be killed.On the other hand, at least the way she is killed makes sense, i.e. it is some means where she cannot see or prepare for the attack, and even with a prophetic vision of her own death she can't figure out how it happened. All the power in the world can't help you if you don't know what the danger even is.
>>281954018>just accept death, this is how I winWhat a power play
>>281954009Grausam the Miraculous
>>281954009Literally just a guy with a knife
>>281953876I saw that top panel as the OP of the spoiler thread, thank god it's a dream/premonition
>>281953916Cute feet
>>281953650>>281953714>>281953747>>281953784>>281953812>>281953916I completely missed all the explanations happening because of Serie's feet, thighs and calves
>>281954009Kanone vel Lineal.
>>281953916so they’re continuing the convo or did they already have it with her death reveal?
>>281954257>Focus, your Majesty
If Serie wanted to avoid dying, she could have used any one of a bajillion options here, starting with "not going to the Empire." The biggest risk factor for her life is her willfully setting off a trap.Which reminds me of somebody.
>>281954009Gorilla
>>281953876frieren will pull something out like muh clones or something.No one important (to the reader) ever dies.Literally, nothing ever happens.
Frieren and Fern turning up for the free drinks at the hags funeral
>>281954324Well there's more to the conversation, but that doesn't mean we're going to see it now, or even necessarily in flashbacks. I imagine next ch goes back to the ongoing fight.
>>281954418She probably sees going to the Empire as something she has to do, given the whole treaty signing and all. Sure she could just run away from her responsibilities, but I think she's too fond of her students to just abandon civilization again.
>>281954477>No one important (to the reader) ever dies.Himmel is top of popularity polls.
>>281954546>next ch goes back to the ongoing fight.Probably. Which means it will be even more waiting until Frieren finally gets to do something.
>>281954606He obviously means getting killed.
>>281954477>No one important (to the reader) ever dies.Justice for Aura and Linne
>>281954633Naa she is too much of a bystander to do anything if it does not consist of Demons.
>>281954606Himmel and Heiter die in the very first and second chapters, released together. Literally the first time they're introduced. It's not the same.
>>281954418>If Serie wanted to avoid dying, she could have used any one of a bajillion optionsShe's tested out many possible futures and all end in her death, she is not capable of preventing her own death
>serie diesthis is going to be frieren's frieza killing krillin moment. she's going to unlock the next level of elf magic. super saiyan frieren if you will.
If Fern became Serie's apprentice, or if Methode locked Serie in her basement, none of this would have ever happened.
>>281954633Last we saw she had finished eating and was preparing to make a move with Fern and Stark since a few of the shadow warriors are unaccounted for. It's possible a second fight will start.
>>281954749Uh.. theres no Demons involved.
aura kills her
>>281954758I'm sure Serie's getting a long, hard bare bottom spanking from Serie for this whole kerfuffle when she gets back home.
>>281954698She's already told Sein she's prepared to kill off the Shadow Warriors, including Gorilla, if it comes down to that.
>>281954698>too much of a bystanderWtf are you talking about?She's literally never been a bystander, every single arc of this manga has been solved by Frieren+ friends coming up with solutions that others didn't think possibleThis arc will be exactly the same
>>281954845I want to see her cold bloodily killing a SW because she had no other choice. Not even Himmel could talk his way out of every situation.
>>281954869I think he's talking about her not actively doing anything significant in a long, long time, all the while characters are acting around her while she's just spectating / being a bystander.All of this ofc, in the context of this arc.
>>281954896They spent their fair share of time to humanize the SWs, don't hold your breath. Everyone living is the most likely outcome.
>>281954749Frieren never really cared for her grandmotherIf she does help Serie, it would be because she is her mother's motherThe tiniest sliver of sentimentality that's within her
>>281954962But humanizing them would make their death have some impact, as opposed to assassin #7 getting killed.
Yeah dead chapter. This is going to be a Namek war isn’t it.
>>281954697Demons exist to be killed. This manga will never kill a named character unless they’re a demon.
>>281955012But that's not how this series rolls. It's all about change and redemption. There's a reason the conforntation with the old assassin ended peacefully.
>>281953916Cute and kind of canon
>>281954960>her not actively doing anything significant in a long, long timeThey were literally running around the streets fighting shadow warrior just 6 chapters ago, the hiatus has fried your brain what a 'long, long time' actually is in a narrative sense. That would be 3 anime episodes at most since she was last figuring out how to get out a life/death situation against the assassins trying to kill them all
>>281953876man, it's a real mystery. I wonder what the character whose name means evil and whose power is cutting stuff has any ideas.
There’s a very good chance that not even the minor SWs will die. I bet that if the mangaka wants to kill SWs they’ll be demons (ie, contracted / bonded); this will give Frieren’s party the ability to get into life-or-death fights, something which is impossible against humans.
>>281955312I'd say the minor ones are the safest. I mean, Gorilla could potentially get some kind of a heroic death foiling the plan of other SWs that would bring him full circle. Not really true for literally whos, their deaths would be just pointless loss of life.
>>281953566I like how the Emperor just casually strolls to his 1.000 yo. magic lamp to check whether he's in a dream or some shite when the strongest mage in the world expicity ask him to not try anything funny.>>281953807Falsh (first class mage), Kanone (Lineal) and Clematis (the man in the priestly garb) all display magic or a willingness to use magic that prevents normies from finding out and panicing about a mage bout. >>281953801Flamme will live in Serie's mind as a cute and funny little tyke for as for however many more hours Serie will be alive.>>281955158I like the idea of Evil killing Serie more than I like Lion or Gorilla killing Serie because there's slightly more foreshadowing for it, but there's no way she'll get away with it and her BF would probably break up with her over it so it runs counter to the trajectory her character is currently on.>>281955070>this series would never kill a named character>except himmel and heither in the first two chapters>and except demonsexciting I wonder where the goalpost will be moved next.n23h4
>>281955140>just 6 chapters agoits been so long it feels like a year ago
Why didn't Serie just use a better version of Land's magic?
somebody explain the lamp. why is it unexplainable to the emperor? is it goddess magic?
>>281953022that face will soon be sleeping forever
>>281955670Ningen are livestock only the elf master race understands magic
>>281953876>killed by ÜbelLMAO
>>281955717nah aureole exists. she'll keep talking to frieren from the afterlife.
>>281953876I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS FUTURE
NOOOOOOSerie must have a dozen kids at lest
>>281955616>exciting I wonder where the goalpost will be moved nextIf it's the same dude I'm thinking of, for a while now he's been making this argument that nobody important gets killed except for demons because the manga has no stakes or whatever. At some point he said it was because the author is against showing humans getting hurt, which is retarded.
>>281953966clearly she must have a suspicion since she is trying to get Land to control Ubel's "reins"
what do we know about ubel's background and history? what happened with her sister? with her family?
>>281955616>Flamme will live in Serie's mind as a cute and funny little tykeThat's exactly why she isn't fond of Frieren. Her granddaughter stole her daughter from her, and she can't forgive this.
>>281955670Flamme made the lantern. The lantern is disperate from the magic that the emperor uses to filter what gets leaked from himself in the dream state. But it is the reason he knows what's going on.Serie doesn't initially explain her dreamwalking magic because she thinks the emperor is an unalienable part of her dream.And when she realizes that he isn't and is fishing for intelligence she jumps at the opportinity to have a heart to heart with a decision maker that will outlive her.
>>281953876Serie dies so Himmel can get some elf pussy finally in Heaven. Sasuga.
>reminder that Gorilla will die because that's the impetus that will lead Sein to want to travel to Aureole.
>>281956141>in order for gorilla to die, serie must also dieoof
>>281955932we know Ubel asked Serie for a spell to find her sister
>>281956247so she found her sister then....maybe serie killed her sister
>>281956274her sister will be a shadow warrior looking to get Ubel to betray Serie
>>281953876So she's fucked It's going to be Übel who kills her isnt it
Whats the point in high magic if you can't stop predeterminism?
>>281956338>hero of the south, serie, the seven sages of destruction, the demon kingseems like only frieren is capable of overcoming predeterminism
>>281954697Demons aren’t people.
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>>281956377Every human she likes is doomed to die before her. In a high magic setting you should be able to escape the mortal coils.
>>281953876Uhh that looks like an Ubel death Serie
>>281954477This. Dangerous circumstances like in this arc only exist for the sole purpose of exposition. Serie will live 100%
>>281955012>But humanizing them would make their death have some impact, as opposed to assassin #7 getting killed.it feels so silly that like there's almost no first class mages, losing one is a disaster, and then in this chapter we get to know that three of them were killed non-chalantly by the magic nazisit's basically ichigo getsuga tenshoing the big hollows in bleach all over again, when we learned in the beginning that they were super hard to beat
>>281956639>Übel gets too enthusiastic in the fight and accidentally Ghost Ships the entire ballroom
>>281956247>>281956274Most likely her sister is dead. Right before Ubel asked for the spell, Land asked for a spell to find the remains of his family. Then Ubel was shown remarking that she thinks the spell she was going to ask for was already taken, and so goes with one that presumably is similar.
>>281956502>Wow magic can do ANYTHING!>Can it make me, a human live a extra 1000 years. Like make my cell reproduction more efficient or something.>NUH HUH!Fuck my chud human life bros
>>281953916>tiptoes Cute.
>>281956808>Right before Ubel asked for the spell, Land asked for a spell to find the remains of his family. Then Ubel was shown remarking that she thinks the spell she was going to ask for was already takeni dont remember that
>>281956677>it feels so silly that like there's almost no first class mages, losing one is a disaster, and then in this chapter we get to know that three of them were killed non-chalantly by the magic nazisI doubt it was non-chalantly, given it seems a fair number of the magic nazis were also killed (this all seems to relate to the event that Sense says involved her killing some of them) and this event is a singular point of major violence that has led to both groups treating the other the way they do now.Also this is not the first time we've seen a 1st Class Mage get killed (there's the one Ubel killed, the one that four armed demon killed, the one Macht killed and so on), there's still a big variation in ability between different members of this class of mage.
She should've at least had some children.
>>281956886It was during this arc, where Serie has a flashback to the spells all the 1st class mages she chose for this mission asked for.
>>281956900The only male elf we know still lives is a presumably celibate monk, and as far as we know the different sapient species in this world can't interbreed (we've seen a fair number of dwarves, even one who was married to a human, but no reference to half dwarves).
>>281956900How do you know she doesnt have some?
>>281956900>>281956960Elfs are retarded like pandas. Humans will have to make them not go extinct. We need to put them in zoos
>>281956321She is gonna be Judas. Took the hit for his teacher.
>>281953876>Ubel: cutting range buffed, no line of sight needed.Time for friendly fire!
>>281955026>arcs last for more then five chaptersNAMEK NAMEK NAMEK NAMEK NAMEK NAMEKGod I wish ya'll would kill yourselves, truly abhorrent creatures. I don't care that this is bait, every single thread for every single manga has a retard just like you in it saying the same stupid fucking shit endlessly.
>>281953876>Übel cuts her down>but its because Serie didn't get out of the way
>>281957119>Betrayalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiB6_AQM70k
Why would Übel cut Serie?
>>281957014>Elfs are retarded like pandas. Humans will have to make them not go extinct.Off topic but the panda thing is a myth. They breed just fine in the wild, zoos just had difficulty for many years figuring out how to breed them in captivity. Pandas became endangered due to habitat loss and hunting, not due to them not reproducing at a normal rate.Though elves might be similar in having a rate of reproduction that worked fine for them so long as an entire species (demons) wasn't trying to genocide them.
>>281957260Same way you accidentally kill a teammate with the rocket launcher in Halo
>>281956377I'm pretty sure I saw her take active part in a predestination paradox.
>>281957326i meant predetermined death
>>281957284If it was just an accident, wouldn't Serie have predicted that and corrected the future by now? Unless she's tired of living and actually wants to die.
>>281955616>>281953566I still don't understand how this works. It's a dream which is created out of memories so how can the memory replicate the same mechanism? This is like using a calculator to solve complicated equations, which you cannot do in the head, in your head in your dream.
>>281955833>At some point he said it was because the author is against showing humans getting hurt, which is retarded.Indeed, we've had whole villages of humans massacred. One arc opens with Genau giving false reassurances to a childhood friend just to comfort him before he dies from demon-inflicted wounds.
>>281957358It's silly to think dreams in SoF works like in real life. They have heaven and all sorts of supernatural stuff there, it's not really that weird to believe premonition dreams go beyond just memories.
>>281957358The magic protecting the emperor, and Flamme's ancient device, connected to Serie's prophetic dream. The device in the dream is not the actual physical device, but a representation of it that is connected to the actual device (which we see the physical emperor fell asleep in front of).
>>281953876Let's fucking gooooooooooo
>>281956900For all you know, Serie had children long before Frieren or Flamme were born and they've all been killed.
>>281957356She mentions she's not sure who kills her or how, >>281953876 so if it is Ubel does accidently all of them then Serie wouldn't know.
>>281957358It's a prophetic dream. A dream of the future. In this one possible future that Serie chose to see, she went and forced her way to see the Emperor on the night before the ball. The emperor's funky defense magic interfered with her future vision, making it useless, as she said. As a result though, the two of them were effectively able to have a real conversation in the present as they slept.
>>281958165I find it a bit interesting that they said she had to defeat Fräse to get to him and serie enjoyed the fight, meaning she is some part of the defense magic as well.
>>281958271This was before the emperor realized that he's in a dream, she could be just playing along
>>281958271I figured it was more that in this future Serie had to fight and kill Frase in order to reach the emperor. That Frase was simply part of the dream though, not connected to the actual person the way the emperor is.
>>281958271I don't think that's it. It's just that in that future, Serie had to get through his guards to get to him. I think the whole precognitive part only got jumbled when they met and he checked the lamp.
she's just fucking with him (us) rightlike takagi in that one chapter where we get cucked rightI know they've been death flagging her for multiple chapters but pls don't kill my elf mom
>>281958321Yeah that's kind of how I figured it, she had to fight her way through fräse to get to him in that possible reality so she was just part of his defense both in the dream and in the real life scenario which may or may not happen.
>>281958079>For all you know, Serie had children long before Frieren or Flamme were born and they've all been killed.frieren is serie's granddaughter but neither of them know
>>281958344There's no way Serie dies after straight out announcing that she's going to die
>>281957358>It's a dream which is created out of memoriesIt's implied to be a spell that allows the user to probe the future while asleep by trying and retrying diffent actions, it's similar to King Crimson or Hunter Hunter's parallel future except Serie gets multiple tries and has personal agency in her visions rather than merely seeing some predetermined future roll by which allows her to do more extreme things like killing everything and seeing what happens.
If she dies, is the serie over?
>>281958600I bet they'll pull some bullshit cooperation with the magical special forces to defeat the assassins to maintain the status quo. It seems like the assassins are basically set up to be jobbers.
>>281958656the empire is still dying and needs to fall
>>281958634Himmel died at the start and he still gets screentimeSerie will never be over
How does this series actually end? Frieren party makes it to heaven, they say whatsup to himmel et al, then go their separate ways, end of?
>>281957014>>281957269Female Pandas need to see 2 males fighting over them to go into heat.That's why Zoo breeding doesn't work that well for them.
>>281958656>the assassins are basically set up to be jobbers.lower end to mid-range shadow warrios have had fair matchups against either members of Frieren's party or 1st class mages. the strongest shadow warrior is confident that he can kill Serie. If they succeed in killing Serie it might even cause all-out conflict between the mages of the empire and the continental mage association which would bring them closer to their goal of ending all magic. for the first time since the start of this arc I can see a path to them winning.
>yfw when the true winners of this arc are the demons
>>281958775They'll probably also have to stop that curse that one demon is preparing in secret that will apparently kill off all humanity.
>>281958935>SW kill Serie>this starts a war between the continental association and the empire>demons take advantage of this to buttfuck humanity into oblivionYou did it Shadow Warriors! You saved demonkind!
>>281958940I really doubt any demon wants to exterminate humanity. It's true that they don't need to eat them, but that's a waste of good food.All we know about Tot's curse is that it's a curse that will affect the entire planet and that it takes a hundred years to complete (we're still like 8 years away). What it does is a complete mystery.
>>281953916Serie is so beautiful...
>>281958861The elf race is over with only one known male then
>>281958940my guess is that could be part of frieren shippuden and not involve frieren at all
>>281958775some people theorize that there is a war in heaven and frieren's party will tip the scales in aureole's favor. after that she either stays in heaven or returns to an era of peace.
I have a theory! The demons have somehow revived Himmel the hero, who will save Serie (a factor she didn't or couldn't predict). However, revived Himmel is Dark!Himmel, and he kills Denken, Phrase, the Emperor, Gorilla and Goatee. He is still Himmel, so he tells Frieren to come to the former Demon King's Castle and defeat him once and for all, and if she loses he will turn her into his bride.
>>281959232Theories have at least some evidence to back them up, that's just wild speculation.
>>281958152wouldn't she easily recognize the attack if it was Übel doing it?
>>281953566>>281953596Flamme's tool breaking Serie's dream is proof that her future sight is fallible and her certainty of her death is totally premature.Her dreams can only show her things she would do or think about.
>>281959430Not if she dies instantly. Though supposedly, people remain conscious for a bit after being decapitated.
>>281959507You have to remember she has godlike perception. I still think it's a bit far fetched to assume it's Übel just because of one panel.
>>281957284Yes. The person, literally named evil, will ACCIDENTALLY kill Serie. inb4 "b-but Land has changed her!!". She will kill Land too.
>>281959530its obvious that ubel is a red herring. there is probably some other plot device that will be used.
>>281959545>"you killed her!">"it was an accident...but i wish it wasnt"
>>281953032So which one of those old crones died
>>281953876This butterface looks so stupid with her head lopped off lel
also remember that lineal has defeated serie before in practice, minus was killed by the shadow leader, and frieren has been defeated before multiple times including by humans. its setting us up to accept that serie can be defeated, even killed. it was the same way with aura and macht.
>>281960021>defeatedNo, just made her get on one knee only once before
>>281953916If you strike her down she'll become more powerful than you can even imagine.
>>281960032its still setting the story up that she can lose the fight
>>281960147Except as things stand her death hinges on there not even being a fight. The attack is a surprise assassination where Serie has no idea who did it or what the attack even was.
>>281959545>The person, literally named evilHimmel already killed Bose though. As a reminder Ubel also means "sick" as in "sick in the head".
>>281960222>Except as things stand her death hinges on there not even being a fight.NTA but unless I'm retarded. Nothing says there isn't a fight, just that Serie dies suddenly at some point.
The unexpected wild card that will throw off the future will be Sein. Literally no one planned on him being there in any capacity.
is it noteworthy or just a coincidence that serie is killed by a neck wound and that land's clone is mysteriously protecting his neck for some reason?
>>281960328oh yeah we dont even know if she is aware of sein. though since she's been exploring the future in her dreams, then maybe she does know.
>>281953916Surprised the King didn't go, "since you know you're dying anyways.... wanna fuck?"
>>281960299I mean a fight with Serie specifically where she loses to her opponent. If she is fighting someone else when it happens then it seems to have no bearing on her death except perhaps distracting her. That is, I would think that after her multiple attempts to figure it out, she would recognize if someone she was fighting against killed her.
>emperor have counters for dream spells>empire will somehow lose he saysThe state potential is massive for magic.What is this retard doing.Start funding experiments.
>>281960328Serie is the granny he was looking for
>>281960657this is why she wont die, because he just found his hag pussy
>>281960374Land's clones can get killed. And they take a while to create, as he previously mentioned. If he doesn't protect the clone, Ubel will be left fighting both Routine and Iris by herself and she'll die for real, unlike him.
Thoughts on evil Land?He kills serie to prevent ubel from becoming Evil.>I will take on your evil
>>281960622In that regard yes. If she was directly engaged with someone and they pulled out some insta-kill move I think she'd have a good guess as to their identity. I think myself and the other anon were erring on the other option you presented where a fight breaks out and even with Serie engaging things, she gets blindsided by an unknown assailant. or at the very least even if she was fighting one guy, there's enough chaos around her that such a surprise attack even from her target would evade her awareness. The Shadow Warrior leader did kill the most war-like of the ancient elves.
Haven't been in of these threads in a while, don't recall them being this shitty.is it just the anime fags, or has the board gotten noticeably worse?
Would you still like Übel if she kills Serie?
>>281960636Most humans cannot comprehend even the idea of winning against Serie, she's practically a god to them. Heck, in this prophetic dream Serie apparently fought and killed Frase without even getting injured. Add in all the 1st class mages and the various countries the Continental Magic Association is allied with and the Empire is clearly at a massive disadvantage if open conflict started.Though more to the point, the emperor has no desire to war with the CMA to begin with. What would be the point of devoting resources to these hypothetical super weapon experiments when his main concern is about the Empire declining through means other than battle? If anything that could hasten their decline.
>>281960850>Empire declining through means other than battleWhich is none.There is no threat to a ruler other than battles, either with other nations or your own citizens.
>>281960948Economic decline, famine, natural disaster, there are any number of things that can bring down or weaken a nation over time. And anyway the Emperor doesn't seem to be thinking of this as any threat to himself specifically, it's not about threats to his rule but threats to the Empire continuing to be the Empire. Say at some point parts of the Empire decide they want to merge with other countries or become independent, and the Empire lacks the power or political will to force them to stay. Or what if there is another succession crisis like what happened before, only this time the result is the abandonment of the Emperor title completely and replacing it with some other system. If that were to happen one could say it would be the "end" of the Empire as it was.
>>281960839always
>>281960850>who is himmelHumans are superior in the end.The only thing she would accomplish is hasting the evolution of mankind which might be a plot point later.
>>281960688One of his best ones.
remember in season 2 that macht was afraid of the magic special forces but frieren wasnt
>>281953876Ubel will kill her
b-but i thought übel (literally evil in german) wasn't actually evil!
>>281961951He was not. He said dealing with them while trying to break the Empire's defensive barrier would be a pain in the ass. He wasn't scared of Frase either. He considered her a threat to Weise which is why he asked Gluck for permission to kill her.
>>281961999it means bad or sick, just like her fans that are already cheering for her decapitating Serie even though there isn't any confirmation that she's gonna do it
It's hard to take all this talk of killing seriously when we know there's a 0% chance of anybody with a name going to die.
>>281962380the chance is low but well above 0%
>>281962380I bet some of the Shadow Warriors will die
>>281962397>>281962429Not a single named human has died in combat in this series (outside of flashbacks). Why exactly do you think it'll change now?
>>281962507Because.
>>281962235Which in itself is nonsense. Unless you have very specific countermeasures, Di Agolze is an instant win. He should have no problems nuking them.
>>281962507I just hope someone gets killed just so you shut the fuck up already.
>>281962593I assume the idea is that the Empire's main defensive barrier could possibly slow the spread of Di Agolze like the great barrier of Weise did, and that they can attack freely from inside the barrier. That at least sounds like a pain in the ass.
>>281953714You dont waste an entire chapter like this if you intend to both characters to talk out outside the dream so one of them is dying.
>>281962801Di Agolze is unbreakable. He can take a regular sheet and make an invincible shield to protect Solitar while she breaks the barrier.
>>281953876Just dont go to the fucking ball?
>>281962876how did frieren free her arm from it?
>>281962877Anon, this is Japanese determinism. it doesn't matter how much logic you use, it'll happen the same anyway.
>>281962886The gold created is unbreakable. Frieren undid the spell itself over a century. It would be the greatest shield.
>>281962886It took her decades to figure it out.
>>281962914A century actually. Then she spent the next 400 years moping.
>>281962888No, it won't happen if she doesn't go to the place infested by people who can bypass magic.
>>281959545She needs to understand him first so he can steal his magic
>>281962949To be fair, a century can be measured in decades. Come to think of it, that gold arm might've served as a shield during that time.
>>281955140>theyI'm talking about Frieren herself
Ubel, you mean the girl who killed a mage for fun in the last exam? No way.
>>281955312Frieren already said she might have to kill some, so the setup is there
Wait its been two years in universe since the fucking exam? What did they do, what has even happened.I know some series like boku no hero are stupid where the entire story happens in a 6 month span where the mc is still a first grader but two years since the exam is insane, Stark joined like 4 years ago.
>>281957367Important characters not some literal who's we barely got to know.
>>281963190I thought the point was to see the story from Frieren's point of viewI hope the manga just keeps going on like this with huge timeskips, it's interesting
>>281963163The arc has been about a dozen chapters of Frieren going around the streets of the capital investigating while evading SW attempts to track and kill her, they then had two chapters of ball prep meetings to plan things outIt's actually only been since ch141 that she's been sitting there waiting for something to pop off, as soon as Fern noticed there were unaccounted for SWs Frieren got up saying they were leaving the ballroom to take action, that was last chapter. So two chapters are her sitting there, which is nothing
>>281963190Did you forget how much time they spent walking from place A to B?
Nothing ever happens.
>decapitates Serie in every single timelineApologise
>>281963794For what, retard?
>>281954633Cute feet; I like when the feetfag art isn't literally in your face, but still make it clear through the attention to detail who they are.
>>281963190Actually, it's about three years with Stark. And half of the first year is spent in that snowy cabin. The party can spend an extended amount of time like this in one location. Analyzing Macht's memories in Weise took three months.
>>281953566y'all seen inception?
>still no elf with a loving family and plenty of children that keeps bay the decline of their race at least for a little while>Serie, most beloved of the Elven race, is gonna die, alone, without a familyI don't want this bros...
Serie will live but her feet will be cut off.
>>281953916cute tippytoes
>>281958614I think it's closer to Yawach prophecies in Bleach.
>>281964976Serie raises humans like a spinster raises cats
>>281953876Nah not ubel, but a very quick sword, but still, I agree with those that think Frieren or Fern will do somethign to prevent it.
>>281953528>dreams can be used against youLooks like /ourerefu/ wasn't so foolish to accept this reward after all.
Why doesn't Serie just try and Talk no Jutsu her way out of getting decapitated like Frieren did? Is she an idiot?
>>281963190The surprising thing is Stark and Fern not having a kid already
>>281953916just in case... I enjoyed my time with Serie, especially times like top right panel
>>281953022fucking finally
>>281953032first class mages are such jobbers
>>281953230>I dont have much time leftsex elf bros..
So it's clear that Serie seen that she would die a while ago, hence her reasons for bringing along the first-class mages that chose non-combat spells. Why would she still choose to accept the invite if she knew that no matter what she did there, she would die? Why not reject the invite? What exactly is so important that she must attend?
>>281965622She's grandstanding
>>281965648You think she's lying about her dying? I guess I could see it working to convince the emperor to share intel. If anything, this chapter convinced me that Serie won't die.
>>281957358>it's magic I ain't gotta explain it
>>281965671No I think she telling the truth and that her mental simulations all come to the same result, her death. So she's come up with a contingency for the CMA if that happens, which is what she expects, but she's also taking a punt on the mages she brought along creating a future she cannot see.This manga and this arc specifically has talked alot about mages that disappoint her, because they are not as geared up for conflict as she would like, being the ones that end up surprising her and doing things she didn't even think possible
So why do the Shadow Chudders even hate magic to begin with? Do they seriously think that they're gonna beat the demons using nothing but warriors and priests? That's going to be a rude awakening.
>>281965800Ah, so that's what you meant. Yeah, those are the reasons I don't think she'll die. We already know her thinking is extremely rigid, to the point that she cannot comprehend a non-combat approach. Serie was surprised that Frieren was able kill the demon king and thought that it was impossible to save El Dorado. Still, I'm very interested in finding out what or who is constantly able to kill Serie.
>>281960839Übel is too good of a character to ditch.I will miss her in S2 when it finally airs
Imagine gex with Sense...
>>281966187It would be very sensual
>>281965889a mage probably cucked him. probably how he got that scar.
Ubel
>>281965354I imagine that the Empire actually trains their combat mages instead of just throwing them into a meat grinder and seeing who comes out on the other end. There's just going to be more consistency among the Magic Special Forces as well as inbuilt teamwork.
>>281966433Plus, those mages are specially trained to fight other mages. Foreign ones like the continental mage association ones, but also and especially their very own mage army, who themselves are a highly trained spellflinging army that could keep the demon lord's forces at bay.
>>281960839she won't; even if that was the plan initially (it probably wasn't) i bet land's dick has timeline-shifting powers.
>>281958775With future-sight, time-travel and curses that take generations to manifest being plot-points I would not be surprised if there was some kind of issue with the Demon King as the final conflict. Demon Kings being resurrected is a common trope, maybe they will have to foil it or something or what the Heroes Party defeated was only part of the Demon King or a illusion or something.
New episode https://youtu.be/p5X1q7ipaic?si=NMug9-a-Rgl475qL
>>281959068If Frieren Shippuden happened, Frieren would be the only one left, except now with different apprentices.
>>281954477>No one important (to the reader) ever dies.Macht was important to me.
>>281966580I really don't think they'll undermine the Hero Party journey like this.
>>281963190>Wait its been two years in universe since the fucking exam? What did they do, what has even happened.In terms of travel distance they crossed the Northern Plateau and a good portion of the Empire. They also got embroiled in some big, lengthy events like the Golden Land arc.Also, has it been two years? I thought it was one year and change.
>>281963167>for funUbel wanted to pass the exam, killing the proctor was a genuine accident.
>>281966580They arrive at Ende, and meet Himmel, Heiter, and Eisen again. ;_;
>>281965622>What exactly is so important that she must attend?Politically the importance is for that treaty she and the Emperor are supposed to agree to. Sure her getting assassinated would likely ruin that, from the perspective of the nations she is representing for Serie to refuse to go would be problematic for them. Plus it would require Serie to admit to some measure of weakness.
>>281954475>Serie is beheaded in the panelHis new name shall thus be Guillotine Gorilla
>>281965622Flamme's dream
>>281953916The emperor... is wasting a dream.
>>281955670Flamme made it.She was too smart for normalfags to understand. But her inventions all last forever.Serie herself couldn't even predict its existence because it was such a strange and arcane thing to make.
>>281953876this is not a sword or cutting jutsu by übel, it's like some barriers type of attack.
>>281965889Organization is controlled by demons.
>>281966187>gexi suppose this just sex but with a "geh" face? firmly in-character.also makes my dick equally firm.
why the fuck is the godess an elf?are the demons naturally ocurring or are created as a counter to elves? Ubel uses magic much like demon's do, so is there a coinnection there?are there other continents? is their situation the same?
>>281963190It's a little less. Stark's birthday is a bit before Fern's and he had his 20th birthday recently, but Fern hasn't. Fern's 18th birthday was a bit before the exam.
We were joking around with my 50-something boss one time and he mentioned something that might be a problem "by 2075". I said "oh well, you won't be around by then" and he just froze up and got really upset saying such comments are "unnecessary".It's very nice to see an authority figure without delusions about their mortality.
>>281953876It is just a set up to later show how Frieren is the most op being ever.The author just wants to show that Frieren is more powerful than Serie.Frieren will ass pull some bullshit magic that no one has ever seen.Maybe the sort of stuff she used against the Demon King.
>>281967752>why the fuck is the godess an elf?She's not. She's the goddess of all creation. Elves just look like her. Stop being fantasy racist, since you wouldn't assume a god wasn't a god if it looked human.Demons are as naturally occurring as anything else, but despite Solitar stating that the goddess is the enemy of demon kind, the feeling might not be mutual.Ubel doesn't use magic like demons do. She uses magic more like how people did before Flamme science'd up magic to make it accessible to everyone.>>281967801>the billionaire lunatic who is infusing himself with his son's blood because he's convinced it's keeping him young and he'll defeat deathrich people are wild.
>>281967015Great doujin potential.
>>281965622She doesn't mind dying if it means she gets to go out with a bang. Kind of like Bleach's Unohana. She is a product of a bygone age and while her knowledge is considerable her archaic thought patterns and training methods are actively hindering humanity from unlocking the next generation of magic.
>>281967752>why the fuck is the godess an elf?Why is Flamme an old man? Goddess depictions could be very far from truth, it's possible that people in that world just naturally think of an elf when an ancient otherworldly being comes up.>are the demons naturally ocurring or are created as a counter to elves? They're theorized to have evolved naturally from monsters BUT monsters could very well be some artificial creation to begin with given they're made out of mana.>Ubel uses magic much like demon's do, so is there a coinnection there?Not really, demons tend to fixate on one spell, but Ubel can learn spells of other people by emphasizing with them, something demons would be unable to do. Frase is apparently an intuitive type mage as well.>are the demons naturally ocurring or are created as a counter to elves?>Ubel uses magic much like demon's do, so is there a coinnection there?>are there other continents? is their situation the same?
>>281966187>>281967660>This party's stiffer than a cookout at Macht's.>I'm Sensing some hostility here!
>>281967867>Frieren - Serie is not going to die >Serie - I'm going to dieIt's pretty obvious what the outcome will be
Rand from a wheel of time would go inside her/his dream see who kills her then use bailfire on them ereasing their entire existance in time for a moment. Whats stopping Serie?
>>281967985Humanity isn't looking for the next generation of magic. The largest magic civilization is the Empire and the Emperor himself says it's declining into irrelevance while a rogue faction therein seeks to eliminate magic from mankind altogether. Outside the empire, mages are in severe decline post war and the CMA is the one thing propping them up.
>>281968071>Frieren - Serie's intuition is always right.
>>281953876Why not just cast "reattach your severed head the moment it happens, then send Lassie to the well to call Timmy for help magic"? There seems to be a spell for fucking everything in this setting.
>>281968193Her intuition will be right though, she cannot prevent her death but the 'disappointments' like Frieren and Sense will be able to
>>281966588Himmel: A hero denied his hot guy pose
Isn't a really dumb idea to kill Seire? It makes no sense at all.There are still a lot of demons roaming the world.By killing the most powerful mage, they would lose the ultimate triumph card that could deal with them.
>people actually think Serie is gonna dieis modern media literacy really that low? this entire scene wouldn't exist if that were the case
>>281968213Healing is miracle territory, especially something as specific as that, and you'd still need to anticipate the attack in the first place.Regardless, her main problem is that she doesn't know the who or the how of her assassination. She knows every spell but is very inflexible in her mindset, the situation thus must come about from her own way of thinking which is why she surrounds herself with unknown variables.
>>281953022Is she a virgin?
>>281968661Humanity's trump card were the heroes, like Himmel's party or the Hero of the South. Serie admits she couldn't see herself solving the war.Her death is a major blow to magic in general, not humanity.
>>281968661Bro, your elven mage who defeated the demon king?
>>281968661>they would lose the ultimate triumph card that could deal with themThat would be Frieren
>>281968710You get the option of either asking her for the virgin detection spell or the virginity restoration spell.
>>281967752>why the fuck is the godess an elf?What we know about the goddess:> depictions of her show her as an elf with wings> her magic doesn't make sense to modern mages, operating as spells they can replicate but on principals they don't understand> the magics of the goddess are encoded in her book of worship in such extremely complicated cyphers that only a tiny fraction of them have as yet been decoded for use, and new spells trickle in over time from scholars spending their lives to uncover them> worship of the goddess started AFTER the fall of the great human empire, when demons were first becoming a problem> goddess magic was one of mankind's only real defenses against demons for a long timeEven if we didn't already have time travel confirmed in the story, this REEKS of time travel stable time loop bullshit.At some point in the future, an elf woman with extremely advanced magic beyond anything the modern era can imagine will go back in time. She will possess flight magic, a modern invention, and as a result of flying around depictions based on stories passed down about her will misremember her as possessing wings because the idea of flight magic doesn't exist for them yet. She brings back a book of magic with spells that are designed for time-release, injecting new spells into the timeline slowly, so spells arrive in mankind's possession when they are needed instead of all at once in order to guide the timeline on a curated path. The religion is to ensure that these encoded spells are transcribed and passed down through the generations EXACTLY, because only a holy text would be treated with that level of reverence. And since these spells are 'miracles' its easy to get people to believe in them as being holyThe goddess was arming mankind against the demons, and preparing them for... something. Maybe just to fulfill the stable time loop that makes the future the goddess comes from, maybe some other great purpose that takes a long time to pay off.
>>281968661Presumably the logic goes like this:> the demons are the greatest threat to mankind> we have successfully killed the demon king, and broken the demon army. Demons still exist, but are nowhere near as organized as they once were> who is the next greatest threat to humanity now that the demon king has been removed?> the immortal elf sorceress that keeps human nations as pets and could cause untold destruction if she ever decides to turn on humanity> said sorceress's prime motivation for centuries was fighting the demons and we were allies in that cause. Without a mutual enemy to unite us, how long before she turns on us?
Ladies and gentlemen
>>281968761they probably want to kill her too desu
This arc is kinda boring.>muh shadow warriorsGo back to adventure kino
>>281968871>wastes your time with a pointless arc that has nothing to do with frieren
>>281967867Frieren has done some things that Serie didn't consider possible, but that doesn't change the fact Serie is more powerful than Frieren. Frieren herself has stated she can't imagine ever defeating Serie in a fight.
>>281969163>pointless arc that has nothing to do with frierenBefore this chapter maybe but it's pretty clear now that it will end up being another power of friendship achieving the impossible arc, which has been a thing throughout
>>281968116Well, among other things, she doesn't know who is going to kill her. Her prophetic dreams have failed to show her despite repeated attempts.
>>281968780>worship of the goddess started AFTER the fall of the great human empire, when demons were first becoming a problemWhere did you get this idea? The series has to my knowledge never spoken of a time when "demons were first becoming a problem." Nor has there been any indication of a great human empire from before Flamme's time.If the Empire of Flamme's time is what you mean, then you're pretty off on the timeline as goddess worship was already well established back then. Heck, priest was a recognizable cast even back when Kraft had his big adventure.
>>281968780>What we know about the goddess:You left out a few other details:>Only certain people can use any but the most basic of goddess magic. If you are not born as such a person then you can't do it.>These same chosen people are blessed with resistance to curses, said to be a sign of the goddess' favor toward them.
>>281969153Shadow warriors were an interesting concept when they were a forgotten unit and the old man was the only one left. It should have been left to that
>>281967867>most op being ever.That horse died when she got rocked by Solitar in a 1v1 and had no choice but to bring in Fern to make it a 2v1. The dead horse got tossed into a ditch when Grausam literally one shot her. And then the village kids started poking the corpse with sticks when Radal casually pinned and disabled her.>>281968865Well, Lowe's goal is to eliminate magic itself. Serie is kind of the embodiment of magic. It's less about any threat she poses and more about destroying what she represents.
TOTAL UBEL AND LAND VICTORY
>>281969377yeah, several things he wrote are wrong. The goddess purportedly walked the earth back during the age of myths (literally a prehistoric time), the time from which Serie hails. Serie notes that it's been so long that demonkind has forgotten its fear of her, basically laying out that they've been around since then too (and that she used to slaughter them back then). The goddess scriptures were gifted to the world 1500 years ago. The unified empire was thriving roughly 1000 years ago when Flamme was born. Also the demon king was already active and the great war had already begun by then.
>>281969779>another smug girl who isnt afraid tropethe author doesnt have a lot range do they
>>281955822>Huh, so prophetic dream magic can even be used like this
>>281970497>Serie uses the spell to check on a random future where she molests her disciples.
The goddess scriptures came into existence at roughly the same time Frieren was born. I'm sure that is a complete coincidence.
>>281970735Serie is the goddess and lied about meeting her
>>281953876Death by Ubel, because death by one of your own people isn't going to start an international political crisis.
>>281970921Serie has yet to make any reference to the goddess at all, let alone to meeting her.
>>281971099I'm getting Mandela'd because I could have sworn there was a line about her meeting the goddessEither way, she's the one
>>281970735The Goddess is an active agent and clearly Frieren is at the centre of her meddlingI mean she literally sent her back in time
>>281971226The goddess is portrayed as looking more mature than Serie.
>>281960328>Serie gets her head cut off>Sein just glues it back together with his chad divine magic
nobody will die
>>281971309Frieren's trip accomplished 3 things of note.Giving Frieren a little therapy.Killing Grausan's flunky, Zart. (No, not saving Himmel's party from Zart. Zart only attacked them because of the temporal disturbance. He wouldn't have even been there without the time travel in play.)Granting Grausam and Solitar access to Frieren's memories of the future.Take your pick on which of these was the Goddess' primary purpose for sending Frieren into the past.
>>281971043Ah, that would be interesting. Serie has Ubel teamkill her because that cock-blocks the actual assassination attempt and prevents a war.
>>281971867Kys
>>281972233Optional thing number 4: Frieren now knows the time travel incantation. She can't cast it whenever she wants, but it means that if she comes across another goddess monument that works the same way she should be able to use that one too. This time travel trip could have been the practice run to prepare her for the important one that comes later.
>>281972233It also influenced the course of Himmel's life and gave him a different perspective on Frieren and his relationship with her, namely the knowledge that she would eventually appreciate him a great deal more.Grausem also lost an arm during the fight. Assuming demon's can't regenerate limbs and Grausem was indeed killed in a later encounter, that injury may have helped.
>>281969683>this world was created by a goddess with an intentional abundance of magic>here's my bright idea: fight against the will of a goddess and petulantly reject the reality that she wove into existenceunimaginable hubris. it's like the demons positioning themselves as enemies of the goddess. if she created the world, she probably created demons too.
>>281967986>They're theorized to have evolved naturally from monstersIs it a theory though? Frieren speaks of it as a pretty established fact, like it is recorded somewhere that demons originally were just monsters that mimicked human voices to lure them closer. Solitar also supports the idea with her explanation for why demons do not understand certain human emotions.
>>281972341based immunity dog
>>281973126yes, it's likely. If that's true, it's also possible that she simply sees them as unruly and rebellious children rather than enemies.As for Lowe, it's also worth remembering that before Flamme there was a major stigma against magic. He probably has a same school of thought. Something akin to magic = demon mumbo jumbo.
>>281964976>most beloved of the Elven race,citation required
>>281973793At least half the frieren discourse here is people making shit up. I'm convinced that /a/ is just a low IQ board
>>281966588cute
>>281969683>no one is invincible, the post
I will be disappointed if Serie diesI will be disappointed if she livesI will be disappointed if Frieren asspulls a saveI will be disappointed if Frieren is clowned on.I cannot win no matter what. Fuck
>>281973793nta, but Serie does seem to have far more fanatical followers than Frieren or Kraft. Frieren is known about and revered, but not specifically beloved by many people aside from her travelling companions and old party member. Serie, on the other hand, seems to have a weird pseudo-parental relationship with many of her pupils and they seem (especially Sense) to be quite fond of her. But yeah, there's no basis for claiming that she is the "most beloved" because that's kind of hard to quantify and was not really defined.
>>281974331So it's literally just some, not all, of her apprentices. Hardly a representative sample.
>>281969683>rocked by Solitar in a 1v1 and had no choice but to bring in Fern to make it a 2v1The only reason is because she was analysing the Golden Lands at the same time as fighting her so she could end both fights at once, so depowered herself throughout. She's just doing the same trick as she does for all demons, making them underestimate her.It's amazing how many people seem to struggle to follow what happens in that fight, it's literally explained in the text too
>>281973227I think Frieren just relays Flamme's research.
>>281974303or option 5Friren pulls a save that is not an asspul, but rather was set up / hinted at before.
>>281954009>Uses Frieren's future memories to fake her own death.>Uses Grausam's help to disguise herself as a human (Ubels Sister)>Raise Ubel to have a fucked up demon-esque mindset, enabling her to use her broken cutting magic.>Serie dies to a cut she can't see coming no matter how hard she tries.This is the master plan.
>>281974463Not quite true though, she had to resort to dispelling the curse because she could not pierce Solitar's defenses. She needed a surprise hit and gambled that Fern was still alive
>>281974463The only reason she started analyzing the golden land at the same time was because she needed Fern's help. Yes, the text makes this clear with Frieren's internal monologue making it plain that she's taking a huge gamble since she doesn't even know that Fern is still alive. But she had no choice. Frieren was outclassed.It's exactly what Serie was talking about when she said Frieren wasn't exceptional for her age since she neglected the fundamentals to focus more on her mana suppression. In Solitar, Frieren was actually going against a peer (Frieren herself noting that there was no real difference between their mana levels) but one who thanks to prior research, Frieren's suppression trick was rendered useless. In short, Frieren was disadvantaged from the start.Meanwhile the fight came down to these factsSolitar's offense > Frieren's defense. Like Frieren said, she couldn't block Solitar's attacks. She had to focus on making sure Solitar never hit a vital or she'd die in one hit.Solitar's defense >>> Frieren's offense. This is the big one. Frieren couldn't hurt Solitar. She threw the kitchen sink at her and she landed exactly one hit in the entire fight. And that hit landed because she outplayed Solitar by getting her to drop her guard by pretending to drop her own guard. After that, she failed to land a single blow again.It is amazing how many people don't understand that fight though. Mostly because they can't move past their idea that Frieren is invincible. It's a wake up call, just like the mist demon fight is for people glazing Fern.
>>281974780Solitar NO DIFFS FRIEREN??? it's over...
>>281974780>since she neglected the fundamentalsNo one said that though. >In Solitar, Frieren was actually going against a peerNot entirely true either. Solitar had the element of surprise having researched her. Had Frieren done the same she could have used the concentrated Zoltraak spell as Solitar wouldn't have seen it before.The biggest difference is that demons are natively better at their control over magic compared to humans or elves, so Solitar had an ingrained advantage.
>>281974780>Mostly because they can't move past their idea that Frieren is invincibleShe outright said she lost before to 11 mages with lesser mana. I don't think anyone is making the claim she is invincible.
>>281974745>>281974780Neither of these things are what happened lolShe said at the start of the fight, 'i need to analyse the Golden Lands before I can dispell it' and then immediately gets to fighting The thing that Solitar didn't expect was that she was analysing the Golden Lands the entire time they were fighting. This is very clearly expressed both in the text and visually as Solitar can see she is limiting her mana, but the limiting of mana is because she's diverting resources to magical analysis not keeping up the trick Solitär already researched and worked out she was doing This is how Frieren gets her, she's playing the same trick of making her underestimate her but she totally blind sides her as to the exact reasons her mana is so surpressed.It's going to be even more obvious in the anime since everyone will be asking 'why isn't Frieren creating black holes, or summoning rock golems or fracturing reality like she didn't against her replica'
>>281974780I agree overall but a few points are a bit off.>It's exactly what Serie was talking about when she said Frieren wasn't exceptional for her age since she neglected the fundamentals to focus more on her mana suppression. Serie didn't say Frieren had neglected fundamentals, rather she said focusing on other magic besides suppression would have made Frieren more powerful. She also didn't exactly say Frieren was unexceptional so much as "relatively unskilled for her age," and I think we can place some doubts on that assessment given the things Frieren has accomplished that Serie thought were impossible (and were unrelated to mana suppression) such as undoing the golden land curse.>Solitar's defense >>> Frieren's offense. This is the big one. Frieren couldn't hurt Solitar. The one caveat here is that she did hurt Solitar, just not enough to win. In a battle of attrition Solitar's greater durability would mean she would outlast and win.
>>281975394Frieren threw everything she thought would work including the hellfire and nothing penetrated Solitar's defenses. >>281974780>Solitar's offense > Frieren's defenseNot sure that's true.The difference is in defenses. It's not that Solitar could pierce magic defense purely because her attacks were so strong, but rather than defense shields were pretty poor compared to Solitar's demon defenses.
>>281975592>The one caveat here is that she did hurt Solitar, just not enough to winThey were both equally hurt towards the end of the fight. Frieren simply decided to play it smart and take a calculated gamble since a fight of attrition would not be a good option.
>>281975602>Frieren threw everything she thought would work including the hellfire and nothing penetrated Solitar's defensesUntil she gets a power up from somewhere, now we know she didn't actually get a power up but at the flick of a switch she goes from getting beat up and only just being able to defend to smashing Solitar around the place with new more powerful attacks and casually dodging her attacks like they were nothingThe reason should be clear and it's shown visually too, she is now utilising more mana, which is because she stops diverting as much to analysing the Golden Lands. Just after this she holds back saying the needs more time, she was trying to get the analysis done asap but had to recalibrate when the fight got tough so it just took longer in the end
>>281953714>Peaceful fallSo he just inherently assumes the current state of the empire is unsustainable and will collapse?
>>281975816The panels you posted substantiate your claim to some extent, but my point was that even if she used more mana, she still had no attack to pierce Solitar's defense otherwise she wouldn't have relied on Fern.
>>281954009The series has shown multiple times so far that humans have a lot more potential and power than you'd think. Flamme alone made so much shit current humans can enjoy prosperity with magic.
>>281976026Flamme was, by all accounts, some absolute bullshit. No human mage before or since has done so much to advance the field of magic in so little time, and shit she made a thousand years ago is still seen as the unrivaled, irreproducible work of a genius to this day by basically everyone. Elves, humans, and demons all can do nothing but seethe at how fucking good at magic Flamme was and how powerless they are do to anything about anything she made. If there was a Flamme-tier wizard even just once every 100 years, demons would probably be extinct by now.
Frieren was also aware during the prophetic dream, she was the only one who picked up Series big mana detection in ch139, same chapter the dream happened. She thought this was her trying to pick a fight with Frase, which is what actually happens in the dream
Does Serie shave down there?How does she smell?
>>281977155Probably not.Like heaven.
>>281977046That's an interesting theory. It would also explain the "serie on rooftop" situation in both scenes
Solitar is the key to everything. Trust the plan.
>>281977155Elves don't grow body hairLike flowers
>>281969163Doesn't matter, since there's more Serie. I prefer Serie over Frieren anyways.
>>281977729>Reads a manga just for a side character that only plays an active role every 50 or 60 chapters and whose entire purpose is to make Frieren look better Simps are something else lmao
>>281965889Its nothing personal. Their king just had a beef with some people that were high threats to his kingdom and put them on a list.The shadow warriors are just a separated cell that went rogue and are finishing the job despite all the people, ideals and list are outdated and dead.Its basically a cult that makes no sense since it's run by psychos.
>>281977046>>281977243Different events, Serie here was "scanning" the entire empire, not having a prophetic dream. We also see on page 13 of the new chapter that Serie is having her dream while sitting on a big couch, not on a rooftop.
>>281978092The lists are different things for different purposes. The emperor didn't even make the list, other officials and even the shadow warriors were deciding for themselves who to kill. It's why they were disbanded.
>>281978112No the image that Frieren has of her on the rooftop matches her dream where she was talking with the Emperor looking over the city Also super weird that Frieren is the only one to notice the scanning Serie was doing and Fern couldn't when she said it was super obviousPlus she's not tying to fight Frase in the current, she knows fighting Frase is one of the futures that leads to her death as we would have seen if the dream continued
>>281976697>No human mage before or since has done so much to advance the field of magic in so little time, and shit she made a thousand years ago is still seen as the unrivaled, irreproducible work of a genius to this day by basically everyone. Elves, humans, and demons all can do nothing but seethe at how fucking good at magic Flamme was and how powerless they are do to anything about anything she made.I wouldn't go that far. Flamme wasn't able to fly and many other useful spells were invented by people other than her, and her barriers can be manipulated by those who know the spell (it's how they let the demons into that city protected by her barrier). Frieren respects her but doesn't see her as some unmatchable paragon, and Serie outright remarks that as talented as Flamme was she never reached her own heights of magic.
>>281978227>Also super weird that Frieren is the only one to notice the scanning Serie was doing and Fern couldn't when she said it was super obviousFern did notice the scanning, she just didn't know what it was she felt beyond that it was very powerful.
>>281978399She's talking about Frase's ability, doesn't seem she picked up on Serie's scanning because it's the former that's causing her to feel uneasy
>>281978576Except Frase' scanning is stated to be weak and hard to detect, doesn't Frieren outright say Serie is picking a fight with someone they can't sense? I don't have the viz translation handy.
>>281978165Yeah but the hits are ancient, doubt its being updated much. They are basically following the philosophy of someone dead just cuz.
>>281978901>doesn't Frieren outright say Serie is picking a fight with someone they can't sense?No, she can sense it but it's weak. The point is that Frieren thinks Serie is trying to pick a fight with the person watching over the whole city but she doesn't know who that person is yet
>>281969007We know they want, she was on the list from 80 years ago.
>>281953876This happens but Sein reattaches her head.
>>281972388like the curse that will engulf the planet in 8 years?
Why does every major character in this story engage in time travel? It's getting annoying.
>>281953876STOP LIKING EVIL WOMEN /A/
>>281976697It's easier to be Euclides in ancient greece than in the modern day, as more knowledge is accumulated the harder it gets to make groundbreaking discoveries.Fern will be Newton, and the Goddess is Einstein adding time travel to que equation.
>>281979572Could be. I wouldn't be surprised if the culmination that has to happen here is a sort of repeat/combo of the themes of Qual, El Dorado, and the time travel arc itself: Frieren has to see the curse that will engulf the planet herself, with her own eyes, and study it. So that she can go back in time, and give herself the centuries she needs to come up with a countermeasure. And then return to the present and dispel the curse with her preptime solution she got out of the hyperbolic time chamber.
>>281979686????????
>>281979746The hero party was part of a time travel plot. The great demons are part of a time travel plot. The hero of the South was part of a time travel plot. Serie is part of a time travel plot. Time travel plots are the only way this author knows to foreshadow future events.
>>281978576But does Fern say she didn't notice Serie's scan?
>>281979686Prophetic dreams is an anime trope, like killing intent. Everybody does it. heck, I've done it. It doesn't count enough to be time travel. Serie is an elf, that's all the more reason to do it.
>>281979868None of them (outside theories in this thread) time traveled aside from Frieren (and only her mind). Plots where characters plan for things that they hope to do in the future are not "time travel plots."
>>281979744or she could go back in time to kill the demon casting it, why bother with the long term solution?But for some reason I'm thinking that problem will be for humans to solve.
>>281980001All time travel we have seen so far has been cumulative, not iterative. Which is to say: nothing in the story so far indicates that it is possible to CHANGE the past, only to have impacts that you were previously unaware of. All instances of time travel and future sight have already happened and resolved, there is no such thing as 'new' time travel interferences, they have ALL already happened.
>>281978227>No the image that Frieren has of her on the rooftop matches her dream where she was talking with the Emperor looking over the cityThe perspective is different. When Serie is bullying Frase, Serie is level with the rooftops, but from the emperors palace she's looking down on them.
>>281980273She fought Frase on the way and she was going to leave the Emperor by jumping off the wallEither way in the image of Serie when Frieren is thinking about her she is rooftop level, yet all we have seen her do is enter the city by carriage and walk into the square
Why did she do it?
>>281980647land couldn't satisfy her
We agree that this is by far the worst arc in the series, right?
>>281980820no that would be literally every arc
>>281980820I'm enjoying it, just disliked the hiatus. Hard to say there is any arc I would call "worst" in this series.
>>281980820The only issue with this arc are the long hiatus.
>>281977729>There's more Serienot for long
>>281978003counterpoint: thighs
>>281979736>Fern will be NewtonDo Fernfags really?
>>281981170given how this manga is structured, i can assure you that even if she dies, serie will appear many.... many more times
>>281980904It's a total mess. Magic special forces this, shadow warriors that, 1000 new worthless characters, I don't give a fuck! Just get Frieren & co back on the road
>>281980820It needs to end first. It could end up being the worst, or one of the best depending on where it goes.
Demons have emotions, Matcht got angry when Siere said he couldn't understand humanity. So what gives, its much more than pride or anger.
>>281981269>serie will appear many.... many more timesDoesn't serve much narrative purpose.
Serie won't die. This arc is to resolve her tsunderess in a hopeful and nostalgic way. That's all.There will be some emotional scene about Serie, Flamme and Frieren at the end of the arc, people are gonna cry, and Serie will give Frieren's party good luck into their way to Ende. These 2 will get close in honoring the memory of Flamme.That's it.
>>281979933No it isn't. Prophecy in Japanese stories is typically limited to "the chosen one will defeat the demon king". Lord of the Rings, the codifier of western fantasy also barely makes use of prophecy. There it's just very wise people making accurate predictions. In Frieren every powerful person can literally see the future using magic.
>>281981368> its much more than pride or anger.Why would you assume that? Somebody calling you a dumbass would be enough to get you mad.
>>281981192counterpoint: not as cute
>>281980820It's a mess and it needs to wrap up sooner than later but at least the last chapter gives a point to it all. All these new goons that got thrown at the wall was absolutely pointless though, who gives a fuck about Gazelle or whoever else I can't remember the name of
>>281981418>Serie will give Frieren's party good luck into their way to EndeAbsolute copium. People will be right to shit on the series if they go the route of "no important character is killed, even in situations that would make sense for it; on top of that, they all end up as friends and everyone was happy in the end"
>>281981528Anon, that ship has sailed as soon as Frieren got herself out of this situation. You know how it's going to end.
>>281981331>It needs to end firstHopefully sooner rather than later
>>281981528>People will be right to shit on the series if they go the route of "no important character is killed, even in situations that would make sense for it; on top of that, they all end up as friends and everyone was happy in the end"Why? Frieren is not a typical battle shounen with high stakes and life or death battles all the time like JJK or something. That part of the story was reserved for the Hero Party's Journey, when many people died.It's a post War peaceful era, and although Demons are reorganizing, no danger at the level of the Demon King is close to rise up.The author chose this post Hero's Journey's timeline to focus on the emotions of the characters.
>>281981434The guy was literally dead pan in every panel but that one.
>>281981368What are you asking? What emotions do demons have? It's well established they have most of the emotions humans do, they can feel happiness, sadness, fear, anger, etc. They can even be fond of things. What they don't have is malice, empathy or guilt.
>>281954036Surely she tried not going to the fucking ball right? The assassin gets to her this day no matter what.
>>281980647Weil sie Übel ist.
>>281954973Serie is Frieren's grandma? I didn't remember this
>>281981644He wasn't insulted in every panel.
>>281981605That was a good chapter and it ended in a way that made sense.If this arc ends up with Serie wishing Frieren good luck after a millenia of animosity, this would be an asspull.
>>281981766>That was a good chapter and it ended in a way that made sense.How did Frieren know she could talk-no-justu Radar instead of dying on the spot? Did she read the script?
>>281981626Because there needs to be some narrative tension, and right now the shonen like chapter outnumber the SoL ones.
>>281981727They're either joking or making it up.>>281981661Hard to say, all we know is she has tried a number of different means.>>281981803She could tell from how he was acting (namely that he didn't continue the attack and instead tried to threaten Fern to not attack him) that he "feared death" which there was a chance to talk him down.
>>281981803She used her fucking head, just like she deduced the guy had been training despite his position in the village not requiring it.It's not all that uncommon to consider that a person who has worn a mask for the past decades ended up becoming the mask.
>>281981861>which thereMeant to put a "meant" between those words.
>>281953230>the elf that actually acted as an elf in a manga that is considered to be the elf manga of today based on meme elf purposely written wrong by current day readers>killed>it will keep going after that and current day readers will happily consume their meme elf content, no missing herthe state of literature today, bah
Right. Frieren, famously charismatic and persuasive, came up with a plan that required putting her life on the line for the chance she could negotiate her enemy into not killing her. What a master plan...
>>281981991Nobody is saying that. They're saying that once Frieren did find herself in that situation she knew Radar wouldn't kill her if it meant he would die as well. Besides, there was no opportunity to negotiate with him before he attacked.
>>281981991>being this obtuse on purposeShe did not plan to end up with a knife to her head, but since it happened it's not like she had many options.
>>281981806>Because there needs to be some narrative tensionWhy? It's the not purpose of the story.
>>281981948>character barely related to the story can die and the story and its protagonist can continueNo way
>>281982120I would agree with you if the story was about SoL first, shonen second, but it's the other way around. Most of the time it's spent on big intrigue or action arcs, and not having any narrative tension makes the readers feels less enaged.
>>281981806>shonen likeThis is a shonen series. There are no "shonen like" chapters, it's all shonen.>>281981528So your only argument is "I wouldn't like it". Series surviving, learning, and adapting would be very much in the spirit of the series. Do you expect the answer to "maybe the students who suprise me by not focusing on battle can envision solutions I cannot" to be "lmao no they can't"?
>>281965889the SW are just hired muscle, the one against magic is some guy from the empire.tho i wouldnt be surprised his reasoning is 'some mage fucked my wife' or some shit. it makes as much sense for someone who wants to see the world destroyed, given how magic in general was one of the key reasons the Hero's party managed to defeat the demon lord.
>>281982074>>281982104If Frieren did *not* know Radar was going to spare her ahead of time, then it's even worse. That means a random dude with a knife easily defeated and killed Freiren despite her preparation, and she was only saved by plot armor. This means a dude with a knife can also easily kill Serie, and all this theorycrafting is pointless. Dude with a knife >>> all mages.
>>281982262My point is that if she survives, her change as a character should be minimal at best. Maybe not being a bitch to Frieren for once, which would be an improvement, but definitelly no "and Serie wished everyone safe travels" type of conclusion.
>>281968071Frieren is saying that because she actually cares about Serie regardless of what them both believe.after losing Himmel and Heiter, she is decided now to not let anyone go away if she can do anything about it. Frieren, Fern and Stark will be the ones who will save Serie at the last moment like the heroes they are. if Serie dies, it will ONLY be because she kills herself, or arranged for a fourth party to kill her.
>>281982368What preparation? She knew she might come but she was blitzed by a type of enemy she never encountered before. In addition to concealing their mana he was clearly a very skilled warrior and they literally explain to us that mages are vulnerable to warriors in close quarters.
>>281982394I think she'll still be smug and bratty, the primary change will be growing more of an appreciation for Flamme's and Frieren's philosophy.
>>281981431>Prophecy in Japanese stories is typically limited to "the chosen one will defeat the demon king".I'm talking about prophetic dreams. Definitely a trope. Normals non-magical people have those. Same as killing intent, it's just basic. Powers 101.>Lord of the Rings, the codifier of western fantasy also barely makes use of prophecy. There it's just very wise people making accurate predictions.Point is you see elves use some altar to make predictions in the movies, it's elves specifically as they're more attuned to the mystical, Serie (an elf) says it's a complicated process, that's similar. There's a long story behind this with the Greeks, who make ultra-accurate predictions, probably why he calls her clarvoyant.
>>281982512And that would make sense, but not >Serie will give Frieren's party good luck into their way to Ende.
>>281982559Depends on how it's played out. A scene where Frieren and co. go forward while Serie and Sense wave at them Pokemon style would be meme-worthy but Serie teasing Frieren goodbye but ending with "also... give Flamme my best" would be reasonable. Not some complete 180, just making her admitting both to herself and Frieren that she cares, something she wasn't able to do in the Exam arc.
>>281982652That sounds reasonable
>>281981441counterpoint: delectable cleavage
>>281981727Frieren is Flamme's daughter, and Flamme is Serie's daughter
>>281982855counterpoint: charming goofball
>>281981390and what do you know of narrative purpose? the author could do literally anything to make her relevant again in a flashback. you don't have to argue with everything, mister contrarian, being quiet is also an option.
If Serie was sitting around aura farming and doing the Aizen bit the whole arc, ie, complete confidence in her upcoming victory always wearing a knowing smirk transmitting the message she’s in control, etc, then I’d be a LITTLE concerned about her dying. Only a little because this manga doesn’t kill named major characters who aren’t demons. But EVERY time she predicts her own death with certainty it raises a giant anti-death flag. She’s promised the reader her own death so often now that her dying is impossible.
How did Macht block soul tracks? I thought the shielding required for that is relatively now.
>>281982934that's both of them
>>281983225Well sure, but you've a prophecy now, the more things like that you have, not predictions but parts of the magic power system, the more hoops the author will have to go through in case she doesn't die to explain why that is and maintain consistency.
>>281983169>he author could do literally anything to make her relevant again in a flashback.Whatever makes you cope
Also…..has ANYONE explained why the literal Emperor and his own forces can’t control this rogue warrior band and have no choice but to accept that the SWs will freely attack a palace function and visiting VIPs? Like what?
>>281983285Hard disagree
>>281983401They don't know their identities from what I remember.
>>281983401The writer doesn't understand politics. Very common. See: the Attack on Titan mangaka.
>>281983259He turns his scarf into gold to block anything.
>>281983285Nobody cares about this gremlinRemember she finished below the Mimic and the Continental Magic Association Receptionist in the official character popularity pollNips think she's repulsive
How come no demon has even tried picking up a knife and instakilling Frieren? Are they stupid?
>>281966588comfy kino
>>281983515I don't form my opinions based on what other people like or dislike. That's something women do.
>>281983515>in the official character popularity pollThe meme ones where people voted multiple times?
>>281983534>How come a wolf doesn't use a gun to hunt deer, are they stupid?They're evolved to rely primarily on magic
>>281983401The masons something
>>281983598Anon, plenty of demons use weapons.
>>281983500No, I am rereading, he used shields too.
>>281983259>>281983500He also knows defense magic if I recall right, taught to him by Solitar who learned it from studying humans. We see in flashbacks that by 50 years ago Zoltraak (and thus the defense magic to defend against it) was being used by humans, as Macht remarks he is a superior user of the spell compared to humans.In short, it's not that new of a spell. It was new to Qual because he had been sealed for 80 years.
>>281983634I know, but they're probably still acting by magic rules primarily. That being said it's fair to say that there might be demons who are warrior like and who could blitz Frieren at close quarters. When she genocided demons on her first journey she had EIsen and Himmel as vanguards.
>>281983534>Trying to knife a knife-earsDon't try it
>>281983534The excuse for everything demons is that magic is all that matters to them. They can learn about anything a human can learn about, but they can’t get over magic / mana > all else so the idea of using anything except their magic to attack someone would be analogous to asking a human to attack someone with words; a human would understand that attacking with words is possible but no one would consider for a moment that it may be more effective than using a weapon.
>>281983534>>281983634Frieren's strategy is to not get involved in fights with demons where she does not have a plan to win. She has no issue with fleeing if she's at a disadvantage.Also, there are very few demon warriors that are as fast and strong as shadow warriors. Frieren would be at just as much of a disadvantage in close quarters with them.
>>281983802You're not remembering the demon warrior class, shoguns. They use magic but to enhance their bodies and weapons, not as attack spells, and they are not considered in any way inferior among demons.
>>281983806>there are very few demon warriors that are as fast and strong as shadow warriorsPure speculation. Rivale would probably stomp them
>>281983843Not a proper comparison regardless, as Rivale's threat was largely due to the nature of his swords and extra arms and how that changed his fighting style, not due to him being faster or stronger than a powerful human warrior.
>>281983806Linie was one such warrior, and if she had grown up she’d probably become a powerhouse. There’s probably other warrior-types floating around the world, but they’re of the younger post-war generation who, without a demon society to fit into anymore are trash compared to their ancestors as Frieren commented on.
>>281983843>>281983960Oops, scratch that, thought you meant the serpent demon.Also, Rivale is considered THE strongest demon warrior. Of course he'd likely stomp most of the Shadow Warriors. He's an exception among exceptions, hence why I said there are very few demons that fast and strong.
Wild theory: just like Solitar taught Macht human magic, she used him to learn demon magic. Solitar believed she could defeat Macht, meaning she had a countermeasure for Di Agolze. Ergo, she knows (a weaker version) of Di Agolze, and will use it when she inevitably returns.
>>281953022I'm not opposed to Serie dying in story but being killed by Empire assassins, especially after all what happen in this arc would be lame
>>281983992Radaal absolutely humiliated Stark in a way Linie couldn't, and it was a Stark from more than two years ago in her case. The old man would kill her before she could even know what's up.
>>281984168Ironically, the shadow warriors are probably bad matchups against demons. Demons are more durable than humans, so getting slashed in the neck instantly kill Freiren, but not a demon.
Why did Solitaire free Matcht, why now.
>>281983711Oh right he spent a good season post demon king with humans.
>>281984250Solitar describes it as beings with a lot of mana are naturally more durable. Honestly while Frieren does regard it as a near-death, Radaal may still not have had an "easy" time delivering a killing cut (as in he'd have to put a lot of strength into it compared to killing a normal person).
>>281984274I assume for the same reason she willingly marched towards her death. Something to do with time travel prophecy bullshit to save the demon race.
>>281984168Fine, but the point is that Linie was still a kid. I mean I assume she was because demons appear to have physical aging up to a certain point and she was clearly in physical adolescence — perhaps that’s why she used Eisen’s style because it best fit her small stature. If she had grown to maturity I bet she could be a monster.
>>281983534Demons don't care about Frieren, they only care about self preservation.
>>281953022>no more smug FJsthe continental magic association has fallen
>>281984524>Serie has fallen, billions (of imperials) must die
Isn't Ubel slash easy to counter if you know the trick? Magic is visualization and she can cut whatever she thinks she can cut because she is a lunatic that doesn't care what she is cutting. You could have the strongest shield and it will be cut if she thinks its made of paper. But wouldn't this also work the other way around?Say you know she is a total psycho and know the trick, you could also visualize her slash is basically air and that normal shields will work. Would your reality over impose hers?
>>281984811The reality-warping ability is unique to Ubel. For everyone else imagination only limits power, it doesn't increase it.
Sex for the sake of procreation with Land.
>>281984811That would only conceivably work if you also had that insane visualization ability.Also, normal shields already do work because Ubel cannot perceive them as anything but an obstacle.
>>281984904Get out of this thread, Ubel
>>281984904Ubel is supposedly still a death seeker, so she'd probably only want sex for pleasure for now.
>>281984904t. Serie to Ubel
Match death is such a fascinating chapter. All the previous chapters made you think he actually cared in his own fucked up way but the moment his chest is pierced his self preservation instinct kicks in and he doesn't care about anything else, does he even realize it?Denken basically said "die with me" and he didn't care despite all the previous chapters he didn't stop praising Denken or the multiple outs he gave him, he just starts running.But then he is found by some villagers that have no reason to distrust him, hell they could help him heal or hide him but he just ignores them and continues walking, then he founds his masters and follows through the old servant charade despite serving no purpose, he still runs anyways, such an odd mechanized instinct.
>>281985302I think you misread that. Macht thinks about what a demon should do in this situation, then wonders why he is not doing it. He doesn't understand why he is going in the direction he is, namely to the man who had become perhaps the closest thing to a human friend a demon could have. Then, despite claiming he has taken the man as a hostage, he makes no attempt to actually make him a hostage and lets him walk away. The whole scene is to show that Macht had changed, if only a little and that he still had no comprehension of it.
>>281985368I guess. Funny he kneeled to a human when he never cared about the demon king.
>>281984127I think Serie's death requires good execution and part of that will depend on the character of Löwe. He's a warrior that was skilled enough to kill an elven mage in the past; so in theory it should be possible to do it again. We just need to see more of his character motivation as well as well as a proper flashback and discussion regarding the elf(Minus) in question.
>>281975394>It's going to be even more obvious in the anime since everyone will be asking 'why isn't Frieren creating black holes, or summoning rock golems or fracturing reality like she didn't against her replica'The manga made it a point to have Frieren use everything she used against her replica in the manga fight. The same thing will happen in the anime. You'll see everything you've seen her use against Solitar and you'll see Solitar no sell all of it.
>>281973415>>281972341
>>281975602>Not sure that's true.It's absolutely true according to Frieren herself.
>>281984017>when she inevitably returnsAnon...
>>281983802>>281983841I wonder if there is some unknown demon currently living or once living that used magic to alter themselves. If their magic is beyond the comprehension of the other races; why hasn't an introspective demon such as DK/Macht/Solitaire thought about manipulation or altering their mind/body/soul.Would be cool if we saw a demon like that in the future. And I don't want the obvious "Demon that can empathize/understand humans" from this. I want a demon that's to weird and out there that they are completely alien to every other living being in the series, other demons included.
