Shinkai wins again baby

>>282036080
No doubt

>>282036059
Still havent made anything better than wolf children

Good. The animation is trash.

Why did he stop making cute movies about family? Who asked for this grimderp fantasy slop, in 3D no less?

TIFF and NYFF are Scarlet’s absolute last shot at Oscar relevance, but I'm calling it now for Best Animated Feature:
Zootopia 2
KPop Demon Hunters
Arco
Little Amelie
In Your Dreams

>>282036353
Who the fuck cares

>>282036233
He was never good. It's just that his niche died

>ADAM SOLOMONS
Into the trash it goes

>>282036591
He was good and his films were well received, unlike this shit that has obviously no audience

>>282036059
>At the 2021 Cannes Film Festival, the film received a 14-minute-standing ovation
If even a piece of shit like Belle got this kind of overwhelmingly positive reaction how bad must his new film be?

>>282036059
What is with the random sci fi guy in a jumpsuit?

>>282036059
>>It amounts to a frustrating waste of animation and directorial skill at the expense of an overly mediocre story.
Nigga, that's ALL his movies. Are people just NOW realizing this?

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>>282036059
When will he return to the digimon dungeons?
Even he knows he peaked with our war game.

>>282036912
Nope. The quality of the writing dropped when ditched his screenwriter and thought he could write the movies himself for some reason. The first movie he wrote was Boy and the Beast and there was immediately and enormous difference from his past works.

>>282036059
I will still watch the movie and see for myself.

>>282036059
Japs are always terrible when it comes to serious stories, the most they can do is make feel-good Ghibli type movies about family, nature and idealistic romance stories

>>282036920
That's not even his best Digimon movie

>>282036059
Why should I give a shit about a pretentious film festival? The only things that get any praise from them are CP and effeminate men crying.

>>282036633
>He was good and his films were well received
Nope and NOPE. Even his best recieved film (Wolf Children) had issues. Boy and the Beast is terrible, Mirai is forgettable and Belle was him trying to suck up to westcucks and remaking Our War Game AGAIN. Hosoda has always been garbage

>>282037194
our war game is better than summer wars

>>282037173
>feel-good Ghibli type movies about family, nature and idealistic romance stories
Even these are shallow. Ghibli's best story is Porco Rosso and it's depressing as hell.

>>282037071
>The first movie he wrote was Boy and the Beast and there was immediately and enormous difference from his past works.
He wrote Wolf Children which had the same issues

>>282036059
That means it's good

>>282036750
Yeah, that's definitely a red flag lol

whats up with the insane trend of amateur writers being tasked with making terrible scripts and tens of millions in resources being poured to animate the terrible scripts

they can read, right?

>>282037280
Wolf Children still had Satoko Okudera who wrote all his previous movies.

>>282036633
>Girl Who Leapt through Time
Turns to shit in the 3rd act
>Summer Wars
Ripoff of Our War Game
>Wolf Children
Turns to shit in the 3rd act
>Boy and the Beast
By far his worst movie
>Mirai
Annoying kid character brings it down and positive is that its mostly forgettable
>Belle
A worse Summer Wars

>>282037267
lol
lmao

>>282037254
I will still give this movie a genuine chance just for the fact that he didn't go back to the OWG well for the fourth(fifth?) time

>>282037267
No, and it's not even better than Born of Koromon.

>>282036059
Aren't these the same "critics" who gave Miyazaki an Oscar for the piece of garbage that was his last film?

>>282037423
Summer Wars/OWG is "holy shit, TWO cakes" for me. Haters are genetic failures.

>>282036750
Belle is his best movie by a mile and one of the best anime movies of the decade you tasteless incel trash. At WORST it is only second behind Wolf's Children.

>>282037254
Belle was him trying to suck up to westcucks and remaking Our War Game AGAIN.
And it was his best version of it by far. And he absolutely showed up his contemporaries with that film; no other anime director in Japan can make a musical. Nevermind one with songs as beautiful as Belle has.

>>282037520
Summer Wars is the only film from him I enjoyed but its pretty much a OWG ripoff

>>282036059
>review sites
their opinion is worth less than garbage

>>282036080
I dunno'. Five cm/sec was dumb, and I dunno what people love so much about Suzume or Your Name. Hosoda made Wolf's Children and Belle, he cleares for me; so much so that I can even overlook The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.

>a Hamlet adaptation
Oookay, that is something I absolutely did NOT expect from the guy.

Wow.

What's with retards always throwing a tantrum about Hosoda taking the premise of Our War Game and developing it into an original movie? You know that it was modeled after Wargames (1983) to begin with, right? It wasn't a new concept.

Even the early top reviews on Letterboxd are so divided; fuck me I'm all the more interested now. Can't wait foe this film to get a wide release date already.

>>282036080
Eww mid shit

>>282037254
>Boy and the Beast is terrible
haha very funny contrarian take. Lemme summon a gigantic water whale to decimate you

>>282036080
Jokes aside, I wonder if Shinkai hoarding so many high profile animators for his movies was a factor in Hosoda going for this ugly CGI thing.

>>282037874
It was pretty bad. Between the edgelord antagonist, the insipid love interest and all the embarrassing teenage angst it was though for the dad/son interactions to save it.

>>282036059
Pity, but not unexpected

I love the shit out of Belle; only anime movie I went out of my way to buy the collectors edition BD; and i absolutely want to collect every dub of it out there just to hear those amazing fucking songs in every language they were recorded in. And call me closed minded; but I really wanted Hosoda to expand on the world of U; because it is just so fascinating to me. So when I heard the first news about Scarlet; that it was going to be something different, I was just the tiniest bit bummed out.

Not that I want Scarlet to flop (I really dont, fuck you); but should it; maybe the guy will go back to that fascinating virtual world he came up with?

(But seeing /a/ getting mad over Scarlet being another massive hit like Belle was would be funny.)

>>282036912
except that this animation is bad as well. it looks worse than spiderverse and pixar films alike

>>282037874
>contrarian
Even those retarded shills on ANN shat on it

>>282037703
>What's with retards always throwing a tantrum about Hosoda taking the premise of Our War Game and developing it into an original movie?
Because he basically changed next to nothing. Nobody is saying OYW is an original idea but he basically lifted the ideas and concepts from it into SW and Belle.

>>282038035
>>282037574
You have garbage tastes we know anon

>>282038035
>But seeing /a/ getting mad over Scarlet being another massive hit like Belle was would be funny
Yeah I don't see it. Belle had an obvious audience (girls), but this gritty western fantasy with girlboss protagonist? I'd say about the same audience as the Lord of the Rings anime that just flopped.

>>282038143
>Because he basically changed next to nothing
Aside from the family drama that makes up 80% of the movie you mean?

>>282036059

Translation: It doesn´t have a black or queer Hamlet so the west must reject it

>>282038179
Seeing fags like you get mad at people over liking things will always make me laugh;)

>>282036059
He's just not interesting anymore, I remember watching Summer Wars on a rewatch of some old films and while I liked it a lot at first reminding me of Our War Game and memories of vacations in the countryside with my extended family, on rewatch it just doesn't hold up, like actual execution just feels bland once you already know the story, maybe if he keeps making furry movies he'll keep his auteur status but I dropped any interest I've had in him for a good while now

>>282037574
>Belle is his best movie by a mile and one of the best anime movies of the decade you tasteless incel trash.
Koikoi to you motherfucker. Belle was his worst one to date. Even the animation couldn't carry that shit ass story.

>>282037655
5cm is good, it could be better but it's the kind of 'could be better' that sticks with you long term, like why did the characters miss out on all those chances they had was it all really a waste, but done in a way that makes you think about it that I think was the point. Even all these years later I think it's a good sign when you can think back on all the beautiful imagery and beats that are still vivid in your mind and realize that that doesn't just happen normally with movies with no strong beats to it

>>282037574
>ty for travelling hundreds of kms to tokyo alone and locate my house in like an hour somehow and because you stared at my dad for an awkward minute, I now have the courage to not be abused anymore, now let's fart and shart to another pseudo-confession then the credits
kys belle is hot trash

>>282036059
>caring about any opinion at all
Normalfags.

>>282038227
Which shows how good and memorable it was when it never gets brought up when discussing the film

>>282037898
Well, literally all the legendary 2D animators are working on Shinkai's next film so that might be one of the reasons Hosoda went CGi

>>282036191

Actually the animation is the decent part. Way better than Belle's.

Source: I've seen it in Venice some hours ago.

>>282038035
>But seeing /a/ getting mad over Scarlet being another massive hit like Belle was would be funny
/a/ for the most part doesn't give a fuck about Hosoda after Shinka utterly mogged him at his own game in fact nobody has cared about Hosoda since Wolf Children when he was dubbed "The next Miyazaki".

I had some worries when I saw the animation in the trailer. I'll probably still end up seeing it with some friends.

>>282036080
>>282037423
Ignoring your terrible opinions: what about One Piece?

>>282038870
Shounenslop

>>282038703
The only people that don't talk about it are the ones obsessed with the OWG comparison that pretend there's nothing in the film other than the ticking clock of the rogue AI launching the nukes.

>>282038270

Hamlet honestly is kind of the character the antiwoke gang would make fun of anyway, being a lovely pacifist good dad to his daughter.

Problem is, he is honestly terribad, but all the characters here are. The only one with a modicum of dignity is Claudius (here Scarlet's uncle) that stays a villain to his death. Not that he has any actual motivation being so, obviously, and there is the "actually loving Gertrude" angle that is just there for nothing.

>>282039071
>The only people that don't talk about it are the ones obsessed with the OWG comparison
So pretty much nobody discusses it

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>>282036059
>One of the worst films of the year.
unfortunately for him the completion is really strong this year

>>282036080
How many Oscar noms does Shinkai have again?

>>282039915
Even Americans don't give a shit about the oscars unless it's for internet shitposting.

>>282039902
This got good reviews

>>282039884
Non sequitur

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>>282038805
>nobody has cared about Hosoda since Wolf Children when he was dubbed "The next Miyazaki".
If people keep claiming it it'll eventually work out.

>>282036059
>Having written his past 4 movies alone, it may be time for Hosoda to consider collaborating with someone else on that.
His best work has always been for others' projects. His directing work for 2 episodes in the last season of Ojamajo Doremi still hasn't been topped by him.

>>282040217
>His directing work for 2 episodes in the last season of Ojamajo Doremi still hasn't been topped by him.
huh?

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>>282040364
He directed the 40th and 49th episodes of Ojamajo Doremi Dokkan. In those two episodes, there's a stark difference in energy compared to literally the entire show.

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>>282036059
>one review

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>>282036059
i dont consider movies part of anime culture

>>282040551
Average seasonal shiteater.

>>282040531
You can read more online. Just ask Grok to compile them for you.

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>>282040676
>Just ask Grok

A Hosoda movie has nothing to say, huh? Shit, next you'll be telling me that a Scorsese movie has some foul language in it.

>>282037173
You guys ignored Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, that is the consequence

>>282039915
>filters ameritards
Based Shinkai

>>282041425
I think the director dying is a stronger reason we don't get those type of movies anymore.

>>282042073
You don't get those movies because they never made any money. Adults who want to see serious movies don't watch anime, anime movies that make money are made for teenagers and children.

Is it because the MC isn’t a lesbian black women with half a shaved head?

>>282036080
Hosoda making a bad movie doesn't make Shinkai's movies good

>>282042650
If that was the case, critics wouldn't like any animation made in Japan

>>282036920
Wait, he directed Our War Game? Is that why Summer Wars was allowed to shamelessly rip off of it?

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>>282042766
>director
>writer
>novelist
>animator
>editor
>executive producer
>lecturer
>visual arts teacher
>has a masters degree in japanese language and literature
>former video game producer and marketing director
>made his 1st film entirely by himself
>wrote the best-selling japanese novel in decades
>directed, edited and wrote the highest-grossing original Japanese film of all time
>last remaining auteur in the anime industry
>only anime director with 2 entries in the Top 4 highest-grossing Japanese films of all time
>voice actor
>manga artist
>illustrator
>businessman
>best-selling author
>multimillionaire
>independent creator
>industry consultant
>marketing director
>composer
>lyricist
>songwriter
>screenwriter
>producer
>auditioner
>acting coach
>storyboard artist
>background artist
>professional photographer
>cinematographer
>3DCG animator and designer
>director of art
>director of sound
>director of photography
>director of animation
>director of vfx
>digital painter
>graphic designer
>character designer
>sound designer
>color designer
>web designer
>music video producer
>music video director
>philanthropist
>diplomat
>curator
>otaku
>film critic
>columnist
>good-looking
>charismatic
>bequeathed family's construction empire to little brother to fully focus on anime
>Apple's poster boy in Japan
>has an asteroid named after him
>the artist most plagiarized by generative AI since its inception
>only 3rd anime director to be honored by the Academy Museum
>director of music and visual production for the Planetarium and Space Theater of Omiya
>owns all of his works
>married to a retired actress and tv producer
>little daughter is already a child actress, voice actress, dancer and singer (amazing genes)
>will still make at least 7 more feature films before retiring
>will likely end his career as the most successful Japanese director of all time at the box-office
The most talented Japanese man in history.

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>>282036059
>Venice Film Festival
They didn't like an anime about a heterosexual couple? Damn. So which movie about gay black muslim trannies got a standing ovation instead?

>>282036059
>"One of Japan's trendiest auteurs"
Nigga this guy has been a nobody for the past 10 years. Even stuff like Bakemono no Ko were more successful as stage plays.

>>282043889
Belle is his biggest box office hit and the third highest grossing japanese movie of 2021.

>>282036059
Honestly all his films suck for various reasons

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>>282043960
Have you looked at the competition for that year? It's a success but not exactly "trendiest auteurs"-levels of success.

>>282043672
Cope. Shinkai's new films are very well-received by critics. They're all hetero/racist.

>>282044158
He's still right to point out that all of these film festivals are mouthpieces for political propaganda. They don't actually care about animation in any way whatsoever, I doubt that the jury even watches the films in the first place.

>>282037423
>Girl Who Leapt through Time
OK
>Summer Wars
I riked it
>Ripoff of Our War Game
>a digimon movie
literally who cares
>Wolf Children
havent seen it
>Boy and the Beast
I riked it
>Belle
>A worse Summer Wars
well... its visually stunning but yeah I know what you mean
>>282037655
>I dunno'. Five cm/sec was dumb,
All those years and you still miss the point. MC got stuck in life because he didnt let go that first love feeling, so stuck that he was not happy and was living a shitty life. at the end when he saw his first love, now married, then it drops on him like a ton of bricks, others had moved on while he was still almost frozen by his self imposed misery. So, by not talking to her, he effectively break the cycle and move on.
2nd act can also be viewed from the point of surfgirl as sometimes you do everything right, and yet you can get a shitty outcome, she falls in love for a guy that was unable to feel shit, she suffers, but then she gets it and decide to move on.
>>282038389
>like why did the characters miss out on all those chances they had was it all really a waste
because humans can be stupid? thats the point, we do stupid shit for several reasons, but while everybody else continues with their life, MC left those mistakes to bring him down.

>>282044158
Ironically Shinkai is openly a chud but he gets a pass because the cultural barrier

>>282036591
Both his digimon movies were brilliant as was TokiKake

>>282036353
>Oscar relevance
Oscars aren't even Oscar relevant anymore. They're such a joke.

>>282043088
A movie so good he had to make it twice.

>>282037173
>Japs are always terrible when it comes to serious stories
clueless

I find people seething over Summer Wars strange, because this film makes zero sense outside of Japan. It's such a specifically Japanese film, that it is no wonder that westoids don't really get it. The same goes for girl who leapt through time, both versions of which are period pieces by now.

>>282036059
Critics are worthless but if their main concern is whether a film has a message or not rather than its quality that should tell you where their priorities are.

>>282045921
what is the point of a film that communicates nothing?

>>282036080
>Shinkai
who's that?

>>282046061
Ask Grok.

>>282043088
He just gave them the script of Summer Wars and it got its first iteration as a digimon film. Summer Wars eventually got fully realized in the way he wanted.

>>282046266
Worked so well that he remade it 5 times

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>>282036059
So, which one is it?
>Mana Ashida: "The smiles of those who applauded made me so happy" Thrilled by over 10 minutes of standing ovation at the Venice International Film Festival
https://www.msn.com/ja-jp/news/entertainment/%E8%8A%A6%E7%94%B0%E6%84%9B%E8%8F%9C-%E6%8B%8D%E6%89%8B%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8C%E3%81%9F%E3%81%9D%E3%81%AE%E7%AC%91%E9%A1%94%E3%81%8C%E3%81%86%E3%82%8C%E3%81%97%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9F-%E3%83%99%E3%83%8D%E3%83%81%E3%82%A2%E5%9B%BD%E9%9A%9B%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BB%E7%A5%AD%E3%81%A710%E5%88%86%E8%B6%85%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%B3%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%82%AA%E3%83%99%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AB%E6%84%9F%E6%BF%80/ar-AA1LVC9b?ocid=socialshare

>>282036059
Yamakan was Right

>>282036080
As any non-shiteater expected

>>282036059
>Jew critic
>oy vey no black and gay people, or even racemixing!!

its shit!

>>282037495
>no
Summer wars is derivative trash ripping off the plot and beats of Our War Game, adding almost an hour of footage with even less substance.

>>282036059
His only good movie is Summer Wars, maybe it was a fluke
This guy really doesn't have talent for writting script, just hire a competent writer instead

None of Hosoda's movies have been good. His entire career since being ED on Ashita no Nadja and Doremi has been a waste

I don't know nor care who this [surname] [name] is but
>caring about snobs' opinions

>westoids don't get Summer Wars
It's my favorite movie full of reasonable misunderstandings, well-motivated characters who are willing to come to blows for what they think is best, heartwarming family connections and a catharsis of their primodial evil at the end by way of the unexpected newcomer... but idk. I'm just a dumb gaijin who doesn't know what they're talking about. I just like the pretty colors and the music.

>>282047013
>>282042650
>>282038270
Here's the (you) you've been desperately trying to get

How come he never tried to get Satoko Okudera to write his films again? Or at least try to get another writer

I don't understand the issue. They're upset that it's Hamlet but animated?

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>>282036059
Did you seriously expect isekai slop to be good? We aren't in the 90s anymore

>>282036059
Who?
Never even heard of "Belle", was it good?

>>282048527
Where do you people even come from?

>>282036059
>not learning from VeGs flop.
Why japan

>>282036059
>One of the worst films of the year.
Devilish of you to throw this in there knowing no one will click on the link.

Just because anons are bigger faggots than you doesn't mean you aren't a faggot.

>>282037655
Five CM/Sec was solid.

>>282044492
>Summer Wars
I need to watch that lol.

The real meaning of Hamlet is never husbando a brooding twink prince lest madness & woe befall you.

>>282038805
/a/ for the most part doesn't give a fuck about Hosoda after Shinka utterly mogged him at his own game in fact nobody has cared about Hosoda since Wolf Children when he was dubbed "The next Miyazaki".
/a/ is fucking obsessed with Hosoda; if they weren't, this thread wouldn't exist. And he received such massive praise as director back when he made The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, not after Wolf's Children. As for who is a better filmmaker, that is always up to personal preference.

>>282038406
Tsk, some people man. Refuse to appreciate good things...

>>282038380
Suck my ass, that film is the goat

when are we gonna get an epic spanning all the IRL king plays?

>>282036059
He won

Baron Omatsuri was his best movie

>>282047115
There is no real substance to Our War Game. What drives the plot, if you can even call it that, is the characters being unable to contact each other and immediately solve the problem because of a various set of random misfortunes, so everything is stalled and the villain is free to do its thing as one botched phone call after another fills up the runtime. What made it good was the direction and animation, but that's obviously outclassed by an actual cinematic release. Only people who grew up with Digimon and can't be objective about its quality would ever claim that OWG is better, and can't even articulate why.

>>282036059
Belle was mediocre and Hosoda fell off

>>282036059
Isnt this an isekai? The main dude wore modern clothes

>>282037254
Wolf children was great and Boy and the Beast had issues but was also pretty good overall

Mirai was meh and Belle kinda sucked but to say that he was never good is wrong. That said he fell off hard

>>282038410
BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW I SHOULD FEEL OR THINK ABOUT SOMETHING!

>>282047198
Girl Who Leapt Through tine is also excemlent, even though it js a remake of an older film, which in turn js an adaptation of a book.

>>282051161
It's also a sequel to the old film

>>282050983
Mirai was better than B&B and Belle because being composed of little vignettes made Hosoda's weaknesses as a screenwriter less obvious.

>>282036059
>get into isekai
>become a hack
Many such cases.

> There’s an over-sweet centre at the middle of it. Its ending is a feast of sincerity that, not just tedious in its own right, feels unrepresentative of the irreverent character with whom we’ve just spent two long hours.
That's Hosoda for sure. He likes to dump the traditional Japanese fourth act twist on his films with less and less justification for why it's happening in the film. It's wrote, formulaic, and cliche.
Hackery. Something Hosoda wants in his film but something he isn't willing to lay the groundwork for.

>>282051519
>become

>>282051590
I don't feel that describes his other movies at all.

>>282051781
I think it describes everything he's ever done except summer wars.

>>282051811
Nah i don't see it

>>282045804
Name one good serious story that doesnt involve blood and gore.

>>282052135
boku no pico

>>282036059
The next Miyazaki...

>>282037173
Half of Ghibli's catalog is depressing.

>>282036080
Truth? Nuke.

>Digimon movie 1
8/10
>Our War Game
7/10
>One Piece movie 6
6/10
>The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
8/10
>Summer Wars
10/10
>Wolf Children
9/10
>The Boy and the Beast
6/10
>Mirai
8/10
>Belle
6/10

>>282036059
>western critics
Who cares.

>>282036059
Based. His movies were always shit and reek of otome self-insert shit. Venice fags always had decent taste.
I wish they would stop making these stupid girl meets boy fantasy love stories already and do something new.

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>>282055023
>Venice fags always had decent taste
lol lmao even

>>282054117
Mirai is the worst one actually.

>>282036059
>>282046748
kek OP btfo

>>282043293
The GOAT

>>282043293
And he's never be on Miyazaki's level
His movies are all formulaic

>>282046061
of 'Your Name' fame

>>282056264
embarrassing

>>282048527
>Belle
Hosoda trying to make the Japanese Frozen and semi-succeeding because both are fucking awful, but Frozen was an international merchandise phenomenon. I didn't know that desperate Frozen clone existed until this thread.

AND THEN THEY FLY THROUGH THE INTERNET

>>282056462
No, Mirai is kino but you may not get it unless you’re a parent or work with small children.

>>282061920
More like just having some kind of basic human empathy, same for Wolf Children

>>282036080
Fpbp and I fucking hate shinkai

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>>282037173
Just because they've have forgotten how to make them doesn't mean they weren't good at it.

>>282037574
lmao Belle is his worst film, you tasteless piece of garbage.
>>282038035
>to expand on the world of U; because it is just so fascinating to me
How the fuck can you find that uninspired shit "fascinating"?

>>282052135
I don't think you watch anime.

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>>282037173
Retard, watch more than 100 anime from bfore 2020 and then come back.

>native iseaki is dying
Perhaps there is a hope after all

>>282037173
Watch more anime, start with all of the movies that Mamoru Oshii and Satoshi Kon directed then you will be ready for less mainstream stuff.
If you want actual serious cinema then the fimography of Akira Kurosawa is a must.
Yasujiro Ozu,Isao Takahata(also anime) and my personal favourite Kinji Fukasaku for his yakuza movies and especially the Battles Without Honor and Humanity series.
Theare are a few others but this is a good start.
If you want to be spoonfed at least be honest about it.

>>282051833
You don't see the dramatic twist in something like Mirai or The Girl Who Lept Through Time? Or the about face Wolf Children makes?
The shoe drop in the 4th act? Do you even watch the movies?

>>282036059
Brutal, but deserved.

>>282064424
None of those films has an unwarranted, dramatic tone shift in the last act. Wolf Children opens with tragedy and has plenty of hard times throughout, and the character progression of the kids as they reach adolescence is done gradually to build up their eventual decisions. In The Girl Who Lept Through Time the fun times end halfway through as the guy keeps trying to confess and things escalate from that. Mirai is consistent in his not too serious tone, it has heavy themes in all its segments but they're filtered through the eyes of a child so they're all treated pretty lightly. I haven't seen Belle so I can't say.

>>282064161
Lord of the Rings died 20 years ago.

>>282036059
Didn’t even hear about this one until now