>>282109207
TL'd

(jaded japanon comment) This is a manga about Kazuya, Chizuru, and Mini.
There's no point in guessing other characters... Is Umi going to show up?

(Spoiler) It's a strategy meeting.
Mini's turn isn't over yet.
He mentions that July 11th will be their anniversary.
We should do everything we can to prepare until that day arrives.
Failing to answer the question about love when identifying issues was a bad move.
Mini's lecture begins again.
He tells Kazuya to improve himself as a man for a month and a half, and Kazuya promises his full cooperation, which has him in the mood.
Mini remembers the night Chizuru's mother, Kasumi, taught him. I remember. She gave birth to Chizuru at age 19, and her lover ran away soon after. She was originally frail, and apparently died at age 23. Chizuru says she feels lonely when she says her father is her lover, but Chizuru, who didn't know her father, dismisses it as ridiculous. From this conversation, I can sense that Chizuru has a slight distrust of men, which is why she can't date Kazuya. Kazuya says he feels like he can do anything to become a man worthy of Mizuhara. With that spirit, everyone is excited and taking pictures. Meanwhile, Chizuru has messaged Nakano Kai to tell him she has something to talk about.
Next time: license.

He's back. What reiji profetized in that space is nearer than we thought. The possibilities of a serious fight between Kazuya and Chizuru are high too.

>>282109207
>Chizuru rejects Umi
>Umi goes full rapechad and grabs Chizuru's arm
>Kazuya shows up
>Bunny girl senpai fight scene ensues

>>282109207
>and no cafe spoilers yet, however, the latter is gonna end in 8 chapters
Bullshit

Why do the Samurai love cuck slop?

>>282109304
It may have had a lot of chapters, but some things were delayed so long it's going to feel like a rushed end.

>>282109304
they were talking about it on 5ch.
Manga Mogura also tweeted about it
https://x.com/MangaMoguraRE/status/1964944021585019096
>>282109270
Kek. I'd even wish that, but your wish contradicts Niwatori's warnings about the future event that will make japanese readers stop reading it, and now that Cafe is ending, Reiji needs a valid excuse to keep making this manga until a new WSM hit can put kanokari to an eternal sleep.

>>282109360
What may happen?
Probably Fuwa going scorched earth on everything related to Chiyoda and the Kasukabe families, Hayato and the maids decide to all die together and the ending will be an esotherical seoverse Gainax end where they reopen the cafe terrace in the paradise. Other Seoverse characters who were truck-kun victims will be their regular customers

>>282109304
>no cafe spoilers yet,
>>282107068

>>282109422
That shit looks like a wish from the japanon who leaked the "last 8" countdown.

So any bets on how this train wreck is gonna end? With Kazuya enjoying the used goods at the end or Chizuru becoming fully absorbed in the show biz by some fucking miracle?

>>282109231
So Mini's take is that it's just daddy issues, which is fair. My guess will always be that she holds a grudge because of the low rating he gave her after the first rental date.
It's Umi's time and it's not him pestering her, but Chizuru coming out with an initiative. I don't feel so good Kazuyabros. He's probably just her costar in the upcoming play and she wants to rehearse together or some shit, but Mini will misunderstand something and cause problems.

>>282109504
>So Mini's take is that it's just daddy issue
And even if she could be right, maybe it's the tip of an iceberg.
Doubt it's daddy issues, because of Chizuru saying she wan't gonna be like her mom.
>>282109504
>It's Umi's time and it's not him pestering her, but Chizuru coming out with an initiative. I don't feel so good Kazuyabros.
>Reiji is worried about a future event that would make japanese readers stop reading the series, but it's inevitable, and those who paid attention shall know it (dixit Reijus Miyajimus VII on his twitter space and was the conversation topic on plebbit 'till mods deleted the posts and threads related to that warning because it violated the rule of not leaking future spoilers from Reiji's accounts)
The hints are already there. We shall just brace ourselves for the impact.

>>282109461
>So any bets on how this train wreck is gonna end?
Extremely rushed ending in the middle of some longass arc that is super important to the themes of the story.

>>282109461
>With Kazuya enjoying the used goods at the end or Chizuru becoming fully absorbed in the show biz by some fucking miracle?
Kazuya "moving on" from Chizuru and getting with another one of the 2 girls who have similar facial and eye features, however, it will be left ambiguous who's she, if Chizuru or Ruka, and will be left up to the readers' interpretation.

Basically a semi-open ending where Kazuya gets his dream, but that's just the starting point for him. And the decision will be up to our imagination.

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>>282109789

If Umi and Chizuru start dating then just bring the axe down and let this shit show end

>>282109820
Wrong! If that were to happen, that's exactly when the manga will start: other characters would finally be allowed to appear again, Kazuya would have no choice, but to move on.
It won't happen though, that's retarded.

>>282109231
>it's not a Mami chapter
>it's fucking Umi
well at least we know the other cast exist now...

>>282109916
>Kazuya would have no choice, but to move on.
But narratively he's not going to, Chizuru will always be on his mind that's why the axe needs to come down so Reji has no choice but to stop the shitty cat and mouse game

>>282109957
>But narratively he's not going to,
Mini's unconsciously training him to move on. Her assumptions are simply a facade for her true intentions: to make him the man Mini Yaemori wants, not Chizuru Ichinose (let's be honest. Kazuya is already the man CHizuru Ichinose wants in her life. However, said part of him is the one he despises about too, the suicidal, impulsive, stubborn and kinda arrogant and pushy one). Hence why she's making everything at her grasp to not let them from meeting and face the issues like any civilized human being would.
>Chizuru will always be on his mind
Kazuya is already starting to become more critic and whiny about her persona. "Why should i be the one who has to keep reaching her?" was his last thought before deciding to not text her.
>that's why the axe needs to come down so Reji has no choice but to stop the shitty cat and mouse game
Agreed.

>>282109461
There will be a timeskip and Kazuya will be living with Mami and Mini, both pregnant with his children (Ruka died on the way back to her home planet) and Chizuru is now an AV actress, when not on camera she is sobbing on her bed clutching a picture of Kazuya, regretting the life she lives, surrounded by ojisans and directors who do nothing but abuse her.

Plap Mini

>>282109949
(S)Umi came over to pay respects at Sayuri's shrine. Ruka gets cameos from time to time, Mami appeared only to introduce her fiance.
The only people that are truly gone are Kazuya's friends and family.

Tbf imagining Chizuru dating Umi makes me hard

>Amagami already ended
>Terrace will end in 2 months
>no one gives a shit about Medaka anymore
>Cuckoos are beyond stagnant that the leakers only give like 2 liners for its spoiler because everyone knows how fucking slow the manga is
>leaker for some reason leaked fucking Idolatry, the manga no one here reads because it's still unscanlated
>and also this piece of shit
Man you don't know what you got till you lose it

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>>282109231
AHAHAAHAHAHAHA HE IS BACK THE GOAT IS BACK

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Terrace spoiler

>>282110504
Kanan still gets somewhat consistent scanlations, but nobody really talks about it outside from the raw ecchi dump thread.
DreamJumboGirll gets scanlations, but absolutely nobody cares.
I don't think Yowa Yowa gets scanlations anymore.
Mayonaka Heart Tune exists, I think.

>>282110573
UNLEASH THE GILF SQUAD

>>282110492
Kazuya..

>>282110573
Tried to find the new terrace thread (the current one reached the 1000 posts limit), but couldn't find it.

>>282110573
After the MC gave up it's up to the grandmas to kick the villain's ass.

>>282110492
Okay JAVbro/cuckbro.

There is cuckoos' spoiler but just like last week it just doesn't tell anything worthwhile
it only has やっぱ天野さんはすげぇよそれに比べて俺は・・・私ねお嫁さんになる！

>>282109207
Ruka cute! Best girl!
>>282109231
>Mini remembers the night Chizuru's mother, Kasumi, taught him. I remember. She gave birth to Chizuru at age 19, and her lover ran away soon after
Why would Mini know this or why would Chizuru told her that? It's seems really personal and Chizuru doesn't seem to be really talk about those things
>Chizuru says she feels lonely when she says her father is her lover, but Chizuru, who didn't know her father, dismisses it as ridiculous
????? This is pure gibberish
Also, Reji will do the cohabitation arc AGAIN lol lmao, although I would applaud him if Kazuya goes to the gym

>>282110685
sounds like more Erika glazing

There was Mayonaka spoiler last week where it just told Shinobu in it and that's what we exactly got. Maybe if someone wants to dig in for this week's chapter, it may not be long just like last week's spoiler.

>>282110695
>Why would Mini know this or why would Chizuru told her that? It's seems really personal and Chizuru doesn't seem to be really talk about those things
She may have overheard about it after the neighbor incident. Chizuru told Kazuya about that. However, what Mini's doing is another case of broken telephone game.

>>282110695
>why would Chizuru told her that?
so that she can misinterpret it and give Kazuya bogus advice of course

>>282110695
>Also, Reji will do the cohabitation arc AGAIN lol lmao, although I would applaud him if Kazuya goes to the gym
He's not gonna go to the gym tho.
Seems what Mini's gonna do is "train him to become a man worthy of Chizuru", but deep down she's just molding him into Mini's ideal man. Driving license? check
Internship? Check
Mini's gonna help him with his future for her own sake, not Kazuya's.

>>282110504
Is this really the end of Weekly Romcom Magazine?

>>282109207
>the latter is gonna end in 8 chapters.
As expected, there's not much that can be done with the story at this point

>>282110529
>Umi
>goat

>>282110921
Anon, they can always introduce a new guy and create ntr subplot, that’s how 1000 ep telenovelas did it.

>>282110986
We already have cucks and kanokari for that, no need to ruin another story that way

>>282111044
>cucks
Also heading towards an end. Erika locked in for Worst!Nagi.
>kanokari
It's not romcom anymore, but sheer misery porn. It fills the mexican telenovela space domekano left vacant.

Have a feeling Niwatori is gonna be scouted by Shueisha after this.
They're desperate for a new hit.

>>282110895
Are we gonna have a new Romcom council emergency meeting?

>>282110895
Monthly romcoms are better anyways

>>282111223
>Niwatori is gonna be scouted by Shueisha after this
He already has a flop with Shiunji-ke for Hakusensha that's close enough.

>>282111316
>He already has a flop with Shiunji-ke for Hakusensha that's close enough.
It won't make Hitotsubashi cange its opinion.
if they're desperate for a hit, they'll still would want Niwatori in either the Weekly Shounen Jump or the Weekly Young Jump.

>mfw no one notices the flop called Vampire Family because Miki can't even be arsed to update it monthly

>>282111768
It's monthly manga with even worse pacing than Cuckoo

Chizuru will break Kazuya's heart in September. Chizuru will sing: "Septembah, sayonala no kuni"; and Mini and the Mexican fish will reply as the refrain: "shibiribiri".

>>282112062
>Chizuru will break Kazuya's heart in September.
It will be on July 11th.
>July 11th
>If you read it as a number, then you'll have Seven-Eleven.
>7-eleven is a konbini store chain.
>July 11th is the beginning of Kazuya's inevitable path towards becoming a store manager who's gonna be saddled with either a blue ribbon or a cockroach-hairstyle pest. All while Chizuru starts rising in her path to stardon. AKB end is inevitable

>>282112062
This is to good to be true and I don't think that Reji listens to that kind of music

>/a/ speculating that Umi is going to kiss or have sex with Chizuru
>when not a single /a/ prediction has come true

>>282112492
Seems you are out of loop.
>>282109605
>Reiji is worried about a future event that would make japanese readers stop reading the series, but it's inevitable, and those who paid attention shall know it...
Kazuya and Chizuru becoming a couple or having sex or solidifying their feelings isn't an audience alienating event.

>>282112605
Nope, I'm very much in the loop. An anon keeps dropping, with no proof because "I'm a subscriber" that Reiji is going to pull something that will make most people drop the manga for good, hoping to kill it forever so that he can stop drawing the manga and focus on the other series...
or something along the lines of that. Since you know, authors never misdirect fans or anything.

Umi will fuck Choriputa

>>282112778
>with no proof because "I'm a subscriber" that Reiji is going to pull something that will make most people drop the manga for good, hoping to kill it forever so that he can stop drawing the manga and focus on the other series...
>or something along the lines of that. Since you know, authors never misdirect fans or anything.
Last time i went to plebbit to see the thread, all the mentions about the event Reiji is gonna pull were deleted by moderation, accusing a violation of the "future spoiler leaks" rule.
So it's true. However, i don't think it's gonna be the so called cuckening, but either a serious fight between Kazuya and Chizuru caused by Kazuya's expectations Mini infused onto him being crashed by reality and/or Mami/Mini officially entering into the bowl (nips have a personal issue with Mami, and Hae isn't being popular despite of Niwatori's shilling, so it's easily something regarding those 2 bitches). The cuckening may or may not be a consequence of that event.

>>282112778
>authors never misdirect fans or anything.
Kannagi, AoT, TWGOK, 5toubun say hello.
Authors sometimes misdirect fans on purpose simply to make le subversion and "muh real life unpredictability"

>>282110573
>8 chapters left
Ami x Hayato endgame confirmed.

>>282113311
You wish Amicuck

Rucute will win

>>282113342
Kys, Oucuck.

>>282113413
She already won my heart

HEROfumi GODshida disposed of the scum that was killing CSM.
Now UmiCHAD NakALPHAno will dispose of the scum that keeps metastasizing kanokari.
What a fine day to be a BVLLCHAD.

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>>282109231
>She fucking messages Umi before Kazuya

>>282114014
She sure messages Judai, Omata, Jamal, Tyrone, Deshawn, Denzel, Dax, JAV manager, Yakuza boss heir, CEO's child and producers before Kazuya.
Unlike 2 girls who have Kazuya as their top priority, but he simply hates one of them and sees the other as an unreliable "ally".

>>282114081
I think Gayji is partially aware of how much of a cunt he's turned Chizuru into given that Mini has been completely turned into his mouthpiece at this point, but it truly is crazy how low of a priority Kazuya is for her. "I ghosted you because I felt bad for Ruka", "I feel bad for your family but I can't date you". Now he's getting ghosted again, lol.

>>282114410
>Now he's getting ghosted again
Quite the opposite. It seems it's a mutual ghosting at worst, Kazuya deliberately and capriciously ghosting her simply because he doesn't want to make the whole work a man should do, Kazuya is on a "why should it be me the one who has to do all the heavy lifting?" position, he was the one who decided to not text Chizuru, even after getting an advice from the AI chatbot. And Mini's meddling only feeds that stance on him.

Chizuru at least had excuses to not make it painful, Kazuya is being blunt to Mini about not wanting to make the heavylift anymore.

>>282114627
>Kazuya deliberately and capriciously ghosting her at best, simply because he doesn't want to make the whole work a man should do.
Ftfy. Remember the story will make everything at its hands so if Kazuya gets heartbroken and mindraped, it's his fault for not being a man and not Chizuru's for not communicating to him like a decent human being would do.

>>282114627
Given the shit he's done for her already, I think he's justified in not wanting to do the heavy lifting anymore. Also, Kazuya hasn't truly given up. Even though it does make sense for him to finally throw in the towel, for whatever reason the story clearly needs them separated at this point and this is just an incredibly cheap way to achieve that. Chizuru's entire track record post Hawaiians is nothing but moping around and doing fuck all to advance the plot, and given that we're close to 200 chapters after Hawaiians, I don't think that's going to change. Kazuya will keep simping because in Reiji's eyes she's simplythat perfect, it's just a matter of when.

>>282115166
>Chizuru's entire track record post Hawaiians is nothing but moping around, doing fuck all to advance the plot and deliberately doing shit that could hurt people (like calling Umi)...
Ftfy.
Still, i think Reiji's hellbent into engaging into a beef against some of his readers. Did you know 391 was done as a response for those nip readers who went mental at him for the kiss?
And that the kiss was negatively received by them?

>>282113186
Brother in Christ, that was a sarcastic statement.

>>282113039
I agree that there will be more conflicts in the future but the way these people like to "predict", which is more like trolling or ragebaiting, they say some really stupid shit like:
>ok guys, first Umi and Chizuru will kiss
>then they'll have sex
>then Chizuru will have a couple of kids with Umi
>then once everything is said and done Kazuya will accept Chizuru and they'll live happily ever after
Have they said this exact thing? No. But they sure as fuck hope for Kazuya to suffer a lot more just to continue to laugh at RAG fans while, and I'm assuming here since it makes no sense to me, they'll continue to keep up with RAG week after week.

And that's what I don't get. Keeping up with a series you hate just to stick it to the fans? I don't like One Piece nor MHA and you could never pay me enough to keep up with those stories just to shit on their fans, makes no sense to me.

>>282114014
To be fair Umi is directly related to her career and can give her tons of opportunities in acting

>>282115301
No, in fact I haven't even read 391 yet. Saw from the spoiler that it's yet another chapter of Mini repeating over and over again that Chizuru would never lead Kazuya on and decided to just read the spoilers for a while. It doesn't surprise me that the kiss was negatively received, because I think that even for this manga, it's genuinely insulting how pointless the cohabitation arc was in the end. 2 and a half years of build up just to get rug pulled in the end with Chizuru giving utterly bullshit excuses for the rejection, only to forget about it 5 chapters later and have Chizuru outright imply "well actually I'll date him once this arbitrary day in July arrives".

And yeah, I absolutely think Reiji is fucking with some of his readers. I lol'd when I saw the next volume cover, with Chizuru laughing.

>>282112873
in your fanfictions....

>>282112284
>AKB end is inevitable
AKB?

>>282110922
clearly Reiji's goat.

>>282110921
>As expected, there's not much that can be done with the story at this point
That's always a lack of imagination, often combined with a desire to leave as much unchanged as possible before the end.

This series is fucked either way
>Chizuru ends up with Kazuya
It would be like a pity reward after all the BS Kazuya has done and all the BS Chizuru has put him through.
>Ruka gets Kazuya
It would be a hollow relationship, Kazuya won't ever be fully happy with her even if the cries of Ruka fans "winning" muffles out the rest of the fanbase, what's left of it anyway
>Kazuya gets a literal NPC in the epilouge chapter/chapters
Narratively, it makes everything Kazuya has done in the series pointless, he didn't get anything out of simping, he could have gotten any other girl at any time with an ending like this, honestly to me though the funniest fucking ending would be if Mami takes Kazuya back, stops her menhera attitude, dumps her fiance and in the last chapter they're actually shown happy whereas on the flipside Chizuru is still acting but has a hollow expression behind scenes.

Does this series even have any fans like ACTUAL fans? Because I feel like half the people here are still around because they've been here too long and just can't look away from this trainwreck and the other half just want to bait the others by making Umi jokes/NTR jokes/Mocking Kazuya.

>>282115726
>It would be a hollow relationship, Kazuya won't ever be fully happy with her
This shit always baffles me because literally the only thing that stops Kazuya is his oneitis for Chizuru, Ruka would be the perfect girlfriend for Kazuya because she would love him all the time while at the same time being able to point out his flaws while supporting him, they go varied dates all the time ranging from attraction parks to humble coffee dates, even superficially he could still have the awe of every NPC (confirmed by the way every NPC looks at Ruka) and yet he chooses to go after the girl that has ghosted him 2 already.

This trope has to have a name, where a character is presented with the literal perfect choice which is also the easiest to chose and yet not only rejects it, he also chooses the worst possible choice

>>282115910
Yes, the subreddit still has a few. With each new capter their numbers are dwindling, though. I still lurk there occasionally just to get some laughs, since you have people there who write college thesis tier essays analyzing all the characters only to be proven wrong with each new chapter and have Reiji shit in their mouths over and over. I swear if Chizuru actually fucked Umi they'd defend it, and additionally they would analyze the shading on the curtains and say it's representative of her inner turmoil or some other bullshit.

>>282115910
I'm still a fan because I like Chizuru and how the story is both unfolding and progressing. There are red lines though that would make me drop the series indefinitely, unlike the people who keep up with it to "hatewatch" it when in reality they don't have the mental capability of dropping something that they don't like anymore and move on with their lives.
>>282116228
There are definitely a few people who bother writing essays about the story, which I find to be a futile effort. But there are also people who "hate" the series and also waste, no invest, so much time trying to dunk on RAG fans, which is also a futile effort.
Most people in the middle, who like this series and see both extremes, just laugh, read the 5 minutes worth of content and move on.

>>282116614
>. There are red lines though that would make me drop the series indefinitely
I'm guess those red lines involve Chizuru doing something with Umi?

>>282116675
Depends what she does with Umi.

>>282115684
What's left?, they're fighting the villains final plan, MC already knows who he likes and everyone got their development arcs, anything other than ending it would be some garbage forced drama or boring endless SoL only for people to complain about the sudden end when the author gets bored of that slop

>>282115910
Imma be honest I hated it at first and now it's my favorite piece of fiction and I barely read anything else.

>>282116723
For me, if Umi does have sex with Chizuru, shown on screen or implied then I will keep checking in on this series just for the clown show but Kazuya should not go for Chizuru after that and likewise Chizuru doesn't deserve Kazuya but knowing how Reji operates, he won't allow Chizuru to be defiled.

>>282115726
>It would be a hollow relationship, Kazuya won't ever be fully happy with her even if the cries of Ruka fans "winning" muffles out the rest of the fanbase, what's left of it anyway
It would be realistic tho. People sometimes have to learn to be happy with what they have and let themselves be loved.

SDF Macross, Ichigo 100% and AKB49 did something similar. MCs didn't end up with their oneitis, even when they had the clear chance to grasp what they wanted, but with the one who stood by their side even if they didn't want them next to them, simply because they became some sort of "woman of the process" who got lucky at the 11th hour, 59th minute, 59th second and 29th milisecond bc the simp MC chose his inevitable fate (dedicate himself to his career and having no time to find other women, so he chose to secure what he has next to him) over his oneitis.

>>282116614
I can respect the take about still enjoying it despite its flaws, though I'm genuinely curious: What's left to like about Chizuru? I say this as someone who, for better or worse, genuinely got hooked by the first 100ish chapters, started seeing the writing on the wall right after the movie arc, and ended up only liking Chizuru, Sumi and Mini. I was already starting to dislike Chizuru around Paradise when she told Kazuya they're in this together, only to end up avoiding him for 3 months. After this, she barely participated in the plot and furthermore, her poor decisions just kept stacking to the point where even the normies who don't read the manga seem to dislike her more than Kazuya, and that's no small feat given his reputation. Even when I try to bend my mind to try to excuse most of the stuff she's done, I still can't help but see the current situation as Kazuya just not being a priority in her life at all.

>>282116963
What really gets me is that Reji is aware of Chizuru's flaws since he is now using Mini as a mouthpiece for the readers, I just can't tell what Reji's endgame is with all this.

>>282117091
>I just can't tell what Reji's endgame is with all this.
Kazuya's gf is (You)
Mini is a stand in for (You), me and all the readers.
Yeah, Reiji is leaving Kazuya to us, impersonated by Mini.

>>282117091
I said the same thing here >>282114410 but I think it's less of a case of Reiji being aware of her flaws and more him thinking that only some of the stuff she's done is bad, but not the rest. Go back and read the last 5-6 chapters, I was starting to crack up every time Mini said "She wasn't trying to string you along". She literally says that exact line in multiple consecutive chapters. Mini is simultaneously being used as Chizuru's greatest defender while also sneaking in a few criticisms here and there, just as a nod to the readers because Reiji clearly underestimated just how pissed off people would be after the rejection. In short, I think he's only cherry picking a few of Chizuru's actions in isolation while ignoring the rest of the manga and the laundry list of things she's guilty of.

>>282116963
Chizuru's action are all ok if she isn't meant to get with him in the end. That's where the dissonance comes from. If you are expecting them to eventually get together, which most of the audience is, nothing what Reiji does makes sense.
If this is supposed to be a tale of a tragic unfulfilled love where they both genuinely love each other, but because of circumstances that are beyond their control they never can get together than it works, except it isn't and the key to seal the deal is and always was in Chizuru's hands and she just refuses to use it because, because, because Reiji has no good idea what to put here.

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guilty circle 202
Everything goes as expected.
You conveyed your feelings thinking I was Mai, but, it was me, Rika fufufufufu.
Also Juri ends up with the bowl cut guy, because of course

>>282116765
Same. Chizuru doing anything with anyone, not just Umi, would just make me lose interest completely in this series. I'm not above dropping this series completely.
>>282116963
Since you asked me the question directly I'll answer sincerely: the truth is that I was drawn by Chizuru's beauty at first but over time I came to appreciate the person inside the shell. I think it's obvious she's been through a lot, and everyone deals with those events in their own way, and the way she put up walls was similar to how I've acted before in the past.
Because I've been betrayed by people over and over again it would've been too easy to just lash out at people and just externalize that hatred. Instead I chose coping mechanisms to avoid hurting innocent people around me by putting up mental barriers that always hid my true intentions. By effect, those actions mean its harder for others to gauge my true intentions leading others to mistrust me. But I was ok with that since it meant I could be selective with who I spent my time with and prioritize those relationships. I see a similar thing with Chizuru, and seeing Chizuru fleshed out in this way is something I look forward to week after week.
While everyone eagerly awaits for the ending, I'm just here for the ride on a weekly basis. And yes, Chizuru is not a good person. She has good intentions, but the decisions she takes ultimately hurt a lot of people around her. And it's a breath of fresh air seeing a manga about imperfect characters over ones who never do stupid shit to avoid pissing off fans.

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>>282116723
that being said, if she lies here, the manga may as well end with that.

>>282118397
I'm curious how this whole thing plays out. The manga is making it seem this is some sort of positive development meanwhile I'm over here thinking Kazuya and Mimi are celebrating prematurely by assuming things that may not turn out to be true.

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>>282117296
that would explain why Mini's date with Kazuya went so smooth

>>282118295
Fair and I'm not judging you for your reasons or anything, but I just disagree with that assessment of the manga. For one, Chizuru's complexity is skin deep since you can just summarize it by saying she's an extreme hypocrite, and even worse, it's fake as fuck. Her personality basically does a 180 degree flip after the movie arc, since Reiji needed a reason for Kazuya and Chizuru not to get together even though that was the perfect opportunity. Up until that point she was mostly shown as being headstrong and confident, basically giving credence to the idea that she was indeed too good for Kazuya. She started becoming more mopey but seemed to be getting more comfortable with the idea that she likes him around the pool arc, and when that ended in a nothingburger, this utterly retarded plot point about her not understanding her feelings was pulled out of Reiji's ass to justify further stretching.

Also, if she's actually intended to be portrayed as a bad but sympathetic person, that's been done poorly as well. Basically everyone who isn't Mami or Ruka bends over backwards to excuse every little thing she does. She never faces any consequences for her actions, either. How many times does Kazuya need to be shown at his lowest before we get anything even remotely similar with Chizuru?Mami shitting on her doesn't count since she's literally the villain, and even when there's room for someone to finally lash out at her (for example Ruka getting angry at her after turning Kazuya into a neet for 3 months), those opportunities are ignored.

>>282119039
>Mami shitting on her doesn't count since she's literally the villain
Mami isn't shitting on her, Mami is just saying the truth about her.

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>>282118690
damn bros how did he get surrounded by such cute neighbors

>>282118668
>I'm curious how this whole thing plays out
The exact same way that the cohabitation arc ended

>>282118668
It'll obviously be another rug pull, the question is what will be the cause. Reiji has to let Chizuru have her cake and eat it too, so I doubt the play will be some kind of catalyst to make her realize she actually wants to be with Kazuya more than she wants to act. I think Mami or Ruka will probably have something to do with it.

>>282119039
>Chizuru's complexity is skin deep since you can just summarize it by saying she's an extreme hypocrite, and even worse, it's fake as fuck.
Everyone can be summarized by a single word or sentence depending how we feel about the character. The complexity of her character comes from the amount of experiences Reiji has written for her and the few consistencies that have come through them. I don't want to insinuate that this was Reiji's plan for his characters, not even Chizuru, when he started writing it. I'm sure he's winged it along the way. But in the process he created, what I feel and you could disagree, a complex imperfect character that can make people feel different ways.
I find beauty in that.
I normally don't write more than 2 sentences worth of posts but discussing Chizuru has me writing posts I'm not fond of writing but find fun in externalizing my love for her. This probably doesn't make sense to you but its up to you if you want to read my POV.
Everything you've said about her is fair. She's done horrible shit. It's up to us to decide if we forgive Chizuru and move on or take her actions personally and harbor resentment toward her.
As far as the writing goes, it's done poorly as well I admit. But it doesn't make it any less enjoyable just because Reiji failed to address certain points here or didn't punish other characters there.
The way I see it the frustration comes from the lack of structure in the story, where most people are used to a beginning, middle and end. People know they're in the middle but are searching for that "end". Where is it? Why hasn't Mami been addressed yet? Why does Mini keep hanging out with Kazuya? Why won't Kazuya and Chizuru finally sit down to talk without misunderstandings and get to the point once and for all? Every Monday they show up hoping for Reiji to answer one of those questions, don't see it and doompost all over again. Maybe rage baiting is their coping mechanism despite their deep denial for it?

>>282120544
I've been on 4chan since 2004 and this is literally my first post in which I've ever hit the character limit (2000 characters it gave me) that I had to delete a couple of paragraphs. That is crazy.

>>282120352
>I think Mami or Ruka will probably have something to do with it.
Kazuya oses his virginity with one of them, it ends being a traumatic experience, but for Chizuru, Kazuya's stocks grew in the dating market. Now he has experience, so he is at east 1% manier with that.
What Chizuru hides is that she had to do it with Umi "because it's for rehearsal purposes"

>>282109231
I think I hate Mini

>>282120544
Fair enough, it's ultimately just a difference of opinion, and kudos to you for actually acknowledging the poor writing. For me personally, it's not the lack of proper structure or even the pacing that irritates me, it's that the entire second half of the manga is a prolonged humiliation ritual. Kazuya tries his hardest, all his efforts get shit on, Chizuru does something horrendous, dodges accountability (but gives him a crumb of affection to keep him stuck in this loop), nobody learns anything, repeat ad nauseam. To me, Reiji could have Chizuru firmly reject Umi and then spend the next 5 arcs thirsting after Kazuya's dick, and it still wouldn't put them on even ground.

Imo, everything after the movie arc has felt like reading a shonen manga that keeps raising the stakes and building up tension only for the MC to decide to defeat the bad guy by waiting for him to die of old age. Like yeah, we all knew it was gonna happen eventually and it's realistic that he dies of old age, but it doesn't make for a good story. It's certainly intentional that Chizuru has issues, but how many times should we be forced to watch everyone but her take action to progress the story forward? I have no problem with her making poor decisions as a result of her trauma or whateverthefuck, but they're never portrayed as being bad. Kazuya doubting her for the past few chapters is a step in the right direction but it feels so cheap after everything, specially with Mini running circles around him telling him how great she is.

Also, 8 years into serialization and 400 chapters in and the two can't even interact normally. Kazuya lies through his teeth while drooling at Chizuru's tits, and she communicates with him through scoffing and lecturing him, only to not practice what she preaches just a few chapters later, hence my hypocrite remark. It's irritating to have to read over and over again.

>>282109207
>cafe ends in 8 chapters
For fucks sake we are yet to have a proper Ami burtal defloration chapter

>>282121300
At the end of the day it does boil down to a difference of opinion and different things we find enjoyable. There also seems to be a different tolerance level we have to some of the BS the characters pull off.
A lot, and I do mean a lot, of the things Chizuru (and Kazuya) do in the story piss me off whenever I see them doing them, but after stepping back and seeing the bigger picture I'm just like "is it really a big deal?".
A quick example I'll mention is whenever Chizuru is going to apologize for something wrong she did to Kazuya, but Kazuya either always stops her, tells her its not a big deal or thinks of Chizuru as some sort of saint (she isn't). For me it's like: accept the apology and don't minimize what she did and use that as a bonding opportunity where you can talk. But no...
But this plays into what I mean about me liking these characters. Seldomly do I ever see any interesting character never upset me off in one way or another.
The other fair point you made was that about Chizuru's actions never being portrayed as bad. I'd probably agree with you if it was obvious that Reiji was trying to send out a message or give more meaning in regards to the story as a whole. But instead it seems like he just created this little world where people can just assume what they want from the characters, make a judgment on them and move on.
It really is a character study rather than a cautionary tale on what to do/not to do. And Reiji's personal challenge on how far he can go with it.

>>282121300
>and she communicates with him through scoffing and lecturing him,
Still Kazuya ends disobeying her scofflings and lectures.
>only to not practice what she preaches just a few chapters later
All because Kazuya keeps disobeying her and still pushes the hero button.

Everything would be solved if Chizuru instead of scoffling and lecturing him (because it causes the opposite effect), asks him why he's hellbent on not listening to her advices.

>>282121300
Anime watcher only here, I started this new season and 4 episodes in It's so fucking boring, the movie arc is done but there's nothing relevant or consequences about making a movie and the crying scene, It's like they just push reset button and that's it

>>282119406
>Mami isn't shitting on her, Mami is just saying the truth about her.
Kazuya is about to accept his goddess may be an actual devil at worst, shinigami at best.
The alleged "devil" and the blue oni tried to tell him the truth all these times, but he didn't want to listen.

Well, if he loves her, he'll have to accept she may be the lowest human being ever. If he can't accept Chizuru once he finds out the human reject she actually is, then it's not love, but just lust.

>>282122704
>It's like they just push reset button and that's it
Not the first, nor the last time.

>>282110504
>Medaka
anything significant happened after the girl said she was kidding about the confession? (What a cunt by the way....the author).
>>282113311
Let's say that your gal wins....where was the romance?

>>282123964
Umi isn't black tho

>>282124075
>Let's say that your gal wins....where was the romance?
It's less about the romance and more about Hayato projecting his future with someone.
Similar to Fuutarou's choice.