I don't get it. Why is One Piece more popular?
>>282179117Naruto is poorly written and doesn't manage its stakes, promises, and payoffs properly. One Piece is not the best ever or anything, but it knows what it needs to do in order to be what it's trying to be.
because it's still going
>>282179117Naruto ended.
Serious question: how do One Piece fans get past the art style? Both the manga and anime are incredibly ugly. Do they actually like the ugliness? Or do they just overlook it because they like the writing?
>>282179215>>282179223This. Covid and the live action did wonders for One Piece's popularity in America.
Nobody gave a shit about One Piece in 2004.
>>282179243It's just like your standard western cartoon.
>>282179243I also think the character designs are ugly, but the overall aesthetic of the series is very cartoonish, bright and colorful, and it stands out from other shonen with more conventional designs so I can see the appeal even if it's not my thing.
>>282179117Animation? Those are still images.
>>282179117>says animation>posts cherry-picked still frames
>>282179344>>282179358Cope
>>282179117>Why is One Piece more popular?It's not? Naruto shot itself in the head with Boruto, but at its heyday it was way more popular.
>>282179117I got the joke OP
>>282179117>Animation>Static images
>>282179215Thread ended here, everyone else is a faggot.
We owe Narutards an apology, OPbros
people seriously complain about the semantic issue, and not the incredible blatant baiting cherry picking?Plus that is not even a frame of the actual episode, either from a recreation several years later, or it's fanart. This is how it actually looked like
>>282179243I think the artstyle is legitimately good, up until the timeskip or so. It's fun, not edgy. Unique. Memorable character designs that really make all the major players unique (even most of the sameface women have enough detail to make them stand out, unlike the 6 bleach squad captains that I can't fucking tell apart)But yeah, current day one piece art is inexcusable. If Oda'd just hire an artist, we could get great art, he could spend more time writing, and less time taking breaks. But it's either japanese pride or green that keeps him from doing a weekly chapter for like 28 fucking years
>>282179117>>282180543That image is from the Naruto 20th Anniversary trailer, which was made in 2023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczGoCmX-pI
>>282179117>Popular =/= Influencial impactUnironically Bleach won
>>282180471That's a terrible comparison
>>282180698I watched the anime and dropped it because the filler sucked and the real stuff wasn't like what came before soul society (which is what I wanted more of all along)I'm sure I'll enjoy the manga but from my experience Bleach was just unfulfilled promises and wasted time
>>282179257>t. americanOne piece was widely popular in Europe and the rest of the world, people saw it as the new dragon ball back then. Comic book conventions in France and Italy in the early 2000s where full of one piece and naruto cosplays, and there were infinite amounts of dedicated websites and forums. The rest of the world has enjoyed peak fiction for 28 years.
>>282179117For me, it's the worldbuilding that One Piece can't be beat in. What other 1000+ chapter manga foreshadows characters or events hundreds of chapters ago and have a satisfying reveal and payoff? You follow the Straw Hats on their journey, but you also get to see glimpses of all the other factions simultaneously. I don't care about the fights that much post time skip since it's just nigga haki and now G5 bullshit. I thought it'd be more interesting like awakened devil fruit type shit, but nah.
>>282180861>What other 1000+ chapter manganame 5
>>282180907All I can think of is Ippo and Detective Conan? That's probably why Oda can do those build ups, because he knows he won't be axed.
>>282179243It's a case of the art style serving a purpose for the tone and general kind of story being told It's smarter than just "here's how I draw characters"OP in the AOT style would suck, and AOT in the OP style would suck, for example
>>282179255Those only finally just fixed what would have otherwise already been a huge sensation for the last two decades if it wasn't for that 4kids release. >b-but with it's goofyness it would not have been popular! Nope, as proven by the Europe releases that had also been slightly censored yet were hugely popular. If the burgers didn't have that 4kids disaster it would have been like that as well.
>>2821812824kids dub was fine looking back. Chopper's story was still sad and I liked Sanji, Robin, and Zoro's voices. Yeah, the censorship is stupid and the pirate rap was awful, but the problem was Americans and anime competing with Pokemon and Yugioh.
Naruto was a 1 trick pony, it was more popular for a while until it stopped, boruto probably also didn't help.Meanwhile one piece is more of a slow burn, it started relatively obscure slowly rising in popularity until it became even more popular.What's the lesson here?I dunno, but it's interesting.
>>282179117Pirates vs Ninjas
>>282179243The one piece art style is fine. Oda can draw sexy characters he just intentionally chooses to make most of them ugly because funny people gotta be funny looking and one piece is a comedy series 40% of the time
>>282181332This. If dub Yugioh managed to not only catch on, but actually get unironically defended with "it's SUPPOSED to sound retarded", there's no reason dub One Piece couldn't have.
>>282179117It isn't.
>>282179243This is what I asked myself looking at some panels when I was 10 and had just finished db. Got used to it pretty quickly though. Finding out that Luffy stretching was a power and not fucked up perspective helped a lot.
>>282181791>hours watch per hours available>one piece is 3 times the length of naruto>one piece actual had more watch time than naruto but is lower on the list because the massive amount of episodesThis is a really stupid way to present data
>>282179257In your place maybe. Here it was the big thing before naruto hit tv.
>>282181282>Nope, as proven by the Europe releases that had also been slightly censoredwtf are you talking about it was never censored outside murricaca
>>282181905>one piece actual had more watch time than naruto but is lower on the list because the massive amount of episodesThats a wild cope anon
>>282179117kill yourself narutard
>>282182060It's literally what the image shows.
>>282179255>Covid and the live action did wonders for One Piece's popularity in America.>from 0 sales to 1kWow thank you jewflix
>>282179255>live actionI wouldn't watch that abomination even if Oda pays me
>>282179117top looks gaybottom looks kino
>>282179117I really want to give One Piece a chance because it feels like I'm missing out on a definite cornerstone of anime as a whole, but the episode count scares me off and it feels like I'll never catch up.
>>282179117>animation>posts screencapsNaruto was a slideshow 90% of the time btw.
>>282182072>>282182060>>282181905>>282181791Basically what the image says is that 1 viewer = the entire length of the show in question. Naruto is 288 hours in length (720 episodes x 24 minutes), so 40 million viewers is 11.52 trillion hours watched.One Piece though was around 1122 episodes at the time of this chart, which means it's 488.8 hours in length. that means nearly 12.6 trillion hours of OP were watched on Netflix. Similarly, this means Conan is probably the most watched thing on Netflix in general. We'll just say 1200 episodes which puts it at 480 hours. 18.24 trillion hours of watch time.
It wasn't and still isn't
>>282182253cope Bortard
>>282179117Naruto was more popular in 2004, and for good reasons
>>282182465in america, in japan OP was more popular almost the entire time
>>282182162It's not going anywhere you can take your time. Also reading is an option if the anime is too much of a drag for you.
>>282179165it's quite literally the best and most consistently well written one until marineford
>>282179117hotter girls
>>282179243i agree OP looks like shit and i can't imagine investing in something that's so goddamn uglynot to mention i know it's like 1000 volumes so my main takeaway is "there is no way that 1000 volumes is good" it's obviously tons of filler and horseshit. otherwise oda is like the best writer on the planet (he's not)
>>282182604yes the "hotter girls" no one is posting on a board full of hot chicks from other shows kek
>>282182162>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ROT0NtUQqHE?feature=sharegood luck
>>282182060No, it's math, and simple one at that
>>282179117Cause Naruto is GAY. Seriously, I don't know how it flies over the heads of so many fans but Naruto is the gayest protagonist ever. I read capeshit and watched all of Steven Universe but dropped Naruto cause of how gay it is.
MT mogs the shit out of Narutardo and One Piss
>>282182162I tried to get into one piece 2 times already and dropped it. Its not even the high episode count, I dig pirates too, but everything about one piece is just off putting and boring to me. I guess its like a DBZ effect whereas you have a shitton of kids growing up with it becoming part of their identity.I guess its one of those animes which you either love or not without a middle ground.Narutos strongest appeal is that it was at the absolute right place in the right time and slipstreamed the y2k culture. If you were a loser kid, who had the I'm actually a hidden potential mentality, you definitely loved naruto back then.
Carrot is shit.
>>282182737Definitely gay opinion
>>282179117>Why is One Piece more popular?The Naruto manga ended over 10 years ago anon.
Dunno in how many countries they do that, but Burger King is aggressively promoting OG Naruto right now. Yes, OG Naruto. Not Boruto, not Shippuuden, but pre-time-skip Naruto... in 2025. To be fair the only part of Boruto I ever watched was the time-travel arc where Boruto met OG Naruto and they played the OG OST of that as well.I swear, one point most people vastly underestimate about the charm of the Big 3 is that they all had a phenomenal OST. More recent battle-shounen all lack that.
>>282182876True. I admit I can't tell if maybe up to 90% of loving early one piece is just nostalgia. Most fans probably spent way more of their lifetime with it than without it.
>>282181332I don't believe that you unironically like 4kids Sanji voice.https://youtu.be/HyUvxscZnMY?si=LSX4_2AwlF69SIxo
>>282183750It fits him perfectly.
>>282179117imagine luffy dropping a "we're not so different, you and i" to:Arlong, Lucci, Moria, Doflamingo, Kaido, Imu
>>282183815Arlong asked him about the difference between them and Luffys wild guess was 'the nose'.
>>282181905It makes sense for typical Netflix shows that are basically 6 hour long movies, it's just retarded for licensed shows with episodes in the hundreds.
>>282179165Naruto has the best plot, universe, fights in any shonen jump series
>>282179117Animation isn't artwork. Your static image isn't indicative of animation quality.
>>282184419When is the last time you read Naruto?
>>282181791One Piece is the most forced shit going overseas, I see it in every anime store but the stock is always full while everything around it gets sold.Bandai wants to fake it until they make it and can't admit they bet on a bad horse because normies don't wanna watch a 1200 episode anime looney tunes, they want something serious or cool.
>>282179243The girls are really attractive when they cry. And there's a lot of crying.
>>282179243They get told>bro it gets better at chapter 200and by that point it's sunk/cost
>>282184419
>>282179243I initially thought the same of plenty of anime and artstyles I ended up liking like Geass, Yugioh, CLAMPstuff, Fate/Zero or chinese puppets so now I just try not to let an artstyle stop me from starting a show that looks interesting. Dislike is more often than not just a lack of visual education. Once you've been exposed and inoculated there's a decent chance you'll end up liking it. Or maybe you'll still find it ugly but in that case you can always just drop it later.
>>282179117>Animation>Posts a still image
>>282184419>NARUTO, you're an infant who's just lost both your parents and I won't tell you there's a demon fox sealed inside of you, but I will tell the entire village, all the adults in your life will hate and fear you for this and you won't understand why and I'll do nothing to dissuade them from this belief. Also, live on your own in your parents old place, I'll drop by once a week to give you your allowance to live off of and you're enrolled into ninja school when you're old enough, I will do nothing else with you so good luck learning reading, math, biology, and history on your own, or keeping yourself alive for that matter.>what a sad fate befell this poor kid, if only there was something I could do about his situation... hey Danzo how's the Uchiha extermination plan going? I am literally your boss and I don't agree with it but I won't lift a finger to stop you either>What's that, you're shaming and manipulating that kid Itachi into murdering his entire family to do it? That's wild AND evil and it's sad things have come to this...Oh well, carry on, those Uchiha's ain't gonna murder themselves, oh wait they are LOL>damn, what a sad fate befell this kid Sasuke, if only I could have done something... but letting the elders and Danzo exterminate his entire clan was the only way to stop the Uchiha coup, I'm pretty sure no one could have talked sense into them. I don't know, because I didn't try, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have done anythingbest plot
>>282184419Naruto's plot was good. In the beginning. Once late stage shounen syndrome set in it turned to shit. Naruto's universe was interesting. In the beginning. Once they introduced moon people it turned to shit. Naruto's fights were good. In the beginning. Once started trying to ripoff DBZ it turned to shit.
>>282185345It's the will of fire. You wouldn't get it.
>>282182173OP has maybe like 5 new frames an episode
>>282183337in France its always One Piece,DB and Pokemon, before it finished they also did some MHA colab
>>282184419Naruto? Maybe. Naruto Shippuden? No.
>>282179243I see them as toons or toys, so it's fine for them to look goofy as fuck, and the choreography used to be excellent. It's kinda alright these days.
>>282179117One piece is better. That's all.
>>282185539Oh yeah it was only once a month, I forgot just how bad he treated Naruto for literally no reason kek, best plot
>>282182622There's no filler in the manga
>>282185841Chopper was so ugly and fat backthen
>>282179117Naruto shat the bed really hard with shipuden, many readers got outraged and the hype died.One Piece also shat the bed but in the long run, veeeeery slowly, and people didn't notice.
>>282179117because N*G...
Pre-timeskip OP was the only of the Big Three with any worthwhile narrative.
>>282179117How did an autismal elf mogg both?!
>>282179117only one of them is a true Toriyama successor
>>282179117In Japan, One Piece is more popular than Naruto.Naruto only beats One Piece in the West.The thing is, Naruto is basically a fake and superficial ninja series. Japanese people actually know what real ninja are supposed to be, so they don’t buy into it the same way. That’s why they prefer One Piece. Even One Piece knows what a real ninja is better than Naruto.
>>282179117This is not Naruto animation in 2004 this shit is from the 20th year aniversary
>>282179117Reminder that Naruto would be one to debate with Charlie while Luffy would shot him
>>282188558>Naruto only beats One Piece in the Westnope and even in murrica MHA beat Naruto
>>282182604Fun fact, even though One Piece has more ugly men, One Piece has hotter and better females than Naruto.
>>282186092By that logic, Bleach did a turbo explosive diarrhea shat
>>282188558>Naruto is basically a fake and superficial ninja series. Japanese people actually know what real ninja are supposed to be, so they don’t buy into it the same wayThis, in itself, is an incredibly westoid myth. Naruto was never based on historical shinobis (nothing is, they were just guys dressing up as workers to spy around, it's not exciting). Naruto is based on Meiji era pulp novels about Jiraiya and the like, where heavily mythologised ninjas cast magic spells, summon giant animals and do all this shit. Everybody is aware of them in Japan, but they're completely unknown to superficial westoid weebs desperate to sound like wise experts.
>>282184419>Such lies and faggotryNarutofags deserves to be shot
>>282186407Frieren can’t even beat CSM, which has already completely fallen off.
>>282188869>biggest anime of all time can't beat a forgotten fotmwat
>>282186546Imagine fighting who gets to be a second Toriyama while modern mangakas are actually fighting who gets to be a second Kubo
>>282179243I used to think like this, got over it really fast and like most of the designs
>>282189057>cant be in top with the best of the best >has to drop to bottom tier instead
>>282179243Big ass boobs.
>>282189291
>>282184705All the One Piece astroturfing feels fake as fuck. It came out of nowhere.
>>282188793>>282184807>>282184505>>282179165Shit Piece fags so pathetic
>>282181791sad true for shit piecefags
>>282179117Naruto was much more popular in the west in the 00's and early 10's, before it shit the bed with the manga's quality drop in writing.
>ameristan hour>shitposting about kinopieceproof that Naruto is only loved by 3rd worlder
Come on man
One Piece isn't edgy enough. I guarantee you if the MC was Zoro instead and he had an asura demon inside him giving him power One Piece would have been even more popular with teens
>>282189693These are FAR from the worst freeze frames. I mean, most of them are Shippuuden. OG Naruto was a QUALITY show even in motion. Also Pain faces are a low hanging fruit.
>>282179257I started reading OP in 2003 when Viz started releasing it in the US
>>282179117cuz boruto sucks
>>282180471B but davy jones is joyboy
>>282181791Wow, Studio Ghibli is my favorite franchise! I loved Season 5!
>>282179117Bleach is more popular too.Naruto dropped the ball with the awful sequel
>>282189771you're brown
>>282189693Why would you pause? I don't look at anime frame by frame, the final product is what matters.>>282189694This. Edge would've made it more popular, it was too goofy while dark shows for cool kids existed.
>>282189393And ur assblasted Narutranny, no fuck back to your insignificance and retarded shipping wars because the best girl won and all you fags do is spam blacked NTR porn of hers and temari to cope
>>282179117>Studio Pierrot >>>>> Toeiit's that simple
>>282179117It isn't. https://www.cbr.com/naruto-netflix-anime-outgrow/
>>282189796I've enjoyed it, I'm not even gonna lie. But they fucked up the power levels big time, everyone can fly now and teleport, back in the day Flying Raijin was an SSS+++ forbidden jutsu. Now if you can't teleport someone is gonna leave your ass in another dimension to die.
The only way to save Boruto is to bring back Naurto from the shadow realm and make him fight without Kurama which we always wanted to see.Maybe he can train to get stronger or use his brain more, at the level he's at Edgelord-kun had to kidnap him for his own safety.
>>282189933so simple that its not true in talent , pay and worklife balance
>>282189897btwI will never forget the rivers of salt when Hinata won at the end, /a/ literally overloaded the dell pc's that hosted 4chan.
>>282190083Although old art can still be great.
>>282181791>NETFLIXThe name itself makes me aggressive.Fucking cancer.
The truth? Oda and Kishimoto are lifelong rivals.Naruto is bigger internationally. One Piece is bigger domestically.
>>282179243This was my main gripe with the series, just like Code Geass. And just like Code Geass, you get used to it.
>>282179117>>282179215Because it's actual good and Naruto is fucking cringe? The writing, characters, no foreshadowing and the garbage symbolism. It's fucking atrocious. Kishi only knew how to draw.
>>282190198Nah, One Piece is getting things and deals Naruto never could. On a world wide scale. The OP TCG is fucking massive now too. Only pokemon and magic are bigger.
>>282190083Somewhere, somehow, Gemini Saga saw this and cried tears of joy when he garp said GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLAXY as if he was going to send all of the island to hell with a GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLATIC EXXXXXXXXXPLOOOOOSION!>>282190198One Piece got bigger than Naruto ever wished to be, even gintama mocks Kishimoto and Naruto for dropping the ball hard with DB and OP getting a second wind.
>>282179243what you got a problem with this?
Can I ask Anons something? Why do you Naruto fans hate girls who wear mini skirts and instead like shorts under the skirt?
>>282179243Art style is what makes it stand out.
>>282179117Because it's a better story with better characters>>282179243I don't watch the anime, but the art style of the manga is a bonus for me, I don't like what most manga look like. It's got that cartoonish flair to it that makes it bearable.
>>282181108OP in AOT style would suck because the art in AOT is garbage.
>>282185875>it's obviously tons of filler and horseshit. otherwise oda is like the best writer on the planet (he's not)no long-form fiction over 30 years old is free of filler
>>282179243You don't try to get past it, you embrace it.
>>282190198>Naruto is bigger internationallymaybe in your big empty brown head
>>282190429
>>282181905It's essentially a per capita measurement dummy, it makes perfect sense.
>>282189857Why does me reading OP back then mean I'm brown? Legitimately interested in your thought process.
>>282179243Because the art is good. Characters actually have different facial proportions, unlike 99% of anime/manga.
>>282186092Depends on what you mean by shat the bed, with One Piece most of the post timeskip was a slog, but when it got to Whole Cake Island it was fun again, and has remained at a pretty consistent level of quality ever since. I don't hate Wano as much as most anons though. The final saga has been pretty good so far too, but as things get more mythological we'll see if Oda can stick the landing. Overall pre timeskip is much better, but current One Piece isn't bad at all.>>282186048Ugly and fat Chopper>>>>>mascot Chopper, and his nu-forms like Kung fu are ugly, lame abominations.
>>282190429One Piece has a similar problem.
>>282179243It's crazy for me to see these kinds of opinions because the artstyle has always been one of my favorite aspects of One Piece. I really like how Oda manages to make most of the characters memorable in looks regardless of whether he's trying to make them attractive or ugly. I also think the Straw Hats are one of the best (if not the best) main cast in manga in design alone.
>>282181282>>282181755The 4kids dub of OP actually did catch on in the UK for a bit. Problem was after the run Toei shafted Britbongs and we got fuck all for over half a decade
>>282181755I think a major problem with some of the One Piece dubs is that they give Luffy the most femininely squeaky voice anyone could have, turning an endearing character into an annoying one. Some people make fun of the Spanish dub of Luffy, saying he sounds like a porn actor, but I prefer that a million times over aberrations like the American and Mexican dubs of Luffy. If you make your main character seem annoying, it's hard to get people hooked. The Spanish dub didn't make that mistake, which is why One Piece was more popular in Spain than in any American country for many years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9nEnAn3Rwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mVEyMoj-mg
>>282179243Get past? The art style is one of the main appeals.
>>282179117>Narutard lying>also, linking popularity to frames of the animeStupid hybristophilic retard.
>>282193690But he IS squeaky whiny and annoying sometimes. I'd think voice actors could just act.
>>282190759naurto aired on aryan television in germany and in my 100% white back in 2005 countryI know you swarthoids desperately want to be some sort of authority on something and accuse others of being brown while being not that much better than average shitskin
>>282194641He can be annoying, I guess (I rarely find him annoying, but I get that not everyone is a massive Luffyfag like me), but not because of his voice. Mayumi Tanaka's voice is the best thing that could have happened to the One Piece anime, no other dub can replicate it. The best thing you can do is just give him a male voice, like they did in the Spain dub.
>>282190198Naruto had a lot of things that helped it become bigger internationally; many good video games, a better anime adaptation with a studio that had at least some appreciation for the source material. Oda shouldn't feel bad since he's been the one carrying this franchise for the most part.
>>282179117It has soul.
>>282179243The anime in 99->07 (when they changed to 720p at LRLL) looked pretty good. It got EVEN CHEAPER looking in the later stages of EL and never recovered (well, wano at times looked good but would then nose dive). Either way as a long running battle shounen toei weren't really putting in the effort, no one was watching for the top animation, and even 'important' climax fights quality would vary.Like fuck, I've watched a handful of mecha from the 70s that are worse, have even more reused frames and are off model far more than OP.
>>282193690Just want to say I love Mayumi Tanaka's voice in general and I'm amazed at how she's still got it. She was perfectly cast as Luffy, and I'll be curious to hear who they cast for everyone in the Wit anime remake. I've seen a couple posters say they'd like to hear a male voice act Luffy. Not sure how the Japanese would feel about it, but I'm open to the idea. Honestly Funimation could've cast a guy too, maybe.
>>282179243The very first villain is some fat bitch that gets one shotted, it's clear the point is for the series to be humorous. Ugly is funny.
>>282179243One Piece has the best artstyle ever made
The one piece rap was soulful
>>282190198Kishimoto should've tried chewing even more squid Oda should've made even more people or everyone black trannies in the netflix live action if he cares so much about popularity
>>282179243i really like the early art style of the 90s and early 2000'sim sad the art changed over the years
>>282197752I sometimes like the new one too but I really miss Luffys greasy looking hair.
>>282181710Oda has actually drawn some of the most edgy-looking motherfuckers in shonen, but for some reason people love to pretend these characters don't exist and that every character in One Piece looks like Vegapunk or Big Mom. It's as if they were constantly trying to convince themselves that everything about One Piece is bad and goofy so they don't have to read or watch it.
>>282179243ugly is funny
>>282199067Big Mom is a kino design, only tasteless fags can't appreciate it.
