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>>282187611
Can you not? Just talk about Dragon Ball like a normal person dude

Not having any shenanigans between Gohan as Great Saiyaman and the Gammas felt like a missed opportunity. At least Xenoverse 2 capitalized on it

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23 years since that day huh. Waku Waku time sure does fly. Those buildings were pretty strong

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So what's the best viewing order to show the Dragon Ball movies/special to someone who doesn't know anything about the series? How they came out or in an order structured to allow them to get the gist of what the actual story is about? If it's the latter, how about this order?:
>Bardock Special
>Path to Power
>Blood Rubies
>Sleeping Princess
>Mystical Adventure
>Dead Zone
>World's Strongest
>Tree of Might
>Lord Slug
>Cooler 1
>Trunks Special
>Cooler 2
>Android 13
>Broly 1
>Bojack
>Broly 2
>Broly 3
>Fusion Reborn
>Wrath of the Dragon
>Battle of Gods (preferably the longer cut for this exercise)
>Resurrection F (the one with Trunks if you can find it)
>New Broly
>Super Hero

And a condensed list just for them to get it would be:
>Bardock Special
>Path to Power
>Sleeping Princess
>Mystical Adventure
>Dead Zone
>Lord Slug
>Cooler 1
>Trunks Special
>Bojack
>Battle of Gods
>Resurrection F
>New Broly
>Super Hero

>>282188395
Why would you show the movies to someone who never saw anything from the show

>>282187107
Gohan taking over the ending completely tanked the movie.

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GODly.

>>282188395
This is the peak of I have nothing else to talk about so I'll ask a stupid question in a vain attempt to start conversation

>>282187107
A mismanaged money making machine.

Why don't they use the Dragon Balls to turn Bejita into a senzu bean plant so they can grow more senzu beans faster?

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Wtf. You guys never told me Tien was in Sailor Moon

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>>282189449

>>282187107
It's "Piccolo - THE MOVIE" so it's great.
My only problem with it is that Gohan's power up felt unearn and unsatisfying but that's Gohan in a nutshell

https://strawpoll.com/2ayLQX7GMn4

>>282188130
24 years actually, Goku.

It was pretty awful. Both Gohan and Piccolo's new transformations sucked ass. Main villain was a literal Cell clone with less personality than the original. Both the Gammas were insufferable and unfunny as fuck.
Genuinely hope they just let the DB rest because everything that they release with its name nowadays is pure fucking trash.

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>>282190881

>>282190881
Lemme guess you love Broly movie even though the same issues apply kek

>>282187107
>what are your overall thoughts on it?
Shit story, great fights.
>Would you have changed anything in the story about it?
Even if we were to fix the plot the fundamental premise of the movie is so bad you might as well make a different movie.

>>282188395
>Read the manga
>watch the movies on release order

The only one you "have" to watch is the garlick one if you're watching the Z anime.

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>Orange Piccolo sucks, he didn't earn the transformation!!!
>OMG I LOVE HOW GOKU GOES SSJ4 BY HAVING SOMEONE ELSE PULL OUT HIS TAIL
>OMG I LOVE HOW VEGETA GOES SSJ4 THANKS TO BULMA'S BLUTZ WAVES
>OMG I LOVE HOW GOHAN TURNED SSJ2 BY....um....getting really really mad at some guy he's never even met before dying?
>OMG I LOVE HOW GRANOLAH BECAME THE STRONGEST THANKS TO A WISH
>OMG I LOVE HOW GOKU BECAME MUI BY...um....not thinking....?
>OMG I LOVE HOW GOKU GOES NU SSJ4 BY A NAMEKIAN UNLOCKING IT FOR HIM
>OMG I LOVE HOW GOTENKS TURNED SSJ3 BY TRAINING FOR FIVE MINUTES
>OMG I LOVE HOW VEGETA TURNED MAJIN THANKS TO BABIDI'S MAGIC AND GOT A HUGE POWER BOOST BROOOO THAT'S THE PEAK OF THE SERIES

>>282191010
Get their asses anon
Hypocritical ass fans

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>>282190194
God, i'm so fuckin' old...
That's like 5 more years until i'm 30
Jesus

>>282191010
If dragon balls can unlock your full potential and even give you more power then that undermines almost every previous arc.
I would have no issue if they at least wrote some contrivance to make Piccolo the only one who can.

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Is Goku a good dad?

>>282187107
Isn't Cell Max basically just Hirudegarn?

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>>282191472

>>282191617
Hirudegarn is magical and sealed inside Tapion. Cell Max is scientific and is based on 2nd form Cell. They are both big bugs with fundamentally different natures and levels of power.

>>282191472
No. Toriyama said he wasn't.

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>>282191472

>>282191010
Yeah pretty much all transformations are unearned garbage. At least Vegeta supposedly earned SS1 and SS2 through actual training and Goku earned SS3 that way as well even if he was dead.

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>>282191840

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Number 18 the Fastest.

>>282187107
The first half was fun, it turns into shit when Cell MAX shows up.

>>282191010
>>OMG I LOVE HOW GOHAN TURNED SSJ2 BY....um....getting really really mad at some guy he's never even met before dying?
He was mad because Cell was torturing his friends in front of him, 16 only pushed him off the edge.

>>282187107
It's OK
Piccolo Orange is such a shitty transformation though

>>282192151
>Raditz tortures Goku
>Gohan snaps and attacks
>Vegeta tortures Goku
>Gohan snaps and attacks
>Dodoria is about to kill Dende
>Gohan snaps and attacks
>Freeza tortures Krillin
>Gohan snaps and attacks

>Cell tortures all of his friends and families and orders the Cell Jrs. to kill them
>Gohan "W-WAAAAAH! I-I-I DUNNO WHAT TO DO, I'M NOT A FIGHTER I'M A PACIFIST! DADDY HELP ME!"
God Cell Saga Gohan was so bad

>>282191472
Yes.

>>282187107
Gohan's power-up was unearned and I can't take it seriously because of the hair.
I wish the 'final boss' wasn't a giant, red Semi-Perfect Cell. I have no problem with them using Cell's data to make it, but a more unique design and name would've been nice.

>>282192277
He was close to snap anyways but one of his friends would have died. Gohan being a pacifist is also a meme, he just wasn't into fighting and killing.

>>282187107
holy kino

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>>282191010
My only gripe with orange piccolo is that it could've been tied to a namek centric movie or saga, huge missed opportunity in my opinion, nobody gives a fuck about how they shoehorn ssj4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 but one of the oldest and most centric side characters in the show gets their equivelant of ssj and it just happens randomly in some hole.

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wakey wakey

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>Bejita jobbing to Broly
Canon

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All right, what the hell did this guy ever do? He was the alleged guardian of earth, but he didn't guard anything. His evil side was terrorizing Earth and he just sat in his gay little house like a bitch

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>calls himself prince of all four Saiyans
>makes zero effort to revive one of his four remaining brethren
>kills another
>constantly tries, and fails, to kill his last remaining kinsman
>never so much as considers bringing back the Saiyans or planet Vegeta
>completely rejected Nappa's entirely reasonable and intelligent idea to use earth women harems to create human-saiyan hybrids
Damn, this y'all prince?

>spergs out against GOATku so much he's willing to destroy the planet, effectively committing suicide if it means HEROku catches some strays
>kills innocent Namekians because he needs to feel strong
>completely humiliated against the Ginyu Force, needs CHAMPIONku to save him
>beats up a literal child
>proceeds to cry like a baby when said child beats the shit out of Freeza
>gets killed by Freeza, cries like a menstruating woman in AVENGERku's arms
>gloats about killing Namekians until AURAFARMERcolo tells him to pipe down, which he proceeds to do like a bitch
>cries about LEGENDku going Super Saiyan first so hard his bitch tears make him go Super Saiyan
>gets his arm broken by a girl anyway
>lets Cell go perfect just because muh ego, proceeds to get the floor wiped with his face, dooming humanity if not for STRATEGISTku's 6 million IQ plan
>seethes over EXEMPLARku so hard he sells his soul to a floating ballsack
>insists on fighting STRONGESTku even if it means dooming the universe
>holds his own against a FAIRPLAYku who's holding back his final form
>"wins" through a cheap shot against SPORTSMANSHIPku while he was distracted by the universe eating monstrosity
>has a dramatic self-destruction that does absolutely NOTHING (DESTROYERku would've beaten Buu btw)
>fucks up so bad he needs both CHADku and CHADcule, the two true heroes of earth, to save his sniveling ass
Damn, this y'all GOAT?

Shall I make it worse? This is just off the top of my head, and excluding anything past the Buu saga. I have certainly overlooked many more RATgeta moments!

>>282187107
I hated that the way it was done, the whole movie felt like a PS5 DBZ video game with a 2 hour original cut scene. That is my main complaint.

>>282187107
It's good and fun

July 2019

>>282188395
Release order, always for everything unless it breaks the narrative flow; e.g. don't watch movies between the two episodes it happened to come out, move them to either post arc or some other breather space, like the 10 days before the Cell Games.

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>>282187107
I lost my shit in the cinema at the appearance of Gohan Blanco

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DBbros... Are we the laughing stock of anime?,

I have to admit a deep dark secret... I'm a GokuChad but respect Bejita

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>>282194908

>respecting a jobber

Done. Maybe go be a Gohanbro or something.

https://youtu.be/Ds4eH1x4FAc
Kino music

>>282187107
>make the entire movie look the same as the opening sequence, i.e. get rid of the garbage CGI
>remove Gohan as a main character and make the movie solely focused on Piccolo and Pan
>the Gammas are the big bads. no shitty Cell clone
>remove yellow Piccolo and make Orange the only power up
>before he transforms, the fight is pretty even until the Gammas fuse
>after getting beaten, Piccolo has an internal conversation with Kami and Nail and realizes he's still not utilizing their full potential, or his as the reincarnation of the Nameless Namekian
>flash of an Ajisa tree heralds his transformation into Orange Piccolo, the actual "Super Namekian" that has been alluded to before
>Dr. Hedo releases a wave of Alpha and Beta series Androids, prompting the others like Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Krillin to show up and fight alongside Piccolo
>final clash is a beam struggle between the Gamma fusion and Piccolo using Special Beam Cannon
>Gammas job and defuse
>everything happens mostly normally after that, Bulma explains the misunderstanding, the Gammas apologize, Dr. Hedo joins Capsule Corporation
>post-credits scene has Goku and Vegeta showing up and commenting on Piccolo's power in his new form
>they want to test it
>camera pans to Goku and Vegeta smirking as they power up
>pans back to Piccolo, who smirks back as Orange Piccolo

>>282187107
they definitely wasted cell and his rematch by making him a drooling retard

>>282196015
Fanfic.net

I dunno about all that but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.

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>>282196202
That describes the entirety of Shitper, yeah.

i have a similar problem as i did with the original android saga --- how can some scientist build a machine that can even hold a candle to namek-era goku? cell makes sense, but the androids make none

rehashing cell was weaksauce, and even then they only used him as a brutish monster. the original cell was fun because he was cunning and eloquent

piccolo having a latent ability that can rival super saiyan gods feels unearned. it would be different if there was buildup to this all throughout DB, or if there was a very high cost like permanently absorbing the dragon balls or some shit

gohan's latent ability has been touched on many times throughout the series, but in this it feels like he's rewarded with too much too fast. unearned

and while we're on the subject of power scaling, we don't constantly need to boost everyone's power so they make sense next to super saiyan gods. it was the same problem during the tournament of power. canonically, we know roshi would've gotten his ass handed to him in a bare knuckle fight against even raditz. so if you want to make him useful, you have to make him cunning. more focus on techniques and strategy, less on just 'omg, he trained and unlocked more power'. that's super fucking lazy

the whole thing feels very disconnected from the rest of DB Super, and only further drives the 'choose your own adventure' attitude towards what is or isnt canon at the current time

all that said, i do like the general idea of 'oh, goku and vegeta are busy. time to let some other characters shine'. gero's grandson and the gammas are also fine characters. it all just could've been handled better

>>282196316
I agree with everything you said. Well said Scholar.

>>282196316
I disagree with everything you said. Terribly said, retard.

>>282193549
Pretty sure Moro is the goat

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>I have to admit a deep dark secret... I'm a GokuChad but respect Bejita

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>>282196606
>I have to admit a deep dark secret... I'm a BejitaChad but respect Goku.

>>282187107
It was fucking garbage and killed Dragon Ball and also probably Toriyama

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This is MY hero, the man who composed the soundtrack for CHADgon CHADball Kai and the kino CHADokai games for the CHADstation 2. Say something nice about him.

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>No Bruce
You get the noose

>Optional soundtrack for the optional adaptation of the CHADnga
Yup yup, Yamamoto won

>>282196797
Plagiarism isn't wrong.

>>282196864
>No Pantera
You get the Electric Chair-a.

>>282196827
I can't believe Toriyama told him to change that.

I have to admit a deep dark secret... I'm a BejitaChad but think Goku is a kissless faggot

What if Goku went SSJ3 while in Ultra Instinct?

>>282196980
What's SSJ3?

>>282187670
Is Sakura trying to groom Gohan? Poor boy

>>282197041
Super Saiyan 3.

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>>282197041
Ultra Bejita 1

>>282191010
Yes these are all terrible, whats your point?

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GT? non canon

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>>282197835
It's canon to the anime.

>>282197880
Which isn't canon.

>>282187107
It's pretty bad. Cell Max, Beast Gohan, and Orange Piccolo are atrocious. It's what Super's most vociferous critics think Super is. I don't even think it looks very good, unlike Super Broly and Battle of the Gods.

>seething and coping over CanonT is all I have

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>>282197939

>>282193549
reminder he let sold out to babiddi cause he was having a mid-life crisis

Jobs to Meira

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>>282197919
Toriyama said the anime is canon to the manga. GT is canon. Youre overthinking a cartoon timeline.

>>282198012
>Toriyama said [headcanon]
See >>282197961

>Doesn't post proof in English

>>282198038
He's hoping no one calls that out because it doesn't actually say what he claims it does.

>>282197961
After EoZ the cast trained and discovered how to sense all kinds of energy, including what the Androids use and they call it Ki for brevity.
You Superfags don't understand how characters can grow and develop, so I don't blame for not realizing.

>>282198068
>literal made up headcanon never stated anywhere, even in GT
You lost (again).

>>282198068
Succinct and well-reasoned, and perfectly explains Trunks being able to sense Android 18.
Do you have a similar explanation for Cooler appearing in GT? That's the other "evidence" these buffoons often cleave to.

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The Prince has never been defeated, because he has never accepted defeated.

As long as you have the mentality of a winner, you will never lose.

>>282198155
No, and that other post was me just pulling shit out of my ass. I'm actually a dumb fuck.

>>282197835
GT? more like gay timeline

>>282198155
That's simple. Cooler is canon.

>>282198303
>Cooler is [LIE]
Done.

>The Prince has never been defeated, because he has never accepted defeated.
>Constantly has Goku live rent free in his mind
Goku won

>>282198155
Just makes a cameo in the background. He doesnt talk or do anything. Could just be a nameless dude who looks like Cooler.

>>282198348
Kek, this is perfect satire of the kind of stupid cope shit GTards say.

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>>282190480
>>282187107
>>282187670
Give us Gohan Black

>>282196230
I want DB Multiverse & Kame anime

>>282198377
Sparking Zero

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I’ve never understood the love for Gohan.

>>282198377
SHITking Zero

>>282198316
Not everything canon is in the manga only, I mean look at GT itself. You know what I think Cooler really is canon.

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>>282198395
I want you to get punched in the cock.

>>282198426
>Not everything canon is in the manga only
It quite literally is, which is why GT, Super, and Daima aren't canon. Neither are any of the movies.

>>282198452
Super Manga is also not canon

>>282198480
Yes, that's what "Super isn't canon" means, you fucking shit for brains bovine.

I’ve never understood the love for Goku
I’ve never understood the love for Bejita
I’ve never understood the love for Krillin
I’ve never understood the love for Piccolo
I’ve never understood the love for Tien
I’ve never understood the love for Nuly
I’ve never understood the love for Zarbon
I’ve never understood the love for Raditz
I’ve never understood the love for Nappa
I’ve never understood the love for Chichi

>>282198480
Don't be silly.

>>282198507
Nobody loves any of those shit characters except MAINCHARACTERHEROCHADku.

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>>282198427
>multiple tanked
Still produce royal heir.

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>>282198155
>>282198303
>>282198316
>>282198348
JOBler's nuts are 0-1 against Voredroid and Bobby Hill

>>282198452
My headcanon that U18 Goku (Multiverse) and Daima Goku are same variants.

>>282198577
Might be onto something since both of those series suck throbbing dong

>>282198452
First off, Cooler was personally designed by Toriyama, I think that's a good argument for him being canon. Second, anime and movies can have a strong effect on the author. You can't say for sure that Toriyama didn't decide to retroactively make Cooler canon. If there was some way to edit the manga, he would have included more Cooler references.

>>282198609
>I think that's a good argument for him being canon
It isn't, unless you think Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, and Sand Land are canon.
>You can't say for sure that Toriyama didn't decide to retroactively make Cooler canon
Burden of proof is on you if you're making such a retarded claim.
>f there was some way to edit the manga, he would have included more Cooler references.
Based on your wishful thinking.

>>282198609
>If there was some way to edit the manga, he would have included more Cooler references.
He literally added the Vegeta scene where he says he'll surpass Goku to the last panel of the manga after it ended, you stupid shithead.

>>282198609
You know what canon? Epic battle between fssj Gine, Pikkon, Olibu vs Lord Slug, Turles, and Cooler

>>282198496
I thought we were just talking the anime

>>282198661
That was at the end of the manga, I mean like somewhere in the middle of the manga.

>>282198609
Toriyama designed Super and Daima characters. Still not canon

>>282198727
>uh it doesn't count because it was at the end
You were implying it isn't possible to change and add things to the manga, which is proven wrong by Toriyama changing and adding something to the manga. Guess what he didn't care about adding? Your shitty non-canon movie villain.
Cope.
>b-but
Cope.
>S-SEETHING
Cope.
>C-CONCESSION
Cope.

The only canon material is the Dragon Ball manga, the original Dragon Ball anime and Dragon Ball Kai

>>282198734
Daima actually proves GT is canon, because Toriyama loved it so much he just had to go back and make another GT.

>>282198791
Filler + Garlic Junior, Metal Cooler and Bojack gang too

>>282198526
She's neither a warrior nor a genius

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>>282198824

What mind broke Toriyama and Toei into constantly trying to make Goku a kid again

Attempt 1: Goten. Cursed to only be used for fusions and barely relevant

Attempt 2: GT. Boring to the point the new form made Goku an adult again. Show canceled after 63 episodes.

Attempt 3: Daima. Basically GT again, but somehow flops even harder

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Dragon Ball JT.

>>282198907
GT wasn't cancelled, the story came to a complete ending
I know for a Superfag that sounds incompressible

>>282199068
>incompressible
Fucking retard

>>282198907
GT wasn't cancelled, unlike Shitper the story has an actual ending.

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Gohan could have defeated Buu through continued training to maintain his power level or mastering the Ultimate form for a more stable and potent state than Super Saiyan forms. Additionally, with better tactical awareness he could have prolonged the fight against Buutenks, which would have allowed for the eventual dissolution of the fusion, or he could have mastered the technique of the Spirit Bomb.

>>282199080
Sounds like you need to implement stronger variantal of your language and intelligence

>>282199264
One word: Gokhan

>>282199281
Are you fucking stupid? "Incompressible" isn't a word. Neither is "variantal", for that matter, you retarded ESL.

>>282199469
>Superbitch is still confined by the limits of language and is too scared to step into uncharted territory linguistically
See?

>>282199068
>>282199208
GT fags seething

Why are these threads so slow now? This used to be so full of energy

>>282199577
all the schizos got banned so now we can actually talk about dragon ball

>>282199583
An yet here you are, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 doing that

>>282199469
>Superfag is too stupid to know English
See?

>>282199577
This is necessary. We got lazy. We didn’t create memes out of funny theories or scenarios based around the show or conflicts within the show, but posters. It makes things more insular and discordy and way less creative and fun. We need a boring period so people can learn how to be funny and on topic again without relying on drama.

>>282199508
>>282199753
Why did you reply twice

>>282199760
Why did you send half a reply?

>>282198415
>Defeats Raditz
>Humiliates Nappa
>Fights Vegeta evenly
>Defeats Guldo
>Constantly mogs Frieza
>Defeats Cell
>Defeats Super Buu
>Defeats Gamma 2
>Defeats Cell Max

Gohan is the greatest fighter

>>282199896
Your forgot
>Defeats Kefla

>>282199860
>didn't deny it

>>282198807
its wild how much both super and daima ape GT

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>>282199896
Fact attack.

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LORD FUCKING SLUG!!!!

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>>282199896
>The greatest rug pull anime has ever seen

Gohan is the STRONGEST and most EVIL VILLAIN. END of STORY.

>>282198676
Send proof

>>282199068
Factually wrong. There are several scrapped episodes and events we know to exist from interviews that were cancelled due to there not being enough time. We also know GT was the lowest rated dragon ball series of all time. Use your brain.

>>282200416
>no prof
Concesion accpeted.

>>282200416
>Source: I made it up
Every time

>>282200466
>>282200542
>SPOONFEED ME!
Ok, I will since you are GToddlers
>What were some concepts and such that unfortunately got shelved?
I was given quite a bit of freedom working on GT, so aside from whether they were animated or not, the ideas were limitless. For each character, plenty of subplots existed that never made it to the screen.
For instance, in Gohan’s case, there was apparently so much as an “Ultimate Gohan” concept in Dragon Ball Z, where he was a super-warrior with might surpassing Goku, but in GT, he’s a scholar who’s given up fighting almost entirely. But for someone who had given up fighting like that to return to the front lines, I thought that naturally there needed to be quite a bit of drama involved.

Around the Super 17 arc in the animation, he came back as a super-warrior all of a sudden, but actually, I personally wanted to put in a heroic episode telling the reason he started fighting again. For instance, people he loved, like Videl, had been hurt, and when in the depths of anguish, he happened to open up his wardrobe, inside was his dōgi from fondly-remembered times. Together with the line, “To think there’d come a day I’d wear this again…”, he brushes off Chi-Chi, who in tears is trying to stop him, and makes a shocking, lightning entrance on the battlefield. Considering the status of the character, I wanted to spend one or two episodes showing that level of resolve, and I recall having even written the plot for it. But it’s a subplot that diverges from the main story, I guess you could say, so due to various circumstances, it never came to fruition, and it ended up stopping at the level of, he takes off his glasses, and takes on the eyes of a warrior. (laughs)
Part 1
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>>282200416
>[Abhorrent Bullshit]
I hate "people" like you.

Does anyone remember that one Gohanfag who thought he was going to show up and defeat Goku Black?