You can find quite a few indie games or even audio dramas with decent voice acting. The same can't be said about anime dubs.
Because only am*ricans watch them.
Indie games and audio dramas don't have to sync shit up to an animation (or have more freedom to change shit for games) which adds another layer of complexity.It's all done on the cheap for the least fussy group of anime watchers.A small group of VAs have total death grip on roles and casting, no competition, no reason to improve or work harder.
>>282214331They have no actual vocal skills, there’s no industry for them to learn from any real pros like in Japan where there is a strong industry and schooling/training for it. The only time I’ve heard pretty decent/good voice acting from Americans are from actual actors who do actual films for Hollywood but these are usually going to be relegated to Miyazaki animated films or American animated films from Disney and Dreamworks etc.
>>282214331because spoken *nglish is ugly unless your name is David Attenborough
>>282214601I get that the Japanese voice acting industry is much bigger but maybe it’s my ESL, because I never thought American cartoons were badly dubbed. Cartoons like Justice League Unlimited, Batman The Animated Series etc.
>>282214331because western VA secretly hates what they're voicing
>>282214768It's not like good english voice acting doesn't exist. But it doesn't exist in anime localization\dubbing
>>282214331I they're pretty good most of the time and occasionally great. I think the only unbearable dub I've watched so far has been Girls und Panzer.
>>282214868>secretly
I think the only anime dubs that are half decent are the studio ghibli ones, most anime gets American "cute" accents and it sounds awful.Take:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuHSIvtZQcsEven though it's literally the same voice actor from the Japanse version, voicing the same character the English version sounds awful.
>>282214331Because they don't give a fuck. They're all just aping "the anime voice" instead of doing whatever they can. Which does not amount to much. And they all sound fucking bored. All the fucking time. Why are they so bored? And then you have the women. A dub with a mostly male cast is maybe tolerable but the more women you have the worse the dubs get because female VAs never fucking bother sounding like a younger character, they just do their 40 year old chain smoker hag voice and think that's fine. Fucking WHY.
>>282215067Blum, lowenthal etc just use their normal speaking voice and rad off a paper and it’s easy to tell. They get roles because they’re open to it and probably cheap. Even control got lazy as fuck in his later years. Jamil is probably the one American voice actor that tried to act out characters, but he was cheap C list movie guy so who knows
>>282214768Andrea Romano did most the great voice casting & directing and most of the actors were stage actors at the time
>>282215166*conroy*hamill
>>282215032I think it's a great example of how being rigidly faithful to the original performance doesn't equate to the best outcome. Sally Amaki is literally the same person doing essentially the same performance in each language, but it sounds grating in English. In my view, there's two possible explanations for this. One, not understanding the language provides a layer of abstraction that diffuses the natural cringe. Two, different languages have different natural affectations and trying to mimic another language's affectations can sound unnatural.Here's another example of Sally.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx-evFvRP2IListen how she switches from kawaii Japanese voice to an almost entirely different (still very cute) English voice without missing a beat. Is she doing some absurd affectation when speaking Japanese and we're just used to it because that's what Japanese sounds like? Or does the voice just naturally mold itself to the language?
how much longer until ai is able to translate speech from one language to another while maintaining the same voice sound?
>>282215166Blum, Lowenthal, Bosch, etc. can all deliver good performances when pushed properly. I suspect the main problem is a lack of good voice directors, possibly because all the good voice directors work for the video game industry instead.
The insanely good eng voice actors i could remember are from Fromsoft game Ranni, the doll etc voices are pure segg I heard it is the issue of agency as games with anime artstyle or anime dubs usually hire this one agency that only has those mid as fuck VAs, while Fromsoft hired one with stage play backgroundI dont fucking know why the others couldnt do it, rather than laziness and nepotism, Fromsoft budget is mot that big eitherHell, even big EN vtubers usually have better voices than most of these dubbers
>>282215545I can do that already https://youtu.be/pXnU2JbJjl4?si=pwyguDBELYzLIILvBUT, giving it the script for it to read (text to speech) is not enough, as the AI doesn't understand context, so it still needs human to oversee the whole progress
>>282215600The only good EN VAs anymore are people who get classical theater trained, and I don't mean theater kids, I mean the real deals who take the art of acting seriously not as a method to prance about like a gay man.
>>282215716I mean using the recorded speech as the input and getting the same speech in a different language as the output like a star trek translator
>>282214768Cartoon VAs are unironically like 2-3 pegs higher than anime dub VAs
I've noticed that dub VAs seem to have terrible microphones or the sound mixing on them is fucking terrible.
>>282214331The only ones doing VA jobs are people who failed at Hollywood.
>>282215545They can already do that. I feel like a lot of the examples of Japanese to English I've heard sound disturbingly like dubs, which just makes me wonder if a lot of dubs are actually shockingly faithful and that's ironically a bad thing. Maybe the truth is that dubs should be taking more liberties with delivery to make up for the differences in the languages.
>>282215884It will give some context but translations are not 1 to 1 in intonation or length so you'll still need to tweak it.Ultimately it won't be a labour of love that we expect, companies will just output whatever they can as fast as they can because the normalfags that pay them don't care.
>>282215067>Apothecary Diaries
>>282215716Wait, Uma Musumes die? So people who have her in the gacha lost her?
>>282214601It's only dubs that have this problem, Western made stuff has good voice acting.
>>282214768Those aren't considered as "dubs". When people say dub they almost never mean the original voice acting. BAS has phenomenal voice acting, for example.
>>282216256Yeah they're removed from their account.
>>282214618You have such a terrible taste. But that's expected of an eslnigger. He's not the only posh cunt in this country there are many people who can do that accent much better.
Because the voice director is usually incompetent. Actors can only do so much their job is to follow the director's directions.
>>282214331Why do you care? English is clearly not your native language so it's weird you'd ask this. Is this just your way to have a thread to insult the language and reply to yourself?
>>282216642How did you know the posts in this thread were all me?
>>282216723Can you answer the question?
Pokémon, b gata h kei, YYH, and Naruto had great dubs
>>282214331English subs are often not much better, and god help you if someone speaks german.
>>282216812Believe it!
>>282216869what happens if someone speaks german? cultural enrichment?
>>282214331In Japan anime is voiced in one take with everyone in the same booth while in America it's one small booth with only one person at the time.With good acting and proper guidance you can still get out a good performance even while talking to a wall, but it will never be like proper interaction between to actors.
>>282216947No, characters, Japanese for some reason love Germans so they have characters speaking german, but it's beyond atrocious, like... use some internet translator + machine voice it would sound much much better and the words could end up actually having a meaning.
>>282217101German characters are much less common than french and english ones, hans>but it's beyond atrociousYeah that's how their english and french sound as well. It's funny how it's only germans (americans more like) that whine about this.
>>282217101What does that have to do with sub quality?
>>282217190Nothing, just for some reason he's surprised that a product intended for a japanese audience doesn't care to get his ugly and increasingly irrelevant language right
>>282215920Yes. With locally produced cartoons, the voice acting budget is part of the production costs, so they can hire whoever the production is willing to pay for. With anime dubs, the voice acting budget is part of the localization budget, which is usually pretty small because these are local releases of foreign media aimed at a niche audience, and it also has to pay for translation and dub script writing on top of that. In addition, the dub is mostly there for that additional batch of autists that are completely unwilling to pay for your show unless there's a dub. So at the end of the day, they're barely able to pay their voice actors, which means only the kind of awful nobodies that literally can't get ANY other kind of acting job are willing to take the gigs. But i's not like it really matters, because dubfags are so accustomed to dogshit it just registers as "how anime sounds" to them.
>>282214331Script and animation is made with Japanese language in mind. Directors and animators are making it to look good with exact type of sound. When you dub, you change that sound to something else. That's why every dubbing feels odd, no matter how good it would be.On the other hand cześć English dub sucks because American voice actors are just bad at it.
>>282217581that makes sense but I've heard fan dubs and voice acting for indie games that sound way less terrible than your average "professionally" dubbed anime or game. there has to be something wrong at the institutional level.
>>282218584The post you are replying to goes into the institutional bit already. Low budget + target audience of dubfags is what is going wrong at institutional level, with low effort being the norm and no reason to do better. I'm just taking your word on fandubs/indie games being better as I don't really watch them but it does make sense. Fandubs and dubbing for indie games are much closer to being passion projects or at least have people more motivated to do good job. Fandubs for obvious reason. I guess dubbing for indie game whoever is doing it would be much much closer to team making game. And they're probably just some random who wants to do a good job and not someone in usual Funi/CR/whoever group who've dubbed tens/hundreds of anime with minimal effort put in already with no issue.
>>282214331Because if you're a talented voice actor you aren't working on anime dubs lol. It doesn't pay well and it isn't respected.
>>282216812Old anime have good dubs because they were targeting a market unused to or hostile to Japanese animation, on a widely used platform full of native animation, so they had to be as good as native dubbing. These days dubs are on particular streaming platforms that require actively seeking out, and only people familiar with anime but too lazy to learn Japanese or read subs do so, and that market will tolerate anything as long as they're catered to.
>>282219412This is unreal cope and I don't know where it comes from. Pokemon and fucking naruto do not have good dubs. They are fucking awful.
>>282219357but indie shit and fan dubs are even lower budget and some of them manage to sound less terrible. the anime dubbing industry makes bad dubs on purpose. that's the only explanation.
actually dubs are good and video games should never have voices
>>282219626I was agreeing with that point basically. After certain point money barely comes into it, effort is more important. Small budget + no effort probably loses every time to no budget plus effort. Only other thing really is low budget correlates to no effort in professional dubbing
They haven't figured out that bong VAs are best in class and half the price like Holywood / American gaming studios haveJap game studios / developers did discover this a few years ago and have slowly started making the switch though. Maybe this will herald a much needed change
>>282219862>best in class >still leagues far beneath what the bare minimum Jap actor can do It's just not even worth their time or effort to invest in
Because VAs voice for other more famous VAs approval and not for the actual performance
>>282219962They have to.Western VA has become a highschool popularity problem where work is dictated by what cliques you can get in
>>282219442Shut up zoomer. Complaints about the Pokemon dub have always been about the script (which is also fine for what it is but irrelevant) not the quality of the voicework
>>282214331>>282214768You get what you pay for.Unfortunately everything is overpriced in the US, so in order to hire a good VA you have to pay a lot of money for it.It's cheaper to gaslight the anime fandom into liking your bad dubs. It makes everyone happy. The fans, the companies, and the actors.
