What explains the decline in animation quality from the 90s? it's stunning.
I might be wrong but I remember Dragon Ball Z to be a hell of a slideshow.
Nobody stays an animator long enough to get good at it anymore. The pay is ass and there's no reason to raise it because the tools have gotten so easy to use that literally anyone can put out shit that's just good enough.
>>282228998What explains the decling IQ of dragon ball fans from the 90s? It's stunning.
>>282229046Most 90s anime series were slideshows, when people speak fondly of old animation they’re referring to OVAs and movies with stronger budgets
>>282229046it is a total fucking slideshow. you could reverse op's webm and cherrypick scenes all day to make db super look like the second coming of christ in comparison.
>>282228998Still can't believe they stopped with the blonde super saiyans and instead jumped on the bandwagon and went with blue, pink, and all this bright neon garbage
>>282229255People remember the fights like Goku vs Kid Buu which are smoothly animated and better than anything in super but outside of a handful of fights, the animation is just passable. It was nothing special, of course airing episodes every week meant it had to take shortcuts
The current Yaiba remake opened my eyes with how many shortcuts animators could get away with back then.
>>282228998I don't think this is a question about anime in general so much as Dragon Ball Super specifically looked utterly rancid for most of it's runtime, I'm still gobsmacked it was as successful as it was
>>282228998I think Toei simply streamlined their shitty output aided by digital art. Old DB didn't really have much better animation, but the art quality was better if you ask me. Modern Toei has more QUALITY moments, even if the thing is sorta the focus. So it's more a directorial failure.Also older anime looks more grainy which adds some texture. Right is way too clean which is even worse when characters are wounded.
People actually thought Toei was collapsing and going bankrupt because Super looked like shit and Dressrosa was a slideshow
>>282228998each cell used to be hand painted, each cell was a work of art and they had to work around the limitation of the budget to only animate what they needed to get the shot.now they animate everything, its colored in computer and looks like plastic.
>>282229488what's crazy is you know they looked at the old scene to do a homage but it still looks like shit
>>282229488>>282229790Old>Arm grows in just 2-3 frames making it hard to see that it just moving out of the other half of the arm>Camera movement makes it even harder to see>Diagonal angle from below further hides itNew>Arm takes twice as long to regrow>Still camera on blue background easily makes the trick visible to the viewer>Has less details in the arm on top of thatBut since it's DB, people will gobble it up anyway, so Toei can continue to put out shit with no consequences. Case in point for my previous post >>282229497
Old high budget ovas > new tv > old tvExcept dragon ball, which is old ovas >old tv > new tv
>>2822289982015 2018 was just shit years for toeiall theirs anime looked like crap including one piecebut they got better in 2025 with one piece animation and daima too so if dbs was to come back hypothetically it would look better
>>282229390That's just a Toei problem, then.Super's art style generally looked ugly. OP's being a faggot, as usual.
>>282229255>you could reverse op's webm and cherrypick scenes all day to make db super look like the second coming of christ in comparison.don't be delusional noweven the worst scenes from dbz look tons of times better than mid scenes from super
original DBZ had a load of animation issues, are you kidding me?Even in the iconic Trunks vs Frieza fight, you can see a drastic change in animation quality.>end of one episode with Frieza being sliced looks great>beginning of next episode, trunks looks like dogshit with really long fingers, practically white hair and an ugly ass faceWhat's funnier is that it's even more noticeable in Dragon Ball Kai, where the art style changes mid episode because that footage is what they had to work with.
>>282230384Don't even try this, you dumb faggot. See >>282230414and hell, since Frieza's brought up>that moment where Goku ends the fight with Frieza on Namek>body is clearly bruised and scratched all over in one shot>in the next, where he turns and flies away thinking he killed Frieza, the scratches and bruises are all goneI'm pretty sure Cell vs Goku also had some really butt ugly shots, too. Either way, this overly nostalgic shit is a retarded mentality to have.
It's funny to me how DBZ and DBS have the opposite thing going on: the majority of DBZ's janky moments are the result of Ebisawa and Uchiyama, guys who are so infamous that even more casual fans generally know who they are, which also means that the flaws of DBZ's consistency is closer to being the exception than the rule; comparatively, DBS's art direction under Yamamuro is so stiff and plasticky looking (on top of huge crunch, IIRC they started working on the episodes even before having an official logo made, someone please fact-check me here) that when Takahashi just threw all that shit out he got showered with praise for ot
>>282228998Yamamuro's art being pure shit and his animation becoming super stiff after Z.Also Toei didn't really care about DB's quality at the time. They knew that DB fans would watch anything DB-related regardless of quality.
>>282230414>>282230451>oh but it had some bad frames!Nobody gives a shit. It was nowhere near as bad as SLURPer. And of course, SHITper was nowhere near as good with its peaks.
>>282229137>>282229255>>282229390>>282230451>>282230414Cope, you pathetic retards.
>>282228998I can't get over how weird and lifeless the color direction gets between installments, when characters go Super Saiyan (especially SS3) their skin and clothes don't even react to the brighter conditions anymore
>>282229261Toriyama lacks imagination and simply didn't care when he introduced Super Saiyan God. To be quiet honest DBZ doesn't need new forms. What they needed was a variety of techniques to make fights interesting.
quantity over quality, it's an issue of capitalism. more episodes of slop sells better, so no reason to spend a lot of time on it. dumbasses buy merch for garbage crapime and you see what happens.blame everyone who thinks shit like chainsaw man is a good show
>>282231830Capitalism is all about quality over quantity though, since there's competition and you gotta be better than the rest.That's why Toei had to kick Yamamuro out and replaced him with competent animators.Quantity over quality is communism since people don't have a choice so any slop will do.
>>282232032Ask yourself in earnest: Has the quality of mainstream entertainment in the last 10 years gone up, or has it gone down?The same reason that capeshit got worse and worse is the same reason that anime got worse and worse, and it's the same reason that video games get worse and worse, it is not an illusion: It is a genuine thing It has nothing to do with generationalism either.Until people stop buying, watching, and posting about garbage, they will continue to pump out garbage.For me the last show I really enjoyed in earnest was maid dragon, honestly.
