What is the best written Dragon Ball arc in your opinion?
>>282290597GT
The Garlic Jr Saga.
>>282290597Saiyan saga or any of the tournament arcs, the BT ones are very straightforward.
>>282290646Thats a nice joke almost as nice of a joke as your birth. Anyways 23nd budokai or saiyan saga
>>282290597Namek
>>282290597Despite the flaws I like the Android/Cell sagas the most
>>282290597All of the budokai tournament arcs from DB are amazing.
>>282290597when small goku fights Tien in the first tournament. Yamcha and Krillin aren't total jokes yet and they're not fighting demons or any bullshit about aliens. Krillin dying right after and first Picolo arc are also peak of the series imo
Not even a contest. This is the peak of all DB, and it's not even just because the SSJ fight with Frieza.It was well thought out, had plenty of character interactions, some which the best paneling in the series and its the best example to use to filter retards and fake fans whose arguments are "DB is only good for the fights".The dragon ball hunting part during this entire arc and the strategy and mind games every character used to secure them is probably the most underrated and under appreciated part of Toriyama's storytelling. It was Togashi HxH over analyzed exposition before Togashi.
>>282292286objectively not well written. no genius paneling can save a story that is not making any sense. Frieza had the power to kill all of them the entire time but he waits because, you know, pride or some shit? a bad excuse
>>282290597I don't watch dragon ball for the writing.
>>282290597Namek is the best but it has a couple of flaws, Cell is flawless.
>>282292471editors fault constantly telling him current Frieza form is not scary enough
>>282292286Brought down by how fucking dull Namek was as a setting.
>>282292471>Frieza had the power to kill all of them the entire time but he waits because, you know, pride or some shit? a bad excuseHe deliberately wanted to torture them. >Freeza: I promised you, didn't I? That I would show you a terror greater than hell itself?He only started to take them seriously after the Spirit Bomb
Sayian arc. Marked a permanent change in stakes and everyone you knew from the original Dragon Ball was getting killed left and right made it feel really dark and hopeless. Also feels like a nice bridge between OG Dragon Ball and Z, there's still a sense of magic and charm to the world before it became solely about Super Sayians and villains threatening to destroy the universe.
>>282290597Impossible to determine, each is its own masterpiece in a different way. But I will say Buu is the weakest.
>>282292808Also the first Goku vs Vegeta fight is the best in the series.
>>282292842You mean Goku vs Piccolo Jr or Goku vs Freeza right?
>>282292827>Impossible to determine, each is its own masterpiece in a different way.What does each arc do right?
Namek. Was so perfect. Freeza, the Ginyu Force, Bejita going rogue. Goku coming and beating the shit out of anyone. Expanded the lore a bunch. Absolute kino
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>>282292929Truth eclipse
>>282292471>you know, pride or some shit? a bad excuseit's not a bad excuse in a world where so many values strength and lusts for battle. Frieza sadism is actually expected.
>>282292866Goku vs Vegeta's the best. Almost everyone is dead and even with all of Goku's training Vegeta is still an insurmountable obstacle that he only barely loses because every surviving fighter teamed up on him
>>282292286>>282292929Namek would've been perfect if not for all the zenkai boosting being so overtly gamed towards the end. I guess he thought the story was over so he didn't have to keep these things in the bag.
>>282292929TRVTH NVKE
>>282290597Namek saga easily. Having Vegeta as a rogue loose canon added another dimension of complexity to the story which was rare at the time. And the entire theme of the arc culminating in frieza's demise was poetic. He was ultimately brought down by a saiyan who was deemed to weak to be a threat at birth.
>>282290597Gotta be NamekThe 3 way war between Gohan/Krillin, Vegeta, and Frieza's faction is simply incredible
>>282292993>>282293017Were the Ginyu Force fights kino?
Dragon Ball's peak is everything from Demon King Piccolo to the end of Namek, but it's absolute best in my opinion is the Saiyan arc. It's just so damn good, Goku vs Vegeta is the best fight in the series, but everything leading up to it is also fantastic. Dragon Ball villains were never as threatening after Nappa and Vegeta.
>>282293023What about the 3 way war between Dragon Team, Androids, and Cell?
>>282292743 thisworks better as an explanation than this:>>282292973Frieza never valued strength or had a lust for battle. he was born in a more powerful race, the same as how Vegeta viewed himself as superior not because he liked to fight but he believed he was born that way
>>282292997Zenkai boosts turning into Vegeta trying to beat the shit our of himself in order to cheat his biology at the end was funny as fuck
>>282292471Oh you mean the guy who said he will slowly torture them to death?Namek is also an IQ filter I see.
>>282293417so what was the torture? Pilaf was doing more torture to his talking dog than he ever did to anyone
>>282290597You really don't watch this series for the plot. So if I had to give it to anything it would be the Android saga simply because History of Trunks is the best DBZ movie that genuinely made me care for Trunks, also time travel was cool.
>>282290597None because all of Dragon Ball is shit.
>>282292676Maybe if he just made Freiza scary enough the first time
>>282292471>[INSERT VILLAIN HERE] had the power to kill all of them the entire time but he waits because, you know, pride or some shit?Welcome to Dragon Ball.
>>282293462>Gohan getting the shit beaten out of him.>Krill getting impaled.>Piccolo getting shot with Ki BB Gun in all parts of his body.>Vegeta getting used as boxing bag.And all the above didn't do further because Goku came.
>>282293624if beating someone is torture then Goku tortured thousands people as well
>>282293654Goku wouldn't hit someone who can't fight back and he wouldn't keep doing it to kill his opponent slowly.
>>282292676The gradual build up to his final form is the best part, you expect him to become progressively more monstrous instead of becoming sleek & feminine.
>>282293712he psychologically tortures Gohan multiple times just to unlock his secret superpower
>>282290597None, they're all bad. DB has cool concepts but bad execution.
>>282290597Unironically pilaf saga
>>282290597Either Red Ribbon or Piccolo Daimao.
>>282293804Just say you have low IQ already.
>>282290597Either when Tien and Roshi are going to fight King Piccolo or Namek before Goku shows up
>>282290597There's something I like about how the Android saga seamlessly flowed into Cell saga
>>282294066>Either when Tien and Roshi are going to fight King PiccoloMan I miss old Dragon Ball when characters like Tien and Roshi were relevant.
>>282290597The z fighters whittling down Vegeta at the end of the saiyan saga was peak. Never again can randos jump in and make meaningful contributions damaging the enemy.
>>282293058Not nearly as interesting because the Androids spend a lot of the time meandering around with zero agency and Cell just murders people to get strongerFrieza's group also spends a bunch of time killing civilians but it's treated as an actual narrative event instead of a power-up for the bad guy- the Namekians destroy the scouters, Gohan reveals himself inadvertently, etc. In comparison the Cell arc just doesn't have a lot of meat on its bones and there's not really any sort of dynamism between the three factions
The more the entire roster was involved the better the show was, by the time you get to the Buu saga only Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are viable fighters and it really makes the story suffer. By the time the Android arc began you have Piccolo hanging on by the skin of his teeth as a viable character, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha and Bulma are long gone as narratively important characters.
This probably wasn't intentional because Toriyama is Toriyama. But I love the dramatic irony of how violence is treated in the World Tournament part vs the actual life-and-death part of the Buu Saga. In the tournament violence is a spectacle everyone loves, it's not serious or real at all, to the point that even a kid like Goten participates and doesn't lose his innocence. And since there's no stakes the audience sees it this way too. But then shit hits the fan massively and everyone remembers the true nature of violence. Goten goes from that joke fight with Trunk to in the next fight watching his mom die, being tortured by Buu and then being actually fucking murdered. And I find it very thoughtful. Knowing that violence can be cool and fun to watch but there's a different, very real side to it.
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First half of Buu Sage with Majin Vegeta and his sacrifice Then they fuck it all up with Goku revealing he can go SSJ3, Gohan losing to Super Buu or at least not the one to finish off Kid Buu
>>282290597The 23rd Tenakichi Budokai is the best arc in Shounen.
>>282292471Between Gohan's autismo 100x power ups and Piccolo/Nail fusion, they weren't as defenseless as it looked until Goku started to fight Frieza. Also, Frieza is a sadist that never even had to transform to win a battle, his ego was hurt and he wanted to make them pay for it. It's genuinely one of few times this trope was well executed.The only genuine gripe I have about the writing is the fucking power levels as a measurable number, that should have never been introduced, it just makes the story worse.
It's crazy how within one arc Goku was foreshadowed to be a Super Saiyan chosen one with no previous reference and everyone lapped it up and thought it was hype but when Oda reveals Gear 5 Nika everyone calls it bad writing
>>282290597As a kid I actually enjoyed the Buu saga the mostAlso though Cooler was way 'cooler' than Frieza
>Goku is able to fire healing ki from his hands>He never does this again outside of a filler movie>This ki is able to make it so a body that's been sliced in half and has its organs hanging out is able to survive
>>282290597None, dragon ball was the best at the start before the long form arcs starting from Piccolo arc onwards. If I had to choose I'd go with the Tien arc if it can even be called that.
Probably the Namek Saga, because it's all about Gohan, Vegeta, and Krillin being stealthy because Frieza and his boys would mollywhop their shit. It portrays the desperation of a world without Goku, Piccolo, and the others to come and save the day.
Buu
>>282292177I especially prefer the 23rd one(piccolo jr tournament), every single fight matters and it all builds up very well, plus actual stakes
>>282298286Buu was great until the Fusion Saga, then it got better when we got to Kid Buu.
>>282290597Great Saiyaman
>>282298501>Fusion Saga,>Dogshit opinion Yup. Definitely a FAILconer retard.
>>282290597Saiyan Saga was incredibly good, we didn't know Toriyama was about to remove all the stakes with the namekian dragon balls so Nappa fight felt like it was going to provoke very nasty consequences. Luckily I did not know anything about the stories when I read it and I got impressed with how hopeless and bleak it looked. I really thought all of them were going to die. So I'd say Saiyan Saga, followed by Cell Games (also a high stakes moment, Android 16 dies, and being a robot, never comes back but serves as a great development point for Gohan).
>>282298501I actually liked base Super Buu a lot, his idiot savant attitude was enjoyable for me. He was totally retarded and lacking any ethics but surprisingly clever in combat. I like the contrast, easily one of the most unique villains (and very menacing, only Gohan and fusions had a chance to beat him) compared to all the previous ones.
>>282290646The Dark Dragons in to the Omega Shenron arc is the only good DB arc
>>282292286The actual Frieza fight sucks, probably because Toriyama knew he had to keep spinning out new chapters as soon as it ended. I remember dropping the show as a little kid because it got so ridiculously tedious.
>>282292286I like the Frieza/Namek arc but honestly when you take a step back and look at it, it really bends over backwards to do a few things which retroactively makes the last arc and even the Piccolo Jnr Arc looks retarded>Has to find a number of ways to write Goku out of the story>Has to find a number of ways to write Vegeta IN TO the story>Nonsensical Piccolo sub arc that's just there to power him up >Has to write ways to power up Gohan and Krillin>They fucked up by making Frieza too powerfulI think it's a good escalation but don't get me wrong it absolutely shits on the Sayain arcs year long training plan if all of a sudden the guys are all 20-30 times stronger than they were at the end of the Sayain arc. And all this happens in the space of like 3 weeks too
