>In Bocchi the Rock, Hitori takes an ice bath naked in the manga, but Yoshida put her in a swimsuit. Such depictions are “noise.”>Even works that could dominate the market lose viewers because of such noise.>What matters is whether you can show it to your own children.>Even if 99% of people are fine, if 1% of extremists do something, she fears anime culture could collapse.>Unlike novels or plays, anime is easy to access, so creators must be more careful about expression, and that mindset should spread through the industry.
>>282298413go to japan and do something about it instead of whining anonymously you impotent cuck
>>282298442Not your personal army
>>282298413>>282275679>one thread of rage bait wasn't enough
>>282298413You've already got a thread, schizo >>282275679
>>282298413>female director>adaptation is lewder than the source materialWatanareGODS, I kneel....
>>282298564>>282298572it's already at bump limit and will die in 10 minutes
>>282298572we need 10 more threads about this situation
She did her part in killing csm. She can do whatever she wants.
Who the fuck takes a bath while still wearing a swimsuit?
>>282298413I wonder if this will impact how S2 of Bocchi is received. How many angry nips on Twitter are actually already fans of the anime and how many would boycott the show over one person on the team being too woke? As radical as her ideology is I would've preferred the "censoring" that was done to Bocchi (no nude tub scene and nerfed boob size) than the show playing up the fanservice when it's mostly pinups for chapter title pages and an occasional "Bocchi's got tits" gag.
>>282298413you already made a thread>>282275679stop spamming the board
I hate gooners so much
>>282298851You hate the Bocchi mangaka?
>>282298959I don't care about her. The manga sucked, the anime made it better.
>>282299000The manga is literally the same, but more lesbian.
>>282298564>>282298572Ok but you first you need to prove him wrong.
>>282298632it's easier when you're adapting a haremshit LN
>>282298632This writer would seriously have you believe that Bocchi's scene was somehow as shameless as this.
>>282299000tourist
>>282299027>immediately thinking we're pro censorshipPantyschizo, is that you? Did you not take your meds for today?
>>282298649>will die in 10 minutes1 hour ago, it's still not archived.
>>282298413Has /a/ cooled down enough to have a reasonable discussion?
>>282298632there are clearly still plenty of studios and directors who are willing to do it the good old way and "take the risk" so to speak. it's just the ones that are marketing it outside of japan primarily that are susceptible to this censorship nonsense.
>>282298413You ate that slop up as if it was the best anime ever made claiming it's going to be a classic. She must've done a good job filtering the noise. Bet you're gonna pretend you never liked it now.
>>282299378Ishiba shigeru banned bikinis from anime. And only 20% of animes are aired in China per season to blame China. Don't worry. Next PM will decensor anime though. As Aso is mad about Ishiba censoring anime and kicked this feminist scum away.
>>282299338People will always be too stupid to understand how fanservice is used in anime to begin with.
>>282299401Removing or keeping them would've changed nothing about the experience, the only issue is that her reasoning is shit and she called Hamaji a pedo.
>>282299419Yeah. No anime was censored when Abe was PM, when he was PM, there was no feminists in Japan, while entire female population in Japan are feminists now and only sane Japanese females who aren't feminists are Vtubers and VN.Even Korea censors less than Japan now.
>>282299045I've been watching anime since Love Hina came out in 2000 faggot. I always liked ecchi. Stop getting your news from Twitter, zoomer.
>>282299434Any anime which was censored during Abe's cabinet? Glorious leader Abe Shinzo didn't censor anime.
>>282299428>removing or keeping them would've changed nothing about the experienceIt would've changed both the pacing and the tone. But again, you're now going to pretend that the original would've been better and she actually RUINED the anime despite you spamming yurishit ever since it aired and never reading manga in your life.
So basically all the outrage just shows that none of you had any issue with the changes that were made until you found out about them third hand years later.Pretty much the same thing as children who refuse to eat a dish they always liked cause they found out it had vegetables after the fact.I'm not pro censorship at all but you fags were clearly not smart enough to recognize the issues when you were eating that shit up as it was airing.inb4 >food analogy
>>282299457I am not your schizo.
>>282299478There were complaints when it aired, stop playing dumb.
>>282299478I'm betting most of the people didn't even watch it yet they complain. Performative tourists are the norm now.
>>282298413Ok faggot. So what?
>>282299478Bocchi boob related changes were very much a nothingburger with actual problems being with how the characters weren't gay enough compared to the manga.The problem is that reasons for the changes were not known until a few days ago.
>>282299478My point exactly. It's whining for the sake of whining, not because there's anything to whine about.Also yurifags should hang.
>>282299478I found out that when I was in first grade my parents had asked the teacher to give me extra class work and that's why I never was able to finish in time to play oregon trail on the classroom computer. you bet I was mad.
>>282299525So you think gay stuff should be shown to children?
>>282299542Children shouldn't be watching seinen anime.
>>282299478>all the outrage just shows that none of you>he says as if it's not just pantyschizo samefagging like crazy and making all the "outrage" all by himself
>>282298413I'm not surprised that this pig hates fanservice. Just look ta her.Reminder that /fit/ is right about fat people.
>>282299428The fact that it was done because of some ideological bullshit
>>282299478Nope, you can find in the archives how everyone complained and continued to do so since the episode aired, hence you are 100% wrong. Not that it matters though.
>>282299542Children watch mahou shoujo and tokusatsu, possibly the gayest things ever.
>>282299478Western outrage is overblown by a group of schizo gooners. Most Japanese are more upset about the language she used, saying she removed the "noise" from the original work. The wording is kind of insulting to the original work.>>282299525Kita being gay for Bocchi is pretty obvious in the anime I'd say.
>>282299478The moment I saw the boobs nerf I knew this anime wasn't worth my time. This just reaffirms I was right to dismiss it.
>>282299478>>282299496>>282299580>>282299457You wouldn't be defending these changes if the screenwriter was tradcuck removing anything gay-related and added pro-religion messages.
>>282298413>Bocchi got a sick adaptation >Became mainstream because it appeals to the masses >/a/ it's bad, should cater to the niche fandom and rot with no Season 2
>>282299698Rules for thee.
See? Told you it's just pantyschizo >>282299698
>>282299701Demon Slayer showed Mitsuri's bare ass and the red light district was cleavage gallore. Guess what ? It's a global phenomenon.Dandadan, One Piece, Bisque, MHA, prove you WRONG.
>>282299701The original isn't even that lewd. This is just American-style moralism rearing its head in places where it doesn't belong.
>>282298413https://xcancel.com/romly2023/status/1967571609348436046https://kai-you.net/article/93374>Article title itself: Erika Yoshida talks about the “harmfulness” of anime and expression.>Romance stories impose the idea that romance must be central to life, which is a form of violence.>In the drama "Cherry Magic!", she added an aromantic asexual character not in the original.>What she resists most strongly is “characters being sexually consumed.”>The idea that “even if it’s just a drawing, they’re still underage” is important.>In Bocchi the Rock!, Hitori takes an ice bath naked in the manga, but Yoshida put her in a swimsuit. Such depictions are “noise.”>Even works that could dominate the market lose viewers because of such noise.>What matters is whether you can show it to your own children.>Even if 99% of people are fine, if 1% of extremists do something, she fears anime culture could collapse.>Unlike novels or plays, anime is easy to access, so creators must be more careful about expression, and that mindset should spread through the industry.>That's about it. Personally I find it quite arrogant to call parts of someone else’s work “noise,” and she is the "1% extremist" from my viewpoint. At least I’ll be putting her name on my warning list. Before you ask, she will continue as the scriptwriter for Bocchi Season 2.>As for screenwriters adapting manga, the tragic case of Sexy Tanaka-san is still fresh in memory. After repeated script changes, the exhausted original mangaka took her own life. Why they casually twist someone else’s work and act as if it’s their own achievement.
>>282299747Damn, does pantyschizo have that many jp twitter alts?
>>282298413>>282299766https://xcancel.com/romly2023/status/1967573278794699174>About her, I found this interviewhttps://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/378496>Unconscious Discrimination: How Not to Make Mistakes>Yoshida: My son is four now, and I thought I was raising him in a pretty genderless. But around age two he started liking Ultraman and Kaiju, and he’d say things like, “Men keep their promises.” I’d respond, “That’s not really about being a man, you know.” It makes me realize I still have a lot to teach him.Image attached is this same quoted section from the article, but with an alternate translation.
>>282299766The unspoken rule, the real problem is that Bocchi is the protagonist.
>>282299441Why not have sex with his corpse then?
>>282298413Well, she just nuked her career from orbit. Everyone's talking about it now.
>>282299817Literacy is high enough for people to differentiate between "in a genderless way" and "as genderless" right?
>>282299854>Everyone's talking about it now.Probably not good.
>>282299884They're not being kind to her. It's Japan, not the US. At best, people are saying "well, that's her opinion", and at worst, they're evoking Go Nagai and saying that she's spitting on anime history.But that's besides the point. Being controversial like that is already a recipe for disaster.
>>282299478You're a fucking newfag that wasn't even here when the anime aired otherwise you wouldn't be saying this garbage.
>>282299856Considering all the schizos calling this "grooming", I'd say no.
>>282299766>>282299817She just needs blue hair now and she'll fit right in with those americans.
>>282299923>[citation needed]
>>282298564>bikinischizo containment threadIt's a necessary evil
>>282299923>>282299817There are a lot of jp users defending her, actually. Just look: https://x.com/D_o_Mulberry/status/1967736912963424341https://x.com/youyu9807/status/1967540146116719029The 100k likes tweet that criticized her is also full of bots and replies defending her:https://x.com/MIKITO_777/status/1967529258131374508Things are worse than you believe.
>>282299478It's all a single election tourist from 2015 that doesn't even read manga or watch anime, the retard just enjoys ruining this board. I wish the mods banned him for this, but unfortunately nothing he does is against the rules.
>>282299143god bless you. you are fighting the good fight
That's right, anime is le pozzed. It's compromised, so to speak. Which is why you should abandon anime media post-haste. The faster you leave the better
>>282300041pic not related.
>it's another schizo forced outrage thread Just come up with something new already, this got boring fast.
>>282300001Notice how the tweet criticizing her got 100k likes, though. That's insane virality by Japanese standards. I also saw this comic get reposted again. Even though everyone agrees that her work on BTR was good, they still criticize her.And no one there is defending her from the perspective of "we should censor high school girls in anime", or anything like that. Even those who agree that nudity wasn't a key element in Bocchi say that she should watch her tongue and not call the original work "noise".I expect her to make a written apology in a week or so. Otherwise, she's not gonna live this down.
>>282299338We'd cool down if you didn't spam these threads daily, pantyschizo.
>>282300094>>282298413Why did she feel the need to stir up this drama to begin with?
Damn what's with all the censorship apologists in this thread, the last one had some too but not nearly as many.
>>282298413>>282300162If someone wants to know what REALLY happened:At an anime event, Erika Yoshida, the scriptwriter for Bocchi the Rock!, looked back on the production of Bocchi the Rock!."In the original work, there's a scene where Hitori-chan gets naked to get into the cold bath, but we had it changed to a swimsuit for the anime. If Bocchi the Rock! were a work that sold itself on that kind of "sexy thing", it would be fine, but I don't believe it is. I thought those kinds of depictions would be a "noise" when aiming for "haken" . Haken in this case is like the top hit of the top, in anime is usually means it's the best anime of the season."The original work is truly wonderful, the original work side was very cooperative, the staff including the director and the music team are all working seriously, and Kerorira-sensei is drawing incredibly good illustrations. Even from the production stage, I thought this was a work that could become a top hit. But if there was that kind of "noise", it would prevent many people from watching it."As indicated by her comments, the original author agreed and cooperated. The staff, original author, and music team all worked together to create a top-tier anime.Mikito Chinen, author of the light novel Amahisa Takaono, took a single, carefully selected line out of the entire interview and quote-tweeted it, saying: "The scriptwriter calling the original work's expression 'noise'... hasn't that crossed a line?" engaging in word policing and fueling misunderstanding and backlash (flame wars) as if the scriptwriter had disregarded the original author.Fans, stirred up by Mikito Chinen, thought it was the same situation as the Sexy Tanaka-san controversy that totally changed the original work (which ended in suicide) and attacked the scriptwriter, causing this backlash.
>>282300094The 100k tweet is full of bots and the replies with the most likes are the ones defending her. Don't think this is organic.And the fact that most aren't even criticizing the fact that she called the fanservice scenes harmful and exploitative but even agree that it was good they were cut are just bothered by the "noise" comment is the problem.
>>282300173Way to simplify what she said. There's a lot more insane shit she talked about in that interview. People in the last thread also dredged up some stuff she said in the past clearly showcasing her as a nutcase.
>>282300041Censoring Subaru’s asshole with my cock
A character NAKED? In the BATH?
>>282300172She said things implying Hamaji is a pedophile for drawing those scenes and others for enjoying them, and said that self-censorship is necessary because "muh children" on social media. This shit is no different than the reasons stupid-ass boomers are implementing online IDs.The "censor eroticism to be more successful" theory is dumb also: >>282299752
>>282300083>forcedWhich part is a lie?
>>282300239Not to mention that all breasts vanished
>>282300172This thread is popular with transgender women
>>282299817holy fugshes exactly who we thought she was
>>282298413This bitch along with everyone that agrees with her should be banished from working in the industry and being in the community.
>>282299766>Romance stories impose the idea that romance must be central to life, which is a form of violenceHuh? Do sentai shows impose the idea that posing like a goofball and fighting evil must be central to life? This is just absolutely retarded.
>>282298413She Is also raising her son as non binary.This bitch need to go.
>>282300448The whole "x is a form of violence" is 101 for this kind of talking point. Everything is violence, and what we're doing is anti-violence, so we're good, you're bad, and you're oppressive and violent if you don't do what we want.It doubles up for the final stages where they get to shoot you and shrug and say "what? he had a history of violence"
>>282298413>>282299766The main issue should be that this screenwriter wants restrictions on anime. Never again can an anime character bathe naked. Else it is the official work calling on fans to "exploit" fictional characters. She scapegoats fiction as influencing a "1% of extremists" to do harm. She believes obeying and censoring fiction in advance will prevent real-life harm. She calls fictional characters minors.Anime will become more and more censored/restricted under her and others advocating for content restrictions on fiction.I discuss how TV stations in Japan censor content here: >>282278283Activist ideas influence anime productions by creating anti-fiction restrictions. This causes censorship and self-censorship.I discuss what is fiction censorship here: >>282283569
>>282300172People ITT don't like censorship either, they just hate (You) for spamming this shit every day especially when you block any attempt at a rational conversation with "censorship apologist" and >>282300312 "tranny".>>>/pol/
>>282299478People complained when it aired but gave it the benefit of the doubt because there's all kinds of reasons why changes like that happen these days for anime adaptations. Knowing that the reason was because of some schizo feminist writer on the team who thinks the original work is for pedos now gives it a new context which pisses people off. It's not hypocritical nor is it difficult to understand.
>>282300239>She said things implying Hamaji is a pedophile for drawing those scenes and others for enjoying themWhere?
>>282300528One spammer doesn't make the rules.
>>282300533>but gave it the benefit of the doubtI didn't, the boob reduction was stupid now and it was back then too.
>>282300558He's fucking with you. She said it's child exploitation material, which is close enough I suppose.
>>282298413>>282300265I commended the adaptation because making the girls flat was a huge upgrade over the manga. I wrote it off as a sign of excellent taste from the character designer. Which I'm sure is still at least partially true.This reasoning however is something I would expect a westoid psychopath to say.
>>282300588Just a nu-male with a victimization complex then?What a surprise.
>>282300568So is this the endgame for these schizos? Shilling korean cartoons?It did seem strange that these schizos only show up during asian hours, now it all makes sense, koreans are trying to shill their own cartoons by shitting on anime.
>>282300568>Solo levelingOn second thought, I welcome our nip feminist overlords.
>>282300558nta but from here >>282299766 she says that >What she resists most strongly is “characters being sexually consumedi.e., drawing something that can be considered sexual is consuming itand >The idea that “even if it’s just a drawing, they’re still underage” is importantsuggesting that the author artist is creating and consuming underage porn
>>282298413>Hitori takes an ice bath nakedyou cannot be this fucking retarded
>>282299639I agree, the wording is disrespectful to the source material.
>>282300609It's just a well known spambot.
If this isn't the proof that "moralfag culture" exists in Japan, then I don't know what the hell it is
>>282298413I mean she’s correct.
>>282299940I don't join garbage seasonal threads. If something is worth my time I wait for the BDs to release.The last airing anime I watched was in 2016.
>>282300602Isn't there an obvious implication there? If you're calling it exploitation material what does that make of the creator? A producer of exploitation material.
Japan is over...
>>282300701>clearly faked image>random empty space to bypass filtersGo eat a dog or something, you korean shill.
>>282300615Bocchi is canonically retarded.
>>282300701>Feminists work on the best anime that've come out of Japan in ages.>"sane" woman and men work on slop like Solo Leveling and generic isekai/ln adaptation #293894308Naruhodo...
>>282300602What do you think is the implication of "sexual exploitation" in this context?
>>282298413>OHNONONONONO not my naked lolis!!!1
>>282300602retard
>>282299019>The manga is literally the same, but more lesbian.That sounds awful.
>>282299019>The manga is literally the same, but more lesbian.That sounds amazing.
>>282298413>all that matters is number go up>erase all artistic identity that doesn't contribute to popularity, it would just be noiseShe should work on shounen, not motherfucking kirara
>>282300797Yes. Yes you are.Now slit your wrist, emofag.
>>282298413She's rightMade in Abyss would be 1000 times better and accepted without pedo shit
Solo leveling had best source material inside anime
>>282300796You're going down with us with all that online ID verification thing and texas baning manga that soon will be the norm.
>>282300666Elaborate.And don't bring the "mild fanservice = less sales": >>282299752
>>282300239Meant this post for: >>282300173
>>282300568>>282301097What are Korea's and China's equivalents to DLSite or DMM? I'll wait. Are there any pornographic video game platforms there?Korea is okay. I like 4 Cut Hero. But the Manhwa's Bilibili release for China actually censored a skimpy bikini. Furthermore, 4 Cut Hero's "anime" adaptation was produced by China's Bilibili directly, and it was completely censored.Does China have a bikini ban? In some cases, it does. Look at the image attached to this post.Source for the censored Bilibili/China release of 4 Cut Hero: https://manga.bilibili.com/mc27499/403927Chapter 9 of 4 Cut Hero.
>>282299766>I’ll be putting her name on my warning list. Before you ask, she will continue as the scriptwriter for Bocchi Season 2.Lmao, it’s good that she’s the scriptwriter for Bocchi S2. She’s one of the better ones, you’d want on your anime since she makes the banter funny. Just look at her other works like Maebashi Witches. The characters and script are phenomenal because Erika knows how to lift the dynamics with good banter. Any meh or "just good enough"scriptwriter would make a shit job at it. Scripts are one of the most underappreciated and overlooked parts of anime. People think a good premise is enough, but then you get mid stuff like Romeo x Juliet. Cool premise, but the script is awful and underwhelming, and it’s literally an adaptation of Shakespeare for god’s sake.
>>282301291These are Solo Levelingfags, don't expect them to understand what you're saying.
Lmao, pantyschizo is just straight up shilling gookslop and chinkslop now.
>>282301363It's crazy that the mods do nothing to stop this obvious shill.
>>282299817Yeah okay that's the mindset of a Korean woman who hates men. Good & loving Japanese mothers know toku instills lessons like the value of camaraderie and the importance of bonds. She's been mindpoisoned by Korean k-pop and Megalian ideology. Young boys learn the importance of camaraderie & the value of bonds through toku, and they grow in to /m/en.
>>282301291You say that like there's no other script writers around, who also happen to not be a crazy bitch who loves babyfying anime so her toddler can watch.
>>282301423please learn english korean esl newfag-kun
>>282300239>She said things implying Hamaji is a pedophile for drawing those scenes and others for enjoying themThen why didn't you quote and reference that much more damning statement? The OP presented a reasonable editorial decision if they wanted to reach a different demographic. The author was probably happy to follow along.
>>282301291she could do all that without censoring anything. Face the facts faggot, this script-writing cunt has a tick for anything with tits and ass because she has no tits and ass.
>>282299766>Romance stories impose the idea that romance must be central to life, which is a form of violence.That's not always true. I can think of a few manga where after the confession and drama, the story focuses on trying to create a long term relationship with their future careers and creating a household in mind.
>>282301232>4 Cut Hero's "anime" adaptationIt had an anime adaptation?
>>282298413consensus and catering to audiences in general is low iq, the average fourchanner before 2014 could write better anime than whatever had been put out to the masses since then
Why don't you fags just jerk off instead of edging to an anime? Fanservice adds next to nothing to a show's narrative.
>>282301443it's a bot trained on bikini-poster.
>>282298413Sounds like a very commercial, corporate approach to anime.
>>282299766>Romance stories impose the idea that romance must be central to life, which is a form of violence.this fat woman is completely retarded
>>282301505Seeing as he just repeated the entire thing I'm inclined to believe that.
>>282301503>braindead retard thinks a woman having big boobs is pornSeek help
>>282301505It's probably a pro censorship fag trying to delegitimize any and all anti censorship discussions.
>>282301503>I want narrative!!11>no you can't want [not what I want]you have to be over eighteen to post here, anon
>>282301419Name some decent ones. You can’t, because you don’t know any and they’re not as famous as directors or animators. Even the recent shows like GQuuuuuuX had shit script like the interaction between Machu, Shuji and Nyaan under the bridge in ep 3? or 4?, and that was done by Yoji Enokido and Hideaki Anno.
>>282301503don't defend this dumb woman
>>282298413She is protecting anime and yet people hate her for it.
>>28230152415 year old=/= woman. It's a girl. A child>>282301541Likewise, I can't fathom how an adult can get excited over seeing a hint of a breast in a cartoon. Porn is literally free
>>282299766This is Marxism, unironically.
>>282299817It's always the child abuse that comes with it.
>>282301554You know he'll cite some shit-tier isekai fantasy or some mediocre crap like Frieren. These "people" have no taste to speak of.
>>282301554I... I cannot. I am defeated. I guess Erika Yoshida really is the only good script writer in all of anime. Congratulations to your victory, champion.
oh look, a fat marxist
>>282301586>>282301541
>>282301586Nice goalpost you got there.
>>282301477You really can’t. Scriptwriters are a scarce resource. You either need to hire the ones from Yuru Yuri, Gintama, or Non Non Biyori for Bocchi.
>>282301647>Scriptwriters are a scarce resourcelmao
>>282299817If guns were legal in Japan the boy would become a school shooter.
Bocchi lost, CSM won
>>282299817How many people moralfagging about this even have children themselves?
>>282300533>because of some schizo feminist writer on the team who thinks the original work is for pedos nowThisI even can accept the boob reduction , less ecchi and less lesbian version if the reason is to make it for a "wider audience" not because the original is pedo pandering, wada wau/kereno levels of degeneracy, she is like these localizertroons who change dialog just for woke points
>>282301689Heterosexual behavior isn't compatible with the script writer's philosophy, so likely not many.I hate how demonized heterosexuality is nowadays.
>>282298413I always had a bad feeling about this show that other SoL anime like Yama no Susume didn't give me. The moe artstyle used seemed too flat and unappealing to me, and the fact that normalfags kept praising it didn't help at all. Thank God I didn't watch it.
>>282301524flat is justice newfag, big boobs deserve no rights
>>282301789That doesn't have anything to do with the argument lmao
>>282298413>Even if 99% of people are fine, if 1% of extremists do something, she fears anime culture could collapse.The fabled anime extremists from the 80s...This is what happens when you open yourself to western feminist propaganda.
>>282301497Yup. Produced directly by China's Bilibili. https://anidb.net/anime/18236Therefore, all objectionable content was censored from the ground up.It's funny how the official Bilibili censorship of the manhwa looks like the bikini schizo's fake edits that turn bikinis into one-piece swimsuits.>>282301539It really does seem that way.Anyway, I believe I thoroughly debunked schizo ideas that China is a based country filled with uncensored fiction.As a previous debunk, I wrote about how any fictional content bans may be blamed on Japan's TV stations and activists, rather than the two LDP prime ministers the schizos hate. I hope I helped identify the actual causes of anime censorship.For this current fiction censorship controversy, I stand firmly by my post here: >>282300516
>>282301804i assumed that anon was talking about bocchi got her boobs removed
>>282301804It has everything to do with the argument.
>>282301854about how*
>>282301846>Therefore, all objectionable content was censored from the ground up.You mean in the anime, or did they retroactively censor the manga in china?
>>282300041wonder how well your quirky smugness will fair when all your favorite anime that focuses on high-school girls will be considered unacceptable, because it's voyeuristic or something
>>282301453Nothing in the OP was reasonable.>"We must tone down the violence in Doom in case the 1% commits crimes.">"We must censor content because muh children can see it in the internet>"They're all very convenient arguments for the necessity of online IDs.
>>282301586See, you're calling the mangaka a pedophile now for sexualizing the character.
>>282301933Some of the greatest mangaka are pedophiles.
>>282301968First of all, why do you know what some twitter faggot does? And why are you against it?
>>282301968The Japanese started. What's wrong with calling out people who essentially call you child molesters?
>>282301968literary>stop noticing!Jesus Christ...
Bocchicucks going nuclear trying to defend this shit, lol, the amount of mental gymnastics I've seen so far is remarkable, almost worthy of its own halls of anal devastation compilation.
>contrarians ITT defending this rabid feminist censoring anime directly from source>while this shit has gone super viral in Japan where eveyone is shitting on the bitchdamn westoids really are cucks huh?
>>282301968How can you be such a bootlicker for the industry to the point of getting frustrated when someone who intentionally engages in bad practices is rightfully exposed and criticized?
>>282302158I don't use social media, is it really going THAT viral?
>>28230218295% of the complaints are about her calling the mangaka's work noise.
>in order to defend ourselves against 1% extremists we must do exactly what they demand
>>282298442This.>>282298851>>282300796>>282300944>>282301503>>282301581>>282301586>>282301968Kill yourselves, retarded tourists. No solution to your kind besides extermination.
I just want to inform you all that COMICK IS DEAD. for real this time.Jannies don't want us to talk about it for some reason, even thought this is extremely important. literally the backbone of our hobby,RIP manga piracy.It really is over.
>>282302234>babby's first site closure
>>282298413>>282275831Kita exudes enough sexual aura fully clothed. There’s no point for the others to try to flaunt what they got as it would be all in vain.
>>282302248People, especially scanlators are tired of site-hopping.
>>282302258>abloobloook
>>282302234>literally the backbone of our hobby,>manga piracy.Manga thrives from people actually buying and supporting the creators.
>>282302265kys
>>282300094>Even though everyone agrees that her work on BTR was good, they still criticize her.I really don't Bocchi was good in spite of her erasing the breasts and being a fucking weirdo who wanted to censor everything, not because of it
>>282302230Saying "go to Japan and do something about it" is the same as saying "shut up" lol. Westerner fans aren't entitled to complain to other Westerners on a Westerner imageboard huh. Goofy.
>>282302248It's shocking in this case because everyone was expecting Dex to die first while Comick takes its place.
>>282298413She also fucked up the Tower of God anime, though it was already doomed from other aspects as well
>>282302258Maybe they should learn to respect copyright.
>>282302398your post is glowing
>>282302412kill yourself
>>282302398All lolicons are feminists tho.
>>282302279stop being a bitch
>>282301902The 4 Cut Hero anime. It was produced directly for Bilibili and China. The manhwa is censored too for China, but they are edits to the original uncensored, non-Bilibili-produced version. The anime was created and animated with censorship/China's restrictions in mind as a Bilibili production.China has restrictions against fiction. Back to the main topic of the thread, for Bocchi's anime censorship, China is seemingly irrelevant.
>>282302460>abloobloook
Westoids are cucks who defend censorship, JapanKAMIs call her out like she deserves.
>>282302234Why the fuck does this thread stay up but a thread about the currently most used website for scanlators to distribute their scans going down gets deleted? What's wrong with the jannies today?
>>282298413Bocchi only got popular thanks to the anime so I'd say she's actually correct. No one gave a fuck about that garbage manga.
>>282302158Virtually everyone left here is a tourist to begin with, even if you actually like anime and come here all you can do is read absolute retard takes all day and feel compelled to engage in a useless internet fight with them that wastes hours of your life. Its not for actually talking about the things you like in anime, since people that hate anime are allowed to be here.
>>282300094>>282300197>we must track how many users like this and that on xitter and how organic this and that isSo it has come to this, huh.
>>282302515>why does a thread about anime stay up while a thread about something that's not anime or manga keeps getting deleted
>>282302553This thread isn't about anime. It's emo faggots bitching about how victimized they are like a bunch of women.
>>282302515I don't know what janies are thinking. it's so retarded that this huge ofa news isn't allowed on /a/. It;s like they are saying "LOL NOT MY PROBLEM!" bitch. it's a problem for a huge majority of english manga readers.
>>282302472then we must ban all china things on 4chan.those pricks never want to discuss real nippon anime/manga anyway. why is grapeape suckin up to them? he got no investments in west taiwan animes.
fat
>>282298413Since Bocchi the Rock became viral, wasn't she proven right?
I knew about the censorship before this controversy and avoided the anime. How about you /a/? Did you get baited into watching something sloppified with censorship? Everyone who watched missed out. Season 2 will be censored too. You still have a chance to pray it's uncensored or move onto the manga.
>>282301905I'm sure this will certainly happen because of one director. Double retard
>>282302779It became viral despite that, not because of it. Unless you want to believe the average bocchi fan is a hyperprude who wouldn't care about the show if Bocchi were nude in the bath in one scene, or if the characters actually had their correct body proportions in their normal, non-fanservice outfits.
>>282302779Who's to say it's because of the censorship?
>>282302788i watched Bang Dream instead because they censored her beebs.and 3D animes is great!
>It's good because it's popularI guess your favorite animation is Kpop Demon Hunters and favorite video game is Roblox?
>>282298413Well Bocchi almost went unconscious in the ice bath. Do you know how mortified ghost Bocchi would be if EMS had to be called to her lewd bodacious naked body?
>>282298668Based
>>282302794I wasn't trying to imply that this specific director would make that happen, but I'm very confident that that's the direction this industry is heading in if not enough people go against the kind of thing she's doing
>>282299428Hamaji loves thcik Mongolian cock
>>282302838>Unless you want to believe the average bocchi fan is a hyperprude who wouldn't care about the show if Bocchi were nude in the bath in one sceneYou're underestimating the volume of teenage and college-aged girls who watch anime aimed at teenage and college-aged boys and get mad when there's any amount of cleavage, women shown in mild states of undress, or boobs jiggling when someone is running. Even with those things removed and altered, guys will still watch since they're fans of the source material, or they have an insatiable appetite for cute girls, but girls will just drop it and never look back if it feels "objectifying."
/a/ poster thinks hes an expert on girls
>>282302779Many people have just now learned it was censored, and most still don't know.
>>282302001Some people are more invested in the narrative than anything else. Like if a famous director was revealed to be raping hundreds of accesses that auditioned under them, there will always be people that absolutely hate the actresses that came forward and the newspapers that report on it, saying "how DARE you". Because the stupid accesses hurt the narrative for them, and now "other side" will run with it.In reality the original Japanese post had millions of views well before Americans joined in on this controversy.But people are absolutely fuming that "attention is brought to this" at the moment because it highlights something they don't want highlighted and hurts their carefully protected narrative. They're seething because they see this as something the "other side" can use as ammo.
>>282302282>in spiteIt’s good because Erika Yoshida wrote the funny script, and you laughed at it, you hypocrite. Faggots like you don’t realize how good she is with scripts.
>>282298413>LITERALLY admits it>japan is throwing a massive shit fit>there are people in this thread still trying to call it forced and you are a schizo for noticingAnyone care to explain?
>>282298413>>282299766Bocchi The Rock fans are mostly troons (and yurifags) so they agree with this wholeheartedly Anyway, as new talent comes in to fill the gaps of the OGs this sort of people in anime will become more frequent, seems like it's inevitable. The slippery slope is real and will work even better with the japanese since they're all cucked yes man that will only realize what is going on too late.
>>282303286They are pro censorship and pro anything really if they feel (keyword: feel) like it owns the chuds
>>282303249Yoshida being good at writing comedy does not justify the pointless censorship, especially not with such poor reasoning and obvious personal distaste for the source material shining through, ESPECIALLY not insulting the original work and author. She could be the greatest writer on the planet and she'd still be wrong in this scenario, stop your pathetic defending of her ridiculous views
>>282302838>despiteSo why weren’t Onimai and Ruri no Hōseki as popular as Bocchi? There’s no censorship, nothing holding those shows back. Some characters even got buffed. Erika Yoshida was right after all.
>>282298413If she wants to make a family friendly anime, just adapt from family friendly works too. Fucking idiot.
>>282303286You cant read Japanese. Majority are defending her and most her criticism is about her use of the word "noise" which is seen as disrespectful to the original work, not about the actual changes itself.
>>282303339>Majority are defending herLolLmao
>bochi the rock spin-off scanlation is only at chapter 26>indonesian scanlation is at chapter 48???
>It became popular therefore she's rightt. Eats McDonalds, watches Kpop Demon Hunters, plays Roblox, collects Labubu, listens to Italian Brainrot AI music remix
>>282303323>So why weren't [very popular shows] as popular as Bocchi?Looks like it didn't matter after all.
GoonGODS already noticed this years ago btw, so i'm glad everyone else finally woke up.
>>282303420What the fuck is a labubu
>>282298413Man... the bitter lesson being online is that whatever your argument is, it doesn't matter at all if you're insufferable in your actual behavior. You seem to be determined to learn it the hard way.
Bocchi isnt a fanservice show so who cares. Clearly she did something right judging by how people only gave a shit about Bocchi thanks to the anime.
>>282298413>apparently shes trying to raise her son non-binaryWhat a disgusting bitch.
>>282303339You're breaking the narrative.
>>282303380>You cant read Japanese.
>>282303339>>282303467no need to samefag
Oh is this going to be the new thing schizos latch on to and spam threads about for years?
>>282303487I see people shitting on her everywhere, not just about the specific word noise.
>>282303505Spamming buzzwords doesn't work when the screenwriter literally admits what they did in detail lol
>>282303513Why are the supposed schizos right though?
>100K likes for a post criticizing the crazy bitch>/a/: "NOOOO JAPANESE PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING HER!!!! THEY LIKE HER!!!! YOU CANT READ THE HECKIN NIHONGO KANJI, CHUD!!!!"
>>282303513>>282303487
>>282303546Keep telling yourself that. Surely no one is angry. No censorship happened. It's all just in the schizos heads.
>>282303494You're wrong, but you'll continue believing otherwise because the sheer fact that more than one person thinks you're an overdramatic faggot breaks your pea-sized brain.
>>282303544contrarians
>>28230339148 is the most recent chapter. https://comic-fuz.com/manga/viewer/70088
We are at a point in this hobby where a japanese female screenwriter can unironically come out and say that she purposefully censored fanservice because she thinks it's "harmful" and romance somehow equates to violence, while stating in another interview she is raising her kid in a "genderless way" and people think this is totally fine and good actually. I guess this was going to happen eventually, it always does.
>>282303640wow indonesians are very up to date
>>282303464is the existence of big breasts also "fanservice"? Based, all the whores with big breasts irl need to be forced to remove them, think of the children!
>>282303668cute
>>282303680
THIS IS LITERALLY PORN AND VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND MY GENDERLESS AROMANTIC SON!!IF YOU ARE A TRUE /a/ 4CHANNER YOU NEED TO DEFEND OUR KWEEN AGAINST THE SCHIZO CHUDS!!!!THE JAPANESE ARE ON OUR SIDE, PATRIOTS ARE IN CONTROL!!!
>>282298668Actually CSM killed itself without any help
>>282303615This. There are too many /v/tards itt.
>>282299817American imperialism and its consequences
>>282303700
>>282298413>Unlike novels or plays, anime is easy to access, so creators must be more careful about expression, and that mindset should spread through the industry.That's right. The only people who take issue with this are outrage baiters and grifters.
>>282303835
why is this an issue now, we literally knew this when it was airing and no one cared back then
>>282303962She very explicitly said the quiet part out loud
>>282303962mask off moment
>>282303962People cared. Stop history revisionism.
>>282302788Adaptations always change something. It's not like the censored stuff was central to the series.
>>282303286It's not like this at all. You're a faggot, pantyschizo.
>>282303962I do remember people here pointing it out, and even on twitter, I guess this blowing up because the screenwriter revealed herself to be a crazy feminist
>>282299089So he is right. Thank you for your cooperation.
>>282304078Nope. Most of this thread is against the censorship, with a couple of troll posts being in favor of it, but getting ignored.Stop talking about yourself in third person.
>>282303286feminists, asexual faggots, puritan zoomers/boomers, and pro-censorship bootlickers are being insufferable again, as usual.
>>282303286 contrarians >>282303615
She's right. All anime should employ the Diaper Standard, if a 4 year old can't watch it, it shan't be airing. The cow goes moo. The horse goes neigh.
>>282298413Story is what matters, there is no need to bring nudity to anime because it serves no purpose and is distasteful
>>282304177Story serves no purpose, it distracts from the flashy colors and funny faces.
>>282304194>uwaaa people are posting things i hate mods pls ban or i will post pornare you 12?
>>282298413>let woman lead>political correctness reignsLike clockwork.Censorship is prevalent now more than ever in anime and is a disease, she really fucked up by admitting it's a decision she personally made.The original work should never be compromised upon when adapting to anime.
Women's suffrage was a mistake.
>>282298413so she's basically a /v/ tier localizer kek
>>282304219That's still older than you, zoom zoom.
>half of /a/ is now pro censorshipI'll never forgive the chinese and their covid.
>>282298413Go back to twitter faggot
>>282304446most zoomers support censorship thoughbeit.
>>282304471>>half of /a/ is now pro censorshipNah, just samefags and discord duos
>>282298413She’s just an ugly feminist jealous guys won’t pay attention to her there’s still plenty of women in the industry who don’t care and will beat her out.
>>282304471All of /a/, actually. And all of the Japanese. You don't know English or Japanese.
>>282304602Prove it
>>282304602?
>>282302794She isn't even a director, she's a writer. Her influence is almost null and easily overridden by directors and producers but people finally found someone to blame I guess
>>282304602JP only cares about her insulting the mangaka btw.
>>282304706Nice to know they're not schizophrenics with a projection fetish like westerners are.
>>282304768>westerners
Friendly reminder to ignore dishonest shitposter. Just share information about censorship from activist screenwriter and support Japan bros on twitter.
>>282302230Anime was originally made for kidsGooners are the tourists
It's hopeful seeing anti-censorship movement in Japan growing day by day.
>>282303464>anime is more popular than mangaWow, this is completely unprecedented. This is so rare. She must have worked so hard!
>>282298413>Even works that could dominate the market lose viewers because of such noise.>Top 3 best seller anime of 2022 >Uncut manga>Selling worse than KanokariSomething does not add up
>>282304932only because the more powerful pro-censorship mandate is growing
>>282304932Is it really? It feels like it arrived too late when now censorship is pretty much the norm and only getting broader
>>282303962I don't think the people getting riled up about this knew what Bocchi was until they had the golden opportunity to push their culture war faggotry.
>>282305040better late than never, at least people are noooticing
Censorship bad.Pantyschizo & friends bad.Anus.>>282305043This. The feminist screen writer obviously picked a series that was safe from the start. Bocchi isn't different from most of Kirara. They all are inoffensive and the majority of them keep the fanservice to a minimum. The K-On anime is as "guilty" too, and it's over 15 years old.
>>282305040
>>282298413>RUINING animechuds hold Japan to this standard of adhering to their fetishes as a collective. tiresome..>>282298564>"Sex appeal is not the selling point of Bocchi, so it doesn't need it.">https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2>Do you agree with her, /a/?agreed! and bocchi more successful than ever! go woke, get gold!
So... did anyone read what the producer said or something
Visa and Mastercard are actually taking away your hobbies yet here you are bitching about some woman
>>282305238It's all part of the same ploy
>>282305238they're on the same side
>>282305205but no one said anything about anyone forcing anything? ...uh oh
>>282305205You don't even need to to know that obviously this doesn't just stop with this screenwriter, a screenwriter alone doesn't have the power to completely change a show like that. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole team was infected.>>282305238Believe me, I bitch a hell of a lot about Visa/MC too, I'm not biased unlike some people. That's bad, this is also bad.
>>282305205That just means the entire producing staffs are pro toning own sexuality. just makes it even worse.
Bocchi S2 never, I guess?
>>282305278You and I both know that this isn't true...
>>282305158Panschizo on suicide watch.
>>282305347Literally nothing will happen considering how big Bocchi is now. Only change is that the writer will get told to stop doing interviews
>>282299766If permavirgin otaku don't take offense at romance anime implying their life would be happier if they got a girlfriend, why does this married woman with a child take offense at them?
>>282304932>>282304276so it’s not their personality or backstory, the only thing that matters with this character is ice bath scene? Then it’s not a well made character
>All the people in the twitter thread claiming that the anime was a success because the eroticism was reduced compared to the mangaYeah definitely that and not the many other reasons. No, they won't explain why it's definitely that.
>>282305466The funny part is that way the scene got adapted didn't mater for the success of the series. Proxy arguments on both sides. They're all dishonest.
This bitch is completely missing the point of an entertainment media>sexy scenes are just noise, not the main point of the series, so it's not necessary!BITCH, anime itself isn't necessary. we all gonna survive life without anime. but anime are still being made. why? because we all enjoy them. anime make us happy. same with sexy scenes.This fucking bitch, I swear.
>>282299338>reasonable discussion>/a/You expect too much.
>>282305466Pro-censors are always full of shit.I don't even remember the bath scene.It's so unimportant that there's no fucking reason in removing them.This shit is the same as replacing Male/Female to Body Type A/B. it's not "important', but it's still fucking jarring.
>>282298413Aren't the director, producer and character designer all men? Does this woman even have enough influence to change things to her whim as a writer?
>>282305417This is actually the saddest part. I know it’s anime and fanservice is a huge problem and those people will never see a woman as anything other than a body, but bocchi is a very well made character.
>>282305628Tourists from the right side malding not every otaku is le based anti westoid propaganda.Even moreso when the censorship did not affected sales.
>>282302779Correlation doesn't imply causation.
>>282305628The director was a rookie.
>>282303487https://may.ftbucket.info/may/cont/may.2chan.net_b_res_1351627762/index.htmhttps://may.2chan.net/b/res/1351730524.htm
SaveTheBonerCulture
>>282303962When it was airing people assumed it was for the TV age ratings.Now we know that it was for a deranged feminist's ideology.
>>282299856Either-or given she's "worried" her 4 year old son likes toku instead of just letting him be, that mind of hers is poisoned already
>>282299817Jesus. This is some Korean feminist tier.
>>282305842He probably also had no say in Frieren. Frieren anime had some episodes 1:1 to the manga and underutilized animation's strength. Completely different adapting style to Bocchi.
>>282299817>age two he started liking Ultraman and Kaiju, and he’d say things like, “Men keep their promises.” I’d respond, “That’s not really about being a man, you know.”Based Japanese children's entertainment promoting real manly values
>>282305527>The funny part is that way the scene got adapted didn't mater for the success of the series.Which is the point. We're not saying the series was a flop and it was because she censored it, she's saying it was a success entirely because she censored it. The majority of people don't give a shit either way, and we all know the saying; if it didn't matter, why censor it?
>>282306081Isn't this the dude who hits on children?
>>282305688That's beside the point. I may see women like that but if I want porn I will watch porn, if I am not watching porn then whatever I am watching I expect there to be plot, storytelling, direction and believable characters (acting in case of live action).
>>282299817lmao how are you an adult and get worried your child likes superhero time
>>282306345Bathing with a swimsuit is not a believable plot. If you know nothing about this anime, why even reply.
>>282306345how is an ice bath porn?
>>282306400>NOOOOOOOOOO LITTLE TAKESHI YOU CAN'T LIKE GUNDAM! YOU MUST PLAY WITH BARBIE!
>>282306094The usual pantyshit tier argument is that a series is SHIT if even a single pantyshot got removed.If the situation allows it, they will blame the missing pantyshot on the lack of success of a series. Doesn't work here.
>>282305466I gave up on anime pretty fast after BNHA had this steep downwards curve from "ooh, this premise is interesting, reminds me of Sky High" to "oh, so they're just gonna have the comic relief be a sexual harasser and also sexualize all of these high school freshmen constantly."
>>282306599>pantyshitpantyschizo*Small freudian slip.
>>282306599Well I'm sorry, I'm not pantyschizo. Maybe I should've said I instead of we, my apologies.
>>282306630>shounenshitterGo away.
>>282306636Solve your personal grudge where they originated. Please stop shitting up genuine discussion. You are just like him this way you know.
>>282304932 In what meaningful way exactly? Are you actually trying to compare the changes made when adapting anime to manga, which happen all the time, to be on the same level as the systematic effort made by advocacy groups to harass companies and governments into making otaku media less accessible? I'm going to be honest with you, I don't really think anyone here actually cares about censorship here as far as I'm concerned, and people only care about this because they have an easy target for them to push their shitty culture war agenda. Why so? because this entire controversy has nothing to do with censorship in the first place. Anime making changes to its source material to appeal to specific audiences or to comply with broadcasting laws is nothing new. There are so many factors that go into adapting anime that people don't consider. Like, are you idiots going to say that references to underage drug use being removed is now censorship? The funny thing is that the manga still exists. Like it's there for anyone to read (not that any of you will), but you're all too busy getting riled up over nothing, while freedom of expression is being slowly phased out by governments and companies.
>>282306689I never though you (in the reply chain) were, I just wanted to make my argument explicit.I am all for removal of this writer, of course.>>282306729I don't see it, unless you support the view that all posts making arguments into this direction are his.
>>282306755>Like, are you idiots going to say that references to underage drug use being removed is now censorship?I hate culture war faggots like you wouldn't believe, but yes.
>>282306797>thoughthought*Fuck typing today.
>>282306345A girl in an ice bath is not porn. A girl having big boobs is not porn. Get help.
>>282306755
>>282299817Ugh, so she's one of those unhinged feminist types. I pity her son, he's not going to come out normal.Her personal life aside, this Bocchi anime issue isn't her fault when this sort of decision is a team effort. It's not a series that aims to use sex appeal so the decision to downplay the few potentially sexual elements (however casually it's depicted) to maintain mass appeal isn't anything new. Not much difference from the K-ON anime which took away a panty shot and replaced it with a now iconic visual gag.
>>282306755do the world a favor and find a bridge
>>282306815Why though? Like I said earlier, the source material still exists, and on top of that, what counts as censorship for anime adaptations? I an anime being more or less adult censorship? Are cuts to content also censorship? Are changes made to appeal to a specific time slot censorship? If that's the case, I think you're being a bit unreasonable.
>>282304841
>>282306755This sort of nuanced perspective is unfortunately wasted here, there is really no arguing otherwise with fans that demand total rigidity from adaptations and that increasingly have grown up in a culture war pressure cooker. The only thing left that unites "otaku" any more is being frothingly mad at creatives for what amounts to trivia.
>>282306755>Like, are you idiots going to say that references to underage drug use being removed is now censorship?Of course it is censorship. It's censorship out of necessity (because not doing so is against regulations). Mosaics in japanese porn are also censorship. Are you seriously retarded enough to claim that they are not censorship?
>>282307478He is a bad faith actor like many itt. It's pointless to argue with them.
>>282306458>>282306488>>282306883And that's why she doesn't need to be naked
>>282307658In a BATHTUB?
>>282307478 That is not the same thing. It's not a regulation that covers every medium. Like, if you said that there are no more works being made that have underage drug use spanning every medium, then yes, that's censorship.
>>282307658Porn ruined your brain if your argument is "people can only be naked in porn".
>>282299698Retards ITT are actually using the arguments from this image.>He doesn't need to smoke a cigarette because it's not related to the story>They don't need to show big boobs in One Piece, it's not porn>Who cares if the gun is taken out, the story and narrative are exactly the same>One Piece is still extremely popular, the censorship means nothing
>>282302230>tourist calling others touriststhis is where we're at
>>282307658She was naked in the manga. She's literally taking a bath inside her house. Having a swimsuit on in that situation is the real noise.
>>282307723Yes, if she is shown on screen then she should be wearing clothes>>282307755No, it's your brain thats been ruined.
>>282307790no u
>>282307827Ok Ms. Yoshida
>>282307827>Yes, if she is shown on screen then she should be wearing clothesThis is like stage-1 book burner here. No, bot, you don't get to say nudity in art is bad, automatically context matters and even if it didn't fuck you still.
>>282307757They aren't retards. They are activists.
>>282307872Built for lesbian sex.
>>282307906Yeah, they aren't being stupid because they were born with developmental problems, they're being stupid because that's how they make their paper.
>>282298413So you're angry at censorship?Why pretend some random woman invented it just now
Why are people ITT acting like bathing is something degenerate that needs to be censored? Unless you're American or muslim, I can't comprehend how someone can think this. Seriously, just watch American media if you want things to be moralfag-friendly.
>>282306755Let me present you with an example; in the adaptation for Jojo Part 3, Jotaro smokes a cigarette and later on during the same episode, uses that cigarette he was smoking as a means to expose the enemy stand user who was pretending to be the captain of the boat. Jotaro smoking that cigarette was censored in the initial TV airing of Part 3, yes, censored. People complained about this when it aired, however they were less upset about this because they understood the context behind this decision; television broadcast standards in Japan restrict depictions of minors smoking on television. They could have chosen to completely remove the cigarette and change the scene entirely, such as make Jotaro figure out the captain is an imposter without the use of the cigarette smoke gag, after all it's not like Jotaro NEEDS to be depicted smoking, it's not THAT important to the plot of the show, but they chose instead to censor it only as it aired on television, and release the uncensored version later on on bluray, as that would be the best compromise between faithfully adapting the original work as it was, while also removing the content that broadcasting standards disallowed.If they were like this woman, what they would have done instead was not only completely remove all cigarettes because "what if little Takeshi thinks smoking is cool" or "well I PERSONALLY find depictions of smoking in fiction distasteful", then they would have bragged about how the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was only ever popular because they removed the cigarettes, and then (You) would cheer it on because Araki was a hack anyway and she was the one who made it good and if you wanted to see cigarettes you should just go read the manga, or go buy a pack or something.
tl;dr
>>282308039He was talking to me and I have to say he is pretty normal comparing to a guy spamming porn for his imaginary nemesis.
>>282308088You are giving him too much credit by assuming he watches Jojo. This thread attracted people who don't care about anime at all and he is one.
>>282308088Not that I disagree with your point at all, but I find that example pretty funny because no one in their right mind would look at Jotaro and think "Ah, that's clearly a minor". That's just an example of the particular rule-following nature of nipponland. NTA that you were replying to though.
>>282298413>nobody gave a fuck about the original work>feminist writer decides to make it palatable to a broader audience>it blows up>years later explain what and why you did it>suddenly everyone is a day one fan of the original and fuming at the mouth>"how dare she ruin the original work"I can't take you normalfags seriously.
>>282308267go back to /v/
>I am Onda, who edited the report on Erisa Yoshida's talk event.>The "noise" mentioned in this article refers to templated expressions often seen in late-night anime (such as scenes where girls comment on each other's breast sizes).>As someone who has watched *Bocchi the Rock!*, I could agree that such elements are unnecessary (noise) for conveying the themes of the work *Bocchi the Rock!*. Furthermore, from Yoshida's statements, I felt no intention whatsoever to limit the value or scope of expressions or works. On the contrary, I strongly sensed the effort of a scriptwriter and respect for the original work in wanting to make the potential of the work known to many people.>I believe that those who read the article to the end will understand this point, but I reflect on the fact that my attempt to summarize the key points in a post on X was insufficient in conveying the true intent.>Moving forward, I will take the utmost care in editing and managing content. I sincerely hope for your understanding.See?You /a/ idiots were just cherry-picking parts of her statement and twisting them.APOLOGIZE.
>>282308323Ironic, since this culture war thread would fit perfectly there.
>>282308257While art should not be censored, this is a forum. It's not a social media account where I think you should have the right to post whatever you want. The topic and terms of discussing the topic on this forum are set by a moderator, and if you're exceeding the terms you get banned. Oh, but don't let that stop you from posting waifu butt holes, you jackass.
>絵だけど、未成年だぞ>working on a kirara adaptationYou think there is a bottom, and that you will eventually hit it and from that point onwards it will not get worse anymore but it simply does not exits, there's void that always goes deeper.
>>282308392ok then why she changed the scene then
>>282307897Anime is not art, therefore it should not have nudity
>>282308393It's his post style, not his content (or lack thereof). Culture wars are also unrelated to /v/. So you are also a tourist even in /v/.
>>282303286Is just the usual discord, not much you can do about it, just try to not give up, real people will read your posts.
>>282308486>Anime is not artNo, I was wrong. You're full book burner. >>>/out/
>>282308393This is about twisted adaptation. If you see culture wars in it, you are one of them.
>>282303962People cared a lot, but without evidence there was nothing you could do, now there's evidence.
>>282306755>because this entire controversy has nothing to do with censorship in the first place. Anime making changes to its source material to appeal to specific audiences or to comply with broadcasting laws is nothing newI would argue that's exactly what censorship is, but you got the other points right. This is just a performative culture war thing. Majority of people here do not care about Bocchi or try to understand why these chances were made, and would normally dismiss the show as seasonal slop or reddit meme show. It's meaningless, more so in the context that angry twitter posts won't change the scene or the industry standards.
>>282308392The damage control is beginning already, huh
>>282308553>Majority of people here do not care about BocchiWay to out yourself as a tourist
>>282308605Way to out yourself as a bocchi general poster
>>282308640>1735 man generalftfy newfriend
>>282308088>If they were like this woman, what they would have done instead was not only completely remove all cigarettes because "what if little Takeshi thinks smoking is cool" or "well I PERSONALLY find depictions of smoking in fiction distasteful", then they would have bragged about how the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was only ever popular because they removed the cigarettes, and then (You) would cheer it on because Araki was a hack anyway and she was the one who made it good and if you wanted to see cigarettes you should just go read the manga, or go buy a pack or something.I never said that, though. Like, if people took issue with her bragging about it, sure, fair enough. Saying it's cesoreship is another thing.Also, personally, if I had my way, I'd rather have normalfags actually make an attempt to read the source material of the works they like to truly appreciate it. They should even go as far as learning Japanese if they care so much about authenticity.
>>282308488What is my post style, Retard-kun?Who cares if they are unrelated. If >50% of the board is filled engagement baiting twitter shit and mods don't care, then that is the board culture.>>282308535I'm seeing a lot of shitflinging, moral grandstanding and twitter screenshots/links. You can try to obfuscate but it doesn't work
>>282305347Jesus Christ, /a/ is dumb af. Bocchi the Rock built its reputation as a family-friendly show like Spy x Family, so of course Erika Yoshida’s statement got a lot of support in Japan. /a/ acting like this is a Hinako Note situation is retarded.
>>282305417one of the nip commentioned how he interpreted the scene has "bocchi wear a swimsuit in the bath because her anxiety stops her even from seeing her own body naked on the mirror"but then turns out it was just censorship and she was naked anywayif you truly care about the character, these things matter
>>282308088How did Index get away with it?This guy is canonically 14 years old.
>>282308665Why were you ignoring my post?>>>282306979Stop being disingenuous.
>>282305205>>282305628This is how the current western situation started by the way, is just fun to see the japanese always being behind these topics, even for this.>nobody forced us!>few years later>ok we were forced BUT
>>282308392How exactly does that make anything better?
>>282308605People shit on Bocchi a ton, unironically lurk more
>>282308666>twitter links = culture warsYou are poisoned by this website.
>>282308553There's a difference between having your hand forced by forces from above and doing something out of moralfaggotry. The former is annoying but understandable, the latter has always been detested by this board.
>>282299698>they wouldn't be defending the changes if the changes were actually significant and changed the character or story>got em!!1Wow you're retarded
>>282308730no u
>>282308753It's still not working, normalfag.
>>282308730Can your lies be less obvious?
>>282299747Sure sure, the counterargument...?
>>282308730rare csm fan?
>>282308392>I could agree that such elements are unnecessary (noise) for conveying the themes of the work *Bocchi the Rock!*is the anime having color "necessary"? Is the voice acting "necessary"? Is it being set in japan "necessary"? Are the characters not being talking squares and triangles "necessary"? Is Yuta Onda stealing oxygen from starving african children "necessary"?
>>282303306The truth is that no one really has ideals they truly believe in anymore. It's whatever will completely heckin own the chuds/trannies depending on which side they are on.
>>282308918Ask the same about all the details that change in every fucking adaptation.
>>282308754>The former is annoying but understandableIt's not understandable tho, it's crazy you play this soft defense for corporate entities who make all their decisions extremely cynically, and then proceed to pretend some retard on an artistic field is the real evil because she has an authentic yet arguably dumb take on some random thingLike this is so much drama about literally nothing that's also entirely focused on the wrong things
>>282308851I like Bocchi but sadly it's true
>>282308978NTA but you are also playing a soft defense for the screenwriter
>>282309043In the context of being compared to actual institutions of fucking course
>>282308976Changes that are made when adapting to a different format aren't the same as the screenwriter arbitrarily deciding to remove something because she personally finds it distasteful. I really shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Explaining why things are like they are is not defense.
>>282308976Come on now.
>>282309086Nah, adaptations changes things around all the time because the anime staff doesn't like certain things in the source. Sometimes this becomes a scandal, other times nobody cares.
>>282309081Greater evil does not make lesser evil good.
>282309101Very dishonest, saying something is annoying but understandable vs spending the entire thread arguing against something which you describe "detestable" is pretty transparent no matter how you spin it
>>282309128Most of the time it's impossible to truly find out the reason for a change unless some retarded staff member proudly boasts about it in public.
>>282309153Why are you turning everything into schizo shit?>>282309159Which happened now, while before nobody gave a shit. I don't even disagree that her attitude is fucking shit.
>>282309151Of course not, but spending all your energy whining about the lesser evil while dicklessly submitting to another makes you look like a hypocrite
>>282309191Yes? Now that people have the full context, they're pissed about it? What exactly is the confusion here?
>>282309191>while before nobody gave a shitI remember lots of anons giving a shit back when it aired. Heck, I'm the guy that made the comparison pictures showcasing the changes back then.
>>282309191>while before nobody gave a shitwhy lie
>>282309081Retarded dichotomy. This person is an ideologue operating under the service of an institution (academic feminism).
>>282309191>Why are you turning everything into schizo shit?Directly pointing out what you said is now schizo shit, got it
>>282298413>if 1% of extremists do something, he fears anime culture could collapseYou heard the call to violence boys. We must become big tiddy extremists. Gib milkies or else!
>>282309191>while before nobody gave a shitBro, you can't do this here, just go to your usual places.
>>282308978I'm speaking in the context of the creatives themselves. Doing something retarded because you were forced to and doing something retarded out of your own volition are of different culpabilities.
>>282309223You can condemn all three instead of wording it that way.
I have come up with a plan of action. We should all buy "Bad Girl" blu-rays to show there is support for fanservice in Kirara anime.
>>282309315Now this is a shill post.
>>282309315Sorry anon I dropped the manga 1 chapter in. The author needs to work on the scripting or just draws cute girls without chat bubbles.
>>282309086>screenwriter arbitrarily deciding to removeNTA but you are fucking retarded. If she never made that statement, y’all wouldn’t be malding. This whole thing is tame af. In other anime adaptations, they just cut whatever they think is “unnecessary” (same case with Bocchi), but without being transparent about it. They just do it, and the audience has no way of knowing why something got removed.
>>282309315no, the girl with a big mole is ugly.
>>282309399>Yes, the heckin' feminists on the twitter are the real enemy,Unironically.> just forget about everything else and buy your Kadokawa©℗®™ flavored Bocchi water, goyYou're a schizo.
>>282309295>I just work here bro
>>282298413Feminist garbage
'Noise' huh.'Unnecessary', 'useless', 'garbage', 'disgusting'.... many words, none quite fit or had the ring to it. Its certainly been used before, but I suppose this'll cement and ingrain itself proper from now on."Fan service is noise. We can do without it." The anime MO of today.At any rate, you should try browsing Japanese X some more. They've got entire battles with 'pork bowls' ( feminists ) and 'cheegyu' ( incels, translated as it were ) going on, and its only been intensifying.In around 5-10 years, they'll enter today's America.
I think it's really telling how manufactured this outrage is when no one is bitching about her previous works nor are they able to find any other show that she censored, let alone apply significant changes
>>282299766MiA must live rent free in this woman's head
>>282309415>audience has no way of knowingWe know. It's just unaccusable.
>>282309399Why do this whole gay irony spiel when the screenwriter is literally a self-identify feminist activist? Because activism isn't actually artistry and you're stuck in an awkward position, I suppose.
>>282309429Imagine being this mad at just meaningless shit and still fully convinced you're fighting against censorship somehow
>>282309415People make comparison between manga and anime all the time here
>>282309415People were already mad in the first place about the fact that the show was censored at all, you can look through the archives for evidence of that. Now that she DID make that statement, it gives new context to that censorship in an extremely negative way, which makes people mad more. There is absolutely nothing hypocritical or difficult to understand about this. So much for anti-censorship people have no nuance, the bootlickers don't even understand the definition of nuance.
>>282309300Yet he didn't, curious
>>282309415Exactly, she could put a drop of piss in my drink and I wouldn't be malding because I didn't know, but now that she told me she put a drop of piss in my drink, it's perfectly reasonable for me to mald.
>>282309463She didn't censor yaoi stuff that's for sure.
>>282300173You need to go back
>>282309595average fujo feminist behaviour
>>282309595You know how many memes the Japanese have about twitter feminists who get butthurt at all sexy women then look the other way when its sexy men?
>>282309595Problematic. I want to censor this.
>>282309453That's it.I am calling middle east right now, we need a worse 9/11 but in homofornia. we cant let those bastards poison the world anymore.
>>282309595so this is what she wants 5 year old boys to watch...
>>282309502The writer could be literally Satan and she still wouldn't be the actual issue when it comes to censorship in anime. You're a smart guy so you can move past your seethe at twitter politics and realize this
>>282298413>She's ruining anime!!!>Works on one moderately popular show and pretty much nothing elseLol, crybaby
>>282309734This
>>282309595no way she actually worked on this, right...? That's hilarious, so she's just a jealous degenerate lol
>>282309734A person can influence the whole world.
>>282309783Her name is at the highlighted episode.
>>282309814yeah see it now, this is amazing
How is the nipple this powerful
>>282309605What a fucking shithole that entire site is.
>>282309605>Sexy Tanaka-san controversy>(which ended in suicided)Someone give me qrd on this
>>282310027Shamefully stolen from Wikipedia>On January 26, 2024, Ashihara, the creator of the original manga, wrote on her blog stating that NTV did not uphold their condition of keeping the television drama adaptation faithful to the manga, citing several scenes that were cut and changes in characterization. While Ashihara was unable to speak with Aizawa and the directors personally, the first seven episodes followed the manga's plot while she wrote the scripts for the final two episodes after the proposed ending for the drama was changed. Ashihara later deleted the blog post. Following her death on January 29, NTV released a statement the same day saying that they followed protocol by consulting with her and that she approved the script. NTV later apologized and announced that it would conduct an internal investigation into the matter. The results of that investigation were released in June, concluding that due to miscommunication between Shogakukan and NTV, none of Ashihara's conditions for adaptation faithfulness and script rewrites were conveyed to the production staff at NTV. In July, NTV issued new guidelines for live-action productions, internal communications, and human resources to address the issues found during the investigation.
It says terrible things about the board that threads like this will always reach the bump limit
>>282310136These threads are very clearly coordinated beforehand, I wonder if Hiro knows that their aim is ultimately to turn the website into hostile ground for the advertisers that support it.
>>282310027>Live action adaption changed everything>Tons of bad reviews>Author killed herself (age 50)>Turns out the live action screenwriter gave 0 shit about the author or the manga
>>282298413How many more times do the "schizos" have to be right before you realize the ones calling them "schizos" are the problem?
>>282310234I don't know about coordinated, it could be just OP being a fag
>>282298413I don't give a shit about what anons on 4chan are saying. do nips care about this or not?
>>282308267kill yourself tourist
The change isn't exactly to my liking, but the explanation made sense and I don't know why so many people pretend to care
>>282310136it's a thread about the current, and the possible future, state of anime, what do you have against it? Don't like it when people are allowed to say mean things about people you agree with?
>>282310334>if I don't care that must mean everyone else is pretending to!fuck off retard
>>282309463I think it's really telling how you cucks call every backlash you don't like "manufactured".
>>282310315Yes, there's a lot of buzz about it since yesterday. Even some other authors weighing in on it too.
>>282309595Someone post that screenshot of people saying fanservice is bad but the same people saying bear rape is the best.
>>282310234Well, I guess I don't know about advertisers these days. Industry for sure though, and the invested users that prop it all up.
>>282310356No it just seems very few people are actually mad about the anime
>>282309415retard people have been shitting on the anime for nerfing the manga material since it came outthis just affirmed what they were angry about it
>>28231031539 million people cares
>>282310315Yes ignore any shitposting moron saying this is some manufactured /a/ thingNip social media is on fire over this
>>282310464All of those people agree with her btw you don't speak Japanese btw
>>282310499actually all me with alt accounts
>>282306400I bet she wants him to only watch Precure and then not watch Rider and Sentai.If the little kid wants to watch all those shows then that's okay.If the little kid wants to only watch sentai or rider that's okay too.If the little kid wants to only watch Precure then that's also fine.Parents that try to control too much of their children's tastes end up being hated when they turn old.
>>282309191retard alert
>>282310234Yes anon, it's all just a giant conspiracy.
So there's a 100% chance of Hackmazi running damage control for her golden goose, right?
>>282309453The solution to this problem is incredibly banal. Just stop fucking with stuff aimed at men. Stop hiring activists with egos that demand they have to fuck with the work of others. Stop staging monthly "controversies" over some ecchi manga existing in some basement somewhere or some gacha game having an ad on a train. Stop manufacturing pretenses for censorship and stop demanding "zoning" for stuff that's already almost zoned out of existenceNone of the above will stop though, because activist, ideologues and academics have humongous egos and they MUST fuck with harmless 2D culture. Japs love worshipping the west so they will get the same cultural degradation that west has received.
>>282310499Why would you do that? Going on the internet and lie?
>>282310234What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>282310136>>282310234Ok sure, your counterargument...?
>>282310586>muh activistsYou're talking out of your schizo mind, so none of this has to do with reality, and consequently can't be applied in reality.
>>282310647To what?
>>282310464holy fuck, this is huge. great, positively speaking about censoring someone else's work should be shunned
>>282310234Wow this comment is generating a lot of "Buzz"
>>282310749I am living in your walls.
Anus.
>>282310793This image isn't 4 year old friendly.
I've been asking for the true Bocchi for centuries and you all ignored me, now is time, release the true Bocchi!
>>282298413>Even if 99% of people are fine, if 1% of extremists do something, she fears anime culture could collapse.>destroys anime culture to "save" anime culturewoman logic
>>282310325Get a new script.
>>282308267This
>>282310464Noooo its just a fringe schizo that no one cares aboutNo one in Japan cares about this, no one in Japan is talking about this, it's not a major issueJust stop making threads about it, stop noticing censorship, you just want to be a culture war grifter youtuber nooooooo
>>282311387This but ironically
>>282309595>She didn't censor yaoi stuffBocchi the rock isnt hentai anon
Based. Sexualization of minors are problematic and big issue in japan
>>282303962I cared, which is why I didn't give this anime the time of day.
>>282300173>As indicated by her comments, the original author agreed and cooperatedit's overAki Hamazi fine with censorship and feminism>>282310596>Why would you do that? Going on the internet and lie?lol, lmaopicrel"別に原作者が嫌な思いしてなきゃ良いんじゃないか？原作者と協議の上だろうし所詮アンタが不愉快に思ったというだけにすぎないんだよな"
>>282305238Her arguments are the same ones used to justify payment processor censorship.
>>282311736Not sameBocchi is not porn anime like >>282309595
>>282311732You retards always have to escalate and exaggerate, because social media outrage is the only thing you have learned in your miserable zoomer life.
>>282311732You think you're proving anything by posting a screenshot of a single guy approving the changes?
>>282311482>Bocchi the rock isnt hentai anonNeither is Tiger and Bunny.
>>282310958they have camera shutter sounds on their phones so make sense tho
>>282311789That isn't a porn anime retard.
>>282311835>ok but what does one guy mean>ok but what does 50 guys mean>ok but what does a thousand guys meanEtc
>>282311881That's something that should be done worldwide.
>>282311917>50 guys>thousand guysWell? I'm waiting you fucking faggot!
it seems a lot of people have been mad about the swimsuit bath scene ever since its airing
>>282312115Ok but what does 1 + 12 そうだねs mean
>>282312115>only flawA true fan.
>>2823101362chan has had even more 1000-post threads about this
>>28231046439 million people saw it10k people care
>>282311917The most viewed comment at 20 million views is someone calling the script writer out for using the word "noise", especially considering she's only the person adapting it
>>282312144相槌?
>>282308485>why she changed the scene thenBocchi is still minor
Been seeing quite a few comparisons to Ruri no Houseki.Yes, they don't consider it censored but rather made more erotic as a whole, since they look at the big picture. The manga never had any more fanservice after those few early chapters with the forced pantyshots.
>>282312606So the opposite of pantyschizo?LOL
>>282312419She was a minor in the manga too
>>282312606Ruri is a rather rare case where, despite panties being censored, the adaptation is arguably more erotic.
>>282299542Naruto and Sasuke had a kiss in the first episode, then they ended in a gay relationship with comcubines for reproduction.
https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20250915213256interesting thread
Hiroi's alcoholism is PROBLEMATIC!
