Do you agree with Torishima on Toyo being shit, Super being shit, Daima being shit, and an Vegeta centric product being better than both?
>>282325525Yup. I supposed I misjudged him.
I think it's okay to let 40 year old IPs die
Who would give Goku the best head?
>>282325525didn't know the editor was a based bejitabro
>>282325550your mum
>>282325525yes, yes, yes, and no. i would love a story set in the Dragon Ball universe that follows someone other than Goku, but i can't see Vegeta going off on an adventure by himself. it would need to be a U6 spin-off or something, with occasional guest appearances by characters from the original series.agreeing with Torishima feels weird because i still hate this nigga's guts for saying Dragon Ball is vapid, meaningless slop. he's right about Toyo, Daima, and most of DBS being fucking disasters, though.
>>282325550That much tranny bussy gonna make him go ape.
>>282325525Isn't he the huge bejitafag who made Toriyama spare bejita and add him to the cast in the first place?
>>282325677>i can't see Vegeta going off on an adventure by himselfIt wouldn't just be "himself," it'd just be Vegeta-centered. You could do a lot with that. A Vegeta and Trunks story. A Vegeta and Universe 6 story. A Vegeta and Frieza story.
>>282325525A story about the Saiyans is objectively interesting. The entire Frieza empire was cool in the sense that squads of elite fighters go out to conquer entire worlds.
>>282325729i would buy every issue of a story about Vegeta, his son, and Future Trunks. make my dawg canon.
>>282325525He's right. Dragon Ball doesn't do anything interesting with Goku's character anymore. That time he was at his most interesting was the Android Saga, because his character arc concluded on Namek so he took a backseat and assumed the role as a mentor for Gohan. These days, he only gets scraps of development or nice moments like new forms or him teaming up with Freeza.Vegeta gets all the good shit like interesting dialogues, cute moments with Bulma on top of new forms.
>>282325525I agree and I like Torishima, he's a stubborn mule but an honest one too. Most editors nowadays would just sugarcoat the flaws in their stuff. He was never like that, he tells people straight up what he doesn't like and you can either get mad and cry or go fix it. It's a good mindset to give to your mangaka in Japan imo
>>282325525His job was specifically to shit on other people's works. He isn't capable of writing a story himself. You have to acknowledge that.
>>282326320the point of critics is to point out the weakness so one can improve
>>282325525>SHITjita story>It's just about him jobbing all the time and getting cucked.
Heroesbros... why did it have to end before their turn...
>>282325525yes
Vegeta genociding planets with Nappa backstory please
>>282325525BASED Bejitabro
>>282325525They tried it with Gohan and almost immediately went back to Goku.
>>282325525yes. fuck all the nu balls, gimme a story about vegeta's life under freeza's boot or something, leading a band of saiyans, conquering planets, fighting fierce opposition and coming up on top. fuck all the rainbowy super saiyan+ nonsense.>>282326583this.
>>282325525They should make a spinoff about Goku Black and Greenmasu's genocide adventure before and just after visiting Trunks.One of the final episodes showing how SHITren jobbed to Baseku Black. Which he did btw.
Slice of life comedy where Frieza moves in next to Vegeta and Bulma and harassed them by doing donuts on his lawn
>>282325525Agreed.
>>282325525everyone knows that super is shit, it was from its very first moment. gt wasn't particularly great, and it still was better than super.
>>282325525What's with all the thinkpiece threads lately
>>282325525He's right. Everyone loves Bejita.
>>282325550Go go ackman have newhalf opponents.
>>282325819Her too.
>twitter Normalfags, youtuber e-celebs, Daima fakefans shills and Gokufags are mad about Torishima's commentsLmaoThis is how you know he is right.
It's over...
>>>/int/214958460um... SHITgon SHIT bros?
>>282326357yes, but toriyama never let torishima write the story. he just made sure to bend his writing to satisfy his whims enough. torishima's criticism is at most to change the course of the story, the artist still has to make it up on his own.
base Z movie 8 Broly:>quite and reserved without much to say due to torture from his father's punishing control device. domesticatedtransformed Z movie 8 Broly:>free from the device and thus his psychopathic nature is free as well. full of personality and demonic anti-life psychopathic characteristics that are accompanied by similarly anti-life lines and dialogue. kills his own father and torments and tortures the helpless and weak. mocks and disrespects other fighters.Z movie 10 Broly:>Kakarot! Kakarot! Kakaaaaarot!!Bio Broly:>agghhhhh!base Super Broly:>quite and reserved without much to say. a domesticated lonely Tarzantransformed Super Broly:>agghhhhh!
>>282325525Torishima says many things.
>>282328762He is rightHe is always right like all VegetaCHADS
>>282328762He's not wrong though is he? That shit ending has permanently stained AoT and its prospects of being 'One of the greats', no one gives a fuck.
>They invite Torishima to interviews and talks only for him to shit talk them and the franchiseKek behavior but kinda funny.
>>282328899>>282328877BANPRESTO ever make games again?
>>282328762SOK ending never good
Dragon Ball is strangely the one series I can think of where it'd be better off without the original author involved. DB evolved past it's origins into a full battle shounen but Toriyama just wanted to keep writing gag shit and hell, I like dumb Jap gag stuff myself but there's a time and place for it. I think the Buu Saga did an... alright job balancing things. There was a lot of gags but they generally added something to the plot in the form of power ups (like the Fusion Dance or Elder Kai dancing like a dumbass) so even if people didn't find them funny there was still some tangible result people could get from them. But with Super and Daima Toriyama just wanted to write stupid gags for the sake of it and it didn't really work. Monaka is probably the worst fucking thing in all of Super; he's not funny, adds nothign and there's no payoff.
>>282325525what a shit editor. he should know that toriyama never liked vegeta and it was toriyama who did daima
>Trunks strong enough to hurt the STRONGEST form of baby>Goten confirmed on par with Trunks>Gohan confirmed stronger than Goten and TrunksYup. Meanwhile >>282319872 Pan can't even GRAZE a weaker form of baby with her full power. What a fucking jobber.
>>282329871Almost like he thinks the mangaka doesn't always know best, which is what an editor is for. Hmm.
True Only Bejita can save this franchise from the failures called Gokek, Shitly and FlophanThey did so much damage to the series post-ToP
>>282329871>Toriyama made daipaSo what? It is still a total flop and shit.
>>282325677A spinoff would be shit too if it was made by the same people that created Super. The main problem with DBS was how bad its execution was.
>>282329993Not only VegetaYou know what we need? A R-rated movie about Frieza
yo love a bejita
>>282325525TRVTH NVKE
>>>/v/720900972
>>282325859>These days, he only gets scraps of development or nice moments like new forms or him teaming up with Freeza.It'd be nice if it was just that, but Goku regressed back into being a massive retard in modern Super and forgot things he already knew, like how he needed Whis to tell him that bulking up will hinder his speed, even though he already figured that out on his own in the Cell Arc. If any new Dragon Ball story will be made in the future, I wonder how they'll treat Goku's character without Toriyama's contribution.
>>282325550>female deku over 1000yep
>>282330372Play hyper dbz arcade now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNRw7qsoBBYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEp4j32EZwshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YDfNwsw1ds
>>282330413I want have sex with male Lucy
>>282330413>naruko over 2000yep yep
This suck…
>>282325525Incredibly based, damn.
>>282329009>That shit ending has permanently stained AoT and its prospects of being 'One of the greats', no one gives a fuck.I think it's funny that Goku flying off with a random brown boy is still better than the vast majority of shonen endings, is it really that hard writing an ending that doesn’t piss people off these days?
>>282330570Not my precious cartoons!
>>282325525Why the fuck haven’t they done a Sadala arc or movie yet?
>>282329131He's very honest in a culture that walks on eggshells in public. It was what was needed to helm the JUMP meatgrinder, especially in it's most ruthless era. Even when he was no longer directly in charge of editing, he read every series published in jump weekly until the day he left and made his opinions known.
>>282325525Isn't Torishima the guy that absolutely wanted Goku to end with Bulma?
>>282328762He's right.
>>282325819nigga looks like a shadow the hedgehog dragon ball oc>>282327770bitch look like a zesty gohan
I don't want a Vegeta story. But I also don't want this endless children's slop that began with BoG and only started to disappear before Diapa.Id give anything for something with a tone comparable to the Cell Saga again
>>282331162All of Dragon Ball is children's stuff
>>282331087He hasn’t read Dragon Ball Sai
Goku...
>>282325525Sorta, the vegeta parts of Moro and granolah were interesting because he actually abilities that were pure powerlevel and doing something goku wasn't but ended up getting cucked in end.
>>282331750In DB Multiverse, Chi-Chi should been Android 18.
>>282325547Like everyone else i love db but putting out straight trash for the sake of making money or keeping something "alive" is plain embarrassing.
>>282331609You and I both know that there is a clear difference between Z childishness and Super childishness
>>282325525Yes. But I would have missed your faggot threads.
>>282325677>Dragon Ball is vapid, meaningless slopWhy hate him for that? He just frorgot the words 'iconic' and 'fun' otherwise he's right on that too.
>>282332186Z have blood while Super doesn’t.
My sister admitted to me yesterday she used to self insert as chichi to be with Goku and that she found Goku quite handsome. Her favorite looking DB character is currently Goten.
>>282332497Your sister is based.
>>282332075Carrotroon look like that.
>>282333359Funny.
>>282325525That's the stupidest idea ever.
>>282325525I do not agree. Bejita's character said everything he could when he understood why Goku was still superior (the "Number One" speech), same with the other characters (Goku, Piccolo, Krillin, etc.). If you want to continue DragonBall, the safest way is using the new characters (Goten, Trunks, and even Gohan) with the old ones being in a mentor role, like it was for Muten in the early chapters.
>>282334090Nopan?
>>282325525Would it be too much for Vegeta to be the hero for at least one arc? I honestly thought it was lame how it was always Goku with the one exception being made for his son.
DRAGONBALL ended in '95.
DRAGONBALL restarted in ‘96.
DRAGONBALL had an action role-playing game called Buus Fury for the Game Boy Advance in 2004
>>282333333what a waste of good digits
>>282325525>Toyo being shitHis art is really amatuerish yeah. The Bardock parts of Granolah felt like bad fanfiction too.>Super being shitEh, I'm more impartial than most. It had some huge flaws but I think Super's success speaks for itself.>Daima being shitYeah Daima was bad, its flaws were just more subtle than Super's. No stakes, Demon Realm wasted, villains were just paranoid retards, and ends rehashing GT with SS4 instead of making its own identity.>an Vegeta centric product being better than both?I see the potential for that. I don't know about a whole show but a movie surely would have been a better investment than Daima.
>>282336159>that titlekek
just make a successor to the Universe 7 Saga already, we don't need a dozen spinoffs jesus it's not that complicated.
>>282333593It always hinges on krillin, the KEEPER of the PRINCE.
>melting again
>>282337293You sure are, and man! Is the prince yummy!
>>282337094They didn't tank this btw.
>>282337674Cope, Frieza came to the realization if he tried to finish them, GODku would teleport them away and return fuzed in 30 seconds, resigning Frieza to immediate death. That's why Frieza ran away right after.
Here's an idea faggots. Stop making new shit for this IP and fans need to stop wanting new shit from it. Nothing new should have been made after Buu.
No, we need moreDragon Ball is eternal
>>282325525"vegeta story" as in what , a prequel or sequel , idk if a lone vegeta sequel can work , hes too obnoxious to be the sole protagonists
>>282338153At least we'll always have Multiverse, the supreme continuity to DBZ, if only it was adapted to an anime...
>>282338232It's a 10 hours of bejita acting like a psychopath and shooting weak women and children of all races and ethnicities and getting plowed by the master.
>>282325525I would like to see other characters have their own small mini arcs. I think this would be the best moment to try and mix up things by having them pair up in weird combinations.I've always thought the wish during the ToP should have been to fuse all the universes together, that could give so many story opportunities, I don't know, Tenshinhan and Piccolo helping the Pride Troopers, or Ribrianne rewarding U7 for their win by trying to recruit 18.
Ok, since this is the new talking point:Post your Vegeta story idea>Movie or Manga/Anime arc>Sequel, prequel or alternate timeline story>Plot>Antagonists a>Powerups
>>282335249Play nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhPiMuBFH4
>>282338437What if story where he kills Goku the first time around, destroys earth, then repeatedly shoots himself until he's stronger than Frieza and takes over the galaxy.
>>282328762
>>282338437How do Vegeta mother look?
>Squadra servers are down
>>282338582Duranki was more interesting read than Berserk "3D" slop
>>282325525he threw toriyama many curve balls and clearly had a conflicting vision.
finger
>>282328762>>282338582This guy is 100% right
>>282339073-bomb of Nappa
Vegeta is gay. Gib Piccolo instead.
>>282338437>Goku, Vegeta, and Broly are all training on Beerus's planet>Broly powers up hard and turns SS3 for the first time>Goku congratulates him and also turns SS3 for training>Broly asks Vegeta why he doesn't use the form too>Vegeta starts seething and yells he doesn't need that outdated form, then storms off>Vegeta asks Whis for some private training>Whis instead suggests Vegeta go to a planet that's been suffering from a very powerful dictator, he's been pestering Beerus about it but he doesn't care>Vegeta is sent to this planet, it's actually planet yardrat>the dictator is a wizard that stole the yardrats' techniques, and they give Vegeta a lot of trouble>Vegeta trains with the yardrats to beat the dictator, and the ki control training they gave him finally lets him turn SS3>he goes back to Goku and Broly to show it off>Goku tells Vegeta he's about to have his mind blown>Broly powers up again and this time turns SS4>movie ends with Vegeta screaming
>>282339574
I can't believe Gohan chose Videl over Erasa.
>>282337512>delusionalCouldn't even beat a fake Vegeta in filler until he lost Vegeta's power. Kek.
>>282339935monkeys like to be treated badly
>>282338384>filler slop>hiding behind the gay lizard who did similar things
>>282338718What is this image supposed to represent exactly?
>>282338718I want femVegeta's bare ass on my face, and no one else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msoTj_H-Hpw
>>282340287He drew Vegeta silly. Pwned I guess.
>>282340337Yes he is strangely insecure about people perceiving Vegeta as cool which is something that will never change.
>>282325550A toss up between Naruto and Tanjiro. Naruto probably has a good rotation technique down and could even use clones to go for a double oral, Tanjiro's breathing technique on the other hand could allow him to go on longer before needing air
>>282340211He had to spend a decent bulk of his strength to immobilize nappa, if he had that 2-3k extra power level, amplified with the kaioken he would've beat bejita easily.
>>282342618She's just a late bloomer.
>>282342618GeminiGODS...
Tenshinhan? A Hero in These Halls.
>>282343447
>>282339935Pigtails Videl > Erasa >>>>>> short hair/ponytail Videl
KakarotI'm dying KakarotYou have to take care of Bulma KakarotSexually I mean
>>282343378Role model!
>>282325525This guy is such an asshole I hope someone actually punches him in the face.
>>282343910Gotenks in FighterZ thinks Tien is cool so Gotenks likely did train with Tien to learn the kikoho. ToyoGODo's lore is great.
>>282343910>Goten wants to be different from his father>Goes through all of his old rivals and trains under them>Learns the kikohoWould be kino to the extreme.>>282344008Screenshot?
>>282344062https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAvUfE6twU
>>282344082Alright I really like these two as a duo. That was cool.
>>282325525Torishima Sama...
Ultra SS4 soon.
>>282345057SSGSS3-4xUI has to be endgame, right?
>>282345234¡Dios mío!
>>282345234But could he defeat Black Cooler
>>282343638Kame Pan have her pigtails
>>282345319>>282345234>>282345057Is this canon? I have to call over my whole familia! Ay carumba!>>282345372Ok real talk can you stop advertising that here? You and the multiversetroon.
>>282345234he's slowly turning into Sonic the Hedgehog
>>282345234>>282345057>>282345319Weak.THIS is true power.
>>282345637Jobs to base Goku with a hand behind his back.
>>282345637https://youtu.be/75FuGchVQ5w
Poder Prohibido SSJ5 Beast Gohan > all of fiction
My wife spends more time with Jaco than me...
>>282345817KEKlin... You're pathetic.
MY SKIN IS BIOLOGICAL…
>>282325525yeah nah I ain't watching series about this egocentric balding bitch
>>282345917Would DESTROY Nuly btw.
>>282345999Trips of trvth nvke
>>282345319>>282345637What's up with all this purple? Did someone revive Prince? Someone giving out lots of magic... purple things?
>>282346034Why is he stinking?
>>282325525Only if it mirrors the original DB and is about kid Vegeta having adventures and entering martial art tournaments.
Are we going to get Moro and Granola before Nozawa passes?
>>282346549July 2019
17 is my boyfriend
https://youtu.be/A-cWhGvs1jY?si=s6HhV0JV2wgKmi2lThis is the absolute pinnacle of Dragon Ball and this absolute kino will never be surpassed btw
>>282346799Android 18...
>>282325525Is this the guy who complained about USA wokeness affecting the gender selection in recent Dragon Quest games?
>>282345917Saint F. Uta (One Piece)
>>282346912>Is this the guy who complainedyes
>>282346549
>>282346834Peak Dragon Ball>Goku vs Jackie Chun >Red Ribbon Army Arc>Yamcha vs Tenshinhan >Goku vs Tenshinhan>Demon King Piccolo from start to end>Goku vs Piccolo Jr>Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz>Goku vs Nappa and Vegeta>Namek from start to end>Trunks killing Mecha Freeza>Vegeta vs 18>Gohan vs Cell>Vegito vs Super Buu>Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu>Battle of Gods>Goku vs Jiren 1>Goku vs Kefla >Goku vs Jiren 2
>>282325525But you have a character that could compete with Goku already without being as written as much as Vegeta has been already.He even has his own universe.
>shitren
>>282326897>alt universe TrunksThat could work.
>>282343910I was about to say>what if there was a Pan spinoffBut then I remembered GT exists and it was awful.
>>282330413He gets so much kek.Though much more yaoi.
>>282328762Eh, SnK is kinda iconic in retrospect now. Up there with GitS or Cowboy Bebop at least.Not DBZ though.
>>282347175only because the ending is so comically bad that made the series an eternal meme
>>282346298What GT arc should been.
>>282346799Suno…
>>282345428[annoying your post]
A Jiren movie would be the biggest flop in film history
Android 17 is so lucky...
What are things Super manga does better than Super anime?
>>282325525>muh Bejita slice of life marriage story
>SnK is kinda iconic in retrospect now. Up there with GitS or Cowboy Bebop at leastStart running.
>>282328762Never thought I find myself agreeing with a bejitafag.
>>282329835>I can think of where it'd be better off without the original author involvedI notice you ignore GT which would sink your whole argument
>>282347666GT was... GOOD
GT was good after the first 17 episodes of whatever it was
>>282347577kek
>>282325550Funny how Gon, Allen, Claire, Nube, Kenshiro, Gintoki, Dai, the cast of Skip Beat, Cobra, Light, Kinnikuman, Arale, Toriko, Ryo, Momotaro, Seiya, Kenshin, Dark Schneider, Maeda, Ai, Sakuragi, Yusuke, The Kochikame guy, Kuga, all the Jojos up to part 6, and Denji aren't even there. I guess they were too good to show up. Unless Denji is the blonde woman on the far left.I didn't count Kira or Bobobo because Kira is a Shinigami and can't serve Goku and Bobobo is too Chad for WSJ.
>>282347570Kinda liked how UI was something like the culmination of all the masters Goku trained under.
>>282340221That explains why they're so diabolical and the memes about Goku not being a hero.
>>282339935as far as we know Erasa doesn't have a rich father
>>282347770>>282347863GT was good if "good" actually means BAD
>>282346847That would make 17 a Nissan.
>>282339935Sayians like assertive women
I'd like to see Torishima's reaction to Kakumei
>>282348399The first chapter was cool only cause they were fighting across space. As soon as it went to U6 Planet vegeta it became shit
>>282348464the only thing that really pissed me off was wasting an entire chapter with a fight between 2 OCs
>>282348399>What the fuck is this? Exposed muscles? Are you trying to get young readers or scare them away? REJECTED!
Super Android 18?
>>282348584he seems to be out of touch enough to not know that the younger generation already lost all sensibility towards gore
>>282348604>BROWNdroid
Fucking THIS
>>282348366>Driving in my Truck, right after a beer
>>282348725That's an improvement.
>>282348884I support Saiyan masterrace
>>282332001Would our hero be smart enough to tell the difference between his wife and a soulless automaton?
>>282349244ki sense doesn't work on robots duh
>>282330413>Goku and Luffy They're female characters too? WTF
>>282348604>TANNEDdroid
Gokukeks, your time is upBejita will be the MC now
>>282325547SPBP
>>282348604Our gyaru cyborgs
>>282325525Is he technically the biggest authority regarding DB now that Toriyama is gone?
>>282348529I don't think I even made it that far
>>282351166I don't think he is even working with anything DB or Jump related currently.They just invite him to interviews and other talk stuff.
>>282351389I don't mean in the sense that he is the exec that decide what the future of the franchise will be, he was the person with the most creative input on DB after Toriyama in the original manga run
I started watching DBS with my papa and mama, and I can't believe how promising Battle of Gods and the early episodes were. Beerus and Whis are incredible characters, and at the same time threatening. It totally looks like a prologue to a series in which Goku will fight him at the end, or perhaps he'll get defeated by the true final villain like it happens to the rival/best friend/mentor in martial arts movies and Goku will have to avenge him. The promise is too fucking high, but I know Beerus was never relevant again in 12 fucking years. BoG happened in 2013 and Toriyama died in 2024, in all that time he just never did anything with Beerus. Also not just the cat. It felt like DBS was tailored to have its own Soul Society or Sanctuary saga, battling a group of 12 impossibly powerful deities, with a single one of them always being a massive threat that shakes reality and Goku would have to do a lot to slowly climb in strength and beat any of them. Seriously. They are never relevant again, Instead the fucking anime is spent mostly on 2 tournaments against filler characters from other universes but the GoDs don't do shit and aren't very cool starting with Champa being comic relief. Each GoD should have had as much aura as introduction Beerus, with a serious face and apocalyptic music playing whenever he stepped up. >>282325525Anyone with a brain should agree. I feel like in other words, he also thought Toei made Goku too fucking retarded so he'd rather a Vegeta anime if this is their new direction
>>282351435Probably.He managed to convince Toriyama to stop with the gagshit and focus on action and other things, who knows what the series would be without him. Probably wouldn't even exist.But imo, Kondo was the editor during the best arcs.Torishima was the spark, Kondo perfected the battle action era.
>>282351589the fact that every manga that Toriyama made after DB is gagshit and this interview he made tells a lot:https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-03-31/toriyama/became-disinterested-in-fighting-manga-during-dragon-ballBasically, he hated drawing fights despite the fact that he was the absolute best at doing it
Gt Gohan is so fucking hot
>>282346799Sakurada...
>>282325547Dragon Ball can't die or it'd affect the Japanese economy. I think Torishima said that
So how did Toyo get the job for the Super manga? He is a pretty bad comic artist
>>282351935Toriyama selected him
>>282351946Toriyama had brain damage after being exploited by Shueisha for so many years
>>282351935He can imitate Toriyama's artstyle (sorta), he can draw manga in a monthly schedule, he has his own ideas that even Toriyama approved and included in the plot, etc.Not perfect but It's hard to find someone else I guess.If they got a better and faster artist it would probably be someone with a different artstyle and that's risky, DBfans don't want things to change too much.
>>282351935there were few people making Dragon Ball mangas before the Resurrection F movie. most of it was for Heroes or SD. Then they wanted someone to draw a promotional manga for Resurrection of F and Toyotaro was selected. Then when the TV anime aired Toyotaro continued his work by drawing the Super manga.
>comick is killhold me bros
>>282347996If Goku is the king of shounen, Seiya is the prime minister or the most trusted advisor
>>282352131Saint Seiya will never be popular in America and Masami Kurumad is the king of hacks
>Goku = KingThen Luffy is the EMPEROR of Shonen and Ichigo is the GOD
>>282352131Saint Seiya is irrelevant outside of France and Mexico.You can't compare global phenomenon like Dragon ball with fujoshit like that.
>>282352040>He can imitate Toriyama's artstyle (sorta)Couldn't get the yamcha manga guy?
>>282352040Toriyama's artstyle is not that hard to mimic, what is hard to imitate is his godly paneling
>>282352147>>282352219Without Saint Seiya, your favorite show wouldn't exist or it'd be highly different. Even Dragon Ball took notes from Saint Seiya
>>282352297Nah, Toriyama based all of his shit from western and HK movies.
>>282352297It was the influence from Fist of the North Star that made DB drop the gag shit and become a pure battle manga.
>>282352271I had trouble on my Kimetsu reread. I don't know what happened for me to realize it, but the action is pretty much unreadable
>>282352348Jujutsu is just as bad if not worse, they both stroke gold with their anime adaptations
>>282352343>>282352334Kurumada revolutionized shounen before HnK with Ring ni Kakero. And Torishima said Toriyama to follow Saint Seiya by adding more drama and shit.
>>282347996yeah she has the starter
>>282352376too bad that Kurumada is so fucking autistic that he still draws and writes exactly like he did in the 70's because autists actively refuse to improve their craft(just look at how Chris chan still draws like a preschooler).
>>282352365Honestly most newer battle manga is like this. I don't even bother when Oda tries to do action with one piece in the recent chapters.
>>282352271Easy to have good panelling when the fight sequence is basic as fuck.Don't get me wrong Goku's abilities were dope in the 80s but throwing body shots and energy wave ain't it in 2025.Most shounens have developed may more advanced power systems since then and its way harder to convey. I would say Kishimoto's Naruto has the best modern panelling to date.
>>282352421That's another topic. To be fair, Kurumada admit Toriyama was more talented than him. Seiya is Kurumada's self-insert for a reason. He's not as talented as his peers but he had passion for the medium until he broke his hand
My wife hates me!!
>>282352482Narudo...
>>282352421Kurumada's art evolved with time. It's just that he's autistic so he excels at backgrounds, composition and mechanical designs but he can't draw humans. His art peaked in the 90s but he got old, overworked and broke his hand
>>282352524Are you aware that backgrounds are the part of the manga where assistants tend to have more input than the main artist?
>>282352376>And Torishima said Toriyama to follow Saint Seiya by adding more drama and shit.Source?
>>282352564His stinky ass
>>282352564idk, I read it years ago. But Toriyama liked Kurumada work, there's a quote easy to find
>>282352628Toriyama never ever commented on Saint Seiya. Torishima only commented about the anime of Saint Seiya being good to the point he asked those who worked on Saint Seiya to also work on the Dragon ball anime.
>>282352628He said that he liked the hotbloodness in Ring ni Kakero, that's all.
>>282352454the current Kinnikuman run is the only modern manga I know that has a decent fighting choreography that finds the perfect balance between physical combat and superpowers
>>282339935Why bitches like Gohan so much? He's an awkward nerd
>>282352454>ost shounens have developed may more advanced power systems since then and its way harder to conveyThen maybe having too complex super powers is not the way to go then
>>282352770This. The convoluted crap from JJK convinced me that less is more when it comes to power systems
>>282352348maybe it's easier to put up with weekly when you have time to look at and discuss each chapter, trying to just go through it in a batch makes the lack of flow stand out more
Toyotaro believes continuing Dragon Ball Super without Toriyama is possible if he wrote the story.Toyotaro's comments suggest a potential continuation of the series, providing hope for fans.There is anticipation for news from the Dragon Ball Super panel.Toyotaro Thinks It's Possible to Continue the StoryIn France, Toyotaro has finally spoken out about the potential return of Dragon Ball Super. Since March 2024, fans have been waiting for the story to enter a new arc. Following the announcement of Akira Toriyama's passing last year, Dragon Ball Super went on an indefinite hiatus. While this was sad news, most fans understood that Toyotaro needed a break.When a new chapter came out in February 2025, most expected the series to return to its regular serialization. The new chapter was a bonus story from the Super Hero Saga, which ended in the previous chapter. Unfortunately, the manga went on another indefinite hiatus, leading fans to worry if it will ever return.Toyotaro Thinks It's Possible to Continue the StoryAccording to the French account DBTimes, he stated that "it's not impossible" to continue Dragon Ball Super, as he was the one writing it. He would send his drafts to Toriyama, who approved or adjusted them (translation by Venixys):Toyotaro said that it's not impossible to continue without Toriyama-sensei, because it was he who wrote some of the story of Dragon Ball Super (Moro arc) and then sent it to Toriyama, who would approve or not. On other occasions, Toriyama would send his stories to Toyotaro(Granolah arc) so he could take a look and make suggestions. Then Toriyama would approve them again or not. Since one part of the story came from him, Toyotaro believes that continuing without Toriyama-sensei would be “not easy, but not impossible.”— DBTimes via VenixysKinda confirms that Moro was mostly just Toyo's doing and let's be honest Moro arc is way better than Granolah.
>>282352454>Easy to have good panelling when the fight sequence is basic as fuck.No, actually, it really isn't.
>>282352482Gokek...
>>282352863>Moro arc is way better than Granolah.Kek, no, all Toyo did was copy Piccolo Daimao, Frieza, Sayian and Cell arc into one. Granolah at least expands the lore, continues the growth of our characters and has the signature ending where Goku doesn't defeat the final villain. Also arrival of Black Frieza which is a clean set up for what is to come.
>>282325525GT setting was good but it has an awful execution
>>282352918Granolah arc was dog shit
>>282352918Granolah arc was just Goku and Vegeta fighting two faggots that made a wish. That shit was ass
>>282352863Iyoku is done with Super.He doesn't want it to come back
>>282352918>Also arrival of Black Frieza which is a clean set up for what is to comeIt's a boring setup, though. It wasn't even good the first time around with Golden Frieza.
>>282353009Honestly, this. Like how different is Black Frieza really going to be from Golden or Original?
>>282352561He doesn't know, Seiyafags are as deluded as ChainsawFags thinking their hack artists drew all those backgrounds, kek.
>>282352271>>282352348>>282352454Toriyama liked Black Clover for a reason, the paneling might be a bit basic, but it has the best sense of impact, scale and usage of speed lines out of any Jump manga from the past decade.
>>282353229Nah this shit don't look good.
>>282353266Toriyama liked it Mr. Manga Critic.
>>282353266Gonna disagree. At least it isn't swamped with text and power effects.
>>282353352It scribbles and the panelling isn't flowing.>>282353282Toiryama said he liked One piece too. Totiyama says whatever
>>282352918>copy Piccolo Daimao, Frieza, Sayian and Cell arc into oneyes that's Moro. The things that happened in the original manga by Toriyama happen again in Moro. The whole theme of the arc is why do you fight Goku? as in why did you fight all of those you fought in the original manga. and Goku answers that while fighting them again symbolically while they're personified in Moro. Goku's answer is that he values the excitement of the universe and fights to challenge himself and that he is thrilled to fight strong opponents.the Moro arc was amazing>Granolah at least expands the loreGranolah ruined Bardock and ruined Goku by introducing him to Bardock>signature ending where Goku doesn't defeat the final villainnothing new. we had Goku losing in the climax of the arc during: the 21st tournament, Fortuneteller Baba, 22nd tournament, Saiyan arc, Android/Cell arc, and in Buu he needed other people's energy to defeat Buu since he couldn't do it on his own. You love those stories when they're from the original manga. But when Zamasu wins in Super you hate it for some reason. Isn't Zamasu winning also a cool signature ending?
>>282353489>The whole theme of the arc is why do you fight Goku?Didn't we already know the answer to that? Vegeta has a whole speech about it
>>282352950if GT had the same concepts and stories but with the right concepts no one would have considered it non canon. even the first space adventure arc is a good concept and Pan can still be annoying and it still could've been beloved. Although Pan should only be annoying in the beginning of the arc. During the middle and late stages of the space adventure arc she should have some growth where she accepts and loves her Grandpa despite his shrunken body and she should stop getting Goku and Trunks in trouble. or she should at least fix her mistakes on her own for once instead of having Goku and Trunks rescue her every single time.Baby is genuinely great. He is a parasite that infects the entire planet and is a tuffle that wants vengeance. I think it should've been Vageta staring at earth remembering his life there and transforming into super saiyan 4 instead of Goku for the sake of the drama. If they took the Baby arc to it's highest potential it would've beenas beloved and as great as the arcs in the original manga by Toriyama.I like that they wanted Buu and Uub to return to one. but they didn't do it well and didn't give Majuub time to shine.I like that they tried to do something with 17 and Super 17 is cool. But the whole story around it is bad honestly.The shadow dragons idea is cool and it makes me wish there was such a thing as a Dragon Realm outside of the 12 universes in the same way there is a Demon Realm outside of the 12 universes. But the shadow dragons arc could've been better and Vageta getting super saiyan 4 due to technology was shit tbqh.
>>282352950>>282353618also super saiyan 4 should've been called something else. like Super Saiyan Ozaru or something that fits. whenit comes to numbered forms Super Saiyan 3 always felt like it was the peak of that.
>>282353538we knew the answer to that but Meerus was the one to ask, and Meerus and the Galatic Patrol didn't know the answer to that. They fight for a different reason than Goku. They fight to protect and defend the universe from evil and heroically establish justice in the universe which they love.that's why Goku quite the Galactic Patrol when they told him he had to execute Moro. Because Goku though it would be a shame for someone so strong to die without reaching his full potential. That's why Goku went to Moro and asked whether he trained or not. Moro used magic to get stronger but Goku knew that with training he can go even further beyond. but Moro said training is a clutch for the weak which is why Goku was disappointed.everything in the arc makes way more sense if you understood why each character is fighting. the Moro arc is genuinely the best modern Dragon Ball arc to date. I have faith in Toyotaro. I think know he might be experienced enough to come up with even better arcs hopefully.
The Bejita arc will save the franchise and even the world
>>282351447They know that if Goku and Bejita surpass Beerus and Whis they will be forced to precipitate the end of dbs. Moro and Granola were just padding antagonists so we don't get to Beerus and Whis too quickly. And now this fucking SHARTnga is in indefinite hiatus fuck you cuckofucko.I genuinely hoped that after Moro arc Merus would be sentenced and the mortals of the universe would have to save him in a Saint Seiya like arc against angels and GoD.But instead he just lost his angel power. It really shows that they don't want to make a high stakes arc anymore.
>>282325525TOO late for that should've been made right after that shitfest that the Buu saga was. Almost 30 years too late. Beat course of action is letting this overdone IP to rest in peace even its author is dead,ffs
>>282351447Did you watch GT with them?
Iyokubros... We can't let Torishima ridicule our Magnum Opus...
The only things I liked from Daima where>The first half of the Tamagami 3 fightGood fight choreography in the 1st half and cool grounded fight.Goku fighting with the power pole and martial arts was GREAT.Ruined once Goku turned Super Saiyan and the fight got worse with generic beam spam and shaking animation.>SS4 Goku KamehamehaProbably one of the best animated Kamehamehas so far.Good set up and very good animation.But ruined since Gomah was a mediocre villain with a mediocre defeat ( the 3rd eye and Kuu)There was some potential t b h
God what a boring thread
Good thread.Actual discussion and genuine opinions instead of shitposting.
I only want more Dragon Ball content if Torishima is going to be the editor.
>discussionYou've been talking about the same tired topic for 3 threads
>>282354964>the same tired topic for 3 threadsname it if you're genuine and not a thread derailer
>>282329871>>282351670>>282325702Yeah everything about what torishima wanted was basically the opposite of what toriyama wanted to do. As a compromise, toriyama kept vegeta around as the ultimate foil to goku. Only there to be the opposite of the ideal hero. As it pertains to the rest of his career. Toriyama at least wanted to attempt to make stuff other than dragon ball. Trying to put gag humor over stories that tapped into all of his classic inspirations. Most accomplished manga artists before him weren't usually chained to one property.
>>282325677Vegeta getting assfucked by Piccolo for at least 300 episodes, call it Dragon Ball Green and Purple.
>>282357189>Gay fantasiesWhy are Vegeta haters like this?
>>282357189Thanks doc
>>282325550Goku fucked up and killed the one that could stretch any part of her body. Following that, probably Naruto since he's the only one with prior experience being a woman, can make clones, and years of homolust for Sasuke has probably made him consider it at some point.
>>282325525>Goku fucks off with Shen Long at the end of gt.>Family Man Vegeta becomes the protagonistIt would have been so fucking kino
>>282348604>gyaru android 18
Daima was pure garbage.Dragon Ball is liquid gold as an IP and just sitting there, unused in the proper way. Need to go back to unrepentant masculinity, blood, and high stakes fights.
>>282358420>toriyama makes dragon ball's producers tens of billions of dollars>no you can't write basic adventure stories with your characters we need to cash in even more!
>>282338493Based
>>282357567Sexo
>>282358245FUCKImagin those wrapped around a BBC
>>282352710Look at his body bro, hes a hunk, and Bulma never shows ick towards him meaning hes facially fine
>>282352811JJK has a simple power systemCursed Energy can be manipulated to do XX means lots of crazy shit unlike ki,only magic in DB can do what cursed energy does
>>282358420>>282358986Holy fucking esl babble
>>282356125did you forget that Toriyama also hated the idea of Goku being treated as a noble hero?
>>282359024Thats fine grammar, you fucking retard, and go run into a car.
>>282359024>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwDWxt7m_Sk
>>282358420This. When I see fans saying that DB should be gagshit I imagine how ridiculous it would be if Batman fans wanted to bring back the campy shit from the silver age comics and the Adam West series because a dark and brooding batman is not the true essence of the character.
>>282356125>Blue Dragon Yikes
>>282359024The English language bends to ME!
>>282325525Torishima is the only reason DBZ was good. Toriyama was not a writer, he could just draw cool concepts and other people would modify them to make them work. Toriyama having full creative control only resulted in utter garbage.
>>282325525Go on Fanfiction.net, click on Dragon Ball GT and randomly select any story that's not mpreg and it'll be better than Super and Daima.
>>282359604
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q3gy8A0jY10&pp=ygULSW50IHRoZSBlbmQ%3D
>>282360426Gine was purposely scrawny though. She sucks as a fighter so she works as a butcher instead.
>>282360426>always that imageFine, have another. No faggy moeshit stick figures in sight.
>>282360426everyone is scrawny in Toriyama's current style because his main gig after DB ended was drawing Dragon Quest concept art
>>282360685Yeah, modern DB artstyle is shit. We all know that.
>>282360739Their whole gimmick is that they are the physically strongest race of warriors to exist, vegeta even says that "Saiyans only like strong women" and it's implied that saiyan men beat the shit out of their women to get fucking rights, so there's no reason for the saiyan girls to be depicted as stick figures either.
>>282360739All saiyans were supposed to be fighting autists that would send off their weak babies to conquer planets before the modern era.>>282360849>but I'm tired of retards pretending U7 Saiyans were something they were notBut they clearly were, you retard. The proof is in your posts and how you can't show any examples from the Z era of saiyans that look like stick figures or being pacifists to back up your claims.
I hate Zamasu
>>282360685This guy was just a pilot. He still has muscle and scars though.
>>282360849Table is a weak Saiyan who was sent away to a weak planet because he was so weak. Probably why he's so short and thin.
I hate Hoeata
you could easily do a Bejita centric story by just making him go to the U6 saiyan planet
>>282361676Why not evil Vegeta rule whole galaxy?
I like how Torishima called Daima shit in front of Iyoku and Nakatsuru's faces.
>>282361676and he is still less scrawny than Cabba
>>282361871quoted wrong >>282361564
>>282361711Virginia?
>>282360054https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzjltM2qv_0
>>282361907>
>>282362008>you can't show any examples from the Z era of saiyans that look like stick figures or being pacifists>being pacifistsSeethe harder.
>>282359198it's funny because they're objectively correct and so is everyone who says gagshit is the true SOVL of Dragonball, because it is
>>282362105The point raised in >>282359538 was that the saiyans from Super suck because they're neutered versions of what saiyans were originally meant to be. You faggot.
>>282325525yeah, a comedy
>>282362105>pinkshit 21No argument
Is Dragon Ball dead? Why no more Super in the title? What do you guys talk about these days?
>>282325525>you agree with Torishima on Toyo being shityes
>>282362634>Joku-er lost to laser beam
>>282362539>tarble, a non canon shit character made in 2009 is your only argumentproto dbs
>>282362539>>Actively dodging TarblePart of nu DB.>>Actively dodging the fact that these Saiyans are from entirely differen universes and have a different evolutionary pathThey're still shit. Also you yourself brought up how U7 saiyans like Gine and Leek also look like shit in nu DB.>>Actively ignoring that Saiyans in Z had very limited screentime and mainly showed their fighters when it's stated those weren't the only onesRetard, Frieza said he killed them all because they were disobedient violent savages and Goku said they deserved to perish. Saying that any of the saiyans were pacifists before Yo Son Goku is pure fanfic.>>Actively dodging the mother of our lord and SAVIORkuYou have shit taste. Cope and dial 8.
>>282358245What ep is this from?
>>282355617>Oh woe is me daima sucks and rights are never getting resolved >no super sucks>no toyo sucks>a bunch stupid obvious questions that boil down to nitpicking to things of which the answer should be obvious
Why can't Super or Poopma make anything this cool...https://youtu.be/A-cWhGvs1jY?si=5nsiJWy9_a1C8yF3
New Manga with Pan and Uub as the main characters
>>282363695...is a guaranteed flop
>>282362952KEK
Time to find out who's the strongest in the universe.
>>282325550female asta looks rather sexyfuuuuuarki need more porn of her NOW!
>>282363361kys faggot
>>282363918This and Gohan Black much better than canon
>>282325525A side character focused story needs to cut Goku out, like Bardock or Trunks special.
>>282325547This, the fans are the cancer of the series, because they just want to rehash old stories but with a new hair color.
>>282326583They will just make him a nice guy who never hurt anyone and it was Nappa and Raditz who did the deed, just like they made Bardock into a nice guy.
>>282329835>Monaka is probably the worst fucking thing in all of SuperYeah, Mr. Satan filled that role perfectly so there was no need for a new character like him, also, Goku not knowing he was weak as fuck is ridiculous, at that point Goku had more than 30 years experience as a martial artist.
>>282326583So just the bug planet filler?
>>282359369I enjoyed it as a kid.
>>282363361Nothing in this post is a banable offense btw. And I've noticed you unpaid interns have been trying to make scholar a banable word which is retarded
Do people really want a Vegeta-centered series? Do you SERIOUSLY want more shit like the Bardock side story from the Granolah arc that no one liked?
>>282331162I hope you also don't want the dreck in that image.
>>282332150Yeah, at least with other long-running series like Kamen Rider and Gundam they change the MC so you could sort each series out.
>>282334090Yes, all the characters really finished their arcs, what you could use with them is have them interact more with each other and be in new big battles, or have Goku roam with Freeza.
>>282363918Some people may not agree, but I think Meta Cooler is better than regular. Golden and Black final form Cooler now!
>>282334315Check other Shonen Manga from Jump, only the MC gets headshots on the antagonist.
>>282365091>DBShit Goku origin story is 1:1 copy of superman's>bardock is le loving dadtoriyama really was a hack
>>282365091[character]-centered isn't the problem. No one liked Bardock's side story because they expected a ruthless warrior killing shit and got a dindu muffin good dad.
>>282338400>characters have their own small mini arcs24 episode series with Gohan trying to teach people about Ki control.
>>282365257S CELLS *raffs*
>>282338437Bejita movie where he goes around his regular day but we see flashbacks of his past.>buying groceries = flashback to looting homes>showering = flashback to swimming in a river to cleanse himself from all the bloodAnd so on.
>>282339220We already have him starring with Sung Jin Woo in the aura farming tournament.
>>282343378Yup yup, easiest character to bring back if you want actual martial arts in the series.
>>282325525Why are people making it so complicated? It could just be a normal dragon ball series except Vegeta saves the day instead of Tardku. I would not mind some more back story on his exploits with Nappa though and maybe even seeing Vegeta's mother.
Based GTchad getting around the system
>>282359058Yes, his ideal hero wasn't "noble" or "just" in that sense. His ideals were actually more classic.
>>282344082Cool.
>>282343378>>282343910https://youtu.be/AHDKwdYRHzE?t=1752
>>282325525
>>282365091>>282365257>>282365281That's stupid, he still wiped out the rest of that civilization.
>>282325525What about a Bejita spin-off in which he goes off on his own exploring the galaxy trying to fix the mistakes of his past? For example, by wiping out other space pirates?
>>282365091Problem is that Toei also want Bardock as a good guy, I mean they made him go back in time and be the first super Saiyan and that doesn't make any sense since he was supposed to be a weak run-of-the-mill soldier.
>>282365201That's because the concept is cool.
>>282365892>wiping out other space pirates?It's amazing how characters don't care that much when they kill people.
There's a lot wrong with Multiverse but I like their depiction of saiyan society.
>>282366499Bejita now computer needs like Bulla? Hilarious.
>>282325525>bejitatard is retarded
>>bejitatard is retarded
I wonder if this series will ever actually die.
>>282366499>At first, Vegeta was in fear, then in anger, then in hate, …then, in suffering.That’s a quote from Star Wars btw.
>>282366499Multiverse has cute waifus.
>>282368312Kek. Another series suffering from being kept alive.
>>282367873Never. DB transcends time, but whatever sequel will be lost in the shuffle.
>>282368358Trvke! Now here Raditz and Princess Snake’s daughter.
>>282325525Vegeta got plenty of focus on Super tho?
>>282371050Yeah who can forget all the times he jobbed
We love Tama.https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Scratch
>>282371050Yes, he was.
>>282325525Yes. CHADishima is right. TRACE-otaro is shit.
>>282325525>sandniggaStop screenshot that fraud
>>282371050I think that's what motivated him to say that. In Super, Vegeta got stories about mentoring Cabba, wanting to redeem himself with the Namekians, his racial conflict with Granolah, stuff like that. Goku didn't really get a whole lot, besides looking up to Bardock I guess. Is it just hard to develop Goku?
I was rewatching Megamind, and the hero Metroman simply stopped protecting the city and doing his job and when told to go back he just apologized and said that he was done, why can't we see Gohan do the same? To be selfish enough to tell them >no, I don't want to train anymore, I'm not interested in fighting or saving anyone, don't put that responsibility on my shouldersThat would be much better than flip-flopping between his passion and what people (mainly his dad and his friends) want from him.
>>282372443Gohan doesn't hate fighting, it's just not what he lives for. He's not enough of a jackass to quit completely and leave the earth to get fucked by whatever future threat comes, he just doesn't train.
>>282371024Why did Vegeta suiciding himself against Majin Buu not result in a SSJ3 zenkai boost... Makes you think
>>282372443Megamind 2 can work as manga instead awful TV series
>>282372669>he just doesn't train.That makes him useless in these big situations, is he seriously just gonna wait to see his loved ones get brutalized so he could get an anger boost? Just stay at home and comfort your wife.
>>282372706I didn't watch megamind 2, heard it was awful, I checked imdb and they didn't bring anyone from the original movie back, it's basically a straight to DVD sequel, a cashgrab.
I don't particularly like Fenyo's attempt to recreate Tori's modern style.
>>282373033Hard agree, they look too fuckable.
>>282325525>Toyo being shitObjectively true. Bad art, bad choreography, bad paneling, bad anatomy, bad story beats. He can't write, draw, or design memorable characters.>Super being shitAlso true. It had some points but Super was overall a terrible "sequel" largely due to the fact that it was actually a midquel and it failed to do anything interesting with the massive amount of world building it introduced.>Daima being shitNo one argues against this. Daima is shit. 100% shit.>Vegeta centric product being better than both?It would probably still be shit, but not as shit.
>>282373534>design memorable characters.Old Moro looked great.
>>282373589He looked okay, which is about as much praise as Toyo will ever get.
>>282325550This is so fucking gay
why is the broly pose so iconic
>>282358629Except the manga almost got canceled at the first arc cause it was boring as shit. Krillin unironcially helped save the manga
>>282358420This is the TURDhan dubfag btw.
>>282373875>Krillin unironcially helped save the mangaUh huh sure he did.
>>282373875People didn't like the Pilaf gang?
>>282373933>mid-life crisis KuririnMy guy, he's talking about the Chad who brought porn mags to Roshi.
>>282373946Apparently nothttps://www.cbr.com/dragon-ball-pilaf-saga-viewership-drop-rush/
>>282374010>ChadThis does not describe Cuckllin at any point.
>>282374046>CBRDiscarded.
>>282374174what did 18 see in him?
>>282374315Nothing, Toriyama paired them because he thought it was funny. In actuality 18 would think Krillin is a fucking cowardly, weak loser.
>>282374046Interesting, I don't hate the Pilaf gang but I see their addition to Super as a waste of time, they were not particularly funny in Super, could have done away with the comedy act in Zamasu's arc, guess Toriyama just wanted to bring back as many gagshit as he could muster.
>>282325525it would be cool to get a story centered around literally any character other than the usual suspects
>>282374315Funny, brave, stood up for her, she could control him, provides for her; better than any man she met up to that point (not much competition)
>>282374253is this better faggot?https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/10/15/kazuhiko-torishima-on-shaping-the-success-of-dragon-ball-and-the-origins-of-dragon-quest/?sh=35128cbd25e5
>>282374412>fucking forbesDroparoo'd!
>>282374371>toriyama just wanted to bring back as many gagshit as he could muster.I can understand Toriyama wanting to go back to his roots. But I just do not understand people saying they should go back to gagshit despite the fact that's not what the majority of readers remember from the series
>>282357636>The planet getting destroyed at the first sign of a new villain as Bejita predictably jobs and the series ends there.KEKAROOOO!
>>282374474Gohan and Goten have to save the day
>>282374454>people sayingI don't think there's many who say that, also, fans don't know what's good for them, if some fans had their way we would be at SS23, but the series should definitely have funny moments and not be all edge and misery.
>>282374474>new villainNo such thing, there are no more villains, only petty crimes.
>>282374474Goshart is 0-3 against Vegeta.
>>282374503Of course there's a balance. But wanting Dragon Ball to go back to the style of pilaff arc is how you end up with GT and Daima
>>282374524and yet Goku still lives rent free in Bejita's head
>>282374551>and yet3-0, correct.
>>282372678He lost the majin boost and ended up even weaker.
>>282373833He only wants Kakarot carrot cake
>>282374503No matter how many times they redo daipa and Gonorrhea Trash, it will flop again and again.
>>282374524Maybe Krillin can save the day? He does have a positive w/l record against the prince, after all.
>>282374530Yeah, I still didn't watch Daima, the road I want the series to go to is Chads flexing and talking about martial arts and the moves they do and what they could have done differently and the perfection of their craft, Goku, Bejita, Piccolo, and Tenshinhan and you could add whoever you want with them of the rotating cast, the G and B show isn't all that bad, but it could be much better.
>>282374646Nice headcanon. None of his encounters were even fights btw.
>>282374578>counting non-canon ps2 cut scene
>>282374687The Krillin HBOCing is funny. I guess Puar has a positive w/l record against Tardku.
Lotsa headcanon, I see.
>>282374656>Goku, Bejita, Piccolo, and TenshinhanThis is unironically who I think should be the "Main Four" cause they seem to be the only ones who give a shit about fighting
>>282373875>>282373946>>282374046>>282374412first of all that was back before he made them 10s of billions of dollars. he's should not be bound by the same rules as 40 years ago when he started dragon ball. Secondly there's has to be some misleading terms used. Viewership of dragon ball was at its highest during the early arc of dragon ball. They would have to be either talking about WSJ's ranking or volume sales. Because dragon ball's viewership never surpassed what it was during the red ribbon arc.
>>282358420Someone has to do it before Yuliban does it first
>>282374751>fightingAnd here's the thing, they don't train to fight, they train because they love training, they train to hone their craft, the biggest Super sin in my eye is making Goku look like a complete fool as a fighter, a man with over 30 years of experience and they still make him look like he's fighting for the first time, I got no problem with him being naive, but when it comes to trading blows, he's a grandmaster.
>>282374802>he's should not be bound by the same rules Creators need to be wrangled, not everything they come up with is good.
>>282374849RoF makes me seethe when whis says underestimates opponents which literally never happens
>>282374721>D-D-DOESN'T COUNTTouchè.
>>282374910Things other than the bottom line matter. It would be one thing if toriyama was going out of his way to be controversial like isyama or anno but he wasn't so he should have been able to do whatever he wants. Oda clearly gets to do pretty much anything with his stories and everyone rolls with it
>>282374916You know, thinking about it, I think the only times Goku underestimated his opponents in the original series was when he faced TaoPaiPai for the first time and when he angrily chased after Piccolo Sr. and his children after they murdered Kuririn.
>>282374687How is that 3-0 even a win? They didn't fight, Krillin just didn't want to massacre bejita which tracks for his character, whereas when krillin blasted bejita's guts out, he needed a healer almost immediately or he would have died.Also Krillin could've stabbed bejita in the neck in the saiyan saga fight, but HUMBLEku chose to ask Krillin to be merciful, I guess you can argue beating someone on the brink of death then letting them live constitutes a draw or something, but that would mean that bejita is 0-0 against GODku?
>>282374977Yamcha and Tien did fuse into bald warriors
>>282375043Vegeta is 3-0 over Bitchku.
>>282325525>clearly means that ANYTHING would be better than dragon ball SHITer and DIAPER>hurr bejitabejitabrownoids ruined /dbs/ like they ruined the rest of the site
>>282375091Not gonna lie, Gohan is drawn as a bottom here, look at his body language, it's super feminine.
>>282375120Jeetoid = badLatinx = good
>>282375117If you say so, I'm only interested in the MC who gets shit done, Bejita is neat and all, but he spends too much time crying and not enough winning fights against the villains who don't offer pity wins to the prince, friendly sparring matches are not the gravy of the show.
>>282375195>B-BUT3-0.
>>282374802I know it was probably the high/low points of the manga itself that lead to the turns the story took and the anime was probably irrelevant in that regard, but it is surprising to see the Piccolo Daimao arc being the ratings low point for the anime until the Boo arc, consider that it was the template for every following arc.
>>282375027and like maybe Mister Popo. All examples are when he is a child
>>282375155Thx doc
>>282375292he never fights Popo in the manga iirc
>he's here
>>282375407no?
>>282375265That should not surprise youIt's why DB was relaunched as DBZTorishima mentioned not being satisfied with the quality of the anime, particularly with the Daimao arcSo he investigated why the Saint Seiya anime was so popular when the source material was dogshit and he found the writer(future Broly creator) and the director of the series was the reason. So he got them to relaunch DBThen Toriyama chose Z as the new title because it was the last letter on the japanese alphabet and said ''this is the end, there is nothing after this'' yada yada yada you know the rest
>>282375503the only thing I remembered is that Popo eating the kamehameha is filler
>>282375265>>282375520AlsoWhat you really should be surprised about is how popular Saiyaman/Majin Vegeta arc wasWtf did nips see in that and why did Boo arc ratings fall down so hard after that?
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>>282375573She...didn't make it.
>>282375265Daimao being the origin of that template makes senseThat was the first time Toriyama tried writing that sort of story and he didn't quite nail it, but he refined it going forward and made it work extremely well>>282375552Saiyaman arc was fun and comfy but it wasn't deliberately nerfing the characters or actively trying to be fun and comfy at the expense of actionIt felt like the set up to a new arc and we finally got to see the characters just living for once. It felt like an epilogue without being an epilogueAnd then Majin Vegeta was popular because it was Vegeta being Bejita before another threat took away from his focusBuu failed because it was overlong with not much going on other than an endless series of fights and Piccolo going "I've never felt a power like this!" every other chapterBuu being completely immortal didn't helpCell made sense. He had Piccolo's cells and could regenerate, but we didn't realize he was near-Buu levels of regeneration until the absolute peak of tension.Buu starts out with more broken regeneration the first time we see him, so all that told readers was "we're going to get a lot of scenes of Buu being beaten and blown up that don't matter" and that's exactly what we got
>>282375552The hottest of takes: Nips aren't as different from Westoid burgers, burritos, and frogs as much as we like saying they are, and they also enjoy brutal bloody macho violence too, just with cuter characters doing it. Buu looks like a goddamn clown, and when he finally looks menacing, we've already spent a full year on him and we're not even halfway done with the story
>>282373033Fenyo can't draw hair for shit. His art looks like dogshit. Also why does he always fuck up the feet.There was one dude who captured Toriyama's artstyle the best: dragongarow Lee.I wish he can become the main DB mangaka for whatever next project they want to restart their sequel with. Since Daima and Super are failures.
>>282375975This is another thing yeahAll the other arcs had a rotating cast of villains, kind of like open air tournaments. We didn't stick with King Piccolo as the only bad guy throughout the story. Vegeta wasn't the only Saiyan they fought during the Saiyan saga. Frieza had a whole organization before we finally got to him. We got through two separate pairs of androids before we got to Cell, and only then did he start going through his transformations.Buu saga is 10% Vegeta/Dabura/Pui Pui/Yakon, then 90% different forms of Buu. We only have this childlike personality-less pink guy for nearly the entire story arc with no other opponents or side characters. Buu even gets rid of Babidi a quarter of the way through the story, and from then on there's literally no one else except arguably another Buu (Gray Buu for a few minutes). It just got boring watching the heroes beat up an endlessly regenerating literal blob.
>>282375043Vegeta ordered Cucklin to do that so he could get a zenkai boost and he obliged like a good little bitch. It was not a fight.
>>282373033Tori's modern style was not great
>>282375195That's a TFS edit. Vegeta did not cry in that filler scene.
>>282376007I know Toyotaru was "hand chosen" by Toriyama. But man, what an awful choice
Only one crossover can save Dragon Ball now
>>282376265He wasn't hand chosen He was in the right place at the right time drawing the Heroes manga and was picked to draw the promotional manga of the new Dragon ball Super anime, but then Super became super popular and the throwaway manga suddenly became the definitive sequel series to the original manga, and that's when Toyo started getting called his "hand chosen successor"
>playing a BT3 mod>Cell's aura was changed to be greenWhy is Cell's aura yellow anyway?
>>282376300Toriyama still approved of him. There were other in contentions, but he picked Toyo as he believed, his artsyle was the closest to his. One of the other that was in the running is the one that does Dragon ball SD.
>>282376455>but he picked Toyo as he believed, his artsyle was the closest to hisThat should have been a red flag that his brain stopped working
>>282376239Oh, so that narrows down bejita cryfests to 4, if memory serves, although one could argue he was probably on the verge of crying, dude has a very fractured psyche and tends to lose control of his emotions.
>>282376582>>2823762395* forgot about the pink goo mogging.
>no funny>no yabba dooYeah its over
>>282376346BUT WHEN GODKU DOES IT, IT DOESN'T COUNT!Bejitafags are so eternally buckbroken by the fact that their ''hero'' was a humiliation filler comedy character from start to end, grasping at the one and only thing he achieved, with GODku holding back and bejita getting outside help.
>>282376443I always assumed that his green aura in the anime was due to him (technically) going super saiyan
>>282376662>yellow aurafixed
>>282376649>comedy characterBejita is Toriyama's greatest joke.
>>282376706Sadly the comedy was quite lacking in the Series, Bejita got a few chuckles out of me at least, him blustering about his ego only to get brutally BUCK BROKEN every. single. time. Never ceases to be funny.
>>282376774I've been showing my wife the series and when we got to the Cell vs Bejita part, we couldn't stop laughing
>>282376774
>clings to the only comeback they have as tears run down their face
>>282376967He has devolved into saying a single word...
>>282377028>>282377035
>>282328762Attack on Titan is overrated cuck shit Torishima is right again
>>282377101Wha... What did Bejita mean by this?>>282377134
>>282377461>cuck this cuck that cuck cuck cuckRetarded Dragonshitter.
>>282376582>>282376607No Vegeta only cried once in canon. Goku however...>>282377134Non canon panel added 10 years later.
>>282376649When Tardku does what exactly?
>>282377525PISSFARTPIGta cried twice. Once when Freeza BTFO him, and once when he begged GODku to do what his pathetic, weak, worthless, ugly, jobber, manlet ass couldn't.
>>282377559Sure buddy. Tardku cried more though, and lost thrice to Vegeta.
>>282377590>SureConcession accepted.
>>282377604You accept that Goku cried more and lost to Vegeta? Okay then.
>>282377624>You acceptThat SHARTjita cried twice and jobbed, yup.
>>282377590Well that's fair, both were around 5 years old at the time of said emotional collapses.
Could SSJGSSJ Vegito beat MUI Goku
