How did it become so popular despite having some of the worst writing in shonen history?
>>282334697Cool sword fights, cool animation, cool music, cool charactersYou don't *need* to hate it just because it's popular, you know
>>282334697Everything else was worse.
>>282334697>worst writingNo, there's much worse than this. And it resonates with normal people, so of course you r autistic ass can't get it.
>>282334881>Normal people resonate with pretty colors covering up awful writing Grim.
>>282334767But why did this one get the good animation treatment? Why not a more worthy manga with better writing?
>>282334697>some of the worst writing in shonen historyCSM is fucking dogshit, the sequel is even worse and we still get 24/7 generals, just dont think about it
>>282334920>"Guys, just stop having fun already!"
>>282334767I hate it because it's popular and because it invited a shit ton of tourist normies into anime thanks to COVID.
>>282335117>You should up your standards, demand better, critically think and not consume dogshit. >No!Grim.
>>282334697there's no trick to it
>>282335159False equivalence, you can do both, enjoying something simple like Demon Slayer doesn't stop you from looking at other stuff.
>>282335159I'll bite. what shows have good writing?
>>282335320jjk and hxh
>>282335312It's not "simple". It's badly written. There's a difference. The fact that you can't understand that is even more grim.
>>282335373Define "badly written" so we can all understand what point are you trying to make besides "I don't like it and I'm mad other people like it"
>>282335339other than shounen?
>>282334697it has an OK writing, consistent and direct shonen
>>282335427those are seinen
>>282335459Soft seinen
>>282334697No one gave a shit before episode 19, then suddenly every fucking retard started to watch and made it the new one piece.
>>282335459No, they're shonen. They were published in shonen magazines.
>>282334697COVID traumatized everyone after being locked indoors for a whole year that normalfags locked onto this series as their "comfort anime" despite being just another bog standard shounen that plays everything by the book and has no standout quality.You just have to wonder what'd happen to anybody's minds from being locked up for a long time with little outside interaction.
It's over Jeremy, it's getting to 100 million in USA and possibly 500 million ww this weekend.
Shonen is not a style or genre
>>282335403>Pay off with no set upThe countless amount of asspulls such as Tanjiro's powerups, Zenitsu's rival that was barely shown ever through the manga, Rengoku's death, Genya turning good for no reason, >No explanation for anythingWe're never shown how the different demon slayer breathing forms are different. They're all functionally the same with no discernible weaknesses or strengths between them. If they are, they're briefly mentioned and never actually shown. No explanation for Genya's abilities or why he has them. Inosuke contorting his own organs to survive being impaled. >Emotional manipulation Rengoku's death, the constant demon backstories that don't inform any of their actions in the present, Tanjiro's backstory of his entire family dying when we didn't know any of them or even see their personalities. Just a couple of many examples.
>>282335339lmfao
>>282335657No, those are good choices. Easily better than Kimetsu.
>>282335642>Tanjiro's backstory of his entire family dying when we didn't know any of them or even see their personalities.Yeah, imagine a series wanting you to understand what a 13 year old who just lost his family feels.Truly alien.
>>282335103To be fair, you need to have an IQ/EQ of atleast 100 to truly understand and appreciate CSM Part 2
>>282335719JJK literally spent two chapters of its ending with the author seething at online comments.It didn't have writing, just autism.
>>282335731Nice reductionism into strawman. His family is not real. Tanjiro is not real. The writer has to put in the work to make us care about them.
>>282335719JJK fumbled its main trio even worse than Naruto.
>>282335642Besides de pay off point all the other stuff is subjective at best. I would say that you must be retarded by not noticing the training arc before every single big fight, but I'll blame the fact that you're either a speedwatcher or you don't actually watch the show, only summaries. The set up for Kaigaku could have been better, yes, you're right about that, but that's not something that can make an entire show "bad".
>>282335809What a retarded thing to say anon, is like you want to discuss the Willing Suspension of Disbelief but you're too dumb to articulate what you mean.
>>282334697your face has the worst writing in human historyfaggot
>>282335601>muh box officeOh no!Anyway, Spirited Away will continue to be studied and talked about by professors and filmmakers for years to come. Shounenshit will have its 5 minutes of fame with browns then fade.
>>282335063because it's completely inoffensiveimagine investing a fuckton of work into something that ends up being controversial
>>282335642you're retardedyou're illiterateyou're autistic
>>282335945I'm pretty sure Kimetsu is controversial in both, Korea and China, two markets that you could use another shounen for if that's what you're really aiming for.
>>282335921>will never post a valid passport>or hand>or a non cumstained mattress>or an explanation for anythingBy the way, it's getting a china release announced on the 8th.
>>282335945>completely inoffensiveObviously not since anons have been seething at it's existence for years.
>>282335921>AnywayYou can't anyway this because you've made predicting its box office your whole personality, while failing, hard.
everyone talks about the bad writingbut why doesn't this series have a single good meme in the anglosphere like jjk ( potential man, nah i wan ) ?even the porn is just so shit unlike bnha probably cause the art is just too ugly and designs looks jarring
>>282334697Because of the combination of 2 factors: emotionally manipulative story + emotionally manipulative animation. It didn't work with the manga because the author can't draw.>>282334767They aren't cool at all. They're cute. And normies LOVE to see cute characters suffering.
>>282335989>controversialYou surely mean EXTREMELY popular, right?
>>282335909>>282335984>NOOO YOU MUST BE ILLITERATE AND AUTISTIC FOR NOT LIKING MY TRASH ANIME!Holy fucking shit. No fan of this show ever brings up counter arguments towards any criticism. None of them ever respond with any substance. It's pretentious waxing about how you're too stupid to understand it's themes, when it's not deep at all.
>>282335945Mushoku did it
>>282336069It luckily got popular before jjk brainrot happened.
>>282336069degenerate
>>282336080There's a reason why they need to edit Kimetsu for both, the Chinese and the Korean markets.
>>282336097now don't get too excited!retard
>>282336097No one mentioned themes so far. Is like you don't even know how to bait properly, have a nice (you)
>>282336069>single good memeThey have Tanjirou looking at a phone in disgust.
>>282335809This kind of midwit bullshit only flies because deep down you know people don't care about enough to call you out in every single hyperbole. Can you prove by some tangible metric that the author didn't "make the audience care", or are you just using your personal feelings as a parameter? It becomes such a childish game. "Oh, you don't care? I care, therefore you're wrong!"Then the other person answers "Uh, my taste is superior, you were just manipulated! When *I* feel emotion, it's not manipulation, it's good writing!"It's "my dad can beat up your dad"-level arguing, just a waste of time.Here's a tangible fact: we spend more time with Tanjiro's family than we spend with Yuji's grandfather in JJK. We see more of Tanjiro's family than we see of Megumi's sister, or Nobara's childhood friend.Anyone who says Gege "put more effort" into making us care about the familial relationshiops of the JJK main trio than Gotouge did with Tanjiro and Nezuko is WRONG in a tangible way that can be measured with number of appearances, quantity of panels, pages, dialogue, etc. That's real discussion, that's a real comparison.What you do is just trying to dress up your distaste of the series with a thin veneer of objectivity, while just spouting opinions instead of using some real metric to prove the bullshit you say.
>>282334697Because it didn't have any noise like nude minors. That plus a little luck is all that's needed for an anime to become a major success globally, but many can't manage even that.
>>282336116That's just the government being retarded, the general population LOVES this shit. I mean, it's about to beat suzume in korea.
>>282336174We don't know anything about Tanjiro's family. We don't know their personalities, we don't know their motivations, we literally see them for a collective 2 minutes in the anime before they're killed off and never even thought about again. Why give him this entire family if you're not going to do anything with them? It's cheap emotional manipulation.
>>282336051>You can't anywayANYWAY. I just did. What are you gonna do about that bitch?>>282336006>Top 3All that matters.Anyway, art is eternal that's why Spirited Away is still talked about and even got Ghibli a Palme d'Or last year. Ufotable are still begging for an Oscar but Oscars don't care and shills Nezha 2. No one even remembers Mugen Train anymore.
>>282336207Yes, but if you're just looking for a "safe no-controversy making" shonen you could do better than picking Kimetsu, there must be something else here.
>>282336264Frieren is the least controversial shonen
>>282335103CSM is the shonen with the best writing currently and I'm not even joking
>>282336244>No one even remembers Mugen Train anymore.Well, it sure keeps living RENT FREE in your head.Just like this movie.
>it pretends to care about spirited away nowi bet it doesn't even know the japanese name for it
>>282336309Yeah man, the yoshida stuff, just RIVETING.Part 1's writing was already spotty but part 2 is just full on garbage.
>>282336303You're indeed correct, but Demon Slayer managed to get a good ending without stretching itself to thin like most other shonen do, I'm not sure Frieren is having such luck.And also they're opposites in terms of tone: KnY character wear their hearts on their sleeve, is all about big emotions, meanwhile Fieren is subdue, is bout slow feelings that go in crescendo.
>>282336336>oscars-san... prease give us an oscar... just one oscar is all we need... or even a nomination>w-we even have channing tatum voicing a background characterMiyazaki really mindbroke Aniplex after he won the second time, didn't he?
>>282336303>least controversial>MUH DEMONS BUT FOR REAL
i bet it hasn't even seen a single second of spirited away
>>282334697It´s not that bad but it´s definitely not good either. Writing is just mid and has a lot of ass pulls even for an entry level anime. That´s about it, still enjoyable if you turn your brain off and accept you just want to watch cool(ish) fights.
>>282336484Of course he hasn't, the only anime he cares about is MHA (and that's why he's been seething for the last six years).
Did we move from >It will sell less than Mugen Trainto>Ufotable is begging to win an Oscar"huh?
>>282336520The Dragon Ball of it's era.
>>282334767>Cool sword fightsIncredible how they managed to make a sword fighting anime with zero choreography. Might as well be energy beams.
>>282336547oh no no no, you have to show the WHOLE process>it won't do 180 million>it won't do 200 million>it won't do over 20 billion in japan>it won't do over 30 billion in japan>it won't do over 250 million>it won't do over 300 million without china>400 million is a pipe dream>it will open to 30 million tops>it won't beat mugen train's record in usa>it won't do better than dragon ball in mexico>it will NEVER beat mugen train
>>282334697Families watching it.
>>282334697I don't want to sound like a hater but, for me, only artistically mediocre works become phenomena overnight. Demon Slayer is more a triumph of good advertising than creativity. That's why I feel like the relationship people have with it is similar to the relationship people have with amusement parks. It's an extremely calculated, superficial and safe connection (no wonder, when it's not being shown they stop talking about it).
>>282336646
>>282334697It has one of the best writing in shonen history. It ain't saying much
>>282336705>when it's not being shown they stop talking about itIf people stopped talking about it they wouldn't show up like crazy to PAY to watch it.
>>282336484>wins the Oscars a second time>also wins BAFTA>doesn't even show up to accept his awards because fuck America>got a Palme d'Or next>works on his next film>might win the 3rd timeTrue art? ETERNAL. Miyazaki really mindbroke Aniplex.>>282336547>Chainsoy BoyWatch as the Academy ignores Fujimoto who is the biggest cinephile and Hollywood's biggest fanboy lol.Ufotable literally tried to submit Mugen Train into the Oscars and they got denied by the Academy. They don't even care about it now, they care about Nezha 2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkPkBzMQEiE
>>282336705>I don't want to sound like a hater but, for me, only artistically mediocre works become phenomena overnight. Demon Slayer is more a triumph of good advertising than creativity. That's why I feel like the relationship people have with it is similar to the relationship people have with amusement parks. It's an extremely calculated, superficial and safe connection (no wonder, when it's not being shown they stop talking about it).you sound like a faggot
>>282334811Demon Slayer is next to Black Clover the most by the numbers battle shonen of the new gen. If it had been adapted by Pierrot it would not have had 1/10 of the success.
>>282336646Doesn't matter, the best part is that none of the money actually goes to the author which is pretty based. But it's also not based because Ufotable doesn't get that money either, and those animators deserve it for doing heavy lifting. All of the money goes to Shueisha and Aniplex.
>>282336797Sura, bad animation can sunk any hope for a manga, but Demon Slayer was specifically chosen by Ufotable because they saw the potential in the high drama every fights bring.
>>282336226That's literally wrong, and you reveal how little you remember of the story with every new comment you make. We know their personalities (kind, hardworking mother; ill, quiet, serene father; Takeo is the proud younger bro who uses nonchalancy to hide his embarassment, Rokuta is the youngest, needy little bro. Shigeru and Hanako are the ones with barely any dialogue, depicted only as cheerful, obedient children).>motivationsWhy would we require tertiary/quartenary characters to have "motivations"? They're ordinary people living ordinary lives, one day at a time. Heck, what the fuck was Megumi's sister "motivation"? What is the "motivation" for most of the judges and participants in the Hunter Exam?>never even thought about againGhosts communicate in this story. Tanjiro's mom shows up, either as a ghost on in flashbacks, and has all-new dialogue, 5 times after her death.Tanjiro's dad? 4 times.Takeo?Three times.Hanako? Rokuta? Shigeru?Twice each.They unironically interact more with Tanjiro after dying than Gojo interacts with his students after Shibuya, kek.Again, if you want to make a point, try to know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>282336817>Doesn't matterFunny you say that considering you are STILL wasting your time on it.> none of the money actually goes to the author which is pretty based.Luckily, all the merch money does go and these movies generate millions upon millions that do go to the author.
>>282336817>doesn't matterHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHATotal KnY victory.
>>282336889Every half successful mangaka makes money from merch.What matters is that the author won't see a single penny from the anime which is based. But it's unbased at the same time because Ufotable don't make money out of it either. Hopefully, they'll make money from Genshin Impact as gay as it is.
>>282336982>One Palme d'Or>Two Oscars>One BAFTA>Working on his next movie and might win a THIRD OscarMiyazaki really mindbroke Aniplex after he won but they got ignored by the Academy, didn't he?https://youtu.be/hvAe9rWaSpY
>>282336573Wait? There's no choreography? I was excited to watch it because in the manga the fights are shit.
>>282337047I don't think Aniplex ever thinks about Miyazaki, but to be honest neither do you.
i bet it doesn't even know what a palme d'or even is
How does Miyazaki winning two Oscars, Miyazaki not caring about America, Fujimoto caring about America relate to the amount KnY IC makes at the box office?>Doesn't matterah
>>282336982shit, this whole thing was so funny
>>282336226you're a mongoloid
>>282337098I'm looking forward to reaching the poinf of >"NASA has gone to the Moon, how many moon landing has Kimetsu done, eh?!"
>>282337098He's just diverting attention, who can blame him considering the passport thread, biggest board humiliation in years.
>muh OscarsNobody gvies a rat's ass about the Oscars. Why do you think Miyazaki never shows up?
>>282337091Clearly, they do because they tried to sneak Mugen Train into the Academy but got yeeted out then Miyazaki won for Boy and the Heron afterwards (that movie was mid IMO). Then a few months later after he won the Oscars, he won a Palme d'Or, lmao.
>>282336852Why should we give a shit about them when we know so little about them and they're only on screen for 2 seconds?
>>282337217you really are just completely retarded
>>282336563The original Dragon ball had the whole adventure thing going for it though. It wasn´t until Z that fighting and power levels became the focus. True enough Z ended up becoming the most popular one so i guess the comparison is somewhat correct albeit in Z´s defense there weren´t all that many combat focused anime at the time, let alone on the same tier. Some things are just a matter of timing. Dragon Ball is from 86 i think, Z is from 89 and stuff like Rurouni Kenshin got adapted around the mid 90´s. The way i see it Dragon Ball had no competition at the time and it was more of an adventure than a fighting anime. Comparatively Saint Seiya was far more combat focused and violent. Plots were simpler too. Athena gets kidnapped, go fight other saints and save her. Repeat. Dragon ball had a tad more meat than that, like the red ribbon arc..
why was the mattress like that
>>282337243>>282337122>No arguments
>>282337217>ignores the ghost aspect>repeats itself, flailing uselesslyCapitulation accepted.
>>282337161Amerimutts are scum but it's still funny how he won twice even after he talked shit about the country which is so badass.>>282337295I dunno, why are you American?
>>282334697It's pathetic how condescending many people here are to this show while are extremely critical of shows that do the same and are sometimes even more creative.
>>282337295Got fucked in exchange of an expired passport,
>>282337312You're expecting me to feel sad about them dying to begin with when we barely knew them at all? The ghost thing is another retarded aspect because Urokodaki's students can actually injure Tanjiro. So why isn't there just a group of ghosts that kill Muzan? Also, Urokodaki didn't know that Tanjiro was training with his dead students and Tanjiro didn't bring up until the end of the six months of training? Wtf?
guy is fighting demons in his head, anons, I feel bad for him
>>282337210This year was so low for animated films in general that if Infinite Castle manages to get a nomination next year I will not stop laughing at you.
>>282337303don't pretend you're arguing, faggot. anon effortposted to answer your claims and you pretended to be retarded in order to not engage properly. you post in bad faith, so fuck you, never try to bring this "u-uh, kny fans don't engage with me properly" whining here again, you exposed yourself as a fraud.
>Jeremy thread
>>282337407
>>282334697fpbp >>282335063What other manga with better writing?Kimetsu is so successful not just because of the animation but because the emotional beats are damn near perfect.
>>282334697It looks better than other shounen, and no, it does not have the worst writing. In fact, the writing is good for shounen standards.Not that that's saying anything.Also, very little filler - this is huge. Compare this shit to other traditional shounen which is just bullshit episode after bullshit episode and constant unending flashbacks.
>>282334697It's definitely not the worst writing ever, it's just very mediocre.Anyways, the answer's always the same: the anime adaptation made everything with pretty lights and "cool" SFX to impress low-IQs.>>282337521>because the emotional beats are damn near perfect.lmfao. Pick up a manga, dude.
>>282337571The entirety of Season 4 was filler
>>282337407>KPop Demon Hunters (#1 Billboard song)>Zootopia 2 (won an Oscar before)>Arco (got screened at Annecy who has VERY close connections to the Oscars)>Little Amelie (got screened at Annecy too)>Nezha 2 (beat Lion King)KPop Demon Hunters has more chances to get nominated before KnY that'll get cucked again from the Academy.KnY walked so KPop Demon Hunters could run.
>It's short, decently paced, easy to get into and caught up>Production values>Kids and women are picking it up because it's safe funIt's just super safe,.family friendly and has flashy production.
>>282337636Kpop demon hunters is american shit so yeah it might even win
>>282337636Be honest, what would you actually say if Infinite Castle wins an Oscar?
>>282337762>I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-IT DOESN'T COUNTPretty much? Just like it being a smashing box office hits that is shattering records everywhere.
>>282337676Nearly every film critic pretty much says KPop Demon Hunters will win this. I also think it'll win which is pretty based because Sony threw away an Oscar bait and sold it to Netflix lol.>>282337762>well, shit
>>282337386> The ghost thing is another retarded aspect because Urokodaki's students can actually injure TanjiroWhat ?What makes you think Tangerine didn’t hurt himself while interacting with the ghosts?The times the ghosts are present in KnY is when the character is undergoing under mental delirioum, remembering someone or in a dream-death like state like Nezuko sleeping… some cases even after the one interacting with the ghosts is already good and trepassed in the afterlife…How these ghosts should interact within the material world!? Are the KnY’s hater this level of retarded like that fag on YT saying that the series is misogynistic (despite having good and cool female characters and the writer being a biological woman) ?!
>>282337386I'm not expecting "you" to feel anything."You", as a single person, are irrelevant.No author believes his work will resonate with every single human being.It was enough for "me", and millions of others, and that's plenty enough. People get emotional over youtube shorts all the time. If you don't have a measurable way of showing what is "too little" in order to get the masses emotional, then you're just mentally masturbating over your own opinion. Who cares.>So why isn't there just a group of ghosts that kill Muzan?In canon, we haven't seen ghosts injure people outside of the mountain where Tanjiro trained. It's one of those isolated places where spooky shit happens. Even if I take your whining seriously, we could just turn it into powerlevel faggotry and say Muzan is too strong to job to ghosts, while newbie Tanjiro was weak enough to get his ass kicked. >Also, Urokodaki didn't know that Tanjiro was training with his dead students and Tanjiro didn't bring up until the end of the six months of training? Pointing out irrelevant shit that was only written like that to get a cool scene out of it is so pedantic. Hey, did you know that Gojou got to the school late in the first chapter of JJK because he was buying souvenirs? So funny, right? Only Megumi, his adopted son, was gonna fucking die because Gojou got there late. Megumi only survived because Itadori ate Sukuna's finger. Sounds stupid, right? Yeah, but it's such a small detail, so irrelevant, that nobody gives a shit.
>>282334697You know Demon Slayer's writing is bad because no one ever gives a fuck about the manga. Ufotable really made a miracle.
>>282334697It's not THAT bad writing wise, it's like a 5It does what it needs to do, but in a repetitive and seen before way
>>282337892>*shattering anime records everywhere.FTFY. Anyway, KPop Demon Hunters will most likely win this and that's a good thing, because I hate Sony and Aniplex is a subsidiary of Sony so I hate Aniplex too. Sony literally sold away an Oscar potential lol.
>>282338136Wait , jeremy will claim that “gojo being a retard and letting megumi die” is good writing because THATZ DA POINT or MHU THEMES!no matter if the executions sucks and makes no sense, Jeremy believes that DA POINT and MHU THEMES>>>>>>>> everything else
>>282338179LOOOL that's why the manga ended in 2020 and still is making bank. 220m to be exact
>>282338267Not snk considering that right after it ended no one is talking about it anymore and the Levi chapter barely sold anything
>>282338249>animeNo, foreign movie records too, like in USA where it had the best opening for a foreign movie, ever.And even has a chance to become the #1 foreign movie in it.But I guess it doesn't count, because reasons.> hate Sony and Aniplex is a subsidiary of Sony so I hate Aniplex too.back to this when the only thing you hate is kimetsu for being FAR more popular than whatever series you like.
>>282338179LOL
>>282337762>>282337892>>282338013I don't think kny will win the oscar, but if somehow it do, I will believe there's a god out there who's only purpose is to fuck with Jeremy and his predictions.
>>282338267kny sold 200M in 2022then sold 220m in 2025so manga only sold 20m in 3 yearssales only increase when anime is around just like snk and when the anime is away it stops selling
>>282334697>worst writing in shonen history?Read more shonen. Yes, Kimetsu is a Bleach/Saint Seiya ripoff, but it's a great one. Even it's worst arc (Swordsmith Village) it's a 5/10 forgettable one.Yoshiwara is an 8-9/10 depending on how much you enjoy the setting and characters there but the story is simply solid and pushing the story the way it needed it to be after Mugen Train. Infinity Castle is a fantastic final arc after watching many other drag the shit out to infinity (heh) and it deserves its page count even if Countdown to Dawn was a little too repetitive in my eyes.
>>282338339>kny sold 200M in 2022You literally have no source for this, only 150 million in 2020.So, 70 million in five years with 2 million/volume average overseas.
>>282338339Yes, that's usually how it works in general
>>282338296What's something people talk about a lot after it ended? Naruto gets dunked on. It's sequel is pure fucking trash. Bleach was dead until Pierrot dug its corpse up to finish the last part of the manga. Dragon Ball was dead for over decade plus until they pulled its corpse out of the ground and pissed on it with Super.
>>282338301>No, foreign movie records tooNot really, see picrel.>>282338301>And even has a chance to become the #1 foreign movie in it.Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Now adjust inflations and convert 2000 money to 2025 money.
>>282338424The answer is no, most discussion is overdone by the time a manga ends, but some very autistic people think that's an indication of a series being "dead" so they need to spam it to make it "relevant". Is like saying Paprika is "bad", or "dead" because we don't have constant Satoshi Kon threads.
>>282338331>82.345.447Holy fuck lmao who can even come close to that
>>282338353are the KnY arcs copied from Bleach or what?
>>282338481>adjusting for inflationRetard.Always retarded.
>>282336646My favorite one was: "No one is going to see it, because the NFL season will start the same week"
>>282338353I see the Bleach influences but what Saint Seiya stuff do you see in Kimetsu?
>>282338526>>adjusting for inflationYes.
This is your occasional reminder that Infinity Fortress + Countdown to Sunrise is a top 3 stretch in Weekly Shonen Jump History if we go by reader voting and TOC placement, and none of its rivals' ending arcs (BNHA, JJK, Chainsaw Man Part 1) get even close to it.
>>282336705>Demon Slayer is more a triumph of good advertising than creativity.Nigger, the first season wasn't big until episode 18.
>>282338559Mostly the high emotion thing, characters get their bodies destroyed in every fight and they get overwhelmed by big emotions. Saint Seiya also had a lot of crying.
>>282338136>It was enough for "me", and millions of others, and that's plenty enough. People get emotional over youtube shorts all the time. If you don't have a measurable way of showing what is "too little" in order to get the masses emotional, then you're just mentally masturbating over your own opinion. Who cares.Appeal to popularity and not an argument. >In canon, we haven't seen ghosts injure people outside of the mountain where Tanjiro trained. It's one of those isolated places where spooky shit happens. Even if I take your whining seriously, we could just turn it into powerlevel faggotry and say Muzan is too strong to job to ghosts, while newbie Tanjiro was weak enough to get his ass kicked.So they did injure him. So they can affect the real world. So why isn't there a ghost army fighting muzan? The counter argument you brought up is literal headcanon. Why even have the ghosts do this if you're not going to follow the logical consequences of it? >Pointing out irrelevant shit that was only written like that to get a cool scene out of it is so pedantic. Hey, did you know that Gojou got to the school late in the first chapter of JJK because he was buying souvenirs? So funny, right? Only Megumi, his adopted son, was gonna fucking die because Gojou got there late. Megumi only survived because Itadori ate Sukuna's finger. Sounds stupid, right? Yeah, but it's such a small detail, so irrelevant, that nobody gives a shit.Appeal to triviality. Why didn't Tanjiro mention his students in the entire time he was training with Urokodaki? There's no reason why he wouldn't bring them up. All he has to do is say >I didn't know you were training more people other than meAnd the entire thing would have been revealed much earlier.
>>282338542Actually, the movie DID suffer a drop off and a big one too on Monday. It had a drop off of -69% because of the NFL and Friday a football horror movie is dropping. It went kamikaze on OW which makes sense because anime movies depends on them and they make all of their money on OW anyway.
>>282338559Bleach copied the Gotei 13 from SS. Flashbacking into the Gold/Pillars past/tragedy was the bread n butter in SS. IProtecting Nezuko/Athena was the character main motivation.
>>282337321I have nothing personal against Kimetsu, but most people on this board are just failed normalfags, and since Kimetsu is massive with normalfags, many of the fags here dick ride it to feel like they're part of the club, even if only for a moment.
>>282338692calm down faggot
>>282338667>MondayBecause... it's not the weekend? This is the movie you defend as having great legs by the way>70% drop on monday
>>282338559Honest melodrama without a hint of post-modern irony.Strenght of familial bonds taking center-stage in character motivations.Overpowered-yet-tragic enemies, although ironically the Asgard filler arc is the most "KnY-like" one in the original TV series.Most important sequence of fights has a location-heavy atmosphere (Sanctuary, the Underworld, the Infinity Fortress) instead of happening in some random forest like most shonen.
How does someone get their asshole stretched, publicly, in broad daylight, for all to witness, and STILL beg for more 2 days later?
>>282338559>Saori gets kidnapped and put on a death contracption that will kill her in [number] hours>The Saints must beat the [Number] [Warrior Synonym] of [Greek Deity]>SADOMASOCHISM HAPPENS>Seiya faces the main bad guy, gets his shit beaten and just keeps losing and taking inhuman amounts of damage until the universe basically decides that anyone who can take that much shit and stand deserves to be thrown a bone>DEUS EX MACHINA>The Saints win. Saori lives. They pretty much fucking murder everyone elseRinse and repeat three or four times. That's the whole plot of Saint Seiya. Every arc after Sanctuary is just a repetition of the Twelve Houses. Demon Slayer is the same. It has the same rinse and repeat plot and every arc is a repetition of Mugen Train.>The Demon Slayers must beat the [Number] [Demon]>Get thrashed around for awhile>Flashback to the demon/pillar's tragic backstory as they're about to die>DEUS EX MACHINA>Minimal character development tied to the demon/pillar's suffering>Move on to the next demon
>>282338692>but most people on this board are just failed normalfagsVisit any non shonenspic thread and you can't see this isn't true.
>>282338667>Actually, the movie DID suffer a drop off and a big one too on Monday.There are games the entire weekend, retard. It still made 70 million.
>>282338741But The Conjuring is shit and it also got hurt by the NFL which is pretty cool too. And I hope that Jordan Peele movie takes away even more of its money.I'm tired of demon hunting stories.
>>282338809And yet, you said it had GREAT legs, CURIOUS.
>>282336982Someone please make one for the passport arc.
>>282338805Because of pre-sales, idiot. Anime fans ALWAYS show up on opening days to watch a movie then it falls off after opening days.
>>282334697To be the best you need two things, be good enough and luck, Demon Slayer tackled both, this gets a plus from being a battle shounen which has a wide appeal for whatever reason, that's the part you can analyze.
>>282334697I never watched it, but I did watch the mp4s on /gif/.
>>282338827Just because I say it has great legs doesn't mean I like the movie itself. I think it's a piece of shit and I have a demon hunting fatigue.
>>282338809Hereditary is the most garbage horror movie to ever exist, and is the most popular horror movie to ever exist, I don't think the content matters for this discussion.
>>282338353Is the Swordsmith Village Arc really that bad or it was overshadowed by the kino that is the Entertainment Arc?
>>282338891>it has great legs>when kimetsu has the same legsThanks for agreeing kimetsu is having good legs in USA.
>>282338571>from 175 ownards it never goes below 3rd place againdamn
>>282334697I watched the whole first season, but didn’t care to watch anymore of it.I just didn’t love the characters.
Akaza having his flashback while headless was unintentionally hilarious
>>282338858>Because of pre-salesSo people cared about it more than the NFL that they bought their ticket early? Kek, little bitch.
>>282334697>Classic themes.Japanese people are suckers for shows about familial bonds, unlike westerners who hate their parents and enjoy stories about found family better.>A hint of nationalism.Sword fights, taking place solely in Japan, and in the past. A sprinkle of vague buddhism and shintoism. The enemies are called demons instead of vampires.>Marketable genre.Action shonen, which is currently the most popular manga genre. Specifically urban fantasy, which is more popular and more accepted by casuals compared to high fantasy and science fiction which are seen as nerdy.>Super accessible.No overtly sexual scenes. Minimal gore. The fights are easy to follow. Tanjiro narrates every action and emotion that even a 3 years old can understand it. And the only offputting thing about the manga, the horrible art, was fixed by the anime.People do NOT care about writing as long as it is serviceable.And it became popular worldwide because it was popular in japan.
>>282338919It literally only made $5 million after opening days then made $5 million again yesterday, not a sign of great legs. Conjuring made $5 million after its opening days then went on to make $7 million the day after. >>282338985>So people cared about it more than the NFLNot really. All it means is that weebs were early to show up and they are hyped and ready to support the things they like.
>>282339021>I don't think that KPop will win anything eitherThat movie literally smashed the Billboard charts. It's the first movie ever to have four songs simultaneously chart in the Top 10. The Academy has to be dumb to snub it.
>>282335642>Pay off with no set up>No explanation for anythingThese are both good things that set the tone for the manga. It's not meant to be fucking HxH or World Trigger. Those are different kinds of works. It's like complaining that the author doesn't explain exactly how the monster's powers work in a horror manga, and how it got them. Not everything needs to be autistically laid out to satisfy your broken brain.
>>282338725I'm pretty calm lol, can't say the same about you.>>282338770>hate lolis>love gay/tranny characters>worship any trendy anime that is also worshipped by normafags Frieren/Bocchi the Rock/KimetsuThis board is practically Twitter and Facebook but with more racism.
>>282338910It's bad. You have Tanjiro solo trying to push 3 very simple characters while wasting a LOT of time in Swordsmith shit. It mostly just sets up shit:> Sets up Sun Breathing & Yoriichi and Red Blades> Sets up Kokushibo's descendant, kinda> Sets up Genya's death & Sanemi's POV The most important thing is at the end with Nezuko's Sun Inmunnity trigerring the Endgame while the rest of the arc literally doesn't matter that much. You could have delivered the same information without the UM fights and save them for Infinity Castle.
>>282338353>shounen having 10/10 writingbullshit>shounen having slightly above 5/10, like 5.5 or 6maybeeven SnK is better than KnY in terms of writing
>>282339095>>hate lolisWhat? Go to any thread and lolis are there. Some anons darin their wallets entirety on them in buyfag. >>love gay/tranny charactersSadly true, I blame yurifaggotry being a protected class here. >>worship any trendy anime that is also worshipped by normafags Frieren/Bocchi the Rock/KimetsuFrieren & Kimetsu were beloved here since the manga serialization. You are correct with Bocchi, though.
>>282339147>even SnK is better than KnY in terms of writingLol no Kny actually managed to achieve the "bittersweet" ending unlike SnK
>>282339021Yeah it's not getting awards, let's be real.>>282339075>The Academy has to be dumb to snub it.They are. Watch as the movies that get nominated are complete random whos.
>>282339023>Conjuring made $5 million after its opening days then went on to make $7 million the day after.So... basically the same, despite being nicher, thanks.
>>282338637>Appeal to popularityRetard, your "argument" is literally "Appeal to my Personal Opinion", which is just the same argument I'm making, but it presents even less incentive for the author to change anything.I will say it again: if you don't have an objective metric to show "how little is too little", saying "it was too little for me personally" is irrelevant. What you call "appeal to popularity" is just you getting your butt fucked by reality and realizing your personal biases hold no weight to what others consider "good enough".>literal headcanonDo you have any examples of ghosts injuring any character stronger than starved, exhausted newbie Tanjiro? Yeah, didn't think so.>Why even have the ghosts do this if you're not going to follow the logical consequences of it?Because the author wanted to, and your personal autism is not a limiter to other's creative freedom. Too bad.>Appeal to triviality.Call it "appeal to KnY being at the very least on the same writing level as JJK" and we're good to go.>the entire thing would have been revealed much earlier.For what purpose? It was all written with the little reveal that they were ghosts in mind. That was the only reason it was written like that. Your pet peeve is indeed trivial and I'm sorry your mind gets stuck in this kinda thing, it sounds like a pain in the ass.
>>282339199ending is literally just one chapter, not much of a writingalso SnK looks bittersweet enough, not necessarily happy nor sad
IMO a part of is that the story features traditional values, which is rare in both Western movies and Japanese anime.
>>282338910It is a decent 7/10 arc sandwitched between the two great arcs like Mugen Train and RLD and that massive kino that is Infinity Castle.It has its flaws and can be a bit boring , which doesn’t help the fact is the most safe arc of the manga since no one dies or is permanently injured (and it being not good enough was the kickstart of the “KnY Actually sucks/it is overhyped shit!” On YouTards)It is still better than Natagumo Mountain and some of the set ups are extremely important for the kino awaiting right after in IC.So being strictly set up arc for the following arc redeemed it alot since it actually delivered
>How did it become so popular despite having some of the worst writing in shonen historyContrarian take, KnY writing is by the numbers. If you want to see bad writing take a look at the isekai genre.
>>282339204Lame if it happens. But I still believe KPop will win.>>282339185Not really. Unless you're Miyazaki or Hosoda (not gonna make it ngl), the Academy generally doesn't acknowledge anime. And it's a movie based on a TV show and the Academy has 0 tolerance of that. There's a reason why sequel movies rarely ever win.>>282339207Still not a sign of having good legs.
People take the Oscars seriously?
>>282339112Imo, the arc also shows off the true power of the current Hashira and gives the Demon Slayers a much needed win.Given how Daki and Gyutaro boasted having killed many Hashira, the audience may wonder how the Demon Slayer corps survived and whether the Hashira matter against the Upper Moons.
>>282339343>traditional valueshuh?
>>282337158qrd?
>>282339475Something something family
>naruto and wan piss popular>fags are okay people shitting on them>kny popular>fags are not okay people shitting on itknyfags are just fmabfags with their "it has god-tier writing guise I swear"
>>282339336Snk ending was edgy shit, Kimetsu is what a bittersweet ending looks like
>>282339443>the arc also shows off the true power of the current Hashira and gives the Demon Slayers a much needed winWe already have seen Giyuu, Shinobu, Rengoku and Uzui to show us the current level. They still save the tops like Gyomei and Sanemi until the final arc. I think that Gyutaro's fight with Tokito being shown in Infinity Castle instead would make his death against Koku much more understandable after fighting a UM 1 on 1. I don't think I can think how to move Hantengu's fight to IC, he just wins fighting there, he just runs away with Nakime support.
>>282339541No, we were fine with the normal shounen shitting until some autism took the flag of Kimetsu hating and then it became funnier to milk him as a lolcow.
>>282339345It is literally the "Natagumo Mountain" of post-Rengoku KnY. >introduces the past of characters that will only payoff later (Zenitsu and Inosuke on NM, Mitsuri and Muichiro in SV)>introduces new power system concepts (Hinokami Kagura in NM, Red Blade in SV)>introduces lore about Tanjiro's family and the mystery of the earrings>very final portion is focused on the Tanjiro/Nezuko bond>Nezuko payoff for all the mystery about what made her different from other demons>the anime even beats us over the head with it by finishing the climax of NM with Tanjiro Kamado no Uta, then finishing the climax of SV with Nezuko Kamado no UtaSwordsmith Village is just Natagumo Mountain revisited and a setup for the final arc, its only real sin is not meeting the sky-high expectations the readers had after RLD, which was essentially the payoff for the entire first half of the story.
>>282339171>Go to any thread and lolis are thereA few loli series get threads, but you'll rarely see a thread about lolis in general or people posting lolis in random threads. It's also much easier to get insulted here for posting a loli than for posting a tranny character.
>>282339541It's like the other dude said, Covid traumatized the entire world from hell to back that KnY became some kind of comfort anime which is weirdIf Covid didn't happen, people would shit on it for being Hitman Reborn tier writing and forget it even exists except as a "oh yeah that happened"Funny enough, both KnY and Hitman Reborn are written by a woman which might explain the bad writing
>>282337571>In fact, the writing is good for shounen standards.If a rinse & repeat plot full of asspulls and flashbacks is good for shonen standards, then Naruto is a masterpiece.>Also, very little filler - this is huge.We are in 2025, anon, not in 2005. The filler era stopped long time ago.>Compare this shit to other traditional shounen which is just bullshit episode after bullshit episode and constant unending flashbacks.You just described the plot of Demon Slayer.
>>282339495https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/282268600
>>282339021>>282339075Kpop demon hunters will be Ignored now that It Is public knowledge It was made using AI
>>282339541One Piece and Naruto also get a lot of shit from normalfags, especially One Piece. If normalfags loved them universally like they do Kimetsu, the people here would do the same.
>>282339420I don't, but I always find it funny how Aniplex are desperate to be validated by Hollywood but Hollywood don't care about Aniplex and they ignored Mugen Train even when it was the top movie of 2025. Didn't even make it to the shortlist, lol. Then Miyazaki won and even got a BAFTA and Palme d'Or just to rub salt to the wound. Aniplex won't let that go, they REALLY want to prove they're ichiban.
>>282339778It is impossible to properly convey the bliss I feel from having invested in knycoin very early on. You see, this short 8/10 shonen about killing vampires that reads like a JoJo Phantom Blood fanfic already had a special place in my heart before I watched a single anime episode, but then it just exploded everywhere, giving me the opportunity to talk about it with friends, relatives and anons of the internet. Better yet, the nonstop seething it causes on a very particular type of human being brings me a curious sense of joy. I see these poor souls struggle helplessly as they get trampled by the stampede of undeniable worldwide success, screaming that it should not be so, that it somehow "doesn't count" because of this, or that, while trying to assert their views to an audience that clearly doesn't care about their butthurt screeching, and better yet, only sees it as a source of mockery.These are the facts, my friends:This franchise was blessed by the Heavens, just like its author, Koyoharu Gotouge.Divine Forces have decided it would be uplifited high above its peers, no matter what, no matter how. That it would keep winning, despite the despair of those who would wish to see it fail.Ufotable? Sony? Covid? Lockdowns?Every available tool that could be materialized in the fabric of reality somehow worked just right and changed the course of destiny, pushing KnY to new heights. It went to soar way above what its religious author could ever have envisioned.How mysterious!Gotouge wrote a story about Gods and ghosts literally pushing the noble-hearted heroes to defeat wicked monsters and send them to hell.And somehow, this story in particular, that focused on basic morality and family bonds way more than its "cooler", more "stylish" and more "subversive" peers, was pushed by a very specific set of circumstances into becoming a megahit that would reach every corner of this planet. Oh, my.Is this what it feels like to receive the Mandate of Heaven?
>>282334697>Worst writing Will seethingfags admit at some point that one of the reasons Kimetsu is so popular is because of its solid writing?
>>282339940It also pushed jeremy to the depths of insanity.Also to admitting he's a refugee stealing expired passports.
The author went from serious to typical shonenslop at the request of editors. The series actually improved once she went back to writing a serious story, albeit with shonenshit baked in.The first 3 arc are vapid, but grew on me the second the characters get actual stakes beyond "survive super villain demons"
>>282339420not just the oscars, but oscars for animation, which is comprised of judges who dom't watch the movies and let their kids vote and will go 9/10 to disney.look it up, until like a few years ago only 5 oscars weren't disney and 2 of those 5 disney simply didn't have a movie that year
It’s purely mediocre but unlike most battle shounen it didn’t over stay its welcome. That alone makes it easy to watch/read since there isn’t 1000 chapters of filler. Felt like it was written with an ending in mind instead of purposefully written to be milked for 20 years.
>>282339940>walls of text
>>282339940>This franchise was blessed by the Heavens, just like its author, Koyoharu Gotouge.I don't know man, I think they screwed her over when they paid her 30k for a movie that made 500 million. I really hope she got a better deal for the Infinity Castle trilogy.
>>282339940I kneel anon. Demon Slayer is gonna live rent free on them until the end of times. We are gonna forget about it but they are gonna keep it alive by pure seething force.
>>282340093>manga sales>merch salesGotouge is already so, so rich in a >my great grandchildren won't have to workway.
>>282340129Yeah, she probably made a few million sure but the movie money is ridiculous. I think Ufotable is making like 10% of that and it's paying the bills of the whole studio for a decade.
>>282339875Lmao One Piece is way bigger than KnY. It gets marketing deals, has a massive TCG and has $200 million+ live action adaption.
>>282340059The petlike loli imoutou and autistic spazz zenitsu getting axed as traits in a few chapters was the best idea and should have happened gradually over volumes.
>>282340093>Heavens also protect Gotouge from having an amount of money so obscene it could darken their soul, keeping them just "mega-rich" instead of "ultra-rich", thus avoiding the risk of falling into hellThe blessings just keep coming.
>>282340076IMO KnY was too short for what it initially suggested. There was nowhere near enough character development independent of the plot or side arcs or even basic delivery on the worldbuilding implied by the power system (It's hard to materialize Pillars and Moons as elites when they're seemingly more common than weaker entities). It should have been about twice as long AT LEAST to do what shounen longrunners typically do in terms of character attachment and cultural impact. Ring of fire much pretty but in 10 years nobody will care about KnY, but they'll still be talking about OP, HxH, Bleach, Naruto, Fairy Tail, etc because those are (literal narrative) epics that people really got in with. KnY had a mediocre run and was produced as a typical seasonal for the anime. Sleeper to fluke and back again.
>>282339940KnY is also a series that the general public enjoy. It doesn't pander to fujos like jjk or nard and snk and therebefore they are not the target audience.
>>282339263>Retard, your "argument" is literally "Appeal to my Personal Opinion", which is just the same argument I'm making, but it presents even less incentive for the author to change anything.No. It isn't. You're saying that many people found it emotionally compelling, therefore it's actually well written. That's an appeal to popularity. >Do you have any examples of ghosts injuring any character stronger than starved, exhausted newbie Tanjiro? Yeah, didn't think so.Doesn't matter. The fact they did that at all, proves that they can affect the real world? Why isn't there a ghost army fighting muzan? Explain without headcanon.>Because the author wanted to, and your personal autism is not a limiter to other's creative freedom. Too bad.So you don't have an argument. I'm allowed to call out the author for their shit writing. Nobody here said they couldn't write what they wanted to. I'm allowed to call it shit. >Call it "appeal to KnY being at the very least on the same writing level as JJK" and we're good to goNon-argument. >For what purpose? It was all written with the little reveal that they were ghosts in mind. Because it makes no sense writing wise. Why wasn't this revealed earlier?
>>282340074Oh I know about that. Remember seeing it uncovered by/co/ back in 2011
>>282340219You type like a faggotAnd Vagabond is midEiji Yoshikawa >>>> that chuuni mangaNice art tho
>>282340180>a few millionDude, wani makes 10% of the manga sales, 220x5$ each.And another good chunk of every single merch released.
>>282339840oh my fucking lord my sides
>>282340182>and has $200 million+ live action adaption.And yet, it doesn't measure to a 20 million movie.FUNNY.
>>282340078Tldr, KnY won
>>282340224Comparing these shitty nu-shounens to the big 3 is a fucking insult.Yes, Naruto did turn to shit at some point with some highlights here and there after that point.Yes, Bleach did destroy itself after Soul Society arc (which is still one of the best shounen arcs ever made, top 15 easily) but even after that it had kino moments.One Piece was consistently good until the time skip and then followed the example of the other 2 big ones, became shit with big highlights then went back to being shit again.Despite that, all these nu-garbage shounens like JJK, BNHA or KNY do not compare to the big 3 when they were at their peak. They're just more consistent but they never hit the same highs.These nu-shounen are only saved by their anime versions having good music and occasionally amazing sakuga animation moments that turn "meh" manga moments into hype anime scenes. Otherwise they're completely garbage and consistently mediocre.If any of these 3 were released back in 2005-6 at the heyday of Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, they would have been canceled after 6 weeks of serialization.
>>282340260They don't make much on merch, some authors have said that the standard is 2% and a flat fee, some claim that it's 5% and have to share with the publisher.
>>282340219>Heavens also also protected Gotouge's identity for this long
>>282340255i was an animation student (a waste of money) and we got to meet an actual oscar judge (although he was for vfx) and he confirmed as much. the whole category is a ghetto because some judges seethed that beauty and the beast got nominated along "real" movies.
>>282340339>One Piece was consistently good until the time skip and then followed the example of the other 2 big ones, became shit with big highlights then went back to being shit again.In what fucking way does post timeskip mess anything up that pre timeskip established?
>>282340260I ran the numbers and that's some bank, I really hope that taxes didn't rape her winnings.
>>282340182I don't know why you mention that. One Piece is popular, yes, everyone knows that, but it's also one of the most hated shonen series, if not the most.
>>282340470>it's also one of the most hated shonen series, if not the mostThe hilarious part is that it's hated by people that don't read it or are barely able to read lmao.
>>282334697solid premise plus ufotable fixed the only fault you could find in the manga (before it ended at least)
>>282340470I don't get on Leleddit but I see very little hate here. Naruto on the other hand gets massive hate and even had hate meme associated with it.
>>282340504To be fair, reading One Piece it's a compromise.
>>282340470one piece is like drakeit's bigger than everyone else and bigger than anime itself so it attracts the most haters no matter how much fags try to cancel it and seethe about it, it only grows bigger
>>282340236>You're saying that many people found it emotionally compelling, therefore it's actually well written.You have even less than that. You have an ASSERTION that it's not well-written, based on your feelings. So? What do we even do with that?>Doesn't matter. Not an argument, don't dodge the question. If you're just gonna ignore what I ask, I don't have to answer your shit either.>I'm allowed to call it shit.Not an argument. I didn't say you couldn't call it whatever you want. I also think your way of engaging with media is boring, pedantic and sad. Also shit.>Non-argument.It delivered my point across and solidified my position that you have a personal bias against KnY. >Why wasn't this revealed earlier?You clearly suffer of a neurodivergent focus when you read comics. It wasn't revelead earlier because it would be boring and go on a tangent that didn't improve the story in anyway. Sabito being a ghost relates to Giyu's past, it has a solid payoff. The presentation was just the author's personal preference. Honestly, you're just pedantic for the sake of it.
>>282340539Its commitment, not a compromise.
>>282340539At least you have the officials now, I read it on the Niggastream era. Newfags don't know real struggle.
>Trying to incite cross anime fightingHorrible form.
>>282340573>You have even less than that. You have an ASSERTION that it's not well-written, based on your feelings. So? What do we even do with that?Explain to me how barely knowing these characters makes it sad when they're killed off for a start. >Not an argument, don't dodge the question. If you're just gonna ignore what I ask, I don't have to answer your shit either.Because your question has nothing to do with my argument. My argument isn't the fact that they did this to Tanjiro when he was weakened and beaten up, my argument is about the fact they did this at all and why isn't there a ghost army fighting Muzan if they can affect the real world. It makes no sense and you're doing a shit job of defending it. >Not an argument. I didn't say you couldn't call it whatever you want. I also think your way of engaging with media is boring, pedantic and sad. Also shit.This sounds like more seething over my correct arguments and criticisms about this series. Try not to make it so obvious. >It delivered my point across and solidified my position that you have a personal bias against KnY.I have a bias against media that's complete shit. >You clearly suffer of a neurodivergent focus when you read comics. It wasn't revelead earlier because it would be boring and go on a tangent that didn't improve the story in anyway. The characters in this story are not thinking about how their actions would make a good story. Having ghosts be revealed didn't improve the show in any way and it doesn't make sense why Tanjiro wouldn't reveal them to Urokodaki for six months.
>>282339622Eh , the reason i consider Natagumo mountain the weaker arc aren’t too much about the set ups minus one thing>Zenitsu is still into “very annoying zone”, mostly because goutoge still had to learn how to balance him>inosuke kinda too despite acceptable since he still has to develop and the two were the first people of his age interacting with>brother and father kinda sucks as enemies for zenitsu and inosuke, father especially was very lame unga bunga beatstick>the red shirts being THAT level of jobbers, to the point of most of them not even showing an actual breathing effect, which is kinda weird also in Infinity Castle>yeah, Tanjirou unlocking the Sun breathing with “oh my dancing dad” kinda happens without a proper set up until that point. Like Eren’s first transformation, it get better once the whole thing is properly explored and the stuff with the sun breathing get cooler rather than “chosen one super special hax” a la IchigoBut most or these are due to it being the very first proper arc of the manga, up until that moment it was mostly episodic battle with a bit of plot, and she definitely got better since Mugen train.
>>282340525The hate towards Naruto, at least at the peak of its popularity, was more about fans suffocating everyone with their fanaticism than about the series itself. With One Piece it's different: the length, the art/character designs, the relevance and prominence. The hate towards One Piece runs much deeper than it did for Naruto.
>>282334697Easy to follow, likeable zero to hero main character, beautiful girls, good animation, good music.
>>282335809>His family is not real. Tanjiro is not real. The writer has to put in the work to make us care about them.It is the same for your favorite fictional character.>>282335921And learn nothing from the film, only to be copied on the most superficial level.>>282335126Wasn't MHA big before covid?
>>282334697i don't think normies cared about writing when watching animethey just wanted something to watch because of COVID and demon slayer delivered
>>282336069If you want "memes" Japanese use it plenty.
KnY is successful because Ufotable was involved. The art and animation is flashy and unique (Compared to anime in general, Ufotable's stuff all kind of look the same). Add in a simple story that a toddler could follow alongside power levels and "2 deep 4 u" content (muh tragic backstory) and you have a guaranteed success.The wide appeal means kids and adults can enjoy it and people enjoy things that are simple. KnY is a great anime, but it's great in a way that's extremely superficial and that rubs people who aren't casuals the wrong way.
>>282341422>rubs people who aren't casuals the wrong way.Uuuuh, I feel you are referring to contrarians here.I can tell you I've watched far more anime and read far more manga than you, and I still like it, because there's just so much garbage around.
How many times are we going to have this thread?
>>282341499Until Denmark makes sure illegal immigrants with expired passports are kicked out
>>282334697>hey guys I hate what's popular>am I special yet?No, you're predictable and boring. Go away.
>>282334697>some of the worst writing in shonen historyLike how? It's significantly better than MHA and JJK and those are its direct competition.You are overly hyperbolic and living in delusion.
>>282341527>Mbappe mindbroke KNYfag>Mads Mikkelsen also mindbroke KNYfagEurochads always one step ahead
>>282334767>Cool sword fights, cool animation, cool music, cool charactersSwap swordfights with martial arts/energy blasts and I call this the Fusion Reborn Theorem
>>282338679>Nezuko as AthenaMakes sense, she's a holy grail for every overpowered bishie villain who make going after her and her defenders a big part of their winning strategy, and literally wields Victory as her weapon.
>>282341743>Like how? It's significantly better than MHA and JJK and those are its direct competition.All of this is explained here.>>282335642
>>282339962It's literally because of COVID.
>>282342771>thing that happened a solid year before covid
>>282339962>because of its solid writingGood jokeMarketing is the reason whyMarketing is kingIf you shill your shit hard enough you'll make it
>>282342816COVID is what gave the series it's massive viewership.
>>282342858If that's the only reason why can't they replicate the effect with every other shonen slop movie?
>>282342871It was before Covid
>>282340824>Explain to me howBad faith framing. Episode 1 is not about making you "super sad", it sets up that Tanjiro's situation for the rest of the story. "Why should the author show a sad thing on episode 1" is just a stupid question. The writer wanted Tanjiro's family to get killed at the beggining, should they have to write 3 chapters of slice of life before doing so? Oh, not enough for you? 5 chapters, then?Again, your quibbles are stupid. >my argument is about the fact they did this at allYour argument is shit. You saw something happening "at all", and while not being given any further details, quickly extrapolates to the most extreme possible scenario. Hey, there was a slayer stronger than Muzan in the past! Why isn't there another in the present time??? "Why isn't Muzan being attacked by an army of Yoriichis??"You don't argue to reach a better understanding or find common ground, it's just petty complaints about shit that even Gotouge's editors never thought twice about, because they knew it would have zero effect on a normal reader's enjoyment.>This sounds like more seethingJust take the crumbs of attention I'm giving you with some grace, everybody else always ignores you in these threads because you're an uninteresting conversation partner.>I have a biasGlad you are able to admit it, that's a small step in the right direction!>Having ghosts be revealed didn't improve the show in any waySabito being a ghost pays off both as a callback and a reveal involving one of the most relevant characters in the franchise. You are objectively wrong.
>>282342935No, it wasn't COVID is what popularized it.
>>282342963>got EXTREME popularity worldwide through episode 19>in japan it was already booming Dude, it was not covid.
>>282334697same reason MCU slop got popularit's nothing special but it's good enough and easily accessible to normalfags and it became something you need to watch so you can talk about it with friends
>>282342910I dunno did they have Sony Music by their side?
>>282342963You're getting your arguments confused, the COVID bullshit was to explain why Mugen train did a gazillion dollars
Since KnY is basically capeshit complete with flowing clothes, will it pass Superman's box office, the biggest cape story of the year? It already beat Thunderbolts, the closest superhero movie to it where a team of maladjusted underdog heroes fight an invincible villain trapping them in a dark nightmarish dimension but hugging saves the day.
Zoomers need an easy hook, flashy and consistent animation, and a story simple, but effective enough and they will flock to it like flies on shit. No hate, though. Every generation needs their gateway. It's the faggots who stay in this lane and never branch out that are the problem, like Narutards in the past, who flooded the internet with their uneducated opinions. Old /a/ would have trolled and spam this show to death in the past to scare away the normalfags. Elitism is truly dead.
>>282343020Yes?
>>282342957>Bad faith framing. Episode 1 is not about making you "super sad", it sets up that Tanjiro's situation for the rest of the story. "Why should the author show a sad thing on episode 1" is just a stupid question. The writer wanted Tanjiro's family to get killed at the beggining, should they have to write 3 chapters of slice of life before doing so? Oh, not enough for you? 5 chapters, then?>Again, your quibbles are stupid.No, my problem is that we literally don't know almost anything about Tanjiro's family before they're killed off. You can't justify every death in fiction like this. Why should we care about them if we barely know them? Why should we care that Tanjiro cares if his relationship with them is only shown for 2 minutes? They should have provided more detail on the family and given them more time to grow on us before killing them off. It's literally that simple.>Your argument is shit. You saw something happening "at all", and while not being given any further details, quickly extrapolates to the most extreme possible scenario. Hey, there was a slayer stronger than Muzan in the past! Why isn't there another in the present time??? "Why isn't Muzan being attacked by an army of Yoriichis??"Yes, that's called taking what's shown in a story and following it to it's logical conclusion. Which is what you should do if you're writing any story. Don't introduce something if you aren't prepared to deal with the logical consequences of it. >Just take the crumbs of attention I'm giving you with some grace, everybody else always ignores you in these threads because you're an uninteresting conversation partner.Again, more seething over my objectively correct arguments.>Sabito being a ghost pays off both as a callback and a reveal involving one of the most relevant characters in the franchise. You are objectively wrong.But, it makes no sense. Why would Tanjiro not bring up to Urokodaki that he's been training with his students for six months?
>>282343058Old /a/ scanlated the fucking manga because no one would bother.
>>282343058nah old /a/ would've loved KnY the same way they loved Bleach
>>282343020Lots of them do?
>>282343061>Sony Music>Lisa with a billboard song (Sony artist btw)>plastered KnY shit everywhere>Aimer (Sony artist btw)>hyde from X Japan (Sony artist btw)It's always marketingGood writing is never the reason why shit succeeds It's always marketingSame reason why a lot of shit music are popular while good music struggle
>>282343117>>282343132Old /a/ also liked Naruto in the beginning before it got popular. It's more of a defense mechanism to keep the community insular.
>>282343117just because a little group of people translated the manga before everyone doesn't mean /a/ by large cared about it
>>282343163Is that the current cope?Aimer has worked with ufo a lot.Lisa's popularity blew up due to kimetsu's popularity.Sony music is behind a shitton of anime and none have blown up in this way.
>>282343163By that logic Oshi no Ko and Dandadan should be the biggest shit ever.
>>282343230Then what caused it to become popular? Because clearly, it wasn't writing.
>>282343212>cope cope cope ESL copeThere are many pretty anime with big names and promotion behind.PLENTY fuck up spectacularly due to shit writing.Hell, guilty crown is a perfect example.
>>282343230And who are Ufo mainly working with?AniplexAnd who owns Aniplex?Sony MusicMarketing is king, always was always will beGood writing doesnt mean shit
>>282343260>refuses the answer given because he doesn't like itSorry?
>>282343260Infinity castle arc was just that good, couple it with the anime airing at the same time BOOM
Anyone have that image of someone asking why something is popular and after getting an explanation asks "but why?"
>>282343262>meltywhat has that to do with anything i say ? chill out with your autism you sperg
>>282343292>>282343301As proven time and time again. Both the manga and the anime are written like complete shit. So, writing was not a factor in why it became popular.
>>282343230You can't gaslight me, I was here then, I posted in this very threadhttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/137485548/#q137485548
>>282343301>Infinity FlashbackThat only blew up thanks to the anime BTW. People bought the badly drawn manga after they watched the pretty anime.
>>282342514You didn't explain what its doing worse than all the other shonenslop at all though. You could apply every one of those criticisms to anything. As several anons already pointed out to you KnY does not have to be a flawless 10/10 masterpiece to not be the worst thing of all time.
imagine if it doesn't even like bnha
>>282343332>>282343332Wrong post meant for>>282343212
>>282343332yes a little group of people translated itdoesn't mean /a/ by large cared about itit wasn't until the anime that it got peoples attention anyway
>>282343350It pretends it doesnt and never cared about it.
>>282343107>we literally don't know almost anything How much did you know about John Wick's wife? How much did you know about Yuji's grandpa?I honestly have no ideia what bothers you so much. Ending chapter 1 on the hook IS more important than providing more details. It was enough for me, it wasn't for you. Too bad.>Don't introduce something if you aren't prepared to deal with the logical consequences of it.Bad faith again. It's not fucking time travel. Newbie Tanjiro outdueled Ghost Sabito after a few months. Ghosts are not strong enough to beat Muzan. Your autism is just flaring up OR you don't want to admit you focus too much on unimportant shit. >Why would Tanjiro not bring up to Urokodaki that he's been training with his students for six months?Tanjiro left early to train and when he came back at night, Urokodaki, who is an old man, was already sleeping. They barely interacted during that period, and there's not a single scene in canon stating otherwise. Is this possible? Not "very likely", but possible? Answer yes or no without running away.
>>282343380Damn lies.
>>282343350No, he does, he was a FERVENT decuck self inserter.Now he has to find new copes after it smashed every single predition it made for it.Like how it is factually the highest selling manga per volume and he has to make up imaginary sales (wikipedia mods won't listen to him).
>>282343349is not the worst shonenslop but is still a pretty shit shonenslopi talk about the manga of course is the worst drawn shit i ever readanime is so different from manga that i refuse to see them as the same
>>282343327You haven't proven shit, except the fact that you are a hater >>282343346And the anime didn't wrote itself. RetardIn
>>282343388Dont bother anon. You and every one knows he is nitpicking because he hates KnY. The funny thing is it has plenty of glaring flaws but hyperfocuses on the most random shit.
>>282343388>How much did you know about John Wick's wife? How much did you know about Yuji's grandpa?Far more than the family in Demon Slayer.>I honestly have no ideia what bothers you so much. Ending chapter 1 on the hook IS more important than providing more details. It was enough for me, it wasn't for you. Too bad.ESL kun, it's because there's nothing given about his family and there's no reason to care about any of them. >Bad faith again. It's not fucking time travel. Newbie Tanjiro outdueled Ghost Sabito after a few months. Ghosts are not strong enough to beat Muzan. Your autism is just flaring up OR you don't want to admit you focus too much on unimportant shit. No, don't introduce shit that you're not willing to follow through with the logical consequences. Ghost are plentiful and can affect the real world. How come there's no ghosts going against Muzan? Give me an explanation that's not headcanon. I'll be waiting forever on that though because there isn't any. >Tanjiro left early to train and when he came back at night, Urokodaki, who is an old man, was already sleeping. They barely interacted during that period, and there's not a single scene in canon stating otherwise. Is this possible? Not "very likely", but possible? Answer yes or no without running away.No, because literally the first day he could have asked "I didn't know you were training more people other than me." This falls apart under any scrutiny. There's scenes of them literally eating together.
>>282337407eh I think they'll pick Scarlet over thisthey usually go for the artsy fartsy anime movies
>>282343346WSJ readers loved IF before episode 19 and scored it hyper-high.We win, you lose,
>>282343411just because a thread has some activity doesn't mea /a/ at large cared about itjust shows it has a small dedicated groupsame with every niche manga that gets translated
>>282343509>Far more than the family in Demon Slayer.John wick's wife? the>I had cancer and diedone video character?
>>282343486anime =/= mangaanime is so different from manga is a whole different productmanga is draftsanime is final product
>>282343512Didn't Scarlet had bad critical reception?
>>282343501>The funny thing is it has plenty of glaring flaws but hyperfocuses on the most random shit.This is imply you pretending to be bipartisan, but you're completely partisan in favor of Demon Slayer.How is any of this minute and unimportant shit?>Pay off with no set upThe countless amount of asspulls such as Tanjiro's powerups, Zenitsu's rival that was barely shown ever through the manga, Rengoku's death, Genya turning good for no reason,>No explanation for anythingWe're never shown how the different demon slayer breathing forms are different. They're all functionally the same with no discernible weaknesses or strengths between them. If they are, they're briefly mentioned and never actually shown. No explanation for Genya's abilities or why he has them. Inosuke contorting his own organs to survive being impaled.>Emotional manipulation Rengoku's death, the constant demon backstories that don't inform any of their actions in the present, Tanjiro's backstory of his entire family dying when we didn't know any of them or even see their personalities.
>>282343522Yes, AFTER they watched the anime. Not before.>Regarding the series' sudden huge success, Weekly Shōnen Jump editor-in-chief Hiroyuki Nakano stated that the manga sales shot up straight after its anime adaptation finished, explaining that a large number of people watched the series through streaming services after it ended rather than watching it weekly. Nakano also stated that currently is harder for a manga series running in the magazine to become a hit, and Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba despite having started in February 2016, did not became a major hit until late 2019, adding that its "success hinged on word of mouth generated after the anime's run".
>>282343525This is why I hate animefags. Mangachads are the only ones keeping this board alive.
>>282343580Hi jeremy, still at it, forever trapped by a series you don't care about.
>>282343581copeanime >>>> manga
>>282343612>t. cancer killing the board
>>282339940Yes, KnY is awash in esoteric knowledge and symbols, very prescient for our time although most know nothing...UFOtable is anything but a coincidence
>>282343604>DeflectionNakano:>Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba despite having started in February 2016, did not became a major hit until late 2019, adding that its "success hinged on word of mouth generated after the anime's run".
>>282343623seetheanime is better than mangaalways been that way
>>282343509>Far more than the family in Demon Slayer.Resorting to lying now?Concession accepted. Not worth my time anymore.>Ghost are plentiful and can affect the real worldHeadcanon. All of them can? In which ways? Are they all equal in every aspect? No other ghosts are seen injurying people, on-screen, other than Sabito. The same way no other human is stronger than Muzan other than Yoriichi. Exceptions exist. You have no way of countering this assertion without coping. >NoOh, so it's impossible, as in "it could never happen"? Lying again. Boring.
>>282343661The manga that's making 220m? It must be bad huh
>>282343553Im not the anon you are arguing with dipshit. As a matter of fact you posted this same exact argument in another thread word for word.
Demon Slayer? My honorable successor.
>>282343697manga that sold thanks to animeanime >>>>> mangaanime will always be superior to ugly manga
>>282343580>people watch anime and then rank every single chapter in the Top 3 in the weekly magazine for the rest of its run.UFOtable confirmed for using MKUltra hypnosis, based.KnY really is blessed and invencible.
>>282343742>UFOtable confirmed for using MKUltra hypnosisI mean, when you put it that way and Japanese being the biggest NPCs...
>>282343671>Resorting to lying now?>Concession accepted.>Not worth my time anymore.No, you're the one that's resorting to lying because you can't stand the idea that Demon Slayer is a terribly written series. Which, it is. >Headcanon. All of them can? In which ways? Are they all equal in every aspect? No other ghosts are seen injurying people, on-screen, other than Sabito. The same way no other human is stronger than Muzan other than Yoriichi. Exceptions exist. You have no way of countering this assertion without coping.You're literally coping right now. There's nothing saying they all can't do it. And one of them is shown affecting the real world. There's no explanation, so we have to go off of what is shown. Why isn't there a ghost army going to fight Muzan?Give me an explanation that isn't headcanon.>Oh, so it's impossible, as in "it could never happen"? Lying again. Boring.Nice job ignoring everything I said. No, because literally the first day he could have asked "I didn't know you were training more people other than me." This falls apart under any scrutiny. There's scenes of them literally eating together.
>>282343780You are a liar. I caught you lying twice.Don't try to pretend you're worthy of a proper discussion anymore.
Why didnt Gotouge have the ghosts rise up and kill Muzan! KnY writing is shit!
>>282343845Don't have the ghosts affecting the real world if you don't want people to question that. >>282343830You can't point to a single thing I've lied about. You're now accusing me of nothing so you don't have to actually discuss or defend your arguments anymore because you know you can't.
>>282343845Women can't write for shit, always been the caseThey can only copy what men laid down for them but have zero shreds of creativity to do anything interesting with said ideasThat's also why men have a higher ceiling than women in creative writing and can make truly good shit but also make truly bad shitWomen can only ever create mid shit
>>282334697obviously cause of UFOtable putting in godly effort.if it was done by some shitter studio like J.C.Staff it would have been forgotten.
>>282343884>if you don't want people to question that. It's just basic Japanese mythology, that's why nobody cares.
>>282334697Not bad writing but just predictable
>>282343909And yet they write better than you ever will, must be hard.
>>282343936>just predictableNo one predicted the result of his fight.No one.
>>282334697Shonentards don't care about writing.
>>282343884Your lies are plain for all to see. I called them out instantly.As a great honable debater, I don't negotiate with lying rats. You exposed your fraudulent ways.
>>282343909Spoken like a muslim rapefugee
>KnY wins at manga sales>KnY wins at the box office>KnY wins at humiliating Jeremy>KnY wins at forcing seething faggots to lie2025 is our year.The winning never stops.
deku lost.isn't that sad?
>>282344050>>282344000>Coping this badly after getting BTFO'd.
>>282343952I could probably write the greatest shit ever if I put my autism into itALL THE GOOD SHIT IS MADE BY MENNo exceptionMinecraft? A billion dollar hit and its made by a manOne Piece? Best selling manga of all time made by a manThriller? Best selling album of all time made by a manAll the best stories? Made by menWomen can only copy what men laid down for them because they have no creativity>>282343975I didAnd everyone with a brain did cause the good guys were on a winning streakAnd side characters were dying in the final arc anyway so who cares
>>282344050It turns out, it's hard to lose against Jeremy because the world works against him.
Is IMAX the best format to watch this? Already saw it in IMAX but wondering if I should see it in a different format for my second viewing. 4DX sounds neat.
I'm late to the party, why is this guy so upset at Demon Slayer?
>>282344090>I could probably write the greatest shit ever if I put my autism into itlol, no, you're inferior to every women in the planet and that's even worse than death.
I'm buying Muzancoin now.His fight has all the ingredients to look incredible when not limited by the crocodile's artistic skills.See you in 2029.
>>282344050based
>>282344123Hurt his feelings
>>282344123>lateSix years too late, all because it became more popular than MHA.
>>282344123It surpassed Boku no Hero. That's it.
>>282344142it has the best introduction of them all, that's for sure
>>282344290Poor anon was birthed from a woman, admitting to having no worth
>anti Japan arc>DB fanboy arc>rapefugee arc>misogyny arcSo many arc and ZERO character development.
>>282334697>worst writing in shonen history?Didn’t realize this was a stealth wan piss thread
>>282344373Nah bro, One Piece has a good story, because the battles suck and the art is barely passable. The story is the only thing that has carried it into success. Now if you want a bad story you can go for low hanging fruit like Nanatsu no Taizai, Jujutsu Kaisen or Boku no Hero.
Jeremy has been obsessing over KNY and BC for 6 years. Meanwhile he was also shitting up wsj general.
What accent should I be reading this guy's posts in?
>>282344511Unironically I agree.Every piece of fiction written by women would not exist without the male Greeks laying down the blueprint. Shonen manga are literally built on the monomyth taken from the Odyssey.
>>282334697>>282334767Passable story hard carried by its animation and music selection. Tell me, has LiSA ever did an OP for a shitty show?SAO doesn't count
>>282344661Then why did the Greeks made all the patrons of the arts women?
>>282334697Writing is totally irrelevant to shounenshit.
>>282344349Rapefugee arc had the craziest plot twists.
>>282344714because men make art in order to fuck women. muses arent artists, they inspire art
>>282334697Fun fact: at a screening in Brazil, the police were called because a mother tried to take her children to watch. The movie's rating here is 18.
>>282344890non-sequitur
>>282344908>18Damn, guess that dojo scene really tripped them up.
>>282344349Currently for some forsaken reason, he is targeting his autistic rage at the CSM film.
where in the story does the movie that was released take place? I've only watched the first season and the train movie. What else do I need to watch before seeing the new movie?
>>282335642>Emotional manipulationthis is a schizo sperg out. just point at this retard and laugh
>>282346010I love how no Demon Slayer fan can actually refute anything I'm saying.
>>282345947Ideally everything before. Or at the very least the previous season since the movie directly continues from where it ends.
>>282335921oh look, it's one of the faggots from r/anime who were seething about this other day. you will never fit in here.
>>282346053Of course they can't because this series is shit and written by a womanWomen always writes the lowest quality mediaThe few women that don't are the five percenters
>>282346096season 2 or 3?
>>282346010NTA but good shows provoke emotions, bad shows dictate them. Instead of building the characters naturally, Demon Slayer almost begs you to empathize with them. Rengoku is a perfect example of this, the mf exists solely to die tragically.
>>2823462133. Season 2 is better though.>>282346349Name 3 examples because every time someone brings up this shit, they'll provide worse instances.
>>282346432I just want to know where in the story the new movie takes place. After season 2 or after season 3?
>>282346349>Demon Slayer almost begs you to empathize with them. Rengoku is a perfect example of this, the mf exists solely to die tragically.That's why I never liked Demon Slayer and never got into it. It's allergic to subtlety. Everything has to be spelt out and the emotional moments are always too much on the nose. They tell you what to feel at a certain moment
>>282346529After Season 3.
>>282337521>because the emotional beats are damn near perfect.I have to admit the train arc was really different to any shonen out there, that fight against Akaza had real stakes and Rengoku didn't survive for some bs power up or by the power of friendship, he got mortally injured and fucking died, that was the peak of Kimetsu no Yaiba for me, then the bs came in, like Inosuke twisting his organs or the marks that make the hashiras even more OP for some reason
>>282339940Holy based
>>282341476I doubt that, but you can believe what you want. I never said you can't enjoy KnY or that liking it makes you a pleb. I will say that calling most anime garbage does invalidate your opinion far more than liking KnY would.The whole point is why it became popular, which I guess you aren't disputing. The whole rubbing people the wrong way is because it's extremely overrated and carried by it's art/simplicity. That leads to people getting bent out of shape that its popular because they recognize how mediocre it is outside of those aspects.I personally think the show is fine. Nothing amazing but not bad. Just a dumb show that's pretty and easy on the eyes. The fanbase is utterly cancerous, but that's just shonen in general.
>>282334697One Piece fans and Dragon Ball fans are so fucking defensive
>>282340224>power systemkek, I love how power scaler shitters seethe at Kimetsu
>>282334697The premise was really fucking cool.I didn't know the writing was shit, but I could see why it became big and competed with Bleach and Naruto. I was kinda glad it did. Something refreshing.
I will admit, ignoring recent csm slop chapters, csm might have fucked this and other shonen franchises up because it was sort of going places that shonen was too shy of. Thinks like surrealism and exploitation.
>>282340182>and has $200 million+ live action adaptionany retard can spend money
>>282346739Why DBZ?They're untouchable.Everyone likes it, you're not allowed to hate it nearly.All the fandoms of the other shonen shows/manga will probably also like DBZ generally. It's in it's own niche that others have tried to knock off, but never executed it right. It has such a weird setting and unique Toriyama character. It's so iconic, Tori's other shit struggles to escape it's influence. You can see DBZ in anything he touched.F.
>>282334697>some of the worst writing in shonen history?come back when you read more than 5
>282346053>282346173>upvote
>>282346788>The premise was really fucking cool.The premise is cliche af.
>>282347202>The premise is cliche af.name 5 series with the same premise
>>282346739The better question is what is it about One Piece and DBZ that makes fans of other franchises seethe
Muzan is the best villain of the decade.
I can't tell what gets this board more heated, Kimetsu or Frieren
>>282347258>D Gray Man (with literally the same type of mom friend protagonist)>Claymore>Owari no Seraph>Ao no Exorcist>SNK
>>282347324Frieren, Kimetsu just has one really dedicated guy.
I find it incredible how every time Demon Slayer becomes popular again ppl always say it's bad and use the same argument.
Jeremybros...I'm so tired...I just can't take it anymore...
>>282347374>4/5 Western styleNot the same premise. I will give you Owari no Seraph, though, that fits.
>>282347423Okay, so what's the narrative this time? Censored? Inflated because CCP? Doesn't count?
>>282347477couldn't beat ne zha 2
>>282334697Woman didn't talk
>>282347423>Now the big question is China. There arerumors onlinethat the movie will be released in mainland China after October. This is not official yet, but if true, it could change everything. Previous Demon Slayer movies did not get a China release, so this would be a major step forward for the franchise>RumorsMaybe try to actually read the sources instead of being chronically online on Twitter lmao.
>>282347500Sounds about right.
>>282346739>One Piece fans are defensiveThey have people shitting on their series when it's not even the topic of discussion lol, of course they're going to be defensive.
>>282347374none of these are about a guy trying to find a cure for his loved one
>>282344585broken danish englishotherwise just imagine a pajeet scammer accent, you already can hear him beg you to not redeem the box office numbers
>>282336547Until he "wins"
>>282347397The anime has a predictable formula and repetitive cliché that already makes the anime boring.
>>282334697like everything else in life the answer is money
Controversial opinion I love Kimetsu no Yaiba
>>282347500>brings up Ne Zha 2, even though no one in the West (including Jeremy himself) cares about it>brings up potential Netflix gookslop Oscar win, even though he certainly doesn't give a shit about that slop eitherMan, it must feel bad to be Jeremy right now, being forced to side with slop like Gook Hunters just to get 1 potential win against Demon Slayer (and DS has vastly more cultural influence than Ne Zha and Kpo Hunters either way).He just never stops taking L's.
>>282336982I don't even really like KnY, but this is GLORIOUS
>>282336646What an embarrassing schizo. Imagine humiliating yourself this many times and still having the audacity to show your face around here.
>>282347544>>282347476Cliche doesn't mean exactly 1-1. The basic premise is the same standard shonen style.>Normal boy does normal things.>Tragedy strikes due supernatural entity.>Boy must now join organization and train to fight supernatural entity to survive.This is the finer details will always be different, but the basic premise is cliche. There are literally three shonen that more or less fit this category airing right now (Gachikuta, Kaiju 8 and tougen anki).
>>282347677The Oscars cares enough about Nezha and Western film critics clearly do since many of them are actually seriously predicting Nezha will be nominated at the Academy (that, along with KPop Demon Hunters and Zootopia). None of them say Demon Slayer has any Oscar prospect.Aniplex also cares about the Oscars since they tried to submit Mugen Train into the Academy but they rejected them only to give that statue to Miyazaki (and a Palme d'Or + BAFTA). Guess that hurt Demon Slayer's pride, eh?
>>282334920What about the writing makes it "the worst in shonen history"?
>>282347848Wash your cumstained mattress
Lmao, ever since the Infinity Castle worldwide box office numbers dropped, you can literally see Jeremy’s soul leave his body.On the KnY threads and here too, the guy’s reduced to spamming one-liner shitposts.He’s trying so damn hard to act like nothing happened, but it’s obvious he’s desperately coping and pretending he’s not mentally wrecked.
>>282347848It doesn't matter, Jeremy. With the success of the new Infinity Fortress movie, Demon Slayer as a franchise has now generated well over 10 billion dollars. And it will only continue to print money in the future.Demon Slayer is in its own league now. No Chink or Gookslop movie/series will ever have this much cultural motion. And no new anime either.
>>282347270Does DBZ have haters? Like active haters? Modern Dragon Ball media is what seems to have genuine haters, stuff like Daima and Super.
>>282347960Touch grass and have sex.>>282347967>Shitgeki no KyoshitLol. And Miyazaki still won two Oscars (and Palme d'Or). Something Demon Slayer will never win even though Aniplex are crying and begging for it which is funny. Miyazaki might win his third next, by the way.
>>282339830>The filler era stopped long time ago.He’s not talking about filler episodes, but rather about how the manga itself only ever covers extremely important developments.There are no completely unnecessary, detour-like arcs, every arc contains some event that significantly moves the overall story forward.Literally, if we compare it to One Piece, KNY is composed only of arcs equivalent to those where the state of the world shifts.
>>282348001>copeNezha still made more money than both Demon Slayer movies combined and there are actual chances Nezha might get nominated since Oscar voters actually watched it and liked it. So China will cuck Aniplex by getting nominated by the Academy. If they win an Oscar, that'll just be funny and pretty based. China will also cuck Aniplex from Ufotable very soon with Genshin Impact (gay but an evergreen money-maker).
>>282343276So does that mean every anime owned by Aniplex has to succeed the way KNY did? Are there any other series like that?
>>282347826If you want to be REALLY reductive you can argue, everything has a 3 act structure and a hero's journey. You need more common elements to call different products "the same".
>>282348113>there are actual chances Nezha might get nominated since Oscar voters actually watched it and liked itDidn't Ne Zha flop in America? I don't think it's even on theaters anymore.
>>282334697Worst writing is insane. It’s just very simple and it does simple extremely well. Add in the godly animation, and easy to hate villain, battle Shonen fun, Japanese nationalist boost, and the very simple done work story, perfect timing, it became a worldwide hit. It’s like Avatar the last Airbender for Japs.
>Jeremy now props up China just to throw shit at KNY, as if he’s relying on that country.>He doesn’t even know the fact that KNY is literally more popular in China than in Japan.
>>282348253It's not simple its badly written.
>>282348291What about it is badly written?
>>282348320I wrote all about it up here. >>282335642
>>282348283>Jeremy is so cursed a China release is very much on the table.
>>282348253>It’s like Avatar the last Airbender for Japs.Avatar for japs if the creator could actually write by themselves, didn't obsess over shipfaggotry or males MC's being spineless faggots when it matters, and wasn't pozzed to hell
>>282347477What narrative? It's a third party source taken from Twitter that's taken from another third party source at Weibo. If the movie was approved, you'd already see official listings, trailers, or marketing inside China and it would absolutely be picked up by Deadline, Variety or Maoyan.That tweet is just empty noise, no big woop. Plus, you seriously think the Chinese will just let a Japanese movie step into their turf and upstage their crown jewel as the number one highest grossing movie of 2025? When there's still hostility between China and Japan long after WW2? I think they even did some censorship to MC's earrings and all because it resembled the Imperial Flag or some shit.
>>282348291>its badly writtenEven if it has some shit elements (OH MY FATHER SECRET DANCE, OH MY DEUS EX SISTER) it still have great parts (most fights have great stories to tell).
>>282348342>Korra out of nowhere
>>282348226Unlike KNY, which now makes more than half of its revenue overseas, Ne Zha’s box office is almost entirely from China.And I’ve heard those numbers were the result of the CCP forcing many companies to watch the film as a form of national propaganda.
>>282348320Pay no mind to the buck broken schizo. He has a humiliation fetish
>>282348355>Plus, you seriously think the Chinese will just let a Japanese movie step into their turf and upstage their crown jewel as the number one highest grossing movie of 2025?Kimetsu won't do that, Ne Zha 2 is too far ahead. Also it had to go through the CCP filters so the action is going to be neutered, they are watching an inferior version.
>>282348368Korra is the legacy of that IP now. it's been on life support ever since
>>282348370>>282348320>>Pay off with no set up>The countless amount of asspulls such as Tanjiro's powerups, Zenitsu's rival that was barely shown ever through the manga, Rengoku's death, Genya turning good for no reason,>>No explanation for anything>We're never shown how the different demon slayer breathing forms are different. They're all functionally the same with no discernible weaknesses or strengths between them. If they are, they're briefly mentioned and never actually shown. No explanation for Genya's abilities or why he has them. Inosuke contorting his own organs to survive being impaled.>>Emotional manipulationTry actually refuting this.
>>282348418>It's bait because I can't refute it These are all problems that people have posted about Demon Slayer thousands of times before.
Because it has god tier visuals, seiyuu, ost, flashbacks, unique art style and a better finale than MHA, JJK, BC, etc.
>>282348332The elements you pointed out apply to pretty much every shonen manga.If you really cared about that, you wouldn’t be able to read Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, BLEACH, JJK, CSM, or even JoJo and Hunter x Hunter.And yet, for some reason, you’re obsessively fixated on KnY alone.
>>282348418>>282348435Interactions like these are funny to me, the pic could've unironically been a response to anything but the schizo's brain will make his own interpretation
>>282348435How do you know he was talking to you wise guy?
>>282348437>god tier flashbackshow does that work
>>282348451Nice whataboutism. Actually refute any of the arguments that I've put forth. Comparing this show's writing to Hunter X Hunter is laughable. >>282348487Who else could he have been talking to?
>>282348467It's like watching sloths in their natural habitat KEK
How's the manga for this? The anime/movies seemed to quickly jump from event to event with this insane pace. Does the manga slow things down a little and let you actually get to know the characters?
>>282348400>The countless amount of asspulls such as Tanjiro's powerupsOnly one, Sun Breathing. You can argue about Transparent World being setup by Akaza. >Zenitsu's rival that was barely shown ever through the mangaIt was shown, it was underwhelming, not bad, different things. >Rengoku's deathAkaza was stronger, what's bad about this? You can argue that Akaza/Inosuke wanking him to infinity was bad but also the guy saved their lives. >Genya turning good for no reason,When was he evil? WTF. >We're never shown how the different demon slayer breathing forms are different. We do. In Yoriichi flashback they explain that they are all nerfed versions of Sun Breathing tailored for each individual. >They're all functionally the same with no discernible weaknesses or strengths between them. If they are, they're briefly mentioned and never actually shown.They did, Water Breathing is the Defensive breath, to help most shitter survive. Lighting breathing is the fast one. Sun Breathing it's the true one that does everything, etc, etc. >No explanation for Genya's abilities or why he has them. True, he's special, same way Yoriichi was Sun Jesus. >Inosuke contorting his own organs to survive being impaled.Actual asspull, Inosuke is a fan favorite, he got the privilege.
>>282334697>hurr durr *contrarian opinion*>am i fitting in already guys?? am i not a retarded faggot anymore??
>>282348226It doesn't matter if Nezha flopped in the US, it still made $2 billion dollars and upstaged The Lion King. That's more money than both Demon Slayer movies combined.>>282348283>KNY is literally more popular in China than in Japan.Actually, no. Not really. The Japanese are crazy about it and it gets some of the highest ratings in its countrt. In China, it just gets normal numbers. It has 1 billion views from Billibilli but Billibilli is a WAY smaller platform in China compared to Tencent, Youku and Iqiyi. Highest views are all show from Tencent. Shows lole Soul Land in 2019 gathered 12.4 billion views and the average donghua has 4B views like Daily Life Inmortal King.
>>282348564>It doesn't matter if Nezha flopped in the US, it still made $2 billion dollars and upstaged The Lion King.Yeah sure, but Endgame is also the second most successful movie of all time and it didn't get a lot of Oscar buzz.
>>282348536>Only one, Sun Breathing. You can argue about Transparent World being setup by Akaza.No, Tanjiro's mark is never explained, alluded to or even foreshadowed. Why does he have the mark? >It was shown, it was underwhelming, not bad, different things. If he's barely on Zenitsu's mind, then it's hard to believe he's that important to him. It's retarded writing. Not different writing. Bad writing.>Akaza was stronger, what's bad about this? You can argue that Akaza/Inosuke wanking him to infinity was bad but also the guy saved their lives. We didn't know what Rengoku lived for and what his motivations were. "Mommy told him to" is an extremely weak reasoning for that desire because their relationship was never fleshed out. >When was he evil? WTF.He was definitely an asshole. Tell me you're being dishonest on purpose. >We do. In Yoriichi flashback they explain that they are all nerfed versions of Sun Breathing tailored for each individual. How are they functionally different from each other? Answer the question.>They did, Water Breathing is the Defensive breath, to help most shitter survive. Lighting breathing is the fast one. Sun Breathing it's the true one that does everything, etc, etc. None of this is ever shown in the show. All of them are functionally the same with no drawbacks or weaknesses. They never actually show them. >True, he's special, same way Yoriichi was Sun Jesus. Bad writing
>Taking the CCP mandated viewing numbers at face value when it's all from china and flopped everywhere else
>>282334697Good advertising + Mob mentality
>>282348437>MHAHas better art than KnY because it's drawn by an insanely talented artist (but very shitty writer).>JJKHas better fight scenes than KnY because it's drawn by an artist with a good sense of composition, choreography and 3D movement. KnY fights only ever looks good because of Ufotable.>BCHonestly, Black Clover is very mediocre but it's also the closest in spirit to the Big 3, so in this aspect, Black Clover actually does a better job in honoring the classics.
As of 2024, KnY seems to be the number one anime series in popularity in the U.S., but where does Jeremy’s beloved series rank among them?
FIVEFUCKINGBRAINS
>>282335733>>282336309Least Retarded CSM Fan.Also i love Death!
WHEN IS THE FUCKING TORRENT GOING TO BE UP?I'M NOT WATCHING A FUCKING CAMRIP!
>>282348596> No, Tanjiro's mark is never explained, alluded to or even foreshadowed. Why does he have the mark?Unlocked through Sun Breathing, already covered as an asspull. >If he's barely on Zenitsu's mind, then it's hard to believe he's that important to him. It's retarded writing. Not different writing. Bad writing.He didn't care about the fucker, he was mad that his Grandpa was death because of the fucker, retard.> We didn't know what Rengoku lived for and what his motivations were. "Mommy told him to" is an extremely weak reasoning for that desire because their relationship was never fleshed outHis death is perfectly fine, he believed in protecting the weak. Kek, there's nothing wrong in idolizing a parent, even more if it's his dying wish. >He was definitely an asshole. Tell me you're being dishonest on purpose.You called it "good", not nice. Different things, you can be an asshole and still a good person, like Batman. >How are they functionally different from each other? Answer the question.Different focus in different techniques and body development, Lighting Breath needs more power in the legs. > None of this is ever shown in the show. All of them are functionally the same with no drawbacks or weaknesses. They never actually show them.They did, fucking retard. Read again but put attention. You can see one example is Tanjiro copying Lighting Breathing to catch up to Hantengu and being unable to do the technique correctly because he isn't built for it. > Bad writingHey, tell that to our Lord Jesuscrist.
>>282348576>and it didn't get a lot of Oscar buzz.It actually got nominated for Best Visual Effects, but it got cucked by a WW1 movie which is pretty based since I hate MCU lmao.>>282348624Alas, Naruto is more popular. Sorry.
>>282348564>It doesn't matter if Nezha flopped in the US,IT DOESYou once said that no matter how much KNY was received, its popularity was only within Japan, so it meant nothing (which wasn’t true at all).Nezha is exactly the Chinese version of that fantasy you made up, popular only domestically and nowhere else.
>>282348745>It actually got nominated for Best Visual Effects, but it got cucked by a WW1 movie which is pretty based since I hate MCU lmao.It was on the same year they added the popularity poll, isn't it?
>>282348755>IT DOESNah>You once said that no matter how much KNY was received, its popularity was only within JapanOh? So you say Demon Slayer is mostly just a Japan thing? Lol
>>282348767Maybe. But if they did and that WW1 movie cucked it then it's still pretty cool. Capeshit is the bane that kills cinema.
>>282348745>Naruto>One Piece>Pokemon>All long-running series with an unusually high number of episodes .In fact, this data only shows how extraordinary it is that KNY, with so few episodes, is competing on equal footing with them.
>>282348741>Unlocked through Sun Breathing, already covered as an asspull.Okay so bad writing.>He didn't care about the fucker, he was mad that his Grandpa was death because of the fucker, retard.So we're supposed to feel angry at this character that we barely know? >His death is perfectly fine, he believed in protecting the weak. Kek, there's nothing wrong in idolizing a parent, even more if it's his dying wish. Except the very first time we meet him he's picking on the weak Nezuko and he starts off as asshole, with no reason to change just like with Genya. He has no motivations, he has no relationships with the other characters and he had no flaws. No reason to care or to feel sad when he dies. >You called it "good", not nice. Different things, you can be an asshole and still a good person, like Batman. He was not a good person. He was an asshole the entire time. You're being intentionally dishonest and playing word games. Fucking retard.>Different focus in different techniques and body development, Lighting Breath needs more power in the legs. None of this is explained or shown in the manga.>They did, fucking retard. Read again but put attention. You can see one example is Tanjiro copying Lighting Breathing to catch up to Hantengu and being unable to do the technique correctly because he isn't built for it. Why is Tanjiro "not built for lightning breathing"? Never explained. They never show how has advantages or weaknesses over the other. They're all functionally the same with none providing any major drawback compared to another.
>>282348852If anything, I'm more surprised that piece of shit Seven Deadly Sins is so high. I thought the anime died.
So which country are you a refugee of?
>>282348802Jeremy, stop having ChatGPT write your posts.Your AI clearly isn’t even reading the other posts text properly before spitting out a rebuttal.Now answer my question.In your delusion, “KNY is only popular in Japan, so no matter how much revenue it makes, it’s meaningless.” But how do you explain the fact that Nezha, the thing you’re clinging to as your last hope, is literally the Chinese version of that?On top of that, in reality morethan half of KNY’s revenue base now comes from overseas, whereas Nezha is something literally no one outside of China cares about.
>>282348342Zuko and Iroh carried that show, nobody cares about Aang or Katara.
>/a/ desperately trashed on KNY>won AOTDIt's so fucking predictable.
>>282335733Bro, I really like the art of the CSM females and I try really hard to enjoy it but that manga sucks so much ass. Does it get better? I'm currently at volume 5. I just watch music videos with images of the girls.
Holy shit, DSfags getting absolutely CREAMED in these threads.
>>282334697flashy animation
>>282348745The fact that Naruto, Pokémon, and One Piece are at the very top clearly shows they’re benefiting from inflated view counts due to their huge number of episodes.And the fact that Baki ranks so high suggests this data must be from Netflix alone.The source I presented earlier, however, came from a U.S. research firm that factored in data from all streaming services, IMDb ratings, and various other elements. The level of reliability isn’t even comparable.
>>282349042It terms of having hype moments yeah it delivers in that regard and there is only one bit of good writing left in part 1As for part 2? Let's just say that it's slow and Denji barely changes from how he was in part 1 Like it's the point that even fans of him are going "Come on man you've got more sense than this"
>>282348209Sure, and the opposite is true as well. You can disqualify any example because it's not 100% exact copies. My description is more than specific enough to demon slayer. Its not a reduction of a whole story, its a reduction of a paragraph long premise. Its not a major reduction, it hits every point without going into major detail. It also doesnt apply to that many premises.
>>282349081he knows that, why else do you think he cropped out where picrel is from kek
>>282336982I came
>>282349017They truly deserved to be in a better series, one where the creators wouldn't derail them to prop up their bald twink.>yes, picrel is from an actual comic the creators supervised
>>282335733CSM Part 2 is literally written with zero thought behind it. There’s no setup, no payoff, no actual story structure, just Fujimoto tossing out random crap for cheap social media buzz with zero regard for consistency.Even a rookie mangaka with axed series could write a more coherent story.And yeah, no wonder the volume sales are in freefall. The masses aren’t that stupid.
>>282334697Demon Slayer feels like an anime made by algorithms and AIs. No wonder it's so popular.
>>282349060That’s the case with all recent anime.
>>282349328It's different. DS has flashy(back) animation
>>282344050It was the perfect storm.
>>282348982>Now answer my question.Nah
I lost...
>>282349226>CSM Part 2 is literally written with zero thought behind it. There’s no setup, no payoff, no actual story structure, just Fujimoto tossing out random crap for cheap social media buzz with zero regard for consistency.Anon, you are retarded with that logic, in fact it would be far respectable to say that you dislike Part 2 for being boring or don't like the direction of the story than all that wall of buzzwords that you posted.
i just got back from watching this at the theatres, very poggers movie as one would say
Crack kun
>Demid SlayerThe battle of mid was indeed a long and intensive battle but at the end of the day, it was still the battle of mid
Go back faggot
>300 million sales>No legacy, no artistic impact It's impressive, really.
>>282349948The Avatar of anime. Not everything has to reinvent the wheel, just use what worked in the past and make it look better than before.
>>282349948>no artistic impactIt's widely regarded as the pinnacle of TV animation. It gets a season EVERY YEAR and STILL manages to look as good as it does.You lost, Jeremy.
>>282349948Cope. Every shounen now will be chasing Kimetsus' shadow forever.
>>282350023For the sales and popularity it has, it is very little.>>282350132>It's widely regarded as the pinnacle of TV animationNone of this is an artistic legacy, but rather a commercial one.>You lost, Jeremy.Who's Jeremy?
>>282350260In terms of TV adaptation this is already happening and it's quite problematic. One Piece is losing its entire identity in favor of flashy sakuga.
>>282350132>everyone who is critical of DS is Jeremy
Last one for the greatest Mizu Bashira!
>>282348283really?it's so unapologetically Japanese I can't see chinks liking it
Well this thread has been going for 10 hours nowCan you say you were productive with your day by being in it?
I saw this in theaters. Total snoozefest. Plus the theater was filled with blacks who kept shouting during the movie. At the end the audience literally clapped. Who the fuck claps at the end of a movie?
>>282350277It has handily beaten western animations like recent originals from Pixar like Elemental, and even a popular new franchise like the Bad Guys from Universal, which are supposed to matter "more" than anime imports as a matter of course. Even if you believe KnY is way behind in the world of animation compared to Toy Story, it's up there with Spider-Verse when it comes just to Sony animated releases, and that won an Oscar. But muh Oscars don't matter! Look up the box office in that case and notice te popularity increased from movie to movie between Spider-Verses. Sounds familiar? The list of favorable comparisons could go on and on.
