>>282341987
you know what? I had completely forgotten the Retsu Becomes World Champ In Boxing arc. what the fuck was that.

>>282343427
He probably wanted to compensate for his missing foot or something

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I still don't get this metaphor
I understand why Musashi saw Baki as a banquet first but not why it was emptied in their last fight

>>282343677
Because he saw all of Baki's tricks

>>282343677
At first he saw Baki as something wonderful to enjoy but then Baki said fuck that and wasn't going to let Musashi have any fun or enjoyment. He was just going to beat him.

>>282341987
comick io is dead where do you go for baki now

>>282345838
Every other website because the scrolling format sucks

>>282343677
>>282344759
Yes, like this anon said. Enjoyment, "savoring" each technique, that's something that only modern fighters enjoy. Musashi's mindset of the warrior does have room for this leisurely enjoyment. It signifies a change in that Baki was willing to indulge him at the beginning, but now he has only the goal of killing him, so he will indulge him no longer. Think of all the crazy shit that Baki and Yujiro pulled during their fight. The cockroach dash, imagination based attacks, dress. These are the things Musashi is missing out on. It also signifies a change in Musashi. The Musashi at the start of the arc may not have cared at all about the banquet, he was only in it for the fame and glory, but after his bouts with the Baki gang, he came to appreciate their philosophy.

>>282347719
>Musashi's mindset of the warrior does have room for this leisurely enjoyment.

It DOESN'T have room, oops

>>282347719
>but now he has only the goal of killing him
Except not really because Baki had the chance and just chose not to kill him.

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>>282343677
Its a metaphor for baki the character now being a hollow cover boya and technique reaction cameo with no remaining arc to tell after father and son fight, as well as baki-dou the manga has no thing to enjoy after the father and son ate all of the dinner.

>>282347931
He had the chance but chose not to because Baki wanted to drive the point home that they were different. He was in on the plan on letting the granny literally suck his soul out, that's the same as killing him.

>>282348426
>because Baki wanted to drive the point home that they were different
Which goes completely against how Baki said he would kill him. It's also pointless because every single other character was doing the exact same thing. In the end Baki did not even kill him.
>that's the same as killing him.
Not really. It's the same as Pickle being frozen in ice.

>>282347719
In short, Baki wasn't playing.

How did that Retsu isekae manga end up anyway?

>>282341987
His boxing arc was so fucking weird and out of place. His isekai is more founded in reality.

>>282348470
>Not really. It's the same as Pickle being frozen in ice.

Anon, in one scenario your soul still on earth, in the other you soul is the Baki afterlife. You're just being contrarian if you can't see the difference. His soul was forcefully removed and sent back to the afterlife, which is just a different way of killing someone.
>Which goes completely against how Baki said he would kill him.
He did, he planned it,and did it with help. But again Baki really wanted to emphasize they were different, so he didn't simply brutalize him, like Musashi did to Retsu. He did it in a nicer way, you could say.

>It's also pointless because every single other character was doing the exact same thing.

Don't know what you mean by this. Musashi was following a completely outdated philosophy, he stuck out like a sore thumb. Baki even tells him straight up that he doesn't belong.

>>282348648
>Anon, in one scenario your soul still on earth
Doesn't matter. They explicitly say Musashi can always come back.
>But again Baki really wanted to emphasize they were different
Then why all this crap about murdering him if he wasn't actually going to follow through on it?
>Don't know what you mean by this
Everyone else was facing him in their own way.
>Musashi was following a completely outdated philosophy, he stuck out like a sore thumb
The only fighter he killed was Retsu, who consented to the deathmatch to begin with and he gave him several potential outs. Doppo? KO'd. Shibukawa? KO'd. Baki the first time? KO'd. The convicts also followed the same kind of philosophy you're saying Musashi followed with them always going for the kill and it's even lampshaded with fucking Speck saying their fight wouldn't end until one of them is in the morgue. Musashi didn't kill anyone who didn't fight back and attack first.

>>282343427
I think it was supposed to be Retsu rebound arc, where he seek boxing as a method to push his punching to the limit, now that he lost 1 leg and along with it a lot of his technique
That’s why he insist on only attacking with punches, there would be no point otherwise

>>282348795
>Doesn't matter. They explicitly say Musashi can always come back.
He can come back with voodo magick that explicitly brings the soul of the dead back.
>Then why all this crap about murdering him if he wasn't actually going to follow through on it?
He did. He did kill him, in a roundabout way. What you seem to be confused about is the fact that if Baki killed him, then how is he different form Musashi? The answer is intent. Musashi was willing to kill to get ahead in the world. Baki killed Musashi in self defense. He took over the mantle of protector from Motobe and killed him to protect the Baki gang. It was done out of necessity.
>The only fighter he killed was Retsu, who consented to the deathmatch to begin with and he gave him several potential outs. Doppo? KO'd. Shibukawa? KO'd. Baki the first time? KO'd. The convicts also followed the same kind of philosophy you're saying Musashi followed with them always going for the kill and it's even lampshaded with fucking Speck saying their fight wouldn't end until one of them is in the morgue. Musashi didn't kill anyone who didn't fight back and attack first.

Retsu too had his philosophy. It's interesting because Chinese martial arts started out with the same warrior mentality of fighting to the death. But the thing is, even though Retsu agreed to a death match, noone in the Baki gang expected him to actually die. Retsu himself was willing to die, but it's still a tragedy. When the gang stand over his body, they lament the great qualities and techniques that were lost becuase of the macht was to the death.
>Doppo? KO'd. Shibukawa? KO'd. Baki the first time? KO'd.
Musashi isn't an out and out psychopath, he won't just kill for the hell of it. The issue is that he is willing to kill to get ahead. He was close to killing Hanayama, had Baki not stepped in.

>>282348795
>The convicts also followed the same kind of philosophy you're saying Musashi followed with them always going for the kill and it's even lampshaded with fucking Speck saying their fight wouldn't end until one of them is in the morgue.

The convicts weren't warriors. Their philosophy is more closely aligned to nihilism, they were fighting and killing because they got a kick out of it. Despite Musashi being willing to kill to get ahead, he still has his sense of honor.

>>282341987
this arc is so weird because you'd think Retsu would learn boxing to improve himself and make him a more well rounded fighter but he just uses Kung Fu on everything and never tries to change. Granted I love Retsu but him mixing Kung Fu and boxing would have been cool

>>282349777
>Musashi isn't an out and out psychopath, he won't just kill for the hell of it.
Then he's not out of place.
>if Baki killed him, then how is he different form Musashi?
That's the thing. He's not. He was willing to murder Alai Jr anyway, so what is your point?
>Baki killed Musashi in self defense
Completely incomprehensible statement. Baki said he'd do it and it was a match he specifically set up. None of that is self defense.
A lot of this shit about killing being bad is ridiculous, as there was an entire arc about the threat of death (Alai Jr) and characters such as Doppo and Shibukawa are all about being brutes who constantly inflict debilitating injuries (especially Doppo).

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He really can't help himself can he?

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>>282348426
You could also just take Baki's own words at face value.
Which was that Musashi is a master at suprise attacks, so he's not going to take any risks by attacking Musashi while he's 'down', and it feels safer to Baki to fight and kill Musashi while he's up and fighting.
It's not even necessarily that weird a reasoning, since he literally saw something similar in Musashi's fight against Retsu. Retsu thought Musashi was down for the count and so went for the finishing strike, only for Musashi to reveal that he was just playing dead and counter him.

Always found it fun that one of the most openly nationalistic mangaka is also one of the very few to accurately portray Musashi as a greedy, dirty fighting psychopath.

>>282345838
mangadex.org

>>282341987
Put the average martial artist in a boxing ring and he'll be wheeled out with a white sheet over his face.

Reminder that Yuujiro raped Trump and Musk

>>282343427
the Retsu smurfing arc to boost his ego.