Bochi the Rock "Noise" ノイズjapanese people are trolling official accounts. "This is noise" or "Why are you selling merch of a sexualized minor?" Calling out their double standardsThis is what the japanese anime industry/companies calls sexualization and problematic stuff "noise" that should be removed. The term "noise" was used by many anime publishers
>>282358516Only hoping this doesn't backfire and create more censorship.
>>282358801>virtually impossible, since bochi the rock was a successso was star wars and james bond
>>282358824ThisPeople really need to stop pretending like entertainment is too big to fail. All major franchises are bleeding money nowadays due to most people not watching their trash, assuming the Japanese are not as ideologically captured as Hollywood, they will stop that shit as soon as they start losing profits.
Why do they love to use random English words for things that have little to do with the word's meaning
How the tables have turned
>Retards can't tell the difference between the manga publisher and the anime producer
Season 2 is pretty much doomed now, isn't it?
You could have just left the issue alone but you had to go bother non anime related stuff
>>282359176>Chainsoy Flopman
>>282359231Instead of replacing the screenwriter they'll just scrap the whole project and we'll never see another Bocchi the Rock anime againIs this the Good End you wanted
>>282358560Ban erotic literature and the censorship will stop
>>282359231>>282359294Sony won't give 2 shits about your complaints.
TWITTER DRAMA TWITTER DRAMA PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS TWITTER DRAMA
>>282359231>>282359294Fans of the series and the casualfags watching it don't give a shit. It especially won't affect the anime since most people who like the anime don't even keep up with the manga or saw that it was a mediocre 4koma and stuck to being an anime-only. Online culturewarfags in Japan have latched onto it but they weren't watching Bocchi in the first place.
I imagine this will probably generate more attention and will attract as many people as it turns away. Forced drama.
We are doomed if even Japan is joining on drama. Where did the silent and peaceful Nippon go?
>>282360552ok industry shill
>>282359231>Caring about Xwitterlol LMAO even.
>>282359485You don't watch anime?
Schizojika bros we won
>>282358560It's gonna happen anyway, might as well make fun of them and get a little bit of enjoyment before they torch the whole thing.
>>282359294It's way too late into production to replace the screenwriter
>new chapter>no threadbocchirockers.....
>>282361704It's far too noisy
>>282358516
Based. You can't have it both ways, you can't hire a man hating freak to do the script and sell bikini merch. Either you support men, or you hate them.
>>282361991>Either you support men, or you hate themFor someone who bitches about women, you sure argue like one.
>>282358908Blu-ray sales of season 2 will have our answers, if they're shit, season 3 is canned and/or Kekrika Yoshida is fired.
>>282358908BtR did fine despite being censored trash. While it'd be nice if this shitshow did some damage, the reality is that the ota market has been on the decline for years, now it's all about streaming profit and merch.
>>282359143Try these definitions.>[Physics] A disturbance, especially a random and persistent disturbance, that obscures or reduces the clarity of a signal.>[Computers] Irrelevant or meaningless data.
>>282359294the fuck you need screenwriter for adapation anyway? all the script is in the manga bubbles, just animate the pages ffs
At the very least Hamazi can't just put out a generic statement saying she supports what Yoshida said because Yoshida also made remarks about exploiting minors (fictional) sexually and how that's harmful, which means she'd also be admitting to doing that too lol
>>282362496>Defend bitch Erika and get blacklisted by Nexon and never have the chance to work on Blue Archive>Do not defend bitch Erika and get pressured into allowing even more censorship by the woke clique.Tough.
>>282362496she doesn't need to put any statementshe supports her lolwho the fuck you think approved it huh
>>282358516basado
Man, this chick should not be in any fucking position at any fucking company. For the EOPs, she's raising her son as "non-binary", wonder how much time she spent in America?
>>282358516>japanese people are trolling official accounts. "This is noise" or "Why are you selling merch of a sexualized minor?lol based
>>282362679Why is she selling merch of sexualized minors? Ah it's so noisy
His whole debacle is like when a parent has to put chopped up vegetables in their retarded kids slop to make sure he doesn't grow up staying a retard since he won't eat vegetables otherwise. He eats and loves the food because he is a little dumbass. Years later mom misjudges his maturity level and tells him the food he loved all this time actually had vegetables in it.Instead of being mature and realizing vegetables aren't so bad since he ate and loved them, he throws a tantrum and tries to kill his mom.
oh boy i can't wait for shitshow with beach episode in season 2
>>282362888>Food analogy
>>282358516>>282358801How come people say the Japanese don't understand or have sarcasm when uh it seems like they clearly do. Unless these replies are not being sarcastic.
>>282362888Yes, I too think that banning things because "the children might find out boobs exist!" is very mature. >>282362964People say this kind of stuff because they're retards who can't get past the language barrier, it's all the blind leading the blind.
>>282362901Don't worry, I'm sure Kerorira-san made sure to make Bocchi's swimsuit as unattractive as possible.
>>282362964because sarcasm as humor is common in the west, but not as much in japan. that doesn't mean they don't have it at all, they just don't prefer itmaybe because of all the "politeness" in their society (fake or not), sarcasm goes against that sort of thinking
>>282363007Seeing the fridge bodies in something like that will be funny
non bikini schizo qrd? I saw some people make oc of "ノイズちゃん" but it's just bocchi, what's the joke here, I am aware of yoshida's statements but how did that turn into a character
>>282363117Japs memeing based on her comments
>>282363185wait I thought it was just one schizo posting this stuff
>>282363241This is a full mask off moment for the anime industry, dude.
>>282363241Just because the schizo loses his mind at censorship and makes a retarded fool out of himself doesn't mean no one else cares about it.Hiring this kind of person to make an adaptation when she basically openly states "the things otaku like are icky and problematic and should be removed" is akin to telling most of the customerbase to go fuck themselves.
>>282363241There's been a bunch of 1000 reply threads on 2ch about it, that's just the one still up at the moment.
>>282358516Based nips, shame everyone in the west is defending it
>>282363027>you know we know japan knows sarcasm>still say all this convoluted /pol/-tier shit lowiq take to try to look less dumb for your "bruh japan can't into sarcasm" position, you cannot back off now (you still look dumb)
>>282358516I mean, the creators hate sexualizing the characters, the company that made the merch probably did it without consulting the creators, now they know and if they're angry enough they'll cancel this merch and replace it with hijab Bocchi or something.
>>2823631854chinz>it must be a schizo! who cares Lol2chan>multiple 1k threadshuh
>>282363318I don't think I'll ever stop laughing at EOPs calling futaba "2ch".
>>282363359...what, I said they do sarcasm, just less oftenwhat are you angry about here, exactly?
>>282359286No milkers?
>>282359231I hope so
>>282361704Another shit chapter with nothing but words and the same unfunny jokes.
>>282358516Because anime is now widely liked in the West, especially in US. Only in US you would call highschool girl a minor. Westerners are retarded in this subject and sadly, anime producers are aiming to please westerners retardness.This is what you get for not keeping the gate
>>282362901S2 won't reach that far.
>>282362964It probably stems from some anecdotes of some dekinais trying and failing to correctly use sarcasm when talking to Japanese people and getting misunderstood.
>>282363394I find it kinda funny how Bocchi fans spent years shitting on Shitsaw Man's crappy blu-ray sales, when it ended up being Bocchi that did more damage to anime as a medium in the end.
>>282361704Bocchi the Novel
>>282363431>anime producers are aiming to please westerners retardness.not really,they aim at china, they don't like boobs and bocchi is very popular therewest only cares about shit like demon slayer
>>282363454They're both a symptom of the exact same problem, appealing to westerners. One was a delusional Hollywood fan and the other is a delusional feminist, but they're not that much different.
>>282362964they learnt from us thanks to the internetsource: I made it the fuck up
>>282363472>words words words words >haha Bocchi is a delusional retardOne joke.
>>282363472>one panel is just wordsthis can't be real
>>282362718>4 years old son loves ultraman and shit>doesn't matter though, you don't know what you're talking about, you're non binaryOhhhhh, people from first world countries are so fucking insane.
Leo mentioned
Leonardo PriprioBraddu Pittu
>>282363420>words and the same unfunny jokesBocchi in a nutshell.
>>282363521He loved them at 2, by 4 I'm sure he's learned to go along with everything his mother says. In a few more years he'll be on female hormones, classic vegan cat syndrome.
>>282363538So Hamazi also schlicks to Brad Pitt huh
>>282363515Can't believe this is so censored.
>>282363377There's been dozens of 1000 reply threads on 5ch about it
>>282358516that's not an official accountalthough the merch is official
>>282362718>Person who loves to complain about fictional characters>Raising kid as "non-binary">no 4 year old going to give a fuck about that, means likely forced to by his mother>arguably child abuseWhy does this keep happening? They're proving the loli fags right
>>282363472Are you telling me Bocchi fumbles an interview AGAIN!? Seriously?
>>282363391>maybe because of all the "politeness" in their society (fake or not), sarcasm goes against that sort of thinkingYou're the kind of person who makes le deep comments because you heard a Confucian saying once. Look at it again, you're literally saying,>they use sarcasm but...sarcasm goes against their thinking, ok?It makes no sense. Your comment adds nothing. It even contradicts itself.
>>282363648>why are feminists mentally ill?It is truly a mystery.
>>282363185>was i the noise?but what does スレあきがな mean?
>>282363659nah
>>282358516Japanese executives have always know the old art of shutting up and to fire anyone talking more than they should, what's going on with that?
>>282363746スレあき = OP.
>>282360713I agree, but the japanese care A LOT about it, not even trying to be funny, they just treat it as the word of god.
>>282363746スレあき means OPが indicates the subjectoverall it means "you are the noise"Yes, there's a bunch of people on 2chan who are also fed up with the nonstop twitter drama threads.
>>282363768Oh thank god Finally Bocchi does something good instead of being bullied for once
>>282358516>>282363185Reminder that the spam on Futaba got so bad a few months ago that a large portion of the userbase moved to discordWeird how the OP is posting comments that show he doesn't understand japanese but really wants to prove this is a hot issue
>>282359485Japs capitulate to the most toothless complaints from anyone anywhere. Shitter drama has a material impact on their products.
>>282363819>>282363829thanks, yeah i know が is the "subject particle" like は, appreciate the explanation
>>282363955Sex with Ryoumom
It's really funny how hard the shills first tried to convince people that this wasn't censorship when it happened, and now they're trying to derail these threads. Hopefully more things will come out like this and japs will continue to fight back against it.
>>282364171Interestingly there's only like 7 posts total about this incident on that discord.
Bocchi WILL get a boyfriend.
>>282363829>fpbpThis was possibly the most cancerous meme term on this website. Glad it's not used anymore.
>>282363359>suggesting that japs might use sarcasm less due to having more polite social expectations means you're from polWhy do freaks like you have to post here?
>>282363688Your posts are utterly nonsensical and you're underage.
>>282364547yeah...
>>282364440Yes.Me.
>>282364784Is that on this board? Maybe it's mostly on specific threads.
>>282364171Got any evidence for your claim?
>>282358801>will stay as long as they didn't boycott the trash anime that gets censoredWhy are you on /a/ even though you hate anime, schizo?
>>282364421How stinkin' odd.
>>282362350With streaming being readily available, bluray sales are pretty much a meme now. You can't rely too much on those figures.
>>282365100With viewership and engagement metrics being easily manipulatable, stream licenscing is pretty much a meme now. You can't rely too much on those figures.
>trusting the anime industry shill who defends modern anime and calls you "schizo" >doubting the anti censorship chads you guys are retarded
>>282364950If you think saying some anime is trash means you hate all of it maybe you're the schizo.
>>282365640Nah, he's the schizo who starts shitposting in random anime threads to call them censored trash, and thinks he has the moral right to it.If he's like this, he's fucking cancer.
>>282365217But can't they just make up numbers for how much merchandize has sold? It would be harder, since they'd have to gain agreement with all the production companies they work with, but it's possible.
>>282358824>>282358908>Bocchi The Rock downfall in 3 decades max>TRUST THE PLAN!
>>282365857Who are you quoting?
>>282365935It took DECADES for hollywood shit to take a it. And even so, they are living off their past glories.That equation anon made also includes how Bocchi downfall due woke will take decades.
>>282366023Okay but who were you quoting?
>>282366050He's a tourist who doesn't even know what he's talking about.
>>282366023All the "woke" stuff only started in the early 2010's. So if they have been affected by it then it was only ten years.>they are living off their past glories.That goes against your own point though doesn't it? No one would have watched those new star wars films if they weren't using the popularity of an old franchise.
>>282358560Shigeru Ishiba had to resign recently because of his immigration policies, japan is a country that takes this kind of shit seriously so expect at least that woman to not work on anything for a long while.
>>282358801Lol, you are so new, do you know what was like 50 times more succesful than BtR? Kemono Friends, if this continues scalating BtR anime is done for.
>>282366133>No one would have watched those new star wars films if they weren't using the popularity of an old franchise.>the popularity of an old franchise.Buildes by the movies from the late seventies and eighties.Way before the 2010 and the prequels.Bocchi will suffer the consequences of woke in 2070.
/pol/tourists are the biggest babies known to man
>>282366342You're not making any sense. Those sequels who deriving from old films yes, but if they've been affected due to their political choices then that's only ten years since the first one was released. So it would be ten years in the case of this anime as well. Are you being intentionally dishonest or are you just retarded?
282366390Here's an example of an unpaid shill. You can easily spot them as they often bring up politics and /pol/. They shill this censorship because it agrees with their politics, and because of that they assume everyone else is politically motivated as well.
Where is the censorship
>>282366449To be fair the ip counter was often leading to arguments where retards would accuse anyone kew to the thread of being someone else samefagging.
>>282366477>moooom he doesn't let me shitpost my culture war trash!I hate censorship as much as anyone, but you're a disingenious retard.
NOISE
>>282366390Yeah. It's annoying being somewhat anti-censorship, but then those people are trying to make a shitstorm out of a...very successful anime that had a genuinely passionate staff, and literally no one had issues with the production besides one or another person complaining about the tits nerf. Now I'm supposed to hate it because I guess Bocchi the rock is evil now.
>>282366507Keep up, read the archives, stop being a useless cunt. You're probably pretending not to know anyway.
>>282366477unpaid shill might as well be admittance of you just disagreeing with the person and trying to add some semblance of "they're bad because I said so", because you have no actual argument against them, you're just trying to get a high ground of thin air.
>>282366543So you don't know where the censorship is?
>>282366520The NOISE of the money not going to Cloverworks, a good NOISE
>>282366420The prequels are before the 2010, woke-ism rised on the 2010, nu-star wars started after the 2010.Star Wars as a whole started on the seventies.Star Wars got hit decades after the seventies.>So it would be ten years in the case of this anime as well.Bocchi downfall in 2032! 7 years until "go woke go broke"! TRUST THE PLAN!
>>282366534>no one had issues with the production besides one or another personHello newfag>Now I'm supposed to hate itheadcanon
>>282366577Bocchi the Rock, famously unsuccessful anime adaptation that made no money.
>>282366595So I can keep liking Bocchi the Rock?
You are only supposed to hate the reasonings , the anime itself was fine.
>>282366595>h-hewo newf-fagBeen here since 2009. Get a grip, culture warrior.Yes, Bocchi the rock anime threads were extremely positive, and I mentioned the biggest complaints around it, which were minimal.
>>282366603Let's see how the S2 does after this if they keep the SW, Japanese people doesn't play witht shit like this and they do vote with their wallet. Tatsuki is still laughing at Kadokawa
>>282366635Why should I care?
>>282366631I'm trashing the censorship like no other and I still like the anime for all the other qualities it has.
>>282366635No way, that would be sane! Watch the schizo call you a paid or unpaid shill. (It's exciting to guess when he thinks you're paid.)
>>282366507The scene where she tries to give herself a cold was changed in the anime so that she wears a swimsuit in the bath which just makes it look more strange because who does thatThe original scene in the manga wasn't even really sexualized, it seemed like it was purely for humorous intentThough I guess it could seem a bit strange knowing the kinds of things the author is into
>>282366591The prequels aren't important to this discussion. This is about the new films released recently.>downfall in 2032! So you've backtracked from your original strawman. Remember that unlike star wars this isn't riding off anything.
>>282366666If the author approved of the change then its not censorship.
>>282366663That's a good opinion to have. My problem is with that shitposter who would attack you for having that opinion.
>>282366267I thought it was because the Japanese people were pissed that he decided to invested hundreds of billions into the US right now with all economic instability going on right now? Am I mistaken? Or is it a combination of factors?
>>282366691Yeah no. You think an author can just demand the titties to be left intact? Konohana Kitan author clearly wanted them to stay but staff said no so as every japanese she folded.
Procensorship turds are so low IQ that they can't understand that what the people want is an apology to the mangaka and the scriptwriter to fuck off from the industry, why would anyone hate the anime because of 1 shitty scriptwriter? The direction and artistic choices are what made the anime good you dumbasses.
>>282366648nta the threads were absolutely terrible, constant spamming and trolling, with actual raids from discord. You weren't even here for that.
The reasoning Yoshida gave for this change is fucking awful (like the rest of what she said), but bocchi butt in the (now) fetish swimsuit isn't so bad.
>>282358516Gotta love how all the body positivity warriors are now suddenly ok with body shaming when the girl has big tits. Apparently, busty women don't exist now. Fake progressivism strikes again.
>>282366683>This is about the new films released recently.Which were made based on the prequels WHICH were made based on the SEVENTIES' movies.Without the seventies movies the new ones would not even be on pre-production.Thus Bocchi downfall will be years (A decade or decades) in the future and not an instant karma for joining the woke force.
>>282366725Combination of both, prior his resignation there were multiple anti immigration protests and JP as a whole has been pretty pissed about his policies.
>>282366746So what's the discussion about "cancelling" "censored trash" about? It's ok if you never said or implied anything like that.
>>282366741The author being a pussy doesn't mean it's censorship.There's been changes in other anime, to character designs that are unlike the author's original design, but those changes are lewder than the original, you will never see your people saying those are censorship somehow.
>>282366784Oka but as long as you admit your original post was retarded
Weird how nobody had a problem with this "censorship" for 3 years until they were told to.
>>282366691I doubt it cause she's a horny bitch
>>282366747You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, the discord boogeyman says it all. I'm gonna take a wild guess that you're the same type of retard that keeps calling people shills because they like things you don't, and you think there must be some kind of ideology behind it.
>>282366812(You)r original post was retarded
>>282366741>you think an author can just demand the titties to be left intact?If they care enough then yes.
>>282366752The stupidest thing about censoring that scene is that she didn't even need to show Bocchi stepping into the bathtub. She could've shown her feet stepping in, then cut to a shot of her naked in the tub from the shoulders up. It's like Yoshida added the clothed butt flash just to spite Hamazi.
>>282366816It's weird how you make things up so shamelesslyBut anyway, even if no one cared, that wouldn't justify the censorship.
>>282366793Stop deliberately playing dumb. You are perfectly aware that this instance is censorship.
>>282366793Because those changes are driven by entirely different motives.
>>282366862It's weird how you think that every single adaptation change is censorship.
>>282366838Because you weren't there. Some losers depicted the show as being in some sort of "war" against csm and would do constant posting to try to prove either side was winning.> and you think there must be some kind of ideology behind it.It has been proven there is, tourist.
>>282366792Easy, Cloverworks fires her or the next season gets boycotted, one thing is censoring shit, it can be given a pass if the end result is good another thing is calling out the Mangaka like that and expecting people not to be angry about it, the discussion is about how shit like this can't be tolerated and how shitty and unexplainable censorship always comes from subhumans like the scripwriter.
>>282366852If they don't care about potentially never receiving an anime adaptation for any of their works ever again. Rookie mangaka don't have much power.
>>282366816plebbit syndrome, aware of something only after someone makes a headline out of it
>>282366913Neither of these things are happening lol, Cloverworks doesn't care about a few shitposters on 2ch
>>282366895Removing certain things for puritanical reasons does in fact amount to censorship yes
>>282366880You avoided mentioning my assertation as you know I'm correct. Those authors have power over their work, and they can demand whatever they like, no anime staff gets to say what goes and what doesn't go in their own work, they can at best suggest something.
>>282366816>nobody had a problem with this "censorship"Talk for yourself>>282366943So like Kadokawa with Kemono Friends? Ok, let's see how it ends for them.
>>282366935You sure know a lot about reddit. Maybe you should fuck off back there samefag.
>>282366982Kemono Friends was a completely different situation, its not comparable at all.
>>282366954>Those authors have power over their workWrong, BtR is a small manga, the author was happy about her work getting adapted and getting some money, do you think everyone is Togashi or what?
>>282366905You literally have no proof of the garbage you're spewing.Acting like those threads were nothing but war just because at sometimes you had some schizos bring up numbers between the two? You're the only one showing proof that you're a massive newfag when you consider this some huge trolling exercise that must have been coordinated.
>>282366954I avoided your assertation because it has nothing to do with this situation and is a completely pointless comparison. The boobs in Bocchi the Rock were removed because the screenwriter has puritanical views about female sexuality in anime. It is, by definition, a form of censorship. I don't give a shit to argue with your ridiculous semantics dick measuring contest about "buh buh but what about OTHER anime..." you imbecile. Kill yourself.
>>282367031Any changes would have to be approved by the author and the production committee. Do you really think such a large production is going to be infiltrated and sabotaged by a single rogue director for the sake of changing a single scene?
>>282367029What evidence do you want? Some long collection of these posts taken during the times they were airing?>Acting like those threads were nothing but warThey were often ordinary, but often significantly worse than any average thread for seasonal shows>when you consider this some huge trolling exercise that must have been coordinated.It literally was
>>282367003>its not comparable at all>Kadokawa changes the director>KF dies>Aniplex/CW refuses to change the scriptwriter>BtR diesYeah not comparable at all and mind you KF was a giant compared to BtR in popularity.
>>282367031>THIS IS CENSORSHIP BECAUSE I SAY SOI'll be waiting for Hamazi confirm this, as you're not her, and it's likely the idea was passed to her, and she just agreed with it. She's happy going all around the world and clearly still loving to work on her story, truly a person who has been wronged and had her work forced into something she didn't want it to be, truly.
>>282366635I've been complaining for decades, now I've been proven right, it's time.
I don't even see the point of writing posts after posts defending the insane feministDo you think the Japanese businessmen are going to look here? No. Will they look at Twitter or maybe even at 5ch or Futaba if they keep complaining. Much more likely.So unless you're going to try run defence against a bunch of Japanese Twitter users, you're just wasting your time with this
>>282367148Don't even bother with these losers. they are all politically motivated and don't even like anime.
>>282367129If I was her I'd be happy too. At the same time I would also still be against censorship and find the changes stupid. Both things can be true you know.
>>282367104People were pissed off at Kadokawa because they openly screwed over Tatsuki despite his directing explicitly being what saved the franchise from total oblivion. Not only did they fire him in a clear show of ingratitude but they also forced the seiyuu of the anime to act as a PR shield, which pissed everyone off.Meanwhile the director of the BtR anime made Bocchi wear a swiimsuit for a bath scene and posted some silly stuff on twitter. Acting like these are comparable at all makes you look delusional.
>>282367091>What evidence do you want?Anything that is actual proof of some huge group of people all working together to "take the Bocchi the Rock anime threads down", and not your clearly mentally ill mind making wars and enemies out of thin air and basic ass shitposting.>It literally wasyeah, the voices in your head said so. I got better things to do than to argue with a lunatic now.
>>282367068>>282367129First of all, you have no idea what her exact thoughts are on the situation. Secondly, that doesn't matter. Nowhere in the definition of censorship does it say that the original author cannot "comply" with the demands otherwise it totally doesn't count. I don't know why you're so adamant on trying to argue this ridiculous point but you're not fooling anyone. This is censorship.
>>282367203>Meanwhile the director of the BtR anime made Bocchi wear a swiimsuit for a bath scene and posted some silly stuff on twitterCan you at least pretend to know what you're talking about?
>>282367104Bocchi anime sold better than KF. I don't know why you niggas keep downplaying Bocchi's popularity. It's by far the best selling TV anime of the past 5 years.
>>282367129The anime scriptwriter confirmed it already, though?
>>282367068It can be approved for multiple reasons. An author might do so because they don't want to fight back against it, or are first convinced it will help sales somehow. In those cases it's still being censored, the reasons just differ.
>>282367232Can you pretend that you were fine with the anime until you were told not to be?
Damn someone rattled the dog kennel
>>282367176>At the same time I would also still be against censorship and find the changes stupid.You wouldn't find the changes stupid, as those changes have 100% had to be passed to her and to receive her greenlight before going ahead. Adaptions are a collaborative work between the original author and the anime staff, look at any of those and you'll often hear about all the things the author have to confirm before it actually goes through.
>>282367239>It's by far the best selling TV anime of the past 5 years.Stop talking out of your ass, see Kimetsu no Yaiba for instance.
>>2823672031st it wasn't the director, second showing ingratitude is exactly what the screenwriter for the anime did, calling the original mangaka vision just noise insinuating that her views and work are far superior. It's exactly the same situation but with a different context
>>282367222Then first it's on your to provide evidence that the threads were mostly positive on the censored scenes. There were multiple threads a day, so that means you'll need to go through hundreds of threads and present evidence that positive posts outnumber the negative posts. Plenty of anons commented on the forced idea that the two shows were rivals of sorts.
>>282367231If a sentence is spoken slightly differently in the anime than in the manga, is it censorship?
>>282366854Yeah but we got bocchi butt in a school swimsuit, the same type that they introduced because it's so plain, but had to phase out because it became one of the most fetishized article of clothing in Japan ever.
>>282367292You don't actually believe this.
>>282367266It's funny how aggressively you attack his personality, and not only attack his personality but invent flaws that you cannot prove. Really says a lot about your position.
>>282367239KF is the highest selling BD anime in history retard-kun, it sold even more than Bakemonogatari.
>>282367286Kimetsu didn't sell 30k copies per BD volume nigga.
>>282367299Just fuck off, retard. You can bring up as many whataboutisms as you like, it won't change the facts about this particular situation.
>>282367299Is the sentence altered for political reasons?
>>282367299If the person in charge of the lines in the anime states that the sentence was changed due to her ideological beliefs, it would be
>>282358516Good, as long as it works. Fuck the west's influence on Japan.
>>282367331Literally nobody cared about this "censorship" until now, three years after the anime aired. It's obvious that nobody is actually upset about this and just wants another excuse to engage in culture war shitflinging.
>>282367285>as those changes have 100% had to be passed to her and to receive her greenlight before going aheadFirst of all, no. You clearly don't know anything about anime productions. Sometimes the authors aren't involved in the production AT ALL. And even if they are, these sort of "small" changes aren't all forwarded to the author. Or they're playing a game of telephone.
>>282366982>>282367003I think what they think is comparable is that the Japanese fanbase was offended by something, and caused S2 to be a commercial failure. They think this fan behavior was a success.However... S2 was objectively bad, literally shat on S1 (the director of S2 wanted revenge), and Kadokawa is still making mad dosh with otaku stuff.
>>282367330>You don't actually believe your own conclusions after reading the original JP articleWhat sould I believe then? A schizo on /a/ defending a shitty feminist that should inmediatly be fired?
>>282367358Is noise political now? What kind of political stance does the noise of a monkey have? Like the one you're doing in this thread.
>>282367332Are you living in the past? Uma Musume S2 (170k) sold better than KF (130k).
>>282367385Fired for what? Having opinions on the internet?
>>282367362Why do you you lie? and importantly, why do you think that invalidates what he's saying?>culture warNice projection. If you don't care about anime censorship, leave this thread.
>>282367394>Uma Musume>the franchise that pre-censored all doujin pornOops!
>>282367363>Sometimes the authors aren't involved in the production AT ALLIf they directly chose not to. I'm sure many of them just decide they don't give a fuck about their work getting animated, though!God, you people are a real joke.
>>282367337And umamusume sold far more than 100k. Retard.
>>282367362https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/244384895/#244402048Here's someone caring about this censorship 3 years ago. And calling it "censored" and a "censor" too.
>>282367390She used the word noise an a sort of euphemism for erotic content. You clearly don't even know what you're talking about.
>>282367385Can you try writing this without crying next time? You type like someone's who's about to have a heart attack.
>>282367410You will be mad at the current thing and eat your culture war slop
>>282367402Calling out the original author of the work you have a rol on in the adaptation is hardly having an opinion on the internet, it was also an interview and yes she should be fired and she will be most likely.
>>282367442>I don't think it was egregioussounds like they didn't really care that much, not enough to try and call for people to get fired.
>>282367442>not even a response>one post out of the perma generals BtR had/a/ burned through multiple BtR threads a day at its peak.
>>282367390A feminist changed or removed fanservice from an anime she was adapting in line with her stance of being against fanservice involving girls. If you can't see how that's influenced by her ideology and as such is censorship, you're wilfully blind
>>282366666You forgot that her tit size was nerfed to "make the show more appealing to children" or some bullshit.
>>282367454The anons here are angry because anime they like is censored. It's very sad that you can't think beyond politics.
>>282367450Oh, here we go, this is the part where you stop pretending, and you're turning a simple direct sentence into something entirely different, the kind of thing you'd expect from a bad political actor trying to convince others of their opinion through media.
>>282367464Where did she "call out" Hamazi?
>>282367452Can you try writing this without the armpit hair of your feminist overlord in your mouth, looks like the fumes are getting you dizzy
>>282367390>>282367496And replaced it with different fanservice >>282366752Sure, chances are it wasn't her intention to let us stare at her butt, or that she was overruled, or something.
>>282367490>>282367495You can read that thread for a whole damn discussion about it if you want. Or just save me the time and search "Bocchi censored" in the archives yourselves. Either way, you were lying, people clearly did fucking care when it aired. Obviously, we've had spammers repost the same fucking maid image for years since it aired.
>>282367496Do you think she made this decision completely on her own initiative and did so without the approval of the production committee?
>>282367417No you're the joke. There are literal horror stories when it comes to these things. Sexy Tanaka author literally killed herself because of the way her drama adaptation turned out despite trying very strongly to influence how her adaptation was being handled.
>>282366666This. People tend to bath naked. Only americans and burgers think nudity is inherently sexual. Which makes Yoshida bullshit, of course, I'm not questioning that part.
>>282367533>fanservice>completely untextured buttThis is cope
>>282367506It must have been a misunderstanding because your post was incoherent. Feel free to just explain what your point was in that post.
>>282367548>d-do your own research!It's not my job to find your proof for you
>>282367548It's not between "nobody cared" and "everyone cared". Some people cared, but the masses of anons didn't really give a shit.
>>282366725not the first time the americans rob japan
>>282367556Is there any evidence that Hamazi was against the changes or is unhappy about the adaptation of her work? Do you really think that making Bocchi wear a swimsuit in a bath scene is comparable to the mangling that the Sexy Tanaka-san adaptation was?
>>282367565Thinking it's inherently sexual is an anglo thing, not merely american. You can complain about this, but with a level of prudism anime becomes much more exciting.
>>282367552I wouldn't know the exact inner workings of a Japanese company I've never worked for. I imagine she had some support from people working there, some of them also holding anti-otaku viewsOne of the higher ups tried to defend that interview on Twitter and ended up taking down the posts due to the response they got. That doesn't change the fact that this anime scriptwriter went out of her want to talk about the adaptation in the way she did which ended up leading to the current situation
>>282367533Are you neglecting this? >>282367499You should read the entire article. She goes on about how anime needs to have more realistic representation, and how anime characters should be treated as real people with regards to their age and etc, and also how she thinks anime should be censored to be more appealing to kids. She literally pulls the "for the children" card.Here, take a look:https://kai-you.net/article/93374
>>282367626>Are you neglecting this?No. I even made it explicit. What the fuck, anon.
>>282367590So you've switched to "some people cared" instead of "no one cared". That's a good improvement.
>>282367533There is literally NOTHING sexual about that completely featureless ass.
>>282367619So you think that this person snuck this change into the adaptation, hiding it from everyone until it was too late to change it, in an act of directorial sabotage?
>>282367556Exceptional examples that COULD'VE been taken to the court of law that happens 1 in every 500 productions. Exactly the same thing being discussed here.
>>282367647I never said "no one cared".You simply can't deny that it wasn't a big deal for most anons.
>>282367686But some people cared, that refutes your claim that anons only care now.
>>282367659Is a sukimizu not a fetish object?
>>282367659Maybe if you're homosexual or a woman (like Yoshida). It was just a short cut and in movement, but it was a butt in fetish clothing.
Why did that woman think that it's a good idea to talk about this shit?Overconfidence? Narcissism?She could just have remain silence and people would have forgot about it
>>282367662Retard said 100% of changes have to go through the authors at all times. I'm not the one making these baseless claims.
>>282367717Because people asked her.
>>282367686I don't even understand how this is an argument. Now we have confirmation from the source that much of sexual stuff in Bocchi was intentionally censored by this woman. Are people not allowed to be angry at this now that new information has arisen?
>>282367717Most likely self-righteousness
>>282367704>But some people cared, Yes. I never disagreed.>that refutes your claim that anons only care now.It wasn't a big deal... now it is a big deal.It's simple to understand, anon! You can do it!
>>282367526Dunno anon, what do you think calling the original scene "noise" means in that context?
>>282367724You think that she made these changes completely on her own initiative and without approval from the production committee or the author, an act of directorial sabotage solely for the sake of putting a school swimsuit on a character for a bath scene.
>>282367724The very article showcases that what the anime staff did was directly Illegal. Of course, if some morons decide to put their careers on the line just to ignore the author, something exceptional will happen, troglodyte.
>>282367747The shills knew they had lost when threads started being made a day or two ago. Now they've resorted just to accusing everyone of bad faith.
>>282367661No, I don't think that. Nice strawman
>>282367752You haven't answered the question. You're evading.
>>282363829>Yes, there's a bunch of people on 2chan who are also fed up with the nonstop twitter drama threads.its good to know some things are the same no matter where you go
>Anons are learning for the first time that anime adaptations tone down the original contentI don't see you crying over all the censorship over violence HXH 2011 or even the 99 which was also full of those, even changing character lines to make so the attack wasn't really fatal. Or censorship is only bad when it makes your minuscule pee pee hard? Hypocrites.
>>282367777>IllegalHuh?
>>282367752Please tell us more about your headcanon about Hamazi and this woman. Are they mortal enemies? I don't know, I feel like we could have a enemies-to-lovers moment, if we try hard enough, this might the spark of something great.
>>282367779See >>282367750What do you disagree with?>>282367803I'm waiting for that retard to learn about the K-On bowl.
>>282367750The reason it's suddenly important now is because we've learned of new information that actually confirms what we suspected. Did you think the post you just made was intelligent?
>>282367791Then why do you imply it? Do you really think that the director just hated the material and the author and that they expressed this by changing a single scene, or are you just bored and addicted to being angry?
>>282367750The original statement, which may or may not have been you, was >>282367362"Literally nobody cared" - false - and then "nobody is actually upset about this and just wants another excuse to engage in culture war shitflinging" - false, as you said, the new information made this a bigger deal for people than it used to be.
>>282367825>>282367823
>>282367825It doesn't matter why it's important now. I only said that it wasn't a big deal back then. But if you tell facts here, you're the target of projection immediately and get called a shill.This is why (You) are a retarded asshole which leaks shit.
>>282367839>what is hyperboleif you're arguing semantics then you know you've already lost on the merits.
>>282367795>>282367822>retarded tranny rethoricsYawn.
>>282367803Maybe it's because no one cares about those shows? This is funny because the argument you were making earlier was that we're all dishonest and only pretending to be outraged.
>>282367839That wasn't me, I responded for the first time two posts later.
>>282367866>everyone i disagree with is current thing
>>282367860It could reasonably be assumed that it might not have been malicious back then. It can't now, as we know why it happened.
>>282367866Oh, there it is, the tranny word, I suppose you just auto win this argument!Congratulations anon. I hope you're proud of yourself, you really outdid yourself this time.
>>282367874>HxH>one of the most popular shounen franchises>nobody cares about HxHWhat is this fucking thread?
>>282367825You learned they removed lewd scenes to make it more family friendly? Really? Did you really need someone to tell you this? Let me tell you a secret, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball Daima were not 1% as violent as the original series, all to make it more accessible.
>>282367860The "fact" that the director hates Hamazi and deliberately sabotaged her work by secretly forcing a swimsuit onto Bocchi?
>>282367893>>282367898>not denying itWhat was it? Oh yes, you are evading.
>>282367862Don't make dishonest statements if you don't want to be called out on it. It was obvious from the start that you're all politically motivated anyway.
The interview literally quotes her as saying drawings are minors
>>282367803There's a difference between having to tone down aspects of an anime due to the broadcaster/time slot (Hunter x Hunter 2011 was aired in a kid's timeslot right up until Chimera Ants) and a work being changed because a radical insane feminist working on it decided that she needed to change it and then bragged about how those changes made the work better
>>282367874It's not "those shows", it's ALL SHOWS you mongoloid, you are just ignorant about the adaptations and just mad they censored a lewd scene this time. You are a hypocrite and a coward.
>>282367920What you posted is why people find it important now. My post explicitly explained how I didn't talk about importance, but how people perceived it back then.HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU
They removed Marin's nipples to demoralize you, anime directors are literally waging war on the white man
>>282367908What are you confused by? What would people who care about shows like this care about shounen?
>>282367931>you're all politically motivated anyway.Extremely rich coming from you, my friend.
>>282367831>the directorThe scriptwriter and director are two different people
>>282367933Hamazi is a known lolicon
>>282367911No they removed them for the mad beliefs of the episode writer
>>282367931>UMMMMM you didn't use the EXACT definition of literally so I win and you're a trannyyou argue like a redditor
>>282367941No, there is no difference, they changed it so they could make more money, this is the reason, this is always the reason, it's the same reason they were toning down violence and fanservice even in the 60s, yes in the fucking 60s.
>>282367982The episode writer's mad beliefs are that nudity is harmful to children and thus not family friendly.Same shit, really.
>>282367943>You are a hypocrite and a coward.Nope, neither. Your post is very retarded. People here don't care about those anime because they don't watch them.
>>282367951At most they are waging war at japanese man since that's the main target audience and not the foreigners stupid memelord.
>>282368011You only watched bocchi then.
>>282367990That's not what happened though. You sad no one cared, then got proven that people did care. It's not about definitions of words. Very weird post.
>>282358516Reminder for people who want to know what REALLY happened:At an anime event, Erika Yoshida, the scriptwriter for Bocchi the Rock!, looked back on the production of Bocchi the Rock!."In the original work, there's a scene where Hitori-chan gets naked to get into the cold bath, but we had it changed to a swimsuit for the anime. If Bocchi the Rock! were a work that sold itself on that kind of "sexy thing", it would be fine, but I don't believe it is. I thought those kinds of depictions would be a "noise" when aiming for "haken" . Haken in this case is like the top hit of the top, in anime is usually means it's the best anime of the season."The original work is truly wonderful, the original work side was very cooperative, the staff including the director and the music team are all working seriously, and Kerorira-sensei is drawing incredibly good illustrations. Even from the production stage, I thought this was a work that could become a top hit. But if there was that kind of "noise", it would prevent many people from watching it."As indicated by her comments, the original author agreed and cooperated. The staff, original author, and music team all worked together to create a top-tier anime.Mikito Chinen, author of the light novel Amahisa Takaono, took a single, carefully selected line out of the entire interview and quote-tweeted it, saying: "The scriptwriter calling the original work's expression 'noise'... hasn't that crossed a line?" engaging in word policing and fueling misunderstanding and backlash (flame wars) as if the scriptwriter had disregarded the original author.Fans, stirred up by Mikito Chinen, thought it was the same situation as the Sexy Tanaka-san controversy that totally changed the original work (which ended in suicide) and attacked the scriptwriter, causing this weird backlash.
>>282368042even the example you showed was someone who didn't really care.
>>282367951>White menAsians are not white, they don't like white men, they don't consider white men to be human, they don't consider you to be their consumer at all.
I don't even know why I waste my time in these threads filled with morons and cancer.I just hope the culture warrior bullshit people (which includes Yoshida of course) are gone by BtR2).I know, but hope dies last.
>>282368059>>282368024But I thought the japs were honorary aryans?
>>282368004Sorry but your lies don't work >>282367626
>>282368001You literally have no idea what you're talking about
>>282368086Reading the actual comments its clear that >>282368001 is correct.
>>282368083Texas.
>>282367803I mean, people DID complain about the censorship of violence in HxH 2011. Apparently it's hyperbole to point that out though. But yes, a lot of people complain about censorship of violence too, especially historically when it was worse than it is now. But again, the context of that is different to the context of this, people care less and don't get completely up in arms if it's genuinely plausible that it was out of the studio's control for example, i.e. television broadcast standards. The thing that really rubbed people the wrong way about this particular instance now, compared to when it aired 3 years ago, is that that plausibility is lost now that the screenwriter has openly admitted the reason why it was censored (although people did care back then, as people always care when this kind of thing happens, and no amount of "but it always happens" changes that.)
>>282368064Fucking bullshit! I reached full wizardship age, but my powers never awoke. Had I known this earlier I would have broken the seal much earlier.
>>282367361The west didn't do anything you schizophrenic.
>>282368052You're free to search the archive
>>282368184You're free to actually prove the point you're trying to make
>>282368181Western jews are who the episode writer derived her beliefs from, which inspired her censorship
>>282368134>But yes, a lot of people complain about censorship of violence too, especially historically when it was worse than it is now.What do you mean it was worse? We used to get gallons of blood in older anime, shit has been bleak since the Higurashi 2nd season shitshow for blood and violence. Look it up.
>>282368181American anime companies did this with their influence. Also China.Japan used to be extremely liberal towards nudity. Americans are shocked when they learn that female kids take baths naked together with adults.
>>282368224There was a period of time of black shadows on everything and then removing it later in the BDs with gore.
>>282368086You are just obsessed with your fantasy which disregards anime production itself so you can attack a single scriptwriter who isn't even the director or any higher up, they all made the decision of toning down Bocchi just like they tone down EVERY SINGLE ANIME you watch so they can potentiate viewership and this has always been the industry standard.
>>282368059>Asians are not whiteJapanese are Honorary Aryans. Not all asians.>they don't like white menThey love white men. Here I have proof.heyo it isu me, I rabu whiteu guy! super coor, yea!There you have it, stay mad jeet.
>>282368259Yes, that was early 2010's. When Higurashi season 2 came out, it coincided with some fucko going around knifing people (not the Akiba guy). After that shit got bleak for boradcast violence in anime, they introduced some new legislation, that's when the black bars started.
>>282368208posts complaining about it herehttps://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/bocchi%20fanservice/page/8/
>>282368059japs often don't like outsiders but definitely prefer white people to anyone else
>>282368409Most of those posts either aren't actually complaining about censorsing the fanservice in Bocchi or talking about how they prefer it that way.
I'm just going to post Google translated quotes from the article here >>282367626These are her own words
>>282368134Anon, they could just have aired it on another time slot, but they didn't because they wanted to target children just like almost every other shonen with kid protagonists, it's all there is to it, they are not victims, they just wanted more money because children buys more merchandise and it's no different than Bocchi, a scriptwriter is not the production committee, she isn't even the director, she is just following the guideline established for the Bocchi anime project, just like every shonen meeting has them discussing how further they can take things.
>>282368409>that kishida or something spammer is included in thisWeak. So weak.
>>282368450
>>282368448They stated it wasn't there, they acknowledged it. Not everyone whines at every moment. It's not like you're arguing honestly anyway.
>>282368401>>282368441Delusional, they don't see any of you different of any brown.
>>282368477You lied earlier.
>>282368481This "he" is her, Google just translates it as "he" for some reason
>>282368485you're grasping at straws, its clear that back then the "censorship" was a total non-issue. You only care about it now because culture war slop peddlers told you to be mad.
>>282368283Nobody except for an extreme feminist is going to think that a bathscene needs to be taken out so that more people will watch. Or what, that Bocchi needs to have her boobs reduced in size?You have no idea what you're talking about>>282368124And stop samefagging
>>282368514
>>282368525>s-s-samefag!cry harder
>>282368517The more you try this pathetic act of defending some radical insane feminist, the more attention you bring to this topicThe best thing you could actually do would be to stop replying to people
>>282368517It's pretty much impossible to win with you. Even when supplying evidence, no matter how much, you'll keep saying it's not enough. And this whole discussion is just derived from you attacking anons personally rather than responding to arguments that it is censorship. You're pathetic.
>>282368544>if applied to real lifelollmao
>>282368525>Starts culture war schizoing about how anime production works >You have no idea what you are talking aboutThey had a meeting and established what were the guidelines for the anime production and they told them they wanted simplified designs that would appeal to a larger age demographic and they also wanted to remove any content that could be interpreted as pointless fanservice. Sorry anon but "feminists" (who even admitted she would have no issues working on a R18 project) did not take over production committees and you can be pretty sure the old men running aniplex are not feminists in any way.
>>282368517No, we care about it now because a freak came on recording admitting to have deliberately changed it according her bullshit ideology. Stop eating slop and being disingenuous.
>>282368602All you did was post a search with the terms "bocchi" and "fanservice", most of those posts have nothing to do with your argument. Its clear that the vast majority of people did not care about this supposed "censorship".
MY NOISE LEVELSTHEY'RE INCREASING
>>282368509No I didn't. Point out where you think I did.
>>282368639Proof?
>>282368409Here's some more specific examples because he's just gonna deflect, though we both know he's just gonna try and deflect from these too.>>243913078Here's some complaining about it being censored and how it makes Bocchi look like a "repressed, prudish freak" - bonus points for another reply literally saying "I agree, this was also retarded".>>245468574Here's a post comparing Bocchi to Renai Flops, saying that Bocchi was "truly" censored, "completely cuts everything and is completely non-lewd", and "fuck PuritanWorks".>>250100345Another post saying "I fucking despise CloverWorks" in response to postulating about how it was censored for a G rating (half correct, pretty good guess!)https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%22bocchi%20the%20censored%22/order/asc/page/1/Bonus for some guy who got REALLY angry and spammed "Bocchi the Censored" in most Bocchi threads while it was airing and a couple years afterwards.It goes on but you get the point.
>>282368642My genderless toddler does not approve of this
>>282368567And remember that to him it's probably not even about anime and censorship. To them, it's all just part of their "culture war". They're imagining us as caricatures of their political enemies. You can't win, they're just worthless subhumans.
>>282368642This is from Houbusha not from the merchandise companies involved in the anime.
>>282368670you found 3 posts and one schizo in a sea of thousands of posts, truly everyone was mad about how bocchi was "censored".
>>282368690You know it's not from the anime since it's actual Hamazi art instead of genderless flat art
>>282368638Not him but why can't people be outraged about "appealing to a wider demographic"? That means they censor things. It's a trend that's increasing in all Japanese media. Why can't people be mad about that?Did you read some of the other points this woman has? Look at this >>282368544 she thinks anime characters are real and should not be sexualized. That is an incredibly dangerous point of view for someone as deep in the industry as she is. I don't understand why you either can't see this or simply refuse to see it.
>>282368638>Sorry anon but "feminists" (who even admitted she would have no issues working on a R18 project)Get that quote. And make sure it's specifically about a work with girls, because we are already aware that she has no problem with male fanservice>they wanted simplified designsSimplified is doing quite a lot of work here. You know exactly what she's implying>Starts culture warYou might as well just admit you have no real stake in this
>>282368703Those goalposts look heavy
>>282368640>Its clear that the vast majority of people did not care about this supposed "censorship".Prove it. Prove no one cared. Go on, do it. Go through the archives and come out with posts to prove it.
>>282368709Where in that quote does she say that anime characters are real? Can you point to the exact part of the quote?
>>282368703Find posts proving people didn't care
>>282368727You already did by posting that archive search. Anyone can click that link and see that even amidst posts that mention "bocchi" and "fanservice" the majority of them did not mention or reference censorship. You suffer from mental illness.
>>282368718You just keep repeating the same dishonest bullshit because you come from a place where such tactics are successful.
>>282368731You are being pedantic. She is saying that drawings should be held to the same standard as real life. That is saying, in essence, that "anime characters are real." It is a danger not only to the quality of a production but also to free expression.
>>282368767Again, can you point to the part of the quote where she says this?
>>282368762That's exactly you. You switched this entire argument to being about whether people cared because you lost the original argument about whether it's censorship.
>>282368796Is it censorship when they draw Jojo characters with different hair colors than Araki's art?
>>282368796You keep repeating your lies because you realized that anons back then really didn't care much. Having to lie about everything, sad.
>>282368219>>282368255You need to take your medicine.
>>282368835Is that motived by ideology?
>>282367893>>282367898are you gay/trans??
>>282368794I think you're just baiting. Are you unable to read between the lines?
>>282368847Nope, no one has lied except you. It is censorship and people did care and you cannot disprove it. You're a liar and completely malicious and hate anime and support censorship. You should be sentenced to in a court along with all the other tourist freaks coming here to argument their "culture war".
Unf, I like how her boobs are on display.
>>282368855So if nipples are covered up to comply with broadcast standards that's not censorship since it's not due to ideology?
Man you guys are making a lot of noise, keep it down would you
>>282368917It depends whether that broadcast standard is derived from mere expectations of public decency or directly from ideology
>>282368882You're arguing that the quote says something completely different than what its saying.
>>282368925The noise is unbereable indeed
>>282368835The Jojo manga is black and white and Araki himself is deliberately inconsistent with his colouring choices. Why would that be censorship?It would be censorship if they refused to colour character's outfits in certain ways because of their own ideologies but I can't even think of an ideology insane enough to exist like that. If say, someone involved in the anime of Part 5 said that there was a rule about portraying Giorno with blue eyes and blonde hair because they thought it would be "too Aryan", that would be censorship.
>>282358516Didn't read and hang yourself.
Why is /a/ full of industry bootlickers nowadays?
>>282368638Answer>>282368709>Not him but why can't people be outraged about "appealing to a wider demographic"? That means they censor things. It's a trend that's increasing in all Japanese media. Why can't people be mad about that?Did you read some of the other points this woman has?
>>282368917It is censorship but platform based censorship, if it comes from within like a retard feminist screenwriter who clearly stated her goal was to censor the original work, then it's ideological.
>>282368938So covering up nipples could possibly not be censorship?
>>282368973Post 2012 /a/ was a mistake but post 2020 needs to die really.
>>282364171>that a large portion of the userbase moved to discordAs real as the cripplechan "exodus".
>>282368993Where did she state that her goal was to censor the original work?
>>282368999It's all censorship in a way, but it's ideology censorship that many people are so opposed to.
>>282369046So then censorship doesn't have to involve ideology?
>>282368979Of course not, because this thread is full of idiots who are just here to make people mad by deliberately being contrarian. There's no genuine discussion to be had on this board anymore.
>>282363185FTBucket link?
>>282368999The only way it's not might be if in an original version a character is intentionally covering her nipples. Hair conveniently sticks to them? A form of censorship. If it's a conscious decision made to try to hide them, not really.
>>282368973They're not native
>>282368999Censorship: the suppression or removal of writing, artistic work, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.Never thought I would need to spoonfeed a retard about the meaning of censorship more so when google exists.
>>282368973It's like 2 people samefagging the entire thread
>>282369069What point are you trying to make?
>>282368973>>282369111Samefag.
>>282362718>raising her son as "non-binary"She's saying she's raising him to not be pressured into doing things based on gender roles with the punchline being she has trouble because hes a generic boy anyway. There's nothing about making her son "Non-binary". She wouldn't refer to him as a son if she were raising him to be non-binary. You're being dishonest. If you have to be dishonest then you're wrong and you know you're wrong.>>282363648Stop believing everything you read online just because it makes you angry/confirms your bias. You're making yourself look retarded.
>>282368709>Not him but why can't people be outraged about "appealing to a wider demographic"? I mean, you can but ultimately it's pointless, it's pretty much getting outraged at how the business works and has always worked, you are just upset you got a face to scream at.>That means they censor things. It's a trend that's increasing in all Japanese media. Why can't people be mad about that?This is what is wrong, they always censored and changed things, people here would lose their shit with all the changes Osamu Tezuka made in the 80s version of Astro Boy, all because he felt bad how racist he was, he literally turned a group of unga bunga into super scientists wakanda style. Are you really making this argument when we have an ecchi porn adaptation and that yuri bath thing.>she thinks anime characters are real and should not be sexualized. That is an incredibly dangerous point of view for someone as deep in the industry as she is. I don't understand why you either can't see this or simply refuse to see it.People are allowed to dislike fanservice, in the same way the are allowed to disagree what aspects of a work make them better or worse. Would you enjoy if instead of censorship they added new scenes in every romcom where the girl have very explicit sex with a black? Yes, I'm appealing to the american number one fetish. You are not going to be a hypocrite and say only the type of fanservice you like is allowed, right? Or try to make the retarded argument that porn does not count as fanservice, even though the core of the argument is what type of content people are allowed to enjoy or not.
If some anime director went on social media and said if they tone down lewdness it's always done to make more money by not scaring off women and less otaku men and they never do it out of self-righteousness it would really take all the condescension out of thisEveryone understands you have to get the bag, everyone hates being part of someone else's moral preening
>>282369234The Japanese don't have this perception at all.
It literally says "genderless" in katakana and lil bro is trying to spin it in a different direction>Actually, what she meant by "genderless" was...LMAOOOOOOOO
>>282368794>「アニメの表現だからってなんでもありじゃない。“絵だけど、未成年だぞ”って考え方は大事にしています」
>>282369030https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2#5“If you think about it realistically, there’s no way someone’s chest would keep jiggling unnaturally while playing the guitar. If I saw a depiction like that, I’d hesitate to show the work to my young son. For me, whether I’d feel comfortable letting my own child watch it is an important standard.”
>Americans confused about the concept of not letting TV raise your children
>>282369167Even "genderless" is such a weird red flag. She even says he like fights against it with his Ultraman quotes. It's ok to not want people like that in the industry.
>>282369438>We just want porn addict pedophiles
>>282369467What even is your argument here? Legitimately, what are you trying to say?
>>282369234Yoshida specifically calls out anime and manga as being for men, even though most mangaka are women.
>>282359485Twitter is(for better or worse), and always has been one of the primary social media channels in Japan.
>>282369201NTA, but it's a little disingenuous in this instance to say that it's just a matter of her disliking fanservice, she's using her position as a script writer in the industry to go out of her way to remove it from a work which contains it, even though the type of fanservice in the original work is very tame by comparison to say, explicit blacked pornography, and is encouraging others, with her stated hopeful goal of "everyone", to do the same thing. If I were in her position, I would not go out of my way to deliberately erase blacked porn from works which originally contained them, even if I dislike it.I also feel like bringing up the argument of "what if they added something new to the original work which is bad" is, albeit a similar premise, ultimately a different argument. That isn't censorship, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing, and the reason why is similar to why censorship is disliked; it's messing with the author's original works in a way perceived to be a negative change.Granted, all of this is not a catch-all kind of thing, it's case by case which is why not everybody gets so upset by absolutely every single change ever made. You might be able to really stretch the definition of censorship to argue that if the character's hair color was brown and the adaptation changed it to blonde maybe that counts, but that's not equal to other forms of censorship, such as removing scenes or characters for example.I understand that the removal of boobs from an anime isn't going to matter to everyone, just like changing hair color isn't, but it matters to me because I like boobs and I don't think a casual expression of sexuality in anime is a bad thing that needs to be cut out, and so I'm naturally going to oppose someone who thinks the opposite. You can call that hypocritical, everybody has a different line they draw for what's going too far, that's just how it is. As you say, people are allowed to dislike, but that's different to censor.
>>282360713Yeah, it's not like every anime, manga, and publisher uses it as the main way they connect with the Japanese public or anything...right?
>>282369819One quick addition, given certain contexts will also change the weight of the change made too. For example, although normally most people probably wouldn't care too much about a hair color change, some people may really like redheads and be upset if a redhead character is changed to a different hair color. Or an even more extreme example, if a director harbors a deep grudge against, say, blondes and changes all established blonde characters in their works to something else, I think more people would criticize that at that point.
>>282366889They're exactly the same motives: to bring the work closer to the adapter's tastes and away from the original author's tastes.The only difference is whether the adapter's tastes or the original author's tastes align more with your, the viewer's.
>>282369467Yes, and?
Its pathetic how compromised this board is.Everyone in this thread either supporting or pretending to be incredibly dense in regards to the gloating of erasing and demonizing the source material for this piece of shits personal beliefs doesn't like the original culture of anime and manga at all in any capacity. In fact they hate it. Yes I am speaking for you because you won't ever say the truth yourselves because you only know how to lie to get your way. You are all trash and not worth even communicating with, because you do not attempt to communicate you only attempt to propagandize those who read anything you type. You have tanked the integrity of every single hobby, every single forum, every single website with communication. Nobody can communicate any more because you treat everyone you speak at as either a wall or a convenient tool to convert others if you think the person your arguing with makes themselves look bad.Every single one of you faggots puts your "side" above all else and its obvious. All of you retards should have been united if you loved anime, you should want the inner thoughts of the source material writers properly displayed on the screen in its fully glory, no matter what it might be, even if it strongly opposes your views in real life and that goes for anything at all. Instead you choose to vehemently hate whatever you believe the opposing "side" likes knowing full well it will bring about the complete obliteration of anime eventually.I would find it a lot easier to believe all of you actually enjoy making people who like anime upset over enjoying anime yourselves.
>>282368544>IF applied to real lifeBecause they aren't real>Having a strong sense of responsibility is a sign of your commitment to expression.Not wrong in a vacuum, in this context, sounds like gaslighting to justify censorship.
>>282367450It's not a euphemism. It's professional jargon in the Japanese entertainment industry. It's used for aspects that veer away from your desired brand image and may "confuse" your audience. They need things to fall neatly into a predetermined genre so that viewers know what to expect.They decided not to market BtR as a sexy anime for a male audience, but rather a family-friendly one, so any misplaced ecchi would be creating noise in that signal.
>>282370149Why are you avatarfagging with Ruri?
>>282368639Literally this. If she said that they removed the fanservice to make the series more marketable to a wider audience, the backlash wouldn't have been nearly this severe.
>>282370092>all this text for an insignificant sceneANON YOU FUCKING RETARDI GET ITYOSHIDA IS EVIL WE ALL EVEN AGREEBUT YOUARE A FUCKING MORON
>>282370007>bring the work closer to the adapter's tastes and away from the original author's tastesdisgusting
>>282370258why are you a shill, report me i bet u already did
>>282368441They think blacks are very cool.
>>282368498Germans are honorary Japanese.
>>282370316Why am I a "shill" for asking why you are avatarfagging with Ruri?Do you deny it?
>>282370423Why do you care? "avatar fagging"you should have applied for a Jannitor position maaybe
>>282358516That account in your post isn't an anime fan. He tweets all day about Japanese culture wars and inflation.https://twitter.com/bed_dekobokoPretty on the nose, tourists will never shut the fuck up pretending to watch anime to force their retarded politics onto everyone.
>>282370464There were some anons who massively shitposted Ruri threads for being "censored". I'm wondering whether you were one of them, and whether avatarfagging with Ruri and Nagi is your way to express yourself as being an obnoxious, dishonest asshole.You're very good at this.
>>282367129NTA but why are you arguing in such bad faith? Nobody said she's distraught about the change. Her feelings, if they exist/existed at all, are probably mild. More than likely she was a little uncomfortable with the change at first, then stopped caring after a short time. Irrelevant as to whether the censorship was a good idea regardless.
>>282370534That's a very balanced opinion. Except for one detail. Are other adaptation changes censorship too, or only if they offend you?
>Attacks the twitter account owner instead of his argumentLol
>>282370576that's the anime industry shill for you. There are 3 of them on /a/ and they're chronically online, Paid shills
>>282370528>dishonest>you quoted "censored" like Nagi didn't have her panties censored maaybe you're the dishonest one.
>>282370576>>282370599You retards were intentionally mistranslating the Bocchi manga for years to censor the Kirara yuri service because of your retarded brown religion lmao.This panel makes you froth at the mouth and seethe like the third world subhumans you are. I can physically assault you by posting it.
>>282370599>Attacks the anon and calls him a shill instead of his argumentLol
>>282370494You only posted one tourist. Post more examples or you're lying, please.
I'm atheist tho
These threads are just an excuse for /pol/tards to whine about America.
>>282370679>NagiHoly shit, you exposed yourself so easily. You really don't watch any anime or care about it.You have to go back.
I don't really know much about this scandal but what does the mangaka, aka the original author, have to say about this? Has she said anything at all?
>>282370733>Moving the goal postso... you were dishonest
>>282358516complete nothingburger
>shill shill shill>not a single argumentAbsolutely mindbroken,
>>282370730Nah, I'm here to whine about Erika Yoshida being a fat retard pig who shouldn't be writing anime.
>>282370773She says, uh, "congratulations to Yamada Ryo, once I've finished the manga work I'll draw you". AKA jack shit, as expected.
>>282370824But you didn't care about BtR before...
Anime has always been censored here and there, what's the point of this thread?
>>282370559More context would be needed about the type of change, but Bocchi is a rare example of me being buttmad about censorship (and I was buttmad since late S1 when it became obvious to me what the anime was doing); typically I don't really care. I just view it as a fact or life and something anime studios have to do. Bocchi is unusually severe in its sanitization, both in frequency and the extremity of each instance. I don't mind things like Ranma removing nipples from scenes where they were present in the manga because the spirit of the scene was preserved (it's a fanservice scene with hot naked big-tittied girl) and because the toned-down nature feels less like a statement and more just conforming with broadcast standards. And sometimes scenes are gutted on a much deeper level, but that's okay so long as there's not a frequent pattern of it and the adaptation remains at least somewhat faithful to the source a decent percentage of the time. Bocchi the Rock is a worse example than the norm because the censorship is global. It's not minor tweaks to select scenes, it's not nuking a small handful of moments here and there, it's completely removing every last semblance of sexuality from the series. Not even just Bocchi, Nijika's mid to late 20s older sister also had her boobs removed. There's something a little gross about censoring the series to the point of being like the Japanese version of Charlie Brown when the original at least possessed light, occasional sexual elements.
>282370895this is the shill's favorite quote to demoralize you and silence the opposition: "Anime has always been censored" He says this in every thread just look in the archives.Everyone knows that's wrong.
>>282362964a mixture of antijapan propaganda trying to paind those heckin japs as dumb and straight up idiots that have the sarcasm go over their heads due to the language barrier
twitter outrageslop thread, jannies do your fucking job
>>282370962This type of passive aggressive responding to a post without properly quoting is tourist bullshit.Go back.>avatarfagging with Illya again
>>282370895Its easier to get mad at one individual than a massive vague industry that nobody can point any blame at or do anything about. Oh this studio with a hundred animators and production companies with tons of faceless businessmen censored my anime I wish they would stop! Thats about the best they can do. A direct person bragging about doing it is different.
>>282370962Schizo.
>>282370937Actually anime was always as sanitized as Charlie Brown, and that's a good thingYou're a tourist
>>282362380>>282365100if streaming wasn't irrelevant then solo gookening wouldn't have been a catastrophic flop for kadokawa
>>282370937>and I was buttmad since late S1 when it became obvious to me what the anime was doingWhat was the anime doing?> it's completely removing every last semblance of sexuality from the series. Not even just Bocchi, Nijika's mid to late 20s older sister also had her boobs removed. So your only complaints is that the boob sizes got reduced, and the bath scene? All that was obvious by episode 2. Why did you become buttmad only in "late S1"?
>>282362718The whole thing a lot worse lmao.>My son is 4yo now, i wished to raise him to become quite genderless. However, he likes Ultraman and kaijus and said things like "men are meant to keep promises" since he was 2. I would response "it has nothing to do with being a man". I think I need to teach him a lot of things.Her son would go full 918 imperial japan chud if he survives the brainrot.
>>282371126That's why you tourists are actually here.
>>282371111That's reason enough. I'm playing videogames right now, sorry but I think I'm going to have to skip out on this kangaroo court meeting with someone who it's easy to tell from a mile away is setting up to argue in bad faith.
>>282371001This
>>282370937Funny, because not even Peanuts went so far as to completely flatten all the adult women in the extraordinarily few times they actually did show up visually.
>>282371166>writes big ass post>doesn't respond to any of the key questions>says "sorry I have to go now">pretends I'm the one arguing in bad faithYeah, you fucked up when you said "late S1". You probably didn't even know the bath scene was in episode 2.
>>282371199>Checks myanimelist>Bocchi the Rock was the only anime Kerorira was the lead character designer or did any character design at all.I wonder why.
>>282371207I'm not arguing in bad faith, I just don't want to get roped into an argument with someone who does. I already said that I'm very forgiving of toning things down in anime adaptations and view it as unfortunate and disappointing rather than annoying. I overlooked episode 2 because I assumed it was just a bog standard isolated example of a scene being toned down to comply with broadcast standards. It was only towards the end of the season, particularly the meido scene, after many repeated examples, where it became obvious that there was a global "Remove every single vaguely sexual element from the series without exception" prudish ideology present. >>282371199That's a good point but unfortunately it's argue to argue Bocchi S1's handling without arguing in bad faith apparently.
>>282371287*impossible to argueAnd that 'big ass post' was me trying to have a reasonable conversation, sorry, was obviously a mistake on my part to bother.
>>282371287Sorry, but I'm wary.Did you find the manga sexual?Why do you call it "S1"? S2 is not out.
It's not like the manga shows nipples, you can hardly call it censorship.
>>282371375I agree. The real problem is the attitude of Yoshida. She should get the boot. But stop pretending BtR got ruined somehow.
>>282371342>Did you find the manga sexual?Rarely. Using that word for it would obviously be an exaggeration. It wasn't a primary element, secondary element, maybe not even a tertiary element. It didn't avoid any and all sexuality at all times like the anime does though. The anime basically bends over backwards to ensure that it's 100 percent squeaky clean at all times.
>>282371453censorship automatically ruins everything it touches, this is simply an objective factwhich is funny because by turning the main quartet into flatties the porn of them actually looks like cunny instead of JKs
>>282371453>She should get the boot. Bis she officialy working on s2? like do we have an actual list of the staff?
Is Chinese Anime ready to replace Japanese Anime yet?
>>282371470>The anime basically bends over backwards to ensure that it's 100 percent squeaky clean at all times.I have seen the anime, but I don't really get that feeling. All I remember is posting with the bros how we'd have sex with Kikuri.
>>282369735There's no such thing as anime or manga for men
>>282371489So explain why BtR wasn't ruined before the Yoshida revelations, but was after, even though the anime and the source material did not change due to this event?
>>282371503Chinks are too busy committing the biggest censorship butcherings in the history of media like with wuchang and collapsing a piss easy industry to get rich quick in like gacha to really grow their own soft power.
>>282371503when will you learn chinks and gooks are a problem just as bad if not worse than westoids?
OK this like the one time anti-censorship was right about weird agendas but you're still annoying and Bocchi ended up as a great show regardless.
>>282371516Oh yeah, why do you guys want censorship then? Surely women don't mind seeing naked women right? Your fallacy doesn't work.
>>282371596Right in what? He didn't invent feminism. Maybe it's even worse for him, because Bocchi is so popular (even on /a/) despite an extreme feminist messing with it.
>>282371503Japan will probably outsource production to the Philippines or Indonesia since those countries don't enforce censorship laws.
>>282371674Holy shit that must be the dumbest post of the day.
>>282371453>The real problem is the attitude of Yoshida.At last, someone is honest.
>>282371707What? Anons of all sides have screeched at Yoshida. It's like the one thing everyone agrees on. Which demonstrates how many retards, disingenious grifters, and schizos are around.
>>282371734Then the problem isn't censorship but that a radfem made fun of you kiddos. Grow some balls.
>>282371580>No romance>No rebellionSo... sports?
>>282371768And just what the fuck do you think Yoshida did to the anime which gave more power to her words than just "someone on the internet said something mean", dumbass? Are you always a snarky dishonest moron or just playing one for this thread for (You)s?
>>282371655That's the thing though. Fanservice is nice but most of us value other things more. Not having a bath scene doesn't make a show terrible.
>>282371856That is true, but I do miss the casual fanservice that used to be more common and think most anime should have it. Of course, not all anime did have fanservice, or needed or needs it.
>>282371836Stop seething fag. Nobody cared about no boobs until she said some shit that hurt your feelings. LMAO
>>282371922And you can't help but defend it, face it, the anime is forever tainted because of that retarded bitch who couldn't help but gloat like all wokes do.
>>282371971> the anime is forever tainted because of that retarded bitchImagine giving her so much credit just because you want total race war.
>>282371922>Nobody caredAlready proven wrong earlier, you meant to say SOME people cared but not everyone ;)
>>282372025>it wasn't actually everyoneOops, you just admitted that you're wrong too.
Never seen so much bullshit in one thread alone, censorship can't be justified no matter what and gloating about censoring the work of another person is quite repulsive.
>>282371971>the anime is forever taintedImagine being this delusional. kek>>282372073>namefagOpinion discarded.
>>282372073>4th placehttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/246734333/#246753070That was easy.
No, no. Don't make changes to my work to make it appeal to a mass audience around the world and bring me millions of dollars--keep it pure and unchanged so /a/ who doesn't buy anything will love it
>>282372059I don't recall ever saying "everyone cared", can you do my research for me and point out when I said that?
>>282372094It's a trip not a name newfag.>>282372105What does that mean in your head exactly? It was my 4th favorite anime of that year yes.
>>282372119Have fun with S2's sales and word of mouth when even overseas normalfags are starting to wake up lol.
>>282372132You love censored trash, but pretend to be on the anti censorship side.Industry shill exposed.
>>282372141After Jeremy burned, anons should learn to shut the fuck up.
>>282372149No, I don't condone any type of censorship but I'm not obsessed with it, Bocchi is a good anime even tho some of the decisions were not good like censoring some scenes, you should visit a psychiatrist anon.
>>282371453She's based for calling out romance anime as propaganda.
>>282372105>you can't like an anime while not liking that it had parts that were maliciously censored by an ideologically motivated infiltratorI'm thinking your retarded or ideologically motivated perhaps
>>282372196I just mirrored the general conduct here. Which is why I think your first post was dishonest.
>>282372141I wouldn't say that, it's almost certainly going to sell well anyway. Perhaps a little less than S1 as sequels tend to, but not significantly. When something hits the big leagues basically nothing beyond years of fuck ups can stop it.
Censorship because of tv airing regulations is one thing, which i believe is where most anime fall is one thing. Censorship because i don't agree with the depictions of the original work is a whole other thing that should not be allowed. Reminds of the localization apologists thinking their flavor of the month lingo is appropriate and won't age like milk. You shouldn't have any say in changing something that isn't yours because of how you feel about something, period. We all know Hamazi would have to bow her head down regardless if she agreed with the change or not, that's just the way the Japanese are.
>>282372288Main issue would be the gap between season 1 and 2 I think.
>>282372326>that's just the way the Japanese are.japan just had the biggest anti-brownoid marches in history anonyou would have to broaden the goalpost to cover all types of protests to the literal multimillion headcount protest in the UK against the online surveillance act takes the crown
>>282367266>anime was well animated and had amazing sound crew>also saw Bocchi's bocchis were removed>many pointed this out>assumed that it was just a case broadcast laws>years later find out it was censored for ideological reasons by the screenwriter>people are mad now that they know why the bocchis were removed and it isn't a fair or valid reasonIf you genuinely can't work out why people are mad then you're just admitting that you're mentally retarded.
>>282367362>Literally nobody cared about this "censorship" until nowfalse, many called out Bocchi's tits being censored>until now, three years after the anime airedBecause we have new information. That's how information works, views and opinions change based on information. When you have more information you know more and your views on a situation change.>It's censored>unfortunate but it's probably some broadcast law or something>*three years later*>Screenwriter: I censored it for ideological reasons>FUCK THAT BITCH FOR CENSORING BOCCHIDo you understand how information works now?
>>282373111Broadcast codes don't require removal of clothed boobs, moron.
>>282367860>I only said that it wasn't a big deal back thenBECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INFORMATION YOUR DROOLING RETARD. How many times do you need to be told this before your perforated brain understands it?>See anime is censored but assume it's the usual broadcast law shit, sucks but it can't be helped>Later on find out it was for some crazy bitch's ideology NOT for broadcast lawsI wonder why it's different now? It's almost like the REASON it happened is different from what was assumed and a totally fair but unfortunate circumstance WASN'T the case.IN OTHER WORDS back then it wasn't a big deal because people made a natural assumption and now three years later found out they were wrong, it wasn't a fair reason, it was ideological faggotry. NO SHIT THEY'RE PISSED.
>>282368004>and thus not family friendlyWhat young children under the age of 6 are staying up at 1am to watch late night anime?Please explain this to us, oh wise retard?
>>282373389>the usual broadcast law shit,No retard ever believed that broadcast laws would require removal of clothed boobs.YOU UTTER FUCKING MORON>IN OTHER WORDS back then it wasn't a big deal because people made a natural assumptionYou can say that, but my post you quoted is still 100% correct, you fucking low IQ dog brain.
>>282373430>brain damaged drooling retard non-sequitur
>>282373228>Taking it literallyBrainlet, the point is the assumption was it was the normal reason shit gotcensored. NOT ideological.
>>282373483>I WANTED IT TO BE FAMILY FRIENDLY>airing slot is midnight when all the sexy and violent late night anime are airing>non-sequitur to point out that no child under the age of 6 would be watching it thus family friendly is a bullshit excuseAnd you retards wonder why no one believes you
>>282373459>but my post you quoted is still 100% correctNo, it isn't. You said >it doesn't why it's important nowIt does, plain and simple. Just stop trying to defend a censorious bitch because the way your going about it makes you come across like you think she'll give you a blowjob for being such a good little slave.
>>282374147>>282374194>>282374231Grow a brain, you absolute loser.
>>282374245>Can't argue against anything>just insults>has been lying through his teeth and defending censorship the entire timeTo be expected of a soulless industry shill.
>>282374231>Just stop trying to defend a censorious bitch Where am I defending her? I did nothing like that. You are mentally ill. You just blindly lash out against anything that triggers your tiny, assblasted schizo brain.
>>282374280>soulless industry shill.You can't argue against anything.Just insults.You have to lie about what other anons said to fuel your schizobrained acting.
>wwwaaah industry shills>wwwaaah industry shills>wwwaaah industry shills>wwwaaah industry shills raped meNo arguments whatsoever.Hysteric woman.
