Yeah, I like to indulge in escapism too, and it's okay to be selfish sometimes, but frequently you'll have a character that, sure, is a loser hikki neet mutant freak sex pervert, but he still likely has parents that will mourn his loss, and not once does this ever even come up, or does the protagonist feel sad about how his parents have just had the worst thing ever happen to them when he was teleported to fantasy land by truck kun, and the overriding goal is never to see their parents and family again. Sure they have no friends, but abandoning your family without even thinking about it again is really fucked up. What about mommy and dadda and their crying sad faces? You get to go live it up in this other world and abandon all prior attachments like a sociopath who deserves to be removed from existence.
>>282370817Isekai is an underrated genre and people of jealous of its success.
>making up fake people to feel sorry for More proof that hating isekai is just a function of super hyper extreme autism
>>282370817I love the circle towns so much bros. how can they be evil?
>>282371233But most people have parents. Mushoku Tensei often called evil coz pedo at least solves this by having Rudy's parents already die in the original world and showing that he's initially a piece of shit who doesn't care about them.
>>282370817> be native> suddenly this dude comes from another world> immediately treats everything like a game> immense unmatched power> not a weapon in the world that can kill him> governments are in panic mode> 10000 religious cults started and churches are trashed> economy tanks immediately after demon king is killed in 0.2 seconds by a laser beam> all women immediately sex him> wife leaves you> die> get reincarnated to earth
>>282371466There should be a literal "native isekai" where a native incel starts a beta uprising against the second life chads who take all the women.
>>282371518that would actually be peak, I wanna know if this has already been done or not
>>282371518I think someone on /a/ was working on that already. Its gonna be OEL tho
>>282371343River dodged this one that's how you know it's an evil town
>>282371599>>282371518Yeah I remember earlier someone was making itPicrel
>>282370817You are thinking too much. Isekai is not for thinking too much. The authors themselves choose it so they don't need to think too much. Just consume and wait for more isekai to come out so you can consume more.
>>282370817>not once does this ever even come upIt does but you have to pay attention, consult the primary material or just stop hallucinating tropes and think. ie. another situation where people advocate for "Show don't tell" and then freak out when something is not in your face.
>>282372010Is this the cumrag? I guess there was an isekai arc.
>>282370817Isekai in the nineties featured female protagonists who actually wanted to return home.
>>282370817Which anitube grifter made another "isekai is le bad" video for easy money that there's this kind of spam again?
>>282372650I have bad news: I came up with the idea of this thread all on my own.
>>282370817To a certain extent, isekai was made as a pushback to the "moralfag talk no jutsu justice is important everyone is friends hot blooded and naive" protagonist. Rather than evil, they're usually just pragmatic, greedy, and maybe mentally ill.Despite the common perception of being made to self insert to, many were written as comedic bullshitters made to be laughed and cringed at.Isekai is also, as a genre, incredibly slow. There are plenty times where its not that the main character doesn't care about the family they left behind but rather they just dont want to think of it and so they bury it deep down, deep enough that its not going to show up jn season 1 of an anime.
>>282371718I hope it becomes kino, is that just concept art?
>>282372650Mother's basement made a video whining about AIslop videos wrongly summing up anime through glorified abridged parodies and getting gorillions of views his "hard work" isn't getting.Also the whole theanimemen debacle that outed most normalfags as unfixable tourists.The irony being the ecelebs whining about this are tourists themselves also speedwatching shit, refusing to read the source material, and misinterpreting stories so hard they were the cause of the "proto-isekai" that doesn't actually exist getting memed into a collective hallucination.
>>282371970This is why some act braindamaged and cant understand simple plot when its in an isekai.Once had a conversation where the guy couldn't fathom the idea of foreshadowing if it was in an isekai, his brain just went empty and he kept repeating "asspull, asspull"
>>282371970the thing is a lot of non-parody/satire isekai actually have a decent amount of depththe actual problem is westoids see "isekai" and start acting like they have rabies activated by some MK ultra programming and instantly drop 50 IQ points
>>282370817I've seen your kind whining and crying when they had to admit that a series that they like is an isekai and keep repeating like a broken tape "Why is this an isekai? Why must it be an isekai?"
>>282373352>>282373412The goyim must please their kike overlords to try fit in, please understand.They also have to rely on only hating "isekai" and "moeshit" while trying to expand what those terms cover as much as possible just like how "JRPG" grew to cover literally all japanese games because simply being directly racist and antijapan would be too blatant.>>282373573We are on the era where they expanded the blanket term so much it stated to cover shit they like as well.The exact same song and dance happened when people refused to realize by their own definitions dark souls and the rest of the FROMslop were in fact JRPGs.
>>282373573Not surprising desu. What isekai was it?
>>282373118>NOOOOO! You need to blow the entire load of the "isekai aspect" in the first 5% of the story! You just can't make it any later than that because... you just... CAN'T, OK?
>>282373573>>282373660if not the usual normalfag combo meal of MT, overlord, tanya, rezero, meikyuu slave, im gonna bet on water magicianlets see if i get my chips back
>>282373678What's funny is when that shit does get infodumped at the start like nonbiri nouka, smartphone or peace summons the goalpost just gets moved to "it's slop anyway akshually".
>all isekai are bad but I can't recall the name of even a single one because... ugh... they all, uhm... blend together in my mind because they are the same or something! >all isekai are the same but I can't name a single pair of "identical" isekai>all isekai have the exact same tropes like [list of gookchink tropes, including systemshit and regressors], why are the hecking japs and nips so bad at writing?>all isekai have the same story but I don't recall what that same story is... b-but they are all the same story, I-I swear! >multiverse-scale isekai aspect isn't deeply interwoven in the main plot of the first half of the first volume of the 25-50 LN volumes story? JUST remove the isekai aspect because it doesn't matter! >plot points stretching beyond the current season of the anime adaptation is bad writing >all isekai are about being summoned by a kingdom to save them from the demon lord, gathering a harem party, killing the demon lord and returning home >The first "modern" isekai is SAO/a ZnT-fanfic/a Disgaea-fanfic! Someone on the internet told me, so it must be true!
>>282373849I see you snuck in your JP vs KR/CN agenda into your edit of my castles pasta reboot...
>>282374026i mean, is that bullet point wrong when nigger's basement had an isekai hate video complaining about "status screens guiding the MC into the plot" and how lazy jp writing is for not even wanting their MCs to be actively involved in the plot willingly?
>>282374026Do you count the kike plan to replace whites and asians with shitskins to be an "asian/white vs brownoid" problem? Legitimate question.
>>282374026this isn't console wars anon, stop pretending it isthat assumes both are on equal standing, and this is not the case otherwise the gooks and chinks would have their own dedicated generals and even boardsinstead they can only live as literal parasites on dedicated JP spacessomeone getting into your house to steal your shit isn't a "you vs intruder" agenda, it's a "you trying to get the intruder out of your fucking house and leave your shit alone" situationand if you disagree you are free to tell the nigger chons to fuck off to their own threads to be on an equal standing
>>282373712feels like the astroturfed isekai hate is reaching a breaking point in general, especially when a lot of the point they are using come from shounenslop (power of frienship, sudden ayys), battle harems and romcoms (the little sister character, tsundere bitches, sexless MCs with no relationship progress)it is a problem for their cognitive dissonance when they constantly whine about those "tropes" when it comes to isekai and shilling shit despite said shit having all three (like the goyslop triad of esclaflowne, etc) because their complains are becoming so specific they can't actually name a single isekai where it applies anymoreat least back then they could pretend "all isekai is literally just dragon quest" by pretending anything with a status screen was dragon quest, but nowadays the astroturfed plot points are so specific there's no exampleshell even older talking points like that dq one are dying because some popular ones without status screens like kagejitsu basically shat on that argument without even trying
>>282370817Isekai is not evil by itself. Isekai or what we call isekai is just cookie cutter version of maybe one of the oldest genres, that are still relevant to modern day. >Alice's in Wonderland 1865>Wizard of Oz 1900>Peter Pan 1904>The Chronicles of Narnia 1950What is the difference between this 3 and modern isekai? Pro tip it is not game world rpg mechanics. This is irrelevant. The difference is the ending. All off this 3 goes like this>someone goes to a different world>have epic adventure>have character arc>grow as a person>come backThey are also escapism but the main point is the characters don't live in heroic times and are not be able to have the classic heroic journey or they are girls and in the time the story is set up girls are not supposed to have heroic journey but in the end after their arc is completed they come back. They perceive e problem - the times are not heroic so you can your heroic arc but if you do you can still come back with the lesson learned and be better. Why does modern isekai skip all this. Because for 150-100 years the techno dystopia progressed so much a heroic journey will make little to no difference to your life. You can slay dragons but if you come back you will still flip burgers or deliver amazon/uber packages. You can take your character arc, you can take your lesson learned and shove them in your ass because they are useless. Dorothy may learn to be more assertive, stand up and think for herself and this be a game changer for her a 100 years ago but how does this lesson stand now? Everyone is already in a "slay queen" mode anyway. A modern day Alice guided by her curiosity will just end up gang raped in India or start onlyfans account. The children from Narnia will just be requited into some borderline terrorist organization.cont.
>>282374099That retard, after all this time, still bases that view on SAO though, not KR/CN things.>>282374115If you buy into collectivist tribalism, you'll just get exploited by someone. >>282374172The "provocateurs" don't even recommend any of the worthwhile KR/CN, so they either have no idea and are just trolling for your and others' reaction, or they use a low-hanging fruit, easy to refute points to damage the KR/CN brand.
>>282374423What if you get a skill in your adventures? Using a sword maybe become an Olympic fencer - nope your sword and the "swords" used have nothing in common. Nor will the real life moves be allowed. Same with a bow - little to no real life translation, unless you convince some millionaires to tech them taditional bow hunt and go on hunts with them using traditional bows.There is little to nothing you can gain from you journey, no moral lesson because the morals are not the same, or skill because the skill will translate to nothing or almost nothing. You will live you same life and just feel shitty because not only the high point of your life is long gone and you can't even talk with someone and reminisce about it.without looking like some loser who got high 10 years ago and still will not shut up about his amazing trip. This is why modern isekai skip the return journey and sometimes even skip the grow as person part because this is only applicable your world and the isekai world have some common points and they don't. If you don't come back there is 0 reason to be burdened by your unremarkable or shitty past life. The usual isekai protagonist don't feel sad about his parents but so doesn't the 1000 idiots who will OD on fent this weekend. Or someone who decide to take a stupid tiktok video from a crane and dies in the process. Besides if you give the average parent a choose to replace you with a doppelganger who is way better version of you and not remember the next day so they will not suffer from guilty conscience they will. Or at least a vast majority will, even the religions ones who know it is a sin if you can package the whole deal with good sounding words.
>>282374450>That retard, after all this time, still bases that view on SAO though, not KR/CN things.If he based his stuff on SAO he wouldn't be complaining about systemshit.Or isekai for that matter, given the SAO arc he launched his career with (by shitting on it) was not isekai.
>>282374450>The "provocateurs" don't even recommend any of the worthwhile KR/CN, so they either have no idea and are just trolling for your and others' reaction, or they use a low-hanging fruit, easy to refute points to damage the KR/CN brand.are we finally back to the "they are just falseflagging bro" part of the cope despite the gooks always posting that one rogue janny post when told to fuck off?
>>282374423Fun fact, both in alice and oz the girl goes back to grab her family and fucks off back to isekai to escape WW2.In narnia the kids also stay in narnia because they fucking die in a train crash and literally can't leave narnia anymore.You don't even read the goyslop you are trying to use as an excuse to push your copypasta.
>>282374316The breaking point is probably the animemen fiasco.Imagine being a normalfag NPC in this situation.>Constantly parrot the usual "anime is trash and so am I" self hating talking point for a literal decade.>Suddenly yet another generic video like that comes out.>Instead of circlejerking it somehow everyone hates it.>People are calling them clueless tourists for using the same arguments you have used for as long as you have been into anime.>All your friends are calling for a culling and proper gatekeeping of anime communities to get rid of people doing shit that has been routine for you for a literal decade.
>>282374423That cycle is a loser mentality with zero ambition. It pretends that no one ever exmigrates to another nation or even just another city for real. Returning home is portrayed as such a necessity, such a "given" that the idea of severing one's connection with the past and embrace a new, risky, but also ambitious future is entirely out of question. It's extremely arrogant and presumes that everyone is attached to the concept of "home" in the exact same way as you are. Of course I am exaggerating here, but I am just matching it to the level of what you are bringing up, showing the other side of the coin.
>>282373660>>282373693
>>282371389They did not care very much about him either. They were too busy with themselves, work and their other kids. They knew full well he had huge emotional trauma and just let him rot. Even some harsh love like sending him on some rehabilitation camp will be better than what they did. In his second life Roxy, a stranger showed him more care and helped him overcome his fears.
>>282374641It is also trying to apply the monomyth, aka the western hero's journey to literally everything whenever it fits or not.To close the cycle the MC in the monomyth does have to return home a changed man.The problem people don't realize is not only a lot of stories don't follow the monomyth, also following such means the MC ends up a broken man that no longer feels at home due to changing too much, mirroring PTSD problems that come from war.
>>282374666>the cope is actually realLMAO also checked
>>282374666damn, i really thought it would be water magician and not reddit samurai, lost my hypothetical chips>everything is different from the narou bullshit that popularized the genreweird, these niggers constantly cry about japanese culture/katana "wank, the MC being stronger for no reason, constant fights just to show how strong the MC is, and timilar stuff
>>282374666I have heard this exact same song and dance before.
>>282374666>"everything is different from narou bullshit">said by someone who never actually bothered to try to know what narou bullshit was to begin with
>>282374666
>>282374929At this point the term has been diluted so much that I don't think they can give you a bullet list of "narou bullshit" without also nuking 90% of the things they like from orbit with said list.It got so bad that stories not being torture porn technically count as "narou bullshit" now.
>>282372295escaflowne is poorly written slop that does an awful job of justifying why she'd want to go home and doesn't understand what a love story is meant to be lol no kiss
>>282374571Fun fact children books are probably the earliest examples of milking a cow to death. You can read all Nania book just to see how to author can milk this shit to death or read just the first one that is actually good, just like you can read all 30+ Dune book that go from mediocre to bad fanatic or read just the 4 real ones that have good consistent and satisfying story.
>unearned cheat skill>loser with no life experience outside of dead end job or school>game mechanics>natives are drooling morons or cartoon evil>"i read this (nonexistent) story before"it's really not that hard to avoid isekai slop
>>282374840>ask for a jrpg after having a grand time with dragon quest>get recommended elden ring, an action game with nothing in common with dragon quest because both are made in japan./v/tards as usual acting like retards.
>>282371518funded alreadyartwork and production values were great, story and setting were strong. I dropped it literally because it wasn't slop enough, I have pretty bad taste depending on irl
>>282375187>>unearned cheat skill>>loser with no life experience outside of dead end job or school>>game mechanics>>natives are drooling morons or cartoon evil>>"i read this (nonexistent) story before"
>>282375319this drops the "isekaijin le bad" gimmick only to turn into a generic dyke love triangle by the second half of volume 1>>282371518picrel
>>282375029You must be pregnant because you forgot your period.
>>282375187Nobody is avoiding them though.
>>282375613seething cucky
>>282370817Yes it is an evil genre. Next question.
>>282374666Wew there's a lot of things that I want to drill into this anon's skull.
>>282374666It makes me laugh when anons think an isekai with good art and a female lead is enough for it to be not considered an isekai. At least cope by calling it "one of the good ones" or some shit
Isekai is kino. It is simply shit writing that has failed the genre
>>282371718Is that the one where they find the dead body in the first chapter? There was an anon posting a while ago. Pretty good cold open if you ask me.
>>282370817Truly, how can anyone who died and went to heaven feel joy knowing that they're mourned on earth?
>>282371466> riots > everything you though you knew about the world shattered immediately> guy decided he should be in charge > no one can kill him> summon another one to kill the first one
>>282374423>>282374469It's okay, you'll get out of your emo phase soon enough.
>>282375613memeflowne is slop for femoids tho, why the projecting?
>>282374666>>282374840This is the kind of shit that happens when you base your understanding of a genre on memes/stereotypes or consume only extremely specific kinds of works. In actuality, pretty much all genres are very diverse, both in content and in quality.
>>282370817>>282374423>>282373849>>282373693>>282373301>>282371718>>282371466>>282376025Imagine being a literal god. Why would I ever want to return to my old life? I can do whatever I want and no one can stop me.
>>282376196yes and no, the real problem is people using a specific buzzword for "bad" to come off as connoisseur intellectualsin vidya its "jrpg", in anime its "isekai" or "narou"
>>282376196This. Isekai is a massive genre, so inherently there are going to be kino and dogshit isekai. Probably more of the latter thoughNot to mention typically the lowest effort slop is always front and center, so thats the first thing you see.
>>282376217Questioning the sheckelberg system is antisemitic and terrorist goy.
>>282371718Why is Kera such a bitch in the first chapter though?
>>282371718
>>282376356She hasnt been in the system that long I think
>>282374675And then he took advantage of her like a psychopath and had sex when she was an innocent underaged girl, way to go!
>>282376377LMAO
>>282374666Its a manga original, so it naturally has a better story with more soul than narou trash that any loser can write
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>>282376442>Roxy>a kidShe's in her thirties when they first meet.
>>282370817Isekai since its dawn has its roots in Plato. That's why the protagonist finds a circle city. The city circle is the ideal city based on the shape of Atlantis from Critias. The truth is out there.
The isekai meta is pretty funny ngl
unironically wonder how much of the forced hate for isekai is more religiously motivated than racially motivated out of antijapan hatredit implies hell isnt real so normalfags cant cope about all the money, time and effort they have wasted to larp as a good person being completely worthless
>>282370817I just had a fucking mental break in the Water Magician thread over exactly what is wrong with this retarded genre and I'm going to spread it here because I'm still pissed off after this last filler of an episode: >>282376675It helped me figure out exactly what pisses me off about Isekai as a genre: It exists purely as a vehicle to have things happen to them as a passive entity with no reason for a story, for characters, for motivations, for things that would make an interesting premise or plot. You don't need a plot when you have Isekai, because in Isekai things just *happen*. Our intrepid hero is walking through a village, of course it's going to be attacked by goblins/bandits/monsters. Why wouldn't it be? He's there, and the world revolves around him. None of these events are unique to Isekai. They're just things happening. There's no reason why they're happening or any explanation why these things are tied together. They don't have to be. Isekai as a genre exists to make cool-looking trailers with all the budget out of the first three episodes, and then fill the last 8-16 episodes with absolute bottom of the barrel filler. See this shit? This absolutely hooked me to Water Magician, holy shit this kid is the protege of a Dullahan and he marries a fucking Elf? Sign me the fuck up. Except this isn't what the show is about. That Dullahan is never seen after episode 1, the Elf has been permanently put in the background interacting a total of one minute with the protagonist, as is the protagonist, not appearing much at all the last two episodes, and the best parts of the show were shown once so they could be in trailers, and never again. Actual bait and switch. The isekai genre is the genre is baiting and switching with poorly understood Tolkein tropes stolen blatantly from one another with some spices made for Trailers.
>>282376906Nobody is worshipping an Isekai god unless it's some ironic shitposting like Aqua. Worse: Isekai implies a religious aspect because God and the Afterlife HAVE to be real for it to be a thing.
Someone said in another thread that there was a recent Isekai where the male MC had all of his shirtless scenes censored, does anyone know that they’re referring to? How does a male character even get censored?
>>282376930yeah that last episode pissed me off
>>282371147this
>>282377227Guessing that's Seventh Prince. AKA The most shota of fuccbois. It's probably censored because his entire character is just a girl but called a 'boy'Which seems to be one of the only ways anything stands out in this genre: Add shotas and lolis. Seems to be working with Koujo Denka no Kateikyoushi where the whole question is which ten year old this college student is going to fuck. Which is based.
>>282377299I’m not 100% convinced that’s what they were referring to since there was nothing in the anime to censor but yeah that could be it.Honestly I hate the ambiguous gender designs, that show is so damn ugly to me.
>>282371343>city hall at the edge of townIt's like you're asking to get sieged
>>282376954There's a lot like slime or MT where there is no central ultimate multiversal creator god anon.A lot of them like arifureta even imply or outright say the kike abrahamic god is dead or missing.
>>282370817also, laughing at the hill on the right side of the riverenemy seigers can just set up there and rain down fire on the town, its probably the comically evil slum lord part of town though and the nobles dont care
>>282371518>>282371592That exists already, he's not a beta though.https://mangadex.org/title/eeafdf50-e0de-4cf0-a1cc-3263fce1f403/isegure-isekai-cheat-musou-ore-tueee-kei-ikiri-tenseisha-ni-kamaseinu-ni-sare-tsuzuketa-elite-kishi
>>282377654It's funny because the artist obviously made the conscious choice to not put walls there, but have them on the side that's on land, as if he saw a picture of a coastal city and thought "water = no wall"
>>282377299That's not even isekai bruh.
>>282376930>That Dullahan is never seen after episode 1, the Elf has been permanently put in the background interacting a total of one minute with the protagonist, as is the protagonist, not appearing much at all the last two episodes, and the best parts of the show were shown once so they could be in trailers, and never again.Almost like isekai is a SLOW genre that builds up over a longer time than one season would allow and has an emphasis on internal monologue and foreshadowing, something that an anime adaption would not adapt.
>>282371147FPBP. Isekai is one of the only branches of media that is properly responding to the rise of video games as this formative psychological structure for young men. The way it integrates menus and various UI into the medium, meets the viewer at their gooner self and doesn't judge them- its truly a genre for these times
>AHHHHHHH I HATE ISEKAI I HATE ISEKAI YOU MUST LIKE WHAT I LIKEAm I talking to an adult here
Are there any Isekai out there with middle school MCs who get shirtless battle scenes?
>>282376930It's called poor writing. As you say, none of it is unique to isekai. It's just that the isekai premise naturally draws in poor writers because it's a convenient writing shortcut and those kind of writers are going to keep using shortcuts. These sort of people were writing generic, threadbare battle harems before isekai was the big thing.
A short trip to /lit/ convinced me the entire board was full of pseuds with bad taste
>>282377988What does that have to do with anime, manga, and specifically anime isekai?
>if it doesn't get resolved in 12 episodes, it's poor writing.>in a webnovel series adaptionJust don't adapt long books atp. Or maybe have a "this is for a long term arc" warning sign so people feel more comfortable with what to expect.
>>282378008that's where all the "muh good writing" crowd in these isekai threads came from. next thing they'll do is cite a portal fantasy novel from the 50s.
>>282378049>that's where all the "muh good writing" crowd in these isekai threads came fromAccording to...?
>>282376930Legit what kind of gotcha are you even trying to pull here? Novelfags of most series already know adaptations will always be shit no matter how good they are off simply not taking less than a decade to adapt half of it even by skipping everything but big plot points.Even on an absurd pacing of 5 vols per season you would still need 6 seasons to finish adapting the average 30 vol LN.
>>282377988you dont need a trip there to know that
>>282378013anime originals are effectively dead and the industry ran out of short stories to adapt after shinsekai yori
>>282378067Just browse the archives for isekai hate threads. You'll see them spamming that one horrible King Arthur fanfic that /lit/fags claim as the "best isekai"
>>282370817Rom com and slice of life are the true evil.They basically exist to make people more passive by locking them in safe spaces and fearful of practically everything.
>>282377723>Almost like isekai is a SLOW genre that builds up over a longer time than one season would allow and has an emphasis on internal monologue and foreshadowing, something that an anime adaption would not adapt.Even if water magician were 800 episodes, it could not save this story. The LN must be going well on 3000 chapters to even remotely make sense of all of these setpieces which were randomly scattered all over the setting like a child playing with his toys on a carpet. There's slow, and then there's just disjointed. So much of this would be better off if it were either deleted or made to fit into Ryo's life. As someone else in the Water Magician thread said: >This is probably the most subversive show ever made and I'm being successfully mindfucked by it to the point where it is occupying way, way, way more brain real estate than it deserves. Just imagine that: a story where nothing fucking happens has unironic padding episodes. What a wild fucking ride.
>>282378132But I've never been to /lit/ and I criticize isekai all the time. I can't be the only one.Escaflowne is isekai and that one was cool.
>>282378099>I'm not proficient in reading>therefore I will criticize written workskek what is this nonsense
>>282378013I'm still mad that they crammed FIVE VOLUMES worth of plot into a twelve episodes package for Dendro like bro we're not going for a world record speedrunning chill a lil bit.
>>282378077>Novelfags of most series already know adaptations will always be shit no matter how good they are off simply not taking less than a decade to adapt half of it even by skipping everything but big plot points.Novelfags of most series would also recognize that this is anti-advertisement. I read light novels. I really do. I don't read Isekai light novels for the exact reasons Water Magician is dogshit. It's made to swap and move pieces and parts around to make unique encounters because the novels can't possibly have anything important happening in them if this IS a summary of events that happen in the novels.Is that unique to water magician? Maybe. But it seems universal to Anime adaptations that they adapt the LN's 1:1 one chapter at a time. Are the stories just bad? Are the novels just bad? Is it purely because this kind of adaptation could never work unless the entire story and characters and the way they are presented and the order of events are all edited to where it barely resembles the original story? >Maybe, Maybe, Maybe
>>282371466Epic
I remember that dykeshit nothingburger from a few years back that anti-isekai tards spam lmao turns out it's just generic dykeshit
>>282378186WE'RE SLOWLY ENTERING THE YEAR SIX OF TRIFLAG WAR NAMEK I WANT TO GET OFF THIS WILD RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>282378151>The LN must be going well on 3000 chapters to even remotely make sense of all of these setpieces which were randomly scattered all over the setting like a child playing with his toys on a carpet.its getting therehttps://ncode.syosetu.com/n0022gd/930/881 chs without side stories, 930 with them
>>282378013>>282378077>>if it doesn't get resolved in 12 episodes, it's poor writing.You don't have to resolve everything in 12 episodes, but if you have 12 episodes you should tell a fucking story.Is it so offensive to suggest that when you adapt 12 episodes of whatever serialization you're trying to adapt, you should pick a very specific part of it to focus a clear and concise story around instead of randomly scattering the first few chapters onto a storyboard and hope that's enough to hook viewers in? Because far too many adaptations do exactly that and none of them find some cool part of the work to focus on and make the story about that. Water Magician is a perfect example. The guy fights an evil demon who lives in Solar Eclipses and that's the only thing that has ever put up an even fight in the adaptation. She's gone in less than 5 minutes out of a 20 minute episode, never seen again. Would it have hurt to instead focus on her as an antagonist and just skip to the parts where she was relevant? It's exactly what everyone wanted out of a show that was about an Isekai water magician.
>>282377723>Almost like isekai is a SLOW genre that builds up over a longer time than one season would allow and has an emphasis on internal monologue and foreshadowing, something that an anime adaption would not adapt.lmao this is such BSIsekai is the fastest genre of them all because they resolve whatever the story hook is almost immediately then just waste time until it gets axed. What it is is aimless. Hyouka is an example of an actually GOOD slow series.
>>282378255I stand corrected.
>>282376954>unless it's some ironic shitposting like AquaI'd worship her feet.
>>282378203>>Novelfags of most series would also recognize that this is anti-advertisement.Indeed we do, how new?
>>282378296I mean, someone must be really, really into these because they keep being made.
>>282378203>But it seems universal to Anime adaptations that they adapt the LN's 1:1 one chapter at a time.industry standard is 4 vols per 12 epsthats about a third of a book per episodethe record so far is shinkou stuff that recently crammed 7 volumes on 12 eps
>>282378319>they keep being made.It's that or come up with an original idea.
>>282370817Dunbine was isekai. Rayearth was isekai. Shulato was one too. So was Twelve Kingdoms. None of the protags are those creepy losers.Isekai works.
Just read KR works we have it better than the Japs obssessed with mundane Romcomslop
>>282378287>>Isekai is the fastest genre of them all because they resolve whatever the story hook is almost immediately then just waste time until it gets axed. What it is is aimless.examples?jp only mind you, we all know gookslop and chinkslop is indeed slop
>>282370817I just want to see the version of Japan that's a ghost town with a huge chunk of the population of people around their thirties and a number of teenagers gone because of so much shit. Overworking, death, summoning, all that shit just leaves japan (or maybe just the cities, since it seems like it's a bunch of city folk) as an old fogey or kid's play palace. Or hell everything gets worse in their efforts to curb the problem and stop people from fucking dying
>>282378359It would be so cool if these show runners could just take these premises with the author, highlight a very specific part about it, and have them re-write a transcript with those specific events in mind and then make a show around that.I know that takes work and that's not what they are doing with these adaptations but isn't it better to put in work to get something good out of the adaptation which could drive people into buying the original work? Otherwise what's the point?
>>282378319the anime industry is a grift of glorified ads to scam normalfag money withsometimes you get some shounenslop with decent adaptations that helps perpetuate the grift whenever its about to fall apart but thats kinda it
>>282378465jjk already exists
>>282374423Dorothy very much is in contact with oz in later books and pete keeps dragging Wendy's female descendants to neverland
>>282374423Retard. Dorothy hated it on Earth and moved her entire family.
>>282370817It's a hard truth, but some folks don't want to go back home. Sure, you have family but you also have bills, taxes, jobs, expectations, relationships, enemies, etc. with isekai on the other hand you can just get rid of all that for good. A hard reset on life.
Next thing he'll cite was that King Arthur fanfic where the protagonist died alone. Always the same /lit/slop.
>>282376297What are you even questioning? You're still largely abiding and theiving by the new world's rules, you're just eventually on the top where everyone else is where you were on earth
>>282378578People who say the same copypasted moral argument tend to act as if they're not a miserable wagie themselves
>>282370817>>282371147This.It's the perfect male's dream.Imagine leaving this pathetic life to reset with your memories and be able to achieve greater thing in a cooler world.Too bad most of Isekai is bad, but the premise is good.
>>282378486Probably to make a quick buck taking advantage of authors who have no idea what they're doing.Funny enough there was an anime, A Sister is All You Need, that had a scene where a isekai light novel author went through it and had his work completely trashed in an adaption.
>>282371389>But most people have parents.Anime characters are not real people. You're taking some crap from the real world and using it as an excuse to be mad about a problem you invented
>>282378828Now you know why most anti-isekai on /a/ are just faggots who invent a boogeyman to get mad about. Literal toddler behavior.
>>282370817Isekai is always the best so I don't care, didn't even read.
>>282378914I've become more aware of those faggots once they started complaining about solo leveling in off topic tangents.They're afraid.Afraid because it can draw in engagement despite the fact that it's ending is horrendous.
>>282378914most people that hate isekai dont pass the breakfast test lol
>>282379011Solo gookening is not isekai bruhdder.Also gooks and their fanbase is a whole different argument.
>>282379210It is now lol
>>282370817Zero no Tsukaima actually addressed it in the LN. It's also framed as a tragic moment too I recall.
>>282379231If you mean the sequel, it's closer to marvelshit multiverses and copies than isekai proper.Especially after the son leveler FORMS A TEAM and starts meeting ebil versions of himself.Which I think got foreshadowed by the systemshit dungeon once but I can't remember.
>>282379274it also doesnt happen within the first 3 eps so if released today niggers would bitch anyway
>>282370817Yes
>>282377742>The way it integrates menus and various UI into the medium, meets the viewer at their gooner self and doesn't judge them- its truly a genre for these timesYeah? Well it's shit. The story equivalent of mobile chink gachaslop.
>>282375029Why would she want to go home?You mean besides that being her home, with her family and friends? Are you retarded?
How about westslop isekai?
>>282380922A lot of isekai like eminence don't even have status screens bruhdder.
>>282378486That’s basically Edge of Tomorrow innit. I think a lot of series could have their premise adapted into an original story if they had the courage to diverge early enough on. Something like Death Note would have made for a series of episodic movies about what people would do with godlike power.
>>282380946its goyslop not even worth using short term memory on
Isekai is trash, but there is a demand for trash and authors enjoy making it because it's easy. There's nothing wrong with enjoying trash if you aren't embarrassed to admit that it's trash.
>>282380999trvke
>>282380964But I like it!
>>282380999>>282381017Upvoted my fellow redditor!
>>282381052>says the redditor who thinks mushoku tensei is the peak of fiction
>>282381073>Instantly projecting like a pajeet.Grim.Pedosei is dogshit tho.Same with the reddit trio that includes ecaflowne.
>>282381094>>grim>thoLet me guess, transgender?
>>282381122>Projecting again.G r i m.
>>282381147Like a roach in the light. My troondar never fails.
>>282378741Escapism is more of a female trait.
>>282381167Says who? Your gender affirming care doctor?
>>282380946I like some western isekai. Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight is kino.
>Isekai trend will eventually surpass the mecha trend that started with Gundam in 1979 (at least the "real robot" mecha sub-genre), dominating the anime landscape for at least 20-25 years.SAO is already 16 years old.
>>282375953At least they lived a fulfilling life hence why they're in heaven. If they were in hell (all suicide victims and people who accomplished very little before their death are here) they'd be regretting every decision that led to their eternal punishment.
>>282381465fun fact, hell is not even in the bible, it comes from a literal fanfic called dante's infernoyou literally got grifted by kikes into being a loyal wagie and attack dog
>>282381505Matthew 13:42-43>The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 13:49-50>So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Revelation 19:20>And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.Hell is biblical sorry to sayl
>>282370817I don't mind Isekai. What I can't stand is when it's clearly used as a mere tag.
>>282381590This isn't even hell bruh, it's just a genocide.Where's the mention about eternal punishment in the afterlife?
>>282380946>westslopmate, isekai came from the west and from various works
>>282381590>he's unironically a good goyim licking the cock of his desert death cult overlordsgrim
>/a/ is so contrarian that now it pretends to like isekai because everyone else hates itLmao.
>>282382054>nowhello tourist
Re:Zero is the only good isekai because it shits on everything fags claim is good about it
>>282382106Yes, now. /a/ shat on isekaislop and SAO for years.
>>282371466Perfect summery of Overlord from a native Pov.
>>282370817Isekai is a crutch to avoid building an entire consistent, self contained world. So it is inherently bad. But video game mechanics are the true evil.
>>282382226updooted my fellow redditor
>>282376930>plot points and character development stretching beyond the current season of the anime adaptation is bad writing
>>282378828>Anime characters are not real people. This argument is asinine though. Doesn't matter if its anime, games, literature or film, well made fictional characters are somehow relatable or tell you something about the human condition. That's why something like Mushoku Tensei is miles ahead of any other isekai, it actually has a human protagonist.
>>282382302>That's why something like Mushoku Tensei is miles ahead of any other isekai, it actually has a human protagonist.Translation from westoidese to normal english:>I can relate to the fatso loser in MT and self-insert with little issues, this is why I got gayopped by video essayists into thinking MT is the only good isekai.
>casually is the best isekai in your way
>>282382336Relating to a character doesn't mean you have to "literally be" that character, I know that's something zoomers probably won't grasp though. There can be aspects of the character which are relatable, while others are totally repugnant to you. That's the point, that's what's supposed to get you thinking or feeling about any piece of art.
>>282382364>not denying to self-insertingkek
>>282382364b-but how can I self-insert then, anonnette?
>>282382054>he doubts that stem dropouts who read game walkthroughs sincerely post here
>>282370817funny that this thread came up cause i'm at the end of binge reading tensura. i just passed the coliseum/dungeon. i'm enjoying reading it in a sense that it's kinda funny at times and a sort of a mindless enjoyment, like fury road or something.but that doesn't change the fact that it's an absolute trash genre and a trash manga with trash premise and plot. sure, some things are kinda well written and the gags are pretty funny, but the overall structure is abslute trash. for example, there's ZERO fear of rimuru ever being in trouble, cause there's always a deus ex machina to bail him out, like the second fight with hinata for example, "okay i'll sacrifice this skill to survive", "actually i had a second copy of it! so i didn't sacrifice anything", or shit like "oh it's gonna be tough beating this guy - good thing a cool skill just unlocked!"and this is an isekai that's very well received - imagine the worse/less known ones. the genre is just trash, simple as.
>>282382377>he thinks self-inserting and relatability is the same thingSee, this is my point about zoomers. You deserve the medium you get, one which is only fit for absolute slop eating retards.
>>282382054>>282382106>>282382125No one disliked isekai when it had just appeared. On the contrary, people were fascinated by it because it was shitting on shounenshit (MUH power of friendship, "level-scaling" antagonists for permanent underdog MCs, MUH you can't kill or you'll be just like him!) and 2000s LN tropes (slapstick tsunshit, eternal blueballing, no sex ever because think of the ultra-purityfags who consider the MC their rival for their waifu!) but then some eceleb ""anitubers"" circa 2016 said they are "bad and generic" and suddenly /a/ went along with that just like plebbit without being to explain why.
>>282382499>bad and genericBecause they became that by recycling the same shit over and over again. Same happened to myriad of magical academy and harem productions even earlier. Mecha as well if you go further back.
>>282382426That post only shows your inability to read between the lines or analyzing characters as well as your media illiteracy in general what with seeking the theme of "losing something" or "potential to lose to an enemy" as the only valid candidates for themes for some reason.95+% of anti-isekai posters vehemently refuse to post what they themselves like, by the way. Just an observation to note. It's almost like people shit on isekai to try to make it look like "lesser fiction" in order to elevate and justify other stuff (i.e. what they like but don't want to talk about) as "high-brow recreation" in their minds.
>>282382499>but then some eceleb ""anitubers"" circa 2016 said they are "bad and generic" and suddenly /a/ went along with that just like plebbit without being to explain why.reminder literally all, LITERALLY all current anitubers that started around that time literally launched their careers off shitting on sao
Isekai is like other genres: most of it is trash, but there's always a few really good ones.
>>282382590>all isekai are bad but I can't recall the name of even a single one because... ugh... they all, uhm... blend together in my mind because they are the same or something! >all isekai are the same but I can't name a single pair of "identical" isekai>all isekai have the exact same tropes like [list of gookchink tropes, including systemshit and regressors], why are the hecking japs and nips so bad at writing?>all isekai have the same story but I don't recall what that same story is... b-but they are all the same story, I-I swear! >multiverse-scale isekai aspect isn't deeply interwoven in the main plot of the first half of the first volume of the 25-50 LN volumes story? JUST remove the isekai aspect because it doesn't matter! >plot points stretching beyond the current season of the anime adaptation is bad writing >all isekai are about being summoned by a kingdom to save them from the demon lord, gathering a harem party, killing the demon lord and returning home >The first "modern" isekai is SAO/a ZnT-fanfic/a Disgaea-fanfic! Someone on the internet told me, so it must be true!
>>282382631>mfw can't stand Isekai, but also like IsekaiIt's a damn conflicted existence.
>>282382672Pic unrelated.
>>282382631>media illiteracyhere's a free (You), now don't spend it all in one place okay
>>282370817it's just a vehicle for telling a story, that said leadale had a moment where the mc was depressed over never being able to see her family again but if they didn't get over it the story never would have gone anywhere
Official good isekai:>I'm A Spider>Mushoku Tensei>Konosuba>Ascendance of a Bookworm>Cautious Hero>Ishura>Overlord>The Wrong Way to Use Healing MagicEverything not on this list is trash.
>>282377742Underrated and based opinion, I don't like isekai but I want to listen. I have only watched Mushoku Tensei, which ones should I check besides this to see what you are talking about more clearly?
The best isekai is bad isekai
>>282382778It's all the same trash. Just watch whatever's airing so you can circlejerk with anons about your parasocial relationships with anime girls; another foundational aspect of zoomer psychology.
>>282382590They don't. They merely start off similarly. But if you only look at the beginning because you cannot commit to go through with any of them that reaction is as expected. It's like someone experiences chess by only seeing the first 5 or so moves every time and then just stops. For such a person chess would seem like it's entirely made up of the same "generic" opening movesets.
>>282382673>JUST remove the isekai aspect because it doesn't matter!More often than not, yes.
>>282382872>don't worry, it gets good 20+ hours inthis is what you sound like. I know we're all shitposting on /a/ but people don't actually have unlimited time to waste on largely identical shit.
>>282382880It wouldn't work most of the time. You'd create plotholes by removing the isekai aspect. The fix for that plothole would create 2-3 new plotholes and this "fix the fix" situation would go on until you end up with a ship of theseus result where the new plot has barely anything to do with the original anymore.On the contrary, it'd be much easier to convert fantasy to sci-fi or vice-versa.
>>282382895>IMPLYING that quality and similarity are the same
I cast death that bypasses immunities lmao
>>282383095it's amusing to me the level of mental gymanstics and spinning of the yarn some people will go to instead of just admitting they like the power fantasy aspect no matter what else suffer for it. it's alright to like drivel, guys.
>>282382936Nah, If you remove the isekai aspect, most of the time nothing chance. Isekai is just a gimmick to have a Japanese otaku neet protagonist in a fantasy world and satisfy his desire for social revenge with Op powers and zero responsibilities or duties. You can also do this with a weak native slave who finds a magical artifact that gives him Op power. Many classic stories start like this . Yet, the trick of isekai is that it gives the illusion that anyone in the hero's place could do well because his successes are often due to cheat skills, so the story simply becomes a slice of life of pure self-satisfaction.Alternatives exist, but things often revolve around this formula.
>>282383155>otaku neet protagonistYou have revealed yourself to be wrong the moment you said that. Even high-school MCs are more common, not to mention adult working people who are by far the most common isekai MCs.
>>282383185>triggeredIt was just a joke. Many summoned students are often failed sociopaths in their previous lives. Are you of these fool that still scream about this one?>>282375319
>>282370817>Yeah, I like to indulge in escapism tooHow is this even viable as criticism? Anything that doesn't resemble your life in your community is escapism.
>>282370817I just want more Ishura.
>>282383266>i-it was just a joke! Sure, buddy. And I've read the executioner LN. Dropped at like 2nd or 3rd volume because it's dull as fuck. Interesting idea, but like all so-called "isekai subversion/deconstruction" shit that tries to pretend it's "above all those other isekai" the author couldn't make anything decent out of it. The romance was the worst. /u/ authors seem to never be able to make the romance compelling. Would have been better to make it nomance instead.
>>282383266>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>282370817Isekai is heaven with no reward. Real heaven isn't perfect, it's flawed but suited to our tastes so we can still have fun. The problem is that we should have multiple trials before we are allowed to experience such joy as hot anime cat girl harems in a fantasy world. You shouldn't just die then be rewarded with infinite harem sex. You need to be judged. Re:Zero is an alright interpretation of it. He's having fun but ultimately he despairs quite deeply, all the while he's judged for the decisions he makes.
>>282370817>dumbest bait imaginable>200 repliessasuga new-nu-neo-/a/.
>>282383622It's fine, i just discovered this >>282377666 thanks to this thread.
>>282370817>You get to go live it up in this other world and abandon all prior attachments like a sociopath who deserves to be removed from existence.We should build a machine that just isekais people.
>>282382767Officialy bad isekai:>I'm A Spider>Mushoku Tensei>Konosuba>Ascendance of a Bookworm>Cautious Hero>Ishura>Overlord>The Wrong Way to Use Healing MagicThis list is not comprehensive.
