Do you like Schierke?
>>282397300I like her butt
>>282397367I do too. Are we thinking of the same panel right now?
Wake up
>>282397300Not only do I like her, she's what kept me reading back then. I was getting bored, but her introductory chapter reeled me back in.
>>282397414Care to post it?
>>282397755I can't find it. It's when she falls over. I think it's during one of her introductory chapters.
did someone say bu--
>>282397880Why is it so fat? What did Miura mean by this?
>Guts will never mate press Schierke
>>282397300You think it's true that Miura planned to have Guts and Schierke eventually become a couple as Casca would get sidelined/killed off?
>>282398083
>>282398167I fantasized about Schierke slowly getting closer to Guts, and it was kinda happening (at snail pace)
>>282398167God I hope so. She deserves to get beast fucked and father his children.
>>282397300I dropped the manga shortly after she appeared and picked it up several years later. Annoying brat. I went through her introduction arc and later the story was more digestable. Still, I didn't regret dropping the manga, even if temporarily. At least it got new chapters. Back then Miura was still alive, btw.
>>282398348Why do you find her annoying?
>>282397300She was really cute and sexy.
>>282398167We can only pray. She's too good for anything less.
>>282398402It's sad how underrated she is. Even on /a/ she isn't as beloved as you'd think she would be.
>>282398383Bratty "I'm naturally powerful" type of character is the type I simply don't like. Also, her introduction's arc was written in a mediocre way, with pacing coming nowhere close to the Conviction arc.
>>282398167Yes, Miura had pics of her hanged on the wall and Guts always been Miura' self-insert. Add Casca being an irrelevant potato since forever and it doesnt take a genius to connect the dots.
>>282398487If you like her, some of the girls from Witch Hat Atelier manga match her vibe, hope you like it if you check it out. Warning through, it has yuribait.
>>282397300When she was introduced it finally started feeling like Berserk was going somewhere. Her magic provided a path to victory and she was a healing presence for Guts.
>>282398542I've been meaning to read that. Looks very cute.
Berserk was that manga I always said I would read when it finished, and well now I guess I just won't read it.
>>282398657What the fuck are you talking about, she shows up after conviction AND the choice to go to the Island. If anything she shows up when the pace and plot grind into literally over a decade of nothing.
yes
>>282397300Yeah, she's likable. I generally find young anime witches charming, at least ones that feel a bit more grounded in reality like her and Kiki. Wish her name wasn't so annoying to spell in English. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the magic systems in Berserk, at least the ones Schierke used, besides astral projection which is cool.
love Shierke
>>282398167That would've been the dream brother
>>282400602At this point, the continuation would be worth it if it ended up that way.
>>282397300I dropped it after the third or so star wars reference so I didn't get to see her at all
>>282401319Beautiful.
I still can't get over the fact that her hair is teal even after all these years. Every time I re-read the manga I assume her hair's a reddish-brown until I get to a color page and get reminded.
>>282400791Agreed but without Miura i'm not sure they would go there>>282401723>reddish-brownI like how everybody had the same idea lol
>>282401790I KNOW that there was a color image of her with auburn hair at some point, but I'm assuming that it was a fan that colored it or something. I can't find the specific image I'm thinking of anymore though, just fanart with comments all saying the same thing, "I always imagined her with this hair color instead."
>no one posted itI am disappointed
>>282401723>>282401790Her features just lend itself to being red or auburn. Teal or green was not something I would have expected.
>>282401790>Agreed but without Miura i'm not sure they would go thereMy only problem with her having the body of a loli is that it makes this more unlikely.>>282402253Same, but I grew to really like her green hair.
>>282401723My brain is acclimated to seeing her hair as teal, but I can see what you mean by reddish-brown.
>>282402204then why don't you?
>>282397300I read Sally the Witch because of Shierke. It's rather good and I miss that era of magical girls where they aren't just power rangers in dresses, not that there's anything wrong with that. Haven't been able to find the anime subbed but the OP for the second series was something.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WAtNppXHE>>282397367We all do.
>>282402933magic is stored in the butt
>>282398167>>282398512Well, no shit, considering she was the final boss, that is, the physical manifestation/incarnation of The Idea of Evil
>>282402933Is this as good as Isma's butt?
>>282402933look how huge he is compared to herthere's no way it would even fit
>>282397300She's by far the best addition to Guts' party and you can tell Miura thought so too by sheer depth of her and Guts' development affecting each other; she also heavily affects Farnese and Isidro. Prior to her arrival the only other competent companion was Serpico and she's a cut above him too. What, in my eyes at least, also helps her is the fact that she both explains lore as well as the fact that-her being a witch and what not-magic in Berserk is quite in-depth and interesting with Miura putting a lot of thought into the concept itself. Most magical application in other fantasy media ends up being a "it's magic, I don't have to explain shit" sort of progress enabler, magic in Berserk feels naturally embedded in the world itself. So much so in fact that it's even more interesting and well thought out to me than the whole Godhand and Maelstrom of time and all that stuff related to the Eclipse and God itself. In short, I can't think of a better witch than Shierke in any media.
>>282404421Morda is a better witch in the same manga.
>>282404558Why
>>282404580She's a big tiddy goth girl.
>>282404601Thank you for your valuable post.
>>282397300you know, she reminds me of Haibara for some reason
Isidro and chestnut puck were so annoying I started skipping panels with them at some point.
>>282401790>>282402367>>282400791It is absolutely unlikely, hell I don't think the continuation of the manga will go on for too long, it's gonna get axed soon. I have an impression that Miura's buddy has no idea where to go next since, let's be honest, Miura didn't leave any details about the future arcs, maybe just an outline.
>>282404329not with that attitude
>>282398167Of course. She represents Miura's turn away from fantasizing about his perfect woman to his tastes being totally remodelled by idol master. The part of Miura that made Casca died long before the man himself did.
>>282402933The most important panel in 'serk
I'm interested in seeing how her story plays out and what Guts supposedly "centering himself" in the Stupa means for their relationship. He was reliant on Schierke to keep the Berserker Armour under control but by all hints it looks like Guts is going to process his trauma and anger in the Stupa which will surely mean he's under more control by the end of things.I think processing his trauma like Rickert did will mean he can probably do more than harm a hair on Griffith, so let's see.
She's in my favourite panel. Perfect composition and character development from both.
She needs monkey cock
>>282410564The bigger the hat
>>282408980So his old ideal woman was one raped and broken by another man and then his new one was a cute little witch that can save a broken man? Thats like the opposite of the NTR cuck pipeline.
>>282410544>Berserk will end with a deus ex machina
im@s heals the soul.
>>282398291>>282410564>>282410736God, Ivalera needs my donger shlonger.
>>282397300Fairy tale parts of berserk are fucking garbageYour 4th wall fairies are fucking garbageYour shounen kids are fucking garbageYour fairy forest island is fucking garbage
>>282412278>"I'm gonna mount... YOU!"Was this line really necessary?
>>282411707How is that in any way shape or form a Deus ex machina?
>>282412495Crucial for the plot, I assure you.
>>282397300Truly one of the best.
>>282412495What else would a rape-horse say? If you get one line you make it count.
>>282412689>Guts becomes utterly defeated but suddenly gets healed by some magic treeCome on man
>>282410736They're cute together, I hope the two of them are alive by the end
>>282414400>Healed by a magic treeThe "Guts needs to deal with his trauma" thing has been an endgame thing since Lost Children ya soeedreading moron
>>282418178The robe makes it hotter.
>>282397300Schierke ruined the manga. I don't care for magic infodumps and I don't care for loli witch carrying Guts.
>>282400401>>282401319can't stand the green hair, I've always imagined it chestnut brown
Cute
>>282403726elaborate?
>>282421512Very lovely.
>>282418504When you think about, infodump about magic was more complex than basic, absolutely basic worldbuilding info regarding main powers or their rulers. King of Midland had no name, same as Tudor's ruler. Miura was truly a hack.
>>282403726>muh headcanonSo that's why Moira didn't include that one particular chapter with this entity and Griffith, and somewhat didn't come across the whole idea later in the manga?
>>282423948Why did the King of Midland need a name exactly? I agree he could have been more fleshed out, but that doesn't really necessitate a name. I like that he doesn't have a name in the sense that Griffith subconsciously views him as a placeholder to destroy for when he's King. Same with the Queen.
>>282423948I'm not going to go autist too much about worldbuilding but fuck I really didn't give a shit about the magic, Berserk was cool because it was a human story about a really tortured but relatable soul (Guts) and you'd empathize with his struggle. I don't care that Schierke learned about idea of evil or fantasy seeping into reality or whatever bullshit
>>282424162I thought it was pretty cool but to each their own.
>>282424268It's decently cool but Guts has been taking such a backseat for all these years.... The last time he felt human, involved, and "close to the reader" was around the Trolls arc with Lost Children being the last *great* example of this. For the rest of the trip he was just... pokerfaced and half-depressed half at peace (aka boring) while other characters kept talking and doing things instead
>>282397367I think she needs her butt spanked for how she behaves!
>>282424377Schierke is a good girl!
>>282424162Same. I mind solid and juicy worldbuilding if it's done well and fair. But in Berserk's case we had a chaotic shift from a personal, character-centered story, into... I don't know what, to be honest. Instead of more really basic details about the world itself that'd make the story feel better, regardless of its character-oriented model or not, we got all of sudden magic-related shit with infodump, if I remember correctly, even bigger than the whole thing about Gaiseric. That's why many people, not only me, consider Schierke's introduction as the moment where Berserk started going downhill dramatically.
>>282424305It does suck to see him get cucked over and over again, and he gets nothing for his efforts besides nebulous shit like friendship and it's like really nigga? Guts can't even touch Griffith? Guts can't even look at Casca without her having a PTSD attack? Revenge bad? So like what is Guts even good for? What even is the story?
Her powers are sometimes too convienient and reduce the tension for me honestly.Ik Berserk is a dark fantasy and all but i kind of liked it more before she was introduced and magical stuff became more common
>>282424305He was realistic in his human emotions. Even during the current arc, with him being depressed and shit, it is all depicted in a realistic way. But it's a double-edged sword. It also proves that Guts, despite his supposed change of heart and all, despite all those adventures, is stagnant and has remained that one-dimensional meathead from Golden Age arc.
>>282424506I don't mind Guts struggling more and stuff but he doesn't really show much... direction. Like, Lost Children Guts or Black Swordsman Guts didn't truly accomplish things that would make him defeat Griffith (although he achieved good things for him and others) but it still felt like he progressed in his own ways.Meanwhile Guts has just been static since he got his little group. He was still changing at the start when he was alone with Casca and had to handle the hardships of handling someone else and protecting her, to the point where his darker impulses won and made him do something bad.... but after that almost nothing
>>282424506Lost Children is good because Guts is on a self-destructive (and destructive of others) parh of revenge. The moment that stopped and "revenge bad" had to become a plot mechanism was when the story took a turn for the worse. Schierke's introduction and character didn't have to suck. Flora and Skull Knight's story is interesting. But ultimately the story became too tame. I want to see Schierke unable to bring Guts back from whatever pits he digs himself. But the story makes her able to pacify Guts too easily.
>>282424506Blame Miura. He started off well with Berserk, but years after that he turned his creation into a suffering porn of Guts, with Casca getting sexually assaulted once in a while, and random loli fanservice moments appearing out of nowhere.
>>282424561>>282424558pic relatedGuts has been tested and pushed very far during this arc, this didn't really happen again after Schierke came upEven the Berserker Armor's big moment (when he breaks out of it and smiles at Caska) doesn't compare, he just... kinda snaps out of it, it doesn't really involve personal struggle
>>282424600Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of Lost Children chapter (I prefer the two other chapters of the Conviction arc), but I respect it as a build-up story placing emphasis on Guts as a character and his nuanced, seemingly chaotic personality. Lost Children Chapter is way better if you read it right after Black Swordsman arc. Hell, it's even better. My first contact with it was after finishing reading the Golden Age arc, years ago, so perhaps that's the reason why it felt to me as not as impressive on a first glance.
>>282424600>The moment that stopped and "revenge bad" had to become a plot mechanism was when the story took a turn for the worseI really dislike the way Berserk treats revenge.Sure, I can accept the perspective that Guts is on a self destructive path and he might have to reconsider. But at the same time the alternative they seem to be implying (stay with mindbroken Casca and the kids, or do that but go to the deus ex machina elf island) isn't constructive. Casca is broken and TERRIFIED of Guts and Guts can't really do much there. Is it so wrong that he'd go kill apostles instead? He's saving people. It's also one of the ways he can cope with the Eclipse. Is he supposed to just shrug it off and spend time in some house doing basically nothing? Wont he go crazy there?Seriously. It's largely thanks to Puck but Guts came back from his 2 years apostle slaughter in a much better mental state. Had the kids not lost Casca in the woods right before that there would be 0 ground to blame Guts for leaving, it's only because they lost her that Miura could go "see Guts you failed you RAN AWAY!"
>>282424679To add more on that.... the only "fault" of Lost Children in my opinion. Pic related. They really didn't want Guts to kill Rosine in cold blood even though it was the right choice there. Rosine shouldn't be allowed to live, she's a dangerous, murderous, sadistic beast with a 3 to 4 digits killcount.Thankfully it's only being said by a naive child and the idealistic Puck so I can shrug it off as them being dumb.
>>282424612The theme of a male human being fighting with his demons and slowly falling into the oblivion, to which he is doomed to fall anyway (because of Brand), struggling mentally and phisically... Was tossed aside by Miura to have Guts become a daddy leader of his merry fantasy party. Dark fantasy my ass. Happy or positive moments don't have to be naive and overly simplified as they were in Berserk.
>>282424609Lets not forget the character assassination of puck. Bud legit went from an actual character to a star wars reference.Prob as bad as a downfall as chopper becoming a mascot
>>282424661I think Lost Children is really the best arc when it comes to showing Guts' emotion and state of mind, there's a lot of nuance going there in so many panels, it's just really well crafted.>>282424732And yet so many people defend the modern vision. I don't know why. Maybe hypersocialized people who see Guts with people and suddenly think it's great character improvement and "moving forward" but completely ignore the value of Guts' struggle and how it was portrayed?
>>282424679The story is bent on blaming Guts on things that he's not really wrong to do. Like leaving Griffith or leaving mindbroken Casca. And that's fine so long as he's proven right in the long run, but he's not. Like I just don't understand how characters call him baka for leaving Casca when she was terrified of him. And it's not unreasonable that he'd want to kill Griffith for what he did.
>>282424816>leaving GriffithAt least that was Casca and she had reasons to be butthurt about it. It was Guts feeling guilty rather than him being "objectively" wrong. Hell he was going to leave again.>Like I just don't understand how characters call him baka for leaving Casca when she was terrified of him. And it's not unreasonable that he'd want to kill Griffith for what he didBut anon... Revenge bad!!!!Seriousy, this whole thing is predicated on two things, the generic revenge bad platitude and Godot's speech being well delivered. He was good with words so people take it at face value without thinking for 2 seconds about Guts' situation. It makes them feel smarter.
You guys just want the same old suffering with no advancement on Guts' part which was being done slowly but surely, pretending not to know what Miura was endeavoring towards before he died so you can make the same tired posts again and again.Boring as usual.
>>282424943Has Guts made ANY progress since he met Schierke? He spent like 10 or 15 volumes killing fodder. He was already able to hang out with his group before that (he needed them).All Guts did for all these years was.... kill fodder, get immunity from monsters of the night (which is a VERY convenient way to basically give him an easy road trip), get to elf ex machina island and lose Casca again. The only time he showed some development was him reflecting on what he lost once.
>>282424792The worst part is that near the end Guts is totally cucked and yet Chadffith is still as nefarious as usual
>>282424729This picrel is quite a nice one. It shows Guts' realistic approach, even if he's angry and craving for blood. It contrasts well with the girl's innocent approach to Rosine, and Puck's idealistic preaching.>>282424775Relevant character, crucial for Guts as a character, a supporting companion, was turned into chestnut Star Wars cosplayer with a role comparable to a low-tier jester. One of the saddest things to happen in Berserk, imo.>>282424792I think most of people defending modern Berserk are those who do it, because of "muh Kentaro Miura wrote it" reasons. Many of them may be people shitting on nu-Berserk for it resembling more the old stuff when it comes to characterization and atmosphere.Some of them are, of course, unhinged retards who used to spit on modern Berserk, only to change their attitude once Miura died. If you think about it, most of vocal Berserk fans are either edgy fanboys, blind to every form of critique, or people who don't even understand how basic themes work in literature (manga included) and how Berserk fails as a work of art that is written with a solid dose of theme-related consistency. It started off well, moved forward in a good way too (so evolving what was chosen to be a plot's fundament, not changing the fundament itself), but at one point (Schierke's introduction arc) it began dissolving in this aspect.
>>282425058Tfw Rickerto did more damage to Griffith, casually, than Guts with his huge ass sword.
Guts helping a kid process the trauma of "elves" killing his parents by giving him an active role in taking revengeand then later killing the elf queen, saving hundreds of livessomehow he should've stayed home babysitting a potato terrified of him
>>282398167I don't like that
>>282424484Good girls need spankings too or else they will become bad girls!
>>282425062>shitting on nu-Berserk for it resembling more the old stuff when it comes to characterization and atmosphere.It really doesn't though. It's just the same of Guts doing nothing but getting cucked while the rest of his team get to have personalities and agency, but this time drawn ugly.
>>282398167No, I only heard it as a weird fanfic ship. However, I heard that Miura added Schierke on a whim, as a plit device, to have a loli witch that'd teach Farnese. Farnese was to get more major role in the story when it comes to her importance (maybe not Guts' partner that'd cuck Casca, but someone actively carrying the party in the magical sphere). Nu-Berserk kind of hints it, because Schierke has been sidelined for a while.
>>282425172It's not exactly like old Berserk but it's more like it in many ways, starting with the designs, what's being shown (we don't get 70% of a chapter being centered around witches pranks and Star Wars jokes)... of course it's also off in many ways but it's already closer
>>282424612It will never happen again, schierke negating guts curse at night will never allow him to wind up in that state.The removal of the brands curse effect killed alot of what guts had become.
>>282402933miuras best page
Modern Berserk glazers called this edgy and meaningless but I see TONS of development and characterization going thereBlack Swordsman is also very good
>>282424729>>282424679I just wanna say i really dont like the official translation and really miss the old fan translations.
>>282425199>starting with the designsI don't really care about Puck not being a chestnut anymore and it's not better than what Miura was writing or drawing. There's hardly any dialogue, the art is bad, Guts looks like an orangutan with his arms, everyone looks like an alien with their eyes far apart, it's all ugly grayscale, and Guts still gets cucked anyway, even worse than he was in Miura's Berserk. At least in Miura's Casca didn't get literally stolen from him by Griffith after he just worked hard to get her back. That's how the fanfiction began.
>>282425172Pre-Schierke Guts was exactly the same. The biggest turning point in his personality's evolution was when he decided to search for his own destiny, which eventually led him to be cursed and turn into struggler. "Daddy Guts" is just something that would fit into comedy fanfics, in my opinion.Well, as for the line about Guts being cucked... Not the first time, kekw.
>>282425248Same as hereThese people would look at it and think it's just meaningless shock value but there's obviously tons of catharsis there both for Guts and the reader, this is Guts showing TOTAL HUMAN VICTORY
>>282425248Modern Berserk glazers can't even imagine subtle detail or "show, not tell" narration. I'm not surprised they see it as edgy, but glaze over actual edgy stuff, calling it deep or emotional (like trolls raping women). Fuck, they are the same manbaby people who close their ears and eyes when someone mentions the name "Donovan".
>>282425295That's like top 5 character moments material but it's memoryholed because it's one of the less popular arcs and it's not pretentious enoughHe stabbed that guy so hard he broke his dagger and fell on his ass, I can feel the raw emotion there
>>282425183He should've spent more time developing Schierke and Farnese's friendship instead of drawing her airplane feeding Casca and Schierke flirting with Guts
>>282425248>>282425295>>282425335I think the same. Edgy and gore elements had their role in Black Swordsman, and they were refined to their highest form in Lost Children. They were never gore appearing only for the sake of having gore and blood in the manga. That's what made them special, and if we're talking only about Guts, important on a spiritual level. Modern Berserk goes all for meaningless blood and intestines lying around, with occasional rape scene that serves only as a random shock value-filled moment.
>>282425348I don't know what happenee with Miura. Maybe he ran out of ideas after Griffith's return cornered the plot in some way. Or maybe he decided to become a hack storyteller who'd only focus on drawing. But I agree. Schierke and Farnese could've had more moments showing their relation and friendship building up, instead of pages including retarded Casca, Schierke's loli fanservice, or Farnese acting in a awkward way without any reason.
>>282402933Which is more risque to adapt into anime in this modern era, this scene or donovan rape?
>>282426039Schierke butt obviously, male nudity is much more accepted nowadyas and the memorial edition included a pic of shota Guts bare ass being molested
>>282422356>>282423974Shes the only one who can calm Guts down from going Berserk, no pun intended. To my memory, please tell me if I am wrong, the Five have never threatened her. She seems to be holding back a power greater than anything seen.
so who is the behelit guts is carrying for?
>>282427767Guts, so he can be tempted
>>282397300Made for pregnancy
My heroine
>>282429167That game is bizarre.
