One Piece sales are rapidly declining
I hope jump crash and burn. Let actually good manga get popular than shounen trash.
>>282414081>think back about that one sumo episode on wano where luffy pushes the hand of that fat dude for 7 minutes + the intro + the recap taking up half the god damn episodeYeah one piece is (and i hate to use this word) absolute SLOP
>>282414081NOOOOOOOO WHAT ABOUT THE CANDY ISLAND WHERE THERE'S CANDY EVERYWHEREODA IS A GENIUS OF STORYTELLING ADN WORLDBUIDLING
It's tooooooo long
>>282414081It would already be under 200K without the "Demon Slayer saves the print industry" bump
>>282414081We're moving towards a digital era, you can read it officially for free, nothing to worry about
>>282414081it's over and that's a good thing
This graph should be normalised by total mango sales.
>>282414081AIEEEEEEE
really makes you think
>>282414081BASED
One Slop
>>282414081yikes
>>282414081A manga with over 100 volumes still selling 2 million per volume is pretty impressive.
>>282414081That means it's getting good.I will now read One Piece.
Must suck being someone who takes pride in disliking stuff. Not that you can't dislike things but shouldn't you want to talk about things you like instead of talking about things you don't like? You also don't get any benefit from One Piece's sales getting lower. Unless you work for a Shueisha rival or something.
imagine
>>282414081>pissbros...
>>282414081Where the fuck do you store 112 books of the same franchise?
>>282418956I have ~50 One Piece volumes and they take up a full level of my bookshelf. So while 112 volumes would take up a lot of space it's not like it's something impossible. If you live in a small Japanese apartment it may be more of a problem.
>>282419031I see
>>282418944kek didn't they think this would break the internet when it aired and it turned out looking like the naruto and pain fight
>>282418956in the trash
>>282418944>spicmemes
>>282414081It's funny how two of the best-selling mangas in history, OP and Demon Slayer, seem to have no influence on any other manga. I mean, I can see Oda's art style in manga like Fairy Tail and even MHA, but that's still very little. Dragon Ball, Naruto and JoJo's Bizarre Adventures created new ways of writing shonen. They didn't. They just made their authors rich.
>>282414081And yet a single book still outsells at least 6 months of the totality of American comic sales
>>282418944I still don’t really get the point of Daima, why bother to establish “super sayin 4” after going out of your way to ignore it for two decades?
>>282414081This is good news.
>>282420229An anime is more than lore, anon-kun.
>>282419122Naruto vs Pain was goofy bullshit in a fight that really required for the animation to look serious.Gear 5 Luffy was incoherent frantic goofy bullshit with ten thousand impact frames and five hundred cuts per scene so you couldn't tell what the fuck was happening while cartoon sounds happened at random points when all it needed to be was looney toons.
>>282420290Demon Slayer ruined the anime industry.
>>282414081i think it's because only three volumes come out in a year, while some years ago were 4, plus a lot of sales are digital now
o noooooo my fukin favorite series is crashing and burningi will NEVER FUCKING EVER pay for this niggas shitty ass manga that im addicted to
>>282420169>naruto created new ways of writing shonenNaruto did what ten thousands mangas had done before and ten thousand manga have done since, it didn't create anything. Just another plucky underdog protag with a sad backstory in [insert urban fantasy setting here].It's not even unique to manga, fucking Harry Potter does it.
>>282420229Merchandising as the "canon" Super Saiyan 4. That's also why it couldn't look identical to GT's version, because then it wouldn't result in new merch.
/vt/ sisters... the numbers are going down...
>>282414081>declining ever since 2011Wow, the Big East Japan Earthquake Disaster really took its toll on One Piece, didn't it?
>>282420327Every Demon Slayer character looks like overdesigned shit. I genuinely don't understand how it got some popular.
>>282420386I didn't say they created the tropes; I said they created a new way of writing them. Transformations existed before Dragon Ball, but Super Saiyan was the one that popularized them. Childhood rivalries existed before Naruto and Sasuke, but this one was the one that popularized them.
>>282421095>overdesignedEverything is 'over' in this anime, maybe that's the reason. It's a show that screams for you to like it.
>>282420169Undead Unluck is a child of One Piece
>>282414081It makes sense. It's a very long manga (which makes it hard for new generations to read it) + it goes against the cynicism of the current titles (OP is about dreaming, making friends, being happy in a time where misery porn and shock value are what sells).
>>282421266Interesting. Why do you think that?
>>282421159You say created a new way of writing them and then go on to just talk about series that popularized different things. These two things aren't the same. Being the one to popularize something isn't the same as creating a new way of something.
>>282420169>muh influenceIt's not the best metric of quality, and neither is sales. Oda is an idiosyncratic guy and so is his artstyle and style of writing, One Piece would not be easy to imitate.
>>282414081Now we can finally have a GOOD pirate manga, hopefully smart and fun like the Monkey Island games so it filters the pissfags.
>>282420169Dragon Ball influenced a lot but if you think about it many shonen took the wrong lessons from it. For instance, something like Naruto is the polar opposite of Dragon Ball.
>>282414081One Piece is a no milly series right now. The plot is completely fucked and can't be saved. All the mystery boxes were filled with liquid shit. Garp and Roger were RUINED as characters. It's unironically over.
>>282421159>Naruto actually created entirely new ways of liv-...uh writing, it's...uh called having a deuteragonist might be the most delusional post of the decade so far
>>282421660>These two things aren't the same.In the case of these titles, they coexist. And again, I'm not talking about originality, I'm talking about execution + impact.>>282421746>It's not the best metric of quality, and neither is sales.Where did I say it was? My point is that for such popular works, it's natural to expect them to generate creative impact. But that's not what happened.
>>282414081Damn it's kinda funny how one piece sales coincidentally fell off a cliff after the disappointing gear 4 and gigadumped after gear 5. Almost like oda forgot why luffy was such a great character in the first place.
Wano killed the hype. It had no right to be so bloated.>Akazaya>Yamato>A FUCKLOAD of fakeout deaths>The Smile fruit body horror garbageRemove all that and it would've been amazing, but we got an incoherent and boring mess
>>282422517 OH SHIT, I forgot to mention the Oden wank
>>282422562This looks so... unappealing...
>>282422876Kind of the idea, in context
>>282422876the guy was literally being blackmailed into doing a humiliation ritual every day, otherwise the big bad was going to kill a shitload of hostages
>>282425151Is it really worth going along with it? If he can kill them on a whim he probably will regardless of you accepting his terms
>>282414081now post the other jump manga.
>>282425169It wasn't worth it, but Oden was as stupid as he was powerful, and gullible enough to believe the big bad when he said he would take all his men and and ships and leave to go star a war with the world government once he was done using the island's natural resources to manufacture enough weapons for them
>>282414081FUCK YOU ODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Despite spending a large part of my life consuming anime and manga, I've managed to avoid OP. I thought I might enjoy it. But the opportunity cost(relative to all the other anime/manga I could watch instead) and the potential to get roped in to it and feel obligated to finish it due to sunk cost fallacy has kept me away all these years. I was never too confident that I was making the right choice desu. But as the years go on, it seems to get more and more justified. How good would it have to get from here for people to actually want to pick it up? Like people would have to be gushing about it having the best final arcs and ending of all time, and even then we're talking YEARS if that's even possible. I dunno...I feel like avoiding it is the rational choice still but I could turn out to be wrong...
>>282414081Gear 5 is a flop and no one can prove otherwise
>>282425672I started it in 2003 and didn't know much about it at the time. So it's been easy for me to just keep up with it. Regardless of how you feel about its actual quality though it is still one of the biggest manga/anime and it ending will be a large point in manga/anime history. I imagine however it ends will also be basically spoiled for everyone through osmosis as well. Though kind of like you're saying, if I haven't been following it for as long as I have, I probably wouldn't start it since it's so long now.
>>282414081It spun it's wheels for so long that new volumes don't mean shit to a lot of people
>>282425672Just give it a try if you want, it's recommended to read or watch the anime until the Arlong Park arc to gage if it's for you. Reading the manga to catch up is not as daunting of a task as you assume, and overall I'd recommended you read rather than watch the anime, or try the anime later if you like the manga.
>>282414081Should've kept Carrot and Yamato, you absolute negative engagement enabling retard. Because a fully developed boring fish was going to add more flare to the crew.
>>282414081I have never read One Piece. I just wanted to say that it is impossible for a story to be concise and well-written if it goes for over 1,000 chapters the way One Piece has. There has to be a ton of fluff, filler, retcons and meandering. Such lengthiness also inevitably leads to just new concepts/ideas/characters that are actually retreads of older concepts/ideas/characters. Also, lots of loose dangling ends and unresolved sub-plots, because there is no author who can remember every single detail of every single page of every single chapter of the 1,000-plus chapters he's written. No manga or story in general should ever go beyond the range of 200 chapters.
>>282425672When I first tried One Piece ages ago I read about 300 chapters or so up to the end of the Arabasta arc and decided it wasn't for meThen a few years ago I had a lot of spare time at my job at the time so decided to catch up on One Piece specifically as something that would take a while. Took me a bit over a month to go from where I left off up to chapter 1,000, reading it for about 5 hours a day five days a week, I enjoyed it waaaaaay more thanks to Oda's artstyle improving, the deeper lore of the setting's 3,000 years of history - which I really vibed with- starting to get revealed in the very next arc from where I'd left off, and also due to being less of a tryhard chuuni compared to the first time, so all the characters being goofy and the serious moments having their tension dispelled by gags and exaggerated faces became something I actually appreciated rather than tried to ignore.At the end of the day despite how ubiquitous it is, One Piece isn't for everyone and you shouldn't invest your time and emotions into something you don't like just because it's popular
>>282421329The mcs are based on Smoker and Tashigi
>>282422517People were saying this about fisherman Island
>>282426273>conciseStories don't need to be concise. Especially when concise (as it applies to modern anime) is "12 episode series that doesn't have the time to do anything substantial". >well writtenHas nothing to do with length. I think you're projecting the current anime mindset that's biased towards 12 episode series onto One Piece when it's structured in a completely different way. I'm not saying One Piece hasn't gotten worse as it's gone along but seeing people incapable of imagining a lengthy series being good just annoys me to now end when I watch a single cour anime and it's garbage because the studio doesn't know how to use the limited time they have.>200 chaptersPeople who use chapter numbers to gauge length are inevitably those who only read weekly series (and more likely only read the most popular shonen magazines). Chapters of manga in general vary wildly in terms of length so saying "200 chapters" means nothing as that could be anywhere from 10 volumes to 20 volumes to 30+ volumes depending on how long the chapters are.
>>282426435And they are right
>>282414081One Piece is legitimately the worst shonen I've ever seen. This show and its autistic hood weeb fanbase are a blight against battle shonen, along with anime and manga in general. When this show finally ends, I hope it's quickly forgotten about and that the sunkcostfags who worship this garbage as a Shakespearean epic can realize all the time they've wasted and do something more productive with their lives or get better media taste.Genuinely, some of the worst and most annoying debaters on anime quality I've ever seen have been One Piece fans with their million layers of mental gymnastics to justify things such as Luffy's boring and flat characterization that never changes, Luffy always winning by convenience, his constant asspull power-ups, him being son of Garp, having the Will of D (whatever the fuck that is), everyone seemingly being friends with his father, the constant and forced gags as a cheap ploy to keep readers connected with the characters, the god awful worldbuilding, Gear 5 and the devil fruits in general, the repetitive plot structure and usage of same character archetypes over and over, the cluttering of panels, I could go on and on. It's genuinely some of the most eye bleeding and awful garbage put to a manga page, but yet it's millions of fans will still guzzle on Oda's semen pretending he's made some masterpiece.
>>282420169Aliens Area had the MC get a stretchy alien arm as his signature weapon, but the actual tone was closer to FMA or somethingThere's probably lots of other examples in axed and forgotten manga of authors trying to take inspiration from One Piece and failing because they tried to make it 'cooler'
>>282426644Dude, shut the fuck up. No story needs 1000 chapters to be good.
>>282426333>I enjoyed it waaaaaay more thanks to Oda's artstyle improving,His art peaks around Skypiea, everything after that is a slow degradation with a noticeable slump after the timeskip when he simplified a lot of designs.
>>282426801>he got filtered by Gormenghast
>>282426984the main thing I disliked about the early art was how often characters would be drawn with pacman mouths and tombstone teeth
>>282426984The designs are better since the time skip, especially from Zou/Whole Cake onwards, and I can give several examples of this. I agree that the panelling became messier and the line art less clean, but the designs themselves only got better.
>>282426801You sound mad, anon. Why does long manga make you so upset?
>>282427034I don't mind the early art at all, I find it quite charming.>>282427090I'm not convinced. The Straw Hats especially DEFINITELY got way worse.
>>282427473I'll give you that some of them, like Chopper and Franky, looked better in the pre TS, but that's more because of the radical design change they went through than Oda just not being able to draw them properly. On the other hand you have Straw Hats like Zoro or Nami who look better than ever now.
>>282427730Cover spreads unironically don't count, Oda can put hours into one picture and then spend 10 minutes on an inside panel, so the latter is more representative.
>>282427730Nah, short haired Nami was way better. The outfits Nami wears post time skip are also mostly too revealing imo. They're not even sexy, it's to the point of just being silly looking.
>>282420327Demon slayers look great compared to the visual diarrhea of current one piece
>>282427777My point is that his character designs got better, not that the art of manga got better overall and that's what I'm showing you. That's why I said the panelling and line art were better back then.>>282427807Idk man, you can have your preferences I guess, for me Nami has never looked as cute and hot as she does now.
>>282427807Post timeskip > pre timeskip Big boobs > small boobs Long hair > short hair Sexy > cute Vagina bones > no vagina bones Skimpy outfits > prudish outfits Only SJWs will disagree
>>282427730What is so good about current Zoro?
>>282428159I just think he looks cooler now.
>>282428040Elbaf is a return to form in many respects I'll grant you that, so just saying it always goes down is wrong. But if you go look at Fishman/Dressrosa/Zou it's pretty noticeably worse than Sabaody for example.
>>282428159It's not a good thing, but now he glows green
>>282427882All hopes for One Piece to have a decent anime are pinned on this.
The manga hasnt been quality since TS and i think even the biggest normies are fed up with the formulaic bullshit
>>282428069>Post TS Nami in her old Pre TS outfitHot
>>282428439It will never come out, toei probably kidnapped and killed the staff, which is why there hasn't been any news since the first announcement.
>>282428598>toei probably kidnapped and killed the staffI can see them doing that kek. Only a bunch of psychopaths would keep up a weekly anime adaptation of a 30 year old manga with an old and tired author who can barely deliver 3 chapters per month.
>>282428309Dork
>>282425672>Like people would have to be gushing about it having the best final arcs and ending of all time,As someone who loves it - no. It's about the journey not the goal. If you don't like the first few chapters/episodes you probably won't ever love it, no matter the ending and some good moments here and there. Like it for the stupid thing it is or not.
>>282428309>coolerprettier
>>282420169One Piece has influenced countries to overthrow their government.
>>282429807You don't get it, that has less meaning than some manga doing another gay shonen rivalry after Kishimoto did it.
>>282425282This would be alright if everyone shat on him for it instead of wanking him off
>>282420169mha was inspired by naruto
>>282430000he got shat on for it for years. the people only stopped shitting on him for it because he died with honor sacrificing himself to save his retainers in what was functionally an act of seppuku
>>282420169Talking about influences, it's crazy how much Gash Bell takes from One Piece, but I've never seen anyone point it out. I know it's not as popular as Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen, but it's still well-known enough that more people should notice it.
>>282426435Fishman Island was 51 chapters, Wano was 149.Different league.
>>282421095>overdesignedBuzzword
>>282430389>the Western anime community unanimously repeating something positive about One PieceLol, keep waiting.
>>282414081Lmfao warm pissers in the trenches. You love to see it
>>282420327>>282421095>seething faggotOda will be joining Miura in hell
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>>282425672I would argue that it's the fate of all long-running series.If you think OP is bad right now, Jojo is in an even worse state.
>>282431533Jojolion suffered from corporate 'requesting' it wrap up a few volumes sooner than planned but Jojolands' only problem is the monthly release. the chapters themself have been consistently good
>>282430577I mean yeah, I've seen people say that the One Piece sales are actually half the official numbers or that the Jump rankings are rigged. It's crazy to see how far people who don't like this series will go to put it down.
>>282414081i mean everything is just flashbacks at this pointone piece died with the timeskip
you think it has something to do with this?
If the next arc isn't Laughtale I'll personally kill Oda
>>282431825next arc will probably be meeting the flame-marked man on Lodestar, but it'll probably be a short prelude arc to Laughtale like Water 7 was to Ennies Lobby
>>282426273>I've never read thing>but here's why you should totally listen to my opinion of why thing must be badare you an idiot
>>282431807Most KINO timeline
>>282414081One Piss is an old hag that didn't have kids when she could and now has no eggs. Maybe it's because it took so much from other media that it really never was unique from the start, it always was an amalgamation of fairy tale tropes made manga
I thought One Piece was ending. Why is it still going?
>>282432719you penis cultists are crazy
>>282432147>2000+ episodes telenovelas? You cannot say that are bad because you never finished one
>>282432734money cash (although much less than before)
There's no way One Piece will have a satisfying ending. Absolutely impossible
>>282432805https://desuarchive.org/a/search/filename/1711255485964177.png/
>>282431807they're so obssessed with One Piece in countries like vietnam, taiwan, thailande, laos. It's funny and fitting
>>282432885The country most obsessed with One Piece are Japan and France.
>>282432861So?
>>282414081thats cool anon, lets see how other mangas are doing
>>282426154no one reads OP for the bitches though
>>282432719>One Piss is an old hag that didn't have kids when she could and now has no eggsGloriosa...
>>282421266>Undead Unluckare we supposed to know that flop
UTA will save the sales of One Piece.
>>282433247Who?
>>282433060Utter lie. They made top 10 in almost every part of the world.
>>282421159This is what we call shifting the goalpost, this wasn't your original claim, nor what I refuted. I accept your concession.
>>282431825But I probably still have to live like 30 to 40 years.
>>282433521>muh globaleveryone knows the west loves girlboss shit but they don't spend so they're irrelevant
>>282421095>overdesignedit's literally fma with swords
>>282433502YOASOBI's self-insert from the movie.I guess, that character is not in the manga.
>>282438657>YOASOBIWait, that was Ado, wasn't it?
>>282432758>2000+ ep series, watch ZERO and have an opinion>26 episodes series, watch 0 and have an opinion>6 episode series, watch 0 and have an opinion
>>282431553Jojolion was all Araki. There was no "corporate requesting".>>282432758You can have an opinion of something without finishing it. Watching/reading even a little bit of One Piece would still make your opinion more valid than just seething at long manga despite having read nothing of them.
>>282414081Aren't manga sales on the decline industry wide or something?
>>282439668They are. OP is retarded thinking this is good news
