>>282418498
People meme the chimera ant arc as the best but thats the arc where HxH starts stagnating hard.
Yorknew is a way better arc.
So is greed island but most HxH fans aren't ready to accept that fact.

Hunter x hunter is over.

>>282418498
>shonenslop thread

>>282418498
Is that Rocky Maivia?

>>282418565
Wing, a teacher of nen and its techniques, explains that forcibly opening nen can be dangerous and if you have even the slightest bit of ill intent you can kill someone doing it. All the ants have theirs opened up in this fashion and none have any repercussions. This could be explained with their bodies being tougher or acting differently but that's just speculation on something that was defined earlier. They also are able to instantly control their nen which means opening and closing their nodes so they don't harm themselves.

The King is evil for the sake of being evil. It's not like the queen was especially cruel. I'd say this is a nature vs. nurture theme if the ants remained static but some ants are born bad, others are born neutral, some are shaped into being better people (the King himself). If this was a theme he was going for it's muddled by the characters action and growth (or lack thereof) so, I have to ask, why is the King evil to begin with?

It hurts the concept behind the nen system. The system is that there's classes you have an affinity for and you can spec into other classes but it won't be as strong as what you're naturally inclined into. It also says that Class A of equal strength could beat Class B of equal strength (there's a whole thing of attack and defense points) while Class A might lose to Class C under the same conditions. It makes it so that you might not really need to have more nen (in comparison to a Dragonball where your bigger number means victory most times). This makes it seem like the class system will be important but The King simply has more nen, the ants abilities aren't ever really counteracted, and the ants are inherently "stronger". It made me realize how little this actually comes into play.

>>282418976
>All the ants have theirs opened up in this fashion and none have any repercussions. This could be explained with their bodies being tougher or acting differently but that's just speculation on something that was defined earlier. They also are able to instantly control their nen which means opening and closing their nodes so they don't harm themselves.
That is because they have no ill intent in doing so, they do so because it will improve their ability to complete their given tasks.
>The King is evil for the sake of being evil. It's not like the queen was especially cruel.
Because he is born with the innate goal of establishing and expanding his homeland.

The point of the arc is not nature vs nurture, and that is not the theme. The theme is related to change and negative growth. Gon and Mereum have inverse arcs from one another, as generic and gay as that statement is to make. Gon develops to become more insular and individualistically focused, treating other life as lesser in the face of his current goals, where Mereum begins to view humans as worth keeping around despite his species' goal being to expand solely the ant colonies.
The several different ants are all expanded on in various ways to further highlight the ideas of the inhuman becoming human, with the three most devout ants all having their built in motivations drawn out into humanistic, relatable, concrete ideas.

>>282419306
Dark does not equal quality. I see too many times how much people applaud this arc because of how dark it gets. To me it detracted because it felt very try hard with the kid killing and brain eating. It never really hit that height again but I found myself kind of turned off by it. Not because of it being dark but because how hard it tried to establish itself as dark.

Too many awesome powers are barely showcased or dismissed quickly. Knuckle is the key offender here as he has an amazing and unique ability, he uses it in his fight against Gon, attatches it to Cheeto (who gets it removed by another ant somehow), and against one of the Royals. Kite has a 9 slot weapon, we see 3 slots (2 being bad draws) and never get to see the others. The ant that could borrow abilities for an hour showcases 2 (maybe 3) abilities and then dies in his first fight.

Why did the bird attack Komugi? That was so forced. Komugi is an established klutz, she could've banged into something and go bird seed in her hair, she could've opened the window and the birds nest be outside, something, ANYTHING.


That's the stuff I remember off the top of my head. To me this is when HxH started to become "worse JoJo's" to me and from what I hear is going on in the manga that's looking to be the case more and more.

>>282419306
>and that is not the theme. The theme is related to change and negative growth.
Okay so then what is it?

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>>282419316
I don't know why you replied to me when nothing said here applies to what I wrote.
>Why did the bird attack Komugi?
Pic.
A lot of your posts have this air of just weak complaints.
You don't get to see every Kite ability. Yeah. And? He's still around.
It's dark. Yeah. It's Togashi, he switches from lighter to darker arcs all the time, this is a trait older than HxH itself.
The Komugi shit is just odd, it's just pure logos and no real comprehension for what is actually being done in a given scene or series of scenes.
>>282419339
I stated what it is.

>>282419471
>The theme is related to change and negative growth
You're not actually saying what the theme is. You're saying what it's related to.
>A lot of your posts have this air of just weak complaints.
Pointing out how the story contradicts it's own themes is a weak complaint?
>It's dark. Yeah. It's Togashi, he switches from lighter to darker arcs all the time, this is a trait older than HxH itself.
In this case it's tonal whiplash and comes across as very tryhard.
>The Komugi shit is just odd, it's just pure logos and no real comprehension for what is actually being done in a given scene or series of scenes.
I've literally given examples of how it doesn't work and why my idea would have been better.

>>282419513
I basically am stating the theme, I just don't feel like bullshitting a term to ascribe all the ideas under.
And your posts only state that the story "contradicts the theme" when you ascribe a completely unfounded 'nature vs nurture' idea to the work. Beyond that, your posts are more about battle anime tropes, wanting to see every ability or see 'cool abilities'.
>In this case it's tonal whiplash and comes across as very tryhard.
Yeah, I suppose you can frame it in a negative way. Why is tonal whiplash bad? Why is it tryhard? Because kids get eaten? Does that make JoJo tryhard when it has Dio has a woman eat her baby?
Maybe it's just a series doing dark ideas for a change of pace. Hunter x Hunter does that all the time. Yorkshin had the series introduce several named characters who all die within a couple volumes of their introductions.
>I've literally given examples of how it doesn't work and why my idea would have been better.
Your idea is, again, pure logos. All story "logic", you may as well be saying "nen doesn't exist in real life so it shouldn't exist here" for how relevant it is.
Anyways, I posted the literal page that connects to Komugi being attacked. That's the connection, that's why the eagle is attacking her.

>>282419659
>I basically am stating the theme, I just don't feel like bullshitting a term to ascribe all the ideas under.
Why is it so hard for you to tell me what the theme is?
>And your posts only state that the story "contradicts the theme" when you ascribe a completely unfounded 'nature vs nurture' idea to the work. Beyond that, your posts are more about battle anime tropes, wanting to see every ability or see 'cool abilities'.
Why introduce so many abilities when they don't get shown off? If you set up something you pay it off. That's the basics of writing.
Yeah, I suppose you can frame it in a negative way.
>Why is tonal whiplash bad?
It takes the viewers out of the experience and ends up looking comical.
>Why is it tryhard?
Kid killing and brain eating
>Your idea is, again, pure logos. All story "logic", you may as well be saying "nen doesn't exist in real life so it shouldn't exist here" for how relevant it is.
Anyways, I posted the literal page that connects to Komugi being attacked. That's the connection, that's why the eagle is attacking her.
Then how come you can't explain it?

>>282419873
>Why introduce so many abilities when they don't get shown off? If you set up something you pay it off. That's the basics of writing.
There is no "rule to writing", that's a general guideline that doesn't need to be followed.
You may as well be complaining about Heaven's Arena not showing off all the floors or the big tournament.
>It takes the viewers out of the experience and ends up looking comical.
Except it obviously didn't since you're the minority opinion. That's why just framing things as bad and appealing to vague ideas of "the audience" is asinine.
>Then how come you can't explain it?
I figured it'd be self-explanatory.

>>282419941
>There is no "rule to writing", that's a general guideline that doesn't need to be followed.
There's no objective standard to writing because its all subjective. But everyone agrees that when you set up something you should pay it off, otherwise you've built up to nothing.
This isn't even talking about my other complaints with the show.
>Power system built up as an XYZ Pokémon Battle type system except it always comes down to who has the stronger nen.
>Killua literally pulling the character development out of his head.
>Killua fails first at the Hunter Exam and then next time he takes it, he beats everyone immediately and comes out nonchalantly like it wasn't difficult at all
>Gon being mad about Kite's death when he never even knew him for more than a few moments.
>Rubber nen
>The lack of rules and questions around restrictions. How do they work?
>Nobody knowing what nen is despite it being a huge part of the world.

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>>282420029
Your complaints are, again, all petty or irrelevant and don't really have anything to do with anything.
Battle system quibbles are shit I'd file under "Who fucking cares", because every story is written to have the stronger character (in power or ideals) win.
Killua's needle is intensely foreshadowed and comes as the culmination to his growth, not as the reason for it.
His different performances within the Hunter Exams has to do with motive. He didn't care for the exams the first go around and was there to kill time. The second go around, he's there with a singular driven goal.
Gon did know Kite- Kite is the entire reason Gon knows his dad is alive, knows that he's a hunter, and is the reasone why Gon was inspired to become a hunter. Kite is often the first name out of Gon's mouth in the earliest arcs when it comes to people who inspired him.
Restrictions are explained several times across the series, and nobody knowing about nen has been showcased in universe several times, most notably during Chrollo vs Hisoka, where they show the news coverage on it following the event, but also, the entirety of the Hunter Exams show why people would be unaware of nen- supernatural happenings exist in the universe. People can be incredibly strong and dexterous and do absurd feats without being questioned, like Illumi's disguise in the Hunter Exams.

>>282420164
>Battle system quibbles are shit I'd file under "Who fucking cares", because every story is written to have the stronger character (in power or ideals) win.
Strategy doesn't matter I guess. I guess showing off everything your characters can do is bad I guess. Setting up things and not paying them off is good I guess.
>Killua's needle is intensely foreshadowed and comes as the culmination to his growth, not as the reason for it.
It comes across as cheap when he can pull a needle out of his head and magically be better instead of having to work for it.
>Gon did know Kite- Kite is the entire reason Gon knows his dad is alive, knows that he's a hunter, and is the reasone why Gon was inspired to become a hunter. Kite is often the first name out of Gon's mouth in the earliest arcs when it comes to people who inspired him.
Gon only knew Kite for less than a few months and he treated it like one of his family members died, or Killua died.

>>282420164
>Restrictions are explained several times across the series, and nobody knowing about nen has been showcased in universe several times, most notably during Chrollo vs Hisoka, where they show the news coverage on it following the event, but also, the entirety of the Hunter Exams show why people would be unaware of nen- supernatural happenings exist in the universe. People can be incredibly strong and dexterous and do absurd feats without being questioned, like Illumi's disguise in the Hunter Exams.
Can you remove a restriction? How do you create a restriction? How do you enforce it(example, the chains that only work on phantom troupe members, do they work on ex members, if they change the name of the troupe willit still work, if someone lies and says they are a member of the troupe can he use the chains without it killing him, if someone is wrapped in the chain and they say "I renounce my membership of the troupe"Can willit still work?) Can you change restrictions in small ways to fit the situation? Can you transfer it? Can you have multiple restrictions? If you do have multiple restrictions, can you make a restriction that cancels out another restriction? He says that he will use all the nen he will ever havedoes that mean all the nen that he has in him right now? Does that factor in any future training that he may do? There are too many questions about restrictions.

>>282420255
>doesn't matter I guess
Yeah it doesn't.
>is bad I guess.
Never stated, you have a pathological issue with taking things and appending negativity to them to create points, rather than actually examining things as they are.
>It comes across as cheap when he can pull a needle out of his head and magically be better instead of having to work for it.
He did. He went from a socially awkward hanger-on who could barely resist his urge to kill to someone who put his life on the line for others multiple times. That is a culmination, not the actual development itself. It's like complaining about a character transforming when they hit the apex of their development.
>Gon only knew Kite for less than a few months and he treated it like one of his family members died, or Killua died.
He hadn't known Killua that long either- a bit over a year of time passes from the Hunter Exams to them parting ways.
And again, Kite is the single most important person in Gon's life for who he is by that point in time. He is the person who pushed Gon in the direction he had been going that entire time.

Your post about restrictions is power level tier autism that only has benefit in regards to fanfiction. It's an ongoing work, if it's relevant it'll be explained, if it's irrelevant, you'll learn Japanese and buy a guidebook.

>>282418498
humanity defeated ant king by being more evil
based

>>282418498
You've made this thread before. Why do you care? People like different things. I think Attack on Titan looks gay, but it's one of the most popular series ever. That's fine. Do we all need to have the same tastes?

>>282420382
How about answering the questions? All of these things are plot relevant and if they're not explained then that's bad writing. Surely there must be some examples of this happening in the story, no?
Can you remove a restriction? How do you create a restriction? How do you enforce it(example, the chains that only work on phantom troupe members, do they work on ex members, if they change the name of the troupe willit still work, if someone lies and says they are a member of the troupe can he use the chains without it killing him, if someone is wrapped in the chain and they say "I renounce my membership of the troupe"Can willit still work?) Can you change restrictions in small ways to fit the situation? Can you transfer it? Can you have multiple restrictions? If you do have multiple restrictions, can you make a restriction that cancels out another restriction? He says that he will use all the nen he will ever havedoes that mean all the nen that he has in him right now? Does that factor in any future training that he may do?

>>282420504
They are only plot relevant when they become relevant.
Knowing every mechanic of something is not relevant. I do not need to know how the arrows in JoJo were made or work beyond the fact that they give stands. I do not need to know how everyone agreed on the name "Stand". I do not need to know the technology behind mechanical ki blasters in Dragon Ball. I do not need to know every technical detail of a nen restriction in HxH when we have only seen them be used to extreme degrees by two characters.

You're a simple minded idiot.

>>282420382
>Yeah it doesn't.
Basic writing rules don't matter? This is what Hunter X Hunter fans resort to to defend their shitty writing.
>Knowing every mechanic of something is not relevant. I do not need to know how the arrows in JoJo were made or work beyond the fact that they give stands. I do not need to know how everyone agreed on the name "Stand". I do not need to know the technology behind mechanical ki blasters in Dragon Ball. I do not need to know every technical detail of a nen restriction in HxH when we have only seen them be used to extreme degrees by two characters.
Actually, yes it is relevant. Nothing of this is autistic power level stuff, all of this is me taking what is shown in the story and asking basic questions about how it applies to different situations, which is what you should do as any critic of any story.
Can you remove a restriction? How do you create a restriction? How do you enforce it(example, the chains that only work on phantom troupe members, do they work on ex members, if they change the name of the troupe willit still work, if someone lies and says they are a member of the troupe can he use the chains without it killing him, if someone is wrapped in the chain and they say "I renounce my membership of the troupe"Can willit still work?) Can you change restrictions in small ways to fit the situation? Can you transfer it? Can you have multiple restrictions? If you do have multiple restrictions, can you make a restriction that cancels out another restriction? He says that he will use all the nen he will ever havedoes that mean all the nen that he has in him right now? Does that factor in any future training that he may do?

Are you keep dodging the questions? Or keep trying these false equivalences?

>>282420619
Autist.

>>282420648
>Cries autism when people put the most basic level of critical thinking to the power system in a story
HunterXHunterTards everybody.

>>282420689
Read the fucking wiki page man, but it's evidently clear you spend more time in these threads than I would ever desire to.

>>282420561
The fact that people can manifest powers out of nowhere breaks the fighting system. Chrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told. What's stopping one of the Troop members from going "in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
But when fighting Hisoka, he said "I used to need to hold the book in one hand, now I don't. But I have some restrictions." He never said the restrictions or how he overcame needing one hand. They sat Gon and Kill down at least 3 time to explain nen and it's still confusing????
Let's go down the sequence of events. Chro had a limitation that he needed to hold the book now he does not. How did he do that, why now, what are the restrictions, what narrative sense does it make to take away a hindrance without showing another hindrance to replace it?
This series is retarded and you're doing a dogshit job of defending it.

>>282418498
>Can anyone tell me what's so special about Hunter X Hunter and the Chimera Ant arc?
It's just fun. Fun powers, fun plot, fun asspulls.

>>282420704
>Read the fucking wiki page man, but it's evidently clear you spend more time in these threads than I would ever desire to.
So you can't even defend your own arguments or your own series?

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>>282420714
>hrollo needed to hold the book, but later he doesn't. Why? Never told.
That actually is directly stated.
>What's stopping one of the Troop members from going "in exchange for blindness, I'll always know where the chain user is".
That's not an extension of any of their abilities that we know of (key term). This is the issue with speaking definitively on an incomplete work, because that very well could be revealed in a later chapter, but as it stands, nobody has any motive or ability to do that.
Kurapika's restrictions are seen by every character as short sighted and crippling. He literally gives up part of his lifespan in the current arc, and his advice led to Gon nearly dying and needing literal magical intervention. What Kurapika does is incredibly dangerous.
>But when fighting Hisoka, he said "I used to need to hold the book in one hand, now I don't. But I have some restrictions." He never said the restrictions or how he overcame needing one hand.
He did. He revealed another ability of his book.
This is the first time we've ever seen Chrollo actually fight semi-seriously by the way.
You ask a constant stream of meandering and dumb questions that could very easily be answered by paying attention.
Why don't you go and live on a fucking fan wiki if you're this inept at reading.
Like
>How did he do that
Hisoka's fight with Chrollo is the first time he has ever fought in a serious manner. His fight with the Zoldycks was the only other engagement he had and he is called out on not taking it seriously.
>>282420830
I'm saying you're an obnoxious retard who asks uninteresting questions that only power level autists would ever care about.

OP is a dyslexic animeonly dubfag btw.

These threads suck but I'm going to respond anyway because I'm an NPC with no free will.

>>282418976
>All the ants have theirs opened up in this fashion and none have any repercussions
Do we actually know that? By the time the King was born the vast majority were dead. It could've just been due to Netero, but some could've died during initiation.
>The King is evil for the sake of being evil
He's basically a baby and humans are a different species. He's hungry, born to be spoiled, and he sees a bunch of dumb animals made of tasty meat.
>why is the King evil to begin with?
Good and evil are concepts humans come up with and apply on top of things that already exist without any concern for it, and not everyone can agree on how the words are defined (I would think recent political events would've taught you that). So why are you judging a bug for not know your moral system?
>The King simply has more nen
Whatever way you measure humans, you'll find a bell curve due to the piling on of random variables creating a roughly normal distribution. The best people will be whoever's on the right end of the tail, but we won't know who those people are before measuring them. This isn't true with Chimera Ants. They're born into a fixed hierarchy. The King was predetermined to be the strongest of them, with the Royal Guards just below him, followed by Squadron Leaders, Officers and then the various mooks. There was no random individuality determining this, they were predetermined. Someone has to be the best: they're the King. They don't need to be born and measured.
>the ants abilities aren't ever really counteracted, and the ants are inherently "stronger"
I'm sort of agree with you, but there are some exceptions depending how you look at it: Knuckle could have beaten Youpi but chose not to in order to save his friends; Ikalgo shouldn't have beaten Welfin or Brovuda, but beat both; Gon beat Pitou; Killua's Nen ability was particularly bad for Pouf so he had to run away.

>>282420956
>Do we actually know that? By the time the King was born the vast majority were dead. It could've just been due to Netero, but some could've died during initiation.
If it's not stated in the series, then it's not stated.

>Good and evil are concepts humans come up with and apply on top of things that already exist without any concern for it, and not everyone can agree on how the words are defined (I would think recent political events would've taught you that). So why are you judging a bug for not know your moral system?
When people say shit like 'way above humans on the food chain', you realize that we don't think of animals as evil for reasons completely unrelated to potential circle-of-life or ecosystem factors. We don't think of bears as evil for killing humans by defending their territory because bears CAN'T think of other people's feelings the way people can. We don't begrudge the cat for killing a mouse because it literally can not fathom philosophical discussions of if the mouse deserved it.

The only reason humans are not evil for eating other animals isn't because 'animals are beneath them', it is because animals factually can't think the way people do in a very meaningful sense. Ants and humans both clearly are sapient. Yes, ants are ACTUALLY evil, not 'perceived' evil. I do agree that Meruem's growth is remarkable and radically unexpected given the short lifetime he ended up having, but I would be more compelled to be interested in it if A. I had any real emotional connection to him and B. The whole thing was predicated on finding the most insane girl on earth.

>>282420857
So with the proper restrictions you could have literally any ability correct?
Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her. She has a restriction, but negates that restriction for Kill. So she can just decide to negate it?
So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
So with this ability that we know nothing about the main characters life was saved. Is that good story telling?
If it wasn't for Nanako and he mystery power, he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling? Doesn't matter if he is a main character or the main. He survived and we don't have all of the details behind it. Is it good story telling?
So the details of how a character has a restriction that can be deactivated at will that saved a main characters life will be explained at some point. Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
Lmao, absolutely dogshit series.

>>282421048
>Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her. She has a restriction, but negates that restriction for Kill. So she can just decide to negate it?
>So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
You're a retard who hasn't actually read the series as Nanika is not using nen and is not human. Nanika is an entity from the Dark Continent. Her wish granting is her innate ability, and her punishing people is something she chooses to do, and she doesn't do it for Killua simply because he treats her and Alluka like normal people instead of like a tool or a monster.

Honestly, with how your speech continually degrades, your constant misspellings, failure to even write down basic six letter names properly, failure to spell "troupe", shit like that, I feel no desire to continue engaging. You are obviously speaking from an intensely bad faith position and your only goal was to get mad and treat the board like /v/.

>>282421123
I'm literally giving plot relevant questions and your only response is to autistically screech at me about how I'm not spelling things correctly. You didn't even answer any of my questions.
So with the proper restrictions you could have literally any ability correct?
Kills sister can grant any wish with not negatives to her. She has a restriction, but negates that restriction for Kill. So she can just decide to negate it?
So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
So with this ability that we know nothing about the main characters life was saved. Is that good story telling?
If it wasn't for Nanako and he mystery power, he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling? Doesn't matter if he is a main character or the main. He survived and we don't have all of the details behind it. Is it good story telling?
So the details of how a character has a restriction that can be deactivated at will that saved a main characters life will be explained at some point. Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

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>>282418498
>>282418565
Hunter X Hunter is at it's best during the Hunter Exam. Specifically, the 1999 adaptation of the Hunter Exam. It's all downhill from there.

>>282418498
hxh is peak shonen. the battles are well-thought out and never boring, the characters feel human without cringe ass shit, the story is fucking interesting and gets even better later on

>>282421208
>your only response is to autistically screech at me about how I'm not spelling things correctly
I don't particularly enjoy talking to someone who very clearly only cares about the discussion to the extent with which he can "own" people or whatever it is.
>>>/v/

>>282419316
>To me it detracted because it felt very try hard with the kid killing and brain eating
It was just establishing Meruem's relationship with humans.
>Too many awesome powers are barely showcased or dismissed quickly
Other battle shounen have this same problem, but usually the author will distract the reader from thinking about it by never even alluding to it (sometimes they do, like Kakashi's 1000 jutsu or Hidan's other techniques he never used, or Oda telling us in an SBS that Hound has a fruit - gee, thanks). It doesn't make sense for every Nen user to use their ability the moment they show up and it wouldn't make sense for them to be satisfied, after years and years, with just one ability, so obviously they have more. But Togashi isn't going to force the story to go in a direction that showcases everything they can do because that'd be a waste of time. He's only at 400 chapters. At that point in One Piece there was only 36 fruits.
>Knuckle is the key offender here as he has an amazing and unique ability, he uses it in his fight against Gon, attatches it to Cheeto (who gets it removed by another ant somehow), and against one of the Royals
You're upset he ONLY used it 3 times? Where else did you want him to use it?
>Kite has a 9 slot weapon, we see 3 slots (2 being bad draws) and never get to see the others. The ant that could borrow abilities for an hour showcases 2 (maybe 3) abilities and then dies in his first fight
They're a small part of a larger story, Togashi isn't going to waste time showing off every single ability they have for no reason.
>"worse JoJo's"
I love JJBA, but Hunter x Hunter is better by virtue of actually having a plot. JJBA is just Monster of the Week fights. It sounds like that's what you want. Character shows up, shows off all their abilities, dies, everyone moves on to the next fight.

>>282421384
>They're a small part of a larger story, Togashi isn't going to waste time showing off every single ability they have for no reason.
Then why have them at all?

>>282421013
>If it's not stated in the series, then it's not stated
It also wasn't stated that none had repercussions. Good job defeating your own argument, anon.
>The only reason humans are not evil for eating other animals isn't because 'animals are beneath them', it is because
We say so.
>animals factually can't think the way people do in a very meaningful sense
But you're fellating intelligence BECAUSE humans are the most intelligent species and you're human. And the entire discussion on good and evil comes from us being social animals and needing to figure out whether certain acts will have positive or negative consequences on those social relationships. Empathy evolved as an evolutionarily beneficial trait if someone makes sacrifices that have a net gain for their genes, as expressed in the people they make sacrifices for. The ants have a more rigid system they adhere to. Their entire reproductive system is placed on the shoulders of the King. Feeding the King is way more important to them than letting some random nobody animals live. There's no reason for him to just be born giving a shit about humans.
>I would be more compelled to be interested in it if
I don't care. If you don't like it, that's fine. That's your opinion.

Why do retards bring up the dumbest reasons to complain or critique the series?
I respect the people who just call this shit boring way more than those faggets

>>282421679
>It also wasn't stated that none had repercussions. Good job defeating your own argument, anon.
It's not my job to prove anything either way. The series didn't show anything.
>We say so.
Nice job ignoring the argument.
>But you're fellating intelligence BECAUSE humans are the most intelligent species and you're human. And the entire discussion on good and evil comes from us being social animals and needing to figure out whether certain acts will have positive or negative consequences on those social relationships. Empathy evolved as an evolutionarily beneficial trait if someone makes sacrifices that have a net gain for their genes, as expressed in the people they make sacrifices for. The ants have a more rigid system they adhere to. Their entire reproductive system is placed on the shoulders of the King. Feeding the King is way more important to them than letting some random nobody animals live. There's no reason for him to just be born giving a shit about humans.
Being a sociopath and not understanding human emotions doesn't automatically make you a psychopathic murderous monster. It doesn't mean that you can't observe that humans dislike it when you kill people. They actively choose to kill people despite that. They are evil.

>>282421743
What even makes it more painful is that there’s clear shit to shit on like Alluka, Kite revival, pacing issues, but these dumb fucking monkeys post the same copy pasta about the same garbage

>>282421048
>So with the proper restrictions you could have literally any ability correct?
If "the proper restriction" is attainable.
>So why is the restriction there in the first place if it can be negated at will?
It's not negated at will, it just doesn't apply for Killua. That's not a decision Alluka or Nanika made on the spot, it's part of the ability.
>Is that good story telling?
A lot of people dislike it, so maybe not, but it's the end result of a chain of love. Nanika gives Alluka power as a result of caring for it, letting it live inside him, occasionally take control of his body, and have access to someone else who will love it; Alluka gives that power to Killua because Killua loves him (even supporting his tranny delusions) and will protect him from violent threats; Killua in turn uses that power to save Gon, someone he loves and saved him from his abusive family and nihilism. Gon wasn't just saved by Killua, Alluka and Nanika, Gon was saved by his own good nature which he showed Killua throughout the majority of the series. Mechanically, the entire thing from Adult Gon to Nanika's wish was fairly contrived, but the idea behind the story is beautiful in my opinion. This happens in every battle shounen, though. JJBA is especially notorious for this. The power system is rock solid and then at the end the protagonist wins with an asspull and the defense is "good wins." I'm old and I've just learned to accept it. Maybe it's a Japanese thing.
>he would have died without living his dream. Again is that good story telling?
Yeah because he threw it away, remember?
>we don't have all of the details behind it
We don't know exactly how Ai work, but it's kinda' obvious.
>So the details of how a character has a restriction that can be deactivated at will
He doesn't turn it on and off, Killua is part of the restriction. I doubt the restriction literally names Killua, it's probably "whoever loves me the most" or "whoever genuinely loves me."

>>282422030
So you admit that it's an asspull and bad writing?

I don't give a fuck about asspulls as long as the anime is entertaining

Is it the same OP who makes this exact post like multiple times a year? This site is too dead for it to be multiple people…why is OP so obsessed? He does realize that he’ll get the exact same arguments every time he posts this, right?

>>282422235
Actually I'm getting different arguments than the ones I've had. Isn't that telling? People will pull out anything from their ass to defend the shitty writing in this series.

>>282422283
Oh, so you are an obsessed OP. Carry on.

>>282421435
Because Nen users have Nen abilities and Togashi cares about making his world feel realistic (because he's kind of a postmodernist). It would be weirder if they died after showing nothing - which does happen, but some characters are more important than others. Personally, one of my complaints for Hunter x Hunter is that the same side characters keep showing up over and over again and it makes the world feel small. If Togashi heeded my advice, characters would show off even fewer abilities. I bet that'd piss you off.

>>282421842
>It's not my job to prove anything either way. The series didn't show anything
It didn't have to because it doesn't matter.
>Being a sociopath and not understanding human emotions doesn't automatically make you a psychopathic murderous monster
He didn't kill that many people.
>It doesn't mean that you can't observe that humans dislike it when you kill people
Animals typically dislike it when you kill their kin, I've found. It doesn't stop hunters from hunting. It doesn't stop me from setting mouse traps. It doesn't stop slaughterhouses. I drive by this pen of cows every day. Well...not EVERY day...of course. It hurts my feelings, but on the other hand, I like beef, so...
>They actively choose to kill people despite that. They are evil
I'm not saying they aren't evil, I'm saying it doesn't make sense for you to think it's strange they didn't stop to think about it.

>>282422090
It is as much of an asspull as Go Beyond, GER and Jotaro being able to stop time, yes.

>>282422322
>It didn't have to because it doesn't matter.
It does, you have to show how nen affects people other than human beings.
>He didn't kill that many people.
And he still chose to do it. He's evil.

>>282420857
Here's how Gon's nen powerup doesn't make sense; we have never seen anyone do anything of the sort. There has been no one that has used converted their life into nen and was changed in anyway. Netero fired a blast of pure nen and was changed, this is an internal thing for Gon, we have nothing to match it against. Why was he able to get all the nen that he would ever have in an instant and have no problem controlling it?

Themes are irrelevant to the enjoyment of a manga, or at least not the primary driver of what makes something good. The people who laud Hunter x Hunter for that are retarded. They like drawn out dialogue, mediocre character design and awful drawn out pacing. Genuinely half the arcs in this manga are mediocre to shit. Power systems are a meme, the part time antagonists are lame (York new), the hecking scarlet eyes that have the power to max out all the powers is retarded, the tranny dragonball is retarded, and the genderbend reincarnation is retarded. Hunter x Hunter is a retarded series for retards.

>>282423090
It was built up to by everyone commenting on how crazy and determined he is. Most people aren't like that. It doesn't help that Pitou let him sit there and stew in it. She could've just cut his head off but I think she actually felt bad for him. It doesn't make sense for a Royal Guard to not just kill him the moment you find out Komugi is safe, but I think she liked Kite in her own way as well and felt bad for killing him without a second thought, since it meant they could never fight again, and this caused her to stall. Maybe she thought she might find similar enjoyment in fighting Gon (she didn't).

>>282423392
It's the best.

>>282418498
The Chimera Ant arc is special because it explores a lot of themes, not just the ones you listed. One of the themes is Evolution. At the beginning of the arc, you're exposed to a new species with an entirely unfamiliar method of reproduction. We see how unstable (in the sense of allowing exponential runaways) the genetics of this species is when it encounters an environment (NGL) which is the perfect prey for it. The Chimera ants have also evolved their own hierarchy with a King at the top and all Chimera ants are genetically/biologically compelled to follow this hierarchy - you see this, for example, when the royal guards immediately abandon the queen when the king is born; or when the king proclaims that it is his destiny to rule over the planet because of the evolutionary trajectory of his species necessitates it; or when Pouf becomes distraught that Meruem shows signs of deviating from this ideal.

This brings us to another entirely different sort of evolutionary history - the evolution of humans, where the cultural, social and memetic aspects of human societies almost completely overshadow the biological aspects. In particular, the method through which humans thrive and dominate their niches is not directly through biology but culture, civilizations and technology. The inability of the chimera ants to recognize the power of this superstructure of cultural evolution ultimately results in their defeat, as Netero remarks in his final words.

The battle between these opposing evolutionary strategies of humans and chimera ants is also tied to the evolution of the individuals. All the main characters are forced to undergo drastic changes. Gon's breakdown after the failure of his moral intuitions, Killua dealing with his feelings for Gon and his lack of self-confidence, and the King's identity crisis. You could write essays on all these things and much more, but that's for another day.

>>282423929
Yes, but the story makes no sense as I've listed out here.

>>282424219
It only makes no sense if you are retarded. OP, you’re failed to understand a childrens manga. You are retarded. I genuinely feel bad for you.

>>282419941
>I figured it'd be self-explanatory.
So self-explanatory that you still can't answer what the theme of the chimera ant arc actually is.

>>282424249
Explain what I'm wrong about then.

>>282424249
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>No response
Lol

>>282418565
I can agree with this. In terms of succeeding at what they were going for, I think Yorknew and GI are better arcs. Chimera ant has bigger ambitions, but I don't think it lands it as well. But it's still an amazing top tier arc, with some of the highest highs in the series.

>>282418976
>Wing, a teacher of nen and its techniques, explains that forcibly opening nen can be dangerous and if you have even the slightest bit of ill intent you can kill someone doing it.
Nah, he meant that in the same way that you can easily kill someone while doing heart surgery on them if you wanted to harm them. It's not some "you gotta have a pure heart" bullshit.
The part you should have jumped at is that you may also kill someone by forcing nen if you're INEXPERIENCED, which the ants certainly were.