>"Victim of circumstance? No, he was just born evil"Why does something so stupid work so well?
Because Dio had years to live a good life with the Joestars but still chose to be a piece of shit.
>>282420962it's not stupid. Humans are born with a thousand horrible instincts and urges. Some are born with worse than that. Some are born with less. Socialization is the process of teaching humans to not indulge on every little ugly urge they feel. People have been shit to each other for no reason, purely because they feel like it. Dio is that person. He justifies all his actions in his own mind as "I'm just taking swings at an unfair world," but what he's actually doing is murdering his adoptive father, the only man who loved him like real family, then getting blown the fuck out by his step brother over and over and seething uncontrollably because of it.
>>282420962Define "work"
>>282420962Because Speedwagon makes everything sound kino.
>>282420962Plenty of people in real life are just born evil too.
>MY PROOF? HE'S GOT 3 MOLES ON HIS EARI fucking kneel
Yes
JoJo is just like that It's stupid but it works well
He had a ton of smarts and a good living condition and he still decided to try and kill his foster family and become a vampire
>>282421031Exactly. Dio was graciously handed near everything he had never had the fortune to have before in his miserable life, George welcomed him kindly and did all he could to treat him well, while Jonathan was willing to look past significant abuse, but Dio wasn't grateful. To him, this was just an opportunity, Jonathan and George were nothing but marks to Dio.>>282421059I do wonder what relation Dio had to his mother though, given his remark about his father's abuse of her, she must still have been dear to him.>>282424149>>282424286But most importantly, this.
>>282424536George Joestar deserves more credit. He was very harsh on poor Jonathan but he was noble and the root of all the Jojos' spirit
Even though they never fought I always thought Speedwagon and Dio were good foils to one another. Speedwagon was dealt a similarly shitty hand in life but he chose to turn himself around and help Johnathan for showing compassion to him and his goons, unlike Dio who was a prick to Jojo from day one. And while he never had kids old Robert still left a positive legacy behind in the form of his company which would aid future heroes, whereas Dio only sowed the seeds of more evil (literally and figuratively).
>>282424918Yep.
>>282424918The line has been slowly becoming less noble with each passing generation.
>>282425328There's still a noble soul deep inside of every Jojo. The gentleman spirit definitely was lost with Jonathan though.
>>282425440Joseph being a contrast to Jonathan (jokester, kind of a thug, but just as noble) was greatJotaro was a mountain so I can see him as a worthy successor too in his way
>>282425328I blame Holy.
>>282425549You mean Holly?
Someone who loves their mama can't be evil
>>282426678He doesn't even love his mother, he's just surprised and disgusted at his father.
>>282421059Even if Dio was socialized, I don't think he'd have turned out good. Some people are just born under a bad star.>>282425328As the distance from George increases. It's Holly's fault, Jotaro was the biggest break I'd say.
>>282420962Because it's not stupid. Some people are just born evil. There is no reason for them to be evil. People who had great parents and great childhoods. In theory these people should not be evil, yet still are.
>>282426678Dio recognises that his father sent his mother to the grave, that doesn't mean he loved her. It's just one more thing to blame.
>>282420962it's not literally "born" evil, but by the point of him getting adopted he was simply too far gone due to this biological father >>282426678quite often in reallife cases, even abuse you received as a toddler will have consequences for the rest of your life.
>>282427371Some people are born as straight-up murderous psychopaths. It's rare, more often it tends to be milder or just a genetic predisposition and brought on by an abused childhood, but the occasional instance of pure psychopathy right from birth does happen.
>>282427411true, but the fact he cared for his mother showed he was not a true psychopath. The other anon headcanoned that he was just lying to himself to find more reasons to hate his dad, but that makes no sense with his reaction. Heck, the fact that he is SO emotional already shows that he isn't a complete psychopath, just an asshole
Victims often become abusers, sadly
>>282427286>As the distance from George increasesJosuke and Giorno are easily more noble than Jotaro, and Jolyne had Jotaro as a father and a broken home which explains her behavior. And even then she's reasonable most of the time
>>282427862>Josuke and Giorno are easily more noble than JotaroNo?
>>282427862Giorno is literally a member of the mafia, and became the leader at the end
>>282420962natural born psychopath do exist thoughwhy is it so hard to understand
>>282428148Because we've spent decades preaching gray morality and acknowledging issues that may arise from nurture. We will now over correct in the other direction because people are retarded.
>>282427862Josuke? Yeah, but not Giorno. GioGio doesn't spare or feels bad about his opponents like Jotaro.
>>282420962Dio went out of his way to be a dick. Jonathan and George were exceptionally kind to him and he still turned out to be a POS. Dio and his father deserved each other
>>282427862Giorno? Mister "scam retarded tourists at the airport" Giorno? "Steal all the cars in the parking lot so the bad guy of the week won't be able to track which car we're in" Giorno?
>>282424498This
>>282427862You Giornofags are so fucking pathetic.
>>282420962He was an evil piece of shit from the beginning.
>>282420962>so stupidIt's not, though. Not every evil person has a REASON to be evil. There are many people, fictional and non who are products of their environment. At the same time, there are many people in life who could have everything handed to them and they'd still be a conniving, amoral scumbag. Dio is one such person.Dario's rearing definitely didn't help, but even if Dio had the life the Joestars gave him form the outset, even if he had a modest upbringing, he'd still be evil. If there were any good in him, he'd have changed course when better circumstances presented themselves. He isn't capable of that because he lacks goodness on a fundamental level.
>>282425328It happens when the you grow up without even knowing your deceased father…for 2 gens straight.By the time of part 2, the current joestar was that lovable prick called Joseph
>>282420962Speedwagon was very based before he was turned into the guy who comments on everything that happens.
No one is born evil, you stupid fucks.
>>282432489Economic circumstances made dio poison the guy who treated him like his own blood
>>282432489My experience as a Doffy fag taught me it's useless to argue with people who believe "born evil" people exist or are canon.
>>282432631What about mentally ill people that are gravitated toward actions considered evil by everyone else?
>>282432489then explain how somebody who never experienced any adversity in their entire life can turn out just as evil as someone that has been beaten down by the world their entire life
>>282432489imagine being a blank slate retard lol.
>>282432660They're still doing what they being is good for them.
>>282432884Would you consent to being a victim of their goodness though?
>>282432943No I'm not suicidal.
>>282433027If their action is only good for themselves while causing harm for everyone else and isn't even necessary for their own survival then they can pretty much be considered evil.
>>282433113Sure, if that's what you think. You did not demonstrate they were "born evil" though. Evil is just a meaningless christian buzzword for children, and people who can't think in nuances anyways.
>>282432815Have you ever looked at the mirror?
I mean your dad abusing your mom to death and then spending every day of the rest of his life yelling at you and hitting you are pretty valid reasons to be a little fucked up.
Dio's early childhood was extremely bad
>>282433566Netanhyahu bot please
>>282432489To be evil requires a choice, to be born evil removes that choice.You can't be born evil.
>>282433654>to be evil requires a choiceI deny the very basis of your assumption. Some people are born with limited choices, or worse, none whatsoever.
>>282433676Are you talking about blackmail and the like?On limited choice
>>282427862I'd see your point with Josuke because he's really a good lad, hotheaded but very kind and pure of heart (purer than my boy Joseph). Giorno, however, is a plain lowlife criminal, he's not even some Robin Hood kind of figure, he's really only more virtuous and pure than the far more wicked scum around him.In terms of goodness and purity of heart, nobility, mercy, and kindness, I'd personally rank them in descending order:>George Joestar>Jonathan Joestar>Josuke Higashikata>Jotaro Kujo>Joseph Joestar>Giorno GiovannaGiorno is definitely not a vicious villain like Dio, but he's still a selfish bandit who cheats and steals for a living, Bruno Bucciarati is the hero of the story in more ways than one, at least to me.I've still not finished reading or watching Part 5, so that's my current limited frame of reference
>>282433328The notion of evil predates Christianity and other Abrahamic religions, I can assure you. People had ideas and concepts about good and evil even 10000 years ago, there are angles and interpretations of good and evil refracted through the prism that is each individual culture and how they interact with each other, but empathy is an inherent trait of our species, and we've been the same species for 250000 years.
>>282425469Giorno was the most noble though
>>282428446>>282428516Giorno handles his business in the most noble way possible.
>>282434004State your reasoning.
>>282433328Demonstrate what exactly? My point is that there are people being born with an inclination toward causing harm to other. In some case these inclinations are so strong that they can not help but follow them, hence "born evil". There are cases of children going on murder spree for no apparent reason at all. Also the concept of good and evil have exist for much longer than Christianity and in pretty much all societies including those with no relation to Abarahamic religions.
>>282433773Because otherwise, I'd have to assume that you'd be talking about urges and circumstance.Just because you are born poor, does not mean that you'd have to steal.Just because you'd feel like it does not mean that you'd have to murder.There is always a choice, evil people choose evil over good, simple as that.Being born evil removes this, making you closer to an animal in actions over a human.No-one is seriously that dumb.
>>282434322I talked too much,while also using improper structure.fuck my life
>>282427862Josuke turns people into monster rocks for revenge.
>>282433919Bruno is so good..
>>282434322The choices you can make is limited to what you know and how you feel. There is not much of a choice if you can hear the voice inside your head telling you killing people is a good idea 24/7 and you feel like it's revelation from god, or if you see other as unfeeling robots that you can break on a whim to feel happy just like openning a box of candy. You only see death abd blood as scary and apprehensive because you are either taught so or your instincts tell you to avoid them.
>>282433919How do you figure Joseph is so low? All he does is crack some jokes, lie to his enemies (who are trying to destroy humanity), cheat on his wife, and kidnap a Japanese baby.
>>282434695I don't think of Joseph as a lowlife, really, he's in fact a very good and noble man, he just ranks lower comparative to his ancestors and bastard son. The infidelity is pretty much the biggest reason why, to me.
>>282434380He turned a perverse and vicious serial rapist and serial killer into a rock. Shit, it's still more merciful than Kars's fate (though that was more a matter of happenstance).
>>282426678Dario sending his wife to the grave is pretty vague considering it's coming from Dio it could really mean anything.Dio was poisoning Dario as he later did George. It's not out of the question he had poisoned his mother as well, and simply blamed his actions on his father.
>>282424536>I do wonder what relation Dio had to his mother though, given his remark about his father's abuse of her, she must still have been dear to him.Araki wrote a novel about Dio writing biography about his early life after being stuck inside a casket for a 100 years. Basically no, he didint hate his mother per-say. He just hated how weak she was and that she would never stand up to his dad and letting others walk over her. She is also the one that made him wanting to find "heaven" because of how religious she was.
>>282427862>JosukeHe tried to scam Rohan first chance he got.Jotaro will mess you up worse but only when you deserve it. I don't think he ever tried to abuse anyone just for the hell of it.
>>282435422Araki just did the illustrations for that novel; it was written by a different guy, just like Jorge Joestar and PHF.
>>282435687Jotaro is more of a delinquent but he doesn't fool around. Josuke is more chill but also more akin to pulling shit
>>282432489>No one is born evil, you stupid fucks.
>>282436813didint know that. thanks for telling me.
>>282421031>chose to be a piece of shit.On whose morals? Yours?
>>282433486A 'little' fucked up sure.Not poisoning a guy who adopted you and treated you like a son, tormenting a guy who only wanted to be nice to you, and burning his dog to death.
>>282434004Giorno started off stealing luggage at an airport. He stopped doing it after becoming mob boss but it's not like he ever apologized for doing this.>but he didn't peddle drugs
>>282439972Get off the fucking computer, Dio.
>>282440347In fairness, he did say he planned to return Koichi's passport eventually.
>>282426551You mean Whory?
>>282420962Speedwagon rules The Joestars rulesDio is garbageAraki is a hack
>>282434004Nah, that's Jonathan by far. Josuke is by far the most noble after Jonathan.
>>282420962It's realistic. People have been brainwashed by decades of artists pushing environmentalist propaganda and it isn't real. Most of what defines someone is in their genes.It's funny because he says it so matter-of-factly after tricking the audience into thinking Dio is about to be made sympathetic. And we know Dio really is just a piece of shit, so seeing Speedwagon save us from some time wasting tearjerker bullshit is relieving and we readily accept it.
