Why is Amerca so behind in the manga translation scene? Europe has more official stuff and better fan scanlations while we are stuck with MTLfags and lazy hoarders begging for donations.
>>282457105Isn't that France?They are honorifics japanese.They don't count as Europeans
Duh. Burgers are fucking stupid.
>>282457105>Selling manga that's already yellowYikes
>>282457190Germany and Italy are fairly big as well.
Anime in general is bigger nearly every where but America.
>better fan scanlations What actually gets fan translated into French? The big advantage of the European manga scene is that people buy things to read. With €5 per volume you don't risk much when buying blind. Meanwhile American volumes cost $20 and people only buy what they've already pirated.For some reason American publishers are also incredibly slow so you an English volume release can take a whole year longer than the French version.
>>282457560Yeah, it makes more sense to buy when an officially translated tank costs about the same as it does in Japan (about 700 yen). We get ripped off in burgerland.
>>282457105English manga is so expensive new it's at the least 15€ per tankobon volume. Finnish manga is like 5€ per volume but I hate reading manga in Finnish. It's part some terms that get translated and sound really bad part internalizing someone actually talking like that. I've heard the same about English dubs from native English speakers.
>>282459255What about reading in Swedish? Don't they also teach German or French in Finnish schools?Or directly learning Japanese because you're not some monolingual American.
>>282457105I bet those stickers don't come off
>>282459574Swedish is just as hilarious. It's a better target for machine translating from japanese or chinese. Comics are a gamble, it's easy to destroy the tone. English is safe by not having any tones.
>>282457560>What actually gets fan translated into French?You'd be surprised, check japscans or sushiscan>US manga are 15-20 dollarsDamn lmao
>>282457105Why does French manga have English titles?
>>282457105Americans are mostly illiterate(and no I don't just mean the brown ones) and have low IQ attention spawns, they would rather take a picture of the books than ever read them. A book is an antithesis to what an American is.
>>282457105Out of curiosity: any european anons here and what series are more popular over there? I'm aware that Captain Tsubasa and Saint Seiya are big in south america but not big in the anglosphere, so I'm keen to know if there are comparable examples
>>282457105they cant read look how much dubfags exist here on this board
>>282457427>Germanyonly into yurishit and yaoishit>Italyreally big on old and vintage boomershit
>>282460641most if the time its the mangaka or their publisher being autistic and also becuase a potentialy anime will always get an anglo title so as to make not hard for watchers to find the manga
I saw the Viz Media edition of JoJo and I can't believe how bad it is, it's much better quality in my third world country
does murica even have real translators anymoreI thought they got replaced by ai
>>282461476Explain Sky-High Survival. The anime was called High-Rise Invasion.
>>282457105>So behind >Get things almost the same time as JapanYou do realize we use to have to wait years for some manga right?
>>282461527thats a netflix marketing being dumb
>>282461565>Get things almost the same time as JapanSeries outside of Jump exist.Even with Jump you'll have to wait years if you want the volumes.
>>282457427And Spain has the biggest anime/manga convention in Europe.
Imagine living in Dutchland.>no manga culture whatsoever>not a single anime on TV in the last 50 years except for toddler stuff and European co-productions>even entry level anime and manga is completely unknown, let alone popular
>>282461616Manga Barcelona isn't in Spain.
>>282461565>we use to have to wait yearsstil the same with how ling you waited for Ashita no Joe, Kingdom, Billy Bat, Baki ...
>>282461616lol no thats either Luca Comics or Japan Expo which are both even bigger than USA troon cons
>>282461610>Even with Jump you'll have to wait years if you want the volumes.i really cant understand this, they get sumilpub scans but have to wait years to get the volumes printed, are they too afraid that they are losing money in stores or are they trying to make people stick to digital
>>282457105I think it's more weird that America rarely gets European comics at all and we don't even get British stuff lot of the time, the stuff is already in English.
>>282457560>What actually gets fan translated into French?not much really. My theory is that since there's a lot of official release and the quality wasn't VIZ-tier, there wasn't really a need for scanlations to develop. The only thing that do get scanlated are big shonen manga.> With €5 per volumethat was maybe true 10 years ago, but nowadays you'd have a hard time finding a manga that cost less than 8€. The one on the OP are meant to be small price to discover "classics">>282460582japscan has become unusable since 2-3 years. You can't click anywhere without a dozens pop-up appearing on screen. They also hunted down plugins that allowed you to download their catalogs so much that there's no usable one now. Sushi-scan is pretty good but they both have a similar catalog, which is 99% official release>>282460641before the anime, kny was published as "Les rôdeurs de la nuit", but after the anime exploded in popularity it got renamed as demon slayer since that was the name everyone knew. It's more of a question of popularity. Big shonen manga have the english name, but a lot of title have a french title.
>>282461643where is it then in Moroco?
>>282461796>nowadays you'd have a hard time finding a manga that cost less than 8€most shonen are cheaper and they are the most published type of manga
>>282459255Another Finn here. It feels like manga's main audience here is seen as girls and women? On some rare occasions there are interesting manga translated in Finnish that aren't popular shounen stuff or related to Ginga (the dog manga franchise).>>282459574I know only the barebones of Swedish (obligatory lessons) and German (optional lessons) little bit better, but I wouldn't be confident enough to buy manga in those languages from respective countries and pay for importing them up here. I'm better off reading manga in Japanese, which I'm currently studying
>>282461958that's still much closer to 8 bucks than 5 bucks
>>28245710590% naruto in 2025, wow so much choice!
>>282459061>USThis is exactly why so many Americans pirate. Why bother going to the store to pick up a manga or two when you know you wouldn't like it. Additionally they've raised in price a bit to around $12 for a normal volume but 10 years ago that price was still $9.99. so in a way today they are still slightly cheaper for purchasing power then 10 years ago when I was buying volumes for $10. I think I pick up a lot more Japanese manga simply because I can purchase an entire volume for $3 and if I want a print version it's only a $5. Most of these are only being printed with printing from China anyways so they already pay less to produce and import the product here.
>>282462019digital is so cheap but i refuse to buy 1 manga even if there is no paperback ever
>>282457105>classique manga>Naruto, Conan, Blackbutler>no fucking DB, Saint Seiya or City Hunter
>>282462107It's France, you just know they have a stand dedicated to City Hunter just out of frame.
>>282457407> not wanting chink comics with yellow representationstop being racist
>>282462127is there 1 for One Piece since its their best seller?
>>282457105>we are stuck with MTLfags and lazy hoarders begging for donationsTo be fair, the MTLfags begging for donations are 3rd world ESLs because in American tradition we outsourced everything that isn't sold to us at exorbitant ripoff prices.
>>282462195>To be fair, the MTLfags begging for donations are 3rd world ESLsbased fuck american corpos
>>282461887Catalunya
>>282462443the only white mediterranean part
Part of it like anons pointed out is the economic aspect, the other main issue is the legal bureaucracy that exists only in America, want to officially license a work? Like a week everywhere in the world, best case scenario a few months in the US, maybe half a year.
>>282462072>Most of these are only being printed with printing from China anyways so they already pay less to produce and import the product here.I've never seen a manga printed in China. They all state "Printed in Japan" or are silent on the topic.
It really is just France that gets everything. I'm so jealous because I've been waiting for a physical english release of Takemitsuzamurai for years now and they've had it for over a decade at this point.
>>282457105They buy less manga.That's literally it.This is a capitalist system. The industry grows to meet the market demand. It has done that.
>>282462612And they can only license volumes that are already release elsewhere?It's hard to understand why series that are translated the day they're released in Japan can't have volumes released within months of the Japanese volume release.
>>282457105Burgers are afraid of anything foreign. Meanwhile in Europe we've been getting anime since Mazinger Z, Heidi, Captain Harlock... We got the full anime boom of the 90s and we even made a lot of productions with Japan in the 80s. All that is due to both anime being cheap and using it to pad TV screen time and because it was easier to dub foreign shows than to produce more animated content for the kids.
>>282457190they are honorary niggers
>>282461643Buenos días Juan
>>282462072Manga is being raised in price to match overpriced american marvel/DC comic anthologies. Do you think those two big comic companies would stay silent if you released an entire tank for $5 when they sell a single chapter of batman for $5?France had it's own comics and never sold them by chapter so it never had the greedy homeland comics demanding their japanese ones pricematch.
>>282462699It's what VIZ does, but VIZ is literally a Shueshia company, so they can get ahead of the whole process, everyone else has to wait for whenever the japanese publishers are willing to respond to their requests and if they are willing to do so at the time.
>>282457105Fuck all that I just wanna know how they made it 3 cents?? That's crazy cheap. Is that like a discount rack or something?
>>282462847e.g. Spy Family 15. Japan 2025/3/4 USA 2025/12/2France 2025/10/9
>>282457105I am starting to think that burgerland simply lost people who would make something for free. That's always a not native speaker behind the scanlation, an american world rather start mtl publisher
>>282462935do you have the Kagurabashi date, i heard in the wsj thread that the french release came later than Viz but is alreadi ahead now
>>282463006>That's always a not native speaker behind the scanlationbecause they are poor and pirate everything
>>282461616Manga Barcelona is pretty good, but in terms of size smaller than Dokomi let alone Japan Expo.
>>282463641>Manga Barcelona is pretty goodWasnt this year that they got a good bunch of guests like Urasawa and Paru
>>282463703>Wasnt this year that they got a good bunch of guests like Urasawa and ParuIts in December, but no idea about this year. I don't pay that much attention to guests and more stuff like locally organised events, when I go to conventions.
>>282462733America co-produced more anime than any other country and hell Astro Boy only got extra episodes because ABC help produce it, you just the most important anime in history. Your narrative doesn't make a lick of sense once you do the smallest bit of research.
>>282457105The modern version of Tokyopop isn't as big anymore and just mainly does yaoi and yuri.
>>282464216>America co-produced more animeget the fuck out faggot Netflix cartoons are not anime
>>282457105because all their publishing company are japanese, korean, french and italian.
>>282462661>I've never seen a manga printed in ChinaJapan prints their own comics the US does not
>>282464269Tokyopop died ages ago, part because the owner gambled on a TV show. And a big part because the economy keeled over, one of the brick and mortar chains closed and they had boatloads of unsold inventory. Tokyopop kept dumping mangoes on the retailers, they tried slashing titles and print counts but eventually magic bank numbers said they had to shut down. The german division chugged on until they restarted the american one.
>>282464416I don't have very many English language ones but I'll show you where the ones that I do have are printed
>>282464486>Canindia
>>282464354Even before that anon.
>>282457105because the french buy manga
>>282464486I didn't realize most of the books that I have were the first printing but it seems the shonen jump first printings were done in the US at least. Most of these are around 2010 printing.Prices on the back were indicative of 15 years agoThe Gundam the origin special edition #1 that I actually returned for shitty print errors was printed in China.
>>282457105Because you're European and hate Americans, so you do weird projecting on an American anime board.
>>282464486Different publishers use different printers, some even use recycled paper.
>>282457105How much is the wrapping paper that they're suggesting shonenslop as an alternative?
>>282464584but that was DIC and it was a french company
>>282464724ADV produced anime, Cartoon Network, 4Kids produced extra seasons, there's anime based on American things like DC and Marvel or vidya games, FUNi produced some shit. Also DiC might be French but most out was for the US market same for Manga entertainment produced to some stuff even though they're UK.
>>282464631>American anime board.go back to r*dditroon
>>282463324Japanese; USA; France; Italy1: 2024年2月2日; November 5, 2024; 14 février 2025; 11 marzo 20252: 2024年5月2日; February 4, 2025; 18 avril 2025; 15 aprile 20253: 2024年7月4日; May 6, 2025; 4 juillet 2025; 13 maggio 20254: 2024年10月4日; August 5, 2025; 29 août 2025; 15 luglio 20255: 2024年12月4日; November 4, 2025; 1er octobre 2025; 28 ottobre 20256: 2025年3月4日; February 3, 2026; 5 décembre 2025So the first 4 volumes were released in America before France but they speed up and are now months ahead. Meanwhile VIZ is falling more and more behind the Japanese dates. Italy had a late start but managed to precede the French on volume 3 and 4.
>>282465330as always frogs win but a shame its for this garbage
>>282465330>Meanwhile VIZ is falling more and more behind the Japanese datesjust take a look at the circana manga sale number to see why some manga take more and more time to come out, the response is easy...they are huge flops
>>282466436They're falling behind on Chainsaw Man as well and that's their biggest ongoing title in Circana.
>>282465781The real deal are series where the French release came before the Japanese and they had to license it from them.
>>282466603so if this one gets an anime offer the french publisher is the only one who can give it the ok?
>>282457105Germany's are pretty hit and miss. I actually have most of mine in English because for whatever reason, they decide to have every other character talk as if they have a stick up their ass.Works well with GS though because he's an autist anyway.
>>282466551CSM part2 is a flop everywhere and the anime 1st season didnt help it, lets see if Reze's movie can save it or not
>>282459255>Finnish manga is like 5€ per volumeIt's not the early 00's anymore, new stuff is 9€.
>>282467561still cheaper than english manga
>>282457190they're cuckolds, so that checks out
>>282466722In most cases the publishers are the ones pushing for an adaption. The author is the person that has to agree.It's possible they'd get Ki-oon on board with the production committee.
>>282465330lol and people still think that France lost their 2nd place to USA for the manga market
>>282468272Dude we get genderbend BDSM hentai, we're not the same.
>>282461627What do they do?
>>282468882>not futathat's gay mate
>>282469501smoking weed and cheese
>>282463703>>282463817Urasawa and Paru were the guests for last year, this year they got Watanabe, plus Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts (among others)
>>282471908>from 9/10 to -50/10lol di they use all budget last year that they have to rely on trash woke guest
>>282457105the only good one on this pic is Conan
>>282457427>GermanyAnyone in his right mind imports either from the US or Japan.Official German releases (at least back when I still looked into them every now and then) are trash.Wouldn't be surprised, if they had ended up "gendering" these days, so I won't touch those excrements even with a 10 feet pole.
>>282466818German might sound weird because it's easier to express Japanese honorifics in German than they are in English. Unless you use weird archaic language or differ the tone/accent/dialect then you can't express that, but then it limits what you can convey when the Japanese already differs between those aspects itself. English only has two levels of honorifics, normal ("you") and "archaic polite" ("thee"), the latter of which is very outdated and uses pronouns that are never used in modern conversations outside of literature discussions or plays/operas. German on the other hand has three levels of honorifics, a casual one ("du"), a respectful one ("Sie") and an archaic one ("Ihr"). The former two are still in use, the last one isn't (again, with the exception of literature/plays/etc.), but the pronouns themselves are still used in different contexts so it feels more natural to adapt to it if used to translate the honorific "-sama" from Japanese, for example.So either: 1. The honorifics of the German translations you read were chosen poorly by the translators which makes them sounds weird, or... 2. You've gotten used to English translation too much that seeing honorifics actually being conveyed by a translation gives you the illusion of "wrongness" for it.
