Why do authors fuck up romance so often?
>saying that while posting a "i like him because he was nice to me" series
>>282477467>People can care and fall in love with you when you treat them with respect and take genuine interest in them and their life? What the FUCK!?
>>282477548MC can only be black or a woman or I’m going to have a tantrum
>>282476517It's harder to write something when you haven't experienced it
>>282477467missed the point completely dawgthey had shit in common, and yes, being an actually decent person does get women interested in you
>>282478266Yui Shiromaru was cute af too
>>282478266It’s not even just having things in common. It’s actually understanding what the other person is going through and doing the right shit accordingly. Anyone can give some surface level platitudes about “oh I’m sorry about your loss or I hope you feel better”, it’s another thing to open a radio small show to help another person go to sleep. It’s another thing to go out of your comfort zone and help see a trip through and get in trouble with somebody’s parents but you do it because you know how important the trip is to them. Isaki doesn’t like Ganta just because he’s “nice” to her. For her, he represents a new stability in her life and an open ear that understands how she feels because he’s going through something similar and he helps take care of her on top of all that. For him, she represents a new outlook/perspective for his view of life who also helps raise his energy just by being herself.
>>282478615did you just finish watching the anime or something?
>>282478615And spending a ton of time together, of course
>>282478672I rewatched it last season.>>282478698That too, proximity really helps, especially if two people are growing close and treat other well.
>>282477548Weirdly enough... it only works with good looking people.
>>282476517"Romance" doesn't equal validation.
>>282478743Mm I gotta do a rewatchI planned on buying all the manga but holy fuck it's $20/volume up here in Canadaand there's 14 volumes.. over $200 for all the volumes
>>282478801>$20/volume up here in CanadaThat sucks. If you really want to, just buy volumes 7 and onwards. Anime covers volumes 1-6 and you can wait until it gets cheaper hopefully. You can just read V1-6 online because the art and spreads alone make the story pop out like crazy.I went crazy and bought every JP volume to support the author after the anime.
>>282478774Normal-looking people works fine too.
>>282476517>Why do people who never experienced romance fuck up romance so often?
>>282480399>Normal-looking people works fine tooYou're operating on old info, normal-looking is even worse than ugly since they're just boring, at least ugly guys get pity fucks by women farming clout.
>>282476517I don't know, and any anon who claims to know is ignorant or lying. It is truly and honestly a mystery. You can take a perfectly sane, talented author, and as soon as you add romance into the mix, he turns into a complete retard.>male lead becomes a beta self-insert, despite the fact that the author would never write such a character in an action/adventure series>endless blue balls and will they/won't they>dating the wrong person arcs>love triangles and NTRbait>ambiguous non-ending>time skip separation endings>ending write after the confession>forced bittersweet endingsI don't get it. I truly and honestly don't understand why it's so difficult just to write a satisfying romance. Literally all you have to do is make a list of things that would make you happy in a romance and then write them into a story. Literally just brainstorm for 30 seconds:-boy meets girl-boy saves girl-boy and girl go on an adventure together-boy and girl have fun banter and work together-boy and girl fall in love-boy and girl overcome obstacles and great odds to be togetherHow is that difficult? I don't get it.
>>282480509>why it's so difficult just to write a satisfying romanceProbably because their audience would Kyoani them for even thinking about it. A lot of otaku are fucking miserable and can't stand the sight of even a fictional character WHO'S EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR SELF INSERT being happy. It's like the meme where a guy's high school friends will murder them if they get a girlfriend and they don't.
>>282480509well for one thing the biggest and most common problem is many authors see "romance" as the goal or end when it's not really suitable, which is why it's usually done better as a secondary goal. Romance is not a trophy or competition with a start and stop; it has phases, ups and downs that aren't strictly for melodrama, adjustments, etc. It takes quite a bit of skill to write in a way that's both believable and entertaining which is why you see so many lazy drama crutches instead of real development
>>282476517It adds women's feelings as the focus of the story, and nothing fucks things up more than women's feelings.
>>282480779I've loved fictional romance since I was in elementary school, possibly even kindergarten. I can't even get into most stories unless there's a romance. I frankly can't empathize with any boy who says he doesn't care about romance or that it's a girl thing. You might as well be speaking German.
>>282480509>You can take a perfectly sane, talented author, and as soon as you add romance into the mix, he turns into a complete retardThe question to ask now is what is it about romance that makes them do that? >>282480692Romance writing can be quite tough which is why so few authors can really find that sweet spot like Makoto Ojiro. However, I don’t think it should be that hard to make a list of shit you shouldn’t do when writing your romance and keeping track of that.
>>282480575I don't even watch shows with self insert MCs, I get bored
>>282476517Because the female species should not be catered too.
>>282480509I can deal with the will they won't they, love triangles, dating the wrong person, separation etc AS LONG AS there's payoff at the end and unbelievably there often never is. they just teased you with the romance the whole run to keep you invested and then when the ending comes along they either don't care, don't know what to do with it, or they think it's somehow "more artistic" and will give them writer street cred to give you some ambiguous inconclusive bullshit. BITCH if you were worried about being artistic you shouldn't have done the will they won't they thing, one of the lowest hanging fruit in fiction, in the first place. so since you took us all on that ride for years you should at least have the shame to give your audience the payoff you've been blueballing them with.
>>282480509I'd much rather take a love triangle over the sappy shit you listed. And when authors write the overly sweet no stakes shit like you described, it ends up not having>boy and girl have fun banter and work togetherin 99.9% cases, though it's the only redeeming quality pf your list.
>>282483109Kill yourself dramatard.
>>282483109no stakes would be a good opposite end of the spectrum that's also not good. I feel like Kaoru Hana has this problem. the best romances imo are ones where they have to overcome a great obstacle to be together and then it plainly shows them end up together without any bullshit.
>>282483239If Ojiro was a worse writer, Insomnia or Fujiyama wouldn't be too much different from Kaoru Hana, because the recipe is essentially the same. But Kaoru Hana had an absolutely terrible writer who can't write believable human interactions for life, that's why you're able to distinguish between them at least. Like I said, the only redeeming quality of that list is having fun banter (= having interesting interactions between characters), and at least Ojiro is able to have that more or less.>the best romances imo are ones where they have to overcome a great obstacle to be together and then it plainly shows them end up together without any bullshit.The great obstacle usually feels very artificial. Just like magical illness is a terrible source of drama, the great obstacle is a bad foundation for romance - external circumstances that characters can't influence, they just exist as a rule. Although if the great obstacle is about main characters initial relationship then I don't mind. All I want is no external circumstances bullshit, that the conflict exists only because of their personalities and roles and is solved by their decisions.
>>282483239>I feel like Kaoru Hana has this problemIt’s not a no stakes situation with that one. It’s more like the author has no sense of balance and tries to have her characters act as saccharine as possible. The mangaka had her characters acting so absolutely autistic, you’d think they were robots from the way they spammed apologies as easily as they breathed.
