How would you feel if anime started to feature characters who look more, well, Asian?
i like cats more
>>282486828I see you, fellow /ic/fag.
Whoever says CSM had a bad adaptation should remember - it could’ve been much worse.
>>282486828as long as it's 2d, i don't mind. because 2d >>> 3dpd
>>282486828I would rather have watched the 3D version of Aku no Hana.
>>282486828Pretty idol type asians? OkayUgly average asians? God no
>>282486828Disgusting. If I wanted to look at ugly Asians I'd just watch doramas. But I watch anime for the cute artstyle so fuck off with the 3DPD
>>282486976girl at the top looks like yasuda kei
>>282486828>real life versions look better than the "anime"Tracing is garbage.
>>282486828aku no hana had so much soul, I hate that you fags rejected it...
>>282486828I never watched it, but how does the rotoscope look in motion? they could've made the faces more idealistic.
Asian enough?
>>282487180needs squinty eyes, lose the double eyelid and have more crooked teeth
>How would you feel if anime started to feature characters who look more, well, Asian?There is plenty of good looking people there, it's ok for me.
>>282487215>this stereotypical behaviorWhether they are real schoolgirls or not, they're definitely instagram whores.
>>282486828the problem here is that the real life counterparts look better than the animated onesremoving so much details from a human's face but still trying to go for a realistic look just makes them creepy and uglythe one who came up with this idea is utterly retarded, you can't do this
>>282486924Yeah right doesn't look absolutely horrible at least. Still wouldn't watch old people trying to pass off as middle schoolers.
>>282486828why did they add a monobrow?
>>282487083I will give it that it had a great ost
>>282487352>guy who is legitimately too stupid to get it
>>282486828Why do Asians have a thing about not drawing their noses? Is it insecurity?
>>282487448small noses are cutethere aren't that many mangaka that draw nosesI can think of Naoki Urasawa and Suzuki Nakaba
>>282487448The bigger the nose, the more evil the person is
Junji Ito's style is a nice middle ground. Fairly realistic facial proportions without looking ugly
>>282487516Literary me (drawing manga with anatomically correct proportions actually harder than normal manga because slightest mistake is much more visible and you have to be perfect)
>>282487386whats there to get? whoever was in charge decided on an idea that is fundamentally a bad one
>>282486828This series would've been so much better if it was live-action instead that horrid rotoscope
>>282487745>guy who continues not to get it and relishes his ignorance
>>282487352I agree with this. A different method of stylization would've worked well for Aku no Hana. The expressions and facial proportions aren't even accurate.>>282487898Schizo.
>>282487956>3-0
>>282487956>The expressions and facial proportions aren't even accurate.Yes, Idk the names of these character and I have never watched the show, but for me the most noticeable is for the second guy on the right side. His cheeks and the bags under the eyes in the real life picture are clearly ones of laughter and being in a funny state, is the best way I can describe that. In the anime however his expression is just neutral and weird looking. Overall in all of the faces cheeks, which is a huge part of human's expressions is completely removed.
>>282486828>How would you feelIdk, but the original material being completely different doesn't help this particular case.If you want to try it, try it on something new.
>>282488238you couldn't parody the detractors of this show better than this even if you wanted
never watched this, so I cannot say if it was a good or bad implementation, or even a good or bad story. However I can say I am glad this didn't happen to mieruko chan or any adaptation of manga series I like, and I would probably be displeased if they gave a series I did like (Natsume Arata no Kekkon for example) such a strange adaptation.
>>282488318people must be spot on theni mean, look at the picture
>>282488373>4-0
>>282488407>>282488373damn he lost four nill, suge
>>282488407i wish i knew what that meantthis only reminds me of dbs shitposting
>>282488373True.
>>282486828I wouldn't mind it since Boogiepop, Lain and Paprika already did that and it looked well, your OP picture is just a really bad rotoscope that ruins most of the horror atmosphere since it cycles back to being goofy, I honestly want them to release all of the live-action footage which most likely looks better.
>>282488372It's ok anon, AnH fans survived.
>>282487083This. That's when I lost faith in anime ever becoming a serious art form
>>282488446I agree. Eyes and lips are important for conveying expressions, too. The expressions of everyone in the first 2 images are weakened because of the absence of the lower eyelid folds. This is odd because they exaggerated the nasolabial fold of the messy-haired guy of the 2nd image but didn't draw the eyelid folds which are far more prominent. The absence of lip definition makes it hard to tell that he's puckering, and it makes the girl in the first image look like she has a weird wiggly smile.
>>282488556Yeah man, the further it walks away from traditional animation and the source material the better chances it has being recognized by the masses for how great it is.Maybe Hollywood should take over and just do a straight up live action adaptation with black actors. Yeah then I could tell all my friends how awesome anime and manga is.
>>282488613>non-sequiturProving my point about your lot not being the brightest
>>282488670It's called irony retard.If you don't think anime is a serious art form that's a (you) problem.
>>282488670>not recognizing sarcasm>has the audacity to say someone isn't the brightestpottery
>>282488691>>282488711Irony without a point then? Interesting backtracking strategy...
>>282488723>Irony without a point then?The point is to paint for retarded you appear.
>>282488740for = how
>>282486828The live action counterpart looks better.
>>282486828>girl in real life: normal nose, a bit big.>girl in the anime: no shadows makes it look like she has zero fucking nose like a weird monster>dude on the right: can't see teeth because it's dark>dude on the right in the anime: inside of mouth painted white because no shading>girl in the middle of talking in real life: has a nice looking nose, since she's talking you can see the bottom and top teeth>girl in the middle of talking in the anime: no nose like a horrible monster, fused teeth because NO FUCKING SHADINGYou people are fucking retarded. No, the anime looked bad because it lacked shading. If they put even a little bit of effort shading people wouldn't have been disgusted.
>>282488740By using a non-sequitur? We're going in circles.Since you're not even able to comprehend the point you were making, here it is: deviating from the norm is a slippery slope
>>282488778If you understood what he was saying, why raise a stink about it? You don't look half as clever as you think you do.
>>282488778Your argument and the OP argument are fundamentally different. People are arguing against the OP and you think this means they don't "get it".OP is a racist that says that asians are ugly, and is saying that the anime is accurate to real life asians. People are arguing that no, the anime art doesn't actually look like real life asians.Whatever you're going on about, you're tilting at windmills.
>>282488778You're the only one moving in circles. >Since you're not even able to comprehend the point you were makingI called you retarded as a general insult but now I'm beginning to think you actually are one.>deviating from the normDeviating from the norm is not equal to something having soul or being good or a serious art form (strong implications that it wasn't before). This thread itself doesn't discuss much of how the anime didn't look like the original or the norm. Most of the comments even from people that haven't engaged with it just state how ugly it looks and how it just doesn't work.
>>282488850Because A) I don't agree, B) It doesn't make sense to say that letting one's artistic expression run freely instead of following traditional animation methods will lead to a Hollywood situation, or something similar>>282488851My argument is that the anime is good. I wasn't responding to the OP here. The guy I responded to talked about the soul of the anime adaptation.>>282488852>Deviating from the norm is not equal to something having soul or being good or a serious art formI never said it was, it was in relation to the fact that I think the anime had great direction (and that I personally think it was in parts thanks to its ugliness), and that I personally think that most people rejected it simply because it looks ugly (like most people in the thread)>strong implications that it wasn't beforeNo?? The adaptation having a lot of soul has no implication about the manga lacking one.>This thread itself doesn't discuss much of how the anime didn't look like the original or the norm. Most of the comments even from people that haven't engaged with it just state how ugly it looks and how it just doesn't work.Ahem:>Yeah man, the further it walks away from """traditional animation""" and the """source material"" the better chances it has being recognized by the masses for how great it is.>Maybe Hollywood should take over and just do a straight up live action adaptation with black actors. Yeah then I could tell all my friends how awesome anime and manga is.
>>282487215All of them are idols.
>>282488956The anime did have a great soundtrack and a great direction. People were right to reject it on the basis of it being ugly and strange. It's the kind of ugliness that makes it a parody and completely pulls you out of the material.>>282488956>I never said it wasYou agreed with a post that treated people that rejected it as idiots that just pooped on your party. People had every right to reject it.>No?? The adaptation having a lot of soul has no implication about the manga lacking one.>That's when I lost faith in anime ever becoming a serious art formI never mentioned the manga. What I did mention was traditional animation and how that statement naturally implies you don't consider it a serious art form>Ahem:I have no idea why sarcasm is so foreign to you. Why are you thinking my sentences were AnH focused? The further anime walks away from traditional animation and manga (both are based on drawings) etc etc.God I hate having to explain things to retards. If you said "Hey I liked it" I would just disagree with your tastes and that would be it. But you just had to act all high and mighty about the "plebeians" who dared to reject the anime and how that prevents anime from finally becoming a true art form.
>>282487321>>282488985And?
>>282489107>The anime did have a great soundtrack and a great direction. People were right to reject it on the basis of it being ugly and strange. It's the kind of ugliness that makes it a parody and completely pulls you out of the material.No, when it released most people bitched and moaned about it and refused to watch it. Nobody talked about the direction, or the soundtrack. It was known as 'the ugly anime'. I'm old enough to remember.I think the ugliness is part of the experience. It's a 'strange' adaptation all around that never even got a chance to prove itself before people dismissed it.>I never mentioned the manga. What I did mention was traditional animation and how that statement naturally implies you don't consider it a serious art formI consider anime up until the 2000s to be art, now it's just slop for maximum profit and anything that deviates from the norm gets crucified. Anime movies are still good. Thinking that the artistic merit of anime hasn't gone downhill in the last two decades is being blind to reality. But you do you.>I have no idea why sarcasm is so foreign to youOh my god. I'm talking about horses and you're ironizing over penguins? Is that how it works? Stop bringing sarcasm as a shield. Sarcasm has a point. I even put quotations for you.>Why are you thinking my sentences were AnH focused?Oh okay, you were just talking about something else entirely! And then went on to talk to me about AnH.>The further anime walks away from traditional animation and manga (both are based on drawings) etc etc.And here is EXACTLY the point of your sarcasm. Do you get how sarcasm works now? Anyways. I think that's an incredibly stupid mindset to have when you see how downhill the quality of anime drawings have gone. It's not a slippery slope because Hollywood doesn't have artistic freedom, Netflix shows, everything... For it to be a slippery slope you'd need to have people infiltrate the industry at top positions.1/2
>>282489107Japanese animation shouldn't restrict itself to following a 'conventional artstyle'.>God I hate having to explain things to retards. Funny of you to say that when we both know you're being a stubborn retard. I actually read what you write, unlike you.>If you said "Hey I liked it" I would just disagree with your tastes and that would be it. But you just had to act all high and mighty about the "plebeians" who dared to reject the anime and how that prevents anime from finally becoming a true art form.Yeah and you weren't here when the anime released. It undeniably had great artistic merit (it had great direction by your own admission) and flopped so hard that they canned part 2 right here and there
>>282489298>>282489331Ain't reading all that nigga.
>>282489351I accept your concession
>>282488613>Maybe Hollywood should take over and just do a straight up live action adaptation with black actorsThat is already a thing.
>>282489361Who the fuck are (You)?
>>282489411>posting tits on my ass boardYou really are a giant faggot
>>282487215Show me their teeth, how many need braces?
>>282489298>I consider anime up until the 2000s to be art, now it's just slop for maximum profit and anything that deviates from the norm gets crucified.I think the most popular series aren't actually slop at all, One piece, Frieren, even full-metal alchemist have charming, interesting, cool, heart moving segments despite their overwhelming popularity. There's an old proverb that says >Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not enquire wisely concerning this.And I think it's true, and I think going about with rose tinted glasses is... unwise.
>>282489476Ok, but first post hands with time stamp.
>>282489477I actually don't think hollywood could have made a one piece or a frieren, or a full-metal alchemist.
>>282489477Yeah I mean sure, I agree that there exceptions to the rule. I don't think One Piece has a lot of soul apart for when they pull the animators off of twitter but idk, I just stick to the manga nowadays.
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>>282489298>No, when it released most people bitched and moaned about it and refused to watch it. Nobody talked about the direction, or the soundtrack. It was known as 'the ugly anime'. I'm old enough to remember.People have every right to not watch something because of any reason. Nobody has argued that the ost an the direction wasn't good so I don't even see why you are salty. >It's a 'strange' adaptation all around that never even got a chance to prove itself before people dismissed it.They weren't aiming at a "strange" or ugly adaptation of the material. They had the idea that rotoscoping would help with facial expressions because those are some of the greatest parts of the manga. It didn't work out for the majority of the people because it came of as funny and ugly. You are the exception.>anything that deviates from the norm gets crucifiedThat's a completely different discussion which I would most likely agree with. But AnH is not just "deviating from the norm". The dislike it got is more justified than say the Chainsawman adaptation.>Oh my god. I'm talking about horses and you're ironizing over penguinsI was mentioning "posts in this thread" and you somehow quoted my ironic post about the replies we shared between each other. What did that have to do with my point that the thread was less focused on the adaptation (something you brought up front by replying to a post condemning people that didn't like it) and more with how people straight up think it looks bad even with nothing to compare to.
>>282489527Attaboy! That's more like it
>>282487448Nobuyuki Fukumoto
>>282486991Fag.
>>282487352I think the girls look cute in both. The minimalist style works better on women.
>>282489298>Oh okay, you were just talking about something else entirely!See above. Most people were talking about how the style looks bad, and you made it about how deviating from the norm is viewed as bad in general and you also did it in a way that implied that only by deviating from the norm will anime ever be a serious art form. Then you said:>Since you're not even able to comprehend the point you were making, here it is: deviating from the norm is a slippery slopeThe point of my sarcasm is inherently tied to your implication that anime has to change to be considered a serious art form. I have no idea why you missed that or why you are trying to explain to me the point of my sarcasm.You got overly defensive on a stance you never made clear, that deviating from the norm is ok.>Yeah and you weren't here when the anime releasedI have been here since when the manga was being slowly released and /a/ was losing its mind. Why would you even go there?Anyway seems like you completely backtracked your position to "some change isn't bad guys" when your original reply to the other anon implied other things. If you were not so stubborn to see how you presented yourself you would even understand where the irony and sarcasm came from like the other anons did. I won't reply to another wall of text because I stopped caring.
>>282489541>People have every right to not watch something because of any reason. Nobody has argued that the ost an the direction wasn't good so I don't even see why you are salty....My point is that people judged the show without watching it>They weren't aiming at a "strange" or ugly adaptation of the material. They had the idea that rotoscoping would help with facial expressions because those are some of the greatest parts of the manga. It didn't work out for the majority of the people because it came of as funny and ugly. You are the exception.Maybe that's true, I don't know. But it still gives off a "strange" feeling that me and many other people like. I am not the exception amongst the people who actually watched it. It's sitting at an alright 7.15/10 on myanimelist, showing that despite the endless trashing, a lot of people still liked for what it was, and I'm sure you'd find people who share the same sentiment about its weirdness if you bother looking at the reviews. Even if I were the exception, that wouldn't make me wrong. I complained about the majority of people for a reason.>That's a completely different discussion which I would most likely agree with. But AnH is not just "deviating from the norm". The dislike it got is more justified than say the Chainsawman adaptation.Sure, if you think so that's fine.>I was mentioning "posts in this thread" and you somehow quoted my ironic post about the replies we shared between each otherI assumed "posts in this thread" included yours since you're the one I'm arguing with.>What did that have to do with my point that the thread was less focused on the adaptation (something you brought up front by replying to a post condemning people that didn't like it) and more with how people straight up think it looks bad even with nothing to compare to.Then what was the point of bringing it up in the first place? I'm talking to you. And I wasn't responding to the OP.
>>282489652>See above. Most people were talking about how the style looks bad, and you made it about how deviating from the norm is viewed as bad in general and you also did it in a way that implied that only by deviating from the norm will anime ever be a serious art form.>The point of my sarcasm is inherently tied to your implication that anime has to change to be considered a serious art form. I have no idea why you missed that or why you are trying to explain to me the point of my sarcasm.And you attacked that premise by making fun of change itself did you not? By putting words into my mouth and making a mockery of my point. If you don't think change in general is bad, then you should have made that clear, but you didn't, and you're probably making shit up now. I do think anime has to change, because it used to be better, and it can be better. You apparently do not. We should've stopped right here. But you decided to be extra retarded.>I have been here since when the manga was being slowly released and /a/ was losing its mind. Why would you even go there?Because I assumed I was talking to a kid since I'm still here arguing over a single message I wrote in passing.>Anyway seems like you completely backtracked your position to "some change isn't bad guys" when your original reply to the other anon implied other things.My point was this, since you're extremely fucking mentally retarded: Change isn't bad, it's great actually. We need change in anime. How many times do I have to say you fucking troglodyte? And you're not a kid? Jesus>I won't reply to another wall of text because I stopped caring.Run away like a little bitch. I was gonna be respectful but since you're a midwit fatso who runs away when confronted with his retardation, I don't think you deserve any of it. Don't start shit if you can't back it up.
>>282489879I won't deal with this autism of writing things in notepad. I've made my position clear. Have a nice day.
>>282489916Don't start shit next time
>>282486828Would be good, I prefer characters who resemble humans.
>>282486828Why left is off-putting isn't because it's "Asian", it's because it's incredibly undetailed. It lacks shadows, outlines if many things like cheeks/eyes/nose, and flat lighting.
>>282489931Act as if you "won" because you are more invested in this argument if it makes you feel better about yourself. Your very posts are filled with backtracking but admitting you phrased your original point (benefit of the doubt here) like a retard in your first post is painful.
>>282490013>He's still going after saying he's leaving twiceAlright now it's my turn to not read your nose drivel. You're obsessed.
>>282490039You really can't read or comprehend huh?I said I won't reply to a wall of text or deal with having to write things in notepad like an autistic person too invested in online arguments. I can keep calling you a retard forever.
>>282490081>He's STILL going
>>282490123As opposed to yourself?Here, I'll give you the chance to be the better man you desperately need. Just don't reply, and I'll be the obsessed one. That way you won't keep shitting up the thread forever.
>>282489476Dental Plan
>>282490159>buck-broken this hard he's still trying going after saying goodbye twice KEKWait until you find out I'm not reading any of it
>>282489597What are you posting a cute 2D girl for when I say I hate 3DPD you retarded fuckface?
>>282490195>trying goingI'm going to kill myself
>>282490213Not worth it at this point man. Let him be.
>>282490235Cope
>>282490235Wait shit fuck. You're lucky the message was short enough for me to read it accidentally lmao. Sorry dude, my bad
>>282486828Only if they model them after all the cute models and pornstars. Otherwise, no. Regular asian people are ugly.
>>282487352>removing so much details from a human's face but still trying to go for a realistic look just makes them creepy and uglyYes, that's called the uncanny valley
Way too easy to bait a paragraph out of somebody nowadays on this site
Boogiepop Phantom is the gold standard for how realistic anime could get stylistically before sliding into the uncanny valley.
>>282490474Yeah you just have to write a paragraph. Then write a paragraph to his paragraph, then another one, then another one.Epic paragraph farmingzz
>>282486828I'm cool with it, assuming they stop with the rotoscoping bullshit Always hated it, even before that adaptation
>>282490474Isn't that the sign of a healthy slow board
>>282487516Satoshi Kon too
>>282487368It's meant to be a furrowed brow I think but it kinda looks like he just has a monobrow.>>282486828Unless you're doing one of those Shaft-style super close shots where you're meant to lip read what the character is saying drawing teeth individually looks really bad.
>>282490690Another good one. Can look cute but the chin and the nose look realistic
>>282486828I wouldn't mind as I've had rampant yellow fever since a young age. I think Japanese people, the primary audience, would hate it though. All animanga exists to provide escapism to a nation of people working themselves to death, why would they want to be reminded of reality?
>>282490744>Can look cuteYeah there are characters who look cute like Mima and there are characters who intentionally look off/ugly like Rumi whose eyes are too far apart.
>>282490690I love Satoshi Kon so much... Why the fuck did the greatest anime director have to die so young?? It's not fair bros
>>282490799I don't think it's possible to draw realistically 4 out of 10 looking people in anime without making them look outright disfigured due to the level of abstraction involved.
>>282487516i like Junji ito chicks, they tend to look classy and homely, except when they get crazy and stuff
>>282486828It would be bad for the same reasons that it's bad in western cartoons.
>>282486828Problem is Aku no Hana made them look WORSE than Asian. Which I didn't think was possible. Being 5fps didn't help either.
>>282486828How is it possible to make 2d uglier than 3d??
>>282487386Actually you're the one who didn't get it. The point was that she was very beautiful in the outside, but absolutely hideous in the inside. In the anime she's hideous inside and outside. The point was lost. The name was "Flower of evil". A flower is beautiful. But this flower, even thought it was beautiful, was evil. It's not that complicated.
>>282490823Japan didn't deserve him.
>>282496278I think her insides are beautiful
>>282486828>retards are still pretending to like this trash
I like anime the way it is. It doesn’t need this or black people or any other retarded ideas you have
>>282490197All Japanese girls are cute, especially the ugly ones. Once they become adult women the fugly look loses its charm a little, but they're still cute. It's incredible how adorable Japanese women can be. Unfortunately I cannot say the same about other Asians.
