what is it about these 4 franchises that made them such juggernauts and what can the rest of the industry learn about them?
>>282503642Op tried to sneak bleach in
>>282503642>Bleachlmao
is bleach popular in japan? no one in the west seems to care about it compared to the other three
I love Naruto's son and Goku's granddaughter.
Shounen is made for children and there's lots of children.
>>282503642anime wasn't popular/easily accessable back then so the easiest way to read/watch anime was either through the tv services available at the time or through the local run down video store, and even then you would only get 3-4 episodes at a time if you are lucky.DBZ got popular because of the fights and actionNaruto got popular as anime started to become easier to access through the internetBleach was popular because people wanted a more "serious story" compared to Naruto and One PieceI honestly don't know how One Piece got popular outside of Asia. I suspect it was a combination of already excisting and pretentious anime fans who finally got a chance to spread their love for 80s and 90s anime that pushed for One Piece to the for front. Also, it was to counteract the infamy of the One Piece dub.It also helps that those 4 shows has filler arcs that bloated the series for years with it's weekly episodes and only taking breaks for major events or major disasters.
>>282503642it turns out that little boys like series with fighting and fun adventuresi mean, what do they have in western media? spiderman? wow, he's so nervous about talking to his high school crush, this is really entertaining
blud thinks hes on the team
>>282503731nothe only reason bleach gets brought up is that it was popular at the time when anime was becoming mainstream in the west
>>282503642These are all dogshit with bleach being a tiny little bit meh above the others but its still shit
>>282503731the new animd always trending in japanese twitter
>>282503686>>282503727>>282504845all nushonen literally inspired by bleach
>>282507508Tell me more
>>282503642Just consistency. They're always shoveling out new content to consume, so the public has no time to forget. A lot of new shonen have lots of down time with no anime, merchandise, game etc. to keep the attention.
>>282503642If you want to keep on living, don't get married, and chase your dreams instead.
>>282503642Bleach should be replaced by YYH but people still aren't ready to accept that somehow
>>282504578>wow, he's so nervous about talking to his high school crush, this is really entertainingThat's old-school spiderman, it's even worse now. He's now getting cucked by some smug asshole by the name of Paul, and most of the recent story arc has been focusing on their disgustingly happy relationship while having them make fun of Peter for still liking MJ. Marvel writers HATE their fans.
>>282503642Their authors were talented and creative and it was the time when people actually went out and studied and had knowledge. All four works had the elements of classic western mythos and executed classic heroic tropes just right. At the same time PCs and Enternet weren't as widespread and advanced, so more kids and teens read manga.That allowed WSJ to not hinder author's freedom and all works had the room to breath.Most modern authors are asocial zoomers grown on shallow values and not nearly enough educated and experienced to create something soulful and interesting.
>>282503731No one cares about Naruto anymore either. They spent the last decade destroying their reputation, which even then was mostly built up around “ninjas are cool” as an idea
>>282511548Bleach is more popular for young millenials and zoomers. YYH is for older people>t. watched YYH as my first anime. It was so popular here in Philippines almost everyone my age saw it
>>282511548*Sailor Moon
>>282503642they had the best combo of fights, intriguing worlds, and easy to mesh personalities, except bleach which is just incredibly stylish
>>282507508They're not inspired by Bleach, they're inspired by Yuyu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Fuma no Kojiro, JoJo and Hokuto no Ken.
>>282511913Bleach designs are trash, he is not good at making shonen shit but I do believe he could be a better artist and writer making something else. He once drew a rooster and it was pretty damn good.
Wan Piss fans and tourists truly gave me OP fatigue. Also the anime is razor hair close to the manga that it's truly insane that Japan allows the anime to continue despite not having enough material to continue. God Vally in the anime will be 40 episodes of the same shots and filler atp.
>>282503950Nothing in Bleach is more serious than the killing of Sasuke's clan, could have been chudgeki before chudgeki if Kishimoto didn't back the fuck off because it was too damn gritty.
>>282511995Bleach is trash and Kubo stole all his crap from more succesful and creative mangakas. He has no originality whatsoever. I don't like One Piece but that first chapter at least wasn't a YYH ripoff.
>>282512032Oda stole ideas from Toriyama you biased faggot
>>282503642>BleachLol you aint tyna sneak that bitch in there are ya? Replace ichigo with Tanjiro or Yuuji
>>282512066OP really isn't similar to DB in plot at all thoughOda only took vague superficial ideas from DB
op is namek saga stretched everything for 1 million episodes
>>282503642the third world
>>282503642>Best selling manga of all time (One Piece)>Most popular anime of all time (Naruto)>Most influential anime/manga of all time (Dragon Ball)Sour grapes knowing their series will never be anywhere near on the level as them because they're synonymous with anime/manga, and they're bigger than anime/manga at this point. It's the same reason why autists seethe over Naruto and One Piece. Ironically, DBchads, Narutochads and OPchads are so above everyone else that their only rival... are each other. Fans of those series seethe about the other having something they don't have.>Dragon Ball: Legendary influence, zero narrative sophistication>Naruto: Strong emotional arcs, but filler hell and writing inconsistencies>One Piece: Worldbuilding mastery, but endless pacing issues and an anime that moves like molassesDragon Ball fans want Naruto's story arcs but Naruto fans want One Piece's worldbuilding while One Piece fans want Dragon Ball's global clout and video games (One Piece fans have been crying about having shit games for years).
People grew up with them when isekai didn't really exist, that's why IMO.
People really love to rewrite history to fit it into their agenda. Truth is Naruto, Dragon Ball and Bleach are the most worldwide popular shounens. They were, are and will be. One Piece is less popular worldwide (still is popular, don't get me wrong) but overwhelmingly more popular in Japan to the point that it basically reaches other three's popularity overall. Nothing else comes close. Shit like JJK? No. Seasonal shit. KnY has higher peak but it doesn't really transform into consistent worldwide coverage. It's might be popular on Monday but on other 6 days DB and Big Trio would be more popular. Also it's seasonal shit, now movie shit that comes out once in a couple year. Whether you like it or not, but those four will remain to be kings, forever. P. S. >YYHLmao
>>282503642>trying to smuggle bleach
>>282514662It's impressive, the anime/manga that took the most inspiration from DB are also the ones that will outlive everyone at the end of the day
>>282507508All nushonen are ASS
>>282503642I only consumed DBZ. The other ones I think look and sound bad.I had some "interest" in looking into One Piece, but only if it was similar to Adventure Time (a post apocalyptic earth where monsters and magic are just mutants and not understood sci-fi tech). Others wise I don't like the mix of colonial setting with advanced tech and fantastical body shapes and creatures, etc.
>>282509845Not him but i recently decided to try out demon slayer and the whole time im just thinking 'why does this remind me so much of bleach?'Especially the fights
>>282503642To be fair, there wasn't as much competition back in the day. But honestly, despite how we bitch about filler, pacing, and bloated arcs, I think their length played a big part. New series are shorter, giving you less time to get attached to the cast and often feel like they could've slowed down and fleshed things out a bit more. Their anime are usually 12-24 episodes and then it's gone for at least a year, often several, and replaced by the next hype thing.
>>282503642Dragonball z really kicked off anime in the west, especially as a serialised tv series for kidsThe other 3 were just the three most popular shonen in the mid 2000s when anime became easily accessible on the internet and so had a huge defining effect on westerners perception of animeAlso to all the people calling out bleach, yeah its WAY less significant now than the others but it also fucking ended way earlier. Back in 2010 it was pretty close to naruto and one piece in terms of popularity
>>282514662>They were, are and will be.>One Piece is less popular worldwideOne Piece has a TCG that's only less popular than Magic and Pokemon. It has a live action adaption that will have $500 million put into production cost here soon. The jolly Roger flag is being holstered in multiple countries right now that are having civil unrest. It's the most popular show on Crunchyroll. It's getting a big Budget remake by studio Wit. It's way bigger than Naruto and probably even Dragon Ball at this point.
>>282517380Yeah, KnY's pretty blatantly inspired by Bleach and the author said it's one of his main ones along with Jojo and Naruto.>>282517533I think people forgot Bleach didn't get a full adaption and the anime was completely absent for 10 years unlike Naruto which went straight into Boruto and One Piece which never ended. Of course its popularity would drop off.
>>282503642>juggernaut>bleachI couldn't conain the laugh.>but inspired nu shounenYes because everyone saw how bad it was so everyone ripped off bleach thinking they could do better but did same shit.
>>282507237Keep dreaming, the only appeal bleach had was the huge titted girls besides it nothing while the others have better characters, better girls, better story.
>>282517675>probably even Dragon Ball at this point.Not even close lol.
>>282517704Bleach had low TV ratings and got killed by dragon ball GT rerun that aired at same time bleach aired.Dragon ball has killed more anime wkth reruns then any other, no one batted an eye when nubleach aired in japan because sadly there was a rerun of the original dragon ball.
>>282517675One Piece is more popular in Japan, Naruto is absolutely more popular in the west. It's the most watched anime on Netflix worldwide this year. One Piece's reputation here never fully recovered from the damage 4Kids did to it.
>>282517916At the time all 3 were airing bleach had the best fights. The other two did improve as time went on
>>282517998>>282518038His point is One Piece is getting things that DB and Naruto can't. Like a hug budget live action, a remake by a new studio (not a cheap remastered Kia shit) The TCG is way bigger than DB's. The future for OP is why brighter than DB and Naruto. They both ended and have ruined their reputation the long they keep putting slop out like Super and Baruto.
>>282503686only good thing of bleach and became NTR bait by design itself, like it was made on purpose by kubo.
>>282518038Using Netflix as an indication is hilarious. They're letting pumping money into One Piece and ignoring Narutard shit.
>>282518082you realize that bleach aired years after the other, for example before bleach aired.>One Piece reaching great battles and new animation on enies lobby arc (which aired when bleach started)>Naruto well started shippuuden by the moment.>Dragon ball well was starting reruns.no one gives a shit about live action, most have flopped take for example a lot preferred those old movies based on dragon ball then murrican live action, no one cares about censored piece live action.most live actions are flops even bleach live action was a massive flop despite the cost (way more then whole first season of one piece live action)..
>Decide to watch one piece>Actually enjoy itIt's not flawless, but I don't really get the autistic levels of hatred I see some people have for it on this board. It's a series of fun adventure stories with some funny characters.
>>282518164Dragon Ball Evolution damn nearly killed the franchise so it wouldn't surprise me if Toriyama wanted nothing to do with another one. Super was fucking huge though, especially during the tournament of power with ultra instinct. I'd agree if you said Daima. Boruto's trash for sure, but I think a lot of new viewers just watch Naruto and Shippuden and ignore it. I don't really follow TCGs anymore, but DBZ and Naruto both had fairly successful ones back in the day. I'd agree One Piece seems to have the brightest future though, especially without Toriyama.>>282518594So Naruto's doing better than One Piece on Netflix despite far less support from the platform? Is that the point you wanted to make?
>>282518941it feels like someone is trying to confirm his own shit samefagging.sadly evolution was so bad that even ruined the game they made for it, but thanks to this toriyama went out of retirement to make more dragon ball.the only reason daima gets hate is because made super non canon to main story of dragon ball, the transformations are canon (Kami to kami, fuukatsu no F) but aren't exclusive to just goku and vegeta based on xenoverse story made by toriyama himself.
>>282511818That’s just wrong. Naruto honestly has more mindshare than DBZ in the west.
>>282518941The point is investors in stockholders see potential in One Piece. Not Naruto or Dragon Ball though.
>>282503642they start as mythical stories that tell the journey of the soul and they are universal. then the modern world makes them shit and a caricature of their starting elements. literally what happened to civilization
>>282503642Good world building with mysteries to keep the audience guessing.
>>282511951Most nushonen mangaka have said on record that Bleach is what inspired them the most because most grew up in the 2000s
>>282519136Objectively incorrect and zombie and alien ninjas cemented its legacy as being a crash landing.
>>282514662Ever since the Netflix live action series, One Piece has become way more popular globally than Bleach ever was.
>>282503642one piece sucks
>>282519249Dragon Ball makes $1 billion dollars every year, something One Piece doesn't do.
You're delusional if you think Bleach is in the same league as the rest
It's very interesting seeing One Piece fans themselves say post-timeskip One Piece is shit (meaning it's been shit for 15 years now) but then pretend it's still good when comparing it to other series
>>282503642No pedo incest diddy ahh shit.
>>282522463see>>282519412Bleach is the one that gets creators interested in making Shonen garbage: the other three are just the types of Shonen garbage arrested development Millennials chimp out over.
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>>282523212Shonen isn't a genre
>>282522810Everywhere I look that keeps ratings has One Piece significantly higher rated than DB or any big Shonen.
>>282522810As someone who feels similarly about post-timeskip One Piece, the thing is, pretty much all the long-running big shounen have a point where most of the fanbase can agree quality nosedives.>Naruto Post-Pain>Bleach Post-Aizen>Dragon Ball Post-Cell(some say Post-Namek, but Android/Cell Saga's my favorite)Basically, One Piece was able to maintain quality for a lot longer than most of its competition. I wouldn't have even put anything post-timeskip on the same level of disappointment as Naruto's war arc until Wano.
>>282511951the future is now ,old faG
>>282525517But Cell is the worst arc
>>282525517People love Wano and Gear 5 bro. The show has blown up in popularity in the last few years. Egghead and Elbaph are top tier. One Piece hasn't fallen off.
>>282525517hard to say dragon ball fell off when cell/buu are still much better than anything og db
>>282526584GT, Super and Daima killed any good will DB had..
>>282518038One Piece is more popular then it ever was in the West thanks to sheer longevity.
>>282503686>>282503727tourists detected>>282503731It still is, yes.
>>282526414Zoomers who latch onto One Piece because of social media and COVID does not mean people love Wano and Gear 5. Popularity does not mean quality. Once this series end, it will be seen as the low point of the series, unless Oda continues to keep botching it up.
>>282526750Dragon Ball ended in 1995
Dragon Ball went to shit when it stopped being a gag manga.
>>282526927>Doffy is a better villain than any pre timeskip villain >Katakuri vs Luffy is better than any fight pre timeskip>The animation is objectively better than any animation pre timeskip>Elbaph and current events are set up to be more grand than any moment in pre timeskip You're absolutely fucking out of your mind. Nothing in post timeskip has betrayed or hurt what came before it. It's one long cohesive narrative that has somehow not dropped off like it's contemporaries. Fights like Blackbeard vs Luffy, Luffy vs Imunand Shanks vs whoever's will surpass any moment from Dragon Ball, Naruto etc. Same with big events like the void century reveals and the One Piece itself.
>>282526414>nepo-piece
>>282518038>using netflix stats for anime popularitythis place has really become reddit
>>282526923>It still is, yes.Kek
>>282511867Okay but everything that bleach "inspired" in new series is literally just shit it copied from yyh by kubo. That's their point. Bleach was always called yyh with swords the entire time it ran and it only became more true as it continued and made entire arcs about territories, copied sensui vs raizen, copied chapter black entirely with the ginjo slop, etc.
>>282523226becucktacucks are mentally ill
