Kazekage Rescue MissionChapter 273: Final Battle...!!Previous chapter: >>282501328 chapter 272Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/7/Believe it!Thanks for joining and reading.
Finally, before I gave up and went to sleep. Welcome and thanks, ramen
>>282532070My HEROES and Zetsu
LATE!
>>282532284That's LITERALLY a rasenshuriken what the fuck?
If only Sasori had seen Naruto fight and could have foreseen the side with more people always has 90% of their body count one-shot instantly.
>>282532284>>282532325That's already 16 puppets down.
>>282532325>>282532284>>282532244This is just like Kishi's obsession with big kaiju monster battles, all hyped up but inconsequential and unexciting in comparison to the actual ninjas battling with tactics
>>282515013>not first timing it with the others when dailyshitrotKEK is doneNgmi
>>282532601fucking noob
>>282532601>Boy I sure hope I don't take dam->Uh oh
>>282532325>Mito Uzumaki puppet
>>282532654What the fuck is that?
Hinata's chapter is coming soon.. Any month now...
>>282532654>>282532629rasengan!
>>282532815What the fuck
>>282532784>>282532815Was Kishi too lazy to draw the actual impact?
>>282532784>>282532815>again the important thing happens off-screen WHILE it was already happening
>>282532861>ranged chakra-disablerWhere the fuck does that kind of tech come from?
We're close to be done with this arc. Man, it's feeling like forever.
>>282532917Suna top scientists. Let's see Konoha compete with that.
>>282532784>>282532815>doesn't even offscreen to the other fights, just straight up skip the impact with outside shots>no sfx, no water ripple to show a big boom or other tricks he usually use to offscreen shitNever noticed this before. Lazy motherfucker. At this point he already has like half a dozen assistants?
>>282532966"The anime will take care of it." - Masashi Kishimoto, probably
>>282532918Gaara's corpse bros...
>>282532815lol I legit thought this was a fan edit at first
>>282532999How does the puppet have his head?
>>282532999This guy is in killable
>>282532601Kishimoto didn't show how this happenedWhy can't you show it you fucking faggot KishimotoWhy do you skip drawing the manga parts of your manga huh?Tell me Kishimoto why do you skip your fucking job?
>>282532325I know that anons will gang up on me. But how can anyone say that Toriyama is better than that?
>>282533047So if he jumped his heart and consciousness over to this puppet, his chakra isn't actually sealed and he should still be able to control all of his puppets right?
>>282533069Toriyama actually DRAWS HIS FUCKING FIGHTS
Chapter 273: Final Battle...!!END Tomorrow: Impossible Dream
>>282533131SAKURA LOVE
>>282532966>>282532869>>282532851Guys, he didn't want to show Sasori abandoning his puppet body.
>Art looks more stiffer to match the anime>Pacing going at a snail's pace>Skipping scenesThe soul left the series sooner than I thought.
>>282533131I can't believe our wife Sakura is fucking dead
>>282533117This shit is so simple. Kishimoto has to shift so many POVs that he doesn't skip drawing the background. The BG is part of the fights, while Toriyama goes to the netherworld. Space is just a suggestion for him. Also more complicated choreography. Anons have better standards. Toriyama is great, but the other artists are no slouches.
>>282533104The puppets were attached by strings within his main body. Presumably this puppet doesn't have them.
>>282533131It's sakurover...
>>282533131>the good ending
>>282533131God if only this world-renowned elite-tier ninja were capable of killing a defenseless teenager in one strike with a sword.
>>282533131IT'S OVER SASORIBROS... WE WON!thank you OP
>>282533131Should've killed her there.
>>282533148yeah the sakura running shot here >>282533047 is just something he imagines animated in slow mo "noooooooooo.....!" but it's awkward in manga panel form
>>282533147There was no reason not to draw the chakra sealer hitting the wall with blurred lines and then showing the page of Sasori's puppet body trapped in it. It's lazy, dude.
>>282533172Oh yeah, I forgor the chakra strings are like actual physical strings.
so this quick acting numbing poison will kick in any second now...This whole fight is way worse than I remembered. Sasori is way too strong and the way he made him lose is totally unsatisfying
>>282533148Much better than earlier Naruto. Lee X Gaara is a good example of how Kishimoto could do better. And he did, the Sound Four arc is full of great fights. The best fights from before the timeskip.
>>282533168You're retarded. The page you're glazing >>282532325 is, YET AGAIN, more disconnected scenes. The first 4 panels and the last 2 are completely unrelated and could have happened in completely different pages. They don't need to be consistent with each other, they don't need to flow well into each other, they don't interact. It's basically an infodump.>BG part of fights>more complicated choreographyLol. Kishimoto would have to draw ANY choreography for that to be true. You're completely missing the point as always.
>>282533069>I know that anons will gang up on me. But how can anyone say that Toriyama is better than that?Eh, if we wanna do comparisons we saw much better fights in Part 1 anyway, this is kind of mediocre
>>282533302We saw better fights in part 1 but maybe not "much" better.Reminder even the praised Rock Lee vs Gaara is almost entirely carried by the anime.
>>282533069You should post the OG black and white if you're going to say that. You're wrong btw
>>282533337lion barrage bros, our response...?
Naruto has become mainstream by this point and the quality is declining because of it. Kishimoto doesn't have to prove himself and impress anymore. He just as to churn out more chapters to be animated for japanese television.
>>282533266>282532325I mean, reading crap like that doesn't help. Toriyama has to take into account double pages and page breaks and shit. Your screenshots will look less dynamic than those Kishimoto pages. And honestly, Toriyama can't handle complexity. He keeps things simple. Only in tournaments where he can spread out does he try something more complicated. And even compared to Naruto and other shonen series, it's much simpler. Also, he can't handle drama. Unlike Kishimoto.
>>282533026Too many puppets to draw, arm got tired, please understand.
>>282533381>Toriyama can't handle complexity. He keeps things simple. Only in tournaments where he can spread out does he try something more complicatedWhat the fuck are you even talking about? What are you even saying? Am I talking to a bot?
>>282532861>sakura and a granny are now officially stronger than an entire country Imagine how incompetent their shinobi were if they're getting outdone by fucking sakura of all people.
>>282533381 ">282532325" Failed quote?
when does boruto's dad come back?
>>282533400>>282533026But every tankobon chapter break is talking about new assistant number 13456 joining the team, btw
>>282533592Boruto's dad does nothing this whole arc but rasengan a clone
>>282533592You really find jumping from tree to tree following Deidara's clay bird engaging?
Honestly Kishi kind of gives off the vibe of someone that likes creating weird techniques and powers, but doesn't really like doing actual fights all that much, cause you look at like half the fights in the Chunin Exams (especially Temari vs. Tenten) and he clearly just wants to blaze through them while padding the chapters with cutaways and the like
>>282533623One guy to make him tea. Another guy to bring the tea to him. Another guy to buy takeout for him. And another guy to hold the door open for him.
>>282533661I think that's the general consensus, he's a great designer and ideas guy but an abysmal writer and mangaka.
>>282533711He should have worked as a duo combi with his brother. There I said it.
>>282532514>>28253253823
>>282532815chat, what does the kanji say?
>>282533661so far I'm still of the opinion that Naruto vs. Gaara is probably the best fight we've seen, I feel like that was a rare moment where he put full effort from start to finish
>>282532325>>282532284>>282532578>>282532815>>28253262916+23+2+1=42 puppets were destroyed in the span of 5 pages.
>>282532918Imagine having to go through the anime version of it.
>>282532861>That sealing completely traps chakraWhat is Sakura doing carrying a pocket 64 palms around!?!?
>>282533884Or reading this weekly with possible breaks added.
>>282532999BULLSHIT!>>282533047>>282533131>Outsped by fucking SakuraSLOWsoribros...
>>282533803Agreed. It's not like it had some conventional kung fu choreography but it had some good choreography and a sense of progression
>>282533913>Or reading this weekly with possible breaks added.This is the part that still fucks me up, you can already get a feel for fucky pacing on a daily format, how were people able to bear this on a WEEKLY level? Just pure vibes and dreams?
>>282533884Imagine having to go through the anime version not know it was going to be a slog fes with 1 sakuga episode setting the worst precedent for future arcs
>>282533944>max STR DEX AGI END vs INT VIT ENDWhy not?
>This fight is the highlight of the arcActually fucking Grim.
>>282534088This is why Naruto is both hated and loved. Waiting for chapters each week only to rip them apart- back when this chapter was released everyone was still having fun with the wild ride but eventually the only fun there was to have was making fun of it.
I think we can all agree that doll joints are hot as fuck but what if Sasori were a loli? you would give your body to her /a/?
Every week hoping she'd appear... Then she finally does and she's cute but that's the last time you'll see her for another year.
Ya know, Sakura straight up pulling a rasengan would've been less bullshit than a pocket 64 palms.She's already perfect in chakra control anyway.
>>282533901>>282534255stop speedreading
>>282534360I mean, Chiyo having it isn't much better.The Hyuuga's biggest offensive technique is literally rendered redundant by this tool.
>>282534108Sakura is slow as shit
>>282534411>strongest and oldest ninja in the sand with decades of experience has some OP toolsWow
>>282534464>It's okay because this character is strong and old!Whatever you say, Kishimoto.
>>282534411how is that any different from Sasori's iron sand countering puppets and being provided by a puppet itself?>The Hyuuga's biggest offensive technique is literally rendered redundant by this tool.like the sharingan?
>>282534511NTA but it's not bad because "it makes Hyuga redundant", it's bad from an "industrial" sense, how expensive/rare are these things? It's not anywhere near as bad as poison is for the setting though, you should be complaining about everyone not using poison right now instead
just finished watching ashura and indra mini-arcout of knowhere they fucking put sadness and sorrow at the end of the episodelolit just not the same, it doesnt go along shitty shippuden cardboarded, dark/night visuals
>after all of this, Sakura didn't get promoted to JoninDon't even say shit about leadership or w/e Neji is a Jonin but still a grunt on Team Guy
>>282534873promotions are strictly about passing test which is why you get stupid shit like post-war Naruto still being a genin
>>282534873Naruto isn't even made at least fucking chunin after beating Pain. The village wants you to go through a whole evaluation via the exams for a promotion.
jesus fuck WHAT is this shit MY EYEShttps://files.catbox.moe/7kbh6n.mp4
>>282533419That country? Lichtenstein.
>>282534873>>282534929Not enough children slaughtered sorry
>>282533131Kishi really loves his scenes of people intercepting fatal attacks, doesn't he? Never noticed that before, but it happens all the time.
>look! i turned the kazekage into a puppet, complete with iron sand!>now witness my army of 100 fodder puppets that have absolutely zero notable jutsu!so this entire time, the shocking reveal of his evolution of puppetry through the ability to embalm corpses and preserve their jutsu, he hasn't created a single useful human puppet outside the third kazekage? just a few human puppets of some low-tier jonin would allow him to control all natures just like kakuzu. having multiple human puppets would allow him to pull off insane shit like the 4-man barrier jutsu. chiyo even states that using the human puppet doesn't even consume his chakra, as it uses what's left of the body's chakra like a battery.
Why the hell is zetsu on this cover. Blud hasn't done a thing
>>282534943
>>282535019Aura farming
>>282532654The fuck?
>>282535019he cleans up afterwards?
>>282534999I guarantee you they all had unique abilities but Kishi couldn't be bothered to draw one. Too much effort spent on the proto-Rasenshuriken from the chiyo puppet
>>282535019Bro really thought that he was part of the squad.
>>282535019monch cronch
>>282535122Would he eat the Sasori puppet?
>>282535254>mmmmm>plastic coated skin and wood
>>282535310>>282535122>>282535307I said it before but the whole man-eating plant thing really feels fucking weird with late series Zetsu taken into account. Like, neither Zetsu there has the personality or seemingly a reason to just fucking eat people.
>>282535368wait for Boruto Shippuden part 2 for an explanation
>>282533376This arc makes it very clear that Kishimoto has completely abandoned the idea of drawing a manga and now works as a glorified writer storyboard designer for Pierrot.
>>282535368He was going through a phase
>>282535458Kishimoto actually gets better drawing fights laterThis is his worst period
>>282532784>>282532815WTF is this, how was this acceptable?>>282533131god this shit is so lame, let alone the third time. fifth time? I've lost count. What is it with the japs and this "body block the attack but don't actually try to block it" thing?
>>282534558Being stronger isn't the problem, doing the thing they do more effectively is the problem.>>282534566that too.
>>282534558Brother, people complain about that for the sharingan too.
>>282535019It's a volume cover and he appears later where our favorite masked mastermind is introduced.
>>282533337Rock Lee vs Garra was carried by fucking flashbacks
>>282534411Does the seal work on all chakra or does it only disable the source of chakra itself? Imagine if some Suna spook chucked it at Madara's perfect Susano
>>282535762I'd imagine Madara would've some bullshit against that.
Why is Sakura's speed so inconsistent in this fight?
>>282536266Plot and padding. She's fast when she needs to be and slow when she needs to be.
>>282536266Kishimoto has NEVER been consistent with speeds and shit
>>282534043Proceed with >>282536330
>>282536544RASENGAAAAAN
>>282536544Bro, imagine seeing this page when the leaks dropped, people would have gone crazy.
>>282536752Changed it like a week or so ago.
>>282536266Part of me wants to clown on Kishi for speed inconsistencies (prime example possibly being Neji managing to beeline to Kidomaru in an instant while being low on chakra and having two giant holes in his torso), but honestly I think this is one of the most consistent writing problems when it comes to superhuman characters, speed seems to be the absolute easiest "stat" to fuck up and I can't really think of how you'd really keep up the suspension of disbelief
>>282536752Where've you been, fag?
>>282536839>>282536822>>282533131Arigatou, OP!
>>282534566her reflexes also imply sasori is one of the slowest ninjas out there. sakura can easily keep up with sasori's hundreds of attacks and projectiles yet admits she can't even track base hebi sasuke a few chapters later because he's apparently so fast yet deidara shows no real issue keeping up, even against curse mark 2
>>282536778fucking sand spooks
>>282536866Actually having a life outside these shit dailys?
>>282536912>This guy walks up to you and says “nice body, it’d look great in a collection”How do you respond?
>>282536925Keep telling yourself that.
>>282536858>pic relDo you think he was spouting bullshit to look impressive because he knows superman will buy it?
>>282537062Y-you too...
>>282536858The Kidomaru stuff is especially bad because the whole fight revolved around the respective positions of Neji and Kido
>>282536858speed just has a ton of weird narrative baggage if you think about it, if your characters are casually moving faster than Usain Bolt the setting should really accommodate for that
>>282533913I didn't have internet access as a kid in the days of dial-up so I got left on the Sakura and Chiyo about to get railgunned cliffhanger for nearly six months because my brother hadn't come and brought the next batch of manga when he visited home.
>>282533018I think any puppet that has his heart gets its appearance rewritten into Sasori's. Otherwise it's way too convenient.
>>282533993Kishi's best fights are the ones that have stages and the players evolving their strategies/abilities in believable ways.
>>282537629Pain did it fine
>>282537639Which was pretty much Naruto just figuring out how to take out each body, then Kurama, then more strategy.
>>282537107at least 2 flashes can actually do that. It's just another one of the many problems with speedsters. The moving fast by itself is busted, but they all can think fast -> slowed perceptions including the low tier speedsters like supes. Writers generally just ignore all the stuff they can do though until the plot calls for it because it's hard to tell a story with it
What moment are you guys most excited for us to get to?
>tfw you realize you can write better fight choreo than Kishi
>>282537719Sakura vs Madara
>>282537719Circles. The entirety of the Pain arc.
>>282537719Jiraiya vs Pain + Sasuke vs Itachi.
>>282537719Kakuzu body horror
>>282537719Shikamaru vs Hidan
DATTEBAYO
>>282537062>"If I'm not the favorite and don't get prime display real estate I'm chimping out and cursing the whole collection. Water damage, shelves collapsing, you name it."It's a 50/50 on whether he hard passes or only wants to try even more but 50/50 is better odds than I started with and I can get a bit of cheeky psychological torment in post-mortem because who the fuck has poison resistance? Put the fear of god in a collector every time something goes wrong.
>>282536822oh no sakura is dead.
>>282537719Either the Hidan and Kakuzu arc to rip into that pile of contrivances or the Sasuke vs Itachi fight for a look at all the similar but different approaches the two used.
>>282537719Five kage summit and the war. I like complaining.
>>282537083>noooo everyone HAS to be as pathetic as I amYikes. Have you tried going outside? Lol
>>282537719Chapter 700
What is it about Naruto that attracts no-life idiots? From Sasukefaggot to this poo sniffer, there's always at least one faggot who can't go outside lol
>>282538522Harry Potter for blokes
>>282537719Pain & FSSW: Climax arcs.
>>282532917It's really strange how Chiyo can just do this. As jobber as Suna feels as a whole, Chiyo and Sasori are popping off WAY outside of what most ninja are capable of. Even in the Akatsuki, Sasori doesn't just feel like a one note monster with the whole sleeper agent bit, and a billion different things he's managing to take advantage of. He actually still feels slightly tied to the power system. Chiyo's been using chakra weapons and shields and on the fly seals and telekinetically manipulating another human being. But then it's Sakura of all people somehow stacking up to them to ruin it all
>>282538935This is such a retarded take
>>282538935Sakura haters are always so delicious
>>282533168>Toriyama is great, but the other artists are no slouches.Kishimoto is not among those.
>>282538628Dude, you're talking to the schizo. He always refers to himself as "Sasukefaggot", but it's already pretty obvious it's him since he already insulted OP earlier in this thread and in a separate one when everyone wss waiting for the daily.
>>282539932It's always amusing reading unhinged comments like this. You should seriously go outside anon. You clearly spend too much time here.
>>282533796Shut
>>282533872This took down a country...?
>>282538458Hopefully no one storytimes this again once the final dump is taken.
Hopefully we get a bleach daily next
>>282540320Do you faggots really have nothing better going on in your lives?
>I have a dream. That one day, every Shinobi in this nation will control their own destiny.>A village of the truly free, dammit. A village of action, not tradition, ruled by strength, not councils!>Where the rules bend to fit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice return to where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every Shinobi is free to think, to act for themselves!>Fuck all these limp-dick Elders and chickenshit Clan Heads. Fuck this 24 hour Council spew of missions and Shinobi ranking bullshit! Fuck Hidden Leaf pride! Fuck the Will of Fire! FUCK ALL OF IT! >Konoha is diseased. Rotten at the core. There’s no saving it - we need to rip it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN!>And from the ashes, a new Konoha will rise. Evolved, untamed! The weak will fall, and the strongest will thrive - free to live, to fight, to believe as they see fit!>They won’t kill for the Daimyō. They won’t die for some ancient feud or some Hokage’s dream. No more will kids die in blood sports they call "Exams", for the entertainment of the eilites.>In my new Konoha, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for honor. Not for orders. Not for what they’re told is right. Every Shinobi will fight their own war!
>>282532070kill yourself narutard
>>282536858Yup
>>282533131Thank you OP.If he had even a single Nara in his army he would be nigh-invincible.
>>282537719It's a small thing but the the pages with the infinite tsukuyomi dreams will be really funny.
>>282536858>comparing this manga to capeshit slop The lowest hanging fruit possible.
>>282534706that and hashirama madara, and Itachi story, make the insanity of ten tails to kaguya worthwhile
>>282533131Thanks.
>>282540886Second part meant for>>282534999
>>282536778what's the implication of Sasori being able to swap body like that? Is his fighting body maybe not his real body at all but just a random puppet he made that he stuck his heart into? Does he have multiple puppet-bodies to switch between depending on how he feels like fighting? For all we know the puppet he just transferred his heart into actually is his original body
>>282541016Who cares
>>282541016If Sasori wasn’t a retard he would have been a genuine menace in Shippuden. If he focused on stealth and assassinations. Instead he dies fight 1 against an old lady and Sakura.
>>282541610>If [character] wasn’t a retard he would have been a genuine menaceMany such cases
>>282532784>>282532815I thought Naruto fell off a lot later than this...Was this better in the anime?
>>282542380Pretty sure this was one of the most painfully slow fights in the anime
>>282542380Naruto is always better in the anime because at least we're spared from suffering Kishimoto's paneling.>but fillerThe writing quality of the filler is about the same, if not superior, to the shit Kishimoto writes.
>>282542508But in the manga we're spared from Pierrot's tragic pacing. It should take you 160 minutes to watch this fight from beginning to start while skipping the OP and ED of every episode. Pretty much the same length as Dune 2. Not to mention the absurd anime-only sequences like Konohamaru handling his own on taijutsu against Jigokudo.
>>282532228Thread soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzbX_ZQtWK4https://youtu.be/Uz2CUU3AZZY?list=PLRW80bBvVD3UYtLRlQF3VPJbAJbB0JjgZ
>>282542677I don't care.You cannot understand how much I despise Kishimoto's "artistic" skill as a mangaka.
>>282542380>>282542429>>282542508>>282542768The fight in the anime was shit with pacing until Sasori revealed his puppet formThen we got one the best directed, animated, and paced episodes in years culminating in the end of this chapterThe manga feels so minimal compared to that now
>>282540620Dunno if you had that in mind but Pain's VA voiced Raiden in the jap dub.
>>282542914I disagree but I respect a true hater's position.
>>282542768It clicked for me when that moment of Naruto dodging Kakashi's shurikens mid-air was presented in obnoxious slow-mo. I felt personally offended by that shit.
>>282542380The anime was even worse. The game version via Storm 2 was pretty cool though. Vast improvement.
>>282543614>The games have perfect pacing>better animation that the anime>more content without a thousand chapters/episodes of filler>more fleshed out characters>explore the worldbuilding moreAre the games the best way to experience Naruto?I have a friend who really hates both the anime and the manga of One Piece, has never seen/read neither but knows everything about jus by playing a bunch of OP games, so much so that the OP fans don't realize it.
>>282543695The issue with the games is that they skip some details and nuance. It's mostly just an interactive speed watch of the series.
>>282543771>they skip some details and nuanceThe gloss over the immense genius of Shikamaru instead of dedicating entire speeches and whole chapters about it, I guess.
Lots of curry itt....
>>282542380>Was this better in the anime?The fight was very well animated, but the moment of impact was off screened as well.
>>282540908What's troublesome about Asuma and Kurenai there?
>>282534943what is this?
>>282543922What's that supposed to mean?
>>282543695Actually important moments like Minato vs Tobi, Madara vs Alliance, Kakashi vs Obito etc were done much better in the anime.
>>282540620>You damn WHITEYE!>Insert Hinata getting punted away
>>282544077Any kind of negativity towards mangaka or OP, i assume.
Is this... music...?
>>282544702My brother in Buddha, WHAT the fuck is that supposed to mean?
WHERE IS SASUKEEEEEEEEE!?!?!
>>282540908>mfw too smart for marriage>I hate my wifeShikamaru really is Kishi's self insert neh?
...Yes... Indeed, a peculiar smell...
>>282533872why are granny's puppets so much stronger?
>>282535368Because the latter "reveal" was made up on the spot, like the shit about Obito/Tobi mimicking Madara, it doesn't make the he also acts like a retard when only Zetsu Is present 'cause Zetsu knows what's going on, of course. What is it, Obito is a method actor that never breaks character?
>>282544702>>282544983>>282545025What causes this?
Is Suna the designated shitting village?
>>282544077Just one of the few no-life's that has made these threads their entire social interaction in life. Has some racist obsession with indians
>>282540620>No more will kids die in blood sports they call "Exams", for the entertainment of the eiliteUnironically the reason people die in the exam is each others entertainment, no match required killing.This is because Naruto is an idealistic story in a darker world, so the message fails becausethe entire system by the root is corrupt, while the story pretends only few are (Zetsu and Danzo).Truth is that people are indoctrinated in tons of different ways, and despite the damage control Kishi tried to do even he didn't manage to make those two the only guilty of everything wrong, so we have horrors like the Hyuga or the situation with Gaara that show things should change, but because the "system is good" they never do.
>>282546306I wonder if all the edge/death in the Chunin exams was partially from copying the Hunter exams from Hunter x Hunter.
>>282546087Don't group me with that guy please.
>>282535368Zetsu liked Nagato because he was a strict but fair boss of Akatsuki. He hates Uchihas cause they have a raging god complex. Madara and Obito are the bosses son while Kaguya went to the spa. The fact that Obito killed Konan who could give Kaguya massive jugs might have something to do with it. Uchihas are drama queens and Madara was becoming a tranny.
>>282546415Doubt that, considering before he already had land of waves and after he had Oro forcing all his prisoners to kill each other and possess the winner, while also enslaving/indoctrinating kids.
>>282546578Zetsu likes the uchiha, in the sense that Indra is his chosen pawns.
>>282545123quality over quantity
>>282546792plus Sasori is a fucking retard. idc how good you think you are, no way you are fighting properly while controlling so many puppets
>>282546833Sasori sucks at fighting now that he doesn't have a brain anymore.
>>282543070Raiden from Mortal Kombat?
>>282547094This is a Metal Gear Revengeance reference, so that Raiden
>>282547094No, Raiden from Genshin Impact
>>282502937There is something that I find really cool about this. Like, I don't want to see arcs centered around each and every one of these countries, but I still really like the thought that they exist for world building (I know the map is fanmade, but most of these places were mentioned in specific Naruto stories).
>>282546306I maintain that the only reason Hyuga weren't revealed to be manipulated by either Zetsu or Danzo is because that would mean involving them in the plot kek.
>>282547282In hindsight an arc that explored the Hyuga's internal conflict, with Zetsu secretly instigating the branch, would have made sense, it would have given Hinata and Neji an arc, while allowing Zetsu to foreshadow his true intentions.
>>282536357Mitos cute feet
>>282546087It's the result of never going outside and having meaningful human interactions
>>282547539Why would Zetsu give a shit about the Hyugas?
>>282548564Why would he give a shit about the Uchiha? He chose randomly one among the clan with kekkei genkai descendent from SOSP to be Indra preselection.
>>282548564Because they're one of Konoha's great clan, descended by Kaguya, his entire point is perpetuating the wars and hatred, to the point he bragged about being ninja history.
>>282545123They are made by the first puppet master, anything modern is necessarily an embarrassment if you compare them
>>282548696Didn't he specifically need the Ashura and Indra reincarnates to resurrect Kaguya or some shit
>>282546833I can't even guess how sakura can anticipate the moves by watching the fingers of guys who can do that
>>282545123probably Monzaemon cells or something
>>282548938Nta but I don't think so, he needs the jinchuuriki of the ten tails
>>282549057Only a Rinnegan wielder can become the jinchuuriki of the ten tails and only someone with both Indra and Asura chakra can awaken the Rinnegan.
>>282549017probs because his trying to give 100 puppets commands at the same time slowing everything down kek
>>282545123The materials are probably just very rare. Wood, ivory and stuff with supernatural properties that give the puppets weird powers.
>>282549017Don't worry, that's still less impressive than Shikamaru watching Tayuya's fingers as she plays the flute.
>>282549173Yes but even before why did sasori move his fingers if a genin with no idea of how you move a puppet can anticipate his movements if the strings work more like telekinesis >>282549249While not knowing anything about music
>>282549126You can probably do this without having rinnegan under very weird and unlikely circumstances. Like if six paths sage Naruto absorbed the gedo statue he'd pop into a 10 tails jinchuriki by virtue of having all 9 tailed beast chakra inside him along with the statue and it would be without the divine bloom, so no Kaguya's will trying to overwrite you.
>>282536822Thanks Sasori
>>282549568I don't think it is possible without the Rinnegan. The jutsu that lets you do it is granted by the Rinnegan.
>>282549730Damn, I guess Naruto is gonna have to implant Sasuke's blind eyes and awaken the rinnegan.
There's too much negativity in these threads. Everybody say 3 nice things about this series to balance it out.
>>282532730>>282532784>>282532815He saw what was happening and just stood there and took it? lmao
>>282550211Bro was perception blitzed by his grandma.
>>2825500581. It has great designs and ideas for powers.2. I like the elemental system it had going on. I wish it got introduced much earlier tho. Combining basic elements into more unique elements is sick.3. It has endearing side characters that you wish you could see more of.
>>2825500581. Part 1 Gaara is the probably the best character in the series. 2. Nearly every intro and ending song from the anime are top notch. 3. Hinata.
>>282550365>HinataStop being a coomer
>>282550365>HinataKeep being based
>>282550431Neji, then. Idk why but I just really like the Hyugas. Too bad they were completely wasted.
>>2825500581) Great chara design that mixes a buch of stuff that don't make sense together and yet it just works, like military aesthetics, classic shinobi fashion, kabuki and noh theatre garbs etc etc in a very unique way2) Kishimoto is a really good illustrator, like he's completely dogshit at being a mangaka but he's actually very good at drawing and can create good compositions as stand alone illustrations, and that's enough to capture how cool and mysterious the setting is3) the idea of Naruto, a reality of secret wars and missions between rival nations that employ shinobi with mystical power with their own secretive culture and lore that live a bushido-like style of life where they are born to serve their all-powerful Daimyo masters, is super cool, you really want to learn more about this world so foreign to our own
>>282550486>I just really like the HyugasThy're the only aspect of Konoha outside of the Uzumaki & Uchiha that received any sort of proper backstory and extensive worldbuilding before everything got left behind for Uchiha autism and random stuff being all related to Naruto.
>>2825500581. I can enjoy the high points repeatedly through different mediums, the anime has superior fancuts and there's good games and just all kinds of media that still gets put out.2. The dumb and awkward parts of the franchise are enjoyable too because of the memes.3. These characters have given me unending faps for over 20 years especially now with chatbots and AI slop.
>>282551012>ignoring the honorable Sarotobi clanthe monke will rise again!
>>282550947This
Danzo as a secret Hyuga, good idea or shillfic-tier?
>>282552138Hyuga>join the village an indeterminate time after its founding but are never associated with the warring states period>moon dweller's bastards decided to set up shop I guess>they used their byakugan to read the Uchiha stone tablet and want to subvert Uchiha domination>Danzo as a salty Hyuga branch member tries to elevate the hyuga clan and his own station by getting the Uchiha taken out>combines the powers of three potent bloodlines in his own physiology, hoping to reach the ultimate dojutsu before Madara, who he assumes has a mangekyo.It pretty much only has merit if you want the hyuga to be what Tobirama thought the Uchiha were.
>>282540620But what if my dream is to have kids die in exams?
>>282552440>It pretty much only has merit if you want the hyuga to be what Tobirama thought the Uchiha wereIt would be incredible tho>It was the other dojutsu niggers all along!screamed Edo Tobirama realizing his mistake
>>282552138And is the secret leader of the Akatsuki
>>282553272That's Teuchi though.
Hash's dream was supposed to just be a starting point, not an endgame. The problem is they entrenched in a bunch of other nonsense due to fear of Madara and the 2nd's cia-tier paranoia. Ultimately though if you want to go in Hash's -> Naruto's direction you have to think about the role of clans and shinobi in the big picture of the world, which the story never really does since shinobi are just the current form of a never ending history of war merchants and there's no thought whatsoever into how they transition to a peaceful world
>>282553451>a school where kids can train and grow up strongerI like how he never considers eliminating the child soldier programming in the first place, just making so that the future child soldiers of his village are stronger than the child soldiers that will try to kill them and instead will die by the hands of his own child soldiers>assign missions that fit an individual abilities and strenghtslol it almost random how people are assigned to missions>have superiors who can properly assign ranks to commissionsThe Leaf info gathering is horrendous and the ranks are retarded>It'll be a place where kids won't have to be sent into harsh battlefrontNIGGA
>>282553451>This page>GO MY GENINS, GO OUT AND DIE AGAINST OROCHIMARU'S ELITE BODYGUARDS THAT BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF OUR JONIN THIS VERY MORNING!
>>282553640>go on genin mission>die to an ambush on the road (oops the ranking system is bullshit)
>>282553671Not to be the devil's advocate, but this particular mission was due to the client lying.Of course, this means that Konoha's intel gathering is dogshit and they believe whatever bullshit the client tells them.
>>282553610>never considers eliminating the child soldier programming in the first placewell yeah that's generally how progress works. You aren't going to instantly go from children meatshields to no children at all. It takes steps>lol it almost random how people are assigned to missionsthe genin/chunin/jounin structure is pretty consistent but there will always be exceptions or dire situations>The Leaf info gathering is horrendous and the ranks are retardednot really >NIGGAbetter than it was
>>282553451>small child randomly explains his fantasy of creating a complex social system that apparently has never existed beforeKek, this dialogue feels so forced.
The biggest issue is that we never get a consistent level of the kind of shit that constitutes an A/S rank mission. For Hidan/Kakuza arc Tsunade saw it fit to send a squad of three chunnins and one jonin against a pair that had taken down a jinchiruki with full control of their tailed beast. Rescuing the Kazekage from people who had just decimated the Sand? Two squads. Three jonin and four chunnin. Retreiving the last Uchiha from the dude who a few months prior had sacked your village, killed your hokage, and whose goons nearly killed two jonin and had fended off ANBU during the invasion? Just throw a bunch of genins at the problem. >>282554044It's extremely unnatural.
>>282553937>It takes stepsNo steps are ever taken, even after a decade of Naruto being Hokage, to actually confront the Daimyo about this or to just outright putting an age limit on the whole "going into battle" thing. You cannot be sent on a mission outside of the Village if you're under 16, or something like that, done, I've solved the child soldier problem.>the genin/chunin/jounin structure is pretty consistentKakashi was a fucking Jounin during the Third war and he was completely, totally not ready to be, Obito and Rin were fucking Chuunin and both were embarassing>not reallyNobody fucking knows about anything in that village>better than it wasNothing changed
>>282554044Is this the most "and then everybody clapped" page that Kishi ever drew?It's equivalent of making a comic book about a super invincible god on Earth, like Superman, and in his backstory you make him go as a child>we'll make a country where man and women are equal, workers are not exploited, the state doesn't spy on its citizens etcIt's not what's said that's the problem, it's how absurd and preachy and clearly the author showing the audience how amazing his super good guy is
I'm jumping waaaaay ahead of this but, if the sand protecting him was due to his mothers love, protecting him from danger automatically, isn't it weird that it's not doing it....right now? Fighting back, trying to take Gaara away from his kidnappers?
>>282554139>No steps are ever takenBoruto is written like shit even moreso than Naruto so there's no point in arguing about it. Prior to him there was always a crisis that needed more fodder for the war machine and even then it was able to get to Naruto's generation where it's teens/preteens doing stuff instead of children. The main point was you can't institute radical changes to systems and expect to succeed. It has to be incremental unless you're completely starting from scratch >Kakashi was a fucking Jouninstandards change and evolve. Yesterday's married couple is today's sick crime>Nobody fucking knows about anything in that villagethey knew as much as any other village and there's a lot of compartmentalization due to the nature of the job/world >Nothing changedexcept a lot. Saying nothing changed from Hash's era's to Naruto's is straight up wrong
>>282554323Wow it's almost as if everything about Karura in Shippuden is fucking stupid.It's nice for Gaara but I'll never forgive Kishimoto for insisting the woman who died cursing her unwanted demon spawn definitely loved her son for real, just like every other mother in Naruto.
>>2825500581.Good world2.Good powers3.the protagonist is a whore
>>282554547come on dude let garra have something nice about his past
>>282554547Actual Harry Potter writing lmao
>>2825543231. Kishi didn't invent that yet2. That wold have been too interesting of an obstacle for the art duo to tackle
>>282554438>they knew as much as any other village and there's a lot of compartmentalization due to the nature of the job/worldThe anbu didn't know how their previous hokage looked like, the Uchiha massacre wasn't even treated like common knowledge early on.
>>282554438>The main point was you can't institute radical changes to systems and expect to succeed. It has to be incremental unless you're completely starting from scratchI don't understand why the Kage don't have a meeting and say>we're tired of killing each other, if every ninja stops obeying the Daimyo they'll have to listen to our wish to stop sending children to dieThe political situation when Naruto is Hokage, where every other Kage is basically alive due to his sacrifice and every ninja in the world knows this, is the best possible moment to do it>standards change and evolveNeji is currently a Jounin, there is no standard>they knew as much as any other villageThere are a milion examples of intel gathering being abysmal, hell one of their most dangerous rogue ninja took part in the Chuunin Exam and nobody noticed until he killed the Hokage, and he wasn't very subtle>Saying nothing changed from Hash's era's to Naruto's is straight up wrongI believe more people have died after Hashirama's era, even just because he gave away nukes to everyone that have been used to kill a lot more people
>>282554952>the Uchiha massacre wasn't even treated like common knowledge early onWait, is this true or just Naruto being retarded and not knowing it? Or most people, even Sakura, being clueless about it?
>>282554323I feel like Shukaku not doing ANYTHING is more egregious than that.
>>282554547Completely ruins his character desu. Gaara was cool because everyone hated him and wanted him dead and he still rose above all that to become the leader of the village. He is literally a better written version of Naruto. Retconning that his family secretly loved him just weekends the impact.
>>282555017More so that kishimoto hadn't really thought about what Itachi did until the end of land of waves.
>>282554438>preteens doing stuff instead of childrenAnon, preteens are children.
Gaara should have a sand susanoo
>>282554692But that shits on the whole premise of his character for no reason. It also tries to somewhat redeem Rasa but it fails miserably because he's still an incredibly shitty father.
>>282555198Wait, let him cook
>>282555195>had no idea what the fuck was going on in his own plot>already decided that Itachi was secretly a good guy who was forced by circumstances (lol) to do "something bad"Every little thing I discover about this manga lowers my opinion of Kishimoto even more
>>282554323The author will never stop flip flopping on where the authomatic defense come from, it isn't a coincidence Shukaku brags about having the best defense out of all the tailed beasts.
>>282555322>the best defense out of all the tailed beasts>still gets oneshotted by Hashirama like every other TBwow, amazing defencem very impressive
>>282536903Deidara evaded and outran Guy, Rock Lee, Neji, Tenten and Kakashi without his arms. He's actually very slippery and thinks fast on his feet.
>>282554979>the Kageare war merchants by nature. All this fighting stuff was happening before the villages and Daimyo influence. It was always the natural state of the world that the Sage -> Naruto tried to change which leads to...>The political situation when Naruto is Hokageis poorly written and it's pointless to try to analyze it. The ninja stuff was already becoming vestigial by the last chapter of Naruto, but they had to make a sequel that needed ninja drama so you kick up much of the old ninja stuff that should have been put to bed or kick up new drama that doesn't make much sense in context>Neji is currently a JouninNeji is top 10 in the village>intel gathering being abysmalit's not. Every failing you put on the leaf you can point to any other village except maybe the lightning. Oro was elite to the point where the sand didn't even notice he'd been Kazekage for a month>I believe more people have died after Hashirama's erathat's arguing against what Kishi wrote. Word of God said things got better even if they were still bad
>>282542380The Anime did a lot of heavy lifting.
How would the Naruto the series be like if Gaara was the protagonist? Reason why he is there aside, could he work with Sakura and Sasuke as a trio for Par1?
>>282555540>Neji is top 10 in the villageLOLLMAO
>>282555577He's too bloodlusted and evil, there is no one to balance the team.
>>282555540>All this fighting stuff was happening before the villages and Daimyo influenceBecause you invoked Word of God, this is opposite of what Kishi wrote: the Daimyo were always there, only there were a thousand small countries that hired shinobi as war fodders, and later those smaller states conquered each other and became the Five Great Nations, nowhere it's written what you said>The ninja stuff was already becoming vestigial by the last chapter of NarutoAbsolutely false, they're still under Daimyo's will>Neji is top 10 in the villageAHAHAHA>Every failing you put on the leaf you can point to any other villageYes, everyone in Naruto is still at info gathering, this is someone that has been pointed out a lot in these dailies, nobody seems to know nothing, not even what happens in their own village>that's arguing against what Kishi wroteProblem is, what Kishi says and what he shows are polar opposites
>>282555577No he is too lonely and neither of them would attempt enough to get closer maybe kakashi would push them more or unironically haku but it's very difficult
The fight is just way better in game lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nru-YFcrLbk
>>282555577>How would the Naruto the series be like if Gaara was the protagonist?In this schizo scenario where Gaara is forced by Suna to go for a while to Konoha and gets put in Team 7 instead of Naruto, he curbstomps everything, there's nothing in Part 1 story up until Kimimaro that Gaara cannot just rape without moving a fingerGreat narrative
>>282555665start of part 2>Danzo>Jiraiya>Guy>Tsunade>Kakkashi>Neji>Yamamoto>Shino's dad>Toothpick >Choji's dad
>>282554068The answer is simple: Kakashi is already a jonin and jonin is meant to be basically "the teachers" rank, just short of Kage. So Kishimoto is sending a shitton of genin/chuunin on missions that would warrant jonins and more because that's what his characters are and he would have to invent more high ranked characters (pic related) for that
>>282555665Who else is there at the time of the Kazekage arc? >Tsunade>Shizune>Kakashi>Guy>Asuma>maybe Kurenai>maybe DanzoThere are also other jonins like Shikamaru's dad or Hiashi but we never get to see how strong they are.
>>282555878Neji is not stronger than Yamato.
>>282555807Naruto Storm is just way better in its execution than the anime in a lot of ways
>>282555823What about Orochimaru in the forest?
>>282555930he would fold that scrub. Like 80% of the story can't happen if Neji is near
>>282555807>In game he just skips fucking around with his puppet body and just summons 100 puppets and fights along side themkek
>>282555978Okay, Gaara cannot beat one of the strongest characters in the setting, other than him?
>>282555978Nta but it depends, if he fight like against rock lee oro wins, if he fight like with kimimaro or deidara it's harder, but because of orochimaru's role he would probably win
>>282555998I'm pretty sure Yamato is perceived as stronger than Neji right now. It doesn't matter the "feats", Kishimoto wouldn't put him above, just like he wouldn't put Naruto above Yamato.
>>282555978Oro is honestly all hype and speculation. He just has no feats beyond being hard to kill and edo tensei. I'm not even sure how he hurts Gaara
>>282555998>80% of the story can't happen if Neji is nearTheoretically he counters the entire magic system of the setting, the feats he shows in the few battles he has scales perfectly because are not about power, are about just negating everything that 99% of any other ninja can even think of doing, in practice Kishi is a moron and this never comes up
>>282556168He's hard to killHe has a swordHe's kinda tricky with taijutsu? Like he can expend parts of his body and shitthat's it
>>282555998Not to mention hawks eye view of the entire battlefield. Even if he doesn't fight, he can find anyne for his teammates.
>>282555823>>282556066There's also Itachi and Kisame.
>>282550058>3 nice thingsI'm feeling lazy so I'll just condense it into one big point and say that looking back at it, Naruto really does have some phenomenal iconography that's just oozing with charm from start to finish; the hand seals to cast jutus, the village symbols on the forehead protectors, the clan symbols, the Shairingan tomoe, the Akatsuki cloaks, the cool masks on guys like Haku and Tobi, etc., even for all it's flaws as a story it honestly feels like Naruto has some of the most fully-realized visual direction of any shonen, like it fully captures the aesthetic it wants.
>>282556168>I'm not even sure how he hurts GaaraGaara is vulnerable to genjutsu and lightning ninjutsu. >muh ShukakuOro probably has some sealing jutsu he can use to suppress Shukaku like he did with Kurama in the forest. Even if Shukaku awakens, Manda will probably be able to deal with him.
>>282556105>>282556168Oro knocked out four-tails Naruto with a single punch and didn't faze against chakra-infused punches from Tsunade, his physical strenght is above post-op Lee, so Gaara will get fuckedCan regenerate, can emit poison (gg), and if really wants he can summon Manda against Gaara's Kaiju or become the Kaiju himself with Eight Branches Technique
>>282556066Unironically Tayuya counters him pretty hard, because of the disparity in power he wins anyway, unless he's as dumb as when he fought against Sasuke, but they could finangle something.
>>282550058It really feels like there isn't any other anime that gives off the same vibes that Naruto (part 1 at least) does. Even when I watch modern popular shounen like Demon Slayer or JJK, they can't give off the same type of feels that early Naruto did.
>>282556238Ok, Part 1 Gaara cannot beat any of the Akatsuki, not that any among Team 7 could, but every other obstacle?Like, Land of Waves is a joke, Chuunin Exam is a joke if Oro doesn't want to kill him
>>282556316Sorry but I can't see orochimaru beat the sand tsunamis he uses with kimi and deidara
>>282556365Bro Oro might lose both of his arms fighting Gaara before he gets to fight Hiruzen.
>>282556316>Oro knocked out four-tails Naruto with a single punchNever happened>didn't faze against chakra-infused punches from TsunadeHe got oneshotted. First punch landed and he got downed. You're thinking of the anime.
>>282556432>>282556433Anons do you remember that Gaara was defeated by a Sasuke who was far weaker than the sound 4? His effectiveness and capability varies entirely on the needs of the story.
>>282555772>nowhere it's written what you saidthe whole basis of the story/setting is that humanity is in never ending war that predates shinobi; shinobi are just the current form of it. You can't lay the blame at the feat of the Daimyo for all of that, or maybe you can but that's not how it's framed. It's also heavily implied that the Daimyo get used and manipulated all throughout this era. At worst it's a give and take relationship that doesn't really go off the rails until Boruto for drama which shouldn't be discussed. The role the daimyo had in this story was entirely superfluous outside of titles so it's crazy to try and elevate them
>>282556467Gaara was defeated by plot. If he just fought normally Sasuke would have tired himself out like a minute later
>>282556467Yes I was also saying if he uses tsunamis and drown orochimaru instead of moving a pound of sand
>>282556365Yeah. Haku would especially be bad, since it'd probably be the same as that Rain guy from the forest that tried to fight him with needles. Neji would likely be the closest match. I imagine the gentle fist would counter Gaara's sand defense, but the fight would probably go down like Gaara vs Sasuke, where Gaara freaks out after taking damage, starts transforming (and getting extra chakra from his bijuu to restore the damage from the gentle fist like Naruto did) and then overwhelms him with brute force.
Remember when Itachi one-shot Orochimaru? Remember when he did it again to the giant snake hydra and absorbed his soul?
>>282556602That shouldn't have happened. Both times was bullshit.
>>282556533He would probably summon a snake to shield him from the sand and then get out of the sand. This Gaara glazing is pretty retarded lol.
>>282556451>Never happenedYou're right, I remembered differently, he did punch him1/2
>>282556513That happens to everyoneKishimoto just writes whatever the fuck he wants
>>282556478>The role the daimyo had in this story was entirely superfluous outside of titles so it's crazy to try and elevate themThey're the reason why the shinobi need to keep up the child soldier program in the first place, you can't just handwave it away
>>282556622I'll say the second time is fine because turning yourself into a giant stationary target is stupid when facing Itachi's bullshit oneshot blade. A faster smaller target would be able to fuck with Itachi but not this
>>282556587>Neji would likely be the closest match. I imagine the gentle fist would counter Gaara's sand defenseNeji counters anything unless it's 100 physical and not magically controlled by chakra
>>282556513Do you mean exactly like he did with Lee? Gaara's power is simply inconsistent.
>>282556670>>282556451But he can do this to Gaara if needed, and 4TailsNaruto is stronger than Part1Gaara
Neji loses to Sakon/Ukon
>>282556647I agree that he shouldn't win but orochimaru doesn't have the best showings and gaara at his best it's absurd. Probably it's also that I have an hard time visualizing someone blocking sand
>>282546677i don't think twisting the son of your halfbreed brother who killed your mom is a sign of liking lmaohe liked that indra's line was predisposed to emotional problems and gained power at the expense of their sanity. he basically just liked that they were easy to use (literally all it took was a bit of nudging and editing a stone tablet). there's nothing but disdain for them as a people, which is why they're so easy to use
>>282556622T. Kimmimaro
>>282556714I was more thinking of the totsuka blade being a thing Itachi has
>>282556735Yeah I put this as "he has a sword"Oro still beats Gaara, especially part 1 (part 2 is debatable). It's not even close
>>282556758Amaterasu would probably be just as bad unless Oro can just shed his skin or something (you know he just would, jobber flames cannot win)
>>282556731Lee was noted to have much better stamina than Sasuke and his whole problem in the fight was he couldn't land a real blow so he went for a gamble with the gates. Frankly that Lee beats Sasuke too. Hell he beats everybody else except Gaara and Neji
>>282550486it's okay they get to breed with the goat to create two even more goated offspring...... also they're aliens?
>>282556754>all it took was a bit of nudging and editing a stone tabletNaruto is a story about a big Wikipedia edit war among autist admins
>>282551217desu they gotta make mirai able to summon monke King enma, and bring the good name of kurenai out of the maternal dirt
>>282554068not only that, but the weakest jonin lmao. sends out like 20 squads, but instead of having them work in teams of 2 squads, leaves them all to fend for themselves. shikamaru, being so smart, should really be able to recognize just how much his father figure's death is entirely tsunade's fault. at least if she was sending guy or kakashi you can expect some level of hacks
Why did they just watch him fly away with Gaara T_T
>>282557016Naruto has no ranged option but Kakashi could have thrown a fucking Katon
>>282557131they all have kunai and shuriken. He has to leave the cave, which they're standing in front of, too
>>282557131Naruto could have filled that cave with his clones and block the exit.
>>282556979>should really be able to recognize just how much his father figure's death is entirely tsunade's faultAuthority figures are never at fault in Naruto, only the field soldiers. This is the opinion of the field soldiers themselves, which is so retarded it makes me question if Kishi has ever read a book about war in his life
>>282557178>>282557189Look it just works okay? I have to make rent
>>282556847desu they never explain how zetsu, who definitively lacks both sharingan and rinne, could even read the tablet that was only legible w each successive statehe might be Otsutsuki but he didn't have so6p eyes, so how could he read what was written only for those eyes? i wish there was any chance to explain a single power he had beyond being cunning. like i think he can essentially absorb things?
>>282557208everything about black zetsu is fucking stupid
>>282557195>also the authority figures pretend they are responsible for literally everything, except when they clearly misjudged a situation and caused someone's deathkage really are the best shinobi
>>282557253>black son of single white mother wants only to merge with mommy and kill his brothers, and maybe help mommy kill her white familywdhmbt?
>>282557195it's pretty obvious he hasn't and this applies to more topics in the series which is why he somehow thinks leaders are stuck doing endless amounts of paperwork aka the biggest and most useless waste of important and powerful people's time
>>282555878>>282555922Hiashi has giant fuck-off air palm so he's automatically stronger than Neji.
>>282557410yes there's no way Neji surpassed Hiashi "the masterplan"
>>282557016Everything about Naruto is just emotional cuckoldry and watching your favourite characters eat shit. Good or bad, everyone's getting cucked.
>>282557016Oh yea and Chiyo does fuck all when this happens. Just stand to the side so they can escape. She could have easily intercepted Deidara with her Puppets.
>>282557476Not everything
>>282557459*masterpalm
>>282557520It's actually the best possible move for our heroes because Deidara alongside Sasori could be totally unmanageable
>>282557530but nagato is my favorite character......>>282557476it's cuckolding with payoff. get to watch misery and failure knowing you're gonna come out on top in the end. a 700 episode+ gooning sesh
>>282556263I'm no expert but a lot of stuff in Naruto is ripped directly from Japanese mythology/folklore. The ninja hand signs, Jiraiya, Orochi, Tsunade, etc.
>>282557577Isn't deidara out of clay?
>>282557727Actually yeah, I'm not sure what Deidara is supposed to do right now if his bird is taken out. He can kind of hold his own in taijutsu I guess? Like he's fast and tanky but that's it
>>282557750Evidently he never learned jutsu except for the forbidden one he stole from his village
>>282557789Why would he bother learning anything other than the nukes he can casually produceDeidara is fucking insane. Imagine an entire village full of Deidaras. Konoha is cooked
>>282557520If she did this to him >>282532284
>>282557789Only total psycho with broken minds learn multiple jutsu, the more immoral you are, the more omnilearned you want to beOrochimaru, Hiruzen, Tobirama etc
>>282557831I mean she has to summon the puppets for that, but honestly why didn't she summon jackshit before entering the fucking Akatsuki lair?
>>282557832SANEraiya
>>282557818The clay consumption would be really fast, from what I remember in filler it was explained he uses a rare one from lands near mud release users
>>282557832Learning Jutsu is supposed to be hard, but that's understated because we get the pov of geniuses
>>282557831>>282557851Nah, we can go even simpler than that. Just attach some strings to the bird and make it fall down.
>>282557851There's also how to give a chapter to sakura she didn't do anything for the entirety of it while she still had her ten best puppet
>>282557890But we usually get the POV of Naruto, who only uses 3 techniques over the course of the series.
>>282557941Naruto learns and technically invented one of the most difficult techniques in the series. In general he can do damn near anything once it's explained in a way he understands. He's one of the biggest geniuses in the series, he just has a learning quirk
>>282557890The problem is that most people apparently learn more jutsu during the accademy than they will ever do after
>>282558058>In general he can do damn near anything once it's explained in a way he understandsMore like once he can actually be fucking bothered to try.
>>282557890>>282558072The problem is that Kishimoto implied there was a whole "teaching and learning" system but 95% of the time he just wanted to write "Character A can do THIS thing, Character B can do THAT thing" without bothering to make this fit the power system.
>>282557941He is a genius>Kage Bushi in half an afternoon>Imperfect Rasengan in two weeks when it took Minato three years, better Rasengan in the same time>very little time to learn Perfect Sage Mode, which is impossibly hard to do
>>282558058How many jutsu did asuma use?
>>282558116>very little time to learn Perfect Sage Mode, which is impossibly hard to doYou can try to explain this one due to necessity, his teacher died, his village was threatened and the strongest guy in the world was coming for his ass. He also had his teacher's book to read for extra motivation. It's like go go go just do it
>>282558089or maybe the school taught it wrong! It's like 100 year AF (after founding) and they still don't have classes for the specially abled
>>282558058yeah throughout anime it's also said and occasionally shown that he can do all nature releases, including kekkai genkai rasengan (magnet and lava from tailed beasts)he's more just bought into a single fighting style and not the most intelligent guy possible. plus his style is very fit for his impossibly vast chakra. no reason to learn fireball when you can make literally 200x as many shadow clones as a kage level normie, and give em all giant rasengan, itself another jutsu literally only possible for him
>>282558058>Combining a change in nature with a change in form takes incredible skill...or rather, natural talent and intuition Why can't Kishimoto let his protagonist achieve something through persistence and hard work without this caveat that he's super special and just naturally predisposed to success?
>Knows 1000+ jutsus. Never seems to have a useful jutsu for when it matters most.
>>282558157>The one time Naruto locked in he became the strongest man alive in a couple of weeksI hate this manga
>>282558244To be fair he was already supposed to be stronger than Kakashi in the Kakuzu arc (even though he didn't really seem to be)
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>>282558242He's like Frieren, he knows a 1000+ jutsu that are all tricks and nothingburgers, he collects them like grimoires, it's his gimmick>Pasta Bending Jutsu>Find My Keys Jutsu>Change The Broken Shoestring Jutsu>Find The Best Apple Sales Jutsu
>>282557208>he might be Otsutsuki but he didn't have so6p eyes, so how could he read what was written only for those eyes?He used his Mangekyou Byakugan, dude.
>>282558242Why didn't he learn Jiraiya's shit?
Is Kakashi secretly a jobber
>>282558332>secretlyWho's gonna tell him
>>282558217in this case it's just the truth. Grinding works for the known but when you venture beyond it takes some natural feel/intuition on top of the grind and to his credit that's what actually happened in this situation. Naruto getting the grinding cheat is still a big deal
>>282558161On one hand the students learn most of their jutsu on the other there's this
>>282558331You can't copy Sage Mode techniques
>>282558332Take away his sharingan and what does he have?FUCKING NOTHING
>>282558374He could summon some frogs
>>282558217Because then we woul have to believe no one ever attempted to learn it
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>>282558321>Mangekyou ByakuganStop, I can only hate Kishi so much for not doing anything with the Hyuga
>>282558242>>282558331Please understand his father ddied before teaching him and learning a fighting style from yor mentor is frowned upon
>>282558242Meet Potential Man
>>282557208He may have possessed someone capable of reading it
>>282558321tfw he has tenseigan and still loses to teenage chojuro
>>282558058>>282558089So much for "muh Naruto was always an underdog".
>>282558362>natural feel/intuitionGenetics. If Usain Bolt never trained he would have never run as fast as he could, but if anyone ever tried to train as hard as he did NOBODY could have ever run as fast as he did.Point is, every "genius" is born with better genetic, but then they train as hard as the hardest non-gifted to become the best around.This is something Kishimoto cannot understand, if someone is born with perfect genes with, say, chess and then never trains, he may be better by default by some low ELO shitter, but he will never get to the top level unless he breaks his head and studies as hard as possible.Take Jose Raul Capablanca, the guy was a natural born genius who wasn't actually taught how to play chess as a kid, when he was four he was looking at his father playing chess with a friend of his and after a couple of matches he corrected an irregular move his father made, because he LEARNED THE RULES BY WATCHING THE TWO ADULTS PLAY, and after the father was flabbergasted he played against his son, who fucking won.Capablanca was basically Hashirama of chess, and yet it took him untill he was 32 to become world champion, because getting there is fucking hard and you need to train, even if you are born the best around, you gotta make yourself the best yourself.
>>282558268I will make a new thread and dump in about two hours, stuff happened, I'm working. But 274 will be dumped.Apologies for my consistent tardiness this week, but bare with me.
>>282558387Summon are totally different
>>282558540He kinda did this with gai realizing that kakashi put a lot of effort in training
>>282558612And yet Kakashi is a complete joke without the Sharingan
>>282558510he was but not for the reasons people think and that should have been clear from the first goddamn chapter. Underdog also isn't a permanent label
>>282558496Madara was literally the only person between so6p and Sasuke to be able to read the whole thing, and even that he only attained on his deathbedeven MS is pretty much a generational power, and i don't think describes the infinite tsukuyomi-- just the light from dark thing that Madara tells to hashi on his way outhonestly would've just made more sense to have had kaguya hand off her rinne third eye to zetsu as she was sealed, giving him an actual power to defend himself and the ability to comprehend everything hago could dobut that would require having planned ahead about zetsu and kaguya and the like
>>282558630As I said >>282558439 gai had his father, learned his jutsu and became strong thanks to it
>>282558630Kishimoto just stated he was Kage tier after losing his sharingan somehow because he made a new Chidori or somethingbasically don't think too much about it
>>282557131>KatonThat wouldn't do shit.
>>282557890No we don't, Kiba learned two headed wolf in like 2 months and he's nothing to write home about.
>>282558710So Gai is only strong because of his bloodline, if he were not born son of his father he wouldn't have been trained in Gate Taijutsu?
The Average Man
>>282558778It's not about bloodline, it's that no one else has yet understood you can learn things from your mentor an don't have to limit yourself to the signature of your clan
>Damn Kakashi is so strong>Look inside>Sharingan>Sharingan>Sharingan>Sharingan>Copied Guy's taijutsu while he wasn't lookingkek
>>282558712i think the bigger difference is that he no longer has the passive energy drain of sharingan without kekkai. everyone outside of uchiha w sharingan is incredibly easily fatigued, esp if they have to use visual jutsu, bc they can't turn it off (even danzo w his hashirama cells is pretty easily winded in comparison to someone like Obito w similar enhancement)so i think it's considered that Kakashi was benefited by sharingan, but also hampered. he was literally the youngest jonin ever before it, and had developed a s rank move on his own as a child. sharingan was a double edged sword, and he couldn't even use its most valuable abilities, nor the ones he had very well
>>282558824>smarter than ShikamaruI will kill Kishimoto
>>282558802Potential Chuunin Man
>>282558854I'd accept that if he showed something other than Chidori and the occasional Katon
>>282558854>and had developed a s rank move on his own as a childMinato told him Chidori was retarded, and it was, it didn't work, he could only use it because of the Sharingan
>>282558542Thanks man. But I might have to catch it tomorrow in that case.
>>282558712No, that's from a fan wank novel.
Chidori and rasengan are both fucking retarded. JUST STAB THEM WITH A FUCKING KNIFE
>>282558776he becomes a chunin-> Jounin which is very much something to write home about. You have to compare him to baseline ninja not the top tiers. He's not some old man still trying to pass the chunin exams like the average guy
>>282558945basically they're good moves against like... 5-10% of people who can TANK the stabby
>>282558778Daí wasn't gifted with taijutsu talent, it took him 20 years to master all gates and he was a genin all his life.
>>282558945asuma explained this....
>>282558949>he becomes a chunin-> JouninThat's novel shit.
>>282558824That is his schizophrenia regarding ranks, sometimes the jonin is directly better in anything if compared to a genin or chuunin, and other you have shikamaru, sakura's healing ability or gaara untouchability
>>282558870he p consistently uses a very good mud wall and water dragon. but also it's like naruto and rasengan: why ever bother with the small stuff when you have mastery over a way stronger and individual move? especially when you develop it like chidori stream or purple lighting i do agree that having all nature changes, which is shown to be nearly impossibly rare (basically only kakuzu, naruto, sasuke, so6p, madara, nagato, orochimaru (?), and hiruzen (& i guess the actual Tobi, who can also somehow use the fucking buddha statue w Yamato?)can do it), is underutilized, and results in almost nothing of consequence
>>282559035If Jiraiya can make useful setups with vanilla elemental jutsu Kakashi should show more than the occasional mud wall
Would he straight up lose if he didn't use his Sharingan?
>>282559106no but he would have to stab them with his electric knife
>>282558891yeah, but he develops moves from that which aren't reliant on superhuman senses (chidori shd be possible for A too, since it's p much his finger thrust), so it's a necessary stepkinda like an inversion of how rasengan itself is powerful, but it's more valuable for the tiny number of ppl that can develop it further (giant or chakra nature addition)
>>282558824>His arms... We've got to disable them somehow...Tie them up...Real "lungs are vital for hamon user" energy.
Why is Kakashi on fraud watch? What did he do?
>>282559106Pretty much. Do you remember how much of a difference 3 tomoe did for Sasuke against foxruto?
>>282559106
>>282559198Tbf, he was also extra roided up there.
>>282559200>Me picking Lucky Cat on Ante 6 with three Lucky cards in deck
>>282559106Yes.
>>282559198That's kind of retconned by now, you'll never really see that again. In fact Naruto is the one who'll pull a counter on Sasuke in the final battle. It just works basically, or maybe >>282559219>>282559148>What did he do?that's the issue
>>282559148I'll tell you what he didn't do, 1000 jutsu
>>282558403That "golden" byakugan fused Momoshiki had (and didn't do shit with) should've been the next step. Just give it moderately useful powers like absorption or limited telekinesis and have it be prerequisite for Tenseigan.
>>282554547>Wow it's almost as if everything in Shippuden is fucking stupid.Fixed that for you.
>>282559278900 of those jutsus are things like tile shuriken or other party tricks
>>282559278And none of them are "help me catch up to a big flying bird" jutsu
>>282559198>>282559246He wouldn't lose, not to Naruto and especially not to Sakura.
>>282557941We should've got at least a nice one-shot focused on Naruto and Hinata when Kishi was releasing all that stupidity about Sarada doubting her parentage and Naruto getting one-shot by Himawari.
Rinnegan Orochimaru should have been endgame. That is all.
>>282559463pls understand...Kishi's wife was pissed about Hinata winning. Leave it to the doujin artists
>>282559463A full-length chapter, i forgot to add. Basically that special of them going on a date but longer. End with them kissing or fucking to trigger tumblr trannies.
>>282559497Do condoms exist in Konoha?
Do not underestimate me...I have powers!
>>282559618Political powers!
>>282559618Stolen powers, Kakashi sensei
>>282559551We have to assume that the entire Konoha 11 leads sexless lives or practices buttsex if they don't.
Could Kakashi beat Asuma without a Sharingan?
>>282559645maybe the radiation from the Nine-tails attack made them all sterile
>>282559664Asuma the Smoking Dragon!? I-I don’t know…
>>282559645they're ninja. They have all kinds of elixirs and anti-preggo jutsu. It's a shame though because having kids is one of their biggest duties
>bump limit>daily faggot still hasn't dumped the chaptererm
>>282559754They only breed when the Daimyo give them consent>send the order to Konoha>for the next three months it' mating season, then it's back to the chastity cages>I need at least three thousand new child soldiers in the next batch, we're planning a new war soon
Strange how Guy doesn’t have kids. He would seem like the type of dude who would love to train his kid in martial arts.
>>282559767If the thread is above like 400 posts at the usual time he tends to just wait for it to hit limit and die, and only then makes a new one. Even if it makes the dump like 6 hours late.
>>282559810nah that's some bs. After the war there should have been a population boom or at least enough to replace all those lost. The lack of kids is probably more laziness than a plot point
>>282559334At the very least byakugan should've got sharingan's prediction powers along the way. Make it a result of pouring lots of chakra into it, used only as a last resort because it takes away 360° vision or drains too much energy.
>>282532578>>282532601>>282532629Give it to me straight bros, would Hinata make it here?
>>282559392Sakura beat sasori
>>282556743... if he turns off his byakugan and fights standing with with one leg and has an arm behind his back.
>>282558642Why was he one, then?
>>282559819Lee not being Guy's son feels extremely arbitrary, but then again it seems like jonin leaders never have their own kids be part of the genin squad
>>282559975Honestly Sakura can't dodge for shit, I would say Hinata dodges better but she doesn't have unga punches so...
>>282560212Hinata is so shy she dodges the story itself. Sad!
>>282560041And got smacked around by cloud chunin. Her taijutsu is a joke against any non-stationary target.
>>282559834Really? I remember him dumping in threads right about to hit bump limit multiple times.
>>282560102he started off behind and with handicaps he had to overcome. The biggest was probably him being left to meander around while having to figure out shit he didn't understand on his own. That got solved over time, though it makes the entire village particularly the 3rd look dumb and negligent. The story is pretty intentional in that he only started making great strides when people started investing in him
>>282560328I remember the butthurt. Sakura fans seeing her get owned by no names
>>282560212Lion fists gotta count for something right?
>>282560334This time it's probably because the thread quickly hit bump limit (instead of hovering around like 400-450 posts) because we got caught up in powerscaling
>Calling OP "daily faggot" againSasukefag, either talk about the series like a regular person or go have one of your meltdowns on another board. Nobody gives a rat's ass about your desperation to become some kind of quirky personality in Naruto threads.
>>282560401For me, it's when he ESL's "dailys" all the time
>>282559106Could Neji and Lee steal the bell from Kakashi?
>>282560401Except you who can't shut up about him and shits up every thread with useless shit like this>>282560101 How much did he pay you for advertising him, be honest?
>>282560455I bet he also ESLs "currys" lmao
>>282560472I didn't post that. Once again, you're throwing another tantrum because people can easily spot you. Now go away.
Am I hearing.......... music....?
>>282560498I'm not him either. I'm just tired of this >>282560510 clown.
>>282560472>How much did he pay you for advertising himbot moment?
I await DailyGOD to open the next room to his library so we can read some more Kinoruto.
>>282560554You've done this tactic before. Get new material. You've already attacked OP more than once in this thread already. The jig is up.
>mention music>don't even quote anyone>jeet MALDSit's really that easy
Dump will commence now.
You can always tell it's the Sasukeschizo because he's the only one who gets offended by that because it hits too close to home.
Is he seething or shitting?
>Kisame, we’re leaving
>>282560637>page 10>on autosageYou sure?
>>282533884Remember the anime version kept cutting between Sakura/Chiyo fight AND Naruto/Kakashi 'chasing' Deidara as he screamed "GIVE BACK GAARA" all the time AND Team Guy fighting their clones
>>282560561>>282560604>>282560616>>282560644>>282560684Yup, shitting up the thread as usual. Just as i said.
we could use some air freshener around here
>Yup, shitting
>>282560732You're the one shitting up the thread by seething about the OP as usual and refusing to talk normally about the series. You can leave anytime. No one's forcing you to be here.
>>282560616Everyone knows who you are. You're easily as annoying as Sasukefaggot.
It's also funny searching up his usual keywords on /v/ and seeing that even on other boards he physically cannot talk about Naruto in the slightest, he constantly veers off into his retarded indian candyland version of the IP
>tfw sick so I can't actually smell it
>>282560791There's like 2 or 3 posts attacking OP and dozens of these >>282560769 >>282560769
>>282560819>Still trying to deflect and using the typical "you're just ad bad as" phrase to someone.Deadd series. Do you genuinely think nobody can easily pick up your mannerisms?
Konohamaru creampied Hanabi btw
>>282560831Dude outright admits thete that he hates the series and wishes Kishimoto never made it while also wishing that Naruto gets mandatory bans on the site like back then. So much for being a true Narutochad like he used to claim.
>>282560873What mannerisms? Getting annoyed by this >>282560510 idiocy? I know you won't believe me but i don't give a shit about your gay little drama.
Hiashi won
>>282560859All the posts attacking OP are you and those other posts appear because everyone knows it's you. If you don't like these threads and the OP posting the chapters and the people discussing them in here then take the door out on the left.
Frankly, this curry isn't very good...
>>282560873>Deadd seriesMeant *dead serious. I'm tired.
>>282560959I don't give a shit, honestly. If i was him as you claim, do you think i would waste my time arguing instead of actually shitting on OP?
>>282560922>gay little dramaYou've also used this exact phrase before. Holy shit, you are not subtle. The only one causing drama is (You). This happens every single time with you, yet you keep trying to pretend to be some 3rd party. Like I said, do you seriously think nobody notices?
>shitting
/nart/ jobbed like a little bitch and will NEVER come back
>>282561032Yes? You have done this stupid shit before numerous times. Nobody cares about your crackship, your fetish fic, or your "/nart/" general. Your options are to leave or act normal. Your choice.
How did he seduce her?
>>282560710Meant when it prunes, but sure is taking it's sweet time. This is why I'll dump when there's still 400 posts left, but today I'm late.
>>282561085The retard really thinks his diet /dbs/ threads featurimg Naruto were the highlight of Naruto threads. Whenever I look in the archive for a thread from 2024, it's a all garbage posts and obvious samefagging.
>>282561154Why do you wait for it to prune? Once it's autosage it's fine to make a new thread, no?
>>282561154Even weirder because the /dbs/ guys are spamming new threads but this thread is still lingering
>when he sees Dailyramen
>>282561049I didn't give a shit then and I don't give a shit now. You cunts do a better job of derailing the thread than Sasukefag could ever dream of.
>>282561230Yes, calling you out is the same as mass-spamming threads and trying to turn people against the OP. Give me a break, faggot.
>>282561195Because dupe file on the OP, which usually I bypass by just cropping the side but eh, we're close to pruning. I have it all here ready shortly.
