Has anyone else noticed this trend of people wanting to get rid of entire tropes, concepts, themes, etc in storytelling purely because a popular media did it poorly at one point? I swear I've seen this so many times.>Grey morality >Humans are the real monsters >Characters dealing with their trauma and having emotional conversations >Critiques of capitalism, consumerism, broader society etc. Instead of wanting these tropes to be written better, people just want to throw them out wholesale purely because they were done poorly by something popular. They want to throw the entire orchard away because of a few bad apples and I think that's utterly retarded. I don't know if it's because of the quality of discussion online slowly going down over the years or what. People talk about how bad modern writers are, but I can't imagine what kind of saccharine sterile shit these kinds of people would produce if they were in charge.
>>282556378I have fatigue of those tropes/concepts because I've already seen it done in 2940329438 previous pieces of media, and there is no reason to believe that there will be anything novel about it the 2940329439th time
>>282556378>purely because a popular media did it poorlyI think you mean "all popular media doing it incessantly for years until everyone's sick of it" which would apply to all of your examples. Not reading the rest of your thesis because you're gay and retarded.
>>282556594>"all popular media doing it incessantly for years until everyone's sick of it"Name an example that isn't GOT.
>>282556700because nobody has any obligation to indulge your stealth rec thread, watch more shit and realize these things on your own like the rest of us
>>282556732I've watched plenty of media, and the only things people ever bring up as an example of why they hate these tropes are shit like GOT.
>>282556378>Grey morality>Humans are the real monstersIt's just an reaction on black and white morality and humans are better than subhumans. This thing is pretty bad when it becomes a mainstream
>>282556378It's called good writing and you're contrarian.
>>282556853Good writing is to completely abandon tropes that have brought us great stories?
>>282556378I kinda don't get what gave you the impression people would give thoughtful replies to a full on tropes discussion thread on /a/. But one way of looking at it, keeping up with my initial theme, could be how much of the internet became more and more extreme and idealized.It's not fuck the reasons this didn't work, or even fuck this work that used it badly. Its fuck this entire trope that gets people moving at this point.
>>282556951So then where the fuck am I supposed to go for actual discussion?
>>282557498>People you know that can hold a conversationor>Places that you can know people actually engage with the talking topic (dump/episode threads for specific series you want to talk in terms of /a/, or go to a writing place for general trope discussion)
>>282557770>>Places that you can know people actually engage with the talking topic (dump/episode threads for specific series you want to talk in terms of /a/, or go to a writing place for general trope discussion)That's what I'm looking for???
>>282556378>this trendThis has been going on on the internet for twenty years. Anyway all those things you listed are garbage and jewish.
>>282557793Internet conversation was far better before it rapidly became politicized and reactionary back in 2014 to 2016
>>282557833>before it rapidly became politicized and reactionaryAnd brown and ESL, right?
>>282556907Only great writer can subvert tropes, an average one will end with sometime awful. It's easy to be ironic a nihilistic when everyone writes about kind heroes, but try to write something sincere if everything around is cynical and wrapped in many layer of metairony
>>282556378>>Humans are the real monstersThis is never ever done well.
>>282557788I believe in you anon, someday you will be able to use the catalog! :)Jokes aside go to a series you like and make an effort post about why its tropes/themes etc. are good in your opinion. Maybe someone will engage. I dunno any place for wring shit explicitly. I would say lit but that place has been especially bad since the revival desu.
>>282556378>Characters dealing with their trauma and having emotional conversationsThe best part is when the trauma is some sort of secret and the character nor the audience know about it. Then, the big reveal. And just like that, everything is kinda fine know and the character feels better about it because s/he talk about it. That's like... so deep, that's totally how trauma works.
>>282556823There's literally nothing wrong with having clear morality and what's good and bad
>>282556378Whatever you do, don't complain that something is "too straightforward" or "too subtle": If you do so regardless, then one of the following cases (maybe even both) apply to you: >Make things straightforward>DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE! WITHOUT SUBTLETY IT'S ALL ASSPULLS! MAKE IT MORE SUBTLE! >Make it subtle >AIYEEEE, WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS SERIES? IT'S TOO MUH CONVOLUTED MAKE IT SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS!!
>>282556378Geez, so a popular media did it poorly at one point with this new trend and now you want the opposite? I don't care about your conspiracy theory or whatever you're ranting about, people get tired of tropes when they're abused, which makes them start wanting something new, regardless of whether it's poorly executed or not.
>>282556378I've always said, it's not the trope, it's the writer
>>282556823I suppose we can guess which side you fell on the Frieren demons debate
>>282556378Yes .The same tropes repeated over and over until they lose their novelty and became the new boring mainstream can be seen as a Phase 1 (like unironically Frieren and KnY being so well liked because they played their roles straight instead of going “mhu both sides” that already has happened too many times.).What it follows is the “Poisoned well effect” , where these troopes are executed in such a shitty way and became the standard breaking point of a show/book/manga/series (aliens suddenly,”femminism”, you are le real bad) that from genuine tropes a bit too. Abused devolves into downright Red flags.Just look at how most od the western products involving “feminism” are looked up by everyone , and even by some females too . The flew legit ones are burried among piles and piles of smelly shit that poisoned the good will of everyone, so once you recognize it you will be scared of it since it is like a marker that screams “90 out of 100 chances to be absolute slop!”
>>282556378>>Humans are the real monstersStrong contender for worst trope ever>kill nonhumans>behead nonhumansetcetera
>>282556378Not really. I have noticed a decline in quality story telling, but it's more likely that there's just more stories being told in general than ever before right now thanks to the internet giving people a platform to tell them on. With a larger sample size it is both more difficult for the audience to find stories that truly resonate with them and for authors to find an audience for the stories they actually want to tell. More often, it feels like one ends up chaining and shaping the other, which leads to stories being told that the tellers don't want to tell and audiences noting that the author's heart isn't in it.Also, you shouldn't categorize things into tropes so easily. The anti-hero is the most famous case of this since regular heroes these days are all now what would've been considered anti-heroes back when the term was coined.What modern audiences would consider a perfect "boring" hero would more closely match that traditional definition for a hero character.I feel at some point the terms protagonist and antagonist must've been mistranslated as hero and villain respectively for how strange it all has gotten.
>>282556561This. The problem is that it just fucking wears me down by this point.
>>282559185people are so tired of post-modern deconstructionism that we're circling back to just wanting stories that are played completely straight and don't try to defy expectations to seem smart.
>>282556643GOT doesn't have any of those though.
>>282560934>>282559185Frieren is a badly done example of black and white morality.
>>282559684Based
>>282556378Tropes are bad.
>>282556378>Critiques of capitalism, consumerismYes I'm cherry-picking the easy oneEveryone does this. They're done away with wholesale because they're so common that simply excluding them from your work becomes novel.Our society runs on these concepts and it's a pseudo-intellectual move to include commentary on something someone else has done - all you're doing is agreeing with someone more popular and hoping a bit of the 'yass queen' upvotes come your way.Even if you genuinely have a unique perspective, nobody wants to hear it because the topic has been beaten to death a thousand times over. Nobody wants to hear your new reason why game of thrones season 8 sucked, or for a more on-topic example - your opinion on demon slayer. We've reached opinion saturation.come up with some new material basically.
>>282556378Humans being the real monsters is lame most of the time
>>282556378>>Humans are the real monsters
>>282556378Irony became unironic and it's only going to get worse
>>282559185Learn English, nigga
>>282556378>Instead of wanting these tropes to be written better, people just want to throw them out wholesale purely because they were done poorly by something popular.yes, it's called oversaturation. people are tired of seeing the same cliche storylines and want to see something fresh. It's not to say that there's no value in making a better version of an existing story, but people are going to keep beating a dead horse regardless, so the vocal demand is for originality.
>>282557863White fatigue
>>282556378The modern generation has become obsessed with classifying and listing all sorts of "tropes" and more often than not typically out of the context of the story they're in. They think just so long as they're subversive in some fashion they're being creative.
