What is it with romcom fandoms being so desperate to make their shitty self-inserts seem more attractive than they actually are?
>>282565702the 1st & 2nd guy are actually a good representation of men, because they're written by women. the rest are shameless self-inserts because they are written by some dude
i'm a turbo-manlet, and i related to ichikawa a lot. even though it's so unrealistic, but his show is so relatable to me. the real world too brootal, and this show gave me some bluepill
>>282565702not all of them...
>>282565702Because they want their MC to be seen as "deserving of a harem" more than others of the same genre. One such example is Kogarashi from Yuuna. I mean, by all means, he was a very multitalented and powerful dude, sure, but once the manga ended, nobody cared about him. Whether he deserved to have so many girls in love with him doesn't matter anymore.So it boils down to it being a pissing contest. I'll say that I do enjoy Rentarou's character of the 4 you've listed, but his series is a lot more 'com' I feel.
>>282565702Eh, from what I’ve seen in the anime, Gojo is actually a pretty decent guy all things considered. I can see why real women might be attracted to him - he’s skilled and willing to engage with his women’s autistic interests.
>>282565702Fandoms don't want to accept they self insert as a generic japanese guy, well even those pathetic works themselves always have the same excuse, they are not bad looking, they just don't dress well, which is a common male incel fantasy, they would be able to get girls if they tried (they won't, they were born wrong, if there is a god he hates them, we need legislation to execute men who spend their days locked inside their rooms).>Uh the school idol is actually a cool girl and she will fall in love with me because I was nice>Uh hot gyaru will love the gayest hobby a man can have, playing with dolls>Uh the gyaru who bullied and me cry with the most lukewarm comment is going to fall in love with me>Uh god will brainwash women and tell me I have to rape them, I am not a scumbag I am the victim uwuIf you like any of those 4 series, you are the reason the world is so shitty, you are the reason men don't have sex anymore, we are going to get rid of you.
>>282565999trips of truth
validation begging thread
>>282565702don't talk shit about my boy Chadtaro, head of the Rentaro Family.
>>282566107>ChadtaroI don't think I've ever heard a good male character get a chad nickname. It always feels like the fanbase overcompensating.
>>282566155He defeated common sense, a lesser God, and a group of strange forest men, he gets a pass.
>>282565851He's trash looking and his personality is no better than your average harem MC. Not sure why you niggas love to fellate him as some sort of shoujo love interest.
>>282565702when will you realize it's not real and they're just actors?
>>282566364I never said anything about him being "a shoujo-tier love interest", anon. I just said that he has some legit qualities that are valuable in real life. That alone makes him better than 95% of male-oriented romcom protagonists.
>>282565702they should be ugly like renako
>>282565702They're ashamed to admit they self-insert in the first place. "Aktually (You) are really attractive" is the very conceit of the genre. It's copium, it's okay, everyone needs a good dose of it every now and then.
>>282565999>we need legislation to execute men who spend their days locked inside their roomsAgreed They can start with you for writing this turbotard shit
>>282566590How can you say they are a self insert when all 4 characters there are completely different looks wise? And the only personality trait they share is "shy".
>>282565702>attractiveThose are just normal dudes though. It's easy to look decent as long as you don't stuff your face and turn into a fatass.
>>282565702>>282565763>the 1st & 2nd guy are actually a good representation of men, because they're written by womenThose women also wrote female MCs that are pretty much their self-inserts that want to fuck the male MC. They're also shameless horny women.>the rest are shameless self-inserts because they are written by some dudeFun fact, women like the glasses senpai because they like to self-insert as Nagatoro bullying and teasing him.
>>282566846LMAO women find them gross, maybe "women" like you like them though
>>282566761>there are completely different looks wiseIrrelevant. They all serve the same purpose, appealing to a particular sort of person.
>>282566873How is the physical appearance irrelevant? Are you saying they could be a woman and it would be the same? A cat? A taking trashcan?
>>282565702Ichikawa and Gojo (barely) are actual good characters.replace them with cuckzuya or any other romcom slop mc next time for more (you)'s.
>>282566945No one actually gaslights themselves into believing that Kazuya is some chad though.
>>282566973yeah but Kazuya's presence fills up a thread with replies all on it's own. which is what op clearly wants with this shitty thread.
>>282566846>women like the glasses senpai because they like to self-insert as NagatoroWomen don't even read or watch Nagatoro
>>282565702what do you know about being attracted to teenaged boys?
>>282565702>shittalking the BIG SEX OVERLORD himself
>>282565702Gojo is the worst offender, he's just there being the "gay friend" and somehow that makes giga stacy wet, more unrealistic than isekai.
>>282567318Not OP but I know women self-insert as the female MC getting chased by confident, dominant men who like teasing her
>>282565702>self insert>at least half of them written by womenFinest aged bait.
>>282567646>that makes giga stacy wetYou forgot a tiny little detail: Gojo is tall as fuck.
>>282565702I'd insert myself into Ichikawa if you know what I mean
>>282565702Coping and self-deception
>>282565702None of them are ugly and cartoon characters are, by default, atrractive.Also self-inserting as Rentarou is a very big self report, if I'm being honest.
>>282565702Gojo is perfectly reasonable. He is made for women. They do want a tall guy who will manhandle them but is also dedicated and pliable. The only thing he doesn't have is that he isn't an aristocrat or a CEO. But that also plays into the power fantasy and yes, Marin is a power fantasy for women.100 girlfriends is a comedy anime where no character is realistic. Rentaro is funny and you like him because he's like a puppy.The other two are also fine if you suspend disbelief, but I get it if you can't. It's just not plausible, especially with Ichikawa.
>>282565702>Gojo>Self-insertHow many heterosexual men do you know who can sew clothes?
>>282565702I would have sex with Ichikawa and his sister and his girlfriend and also the gyaru girl at the same time.
>>282568635>especially with Ichikawa.I don't know, the fact that they're 14 when they get together does make it more believable, kids are pliable and don't exactly have those fucked up standards at that age. the support of the parents helps too, both kids have really good families behind them, which is somewhat rate in any kind of anime, let alone romance.
>>282568635I had no problem with the way Ichikawas relationship developed, but the glaring issue at first was why she ever took an interest in him o begin with.The reveal that he was basically the larval-stage of her Gigachad emo Dad was absolutely the best possible reason for this and recontextualised their entire relationship.As animeonly i remember going "oh shit i get it now" once her Dad entered the story.
>>282568775>gyaru girlthe blonde one in that manga, Hanzawa? her actual hair color is blonde apparently in the canon.
>>282568802>>282568797which also goes back to the family aspect, both have present mom and dad who support them and take interest in their lives. it's very typical for girls to want to see their dads in their romantic interests especially if the dad is a good dad, and similarly for men and their moms but less so.
>>282568812No the orange haired onebut the one you brought up is good too shes just not in that many chapters
>>282565702>Rentarou>self-insertHypercompetent yandere protagonists are rather niche, all things considered. 100gf is more of a gag manga than a romcom despite its premise.
>>282565851Yeah too bad he's still an insecure and dickless faggot
>>282568834Yeah, having thefamilies activley involved in the story and the relationship between the two leads was a real breath of fresh air from the usual High school setting where parents are almost completely absent due to "work" as an excuse for why they're never present, and if they do show up it's basically to force a plot point before they vanish again.I found myself liking the series was more than i thought i would given how it started.
>>282570458read the manga?
>self insertnone of these characters are self-insert characters, retard-kun
>>282565702>Male anime characters
>>282565702>pic rel is considered to be attractive self-insertbased 100kano fandom
>>282565702how is rentaro a self insert. you wish you could be the man he is.same for gojou in a much lesser manner. but hes literally a female wish fulfil boyfriend
>>282573623Because male self inserts don't exist.SAO fags were the first to realize that.
>>282573723what spurred on this drop in quality (SAO)?
>>282566860>>282567280I'm going to prove that anon right by telling you that as a girl (real), I picked up Nagatoro precisely because I wanted to self-insert as Naga teasing him. Sorry.
>>282565702How many of these are made by female authors?
>>282573828No idea since i'm not a SAO fan but I'm assuming that it's focusing too much on the female characters. If you look at everything else, like the subject of this thread, with that angle then things make way more sense. Those male characters are just a footnote.
>>282573862Bokuyaiba's author is a tall, female, bigtiddy, smokeshow and the Female lead of the story is her self-insert.
>>282566761>Rentaro>shy
>>282565702male romance leads peaked in the 80s
>>282574162male romance leads in the 80's were hard boiled chads straight out of an action movie. You already knew they were going to get one or two girls and there was no 400 chapters of blue balling.
>>282565702Bottom left was axed btw
>>282575699Based. Bokuyaba was always the superior anime and manga.
>>282575699It was a shit, rushed ending, but almost certainly not axed, shitposter-dono.
>>282575824Official doujins soon. Trust the plan.
>>282573856>as a girl (real)Nagatoro for girls already exists
>>282566155You haven't. And hyakkanofags are the most insecure, heavily overcompensating harem fanbase in the genre.
what about picrel?tonikaku kawaii
>>282565702>gojo>self-insertMotherfucker is like 6'2'' as a Japanese high school freshman. If you think he's anything but female wish fulfillment you need to get your wizard senses checked.
I think romcom protagonists should be cute and hardworking
>>282565702If they self insert as him, or course they're going to want to pretend he's an amazing guy and get defensive if someone doesn't agree. Because if someone attacks the character, self inserters feel like you're attacking themselves.
>>282576569Seething about depictions of romance because it hurts inside is peak wizard behavior anon.
>>282576976The ironic thing is that Bokuyaibas entire premise is about a manlet seething about the concept of other people enjoying romance, before he unfucks his life by touching grass. The author couldn't have hit closer to the mark.
>>282565702self inserters are degenerate retards, and romance anime must be banned
>>282565702100kano is not a romcom, it's gag/cgdct.
>>282565763Rentaro is written by both a man and woman.
>>282566199>He's not a self insert because he's stronger than God and his power level is infinity so that means he's a good character and you HAVE praise him!Is this truly the way you assess media?
>>282565702... No matter what they do, they are unable to compete with Kirito's pussy magnet charisma.
>>282576570>I think romcom protagonists should be cute and rapeable FTFY
>>282565702Rentarou and Ichikawa are cool dudes with personality. Gojo and especially Senpai are gay and no woman would want to date such a pussy.>b- but Gojo is tall and has BIG handsdoesn't matter if the personality is plain is white bread
>>282565702Reminder that 3 out of those 4 are designed by women
>>282577512It's a gag manga where the joke is that Rentaro is the most over-the-top "perfect boyfriend" imaginable. You're reading way too far into a joke.
>>282565702one of these doesn't even fit as the manga is written by a woman (gojo)
>>282578020And yet hyakkanofags are by the far the most angry and defensive about having their self insert criticizes of the 4 fanbase in the OP image.
>>282577877Women are currently 80% of the authors and around 90% of the artists
They aren't really any worse than female MCs in a lot of shoujo romance. There is I guess an inherent indulgence in romance stories, especially when romance is the focal point of the story.
>>282578020He is a rapist
>>282578190It's not rape if God brainwashes the girl to like it.
>>282565702Ichikawa is one of the most non self insert plainish looking mc's ive ever seen.other than having a hot underaged girlfriend there's nothing self-insert about him.it's gotta be a schizo obsession at this point with the same guy putting him in every thread come up with better examples
>>282565702>>282565763Gojo actually was a lot better looking in the manga. The anime makes him look so pathetic.
>>282565702I'm so tired of romcoms I just want a good romance story without taking 300+ chapter for them to even kiss let alone get together, romcoms are a cancer
Underneath it all, it's funny how it still comes down to men seething over male representation. Complaining about self inserts while also wanting their own special invincible gigachad self insert. Is attractiveness really the issue? I don't think you're being upfront with us. Men seethe a lot over women liking Kpop.
>>282567765>just be tallMore unrealistic than someone that can blow up unirverses with a punch.
>>282578670Not to say romcom fans aren't delusional, still
>>282578670female characters are the true self insertspeople are waking up and realizing that most anime is rom com slop
>>282578780wtf what?>>282578670because kpop is frumpiness
>>282577527I remember there was a thread where someone realized he lost most of his fights and questioned why everyone is so afraid of him
>>282578473Unfortunately, art is not just art. Manga exists and gets printed to sell. Therefore, it's industry standard to drag things out for as long as possible while trying to maintain popularity. It often has terrible effects on the storytelling, but why do the publishers care, if they've been getting away with milking series for sales like this for decades now?
>>282578909Yeah i know i have to do 10 pages a week, but man i want to dedicate at least one page to the heroine being in her underwear or naked in the bath.Make sure to buy the merch.buy it buy it buy it buy it
>>282576429Sex with Kaguya.
>>282565702The message is most awkward males can get attractive with a shower and a nice haircut.
>MY SELF INSERT IS SUCH A CHAD>NUH UH MY SELF INSERT IS A MORE MASCULINE GIGACHAD, YOUR SELF INSERT IS A GAY PUSSY WITH WOMAN HOBBIES, MINE HAD *SEX*>NO WAY, YOUR SELF INSERT CRIED ONE TIME, MY SELF INSERT IS THE CHADDEST MUSCLE CHAD AND FUCKS YOUR SELF INSERT IN THE ASS>OH YEA WELL MY SELF INSERT RAPES ALL THE WOMEN AND HAS A HAREM, SO HE'S NOT A PUSSY DICKLET HERBIVORE LIKE YOUR SELF INSERTThis is how all of you come across most of the time
>>282579167Nobody is saying this except you, Touch grass.
>>282576429woa handholding before a kiss? that's haram
>>282579167>IM AFRAID OF MALE CHARACTERS BECAUSE>ITS NOT FAIR>IT SHOULD BE ME NOT HIMCalm down
>>282576570Anon gets it.>>282578670>>282579167Reminds me of the hate for Izumi from Shikimori where he actually manned up and actually looked for her and confessed instead of sitting around feeling sorry for himself and/or waiting for her to magically pop up.The hate is also ironic since he's really similar to Yuu Ayase from Mikadono Sisters who is universally beloved.
>>282565702Rentarou is too cool. I can't self-insert.Gojou is too tall.Haven't seen/read the first one but he looks like an edgy kid.I guess I'm left with the 3rd virgin but His gf is ouy of my league.
Romance protagonists who are actually good looking:>Fuutarou>Prez>Araragi>Gojou (manga version)Even then there's a lot of room for improvement
>>282578670I've never shipped Deku with Ochako, but it's still strange to me just how personally offended they get by this character. There's definitely something more to it.
There's only one selfinsert anime in existence up to date, but we need more.
>>282566155That's because projecting copers need to shove it in everybody's face how "alpha" their boring ass MCs of choice are.
>>282573623Seriously, why does the definition of self-insert jump from either the character is a massive loser to him being impossibly successful?
>>282580840Because both of those things can be self-inserts
>>282580840It all comes down to men being jealous of male anime characters
>>282580877Sounds like the word lost any real meaning.
People are so blind to all of these tired fucking tropes, I wonder if it's willful ignorance. All of the stories that are basically fucking identical
>>282581081I think its people saying "our rom com trash is different from your rom com trash"
>>282581081If you are at the point with anime that you are sick of its tropes and want it to change, you are better off just taking a break from anime for a while. Maybe it won't seem so stale after you've been away from it.
>>282581010>2 possible, slightly different definition >"lost all meaning"Sounds like you just want shift the discussion away from your self insert being criticized to the definition of self insert so as to stop the criticism.Call it whatever you want, the point is you clearly identify with a fictional character to an irrational degree, so much so that you feel personal insulted when the character is insulted and defend them and their story as if it were your own life (because you so desperate wish it was)
>>282581081I don't think they're blind to them they just don't care. Most people like seeing the same stories over and over just look at shounen.
>>282581375And yet for some reason anime fans start feeling threatened when modern boring ugly shonen series are printing money and getting engagement.
>>282581081A lot of them are just newfags who latch onto the first manga that catches their eye and make it into their whole personality.They haven't read enough other manga to realize all the "amazing, original moments" in their manga of choice are actually tired cliches which have been done hundreds of times before, often with much better execution. And they don't want to learn that their favorite manga isn't as good or original as they think because they've made it their whole personality, so admitting it's not that great would mean admitting they aren't that great.
>>282581375Romance and LN fans are far more likely to treat their series like they're deep and meaningful.
>>282568775The most based post ITT
The harder a community tries to argue that their protagonist of choice isn't a self insert, the harder you know they all self insert as him.
>>282581849Very true. Same goes for female characters too though.
I think an issue no one ever talks about is that a lot of people decide whether a character is a self insert or not purely by appearance, they never actually look at personality. I've seen people call Shirou (FSN) a self insert and that faggot has his own unique and well defined set of morals and can be genuinely insane, he doesn't act in a way that any normal person would act so I've never understood people saying he's a self insert.
Chiramune is going to be interesting to watch...the reactions>MC is an actual chad>The harem are straightforward on wanting to fuck MC because he is a chad>Chad MC is aware the girls want his dick>But his chad life is so tiring he just does nothing about the girls' thirst for him>The first arc (which it seems is going to be speedrunned) is him helping a neet-otaku come back to school>The harem just trash talk the otaku while chad MC becomes his nakama>MC chadness is out of the charts the neet-otaku start to see MC as his masterGood times ahead
>>282565702I dont like to self insert into stories so Its nice to have guys who have stuff going on like this 4.
>>282578141>self insertNo I wish I was Rentaro's Girlfriend...unfortunately I am 3d and a man and mostly straight.
>>282581966I'm starting to believe the jealousy angle anon is throwing out. You never ever see that kind of discussion when it comes to Saber, Rin, and Sakura.
>>282572016It's amazing how getting your usual hetshit romcom and replacing the protagonist with a female instantly makes it 1000x better.
Female MCs in women-directed romance stories are often pretty unremarkable too but they don't seem to create the same amount of seethe for some reason. I guess women largely just shrug and accept the bland wish-fulfillment while some male readers, confronted by a male character that is adjacent to them in some way successfully attracting women, feel judged and inferior and start whining. These types should just drop romcoms altogether and watch yuri trash which is tailor made to tip toe around their insecurities.
>>282583651>you only don't think my self insert is cool because you're JEALOUS of me, uhh I mean him!Is this the cope you've settled on?
>>282572016Isn't this basically Tadano, except that he has even less personality?
>>282583701Yes, it is the entire basis of the yuri genre. They go "I am worthless sputum and women vomit at the thought of dating me. So if I see a male anywhere having any success whatsoever with someone of the opposite sex, I am reminded of this fact so I can only accept a show that spares me this unbearable pain and sorrow." Then they try to pick up some haremshit romcom, because there are bazillions of cute girls, but when they see the male MC laughing "aw shucks" while the harem fights over him all their traumas return and run to /a/ to cry about other people's preferences.
>>282583874Or maybe your self insert just isn't actually that cool and you only want to force everyone to say he is because you subconsciously think he is you.Which of the 4 protagonists from the OP is your self insert of choice by the way if you don't mind me asking?
>>282566945>Ichikawa and Gojo>good charactersheh
this middle-school boy
>>282578411his plain looks and short height combined with having a hot girlfriend actually makes him prime self-insert material, especially for manlets
>>282583651Only men are into NTR
>>282583651No they have their own fights about it, or the bland unremarkable girls get lumped into the mary sue umbrella
>>282565999But... there SHOULD be some guaranteed way for the vast majority of men to get a wife. The fact that there isn't shows something is seriously wrong with society.
I'm just dropping by the board, do you guys always take such obvious bait, or is it because we're still in the tail end of summer?
>>282585742Is it really bait? There are genuine discussions people have across /r9k/, /v/ and /adv/. Occasionally they drip into /a/. People really do want to discuss this stuff. Even if you don't care for the discussions on societal dating issues, you could at least be interested in what motivates mangaka to write characters in a certain way, no?
>>282585551People get upset when the lead in female MC series isn't bland and unattractive enough. There's no real separation however the industry overall leans more toward the demands of the bland women.
>>282585834>People get upset when the lead in female MC series isn't bland and unattractive enoughExamples?
>>282583651They dont create seethe because when you get down to it, anime fans just want to see GIRL DO THING!
>>282583651Most of /a/ is men who don't watch shows for women to begin with.
>>282583651Men want to degrade and demoralize themselves, hence >>282585255
>>282587009NTR exists for the sole purpose of tormenting losers who think that every man in the world is cucking them.
BokuYaba is a Self-Insert story, but it's the author inserting herself as Yamada.She wants a gloomy, slightly chuuni shota.
>>282578670>>282579485A solid 80% of the bitching about self-inserts is from self-inserters that find a protagonist either too unrelatable or too close to home to self-insert as. This is most obvious with outwardly emotionally vulnerable MCs, especially ones like Deku or Rudeus. They look down upon them and it embarrasses them to put themselves in their shoes, yet they can't prevent themselves from doing so, so they lash out.
>>282579167You're completely right.I can't believe all these pathetic self inserters think any of their shitty characters can compete with CHADTAROU. How big are are of their harems again? In the single digits? Or god forbid, they don't even have a harem and just have ONE measly girl? Utterly pathetic, they're all clearly jealous of CHADTAROU and all hyakkanoCHADS.
>>282587009Men are probably just masochists. Stories for women always feature the bland less attractive self insert girl stealing the hot guy from the hot girl.
>>282588058>A solid 80% of the bitching about self-inserts is from self-inserters that find a protagonist either too unrelatable or too close to home to self-insert asNo it's not. It's mostly complaints about it being unrealistic and cringe.
>>282565702I never cared about self insertion but I still love a good harem anime, when its good. There are bad ones out there.And it isn't always as simple as they were nice that one time (which is a legit bad one). They were selflessly kind and masculine with relationship development, which for some reason gets boiled down to "he was nice once" when thats not the case.
>>282588058I would hardly ever call a shonen protagonist a self insert in most cases. Light novel protagonists are almost always shameless self inserts though.
Men in shounen act girlier than men in shoujo. Men in shoujo generally act like prince charmings, while men in shounen are either completely bland or crybabies.
>>282588629So a lack of masculinity makes you feel insecure, like all the guys who get angry about K Pop
>>282566846>They're also shameless horny women.I think the author of DressupDarling doesn't want someone who satisfies her hornyness, she wants a good looking but meek and subservient man who will do things for her but not actually ask her for sex, is sad to see, to me it looked like a transactional relationship.
>>282571425not that anon but>3 chapters before the endYes, very much insecure, last chapter, still insecure, he is not insecure in the timeskip and that's it, but even that is an extra....of the very last chapter.
Then there are plenty of other bland ugly faggots that /a/ praises anyways
>>282585127
>>282588058I mainly don't like Deku because he runs into the same problem as Narutard in worshipping someone that treats him like complete shit. In fact, he's even worse in that regard.
>>282589009I'm noticing a trend of pseudo gayness with a lot of you too
>>282576570I didn't really like Yuu in the first episode but I stuck with it and he is a good MC.
>>282589294I think they're all fucking obnoxious. Even the 8man, Okarun, Kazuya and Makeine guy you pretend are exceptions
Romcom MC's should be as dumb as a brick but filled with good intent
>>282565702Senpai is spot on though
What actually constitutes for a good (male) protagonist?
>>282588753It just what is in the shows. A positive display of it.
>>282588753The guys mad about kpop are just rizzless losers who have no talent and will never get attention from women.Doesn't change the fact that all idolshitters are subhuman.
>>282589209It was never even resolved. Bakugo just suddenly admits he feels bad about bullying him. They never properly hash it out between it each other or anything.
>>282589853People shit on MHA for a lot of reasons but honestly I feel like this one is the most justified and people barely bring it up. Bakugo for his popularity is a completely wasted character.
>>282565702Gojo is based
>>282567708I never got this argument. People follow money and/or write for a different demographic. Adults write books for children. Little Mermaid was written by some middle aged male and the protagonist was clearly meant to be relatable and appeal to the dreams of young females.People also just do it for themselves. 80% of this “boys' love” has a male protagonist that's obviously written as a self-insert by and for females.
At least those three have some unique qualities going for them, while the manlet guy is just completely bland and average.
>>282565702>self-insertsThat's shonentards shouldn't be allowed to read anything, but battle shonenslop. Because your only vision key while reading is "I must to self-insert" kek
>>282565702Chitose will save romcom
>>282592919manlet had edge going for him early on, but then he lost even that. Just an overall bland character.
As a bifag, I'd fuck Ichikawa and Naoto
>>282582858Yeah because troons can't think salivating over anything other than that
>>282565702>is it with romcom fandoms being so desperate to make their shitty self-inserts seem more attractive than they actually are?>fandomare you sure this not just /a/ problem?
>>282565702It's the Japs who make these kinds of characters. People just root for whoever they're shown there's nothing self insert about it.
>>282585687Sorry anon, I don't want to sound like an anti natalist because I'm not, but most men not reproducing is just nature working out and taking off the weak from the gene pool, if all you do all day is play videogames then society will be better off without whatever failure would be born out of you. Also don't try to play the white card with me, you are american, a mutt, you are not white but some mixed blood abomination.
>>282595586NTA but it's not a zero sum game when your women's also don't reproduce
>>282595668Well you know what they say. Time is more valuable than money.
>>282595668Those women are also the result of failed genetic pools, they would have been terrible mothers and created the next generation of monsters, again nothing but nature solving itself even if takes a few generations for the demographics to recover.
>>282595865People exist to have fun.Not to breed.
>>282565702>tired eyes>tall >big hands>prominent collarbonesGojou is attractive, you just dont understand women. Being a traditional craftsmen is socially prestigeous and lucrative.
OP here, just let this thread die already. Stop bumping it.
Male self inserts dont exist and they never will.
>>282597761no
>>282591630People with working brains can recognize what's self-insert and what isn't. OP is one of them, but prefers to larp as an idiot instead.
>>282599515If OP knew then he would say that there are no self inserts and just characters people hate because they are male.
>>282565999>they are not bad looking, they just don't dress well, which is a common male incel fantasy, they would be able to get girls if they tried Irl they wouldnt youre delusional. Theyd be posting on here for sure. No woman wants a guy whose not turbo attractive, rich with attractive hobbies
>>282599744Pretty much
>>282579485I wasn't hooked by Shikimori the same way I was by Mikadono. Mikadono's first chapter was very effective in setting up Yuu's character and motivations, and there's still a clear sense of story progression alongside the comedy. Shikimori just seemed like it was going to be an episodic comedy with variations on the same gag for the foreseeable future.
>>282565791I don't love or hate this joker. Only read 100 chapters of his manga though.
>>282585687>But... there SHOULD be some guaranteed way for the vast majority of men to get a wife.that's exactly what countryside traditional life was about, you need to prove to be a good provider to older men so they give you permission to marry their daughters also men where more masculine because of their exercise intense lifestyle and they live in sparsely populated areas while having the obligation of continuing the line/keeping the farm, now there seems to be endless supply of people in cities, not only generating a false sense of security i numbers but also feeling of claustrophobia + materialistic individualism shutting down their instinctive of legacy since they can still get sexually stimulated without having children, plus without social rules the top % of men can fuck with any woman while mid/low tier women suffer because of their natural hypergamia and think that they can keep chad, but not they end up alone or as single moms while mid to low tier men are fucked uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyf4GXT_oWA
>>282565702>fandomMoron, self-inserts are literally the authors.
Rentarou is more of a man then you'll ever be OP.
The male anime character with a girlfriend is scaring me cause he has a girlfriend
>>282565702We get it, you re gay
>>282588416BASED TRUTHER
>>282565702Because they involved themselves in communities where appealing to 3D women and their sensibilities is all that matters. Retards forget that these are fantasies for shy men and get ass hurt about it both ways.
>>282565702>GojoI don't think I've seen anyone self insert as Gojo. Plenty of women (including the author of My Dress Up Darling) self insert as Marin though
>>282568554>Also self-inserting as Rentarou is a very big self report, if I'm being honest.Self report of what?
>>282572016What does "fish-eyed" mean?
>>282578183>There is I guess an inherent indulgence in romance stories, especially when romance is the focal point of the story.There are romance stories where romance isn't the focal point of the story?
>>282578936>but man i want to dedicate at least one page to the heroine being in her underwear or naked in the bath.>Make sure to buy the merch.Every series that does this, I enjoy.
>>282581533Threatened by who?
>>282593144Who's that?
>>282589491He's rude, but kind, handsome, tall, smart, and experienced.
>>282599611>and just characters people hate because they are male.Not because of their gender, but because of their behavior.
>>282603928Why are some authors so pathetic?
>>282606238funny that you mentioned that because i remember hearing anon complaining about an anime adaption announcement of space mercenary because he hated the main characters looks.So i did a bit of digging and i think this is fish eyed. On that note i dont think i want to watch this anime either.
Bokuyaba is written by a woman consumed with overwhelming shota cocklust, Ichi being a pretty-boy manlet is intentional.
>>282565702are you a homosexual faggot?
>>282597761This thread made some people so mad that they insist on keeping it alive. So congrats, cool accomplishment I guess?
It's so sad that these beta males from r9k have been brainwashed by feminist rhetoric, they even learned to spam feminist lingo and talking points. You can tell from their extreme visceral reactions to such non-issues
Okay but who are good romcom shounen main male characters?
>>282609011If >>282606677 is right then then there likely aren't any because of tropes. Only way to get a good one in that case is to completely change the tropes for male characters in something new.Whether it works or not will depend on the fans. Would they be able to handle a character like that? I think kaguya tried that and it ended up failing.
>>282609011Raku
>>282608805>they even learned to spam feminist lingoLike what?
>>282609188incel, self-insert, etc.talking points: cuckshit = """realistic"""
4chan incels dont understand women thread #4567788
>>282609011Ranma. The original is still unsurpassed.
>>282608141the Sono Bisque Doll author is literally a woman, and the MC's design is her ideal type, look at her other manga(incest)
>>282565702 a form of cope
Paisen and Gojo are too autistic about their hobbies to be self inserts. Paisen is a legit match for Nagatoro, she isn’t the most remarkable woman in her manga. Gojo is the mangaka’s wet dream and Rentarou is a gag character far removed from self inserting. Ichikawa is just a shorty in middle school. Honestly these kind of complaints are either baiting or disingenuous r9k posting
>>282609710People use the term self insert to describe characters with no personality but the fact of the matter is that those characters do have personalities.Those retards who claim self inserts exist willfully ignore that fact because they can't think of other ways to criticize those characters.
>>282565999TRVKE
>>282609011Rentarou unironically
Being nice is easy, it's weak nerds who want to be rewarded for doing the bare minimum.>yeah well I've never been to jailYou're not supposed to go to jail you dumb fuck
>Pic RelatedHonestly, I have the opposite problem with this one; the girls are the weakest part of the series, none of them are funny or waifu material. I think I would have enjoyed it more if it focused on the male cast, something like Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou.
>>282609011Honestly? Kyousuke from Oreimo. Any points I dock from him looking painfully plain (fuck that haircut, even his slicked back do) are negated by the fact that he's surprisingly straightforward. There are a few moments of weakness, such as the test dating with Kuroneko and the cucked ending (can't really blame him for the ending, though, that was editor-kuns throwing weight around) he was just a really fun character.
>>282609011The one I self insert as.
>>282612097Straightforward characters are fun?
>>282612456Them being straightforward with other characters in the story, and therefore not spazzing out the moment a girl actually touches them, means I don't want to punch them in the throat. I guess I'd technically say it's more satisfying than "fun", but I like it all the same, especially compared to the usual fare written my Jap men authors.
>>282565702>comparing any of those losers to CHADtarouRentarou could literally rip through reality, beat them up and steal every single one of their girls to add to his own harem. Only reason he doesn't is because he feels bad for them for being so inferior to him. Every girl in the multiverse wishes they could be part of CHADTAROUS harem but he's just too nice of a guy to take them all (unless you threaten one of his girlfriends then there's no telling what he might do to you XD)by the way we do NOT self insert as him stop saying we do
>>282603928You can argue semantics all you want, it won't make it any less pathetic when you read a fictional story and imagine yourself as the protagonist in order to escape your crappy real life.
>>282613025People weren't kidding when they said how fucking pathetic and insecure Hyakkanofags are, Jesus Christ....
>>282614337Wew, I can't believe there are still anon who fall for mocking shitposting pasta this thicc.
>>282614410That may be pasta, but don't you dare act like hyakkanogs aren't exactly like this.
>>282614410Haha yeah real hyakkano fans would NEVER be so obnoxious.
>>282614437>>282614550That's a shitposting pasta I'm talking about? I visit those threads occasionally as it's not a romcom I'm keeping up, yet I don't see them spamming this shit in their own threads and others - hyakkanofags are insular happy types of fags. But even I know there a resident hater for this gag romcom... and those types of post are his gimmick. I'm actually replying to him right now kek.
>>282614677You're a terrible liar and you make the exact same ESL mistakes in every single one of your posts.
>>282597761It already got occupied by others anon
>>282612097> he's surprisingly straightforward.That's not something that unique or standout for male MCs. I won't say he is memorable
>>282614803>That's not something that unique or standout for male MCsAre you fucking serious? We're talking about romcom MCs, these niggas can't express themselves without doing humble acrobatics to save their lives. Kyousuke isn't memorable by design outside of being a raging incestmonger, but he's still satisfyingly chilled out compared to most romcom MCs.
>>282614677Hyakkanofags literally go around proclaiming that their series is not merely the best harem, but the only good harem ever created and get insanely angry and defensive at anyone who doesn't agree.
>>282614942>>282613025>>282614550This is way too blatant of a falseflag to push convient narrative. Been around WSJ threads too long to fall for such a crude attempt>>282593020This
>>282615058The fact that people can look at screenshots of legitimate posts by real hyakkano fans and say "Yeah there's no way any fanbase could be this retarded and annoying, those must all be falseflags by somebody trying to make them look bad!" truly is a staggering testament to just how shitty hyakkanofags truly are. They defy all conventional wisdom of just how insecure and narcissistic a human is capable of being.
>>282615058You're either a haremfag yourself running screen or just haven't interacted with them long enough. They really can be this bad, trust me. I don't know what it is about harems, but it draws in mental illness like you wouldn't believe.
>>282565702I can't self-insert as Kyo cause I never was cute like him
>>282615128>>282614942NTA. This is a good thread to shit on romcoms and their dumb MCs, I get what you're doing. It's normal. But you're coming off like a shill desperately trying to push an agenda - it feels tryhard and artificial. Like, literally to the point I want to support this random shitty romcom solely to spite you. Why are retards nowadays so bad at basic psychology?
>>282615235He looks rapeable
>>282615250He's just being tribalistic, he's probably a haremfag himself. There are definitely worse fanbases than hyakkano, specifically MT, but he's not wrong on how obnoxious they are, especially with rival shows.
>>282565702It's the gap moe
>>282615201>I don't know what it is about harems, but it draws in mental illness like you wouldn't believe.Mentally ill people usually have shitty lives, and they turn to escapist media to vicariously experience their desires they're unable to get in real life. Harems are the ultimate sexual escapism fantasy, and the more shamelessly the fantasy panders to the reader the more severely mentally ill kind of fan it will attract.So hyakkano, with it's premise of "Hey, don't you wish (you) were the most awesomeest guy in the entire universe and had a giant harem of a HUNDRED super hot girls be totally obsessed with you and everyone worshiped you like a god?" will naturally attract the worst of the worst, who will get extremely invested in the series to the point they basically make it their identity, and unleash all their mentally illness wrath on anyone that challenges their escapist fantasy.
>>282615343All haremfags are obnoxious by default anyway. Same with romcoms once they reach popula... fuck, even a semi-popular stage is enough. And then there are retards obsessed with passionately shitting on those romcomfags, which is imo even more pathetic.>>282615495Case in point, utter lack of self-awareness.
>>282615343>There are definitely worse fanbases than hyakkano, specifically MTThe two groups are more alike than different, I've found.
>>282578141>angry and defensiveThen come up with an actual argument that isn't projection and aligns with reality lmao
>>282565999>>282579167>>282614550>>282614942>>282615495I just want to go on record and say this is the same guy who trolls Hyakkano threads every now and then but every time he does he's either entirely BTFO'd because his arguments are fucking retarded or is ignored entirely.The only times I ever see Hyakkano discussed outside of its designated threads are when this guy is trying to seek validation from other anons because the Hyakkano threads won't give him attention. I wouldn't be surprised if he made this thread but I don't think he did, however.
>>282615235I was never cute like him either but I'd insert myself into him if you know what I mean
>>282565702Yeah, really tired of unrealistic self-insert shit.There's no way a brown evil goblin like Nagatoro could scrore a tall hansome artist like Senpai
>>282615282We know, Anna.
>>282613025Rentarou would be disgusted by your post. The platonic ideal of a boyfriend would not tolerate ntr in any shape way or form, unless the other guy is dead and willingly grants him full oyakodon priveleges from beyond the grave.
>>282565702>>282565999>>282580765Why are you crying and moaning over nothing? This is pathetic, you are pathetic, especially if you're not a woman, whining like a bitch
>>282601510Different vibes. One IS more story focused and the other more episodic. Shikimori switches up the formula of things not to dissimilar to how not every instance is of Ayase being clumsy.
>>282576056I watch it for radish legs though.
>>282576570Characters like Yuu exist to make me question my heterosexuality.
>>282615235I can self insert in him since I fantasized about killing people as well.
>>282609011Picrel was surprisingly good, I just didn't like that they gave him that hot blonde cousin as a secondary love interest because he clearly only cared about the zombie girl.
>>282616565Why did you read a manga about a tanned girl (not even brown) just to be eternally buthurt about her? I can't imagine being this lame and gay.
>>282578141but rentaro isn't a self insert you don't even know what that word means
>>282589491Genghis Khan (mommy issues)
>>282618617I read Nagatoro because of her butt.
>>282578141>And yet hyakkanofags are by the far the most angry and defensive about having their self insert criticizes of the 4 fanbase in the OP imageI've gotten death threats for criticizing that little Bokuyaba fag kek. I've never seen any other romcom fanbase get so deranged defending their MC, not even the ones with an actually good one.
>>282618762Based
>>282608368>woman consumed with overwhelming shota cocklustProbably but not necessarily. Yamada is based on her favorite idol Rina Matsuno, she's not Norio's self-insert.
>>282618931>no tits fat assname a worse bodytype, you can't
>>282565702Women do this with their self-insertstoo by the way, Rumiko Takahashi self-inserts being the biggest example.
>>282585687The true blackpill is realizing that you can nearly-guaranteed find a wife if you hit the gym, acquire moderate to above average social skills, have social hobbies, and go out and talk to people.
>>282617181>by your post.My post? Those were real posts from the latest hyakkano thread. >>282609598>>282610508Yes, they really do sit in their sad little threads fantasizing about "Chadtarou" going into other harem universes and cucking other MCs out of all their girls, complete with sad little MS paint comic edits of all the girls gathered around him and the other "lesser" harem MCs crying behind him.
>>282620650>no brah this is totally a thing, look at this final zero reply post from this archived, 60 post thread i have saved a link to
>>282620650>"Chadtarou" going into other harem universes and cucking other MCs out of all their girlsGod, that would’ve been so fucking hilarious just for the reactions from the other fans if the manga was about Rentarou stealing “not-Kaguya,” “not-Taiga,” and “not-Senjougahara” for his harem.
>>282620795Are you the guy who made that image or something? Are you upset because you never thought it would escape your echo chamber community, but now everyone can see see it and you've got to try and disown it?Whatever your angle may but, I'll say again it's still hilarious that actual hyakkano fans and their actual behavior are so cringey and pathetic that people see it and think "This is too unrealistically sad, it's clearly a false flag to make them look bad, no community could willingly look this bad on their own". Well sad news, they really are like this.
>>282620650>>282620945>getting this assblasted over a silly joke shitpost editYou should find a better hobby than being eternally butthurt about a series you don't even read.
>>282621094>It's just a joke haha>I only spent an hour making it to be funny lol stop taking it seriously>It's not like I actually fantasize about being Rentarou and going through the multiverse and making literally every hot girl in every anime and manga become part of my harem and cucking the other MCs because I'm so sad and lonely IRL that I've grown to despise all other men and obsessively want to own every woman I see and latched onto Rentarou and his series because they're the ones that most accurately fulfill that escapist revenge fantasy...>Haha no that would be too sad it was just a joke lol>And stop spreading my edit nobody else but my hyakkano friends were supposed to see it and now you're making us look bad and nobody is allowed to make us look bad everyone has to acknowledge that us and Rentarou and our manga are perfect and objectively better than them!
>>282620945I've read like 30 chapters and bounced hard off that manga. I dont like irreverent humor, references, how much of it is just flat lineups of the characters on a rooftop, etc. All that to say, I don't visit their threads, but I have neither seen or heard anything about 100gf posters being a problem anywhere else. What I HAVE seen however, in several other romcom threads I visit, is a persistent schizo blatantly trying to stir shit for some reason and your posting tone and cadence vaguely match. You fit the autism-shaped, autism-sized hole in this fault.
>>282597761>make bait thread>people bite the bait>why are you still responding???
total swarthoid death
>>282622143Their series is too unpopular and their fanbase too small to have much presence outside of their circlejerk general threads most of the time, but they'll always appear out of the woodwork for any kind of generalized harem/romcom meta thread (such as this one) to brag incessantly about how perfect and superior they think their community and series and its protagonist are, attack anyone who doesn't agree, and insult and put down every other fanbase/series/MC as inferior and not worth reading.
>>282622860Why are you so emotionally invested in this? Personal vendetta? How old are you?
>>282623138>Jeez man, all we do is go around everywhere insulting every other manga in the world, say their authors are trash and anyone who likes them is stupid and that our manga is the only good one in the world, why does that bother you? >You're so sad for caring enough to respond and argue against us, you should just let us trash everything else while bragging about how superior we are without resistance, so we can continue to feel smug without anything to challenge our egos
>>282620650>>282621396>>282622860You're just so fucking pathetic, man.
>>282623406>Jeez man, all we do is go around everywhere insulting every other manga in the world, say their authors are trash and anyone who likes them is stupid and that our manga is the only good one in the world, why does that bother you? examples?
>>282623567>>282614942Although I'm not sure why you're even asking for examples, when I already know you're just going to claim that all the examples were secretly made by me as a false flag, or insult me for screenshotting the examples to begin with.
>>282565763Ah yes true crime and sewing, the two most masculine hobbies possible
>>282576056Not all girls are masochistic
>>282623637no, just give anectodes and context,no need for screenshots
>>282624000I gave anecdotes and context, then you demanded examples. I gave you examples and now you're demanding anecdotes and context. You're just trying to argue in circles to do anything but acknowledge the actual issue.
>>282565702Don't you worry, not even fictional men want you.
>>282624440And fictional women wouldn't want you.
>>282624091I mean be more specific, I'm not going to deny them
>>282625350I've said what they do, I've explained why they do it, and I've posted examples of them doing it. What more do you want?
>>282623747Almost all girls are masochists. That's why so many of their romcoms seem like they're made for masochist girls.
>>282616565what is "realistic" to you?I have a feeling I already know
>>282565702the top two aren't self inserts, you're supposed to want to fuck them
>>282625508like insult other manga and authors? which ones?
>>282626532All of them? You dipfuck. Can you not think one logical step ahead from a starting statement? If hyakkanofags say>"Hyakkano is the only good harem ever created" That's the same as saying>"All other harems besides hyakkano are bad" Did I make it easy enough to follow?
>>282565763This times 1000. Gojo may not be a good character, but he is extremely fuckable to women. Anyone who claims otherwise is an adult male virgin.
>>282626682>Did I make it easy enough to followYes. So you're talking about harem manga, is that referring to romcom manga with "MC bowl" type setups, actual harem manga, or both?Also, do you support MC bowls or true harems? Or do you hate harems in general?
>>282627170>is that referring to romcom manga with "MC bowl" type setups, actual harem manga, or both?How should I know? They're the ones constantly proclaiming it the only good harem manga ever created, not me. Go ask them if you're curious. Though given their attitude it's probably safe to bet they consider any story about a male protagonist with two or more possible love interests a harem, and consider the story automatically bad unless said said protagonist sexually claims all the hot girls in the story (which is why they're so obsessed with hyakkano and never shut up about how it's so perfect to begin with)
>>282627519what do you think of harems?
>>282627623It's generally a low brow, wish fulfillment genre, but some still manage to be good stories and some are shit just like every genre. Wish fulfillment is also ok to consume as long as you remain self-aware, and don't start self-inserting into the fantasy instead to the point where you make it your entire identity and obsessively defend the story and protagonist as if it were you and your own life (like hyakkanofags do)
>>282628019For 100kanojo, did the apparent behavior of anons heavily factor into our opinion on the series and the MC?
>>282629155Hyakkano itself is just a mediocre-to-ok series. It's just the stupid fans that are so obnoxious, because they can't tell the difference between actual quality, and being pandered to. And if there's one thing I can't deny hyakkano does better than most other manga, it's pander to the reader. Shamelessly and without limit.
>>282579167>Anything that touches reality is a threat to my idealised fantasy, so I'll attack anyone who points out flaws in my reasoning Please go outside anon
>>282565702Ichikawa is literally a kid and he's a chuuni introvert so he hides behind his bangs. He's neither supposed to be good looking nor particularly ugly. The reason he gets the girl is that he's probably more mature than literally everyone at his middle school, and through a combinations of coincidences he ends up spending a lot of time with her for her to notice this.Gojo is quite tall and I believe he's supposed to be unassumingly handsome, he just doesn't stand out and never attempted to even make friends because of his complex from childhood. His relationship with Marin is extremely natural.Rentaro is supposed to be an above average guy with relatively high overall specs (as commented by his friend at the very beginning), though it doesn't really matter since all his relationships are governed by magic technically.I didn't read/watch Nagatoro.
>>282627623Harems are polyamorous relationships with one male and at least three women.Having a lot of women around does not make it a harem. It makes it a slice of life or a rom com.People who throw out the term harem incorrectly are just men who are mad and jealous at fictional men who are surrounded by fictional women.
>>282578670The answer is simple. It's the nips who portray themselves that way. It's not surprising, given the current shift in their male culture that encourages it. To many outside audiences romcom protagonists come off like damsels in distress waiting to be handed everything on a silver spoon. The hate is just foreign reaction.
>>282599744I'm not turbo attractive nor rich nor do I have any conventionally attractive hobbies.I attracted girls by hanging out with them and showing that I was rather smart. My most important relationship (lived together for 3 years) started because she was interested in me after she realized I had learned a little bit of her native language (before meeting her, I was interested in the language beforehand because language learning is my hobby). I wasn't even good at it nor did I continue learning afterwards, it just caused to pay extra attention to me when we hung out from then on.Having friends and hanging out with groups of both genders is a good way to meet people who might be interested in you for whatever fucking reason you might not expect.The guys in OP's pic (except for Rentaro, kind of, but he just doesn't fit with the others at all) don't have friends so it does come off as the girl scooping them out of nowhere, but just the fact that they get interested in them for really random reasons is not unrealistic.
>>282610121That's because they're idiots that believe "looking like the average Japanese person" means that they must be self inserts, even though if they looked any different they'd stand out in a Japanese setting and the story would be different as a result.
>>282630999>The guys in OP's pic (except for Rentaro, kind of, but he just doesn't fit with the others at all) don't have friendsRentarou doesn't have friends either. All he had was a single gag "friend" from the first chapter who was literally called "Friend A" to indicate just how little he mattered, and half the fanbase wants him to come back and secretly turn out to be a girl and join the harem.Because haremslop readers aren't interested in male friendship. They read this shit for sexual wish fulfillment and nothing more. The very presence of other men at all is usually interpreted as a sexual threat and gets the fans crying about being cucked.
>>282631226I didn't exclude Rentaro because of friend A, I excluded him because he was clearly talking to people and being rather extroverted before the show started. He'd confessed to 100 different girls before starting high school and at the very least girl #100 seemed to have a very amical relationship with him, and friend A knew enough about him to consider it rare that he kept getting rejected.Also, as I mentioned, he's a special case because literal divine powers are involved.
>>282578183I think this is a good explanation >>282630611>To many outside audiences romcom protagonists come off like damsels in distress waiting to be handed everything on a silver spoonA lot of these modern romcoms are taking shoujo romcoms and making them for guys. The male mcs have the role of the girl in the romcom but without the being cute part so some people find that off putting.
>>282628019Why do you let a series and fanbase you don't even like occupy so much of your mental bandwidth? Why not just focus on stuff you like, like everyone else does?I just don't understand the need to spend energy on stuff you don't like.
>>282576429First of all, Nasa is not a self insert at all. Tonikawa is the story of two perfect people having the absolute perfectestest relationship.Second, the main unrealistic part of Tonikawa is the fact that Tsukasa has never been married before. I haven't read the manga but I have a good idea about why that is and why Nasa managed to break through, but it's still rather unrealistic.Once you get past that, Nasa is the perfect husband. He's an uber genius that can do all sorts of jobs, many of them high paying. He has enough savings and enough financial knowhow to not even need to work anymore if he doesn't want to. And he's willing to prioritize his wife over literally everything else, and his wife happens to perfectly match his autism.
>>282631625>without the being cute partYou find shoujo protags cute because they're women. That's it.
>>282631654Why do you automatically assume that just because I dislike them that they occupy "so much" of my mental bandwidth? And by your own logic why are you arguing with me instead of focusing on what you like?Do you conveniently tell yourself that when you argue about something pointless it's because you're just bored and happen to have nothing better to do but are TOTALLY above it, but that the other persons life clearly must resolve entirely around the issue? Get over yourself.
>>282631088Those stories are about making the fans want the girl so the girl gets to be whatever. Having an appealing main character alienates that audience.
>>282629586what about if a harem series has 1. an MC whose design you find attractive, but has the same personality as the average MC2. an MC which has the same design as the average MC but has a stronger personality(less passive, less predictable, more eccentric)
