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It's Dungeon Meshi worth to watch or it was just a passing fad?
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>>282588102
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>>282588102
It's very LGBTQIA+ friendly, so make of that what you will.
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>>282588102
Watch an anime by a good studio like KyoAni instead.
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>>282588102
>Missed the boat on the #1 fantasy manga after Berserk
You'll never understand.
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>>282588102
Easily the best fantasy series in a long time.
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>>282588175
What do you mean by that
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>>282588102
Every day that I don't get to watch season 2 is agony.
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>>282588102
it's worth a watch and a read
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>>282588102
It's shit
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>>282588272
I think he's referring to the lesbian pedophile who's in prison for human trafficking.
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>>282588102
It's excellent and just gets better as it goes along.
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>>282588272
Falin is a """woman"""
Thistle is a """man"""
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>>282588102
it's the most tumblr anime i've ever seen and it's glorious
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>>282588102
Feet need to be hotglued
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>>282588175
Only a queer would be able to use and say that nomenclature
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>>282588249
The threads every new issue were fantastic. Catching some of the foreshadowing every issue, like the elves' notched ears and how the captain had his ears ripped off leaving his notch status a mystery. And the debates over Marcille's ears. Every appearance of Lauis' ultimate chimera. Man, fun times.
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>>282588102
You know it but not for feet
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>>282588102
I don't think the anime's good enough to justify watching over just reading the manga. That being said I thoroughly enjoyed the manga.
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>>282588102
I liked it quite a bit. Just don't read into what the twitter fags think about it and you'll be good.
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>>282588632
I don't know where to read it, so I guess I'll just watch the anime.
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>>282588272
nts but the characters are pretty diverse in terms of body shapes, so maybe he's mad cuz it has a lot of different looking people getting along.
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>>282588102
S2 when?
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https://exhentai.org/g/3552100/411b10851a/
Behold, excessively meaty Marcille
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>>282588272
some of the characters straight up look like those ugly twitter edits that gays do when they "fix" an image
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>>282588102
The manga is better, the anime doesn't do much to enhance it.
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>>282588752
No they don't
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>>282588102
Wish I was more like Senji. Show is great.
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>>282588132
That's the worst advice I've ever seen anyone ever give. Listen closely: life is too short to waste on fiction you don't enjoy. You do not have the time, money, or sanity to try everything. This is what you need to do instead:
>heavily research what you plan to watch/read
>get a feel for who likes it and how they talk about it
>ask for advice from people who think like you do
>spoil the ending for yourself beforehand so you won't accidentally watching something that will just make you upset
Also, taste is not a personal thing. Humans are largely the same everywhere and tend to like the same things. You are not an individual; you are a member of a group.
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>>282588175
There's one (1) confirmed LGBTQIA+ character, and she's in prison for human trafficking and pedophilia.
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Past a certain point I was only watching it for the catgirl and Marcille's ears.
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>>282588102
Imagine a regular isekai, but with worse than usual characters, don't bother.
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It's good if you only watch the parts where Izutsumi shows up, skip the rest, it's filler.
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>>282588102
If you have to ask "should I watch x" just don't.
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>>282588102
The Falin show? yeah it's worth watching just for Falin
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>>282588102
haven't watched the anime yet, im waiting for it to finish before i do, but the manga is peak. the story is pretty basic but the characters are so much fun. I love izutsumi.
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>>282588102
I am so unbelievably sick of all the ESL retards on this site
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>>282588102
what does elf feet smell like?
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>>282588667
Buy it.
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>>282590169
lol no way fag
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>>282588102
fuck off we're full
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>>282589154
>Be cattle watch cattle approved shows.
Are you a person of jewish views of some sort by any chance?
>>282588102
Give it a basic three episode try and see for yourself. I like the characters and the cooking gimmick personally. The world minutia is interesting too.
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>>282588175
Even the bible has sodom and gomorra
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>>282588102
Perfect Manga Perfect Anime. Little no romance despite HINTS
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>>282589154
What a profoundly retarded statement on all accounts.
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>>282588272
Diverse, inclusive and body positive, or in other words, ugly as fuck.
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>>282588102
https://files.catbox.moe/qb85dr.png
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https://files.catbox.moe/5sd817.png
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>>282588102
The manga is really solid. The threads are pure cancer
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Yes
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>>282588102
I still can't believe the final page of the manga is just Laios, Marcille and Falin having sex with each other.
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>>282590553
>Didn't go for the ass despite having a spare tentacle right there.
Such a gentleman tentacle monster. He's so kind.
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>>282588102
It is, it's funny as hell and genuinely entertaining
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>>282588102
>It's Dungeon Meshi worth to watch
Not unless you want to make your eyes bleed.
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>>282589986
Kui is one of the worst Japanese designers. Her designs have too much diversity and not enough aesthetics. It's like what westerners would make.
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>>282590066
Falin's got okay boobs, but it's really not worth watching just for her.
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Don't watch dungeon meshi. It's boring and the action scenes are bad.
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>>282589154
It takes all of 10 minutes for me to judge whether an anime or game or whatever is good. Wasting my time with research would be retarded.
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>>282589154
>don't think for yourself; the post
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>>282589154
Between this post and the OP you could have watched three episodes of a show you were curious about.
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>>282589154
>spoil the ending for yourself beforehand so you won't accidentally watching something that will just make you upset
cowardly and gay advice
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>>282588272
the sexiest character is the male dwarf, and straight women don't exist so it's gay
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>>282588102
It is not the best thing ever, but it is a fun casual watch. I'd say that you should watch it.
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>>282591865
I think you might just be gay.
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Kui's designs and world building are second to none so it's a shame a lot of it simply doesn't make it into the anime. The manga will always be the better option because of this.
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>>282588102
Generic native isekai with a cardboard characters. For the first 12 episodes nothing happens, then they start to reveal the setting, but it's not like it's really good
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>>282588102
It's a pretty typical netflix cartoon, decent if you like stuff like Legend of Vox Machina
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>>282591514
That's where your mind's at? The majority of the cast are slim and attractive people, why are you so focused on the select few bit-characters? Even the antagonist is a cute shota
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>>282588102
I must impregnate Falin

three times at least
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>>282592501
Shuro...
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I don't understand OP. Does he only watch things that aren't a passing fad? In that case he must have only watched like 10 series or something.
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The manga is good and /a/ liked it before it got adapted
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Remember this dwarf an has a fetish for Tall-men
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>>282588272
Probably talking about tumblrs favourite pedo dyke
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>>282591989
opinion discarded for obvious reasons
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>>282592603
/a/ and /tg/ liked it
the threads were so comfy but now we have a dedicated schzio
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>>282588102
Its probably the best medieval fantasy anime of the 20's, how much worth that is, now that is another story entirely.
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>>282588102
Better than that other elf show in my opinion.
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s2 when?
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>>282592612
Thought it was pockets?
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>>282588102
It's more fun than Frieren
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>>282588102
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>>282589986
This is brainrot.
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>>282592603
Most of /a/ didn't know this slop existed before it got adapted.
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>>282592777
>>282593205
Inferiority complex? Frieren is way better in basically every aspect.
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>>282593493
Frieren is the most overrated shit in years
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>>282593713
How rude! Laios is not a "thing".
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>>282588102
Yes
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Consider Momcille
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>>282590161
It's a spectrum from vanilla to chocolate.
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>>282589154
Are you stupid?
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>>282589340
All those halfoot were of legal age.
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>>282590736
A true gentleman toilet tentacle monster would suck the shit out.
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>>282589154
>>heavily research what you plan to watch/read
No thanks, I don't have time for that, I'll just watch/read/play something if I happen to encounter it and it looks good.
Then if it turns out it's not good, I'll stop watching/reading/playing it.
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I enjoyed the mango more than the animu but it's still great, it fleshes out the characters more with voice and movement but has less environmental detail and there's no volume extras or the like, which added a lot to the worldbuilding, a huge strength of the series. It's even better if you're not deranged because of culture wars.
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these threads were so comfy before the anime now it's full of retards
SAD
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>>282589154
Oh no! I lost one 1 (one) hour by watching 3 episodes of an anime I may dislike!
How will I ever recover!?
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>>282588175
There is literally only one faggot character, and she's a lesbian pedo who has like 3 lines in the manga.
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>>282589154
>heavily research what you plan to watch/read
>get a feel for who likes it and how they talk about it
>ask for advice from people who think like you do
>spoil the ending for yourself beforehand so you won't accidentally watching something that will just make you upset
That takes way more time dude
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>>282588534
It's always fun to read a manga that actually rewards the reading paying attention.
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>>282589154
I will bet you a thousand dollars you have never accomplished a single thing of note in your entire life, not even so much as won a child's footrace.
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>>282588102
Read it. Don't interact with the fan base. Even posting this thread was a mistake on your end.
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>>282590008
>Shitro decide to chase an autismo instead of marrying this cat
He was gay
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>>282591514
Ah, hello again.
How are the PSG threads going?
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>>282592734
I have to wonder how threads would be now if the studio chosen to adapt it wasn't the target of a single autist's obsession.
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>>282595075
>toxoplasmosis speaks
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>>282595099
There was a lot of love put into the anime and that's what is important.
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>>282590008
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>>282592734
>/tg/ liked it
This is the worst thing you could say about anything. This is by far the worst, most hateful, toxic place on chan. It makes /pol/ look like a fucking kindergarten party.
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>>282595287
So them being able to get along and enjoy it should speak volumes, anon.
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>>282595297
I don't want to like anything liked by the people I hate, simple as.
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The season 1 threads were pretty comfy. It was neat seeing all the different meals anons were making each week.
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>>282595287
dumb tourist /tg/ has always been one of the good boards outside the space marines general
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>>282595340
This is a dumb way to be, since I can almost guarantee that everything you like is also liked by some people you'd dislike.
Literally letting niggers living rent free in your head decide what you can like or not.
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>>282593470
You mean you didn't
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>>282595380
Fuck off cancer sperg.
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>>282592603
>Beloved /a/ manga get anime announced and suddenly newfag shit on it and pretend the series was hated since the very beginning.
Every fucking time.
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>>282595512
The storytime leading up to the final chapter was the swan song of the quality of these threads.
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sex with half-elf
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>>282593493
I respectfully disagree. They're both very much based on D&D-adjacent sword and sorcery norms but the way each is presented is clearly defined on what kind of group and DM you'd enjoy playing with. Frieren is a campaign clearly designed for vanilla autists who just want more political driven storytelling and "traditional" world building that beckons back to pre-60s fantasy but with modern anime norms. Dungeon Meshi is the kind of campaign written by a DM who clearly has been doing it for a while and wants a good mix of fights and clever use of rolls and character building to make the story more interesting with the emphasis on resource acquisition while in a labyrinth setting. For me the latter is far more interesting and has a better mix of serious and comedic moments than Frieren while also having better pacing and character development although it helps that the manga ended years ago and wrapped things up in a pretty solid way.
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>>282595583
Ogey https://litter.catbox.moe/467haulynr9oz902.png
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Frieren and DM are the best way to explain the difference between Japanese fantasy and native isekai to the uninitiated.
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>>282593493
Frieren is hard carried by a good adaptation, while the source material is just fine at best.
Same with Bocchi the Rock.
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>>282592669
>>282588345
>>282595031
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>>282595714
I'd hardly call Frieren based on D&D. It's a very direct spin on Dragon quest like 99% of isekai. Its worldbuilding and politics are similarly incredibly shallow because they only exist to frame a generic demon king and hero's party setting. Dungeon Meshi being set on a single island gives it a massive advantage in developing its locations, but the extra materials really shine a light on how much autistic planning is quietly influencing things in the background and the little details.
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>>282588249
>fantasy manga
>look inside
>postironic food analogy
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>>282596035
>post-ironic
Elaborate.
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KOT
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>>282588102
the characters in this look so bad besides the girl
the knight and dward look so basic and boring
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>>282596089
Why are you suddenly talking about Frieren?
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>>282596116
I jest, Frieren is fine.
I just have an inkling the post I replied to wasn't exactly in good faith.
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disgusting woke slop made by a westaboo japanese bitch.
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>>282596178
Pretty sure 10 years ago people would have said she's delicious chocolate and fap to her
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>>282596178
>DM is the first anime to portray brown characters
Don't tell this tard about Slayers or basically every 80s fantasy anime
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>>282596218
>twittoid spergs are newfags
Shocking!
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>>282589154
Retard
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>>282596218
10 years ago people did not fetish browns
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>>282588102
It's a very fun read
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>>282596254
10 years ago was 2015
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>>282596254
Yes they did anon
delicious chocolate/brown threads were a regular thing on this board and others before the woke mob coopted it
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>>282596178
Better than your favorite isekai.
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TRIGGER DONO SS2 WHEN?
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>>282596357
After P&S season 3
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>>282595936
Otta is the 2nd hottest canary
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>>282596354
youjo senki? I don't think so kek
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>this shit again
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>>282596483
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>>282596417
FUAK
I'm fine with this
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>>282596551
pisses all over your fag slop
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>>282596565
How does it feel watching things that will never end?
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>>282596565
Please, anon. You've already embarrassed yourself enough
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>>282596254
Tamako Market came out in 2013 and every thread was full of posters who fapped to Choi.
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>>282599532
Remainder: Marcille's mom fucked a tallman.
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>>282595057
Can confirm as someone almost as retarded as that guy is
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>>282594281
Shameless maneater
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>>282591798
>>282595024
The amount of people who wish they could regain the hours they lost from TTGL after that gay ending is staggering.
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>>282600616
Those people were weak.
I can rewatch TTGL as much as I want without my enjoyment being dampened.
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>>282600616
What the fuc kare you talking about gurren lagan had a great ending
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>>282595936
Otta needs her own spin-off where she just hits on every half-foot girl she sees.
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>>282588102
mogs mushoku tensei and re:zero
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>>282588102
get out of here anon, you had 10 years to join to the monthly manga threads
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>>282589154
People are attacking you but you are 100% right. I am extremely picky with the media i consume. Be it video games, Movies, TV Shows or books. If something looks interesting and its finished, then i will check to see if the finale has something i won't dislike, and based on that, i will continue. Watching non spoiler reviews is also good. A couple months ago i watched Thundrbolts cause everyone was saying it was good yet those were the worst 2 hours of my year so far. I also watched Superman because people were salivating over it and it was mediocre. Then finally you have the Fantastic 4. The trailers looked boring but people said it was ok. You think i watched it? Hell no
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>>282601677
Someone who repeatedly watches new Hollywood superhero movies is not "extremely picky" about their media consumption. I'm saying this on the off chance that you're serious and this isn't based on an ancient pasta I've never seen before.
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>>282589154
>Spoon feed me only things I will like!
>My life is too short to form my own opinion, everyone else should do that for me!
Faggot
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>>282595759
How did you get this image of my harem?
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>>282602366
I consider myself picky. Each Anime season i only watch between 1 or 2 Anime. I only go to the theater 10 times AT MOST per year. And when it comes to vidya, so far this year i've only played three new releases.
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>>282601677
>A couple months ago i watched Thundrbolts cause everyone was saying it was good yet those were the worst 2 hours of my year so far. I also watched Superman because people were salivating over it and it was mediocre
You must be actually retarded to even think about watching those movies in the first place.
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>>282588272
what he actually means is that he's from /v/
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>>282588175
Based based based
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>>282601598
This. If you didn't join in the monthly threads as the manga was ongoing and discussion was mainly theorycrafting you missed half the experience.
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>>282596178
>Three black side characters in a gold rush town filled with all kinds of people from across the world?!
>I'm going insane
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>>282588102
Unironically one of my favorite series of all time.
The author actually explored synergies, ecosystems, the surrounding world building of the and interactions between the various species down to underlying metaphysics that define the entire story.
I love this fantasy adventure.
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>>282603061
There was nothing interesting left to watch
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>>282588102
>It's Dungeon Meshi worth to watch
you mean read
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>>282601486
At being boring and having a dull and uninteresting world.
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>>282592818
Her specific fetish is something like “clothing and accessories made for tall-men being worn by a tall-man” or something like that I think.
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>>282605544
It's race specific equipment.
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>>282588102
no cap, op? it's quite goated fr, possibly with the sauce. In short, it's bussin.
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>>282588102

It relies on similar things to Frieren, namely the small uneventful moments of adventuring life. The main plot takes a step back and the focus is on character interaction. If that´s your thing, sure, it´s worth a watch.

I couldn´t say if it´s a passing fad but it´s certainly the approach many fantasy stories are taking these days. The aforementioned Frieren aside Fumetsu no anata e and Ancient magus bride did something similar too. If Witch Hat Atelier ends being like that as well we may be able to speak of a trend.
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>>282592777
>>282593493
Frieren is a fine, slightly above average fantasy manga, Dungeon Meshi is one of the best fantasy manga ever made. It's not even close. I'd take Dungeon Meshi over ten manga with Frieren's level of quality. It's not even close. Meshi's characters are far more multifaceted, Meshi is more intelligently written, its art is better. Dungeon Meshi is funny, Frieren's attempts at comedy fall totally flat. How many times have they done the stupid "Frieren gets bit a mimic" thing?
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>>282606101
>Dungeon Meshi is one of the best fantasy manga ever made
Then how did the show end up being one of the most boring fantasy shows ever made?
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>>282606101
>its art is better
Bait? DM is incredibly ugly and Frieren is one of the best looking anime.
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>>282606370
Nta, but Frieren is fairly generic in terms of art while Dungeon Meshi shows how the author doesn't neglect body studies.
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>>282606469
you're talking to a shitposter, anon
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>>282606469
>generic
Terrible argument when it looks visually appealing. You can't have too much of a good thing. DM looks bad because it tried too hard to be different.
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>>282606101
> its art is better.
DM is known for having ugly tumblr tier character designs, though. And it's also poorly animated with plenty of corner cutting, I know because I, unfortunately, wasted my time on it. I think episode 4 was worst IIRC, the whole orc fight was indicated to take place off-screen. We were basically just shown stills and the aftermath.

>How many times have they done the stupid "Frieren gets bit a mimic" thing?
Not as many times as DM has done a clownish face.
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>>282606370
You're talking to a shitposter fanboy, don't bother.
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>>282606101
I think comparing the two is a waste of time. Frieren doesn't really do anything well enough to be put in the same conversation as DM.
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>>282606535
>Frieren doesn't really do anything well enough to be put in the same conversation as DM.
You're out of your mind. Pure delusion. I'm happy that Frieren is number 1 on MAL and DM won none of the anime awards.
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>>282606661
Popularity contests were never an indication if something is actually good.
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>>282606719
In this case, it is. DM is laughable production values compared to Frieren.
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>>282606719
You people really deserve him if you refuse to ignore the most obvious spam imaginable.
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>>282606737
I think you're the only one who talks about animation in this discussion.
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>>282606101
this is obvious to anyone who hasn't been ruined by culture war brainrot
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>>282606809
I think you're the only one who talks like DM is the second coming of christ and thinks it's better than Frieren.
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>>282606808
Don't remind me.
I miss the threads before the anime.
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>acts like Dungeon Meshi is the best thing ever
>gets given some criticism
>proceeds to cry and delfect
Not very intelligent.
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>>282589154
Absolutely assblasted the cattle in this thread
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>>282606808
I should apologize to the people that said this would happen before the anime aired.
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>>282588102
Manga was beloved.
Anime airs and people love the anime for the same reasons.

Nah it's good. Fun adventure.
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>>282588534
I will never forget the absolute meltdown a schizo anon had over Marcille being a half-elf.
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>>282588679
Panty and Stocking just ended, no idea if Trigger will be working on something else.
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>>282607028
I remember it being a guy that was 100% sure she was a half elf and everyone being like maybe but you don't need to say it over and over in every thread. Then she was and I guess he felt good.
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>>282588717
Marcille being this curvy feels so wrong.

>bbm
Into the trash it goes
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>>282607051
Yeah after other elves appeared Marcille's ears being fatter was a sign.
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>>282607051
Yeah the half-elf anon spammed it in every thread. Lot of people agreed but some went in the opposite direction to get him to shut up. One anon in particular argued hard against it so that whole thing was mostly two autists screaming at each other.
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>>282596254
Were you fucking born yesterday?
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>>282588102
worth it, loved the anime and the manga and am looking forward to the next season. it's not the best out there but there's something very personal about it, like while reading you can feel the authors autistic affection for the world and characters bleed through.
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My favorite thing about Dungeon Meshi is how clapped and ennui-ridden elven society obviously is. Being a canary is passed off on society's biggest losers and fuckups even though the literal fate of the world hangs in the balance because they're pretty much ready to go.
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>>282588102
Not yet, wait until the anime ends or read the manga
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>>282595936
The funny thing is she's not that popular among tumblr crowds and they made up fake yuri cope with marcille and fallin.
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>>282588272
The blond guy's sister has a handholding lesbian moment with the elf - a very famous scene even outside the fandom
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>>282607813
Farlyn is super autism. She doesn't realize that smothering another women with her breasts is yuri.
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does the manga go deep into the cooking or is that something the anime expanded upon
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>>282607648
Actually, the canaries are lead by nobles and the fuckup losers are used as disposable canon fodder. It's a surprisingly good system that makes constructive use of felons
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>>282588958
I think anyone can find a joy for cooking once they know how to make their favorites.
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>>282588102
Too real
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>>282606840
The manga is indeed better than Frieren
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>>282589154
or get a brain and be able to see if it will be good by half an episode?
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>>282596052
It's autistic as high fantasy but ironic as silly Tumblr comic, with a layer "oh it's just dnd joke"
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>>282609176
It's not ironic at all, the writing comes from a sincere place.
Don't confound comedy with irony.
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>>282608222
yes
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>>282605990
What? Meshi is very very plot heavy.
Atelier too, kinda, though it feels like it's taking forever to take off
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>>282606101
Agreed.
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>>282606469
Anon, that post is from the troll that has been trying to tank DM's reputation along with trigger in general in /a/ for more than a year
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>>282606990
I knew it was gonna happen, but I never would have guessed the shape it took.
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>>282607244
>One anon in particular argued hard against it so that whole thing was mostly two autists screaming at each other
Many such cases!
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>>282608297
Yes, but by the reject nobles. You don't see firstborns or people with actual prospects (except for Flamela).
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>>282609176
I don't think it ever invokes DnD specific jokes.
In fact, I think Kui isn't a tabletop gamer at all
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>>282589154
Life is too long to care about small shit like that.
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>>282588102
Patas
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>>282596261
I really liked how he was a creature that couldn’t be reasoned with. For some reason it feels so uncommon in anime/manga, and even western stories these days
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>>282589154
>Anon makes obviously facetious post making fun retards who don't think for themselves.
>SEVENTEEN retards or (hopefully) bots reply in seething rage who can't into thinking critically.
It's all so tiring.
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>>282588389
I want to fuck both so it's okay
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It's just triggerslop
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>>282609950
She's just a based CRPG player.
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>>282606101
Crazy how many people are convinced otherwise. Simple minds rule the Earth.
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>>282606661
this
Frieren is undisputed MAL favorite just like those other shonenshits
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>>282588102
It's just Night at the Roxbury; How long can you drag out one joke?
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>>282588272
>Almost none of the replies give a legitimate response, only Low-IQ shitposts
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>>282610806
Ironic shitposting, etc., etc.
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>>282589154
holy TRVKE
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>all the Meshi love ITT
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>>282588102
it is worth it
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Chilchuck should have bred the mule
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>>282613401
Marcille isn't interested in little kids.
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Reminder that Chilchuck's daughters want to fuck a big fat wealthy dwaf
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>>282589154
If you don't have time to watch an hour of anime and find out whether you like it or not you have mismanaged your time.
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>>282609928
Even Flamela is an exceptional case, she insisted on being a canary and takes a front-line approach due a lot of repressed anger over her dead sister
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>>282613484
Well, considering that he knocked up his wife when both him and her were minors....
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>>282595380
That always was just a meme. /tg/ is fucking garbage.
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>>282588102
Anime is a solid adaption but the manga is one of my all time favorites.
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>>282614361
Or they have a job
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>>282588102
Orcs don't want to fuck elves in this anime, that is enough reason to not watch.
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>>282604819
SEX WITH DARK ELVES
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When will kuri work on a new project...
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>>282588102
It's one of the few anime Tumblr approves of because of the Westernized aesthetics, the lack of sexualisation/fanservice and the abundance of LGBTQ+ coded characters and themes
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>>282614927
Tumblr approves of everything. You know that back in 2014 I found out that every single person on tumblr was actually on 4chan.
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dumb question, any difference between Netflix or what I could get on Nyaa?
want to watch this
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>>282614969
It's the same thing.
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>>282614927
This.
It's OK and fun to watch, but it's very Netflix, which gets annoying at times.
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>>282615025
thanks
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>>282614927
Obviously this poster is retarded but does anyone know why tumblr people say sapphic instead of gay or lesbian?
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>>282614927
Yeah it has enough fuel to run their delusion
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>>282615030
The fandom is the annoying part. Just avoid them in places like Reddit.
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>>282615064
Their delusion is a result of a total of 2 scenes. 1. The bath scene which is taken out of context and 2. The English VA saying "whoa hey" when Falin takes her shirt off. They will go through a great amount of mental gymnastics to dismiss the mountain of evidence that proves otherwise. I've seen these people claim that Marcille's succubus being a man proves she's gay because he looks kind of feminine. The story is absolutely not to blame for their delusions.
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>>282607800
well yea that's what they do in any fandoms
they go tumblrize all the popular characters while ignoring the actual gay/trans/whatever characters
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>>282588102
It's worth READING
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>>282615146
>I've seen these people claim that Marcille's succubus being a man proves she's gay because he looks kind of feminine.
What? That's stupid.
Ever since the changelings we know that even the least feminine elf looks like a femboy. It's just how they look.
Also Marcille being massively into this noble romance noble thing since the kelpie shot.
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>>282606990
>>282609888
it was so predictable
>>282608222
the anime skimped out, actually
there was more in the manga that got skipped
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>>282606101
I think that because the Frieren manga looks like any dime-a-dozen isekai, it had more to gain in the adaption. While DM could only downgrade in the art department.
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>>282615146
>2. The English VA saying "whoa hey" when Falin takes her shirt off.
In what universe is that an expression of lust?
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>>282610806
Believe it or not, I don't think that guy was being facetious. There's a guy who actually says he spoils the end of things before he watches or reads because he doesn't want to be triggered by sad endings, and thinks that anything with a sad ending is objectively bad. He will also go into threads for things he chose not to watch and try to derail them.

>>282614665
Cithis isn't dark enough.
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>>282615146
They also love to ignore how Marcille clearly treats Falin like a child. Bed scene in particular is notable for how a lot of people go "oh my god they're sharing a bed and looking at each other with a warm smile they're in LOOOOOOVE" but for some curious reason entirely disregard how Marcille says "aww, but you're still my little Falin!", which happens to be just one of many examples where Marcille is being infantilizing towards her.

From how Falin reacts and behaves with Marcille, you could argue that the former is attracted to the the latter, sure. There's no solid evidence, but it's an understandable take-away. But acting like this feeling is reciprocated and expecting you to think the same is typical shipfaggotry delusion and insanity at its finest.
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The second cour was significantly worse than the first, primarily due to way they treated falin as a plot device instead of a character and the bloating of the cast well beyond the party into "i dont give a shit about these fags" territory
The gimick itself was also starting to become stale, but it could've worked if they doubled down. Instead they backed off and tried to heckin worldbuild, which it was already doing a fine enough job in the first cour
Sex with marcille
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>>282617128
Falin was never intended to be more than a plot device. So that isn't a real criticism.
Sex with Izutsumi.
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>>282617290
>she show is bad on purpose
Okay
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>>282607028
I'm not that anon, but I agree. I always despise it when the author pulls a switcheroo out of nowhere.
>well actually X has been a Y all along!!
Fuck off Kui. The worst thing about the whole debacle is that I'm sure that she was intended to be an elf from the very beginning, but Kui allowed herself to be influenced by xitter shitposting because, unfortunately, she is a xittard.
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>>282617673
>but Kui allowed herself to be influenced by xitter shitposting because, unfortunately, she is a xittard.
what in the name of christ are you talking about
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>>282588717
off model and out of character, that's not Marcille in any way.
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>>282617692
Ryoko Kui. The person who drew this manga. You sure you're in the right thread?
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>>282589154
>life is too short to waste on fiction you don't enjoy
>heavily research what you plan to watch/read
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>>282588389
all elves are created equal (in terms of breedable)
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>>282588102
I want to fuck Falin. I want her to fuck my ass with her futa dragon cock, I want my guts to swell and burn with her cum and get pregnant.
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>>282617770
yeah, show me the "xitter shitposting" and explain how kui is a "xittard" exactly, please
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>>282617847
Oh, you are a tourist. You are in the wrong thread.
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>>282617958
yep, total tourist, new to DM and ryoko kui and all that. so, are you gonna finally explain what you mean for those who aren't aware, or are you gonna keep avoiding it and lose credibility?
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>>282617804
most sane /a/ poster
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>>282612525
Because the original claim is a shitpost itself.
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>>282588102
Ugly feet
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>>282614655
>being interracial
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>>282614927
Tumblr loves plenty of anime, though.
For starters, they love basic shonen and shipping little boys
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>>282588102
Yes
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>>282617128
Falin was also a plot device on the first cour, so I don't really know what you're talking about.
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>>282617673
I don't think she even has a twitter account. Not an official one at least.
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>>282596254
People already fetishized brown girls 20 years ago.
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>>282610145
>I really liked how he was a creature that couldn’t be reasoned with
Yeah, Laios was hard to read.
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>>282590008
helping kot when she goes into heat!
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>>282618410
The dungeon has Falin.
Billions must fry.
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>>282592192
man even as bait this is insulting
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>>282596178
whoever wrote this is a tourist, probably burger
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>>282606370
The post you replied to was talking about manga, not anime.
I think anyone with a functioning mind would agree that as far as manga is concerned, Dungeon Meshi's art is leagues above Frieren's.
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>>282604633
You don't NEED to go to the cinema, anon.
There's a gigantic backlog of good films you can pirate from over the years.
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>>282617673
The rounded ears are too explícit of a detail to not be planned since the start.
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>>282617673
There were plenty of clues.
Also, her being a half-elf is extremely plot relevant, so I very much doubt it was just a thoughtless chase for clout.
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>>282611065
You're cool if you know this character.
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>>282593657
Nah you're wrong, frieren has boring parts
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>>282588102
why are ESLs like his?
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>>282588389
I can't accept this thing as a man, it's too distracting.
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>>282595936
Based
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>>282614521
>repressed
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>>282617673
>>282619022
It is plausible she changed her mind (there are 3-4 rounded ears elves in volume 1 which would mean half-elves were supper common while it feels they are not, because else everybody would notice Marcille is a half-elf).

But if it happened, it was really early on, before anybody caught on and definitely not due to some fandom pressure like the delusional anon thinks.

Lots of stuff was changing in the long-term story intentions early on.
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>>282618410
Once she was rescued she should have been part of the main cast
The simple way to do it would have been her slowly turning into the dragon over time and they have to descend further to find a cure with her actually being present to add to the group dynamics
Having her get saved in an admittedly really cool mid season "finale" was great, but taking that away immediately after was gay. The show would have been better if it had been done differently
I'm not saying the show is bad btw
I liked it alot, but I'm not going to not criticise it when I think it deserves it
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>>282620073
While I understand where you're coming from, it seems to me that your criticism comes from the story not playing out like tou thought it would, rather than any objective flaw.
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>>282601309
Female half-foot ADULTS average 110cm.
the average human woman is about 165, hebes are ~145 and lolis ~125
If we assume the same ratio, a hebe halfling would be 97cm and a loli 83cm.
IMAGINE
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>>282617673
Is every stupid fucking post in this thread by you
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>>282618358
Ugly opinion
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>>282616619
They conveniently ignore that Marcille was an adult when she met Falin, as a teacher's assistant to a magical middle school.
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>>282617958
be a gay nigger somewhere else please
>>282618419
yeah, if she has a twitter we don't know about it
she has a wordpress where she posts art and that's it
>>282623732
Marcille was an older teen when she met Falin
she's still an older teen btw
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>>282616454
First off, there isn't just one person who does this; it's a fairly common practice. Secondly, it's not about "sad endings"; it's about forced endings that don't match the tone of the work. Too many directors will force a bittersweet ending when it doesn't fit the story. But nobody—nobody—complained about a sad or bittersweet ending in series like Cowboy Bebop or Code Geass. Furthermore, nearly all anime that have ambiguous non-endings, which make the entire series worthless in retrospect.
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>>282627063
>older teen
I could accept 19 but she was a grad student. She was mentally an adult.
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>>282627200
she was and is mentally an undergrad
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>>282627237
She joined the school as a graduate student doing research.
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>>282589154
>spoil the ending for yourself beforehand so you won't accidentally watching something that will just make you upset
You almost had me for a second, great bait.
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>>282627407
yeah I am aware it does not change my statement
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>>282627200
The whole "mentally X age" thing with fantasy long lived species has always been retarded. They might physiologically be like a teenager, but they'd still have 100 years of life experience. That doesn't make you mentally a teenager. That makes you mentally 100 and also hormonal.
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>>282628248
Well she was a baby for like 20 years and like 40 when she was at school so she did have the experience and mind of a 20 year old.
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>>282628248
Marcille was physically and mentally a toddler at age 20 or something6
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>>282626356
>I value my time, that's why I spend it in hours of research and opinion sounding instead of just forming my own opinion
More power to you, I guess.
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age of maturity is 80 for an elf but ultimately it doesn't even matter because marcille is a haafu and to my knowledge their age of maturity has never been confirmed
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>>282628647
I hope the anime will provide with this scene
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>>282628647
Eww, imagine touching your familiar
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>>282629071
What are the signs that an elf has matured?
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>>282628579
>>282628745
She wasn't mentally a toddler at 20, just physically. Her body wasn't growing but she could talk and think normally, or at least a much more advanced level than her body was on.
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>>282588102
The anime is good but it cut some details from the manga and the extras, while not vital for the plot, helps fleshing out the world.
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>>282629835
She was pretty behind when 13 tho.
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>>282607800
I can’t wait to see their mental gymnastics when they find out that elves are only considered adults at 80 years old, half-elves live even longer and Marcille not only is 50 but also was a literal toddler in body and mind when she was 13. Also some half elves still look like little kids even past Marcille age, she just matured physically faster due to half-elf erratic growth.
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>>282629918
It's a weirdly direct adaptation of the manga. I know there's a lot of people who consider that to be the holy grail for adaptations, but different formats change how things are conveyed. As a result the anime feels kind of abrupt and empty. You don't get the same sense of time and distance between panels and chapters. The extra materials would have been the perfect way to break up the pacing of the story so it wouldn't feel like it was jumping through it all so quickly.
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>>282620017
Chilchuck characterization was different on the begin too I assume the plot and world building was very loose early on and only got fleshed a later.
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>>282630178
The explanation about how resurrection is risky was lacking in. The anime, only a short line said right after the reviving scene. DM would benefit from some short omake after credits explaining certain things
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>>282628647
I WANNA SEE THE SUN
BLOTTED OUT FROM THE SKY
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>>282630178
>>282630345
Makes me kinda upset when I think about how Frieren could afford mini-episodes in addition the anime just for little skits but DM couldn't have the same thing for the soulful omake
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>>282630345
An omake would be better than what we got, but ideally they could find a way to turn the extra materials into B plots and side stories to weave into the story in a more organic way. A lot of the more technical ones would make sense as flashbacks to Marcille's college days, and a lot of others are just various conversations that the party would have had at points.
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>>282590553
Okay, but where's the scene where they eat it after and she's disgusted but then gets curious when they explain how delicious it and decides to try it and unexpectedly loves it...and then the punchline is that the part she's eating is the one that was in her womb? Haha.
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>>282616619
Both siblings have an arguable attraction to MArcille, more tenuous in Falin's case. This is why the scamdywegian sandwich ending is canon.
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>>282627190
You're definitely not who I was thinking of then.
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>>282588102
I liked it
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>>282590553
Thank god this wasn't scat
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>>282594203
Completely nude Marcille is best Marcille
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>>282588717
>>282607129
>Nanao Yukiji
>fucking bbm shit again
I guess he is one given how most of his works are like this
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>>282614624
You have 8 hours to sleep, 8 to work, that leaves 8 for commuting, servicing your body and entertainment. Again, if you can't fit an hour of anime in there you are either doing it wrong or already meeting your entertainment needs.
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>>282595380
>/tg/ has always been one of the good boards
/tg/ was good during the period between its inception and the first moderation apocalypse.
Once moderation killed all creativity and board culture, you were left with a husk of a board full of generals ping-ponging between reddit with no nicknames and /v/.

Ignoring all /tg/ lore, yes, this manga and the anime is best enjoyed by people who actually know a thing or two about these topics.
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>>282633414
The book of the Great Devourer himself.
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>>282618371
Did you mean "being into interracial"? Or you mean I am interracial because I like interracial?
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>>282629071
I think ever halfie is supposed to have a different growth rate
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>>282630178
>>282630510
As far as I know, the only time they did this was with living armors, and it worked well there.
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>>282634455
I think I was drunk when I made that post.
Probably the first one?
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>>282588102
Fleki and Lycion have kinky nasty SEX while the other canaries listen and you cant convince me otherwise
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>>282635498
lycion fucks in his furry form while fleki is high on shrooms
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>>282620219
It's an objective flaw that the goal of the second cour is exactly the same as the goal of the first especially after literally achieving their goal the first time
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>>282588102
To me it at least has historical value in that it reminds me a lot of the Tumblr era (2012 - 2019) sensitivities.
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>>282595936
>>282599532
>they this
>them that
can someone fix the retarded pronoun shit because it's unreadable beyond this point
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>>282620469
I don't know what a cm is
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wild fairy
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>>282636994
What would you prefer was used to refer to a group of people?
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>>282636994
Anon, it's used as a plural.
What do you even want? Are you ESL?
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>>282588102
It's good.
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>>282595822
This right here. Also, Dungeon Meshi is a completed story, while Frieren or Bocchi seem to have lost the plot in the manga version.
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>>282636994
Is this how culture war brainrot looks like?
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>>282589154
I bet this retard watches anime at x2 speed.
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>>282588249
Not everyone likes gourmet-based anime. Besides, bringing out Berserk as a good fantasy anime was unfortunate.
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>>282628647
Imagine the color contrast
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>>282614927
>Sapphic
Words clearly created by men pretending to be women
>>282615337
Also this, Marcille it's literally into the bishonen's Lady Oscar fandom of his world
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>>282638142
He said manga.
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>>282638361
Woukd Laios be willing to count her nipples?
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>>282595380
man shut up, don't give away the ghost!
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>>282595936
My favorite interpretation of this is all her girlfriends keep breaking up HER, because due to the age progression difference, they all mature and realize she's no good for them. While see stays the same immature criminal.
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>>282637060
what a cutie
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>>282599532
shoulda been "shortacon"
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>>282588102
The humor is pretty good
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>>282606101
The problem with Frieren is the problem with a lot of manga: it had a really interesting hook and even pilot/opening chapters. But then obviously it could not stretch that hook out into a well developed on going series.

Meanwhile Dungeon Meshi not only has a great hook, that hook is relevant through out the entire story and comes through in a big way in the climax. And aside from all that, there's a lot of very clear, very obvious intention put into the world. Kui Ryoko not only thought a lot about the world, but thought a lot about how the world would result in messy, not easy to answer problems and made those fundamental to many of the characters. It's not just world building, but the logical follow through of what that world building is, that makes it so compelling.
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>>282615057
Because they're paying the tax to the wider queer political alliance. If you say they're gay or lesbian, you're inviting a division from bisexuals, or the others in the Rainbow Alliance who don't want to categorize themselves along a "straight-gay" system for whatever fucking reason.

By saying "sapphic" or "wlw" you highlight your fetishistic interesting strictly in it being two women being romantic, regardless of whatever "sexuality" they may have. Paradoxically, I imagine there's also an aspect of making it less "sexual," since gay and lesbian are pretty common terms used to describe the sexual acts themselves.
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>>282599532
>shortacon
heh
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>>282595031
>>282589340
>ignoring falling and the elf's obvious romantic chemistry
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>>282639067
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>>282639067
Marcille thinks of Dalin as a child and Falin is too autistic to understand that holdingholds while in the bath is inappropriate behavior. Also, Marcille's succubus shoots that theory dead in the water anyway.
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>>282588132
First post best post.

Stop looking for validation from other people and start forming your own opinions.
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Anyone ever release good subs for this? The Netflix subs always suck ass. I know heavenrend did the first episode. But stopped checking if anyone else had finished it.
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>>282638695
only possible haptically
or do they have white outlines?
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>>282588102
A fad of 10 years in the making here on /a/ AND /tg/. It's just that Trigger tourists shit on everything like usual but it was a great adaptation.
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>>282589154
lmao your retard advice would take longer than just watching a couple episodes to see if you'd like a series or not
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>>282593470
Kill yourself my man
>>282595512
Happens every time
I don't mind adaptations because they introduce people to good stuff but fuck if they don't completely ruin any form of discussion (also mods refuse to make a manga only board)
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I need a new manga in this world.
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cursed ship
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>>282642002
>tallchuck/halfcille
Optics matter a lot. It's not like the situation changes if you ship them in their original forms but it's still more palatable.
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Hey do you remember when some guys posted some ship about laios and marcille and one autistic guy got buckbroken because his lesbian couple isn't canon
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>>282642618
No ships are canon, anon. Not a single main character has canonically had sex. Except Chilchuck.
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post not Marciel
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>>282637023
centimeter
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>>282588102
>It's Dungeon Meshi worth to watch
It's boring dogshit, do not waste your time.
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>>282605761
kek
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>>282595287
cute maomao
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>>282616811
wtf
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Pet the kot
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>>282619047
The major clue was her being visibly different from full elves.
And you know, her dad being human, a plot point that isn't secret at all.
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>>282639134
Our hero the pedo slave trader
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I stopped watching when they showed laios and chilchuck getting fed medicine mouth to mouth by the lady orc but they cut it during marcille's turm
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>>282644586
>chilchuck getting fed medicine mouth to mouth
you haven't actually watched it
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>>282595075
>gay
No he's just inept because his hag caretaker was his older brother's cumsock
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>>282644426
To be fair, one of the only other elves we saw early on also had rounded ears, and that look in general seemed like it was meant to help Marcille look goofy and pathetic as part of her early role as the butt of the monster eating jokes.

Of course it turned out that other elf was also a half-tallman, so let that by a less to all those who doubt Kui.
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>>282630081
Marcille has the mind of a child (she's 50 and the age of majority for elves is 80), and she sees Falin as an even smaller child.
If she thinks Chilchuck at 29 is a child, then Falin at 23 is definitely a child in her mind.
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>>282638361
Made to be defiled by the tallmen.
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>>282628248
I think the assumption is that long-lived species have brains that grow really slowly.
Mentally speaking, they're not really human at all and you can't map their ages perfectly onto our own.
Beyond a certain point, you can just say they're an adult and it doesn't matter, but are you really going to say Marcille is mentally on par with a 13-year-old human in picrel?
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>>282645302
This would coincidentally jell with the common modern fantasy interpretation of elves being unable to be as creative or proactive as shorter lived races. If one interprets it as them taking longer to form more neural pathways and the like.
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>>282645302
Kek
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>>282611001
>>282640579
still can't make new threads, tranny?
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>>282588102
I never watched it but from the many images and screenshots I've seen I can tell the blonde girl (Marcille?) has an insane foot game.
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I'm having way more fun with Tower Dungeon compared to Dungeon Meshi, partially because it's not so weirdly asexual.
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>>282646876
>trying to start console wars between DM and TD now
Oh no you don't, retard
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>>282645586
That has always been cope to allow shorter livers to stay competitive.
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The anime is genuinely enjoyable but the fans are mostly shitlib tumblr users. Just enjoy it and then ignore the fan base
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>>282647375
Yeah, it makes no sense. They would just be retarded if it was like that.

If you want to have elves in setting, you gotta accept they will be superior, actually that's the core theme and fucking point.
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>>282648258
pic unrelated btw
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>>282648258
>you gotta accept they will be superior
Never for as long as I fucking live
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>>282638361
>>282645162
Vantablack skinned girls are pure sex.
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>>282588102
It would be worth watching if it wasn't for the fact that you can read it and it's even more worth reading.
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>>282588102
Watched it because everyone wouldn't stop glazing it and I had an OK time.
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>>282646876
>Tower Dungeon
>not weirdly sexual
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>>282645162
Shpo is so good. I like how he did the shine on her skin in the other position.
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All these people arguing about whether Marcille should fuck Laios or Falin lack imagination and spirit. Why the duck would there be a choice between the two when she could have the Touden sandwhich
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>>282649156
read again
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>>282649273
>>282646876
Even worse.
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>>282649093
>glazing it
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>>282588272
I am gay for Mithrun
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>>282646876
>dungeon meshi is asexual
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The fans made me hesitant to watch this show but I did end up liking it. This show does have some of the worst fans I’ve ever seen though
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>>282650030
hot
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>>282595287
>>282614584
>>282633659
are you sure you're not confusing /tg/ with /tv/
Because holy fuck man, the things i've seen
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>>282646876
A lot of people fuck in Dungeon meshi. It’s just never onscreen and not within the main party.
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>>282646876
>>282651440
To be honest, I'd say that Tower Dungeon (though I love it) is weirdly sexual, rather than the standard.
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>>282652006
Yeah. Weirdly sexual is Nihei's thing.
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never been a fan of cooking shows, even less so when the recipes are literal fantasy.
tried to watch it twice, but a good chunk of each episode is dedicated to cooking. my eyes just go unfocused, and thoughts of what visual novel i should read next take the lost information's space.
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>>282652006
Well the entire story was seemingly kickstarted by the fact the king couldn't keep his gravitational beam emitter in his pants, it's only fair his son follows the suit.
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>>282589154
10 times out of 10, people who follows this advice ended up having the worst life ever and the worst level of depression -- which is ironic.

In the effort of chasing and consuming only 5 star quality entertainment and media, you will never find it and it will never find its way to you. It's just the rule of how things are.
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This show sucked ass brother. I would pass on it Unless you enjoy obnoxious slop like Black Clover.
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Fuck marcille is infertile
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>>282588553
The feet are a nice bonus tho
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>>282652979
I'll prove she's not
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>>282652979
>Fuck marcille
i will
unprotected
raw
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>>282595287
Clearly you've not visited /vst/.
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>>282592777
Absolutely. It even tackles the entire point of Frieren (differing lifespans) better. And that's just one part of Meshi.
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>>282596218
IIRC 10 years ago the manga debuted.
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>>282652006
well, the bottomless wizard shows her pussy every time she casts a spell
I didn't read much further than that
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>>282652979
Lion could solve it, Laios had Lion's magic residual. She's going to become pegnat.
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>>282617128
I actually had the same exact criticism when I finished the manga. If the second half had to focus on saving someone, it should have been somebody else aside from Falin. For example, Marcille.
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>>282652979
Kinda ridiculous considering Tall-men can have fertile offspring with Ogres and Half-foots but not Elves who look more similar to them.
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>>282588102
Just because someone could argue that it was just a passing fad doesn't mean it's not worth watching. I didn't care enough to watch it while it was airing, but I actually liked it a lot when I watched it later. I really appreciated the callbacks to previous episodes without relying on constant obnoxious flashbacks
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>>282653521
Anon...
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>>282588102
It was great, but it ended so we are waiting for season 2.
I enjoyed the manga more than the anime, tho. I was pretty upset with all the censorship on the female characters and grotesque panty shots of Senshi.
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>>282645162
And so it is that the wise king Laios I the Hungry formed an alliance with the elven nation.



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