Mushoku Tensei is better than FrierenCharacters in Frieren are unilateral, get no character development at all besides the MC a few times, they never show their flaws, weak sides, they're just shallow, perfect models, even their faces don't change in the eminence of death MT is way deeper, characters react differently, they change with their experiences, even tertiary ones
>>282609785It is completely uncontroversial that anyone retarded enough to enjoy Mushoku Tensei would not be able to appreciate Frieren
>>282609817I enjoy Frieren, it's just inferior
>>282609785Brown.
>>282609785lmao
>>282609899Self Projection?
>>282609785What's so special about Frieren besides the racist Elf?
>>282609785>Characters in Frieren get no character development at allGood, I like my women with long hair.
I remember some Japanese Youtuber going around interviewing Frieren cosplayers and they all said they prefer Mushoku Tensei.
>>282610201Frieren is the ultimate>this quirky girl is literally mecharacter
It shouldn't be controversial at all, just technically subjective.MT is objectively a more interesting and complicated story than Frieren. While it doesn't make it better, the opinion that it is better makes plenty of sense. Even if I'd rather read Frieren than MT's manga.
>>282609785Don't care. I see haremshit, I avoid.
>>282609817FPBP
>>282612274Enjoy avoiding like 99% of history books
>>282609817savage fpbp.but also true, which makes it savageĀ² fpbp.
>>282612274based
I just can't bring myself to give a shit about Frieren and it's characters. They're just so basic, they're all just a fantasy world version of Jin-Woo. Aura farming with low level angst, because at the end of the day Frieren is just your typical battle shonen with pretty animation, it's not a real story it's a carnival ride while Mushoku Tensei is a journey.Namaste
>>282609785Mushoku Tensei is a pedo anime.
>>282609785Kinomi Master is better than both.
>>282613409>Mushoku Tensei is a pedo anime.So?
>>282609785That's not a controversial opinion that's just a fact for anyone who read the source material for both Frieren and MT.There are a few autists out there who deny it but basically very few fantasy series can beat MT especially the source LN.Frieren isn't bad either its a good series so its ok to like both.
>>282612274Based
>>282609785Sometimes popular things actually earn it Mushoku Tensei is not one of those
>>282609785How about, they're both fucking fine and completely different from eachother. Frieren is a story about an elf realizing she should have sucked that guy's dick a couple hundred years ago. MT is about a guy getting a second chance at life and overcoming his personal issues. They're totally different shows with different plots and objectives. Why bother comparing them? They both have their merits and demerits.
>>282609785I fucking both hate them. You have these interesting settings but the author just wastes them by having the characters do mundane shit for x amount of chapters/episodes. I get it you want to sniff the panty, okay you want to go shopping whatever.
NOOO I NEED MY ACTION AND SPECIAL EFFECT EVERY 10 SECONDS I CAN'T TAKE IT!!!
>>282614113This applies to both anime
>>282609785>Mushoku Tensei is better than Frieren
>>282609785>they never show their flaws, weak sides, they're just shallow, perfect modelsyou didn't watch frieren, did you?
>>282614827>they were sad for a few minutes that one time.
>>282609785>T is way deeper>S2 is completely about "my penis lacks erection"
>>282609785Man the standards for fantasy anime have fallen so far that anything that isn't the most generic isekai ever is scene as good.
>>282615061>posts the most generic AD&D campaign ever
>>282615211still better then both the anime in the op by a mile.
>>282609785>ControversialSir please wash your skin it's too brown.
>>282615257Don't be that guy who makes liking old things his personality. You have a lot to gain by gaining experience and forming your own opinions.
I shit on Frierenfags on sight and even I'll back them up in saying that MT is pure slop compared to Frieren.Also, in the case that this is a false flag trying to get me to watch Frieren: fuck you, never ever.
>>282609785Both shows are complete garbage
they're both popular enough with their own audiences and have their flaws and merits. they're also both general audience appealing slop.
>>282615341>general audienceMT is literally a women deflector and you don't become mainstream (attracting general audience) by being repulsive to female species
>>282609785Mushoku Tensei is a multi-generational epic.>>282615061Lodoss Wars is just a DnD session. That's literally what it's based on.
>>282615382this is bullshit in general, it's only the case with a very small minority of militant activist foreign anime watchers who are against anything controversial, the same people who want to censor everything. MT is not as popular as Frieren with a female audience, but there's a sizeable female fandom for it regardless, and some of the characters occur at a very high frequency among female cosplayers.
>>282609817FPBPMushotards BTFO
>>282609785One is a masterpiece of a generation. Another is pedo fulfilment slop
>>282609817Fpbp
>>282612274Unfathomably based
>>282614858>that one time mc's dick stopped workingMTfags really find this a deep, meaningful character development do they?
>>282615849>>282614975>making light of Rudeus's EDShame, shame on you. That's a real fucking issue for him, especially considering how much of his character is based around libido and sexuality that he could never exercise because of how fucked up his previous life was. Him only being able to get it up for a girl who truly loves him is admirable, if not relatable. Of all the things to pick to criticize about the show, you pick his limp dick? For shame.
>>282615382>women deflectorIf there's one thing I've learned from trudging the depths of anime, it's that there's a dedicated female audience for just about every show except for shit like Girls und Panzer. Some fujoshi out there is deeply affected by Rudeus's struggles and your glossing over her smelly existence is an unforgivable crime.
>>282609817I enjoy both, but having actually read all of the MT LN's, and having read none of the Frieren source material I think I can confidently say that Frieren is probably more coherent and well put together. If we're just comparing the feels of the first seasons of anime, both shows are honestly masterpiece comfy fantasy adventure.
>>282616005>ED is le DEEPholy cringe
>>282616005>for a girl who truly loves himSaid girl told him that she wanted a monogamy relationship and then the fucktard just ignired it all together
>>282616018>except for shit like Girls und PanzerI find that very hard to believe. Something tells me that's just a show you don't like and you're being a ninny about it.
>>282609785Literally every aspect of MT is well put together, it's obviously miles better than Frieren, a series that entirely relies on its quirky gimmick premise as a hook, that immediately gets dropped so it can become a half-assed slice of life and battle shounen mix. You literally have complex family dynamics in MT. You get to watch every single character grow from child to adult, every single experience they've had and how they matured and see it all be passed onto their children, then see said children grow, with it generating realistic family dysfunctions. It's not even comparable to shounen slop
>>282615849It wasn't about his dick. It was about being abandoned and finding love.
>>282609785>Characters in Frieren are unilateral, get no character development at all besides the MC a few times,MT has no character delevopment, he started as a pedo and still is a pedo who groomed 2 girls fucking pedolover
>>282609817Fpbp.Not because I dislike Mushoku but because OP is a retarded shitposter
>>282610201Fern is fat
>>282609785mushoku is 8/10 sloppafrieren is 6/10 sloppawatch better anime
>OP just take Frieren because there no incest in it
>>282616072For Rudeus it is. I was never tied up to the school gates naked and humiliated in front of anyone. ED is the least of his concerns. You can't help but feel sorry for the poor bastard.>>282616108Her concerns about fertility played into that. She gave it the okay, and plus, Sylphie could never compete with Roxy in terms of the emotional importance she carried with Rudeus. Sylphie was just a girl he saved. Roxy was the key to his power. It's more a statement of Sylphie's grace that she would allow Roxy into their home, and it's proof that she (and many elves) are best girl.>>282616114I loved GuP but even I can't believe there are female fans of it.
>people criticizing frieren>"vanilla boring ass fantasy setting, flat characters, unfunny, inconsistent animation, a fucking 12 episodes exam arc for the most op character in existance because she can't pass a gate or something, the retarded power level bullshit, aura farming, muh 2deep first 4 episodes">people criticizing mushoku"uhm i watched the first episode and he's a PEDO 1/10. "
>>282615714which is which?
>>282609785MT is a 9/10 anime until the unnecessary haremshit Overall 7/10
Frieren played it too safe, she should've been lot more cold and distant and develop over time but I guess it would've been less marketable
>>282609785ice cold take.
>>282616152This. Freirenfags will never recover
>>282616338Sylphie isn't an elf though. She's 50% human, 25% beast, 25% elf, and has an unknown portion of her bloodline tainted by demonic heritage in her Laplace factor. She is in biological classification a mongrel.
>>282616152>every aspectSchool arc is shit.
>>282609785Yes Mushoku Tensei is suprisingly better than Frieren by i would say 45%, you end up realizing the characters evolve but also go backwards and get worse form time to time not many stories do that type of hero journey were the character actually fucks up get's depressed and does not move on for a long time.
Reminder that Rudeus had a sharp mind and was still doing lots of shit well into his elder years, and only started going senile when Eris died.
>>282616405The maraschino cherry atop my sunday is entirely necessary fagola
>>282609785
>>282616405>unnecessarykys tourist
>>282616152this but unironically
>>282616531This image makes me happy
>>282609817Absolutely brutal
>>282609785First season of Mushoku, specifically the buildup and the Dead End adventure are better than Frieren anime. But the exam arc in Frieren shits on the ED, Fitzshit and university arc that it's not even funny. The falloff of from the first season is actually impressive. Despite how much I enjoyed the first season, as an overall package Frieren anime is better.
>>282609817I've never seen Mushoku Tensei, it's probably shit. However, Frieren is monstrously overrated. Character's don't talk to each other they monologue at each other. Whether it's their sad backstory (and then Himmel showed up) nobody asked for or some longwinded diatribe about mana they're telling another mage who should already know this.There are far better anime out there and they all cross the low bar of having characters talk to each other and not to the audience which Frieren fails at.
>>282609785this is true
>>282609817You killed him!
>>282609817First post best post, as they say
>>282609817pedo tensei hipsters in shambles
You can actually judge a lot about someone's personality based on if they prefer MT or Frieren. If you like Frieren more it probably means you're boring and shallow.
>>282616629>thirdie haremshitters call someone a tourist
You can actually judge a lot about someone's personality based on if they prefer MT or Frieren. If you like MT more it probably means you're high on your own farts and want to rape children.
>>282617045see? no original thoughts
>>282609785The ED school arc was really fucking dumb and Rudeus cheated on his pregnant doormat but I like the sword styles. The magic system in Frieren is more basic.
>>282617045Many said this and still do, rudeus is a pedophile and that past will never disappear.
>>282616180Re0 did that better desu.
>>282617045What if I think both are just okay and kind of fall off after the first part/season
A seething FMAfaggot made this thread.
>>282617125remove all the shounensloppa and it's correct
OP neded attention , and you gave to him.
>>282609785>prefer MT over Frieren>prefer MT at allReminder that Mushoku Tensei is normalfag first sloppa. If you like it you should watch more anime and lurk for 2 more years before posting.
>>282617275but enough about re;zero. mt filters all the normies by the end of the first cour
>>282617292>re zero out of no whereYour inferiority complex is showing
>>282617301i thought we were talking about normalfag first sloppas
>>282616743>I've never seen Mushoku Tensei, it's probably shitModern /a/, everyone. Tourists who barely watch anime yet still think they should be able to voice their opinions.
>>282617292>normiesGo back to MAL, Reddit or whatever shithole site you crawled from.
>>282617333implying you have watched rin to saku or takopii this summer, kek
>>282617312There are too many written articles about getting filtered by re0 for that.
>>282617349who hurt you?
>>282609817OP absolutely btfo'd forever
>>282609817Based
>>282617416Frieren > Ubel > Fern
>>282613462Trvke
>>282609785>two retards fightingModern japanese fantasy is almost always so bland, derivative and formulaic in general. For every made in abyss and housekai no kuni we get 100 shitty dnd/dragon quest 'inspired' isekai trash.
>>282617416>coombrain image>samefaggingyeah, all the iMTellectuals are sure btfo hard, haha
>>282609817FPBP/thread
MT is utter trash and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>282609785>I think blank is better then blank.Grow up. Its just your opinion. It is just a single opinion in a sea of opinions. It does not matter.
>>282619405>112 postsit mattered
>>282609785Pointless discussion.Bookworm mogs both.
>>282616348>>people criticizing mushoku>"uhm i watched the first episode and he's a PEDO 1/10. "Have read all volumes.Read the extras.Yes, is IS a pedo and can't shut up about it.
>>282620007That's strange, since there aren't any children other than his once he grows up.
I, for one, can't wait for third season that comes next year.
>>282609785>Shit is better than piss
Frieren is middling fantasy for josei watchers who want to self insert into the girls and/or masturbate to the guys.Mushoku Tensei is just yet another isekai fantasy series designed for modern weebs to self-insert to except the plot is fucking stupid and is basically a vehicle for Rudyās wish fulfillment harem. Might as well read Parallel Paradise if you want slop that is actually entertaining.
Burger underage newfags fuming because "muh pedophilia" Anime is not and never will be for westerners, freaks.
>>282621198even the harem shit was foreshadowed at the beginning
>>282617096Re0 has the worst romance of any Isekai.
>>282616152BASED AND TRVEASEDANDTRVE
>>282617351I have watched Takopi, and I've never voiced my opinion on Rin to Saku because I've only ever read a few chapters of the manga.
You can always tell if someone is retarded if they mention an "ED arc".
>>282616005Didn't he cheat on his pregnant wife?
>>282622597To be honest I never liked the fact that he got with all three girls. It just seems so convenient that every woman he loved in the course of his life (except for Sarah) stays a virgin and ends up with him. Like I fully expected Eris to show back up with multiple children from different fathers, given how she acts like a semi-feral child at the best of times.
>>282613850>Sometimes popular things actually earn itNot the case of Frieren since it's mid>t. used to read the manga before the anime was even announced
>>282609817
>>282622777Dude that would be fucking terribleIt would ruin the story if every girl had a prior relationship, what's the point of going around picking up women who've been fucked before and already have kids?
>>282614827These moments are comedic and fluffy. Frieren lacks sincerity, it's the ultimate reddit anime.
>>282609817fpbp of the week, holy shit.
>>282622597It was a romanticized version of ED anyway>>282622777We can't have that in a wish fulfillment story. Our audience's surogat will marry his groomed childhood (girl)friends, and he will take their virginities, and they will think about him and only about him for at least 10 years after he dies.
>>282622966>surogatsurrogate*
>>282609817Fucking destroyed Pic related: OP
>>282609785I think this is an apples to oranges comparison. I don't think they're trying to do a similar thing, the main thing they share is magic. Mushoku is denser, more intensely paced, and has plenty of development at this point. But it leans into power, isekai, and pervy, fantasies pretty heavily, although it is sometimes balanced by the character dev and explicit character flaws. I do think the 40 year old man pursing children takes away from it being a serious work of fiction, even when it tries to address it in realistic ways.Frieren on the other hand is contemplative, asks interesting questions about mortality, its own world, the magic systems, and the fantasy genre as a whole. It's a different type fiction and is largely family friendly which I think makes it a more earnest work.
>>282609785I've never seen Frieren, so it sits in a quantum superposition of good/bad to me. MT on the other hand is so bad I had to drop it near instantly, so I'm gonna give it to Frieren here.
>>282609817I don't watch both shows but I can feel the damage being done here.
>>282609785>>282609817Well it seems OP's opinion is indeed controversial.But also correct.
>>282622419Imagine the smell of those lolis
>>282623363Just curious, what is he supposed to do? date 40 yo women as a 15 yo kid in the middle ages?
>>282623634Retarded westernfags inserting their pathetic morality into a fantasy medieval world.
Frieren is the most greatly animated thing to ever be boring as shit to me.
>>282619973yes
>>282609785Counter argument, Jobless is inferior due to itĀ“s very nature as a isekai slop and Rudeus is an unlikable cunt. When people talk about character flaws they mean stuff like being insecure or arrogant or maybe about an unhealthy obsession with food, they donĀ“t mean to excuse actually reprehensible behavior like that of a pedo, a cheater or an anxiety cripple.If Rudeus was a decent enough person you may even feel bad about him being a tool for a god but he is so pathetic you kind of donĀ“t give a fuck. Frieren, at the very least, can carry her own show and her show is actually about adventuring, even if the focus is on the slow life part of it. Rudeus show is about him looking for a cure to impotence when he should have been out there looking for his family. His show is on the level of Re: Zero at best. Even Konosuba is legit better because Kuzuma at least embraces that he is a piece of shit that deserves nothing. Rudeus resist it and feel entitled to happiness for some reason.
>>282609785Mushoku Tensei = 4chanFrieren = Redditsimple as
>>282623726>westernfags inserting their pathetic morality into a fantasy medieval worldAnd yet asoiaf is somehow one of the most popular contemporary medievalistic fantasy series out there, curious.
>>282609785True. Also Mushoku Tensei has a male protagonist and polygamy. Nothing Frieren does could ever hope to match the highs of MT as everything in it revolves around women.
>>282609840https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPtAiLxBDh4
>>282624058I remember they were fangirling over 13 year old Daenerys being sold to barbarians because the leader she was being sold to have babies with was hunky. These people have no real morals.
>>282609785I agree with characters being flatter in Frieren, but that's about all MT has over it. I guess you could argue it has a more fleshed out lore too, but its lore is so stupid I wouldn't count that as a plus.
>>282617084And there's nothing wrong with it.
>>282622777Please don't bring your cuck fetishes in here.
>>282624515What is MT's lore?
Both are overrated zoomer anime.
>>282623726braindead weebs trying to detach all context and morality from a western-inspired fantasy story with an mc from the contemporary world, so they can slurp up slop without having to think about what they're ingesting.I'm sure it's really hard to do any critique when the only reading you do is of children's flip books and subtitles.
>>282609785Frieren starts great and that's all it takes to hook people, it also lacks all those "icky" elements that normies can't handle with animeMS starts fine but grows on you as it goes but it's full of "icky" stuff so its audience is limited
>>282625838>no u
>>282622777It's not convenient, every female character he marries is written as an outsider/social reject that he interacts and bonds with strongly from the beginning. I think the only one that would've had plenty of options would be Sylphie if she were allowed to grow her hair out and be feminine, since she is canonically very attractive and has no other issues once her green hair vanishes
Pretty much MT shows both sides to a character and shows meaningful internal conflict between characters
>>282610548>Characters in Frieren get no character development at all>Good, I like my women with long hair.
>>282611891does the latter have romance?
>>282610548Speaking of which, I thought this was just some weird japanese-exclusive trope but this shit actually happens often in western series too, I just never particularly noticed it.
>>282625093I mean worldbuilding. History, geography, politics and all that.
>>282609817damn you killed the OP you savage, he can't cope anymore
>>282619973This. But let the shiteaters argue among each other. God forbid they drag it into this.
>>282622597We received the best arc because of it
>>282619973characters orbit her and she is the centre of everyones universe despite not doing all that much
>>282627890Explain.
>>282628316>single handedly flipped the economy on its head>reformed her duchy's noble kids education>conquered a duchy and became its ruler>saved the country>casually chats with gods>made the new queen her mana-bound slave>etcYeah dude, she didn't do that much. I wonder why people keep mentioning her in their sidestories
>>282616405There is no haremshit in MT, just harem.haremshit = multiple girls vying for single MC (bonus points if he's allergic to seeing women in anything more revealing than a hijab) ending with a confession and possibly a bonus time-skip chapterharem = the MC has a harem of girlsKnow the difference.
>>282628540I've only watched the anime so I don't know about the rest of that, they were orbiting her for selling paper as far as I know
>>282609817OP really thought he was saying something calling Frieren shit while rolling in the mud himself kek
>>282628316>>282628540>the world revolves around the MC in a female self-insert fantasyImagine my shock!
>>282628458Just watch the fucking shows.
>>282629039So you're just talking out of your ass, got it.
>>282628582Wrong. Haremshit is harem that is shit and MT fits that perfectly
Can't be heterosexual and dislike true harems.
>>282629805Most shows that get called "haremshit" don't even have any harem in it, so you're retarded and wrong.
>>282629524My guy, I've read the LNs in the original language up to volume 19. I'm not going to write an encyclopedia of the MT's retarded worldbuilding to make the obvious point that there's more worldbuilding in it than in a manga where there's barely any worldbuilding at all.
I want to fuck Zenith.
>>282632005Me too. Primarily the brain damaged version.
>>282631973I'm sure you did
>>282609785loved both in the beginning but they both fell off hardsad
>>282632703
>>282609785>Mushoku Tensei is better than Frierenyou're extremely low iq. Few shows have worse characters, consistency and story telling than tensei. I don't want to watch the adventures of some sociopath with multiple personality disorder.
A miscarriage would be the preferable option if you knew you were going to be raising a 40 yr old pedophile larping as a kid, no sane person would agree to have such a "child"
>>282609785Mushoku Tensei is better until the last 3 episodes go full retard
Lord of Mysteries mogs both.
>>282632171Based and same
>>282633137What's wrong with being pedo, and why are you so obsessed with us?
>>282609785Non-isekai can be criticized and there's nothing wrong with disliking non-isekai.Isekai is inherently trash and can not be defended.
>>282633429The only mystery is why are you posting this chink shit on /a/.
>>282633773heh
By seing this thread i got it, i got why /a/ has such shit taste.A series being good doesnt come from "uuh, the story is ~~le complex~~" or "actually the mc dick doesnt grow because he's sad, do you get it? Sad guy? Sad PENIS" A good work of anime happens with a bunch of other factors>voice acting>writing>art direction>director>sfxAnd a bunch of other gay shit, Frieren and Mushoku are both good, but Mushoku fags cant even reach the necessary understanding of "why is this piece of work good?". You know whats better than both? El chavo del ocho, but i cant even talk about why because you fags cant understand shit about movies, anime or even manga. Goddamit, even plain text on a book makes you all go nuts, i talked with some fag irl and he said MT is Lord of the Rings level of writing, HOW DOES HE KNOW? HE'S DOESNT SPEAK JAPANESE, HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW EACH CHARACTER TALKS BY THE AUTHOR'S VISION.Now i will say someting very painful to you, novel readers. If you don't know the original language of a novel AND the culture the author presenced you are not on pair about discussing the real value of the work of a NOVEL. Sure filosophy is different since translators REALLY TRY to pass everything istead of just translating.
>>282609817Pedotenseifags on suicide watch.
>>282631973Sure you did, pal.
Mushoku Tensei is a stupid ass pulled, cognitive dissonance driven "happy story". Not only "Rudeus" gets away with lying about his nature for most of his life, but he had to get the future traver plot line to be happy. Pure and insane power fantasy for "morally gray" midwits
>more than 30 years of cultural impact>still more relevant than new shit like frieren and mushokuHow does Mushoku and Frieren fags even cope? Hirohiko Araki wrote a fucking story that isn't about a gay sad depressed guy finding redemption after being a shit person or anything frieren is about, but JoJo is just more relevant, has more stories and more artistic powerlevel demonstrated by manga pages.You all act like you are smart and shit but i doubt that any of you would be capable of getting why Araki is such an amazing artist or why his works are so important for the culture you consume. I bet people like you jack of to crap like mushoku while shit on Naruto or some other shonen, while naruto required a more deep level philosophical understanding to be written, Deidara and Sasori chemistry is just "quirky anime thing" for you, isnt it?In 20 years, MUshoku will be forgotten, JoJo, Naruto, or even things that are not shonenshit will keep being important. Its not bubblegum crisis, its not LOTGH, its just a low level story for low iq people.
>>282634712Just Deidara and Sasori are more deep than the faggotry of mushoku. THats what you need to be better than mushoku, and any shonen has shit like this all the time.
>>282634712>My dad can beat your dadGrown up anon.
>>282634846YOU CANT DENY IT, MY DAD REALLY CAN BEAT YOURS
>>282609785>Characters in Frieren are unilateral, get no character development at all besides the MC a few times, they never show their flaws, weak sides, they're just shallow, perfect models, even their faces don't change in the eminence of deathMushoku Tensei is a more sensational storyline, that puts characters through a roller coaster of emotion and development, that's true.That doesn't make it a better story.Harry Potter isn't a better story than Lord of the Rings.MT is harry potter: Relatable characters in power fantasy with huge, splashy fights.Frieren is LOTR: A story about the journey, not the characters. It's about the world, how it changes over time and how it doesn't, and how one man really can make a difference, even if that difference is in the form of influencing someone else in subtle ways, and that person then influences someone else, etc.to put it in less geeky terms, MT is The Matrix.Frieren is Bladerunner
>>282634929MT is a better story than Frieren thoughbeit.
>>282631701that would be harembait
As a Mushoku Tensei lover, the anime is a solid 3/10. Only the LN is worth consuming.
>>282634984>first person povSelf-inserting trash.
>>282634950>MT is a better story than Frieren thoughbeit.I disagree.It's a better *premise* sure, but it guts it's own story by constantly waffling back into classic anime tropes of high school antics, love triangles (hexagons?) and alternating between the actual plot and random side quests.The *plot* of Frieren is specifically her going on a long quest and how her previous experience as part of the Hero's party, and being the apprentice of the most famous mage has now thrust her into new developments, which she is growing increasingly prepared for because she's taking a *different* approach now than the last time.Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoy both. But MT shoots itself in the foot plenty when it comes to story.
The long-life induced angst in Frieren got old for me FASTMeanwhile Hitogami is a an excellent villain, genuinely scary and sinister. Frieren has zero memorable antagonists. I mean what am I supposed to compare Hitogami to, Aura? lolOverall MT has more PATHOS, it is more dynamic, and the stakes are higher. It is also more perverted in a good way. Ultimately Frieren is normieshit you watch with your girlfiend, it knows this fact and it holds itself back. MT is actual, uncensored art
>>282635049>but it guts it's own story by constantly waffling back into classic anime tropes of high school antics, love triangles (hexagons?) and alternating between the actual plot and random side quests.what does this even mean? You 100% have never read it.
>>282635196>Hitogami is a an excellent villain, genuinely scary and sinisterHe's just a shittier Naraku. Except he doesn't have the decency to die.
>>282619973the anime was just bad, the source is good.
>>282622777Why would Eris do that when she left assuming they were married? She just went on a training arc as she is a shonen protagonist.
>>282622777>>282626953I did not and will never like the way Roxy was brought in as his 2nd wife, I don't mind that it happened, I didn't like HOW it happened and how a pregnant Sylphie had to accept the new reality, even if she seemed to accept it anyway. But how each of the girls got with him and how the family dyanmics evolved were good.
>>282635318>You 100% have never read itDid you not watch it then?are you defending something you didn't watch, because you liked the source material?
>>282635550I've watched every episode over 100 times.
>>282635049Frieren's story is objectively much worse. You see it in the first few chapters when Himmel and Heiter die. They were cool characters, and any story that has cool characters die is diminished in quality. In MT, the only relevant characters that die are the villain and Rudeus's father. And now that Frieren is toying with the idea of killing Serie it's beyond obvious that Frieren is the weaker story by far.MT is about a 9/10. Would be 10/10 if Paul had survived. Frieren is a 7 that will turn into a 2 if they kill Serie.
>>282635550>High school antics The school arc has some of these, but they exist only in the arc so they quickly go away. The purpose of the arc was for him to make some friends/companions for the rest of the story that aren't love interests. The plot was just for him getting over his emotional issues from Eris leaving.>Love triangles (hexagons?)There aren't any of these in MT despite the fact it has a harem. He is single when he gets together with Sylphy (with no one else competing), Roxy never does any of the typical love triangles stuff (it isn't common to baby trap a married man in anime), and Eris (and the others) just accept she is joining.The only thing you could call a love triangle is the one between Zanoba, his knight, and an inanimate 1/1 scale figure.>Side questsOutside of him hunting some stuff for money as an adventurer, basically everything else is relevant at some point in the future. If you disagree I would love to see an example.
>>282609817>fpbp upvote faggotry taking root on /a/What happens when you tolerate crossboarding.
>>282635985Your first week on 4chan? You're almost fitting in, just need to be less obvious next time.
>"he is le pedo!" x1000>"he is le groomer!" x1000>[makes shit up about the story that is easily disproved]. "This is why it's bad!" >"The story is super duper bad!" (provides no reasoning)>"The story is super duper bad... because [extremely vague shit]" (when asked to elaborate, refuses to)>"The story is super duper bad!" [starts making shit up, usually pretentious] "I would know, I definitely watched/read it!!!" [it's very clear they did not] >haremshit, muh ED arc, muh pedo, muh bad MCAt least try harder, niggas. This is just embarassing
>>282609785Frieren is bad by default for it having female protagonist.
>>282635049>The *plot* of Frieren is specifically her going on a long quest and how her previous experience as part of the Hero's party, and being the apprentice of the most famous mage has now thrust her into new developments, which she is growing increasingly prepared for because she's taking a *different* approach now than the last time.Translation: You WILL watch several episodes of shitty, aimless slice of life where they keep flashbacking to the more interesting hero's party journey until we get some tropey action shounen arc that just ends up being Frieren "aura farming" for the kids. Repeat until the hype dies out and the series can't be milked out for more money, so they decide to have some garbage, pretentious ending that will keep people talking about how deep the "symbolism" ended up being or some shit
>>282636321True. But Frieren is far less obnoxious than Fern.
dang, it was truly controversial
>>282636370I don't know who Fern is, so I won't speak about what I don't know.
Frieren is boring. MT is a lot of things good and bad but it definitely isn't boring
>>282636321And a female author.
>>282636426Fern is the stuck up high maintenance purple haired bitch who is way stronger than she has any right to be.
>>282634929Frierentards know only LOTR and HP, kek. Embarrassing.
>>282628643do you even understand how important paper is>>282619973couldn't have said it better
>>282609785>dogshit is better than cat fecesYeah no one cares faggot.
Frieren is better in one way: itās written with a little bit of maturity and intelligence towards the narrative and the themes it explores. However, that makes in unpalatable to the double-digit IQs. As a shounen itās not that good at all, but as a media analysis subject for triple-digit IQs itās pretty interesting.
>>282609785>I want a flawed character >NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!>WHY DOES HE LEARN THE IMPORTANT LESSONS, MARRIES THREE WOMEN, HAS SEX, AND GETS A BIG FAMILY >ITS NOT FAIR!!!!>MALE BAD FEMALE GOOD!!!
>>282619973Dude I'm more hyped for anime Angelica than you can possibly imagine.
>isekai
>rom com
>>282622934did you speedwatch every single himmel flashback?
>>282609817This post kills the paedophile tensei
Frieren = women making decisionsMT = men making decisionsMT > Fieren
>>282609785I recently stumbled across å“©å£äøēć®éę³ęč·äŗŗ after seeing it shilled in the isek/a/i general. At first, I was pretty excited, because the premise is absolutely fascinating and right up my alley.The story starts with a cataclysm meteorites rain down on Earth, and instead of just smashing things up, they completely rewrite the laws of the world. Anything electric whether itās batteries, wires, or even lightning itself gets crystallized into quartz-like formations. These crystals arenāt just inert; they release spores that infect animals and even some humans, mutating them into bizarre new lifeforms. Electricity is basically gone, replaced by this strange crystal phenomenon. Humanity has to adapt, and from the wreckage of the old world, a new magical civilization slowly forms.The way this magic system works is pretty clever too as by activating a crystal at its specific resonance frequency, you can trigger different effects. Essentially, the Magic quartz which is like an alien invasive species has become the foundation for spellcasting and technology, reshaping Earthās ecosystem into something alien and mystical. Itās an incredibly creative and unique setup the kind of thing that makes you think the author spent quite some time worldbuilding in a notebook before ever writing a single chapterAnd yet the actual story doesnāt deliver and live up to the setting.
>>282643075Thatās where the disappointment really hits. All that detailed worldbuilding is there, but the plot goes in circles or wanders into dull directions that fail to capitalize on the setting. Characters are shallow or unmemorable, events lack weight, and the narrative never manages to deliver the same spark that the premise promises. Instead of watching this mutated magical Earth come alive with compelling struggles, mysteries, and human drama, you just end up slogging through something that feels more like a technical manual for the authorās autism than a gripping novel.Itās honestly frustrating, because with that much effort put into creating such a unique backdrop, you expect the characters and story to match that intensity. But they donāt. The setting is wasted, the atmosphere goes flat, and what could have been a hidden gem ends up feeling like another generic slog dressed up in pretty lore.So yeah once again I got baited. I went in thinking Iād found another diamond like Mushoku Tensei, only to discover that nothing else really comes close. Say what you want about MT, but itās a masterpiece because it balances worldbuilding, story, and character development into something unforgettable. Compared to that, å“©å£äøēć®éę³ęč·äŗŗ just feels like wasted potential.Truly sad. Iām done getting tricked by these āhidden gemsā that turn out to be rocks.Thanks for reading my blog :(
>>282622934>Frieren lacks sincerity My dude the reason I like it is because it actually is sincere without feeling like it needs to be loud in order to say something
>>282615309You hate it but you've never watched it?
>>282609817/thread
>>282616005The fact that the story is even about that is the point, it's fucking stupid and should have never been written This scenario where the character is defined by sexuality ought not to have even made it into a rough draft
>>282616152That'd all be great except it's coomer wish fulfillment
>>282616338Image trying to justify this shit No matter how intelligent the writing is, trash is trash
>>282616629It doesn't matter how long it's been around or how important you think it is to anime, haremshit is still unnecessary
>>282623726Image thinking morality is subjective
>>282629805But harem is always shit
>>282630068Then draw a monogamy symbol on the fag flag and watch what happens You're the degenerate here
>>282634248There's definitely some good Isekai They're so different from normal Isekai that they really shouldn't even count as part of the genre But they are technically Isekai
>>282635817>any story that has cool characters die is diminished in qualityI see you belong to the superhero comics school of writing
>>282641344I'd ask how you managed to misunderstand the criticism so thoroughly but I'm sure your idiocy would be far more annoying than my curiosity can endure
>>282609785They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>282609817fpbp
>>282619474
>>282641344>learns his leasson>cheats on his wifeClearly he learned nothing and unlike his father he got away scot free.
With good series people will just talk about it. Not constantly compare it to other popular series what they believe it is worse, consonantly trying to cause console war style arguments
>>282609817They're like my #1 and #2 favorites but even then Frieren still has a major power gap over Mushoku. Just wish there was more sex.
>>282643574I don't read superhero comics so I don't get the reference.
>>282609785>Mushoku Tensei is better than Frieren>controversial
>>282644691It's a constant complaint about superhero comics that there's no meaningful tension because you know nobody is going to die or stay dead, and all the potential you can get from the fact that a character is dead just doesn't work or isn't allowed to work What I'm saying is that characters dying, even very interesting characters, can totally be great for a story if you're willing to commit to it and actually write about the consequences of their deaths and the hole they leave behind
>>282644726I don't get that complaint, I'm only happy when characters don't die. In fact before I pick up a story, I read through as many detailed spoilers as I can to ensure it doesn't have any undesirable elements and promptly drop it if it dips its toes in any form of tragedy. I adopted the practice after I read gunslinger girl. How I fucking wish I had never even picked it up in the first place.And I disagree. Great characters dying always makes a story worse. Especially if you're committed to it, because the more ivested you are in the characters, the worse it's going to feel when they die. At least when you read the spoilers and know beforehand which characters are going to die, you can avoid getting invested. Maybe even skip their parts altogether.
>>282644820Children aren't supposed to use this site
>>282644820weird cope manmy favorite girl in frieren died in like 2 eps after being debuted and while sad, i finished the show. tragedy is part of human life.
>>282644820>Great characters dying always makes a story worse.Jesus christ man grow the fuck up
>>282617542Frieren had really pretty hair, shame she almost never let it down.
>>282644820Pedotenseifags are such manchildren holy shit.
>>282644921>tragedy is part of human life.Exactly why it has no business being in works of fiction. Tragedy is unavoidable in real life, but not in fictional stories.>>282644923The older I grew, the more I've hated tragedy. I don't feel some kind of a weird juvenile compulsion to consume bad stories.
>>282644997>bad stories.they're not bad because people diedeath is a part of lifeit belongs in storieshow the characters that remain cope, recover, and deal with tragedy is an important part of a story as is tension created by the possibility of deathyou are trolling
>>282644974Intentionally torturing yourself is not a sign of maturity, it's just a masochistic kink.
>>282644997You don't understand what stories are for do you
>>282644997tragedy is the flip side of comedy, without it there's no point to drama at all. the refusal to kill people off or have stakes it why so much fiction sucks.
>>282645013They are maybe not bad because people die, but they are always worse for it. I don't care to read about characters coping, recovering and dealing with tragedy, I'd much rather read about something else entirely.I've read Mushoku Tensei perhaps three times now. I haven't had any desire to re-read any parts that deal with Paul's death. It's not fun or entertaining.
>>282645022Stories are for entertainment, which tragedy does not provide.>>282645048I feel the exact opposite way. Too many writers are willing to kill their characters, and it had ruined many storiest that could otherwise have been very enjoyable.
Rand's harem from The Wheel of Time > Rudeus's harem from pedotensei
>>282645150erroneous, you can't talk about /lit/ here
>>282623634
>>282645111>tragedy does not provide.It provides engagement and catharsis. And personally, I find the wish fulfilment stories more depressing.
>>282645150Yes, but if Eris had remained a loli I'd disagree.
>>282645196loli eris was peak eris
>>282645248Rifujin struck gold here. Definitely some author insert wish fulfillment, she's the perfect most attractive loli ever
>>282645296At that stage of life she's mostly a loli Rin expy.
>>282645296>she's the perfect most attractive loli everthat's a bit of a stretch in a medium packed to the rafters with attractive lolis
>>282645296Not even the cutest loli in her own show
>>282621251Puritanical zoomers are like that. They moralfag a lot about age gaps and consent but they themselves don't get laid and their zoomettes get taken by older men.
>>282645350I don't just mean physically though. Her overt emotions and attitude are peak.>>282645367Roxy is probably the worst loli in terms of attractiveness in MT. Worse than loli Sylphie. Her manga spinoff had so much fanservice that just didn't do a thing for me. I do like how her unique situation makes her overly attached, lonely, and horny and love her as a character, and I'd definitely hit, just wouldn't be my first choice.
>>282645432>Her overt emotions and attitude are peak.i can agree with that
>>282643350Rudeus spends years being a perverted virgin. He finally gets laid then gets his heart broken. He then mopes around for a while, and finds that the things that used to bring him joy don't anymore. He then tries to forget about lost love and return to the person he was before, but can't do it.Once he moves on, he is able to get his spark back and improves himself. He does become perverted again, but he mostly confines himself to those he loves instead of any woman going forward.How is this not a decent arc for a perverted character?
>>282645546Because it hurts my feelings when male anime characters have sex because I never have sex
>>282644356His father ended up with 2 wives, but was required to only fuck wife #2 when wife #1 was pregnant.Rudeus ends up with a god out to kill him and his family, solely because he married Roxy (specifically, wouldn't care if it was anyone else).Rudeus ended up with the worse deal in my opinion. Maid-wife was hot though.
>>282609785I hate both
>>282645588This is probably the most fair argument in this entire thread on both sides.
>>282645588maybe you should have sex dude
If you want a legitimate complaint then complain about how the punch line in this series is that the main conflict is just some seething """"god""""" trying to prevent one guy from procreating with three different women at the expense of plot and world building.Much like how the punch line in trails in the sky is some braindead bitch wanting to fuck her non blood related brother at the expense of the plot and world building.Much like how the punch line in SAO is some anti social guy being forced to have a girlfriend at the expense of plot and world building.Rom com fags and shippers are truly subhuman.
>>282644356his wife forgave him because she is full of grace, and probably because he was honest about it and confronted it immediately instead of lying about it until it was unavoidable, like paul.reminder sylphie is best wife and it makes anons seethe they can't have her.
I can at least tolerate frieren but I can't stand haremshit pedo self insert slop
get some new material
>>282645635well i love both. now you've been totally cancelled out. your vote has been nullified.how does it feel.
>>282645912But it's good if dandandan does it because it's kooky and zany and chuuni like Danganronpa and kill la kill!!!!!
>>282609785Not controversial in Japan.
>>282609817This was samefagged to hell.
>>282622934>Frieren lacks sinceritythe fuck, dude did you watched the damn show?
>>282646274Or just shows how much /a/ has fallen. MT was written for 2012 /a/-anons.
It was me.Every post in this thread was made by me.
>>282609785Midshoku tensei..
>>282646274are the samefags in the room with you right now?>>282646350aka the absolute worst anons
>>282646350I remember around '14 you fags were just as obnoxious and got bullied off the isekai general.No. Things never changed and definitely not (you)
>>282646750Not going to apologize for being in this hobby longer than you.Not going to apologize for watching more anime than you.Not going to apologize for having better taste than you.This board was better back then.
>>282646870it's precisely their "longer than you" attitude despite being solidly post-cancer that makes that cohort the worst anons
>>282646350What do you mean? /a/'s always whined about pedos in Tsukihime and Monogatari. Kidding. These guys aren't otaku. They're social justice warriors from Twitter.
>>282647090We say lolicons if the series were good and paedos if otherwise
>pedotenseifags playing the victim card of being called pedos when they know full well people are shitposting and shitting on their series not themHow pathetic just like pedodeus
>>282635817
>>282646930I wasn't meaning being on /a/ longer. I was watching anime for a half decade before I found /a/ in 2009-2010ish. I meant primarily that new watchers aren't adjusting to the existing culture, so when a 10/10 otaku show comes out like MT, they drop their spaghetti over things that are non controversial in the long term anime fandom (lolis, fan service, wish fulfillment, non-mainstream fetishes in general).
>>282647228>bottomshelf santa tolkien talking shitlol, lmao even
No matter what you fags say, Frieren will never stop being a boring trudge to me, just like 99% of other battle shonen.
>>282647313 Having polygamy (not shallow haremshit) and sex jokes does not make MT an "otaku show", please don't lump basement dwellers like yourself in with people enjoying this for the plot and go replay some moege instead.
>>282609817brutal.
>>282645195Catharsis isn't even real. When a tragic story makes you sad, you just stay sad. There is no positive side to it.
>>282643664That one cosplayer who said Frieren is cosplaying a character from an author who's series got demolished and canceled due to a single comment from MT's author kek
>>282609817respect
>>282609817stupid comment since lots of people like both.damn anons are dumb le upboating nonsense like this.
>>282609817Pedo Tensei bros... Our response?
>>282651287>>282651038
>>282609785I've never seen both but why are you comparing two different genres.
>>282646750>are the samefags in the room with you right nowi fully believe people are deranged enough to samefag when there are no IDs and hence they can get away with it easilyif you live here its not like you have anything better to do anyway.
>>282609785Both are shit.
>>282609785Both are kino.
>>282651038I agree, I also like both but why you comment about this post and not OP who started it?
>>282651799And the same can be said for people who call samefag every time the voice of the majority doesn't agree with them.At any rate why do you fags care so much about "le updoots"? This isn't twatter or plebdit. That shit doesn't matter at all. Stop acting like you were users of those websites
>>282652114Because he's the OP damage controlling that post.
>>282652114the first post is the dumb indefensible one. are you daft?>>282652181called out kek
>>282609785If you count S1 you might have a point, but afterwards you'd be straight up lying. Even in frieren characters are quite static, MT shits the bed so badly so often that it's not a comparison
>>282652114>>282652181>>282652239samefag
>>282652296I liked S2 more though
>>282609785Frieren is better just for not being harem slop. The mc also lives thousands of years instead of dying of old age decades sooner than real life people without magic do so they can set up their worthless baruto slop plot.
>>282653139Oh yeah the mc in frieren also just kills her enemies who deserve it instead of crying about how killing is le bad as a middle aged man only to turn around and kill kids for your stupid ass plan.
>>282653213Akchually Rudeus doesn't do that and doesn't say that to Ruijerd. He says the opposite I have no idea why the anime changed that.
>>282645150worse progression and conclusion of it, though
>>282653213>just kills her enemiesHuman shaped monsters aren't exactly something you'd lose sleep over killing, especially not the ones in Frieren. None of her "killing" is morally questionable.
>>282653139>The mc also lives thousands of years instead of dying of old ageLiterally doesn't matter considering the passage of time plot gets immediately dropped and barely any time passes from the start of the series until the latest chapter of the manga
>>282628728Speaking of which Konosuba is better than either of them in terms of the characters but it goes so far into comedy it's hard to take it seriously.
>>282609817i thought i have to comment something, but it looks i no longer need to.
>>282651287N-no u
>>282654569>Konosuba is better than either of them in terms of the characterNo the fuck it isn't. I tire of the Sloposuba niggers acting as if their dog shit series is anything more than low brow slop in an attempt to appease isekai haters. Your shitries barely counts as a story at all.
>>282654778you can stop samefagging now
>>282655001It's funny that Konosuba always gets a pass in isekai discussions just because it's comedy focused. Some people don't dare criticize it. It's like how OPM used to be treated around here before the anime happened and Murata went off the rails.
You people have virtually valid 0 argument going against the fact that Mushoku Tensei would be objectively better if it wasn't an isekai.Take the entire story, do not change anything just remove everything isekai related and it would objectively increase in quality in all aspects.>removes hitogami garbage spoiling every arc beforehand>removes rudeus meaningless past life>removes all the issues around him acting like a retarded child at 34+ yo>removes the grooming lolis which scares the touristsEven Bind knew the isekai part is so fucking dogshit they had to shill some GUILTY GEAR kino to make NEET rudy interesting.
>>282655027Why are MTfags so mentally ill bros?
>>282655001You sound mad bro
>>282609785Bullshit. Frieren is likeable enough to carry her own show. Rudeus is an insufferable cunt, a godĀ“s tool and a bore. Plus Frieren is high fantasy while Jobless is isekai. At best Jobless is on the level of Re: Zero or Shield hero with even other isekai above it. Konosuba is above it on account of being an actual joke show and Kuzuma knowing his place as human trash, Slime and moonlight fantasy do the whole over power thing better and even Tanya who is a literal war criminal nazi is more likeable than Rudeus. Seriously, Jobless may not be the worst one but it is pretty damn close.
>>282609817My thoughts exactly.Frieren = goldMT= poop
>>282655787S3, S4 and more is coming lil bro, don't worry once you watch the entire thing you'll understand.MT and isekai are inseparable. Brilliantly so.
>>282655787>Remove the main antagonist >Remove source of character's issues>Remove the reason why he is special in the world. If just replaced with a large mana amount would just be wish fulfillment >Caring what tourists thinkI'm really glad you aren't a writer. Also I can tell you haven't watched it, let alone read it.
>>282656140Doesn't make the isekai part of childhood and adolescence era less shit.Great story handicapped by its very own concept, what a shame.
>>282655787>only isekai where it being an isekai is actually relevant>"It shouldn't be an isekai!!!"retardbro...
>>282656182>Remove the reason why he is special in the world. If just replaced with a large mana amount would just be wish fulfillmentGenuinely in what universe the fact he is reincarnated makes it less of a wish fulfillment that if he wasn't?This is a real question, not even trolling because I'm baffled someone who has experienced this subgenre even at all would think this.
>>282609785Is /a/ more excited for Frieren S2 or MT S3?
>>282656182>Also I can tell you haven't watched it, let alone read it.This. It's always so obvious.
>>282656290Mushoku S2 shat the bed so bad only the most obsessed fans are hyped for S3 now
>>282656262Reincarnation comes with baggage Rudeus doesnāt start fresh as a pure fantasy self-insert, he starts as a failure.He carries regrets, traumas, and flaws.Readers are forced to watch him struggle against his old personality (laziness, lust, cowardice).That makes him messier and less āidealizedā than a protagonist born talented from the start.If you just want pure wish-fulfillment, you wouldnāt load your avatar with all this emotional weight.Because Rudeus remembers his past life, every mistake he makes feels heavier.When he screws up, itās not just a kid messing up itās an adult who should know better messing up. In fact, a lot of readers get turned off because instead of escapism, theyāre reminded of their own failures..So reincarnation injects a layer of realism and self-critique that undercuts pure wish fulfillment.If Rudeus had simply been born as a genius in that world with no reincarnation memories, thatās closer to the āperfect dream lifeā fantasy.
>>282656262It gives /a/ reason why he is more competent than your average 10 year old. Him being reincarnated also comes with downsides that are used later for character development and plot.What >>282656246 says is correct. For the vast majority of Isekai you could cut the isekai as it doesn't matter after the first LN. The isekai in MT matters through the final volume.
>>282656331>S3 trailer gets nearly 3 million views in a day which is more than Frieren's and Re:Zero's Which universe are you living in where this show isn't getting more popular every season?
>>282656331kek you're seething for some reason but in fact people are so looking forward it they've even started making fan animations.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11IrYSQfQdE
>>282647090The problem is that pedeus in his previous life was a real pedo, not the typical anime lolicon who likes sexualized younger girls
>>282656527I also remember there's another one that's supposed to come out made by a spic
>>282656527That isn't new we've had various animations for TP4 for a while. The ones I likehttps://youtu.be/MMhZNseGtAYhttps://youtu.be/YcBOun_1VWo>>282656544Which is why Rifujin realized he made Rudeus too scummy and changed the incident to be loli hentai in the LN/Manga/Anime versions.
>>282656544Araragi actually touches and kisses 8 year old little girls as a 18 year old dude, though
If the Man-God is such, then why doesn't this God just take the dudes wives or make them fall for someone else like his enemies or beast? why not cripple him It's pretty like he does nothing but waving his fist & saying "I'll get you next time inspector Gadgit"
>>282656598>>282656618The chink one is on another level though those are not animations. But yeah they got insane views too especially this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMhZNseGtAY&t and its from 4 years ago, 3.5 million views insane.
>>282656666their fates are too strongthe only time hitogami really had a chance to destroy it all was when that fate was at its weakest, and he still botched it because Oldeus warped in and gave a heads up.
frieren looks like it was made for twitter, so i avoided itI read the MT LN's until the author couldn't fucking help himself and introduced a japanese high school, its trash but enjoyable trash until it gets too japanese. wanting to fuck a sexually aggresive loli? i don't care. wanting to go back to the greatest time a human being can have, being a fucking high school student - kill yourself
>>282656618>Which is why Rifujin realized he made Rudeus too scummy and changed the incident to be loli hentaiActually, now it's apparently pictures of his niece in a swimsuit he stole from his brother's digital camera
>>282656666Hitogami is not omnipotent but he is close to omniscient he can see the future of the person he chooses. 100% up to the smallest details in most cases of course there are exceptions like he can't see Orsted who has a counter against that.According to Orsted the more apostles he controls the more his future sight becomes vague, he mostly uses that power to constantly observe his own future which is why his apostles are currently limited to only 3 but he can have much more if he stops watching himself and expands more power.Because of this ability he can also control fate to a certain extent like with controlled chaos theory, he can't control the chaos it's chaos but he can make specific pushes in critical junctures and change peoples pre determined fates to his advantage and effect major events that way via a butterfly effect.
>>282656290MT S3 but if it's bad it's going to fucking kill all interest I think.S2 already destroyed a lot of goodwill after an amazing first season.I'm confident for no particular reason, just a gut feeling that the quality will remain super-high for Frieren S2. I'm praying the same is true for MT.
>>282656810that fucking stupid if he can see the future then wouldn't he know that would happen & prevent it along with not messing up? what's the point of this God having all these God like abilities and still fail to messing with a dude? It's like the writer didn't want his wish-wanking to be ruined what's the point of having a God as an enemy when he can't really do shit because of muh fate2strong.
>>282656666The man god was sealed by the Original Dragon god, he can literally do nothing outside of manipulation, twerking, kvetching and seething.
>>282656666Because The Man-God is not the god of this world, he killed the original God and took his place, but because of that isn't all powerful as he hasn't fully assimilated the world (as Orsted is trying to thwart him). Orsted is the son of another world's god who's world the Man-God also destroyed trying to take.
>>282656440All of that is true and relevant to the subtext but not to the actual story going on in MT.Everything that happens in the actual story would happen regardless of Rudeus past, it only justifies him as a character but he could also have had these issues without reincarnation, it's not like the pervert child archetype didn't existed beforehand.In substance MT is about family and building relationships, it might feel more relatable as an isekai for the otaku neet audience self inserting as hikki Rudy but it could works fine without being one as well.>That makes him messier and less āidealizedā than a protagonist born talented from the start.Except he is born talented from the start, by virtue of being reincarnated. He has the mind of an adult in child's body, his otaku background indulge him to pick up mana training at age2, this doesn't change anything it just a justification.>Readers are forced to watch him struggle against his old personality (laziness, lust, cowardice).This is an exaggerated statement. He flows through his new life very easily, dude plaps prime hebe pussy at 13, has 2 wives and a kid by 16. The biggest turning point in his life his losing his dad (and hand) and that has nothing to do with his past life, just carelessness during a dangerous encounter.What bothers me the most and what many MT fans omit is only taking into consideration what isekai elevates in the story and not what it reduces.Mushoku Tensei takes itself extremely seriously and every moment it strays from its well defined story with the hitogami bullshit who's just a convenient plot device it makes the whole incredibly less compelling.>go there you'd get that>avoid this place>be careful about thisThis is lazy storytelling and it's purely the result of shoving isekai.Anyway the best part about MT for me are Ruijerd and the pokemon starter trio's pussies which are unrelated to Rudy so I couldn't take Rudeusfags opinion seriously, blame me all you want.
>>282656889if people actually have free will how can he see their futureotherwise it's all destiny in which case he wouldn't have to meddlehe should have seen that Rudy was going to save Roxy even after he tried to distract him with beastgirl pussy
>>282609785Frieren has sex appeal, Rudeus doesn't. Checkmate.
>>282656983Stop watching with your dick in your hand and you wouldn't see sex everywhere. >implying you watched or read it in the first place.
>>282656963Since Rudeus is from another world, Hitogamiās future sight isnāt perfectly reliable when it comes to him. In Vols. 1ā6, while Hitogami was experimenting and using Rudy to alter events (like orchestrating the exile of Zanoba and Pax WHILE saving Lilia and Aisha in the anime that eventually leads to Shironeās collapse and eventually Rudy and co losing badly precisely because he followed that advice early on), there were already moments where Rudyās actions didnāt line up with what Hitogami expected.whenever otherworlders are involved, Hitogamiās vision of the future becomes unstable or incomplete.Again tying to the isekai factor which you dislike so much.
>>282656995No, he didn't' account for Nanahoshi, and her showing Rudy a shortcut(teleportation circles of the dragon tribe)
>>282656995>he should have seen that Rudy was going to save Roxy even after he tried to distract him with beastgirl pussyHe did. Now that Rudy's dad died(which hitogami knew was gonna happen all along) he can now tell Rudeus "See I told you so." and Rudeus will go "Ok, from now on I'll listen without any complaints." Which causes him to indirectly enact Hitogami's masterplan. pic related
>>282656963He can change it, the problem is that certain things in the world are hard to change, it's like the "universe" self corrects so that strong fate happens anyway. The usual way he does it is by manipulating people with other strong fates themselves to change events for him. The reason he does so is because he is sealed and his omniscience and ability to talk to souls is the only way he has to interact with the world. I also remember he has some sort of "curse" opposite to Orsted where people naturally trust him
>>282657015>Stop watching with your dick in your hand and you wouldn't see sex everywhereYou can scroll back legit 2 posts ago and see OP arguing that sexuality is one of the most defining part of MT and Rudeus character but it seems like MTfags do not talk with each others.For sure I'm the one seeing sex everywhere and not the kid who heralded his master's panty as a religious idol for 10+ years and thought about banging his mom a couple of instances.
>>282657106>thought about banging his mom a couple of instancesnever happened.>You can scroll back legit 2 posts ago and see OP arguing that sexuality is one of the most defining part of MTNo need to I'm calling you a sex crazed retard, not him.
>>282657106>and thought about banging his mom a couple of instances.You should keep your mouth shut next time, it becomes less likely to be caught as having not read shit and just making shit up
>>282657106Hows life bumsplutty or should I call you ack?
>>282657019I like some Isekai animations like Overlord & Konosuba, I just couldn't get into MT I tried I really did. Why couldn't the dude just smote him & be done? I understand that people like the series I can't stand incompetent big bads, if he can manipulate people why not do that to some Empire, King, or someone to go after him? or the very least poison the minds of his friends
>>282657179>Why couldn't the dude just smote him & be done?see>>282656971
>>282656983>This is lazy storytellingYou have yet to see turning point 4. Actual time traveler bullshit saves Rudeus. Hitogami was playing him like a fiddle but because time travel Rudeus escapes the consequences of this.>Anyway the best part about MT for me are Ruijerd and the pokemon starter trio's pussies which are unrelated to Rudy My man. I would also throw Paul in there. Entire reason for Eris leaving is a layer of bullshit to prevent Rudeus from being with one girl.
>>282657179>incompetent big badsHitogami has defeated the entire MT pantheon, and also has defeated Orsted over 200 times. If Hitogami wasn't sealed none of the characters in the story would stand a chance.
>>282657179In the beginning he needed Rudy, first to get Rujerd to central continent have him meet Badigadi in the academy who tells him where the surviving superds are hiding that's one.Second is exiling pax and zanoba from shirone to cause its destruction. Laplace will be reborn there and he needs Laplace to live and grow vs Orsted otherwise Orsted will kill baby laplace immediately after discovering him. That's 2.Basically after using Rudy for quite some time he's planning to get rid of his and that attempt will happen in S3. After that goes wrong he throws all the pieces he has all the powerhouses at him. EVERYTHING
>>282657251>Eris leaving is a layer of bullshit to prevent Rudeus from being with one girl.So was him getting shipped off to teach a girl while forcing him to not message the girl back at home waiting for him.
>>282657251>>282657287So was the literal god stopping Rudeus from getting with his destined waifu Roxy
>>282657344>>282657287>>282657251There's nothing wrong with a little contrivance in a story.
>>282657251>spoilerThe consequences would happen across decades, the time travel doesn't bail Rudeus out, just gives him some semblance of a fighting chance since he won't just silently get buttfucked by some bullshit butterfly effect
>>282657369This is me >>282657344 I don't agree with it the other two at all. This "things happened that I don't like it's such bullshit and bad writing!!!" is retarded
>>282657179You don't need to get into MT. I have a perfect story for you.Sophisticated even,
Need to fuck Zenith so badly
>>282657128>>282657141I went and crossed reference all 3 sources to prove you are full of shit.In the anime the first lines he says after being born is about trying to touch Zenith's tits if he gets too close.In the manga he gets mad at Paul for interrupting him when Zenith snuggles Rudy between her breasts.In the novel, chapters 4 he expressly states he did multiple attempts at peeking at his parents fucking when he cought Roxy's flicking.Obviously the "banging his mom" part was hyperbolic but it reminds me once again to never argue with fanboys because they would never argue about things in good will and totally ignore the original argument.You have still some of Rifujin's jizz covering your cheeks faggots, wipe that shit.
>>282609785>controversial opinion>Mushoku Tensei is better than Frierenthis is literally common sense if you're an otaku and not an ironic weeb normalfag NPC that hates otaku culture
>>282657544>lie about something>go stumbling after anything to prove him correct>gets proven incorrect even with using all three sources as different instances>says the fans are fanboys that argue in bad faithyou're retarded
>>282657544>He was thinking about fucking his mom!!!>Actually he wasn't think about fucking his mom it was le hyperbole but I am right anyways!! >Continues to lie about having read anythingFucking moron, kill yourself.
>>282657065he can just as easily go>hitogami told me not to go>i went and my dad died which i do regret>but if i didn't go, my dad still would have died, AND roxy would have died, and i probably never would have knownand this would be after fucking Roxyif anything i would be like "no dude your ass is wack" after he almost made that happen
>>282657571>>282657575You fucking faggots, don't you get tired of all that sperm filling your stomach.>Actually he wasn't think about fucking his mom it was le hyperbole but I am right anyways!!Oh yeah he's peeking to see Paul's fat cock, for sure Rudy is as much of a homosexual as both of you.Remind me what the panty worshipping is for again you sodomites?
>>282657595Hitogami tells him that if he didn't go his dad would've survived and someone else would've went and saved Roxy and would've turned down her advances.
>>282657626Why are you so obsessed with the swallowing of another mans semen, fucking attention whoring literal faggot.
>>282657595Except that the next time they talk, hitogami talks about how if he didn't go, Paul's team would have taken more time/recruited more people to save Zenith and got her without Paul dying. Zenith is obviously the same in that scenario as she was frozen.
>>282657106you're a dumbass but i do think sexuality is very integral to MT and one of the reasons it's superior to the sterile Frieren. humans are sexual creatures. everyone alive today is alive because two people wanted to have baby making sex.all of your ancestors and all of my ancestors had sex to lead to this moment.not having sex is an amazing life fail.
>>282657626You're the one that keeps mentioning dick and drinking sperm, I think you should chill out with projecting your homosexual fantasies, retarded faggot king.
>>282657660Cope and seethe fanboy.
I next seasons of both these shows are not airing at same time, because threads will be unbearable
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>>282657638>>282657663and i would say he's full of shit because if I were Rudeus, i literally got there JUST AS ROXY WAS ABOUT TO DIE, it was literally down to the minute, a photo finish.and this is assuming whoever they got is able to sense Roxy's mana or whatever he does down there.
>>282657705>and i would say he's full of shit because if I were RudeusYeah, but you aren't Rudeus.
>>282657705That's probably the lie, but the butterfly effect shit is such bullshit that it can be believable
>>282657746i knowand i don't wish i was, i just want a sylphie or a roxy wife and a nice quiet life.
>>282657705Rudeus being able to find her in the way that he did was an ass pull. It could have easily been fixed in such an easy way too.
>>282657705Here's how hitocutie mogs him with simple bullshit(or maybe its actually true), say honestly would it have worked on you I mean his last request(will be in the 3rd pic)
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>>282657705First of all, he smelled her like a bloodhound.Second, Roxy has a strong fate and would have ended up pulling something off to get out of that scene.
>>282657829btw anime skipped the merchant in begarit entirely, another reason why it sucks.
>>282657852Also do take note. Hitogami thus far has only been helping right? He never did anything to harm him.
>>282657837in the shows she's completely drained and getting overrun with monsters. she was a goner before Rudeus showed up with his godlevel AOE magic.
>>282657852>anime skipped the merchant in begarit entirelyI would've loved to see the scene of Elianlise nearly putting some warrior bitch to the Sword, she was badass during the entire merchant arc.
>>282657814>>282657829>>282657852Ha Rifujin anticipated my objection. Great minds think alike.I still don't buy Hitogami's bullshit>It all seems way too convenientexactly. this is the number one tell that something is bullshit. when it's too good to be true, it usually isn't true.I'm guessing when he goes down to the basement he gets superAIDS or some shit and almost kills his family, based on the spoilers I've read.
>>282657852>>282658180also what kind of fucking favor is that>dude i'm a god but check your basement bro please do it for me broimmediately i would be like, what the FUCK is down there and why does he want me to interact with it??it's amazing Rudeus feel for his bullshit as long as he did. I guess a god is kind of hard to doubt thobeit.
>>282658180Actually he opens the door sees nothing, a diseased mouse sneaks out and nibbles the food a Pregnant Roxy nibbles on throughout the night, it's a disease that affects pregnant woman and a persons fate is at it's weakest when they're forming a new life, this disease begins to kill Roxy and only a god tier spell can cure it and the only place where that spell exist is in the Holy Country of millis. Cliff, Zanoba and Rudy set out to steal that spell book but are caught and try to make a run for it, Cliff gets hit and dies later from poising and the teleportation circles they used to get there fast were destroyed, by the time they return Roxy is already dead, Rudeus falls into his worse depression yet becomes am alcoholic and starts neglecting his family and even kinda abusing Sylphie(not physically thoughbeit), one night he gets drunk and fucks a prostitute instead of relying on Sylphie, Sylphie then smells said prostitute on Rudeus and cries for hours and leaves him in the middle of the night to go help Ariel take the throne since Hitogami is now manipulating Luke into getting Ariel to leave sooner than she should, Disabled Zenith and Lilia gets mad and Zenith slaps sense into Rudeus forcing him to go track Sylphie and bring her home, unfortunately he gets some bad info and when he finally catches up with her, Luke, Sylphie have been crucified and her body was badly mutilated as well, Rudy breaks after watching the citizens of Asura throw Rocks at Sylphies strung up corpse and burns down half of the Capital of Asura, killing man women and child alike. He becomes a mass murdering rapist at this point and Eris keeps bothering him from time to time and a few decades later after getting tortured by Rudeus, Eris jumps in front of an Attack on Rudeus saving him and losing her life in the process. Then that punished Rudeus at the age of 60+ goes back in time and dies after warning his younger less corrupted self of the man gods schemes.
>>282656440>he starts as a failureAieee I was reborn as a prodigious firstborn son of a noble top dogs from aristocratic families that will be doted and spoiled by his loving parents. I got countless cheats at my disposal such as giant ass mana pool, silent spell castingand expierience of a middle aged man while all other children can only say "goo goo ga ga" and shit and piss themselves. Ughhh I'm such an underdog for real. I wish I were reborn as a son of homeless commoner alcoholics.
>>282659008Zenith, Lilia, Norn abandon him and also takes his daughter with them.Aisha also abandoned him but ends up coming back to him later on, Aisha , Zanoba, Ginger and Julie are then brutally murdered by Millis assassins' and left chopped up in Rudy's basement later on.
>>282659082Him being a failure has nothing to do with his abilities in his new life, he's mentally still a failure until Paul dies and even then he doesn't truly become a man until pic related happens.
>>282659082He was the son of a disgraced noble that was only begrudgingly given a knighthood in a backwater village after he begged upon returning with a wife.He has a big mana pool as he exercised it early. He also shared this with Sylphy. and later Roxy spreads it furtherSilent spell casting is just something he stumbled in to and shares it with multiple people. It takes a while to switch as it's a lot of habit. He also can't silent heal which Sylphy can despite him trying to figure it out.He starts with a trauma due to his age and being a NEET for a decade+.
>>282659008>>282659133Hitogami is such a prick
>>282659232Hitocutie just a silly guy.
>>282659232He's the cause of billions of death, indirectly the cause 4 Gods deaths and directly the cause of 2 others. He's also the cause of 5 Worlds being totally annihilated one directly by his own hand with a single attack(Showing you the power difference between him and someone like Rudeus) One of those God's being Orsted's father and the other being Orsted's Grandfather.
>>282609817>>282609899>>282609968hello MAL
>>282659008Need that meme of hitogami throwing a rat to the viewer
>>282660462Hey anon, CATCH!
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