Can Garp and Sengoku still be redeemed?
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHATS THAT SCUMLESTIAL DRAGONS???? YOU WANT ME TO PROTECT YOU ALL FROM THE OTHER PIRATES???? SO YOU CAN HAVE FUN WITH YOUR GENOCIDE SLAVE GAME???? NANI???? YOU MEAN THIS GENOCIDE IS GONNA INCLUDE LOTS OF RAPE, TORTURE AND HUMILIATION???? AND IM GONNA HEAR THE CRIES OF INNOCENT BABIES SCREAM WHILE I PUNCH HOLES IN PIRATE SCUM????? WAKU WAKU, AND KEKJER WILL BE THERE TOO?????? MY HOMOSEXUA- I MEAN LOVELY RIVAL THAT CAN SATISFY MY FIGHTFAG EGO AND MY COCK????? WHATS THAT???? AND WHILE I FIGHTFAG WITH KEKJER, MY SON MORALFAGON IS GONNA BE THERE TOO???? WATCHING INNOCENT LIVES GET DESTROYED BY SCUMLESTIAL DRAGONS AS HE WILL FACE THE ULTIMATE SINS OF MANKIND ALONE WITHOUT MY HELP?????? AND THIS VICTORY WILL SOLIDIFY THE WORLD GOVERNMENT AS THE STRONGEST MOST CORRUPT AND EVIL EMPIRE EVER THAT I WILL ENDLESSLY WAGESLAVE FOR, FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE MAKING ME THE GOODEST GOY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED ON THIS PLANET????? WELL AS THE BIGGEST WORLD GOVERNMENT LOVING GOY THAT I AM, ALL I GOTTA SAY IS YABBBA DAAAAABBBBAAAA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TELL ME WHERE ROGER IS AT
>>282616860why are you morons so obsessed with redemption in this sense of like, characters having some kind of abstract value that you've invested in that will somehow pay off in an actual monetary reward
The anime’s taking a 2-week break, meaning no episode next week, and the week after will be a filler recap on CP0.
>>282616888>Oda introduces character that is meant to be good>they’re not good
>>282616888it's the capitalism
Maffey gave Dragon a fetish for goth chicks who smoke cigars.
>>282616860>Sengoku still be redeemed?Yеs
Reminder all women belong to Zoro. That includes Robin, Nami, Vivi, Tashigi, Pudding, Reiju, Monet, Viola, Persona, so forth.
>>282616860For years I've been wondering how Oda is gonna attempt to justify celestial dragons and marines not being systematically butchered and tortured by every single sentient being in the world by the time it ends. I cannot fathom this story ending without all of them being skinned alive as slowly as possible
>>282617149you'd benefit from taking a break from 4chan and social media for a few months
IF ODA REALLY LIKE US WE WOULD HAVE ONE CHAPTER PER DAY
>Mid Piece
When did we all become MORALFAGS? So what if Garp cares more about his rivalry than some slaves he doesn't even know? Did he ever announce that he was a good person? The Marines are his football team and he plays for them. Its more heroic and honest than cowards like Fujitora who passive aggressively lash out. Garp just doesn't care and you can't make him
>>282616919>Oda introduces character that is meant to be good???? When was it mentioned he was supposed to be good? He's the hero of the main enemy group and the reason Luffy and Dragon became outlaws. He's supposed to be cool, and he's supposed to be nuanced enough to still love his family and dislike the shady shit the marines do, but he's still a badguy. At best he's an anti-hero.
>>282616860No
>>282617197Ummmm maybe because some of them are strong and they're literally the descendants of the people who defeated the entire world. Charlos is eugenically superior to some Long Armed pickpocket from West Blue. Make sure you keep your brown rage to these threads anon. If i catch whiff of your resentment towards white people on the street i'm gonna have to squash you.
Kaido is getting one shot next week
>>282617197vivi will shout really loudly about how the cycle of violence is bad, and since this i nu-piece everyone will listen to her
>>282616860MFW garling started wearing sandals so I can no longer lick his scrumptious, delicious boots clean
>>282616860'fraid not
>>282616860Of course.He could had just left the marine after MF arc and with that leave Koby&Helmeppo training. Neither help SWORD when the first was captured.But his haters will not change their mind. Is a waste of time talk with them about that.
Vivi would make great press secretary for Cross Guild.
>>282617316>IF ODA REALLY LIKE US WE WOULD HAVE ONE CHAPTER PER DAYbut imagine the art style...
>>282617510but garp, you can now lick eachof his toes separately
>>282617582Morgans is a Underworld Emperor who gives money to CrossGuild for their services.Vivi and Wapol in CrossGuild could be possible.
>>282617562
>>282617624to be fair Morgans and the mouse guy were corrupt
niggas are unironically coping about garp not being a fencesitting coward when he literally was about to let Ace get executed in front of him
>>282617562>>282617624
>>282617624Kek, the lack of self awareness is killing me
>>282617655That's some other nigga's kid
>>282617624Has the story revealed what Fujitora was doing before being promoted straight to admiral yet?
>>282617723war crimes
>>282617656You know what Dragon was still lucky since at least there was no Sengoku in God Valley to force him to harm the civies
Haki conquers all chads can’t stop Gear 5 though I’m just saying
>>282617624To be honest at least Fujitora is doing something to make a change in the Marines.
>>282617624It always amazes how little self-awareness Sengoku hasAt least Kong was a pushover who never pretended he had any moral high ground
>>282617723Yeah. The SBS 110 revealed Fujitora and Fraudbull past..Fujitora was one military chief in one Kingdom. That was destroyed in a war and he became in a War Criminal.He blinded himself after that.Later he incurred severe losses in a gambling house and became in a bodyguard in that place.. Finally the WG learned about him and bought that place and made him join the marine.
Akainu just seems like a reluctantly loyal dog of WG post-timeskip
I despise Koby
>>282617812Lame that their pasts were relegated to SBS material. Oda couldn't spare half a chapter to tell their stories, esp Fujitora who was a major supporting character in the second longest arc?
I want Crocodile and Mihawk to be surprised by Buggy againThese two cowards are getting uppity lately
>>282617865I would had dedicated some time to Fujitora too. Even more knowing that he can betray the WG again later.I think that Fuji could leave the marine before the final war.. He appears in Vivi future.
I, too, despise Koby.
All CDs should pathetically beg for their worthless lives like Saturn when Imu revoke their rights
>>282616860I really wonder what Oda is cooking with Sengoku since Garp at least has the >I was a vice admiral and thus not really working directly for the Celestial Dragonsexcuse.Sengoku worked hand in hand with the government when they did some of their worst actions.
>>282617931SimpleOda isn’t cooking shitSengoku is a dumbass
>>282617954Sengoku is one of the good Marines tm along with Garo. You’ll clap when Oda reveals he created SWORD which i guess would retroactively justify everything he did.
>>282616888They were just raised christians with cartoons where the bad guys never fail to be punished at the end so when they don't get punished somehow it creates tension within their minds.
>>282617931>Garp at least has the >I was a vice admiral and thus not really working directly for the Celestial Dragons >excuseThat doesn't excuse shit though
>>282617851>>282617897Same here.I can´t believe that I supported this guy in the past.
>>282617897Shanks, Garling, Doflamingo- all noble and esteemed men. Worthless is a stretch. They have a lot of undeniable talent. If Garp trained Charlos i'm sure he could be Shichibukai level in a few years.
>>282617996If you think about it logically sure. For Oda, it’s good enough.
>>282617931He's a hypocrite, simple as. Even ruthless military leaders irl have significant others whom they'd be shed a tear for and Sengoku isn't even portrayed as THAT ruthless compared to someone like Akainu. I hope Oda realizes this and doesn't attempt to whitewash him as being "one of the good ones" all along.
I like Garp but don’t like Koby
I love Koby and I believe in him. He's the only marine who actually freed slaves he encountered and you should praise him more.
Why do we have theee threads?
>>282618047*three
>>282618047*these
>>282618040To think that we lost Garp for Koby faultand not for the one that we could see as the Black Sheep(helmeppo)
Less thinking about the slaves and more making good posts. Maybe slave yourselves a moment and work hard on your next one. You don't get a big beautiful thread without putting in some effort Garp taught me.
>>282618040I miss Smoker. It feels like Oda wasted story time giving him all those scenes in the pre timeskip since he was going to end up making him irrelevant anyways.
>>282618040Same, I hate that Oda kicked out Smoker to shill this status-quo loving little shit instead.
>>282618039Sengoku is a bootlicker but he’s meant to have a personal code since he quit after Marineford when pressed to keep quiet about Impel Down. But he really is the worst written character so far.
>>282618158What’s funny is that Smoker was clearly built up to be an Admiral replacement (logia powers) but got shafted for no reason.
>They will become the future AdmiralsYou rike?
>>282618199>zoan admiralNot happening, there are no relevant zoan marines.
>>282618039If he made Vegapunk into a saint after he literally helped WG nuke a country, Oda clearly gives no fucks about what he writes.
Bonney=love
>>282618235slopcuck
Have we seen a zoan or logia giant to date?
>>282618158
>>282618199What do their names mean?
>>282618264I miss this AceOda turned him into a bishonen too fast
>>282618199Replace Koby with Momonga
>>282618267black something, grey? mouse, white sheep
>>282618245Loki is probably a ZoanThe only other known giants with DFs are Sanjuan Wolf and Morley, both Paramecies
>>282618282I miss when pirates were actually pirates and mostly rough and tough bastards with some having hearts of gold Before Oda turned them into an underclass that exists because of the Celestial Dragons, every pre-existing conflict with low level pirates or shichibukai feels pointless knowing there’s an immortal god-devil sitting at the top of the world watching all the humans below fight for scraps
>>282617197I think the argument is supposed to be that pirates are worse, but we haven't really been shown that in the story for a long time.Early on you had Buggy, Arlong, Blackbeard raiding Drum Kingdom, and Crocodile nearly taking voer a country to show you that pirates do bad things. Lately its' really just been Kaido and his group (including Doffy.) Even Big Mom looks like the greater good compared to the CDs.
>>282618348I hope not. I’m tired of Zoan Piece.
>>282618282>Oda turned him into a bishonen too fastWell, that's good. Marineford-era Ace is super sexy.
Sеx with Law.
>>282618284
>>282616888Anon Ive been holding onto garp stock for years oda cant rugpull me like this
>>282618623have a picnic with a childhood friend
sex
>>282616860>Can Garp and Sengoku still be redeemed?yes but not in the way that most of the antifa libshits who read this manga wantgarp and sengoku will be redeemed by being the ones who did their best to maintain the honor of the marines, keeping the tides of rapist pirates at bay, while doing the best they can to operate within the framework they had while raising the next generationtheir dream of justice will be fulfilled even if they won't be the ones to carry it out, a recurring one piece theme
>>282617681Doesnt matter, one piece goes by mud's thicker than blood rule
>>282617836Vegapunks announcement changed everything, even doberman a guy whos named after the most loyal guard dog dared question a Five Elder about it. I will push the marines coup de état agenda, it makes perfect sense in my head
I was wondering why this thread is slower than usual, turns out we have threads up.What’s wrong with you, guys?
>>282617927They deserve it, not because of their crimes agaisnt humanity but for how utterly incompetent they all are, after I witnessed Saturn committing blunder after blunder I dont buy that these guys have been ruling earth for 800 years
>>282618881You could tell the other one was just seeding the thread himself with coomer posts to begin with
>>282618721i mean, you can be good or bad,But you cannot be this tone deaf
>>282618224>he made Vegapunk into a saintRead. Vegapunk himself says that he only cares about doing science not good or evil when talking to Dragon
They are just doing their job. Why it's so hard for moralfags to understand? they are like these old government dogs irlAlso they believe in the Marine justice of course. Do you want characters with morals? then you can have Fisher Tiger and Otohime.
>>282618282Ace is a noncharacter he has done nothing if you are an ace fan you are:a) A kid who likes fire powers and selfinserted as himb) A homosexualc) A fujoThere are no other options, itd make more sense to be a gaimon fan than an ace fan
>>282617149Ok, but who's the top bitch in his harem then?
>>282619000i know they are just doing their job, but please, at least dont be such a tone deaf>>282618923>>282617624
At this point, I have no idea if Oda still wants us to feel sympathetic for Garp or not. It kinda seems like he's leaning in to him just being a bloodthirsty meathead.
YOU ARE MY SLAVES
>>282619031goverment dogs will be always dogs, you can see it yourself irl, the best they can do it's either>changing the Marines from the inside little by a little>quit it>quit it and helping people with real problems like orphans, poor people, victims of was once were their ''justice'' and so on>oppose the WG>commit seppukuthey are plenty of things they can do, but things aren't that simple, once a dog always a dog
>>282617021You realize he only treated him like that because he was a former celestial right?
or maybe, he was mean to be General Lee kinda guy
>>282618923>you can be good or badthat binary thinking is unironically the problem
>>282618923Garp is a special breed of retard
uhh where's his smile
How many more chapters will Rocks last before dying? Possibly last chance to predict his fate on GV this week.
>>282617931probably a mix of we can't defeat imu and the 5 elders, and even if we defeated them things would only get worse
80 of the posts ITT were made by one poster
I like Garp, Koby, and Smoker.
>>282618040koby and helmeppo make usopp worse.anyone can become super strong with enough determination. Even a crybaby like koby and a spoiled asshole like helmeppo.usopp has no excuse to still be so weak when he has the ambition to become the greatest sharpshooter and to make luffy pirate king.even if he's a coward who doesn't like fighting he should still be at least as strong as helmeppo
All me btw
>>282619255I think Oda trying to make Rock was because he intend to reveal Davy as Joyboy, so that he make BB as inheritance of Joyboy blood but without his will, while Luffy as inheritance of Joyboy will even without his blood
Not a rape baby. Ginny and the celestial were in love
>>282618361pirates aren't really pirates in one piece. and it makes sense.the world is broken into islands and anyone can become super strong if they train and fight enough strong people.so basically there's a lot of adventurers traveling the seas to become stronger. But if you become strong enough either the marines recruit you or you get branded a criminal.see for instance mihawk. He's just a martial artist trying to become stronger. And yet he's a pirate.so basically there are 2 types of pirates in one piece. Actual pirates, and adventurers who are branded criminals even though they're just traveling and exploring.
>>282619355Oda won't touch it with a 30 foot pole, but it's interesting that Ginny was explictly a wife, not a slave. I wonder what that implies
>>282618361>>282619384none of you have studied pirates. none of you are free from sin
So how come Garp is called a hero?
>every chapter we think Garp will get added character depth to explain his motivations>every chapter it just gets worse and worseTop tiers of the era are terrified of him, he quite literally is a load-bearing pillar of the entire celestial dragon hegemony. I'm really struggling to see how Oda can give Garp a believable reason for how he's acted for decades.I'm fairly certain his "Hero of the Marines" title is a fabrication by the WG but man, aside from him murdering CDs on the island, what can salvage this dude.
>>282619448That's what I'm saying, there's nothing else to Garp but fightfaggotry. All this shit in the fandom about him trying to change the system from the inside is a total fabrication, he truly doesn't care about anything but blood on his fists.
>>282619408>none of you are free from sinluffy will redeem them
>>282617405Oda has gone out of his way to portray Garp in a positive light. The main example is the "he doesn't want to take directions from CDs so he stayed Vice Admiral". Not to mention raising Koby to be an incorruptible beacon of the new era for the marines.
>>282619408I mean, just thinknof the case as how Bong treated John Paul Jones as Pirate
>>282617405>When was it mentioned he was supposed to be good? He's the hero of the main enemy group and the reason Luffy and Dragon became outlaws. He's supposed to be cool, and he's supposed to be nuanced enough to still love his family and dislike the shady shit the marines do, but he's still a badguy. At best he's an anti-hero.you dont understand nuance at all if this is your opinion
>>282619408I just find pirates boring
what if luffy's name is a mistake and he's not actually a D?they're actually called Monkeyd garp, Monkeyd dragon and monkeyd Luffy. But someone accidentally added an extra space
Easy with the books Pachy!!
What killed One Piece for you?
>>282619695gumu gomu no retcon
>>282619448If Oda is smart, he'll just lean into this side of Garp. There are boomers unironically like Garp, who will defend a system wholeheartedly no matter how wrong or evil it is. If Oda tries to force some level of sympathy for Garp on the reader that's when I would say he failed as an author.
>>282619695nothing, and your disingenuous attempts to trick people into hating it won't work on me
>>282619750One Piece is kinda ass nowadays dude
>>282616887not bad deserved at least a couple (You)s, have one
>>282619448>I'm really struggling to see how Oda can give Garp a believable reason for how he's acted for decades.Koby is Garp's redemption It's the recurring one piece theme of inherited willGarp couldn't reform the marines in his generation so he passes on his sense of justice to the next generation
One Piece really is a monarcho-communist christian manga, huh.
>Destroys a beloved character.
>>282619850>Ruined Whitebeard>Ruined Roger>Ruined Big Mom>Ruined Kaido (which is surprising since he's already a shit character)>Ruined God Valley in generalPlease, just stop this fucking flashback. You fumbled it. This is worse than the Oden flashback, straight up.
>>282619392I think it may just imply how beautiful Ginny was and how much the CD was attracted to her, like Garling with Shakky, he wanted to make her a wife for her beauty. Slaves are probably those who aren't seen as respectable for whatever reason.
>>282619850Faster than the Flash himself btw
>>282619888Dragon's part is good though
>>282619907Fuck Dragon, nobody's cared about Dragon in literal decades.
>>282619888>Ruined Big Momwrong>Ruined God Valley in generalthere was nothing TO ruin except your headcanon
>>282619850>the audience is upset about Garp not caring about the God Valley genocide?>oh, I know how to fix this! I’ll make the Rocks pirates act out of character, then give Garp some aura! that’ll surely fix it!
>>282617149>>282619025...in your fanfiction zoroach.
>>282619848>anti-jew mangaB-BASED
>>282619921There was no headcanon. I was expecting God Valley to be what it was SUPPOSED to be: a battle royale, starring the Gods-among-men in the world of One Piece.Instead I got unironic cuckoldry, and a bastardization of all the characters I loved.
>>282619917go fuck yourself, I always have since I saw that Loguetown episode
>>282619917WrongGarp is still seething about Dragon's choice to become a revolutionary even now
>>282619695Imu before Egghead
>>282619392>>282619895i think "wives" are a euphemism, anons...
>>282619695Villains becoming a jokeOda tripling down on chosen piece with the nika retcon
>>282619917>literal decadesThere are people died before even seeing Shanks or Garp do a named attack kek.
Oda cock slurpers are seething because this flashback has been garbage lol
>>282619958blud, your reading comp and media literacy is in the fucking dumps. Next you’ll be upset that Luffy isn’t a power-hungry terrorist who assassinates other pirates and government personnel for fun.
>>282619958>I was expectingthat is literally what headcanon is, anon. you decided what it should have been in your head by using the absolute less-than-barebones information we were given for your decision on it.
>>282619958You were being fed propaganda and lies throughout the story about GV and actually believed it
>>282619901>From worlds strongest man to worlds fastest runner.
>>282619982Well yeah they're sex slaves in all but name. But the anon was wondering why she was made to be called a wife instead of just slave. Maybe the CDs also look down upon having kids with slaves.
>>282619998This flashback is dope, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>282620045and my point is its a euphemism they arent really "wives"they are all slaves
>>282620045Concubine is the correct term but Oda is a coward
>>282620060Not even you believe that, cock slurper.
>>282619998It really is garbage. Instead of the old generation duking it out what we got is a “O MUH SHAKKYYYY”
>The iconic scene now ruinedI just cant stop imagining that Whitebeard just wants to run away during this moment and his commanders blocked his escape path.
Prediction: Rocks goes insane when he sees his wife dead. He then has to be stopped by the joint efforts of roger and garp. Garp is ashamed that he had to spend so much time on Rocks and failed to save some more CD lives.
>>282620045>>282620063A distinction without a difference
I see the Hunterfags have arrived
>>282620013im not that anon but its not headcanon to be surprised at a sudden change in characterization, especially when it departs with the clues and hints we've had up to this pointbut i get that calling it headcanon is a great way to troll anons
>>282620156yes thats my point congratulations
>>282620159>expecting a massive war-like battle that shatters the world like marinefordthat is the headcanon part here
>>282620196i mean thats kinda how sengoku set it up so... not really headcanon...
>>282620180
>>282620213>dumbass really believed the lies of a good government bootlicker like SengokuLMAO
>>282619917let me guess, not enough named attacks from him in this flashback yet
>>282620184Dick
>>282620250>marines are... le bad!
>>282620196>God Valley quite literally stopped existing after this “incident”.Wow it is as if there a foreshadowing that a big event or battle happened in God Valley.
>>282620269YesHe lied thenHe lies now
The reason why GV is lackluster is because this is flashback INSIDE ANOTHER ARCDid everyone forgot we still in Elbaf?That's why Oda trying to speedruning GV
>>282620307>marines are... le bad!>no nuance... just bad!
>>282617197If Oda had balls, all the Marine higher ups (except for Fujitora) will be executed by the Revolutionary Army at the end.
>>282620335CorrectThere's nothing that can be called "gray" about Sengoku's order to genocide Ohara
>the guy who's entire character is jumping around punching people is not a moral paragonAre there people who were actually surprised by this? Garp isn't even presented as a soldier, not motivated by honor or status just fighting. Even his fighting style is overwhelming brute force, no haki or ability or skill.
>>282620318God Valley flashback is gonna last for 3 more months. We havent even gotten back to how Harald was betrayed and what the treasure is.
>>282620354it's a common trait of autism to not be able to understand nuance, i understand
>>282620285"it stopped existing" and "incident" is where you stop thinking about it until it's shown. anything past that is a headcanon for how it happened and can and will be proven wrong>must have been made uninhabitable like punk hazard!>must have been literally wiped off the map and turned into oceanand so on. then you try to make up shit about what the "incident" could have been>a war>political mishap >dumb shit like it got renamed after what the fuck ever and stopped existing as GV, a la anakin vs darth vaderthese are all headcanons to explain what I want the incident and outcome to be, based on no information to guide it.
Oda intends some of these guys to be "good marines" but he's just a terrible writer so he fails to make that point convincingly.
>>282620374Tell me what good thing did the marine accomplish by killing innocent Ohara scholars thenThe nuance you're so proud of only exists if there is something more in Sengoku's judgement in that incidentBut Sengoku was just an obedient dog who forced those below him to do the same evil thing
>Gets away with everythingNothing personal kid.
>>282620387Wow it as if you dont have any imagination and interest to what could have happened. Just consoooom and consooooom. A braindead npc is what you are.
>>282620374>it's a common trait of autism to not be able to understand nuance, i understandNow, now. Lets have you explain where the nuance is in genociding an island of peaceful scholars on the orders of a government of slavers and rapists so that their secret origin of worldwide genocide doesn't come out.Please were waiting.
>>282620374would also love to hear the nuance about Sengoku's order to genocide an island of archaeologists
>>282620408Those evil Oharans had it coming, blasphemy was a sin and they did it anyway.
What have I missed since Wano ended?
>>282620438Nothing, we’re still in Wano.
>>282620456NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOO! NO MORE ODEN, NO MORE ODEN!
>>282620472but Oden is the central character in One Piece. Everything revolves around him
>>282620408>>282620427>>282620435i could write a long thesis but after debating with many anons in these threads any good faith argument is going to be met with ignorance and willful misunderstanding so you will both have to excuse me for not being baited into a good faith responseby the language used in these threads i can already tell the deep seated political and ideological bias which will make misinterpretation of the argument even more likelyso in short...sengoku, garp, and many other of the good or on the fence marines have taken the stance that the marines are the best option they have, albeit imperfect, in maintaining "justice". as they rise in seniority, they become more aware of the evil that sits atop of the organization, but they're in "too deep"now some people, like aokiji, make a break from it, but for the old heads they probably think they've been in it too long, so they rely on the next generationbut even for guys like kizaru, at egghead, you can tell they are still internally conflicted and they know deep down the system is fucked but they consider it a better alternative to the lawlessness of piracy, so they stick with it was ohara fucked?did it show how the marines characters were conflicted about justice? yesbut its the price those characters have chosen to pay for the "greater good" of having the marines
I swear to god if Imu is some goofy ass motherfucker instead of a Vivi-look alike, I’m gonna burn Oda.
>>282620549
>Had to fight enemies while CD and their slaves were present>Wasn't focused on the enemy, and did some intentional sabotaging to free a couple slavesGarp actually has no excuse,
>>282620535Stfu fag, no one is reading your chatgpt blogpost. Good faith my ass.
>>282620566ToT
>>282620575called it
>>282620566A loli Imu is fine too I guess.
>>282620535>but its the price those characters have chosen to pay for the "greater good" of having the marinesWhat greater good?Being CD's dogs who will shoot innocent civilians every 3 years for a genocide game?THAT kind of greater good?
>even zoomies on r*ddit rag on toei piece spamming aurasWhen will they stop being allowed to mangle the manga?
>>282620617the greater good of having some force on the seas stopping piracy
>>282620549I want her to look like Yzma
>>282620567Those slaves deserved it for being weak. They could have been training their asses off day and day out but noooope they chose to be normies with no sense of self preservation.
>>282619695I love one piece I dont think theres a single bad thing about it, Im just sad a lot of interesting content gets reduced to sbs. One piece is too short
>>282620617As opposed to being oppressed under Kaido, or Blackbeard, or Big Mom.
>>282620631You mean the greater good of having an enforcing army who will enslave anyone CDs tell them to
>>282620566Maybe instead of piggyback riding imu is some Op-op fruit amalgamation which is why Doffy really wanted the fruit - to steal the useful part of Mu
>>282620620>When will they stop being allowed to mangle the manga?Likely never if Normalfags eat it up
>>282620652The only bad one here is Koido, and that was because he was enforcer for Orochi
I don't know if this is a hot take, but the Celestial Dragons unironically had a chilling effect on the story, and now they just completely ruin the entire narrative. All nuance over pirates vs marines is just fucking gone.Get rid of the Holy Knights, get rid of the Celestial Dragons, and keep the Gorosei and Imu as the top of the world.
>>282619695To me Haki killed it. It just became my HAKI IS STRONGER THAN YOUR HAKI!
>>282620675>The only bad one here is Koido
>>282620686>All nuance over pirates vs marines is just fuckingNot really. People were pretending (and even still do) to be morally superior while owning slaves irl,
>>282620657thats a very un-nuanced take from the perspective of the reader who has a perfect knowledge of the history of the one piece worldfor the bulk of affiliated WG kingdoms, they are under the "protection" of the marines. Would pirates start raping and pillaging if they thought garp was gonna drop in and shove his foot up their ass? nomarines are, if not a force for "good", a force of "control" which leads to "stability" which leads to "peace"the question is, and the question senior marines ask, is whether the bulk of the overall "peace" is worth the price they have to pay for unsavory activities at the top
>>282620671hey just popping in, when is Sanji's next big fight scene like this?
>>282620408All the marines know is that oharan terrorists were planning a coup against the government, that's all 90% of the world knows about ohara.
>>282620765So you agreed marines are a bunch of obedient dogs who killed innocent people just because CD masters told them to
>>282620456>Nothing, we’re still in Wano.>>282620617Cipher pol really needs to release some crime statistics so we know how much good the Marines are doing
>>282620732NTA, but you and I both know that nuance doesn't exist anymore. Oda is legitimately just stupid, and you are expecting way too much out of him.To Oda, the Marines and the pirates are just video game factions, with characters scoring points with hype moments and aura. Are they a part of a greater system at large? Fuck if Oda knows, but look! Garp is doing le cool spooky face! Isn't that hype?
The more the government opresses people, the stronger Garp gets
>>282620763>when is Sanji's next big fight scene like this?If the people at Toei aren't faggots they could make this look even better
I can't wait for hxh to come back so that you can all go back to the hxh thread
>>282620567I find it funny how Fuji is practically a revolutionary in disguise. The marines and WG let him get away with too much shit. To think he even had a crminal background, effectively making him a Marine-Warlord. His interests align more with his enemies.
>genesis of Dragon's revolutionary ideology>Rocks backstoryI like this flashback.
>>282620826its called suspension of disbelief, anonyeah, oda probably leaned too hard into the degenerate behavior of the celestial dragonsin a meta sense, it creates enough disgust in the audience that we feel that the system is no longer worth preserving, which will match with its eventual destruction (and likely reform via the new generation) in the storytoo many anons in these threads are getting triggered by mapping it to real world politics and therefore taking hardline reactionary stances against fictional characters for not behaving like they "should" if this scenario were "real"the big picture view is >the world government is supposed to be a "round table" of kingdoms but really controlled by a singular shadowy force>the marines are supposed to be the force for "justice" but really enforce the WG's authority through a monopoly on violence>pirates exist outside of the rigid boundaries of the world government which on the surface means criminal behavior but also means freedom from authoritarian control>revolutionaries want to abolish the oppressive WGand within each faction there is a spectrum of moral and political alignment of the characters
>>282620686Eh, I like the CDs being a decadent upper class, Oda just took it a bit too far recently, but even that is more a problem of execution rather than concept. One Piece has undeniably changed in tone in recent years though largely due to the shift in focus to CD depravity and Nika liberator worship.
>>282620921Did you forget this was supposed to be about how harald died?
>>282620957>haraldWho?
>>282620957>its supposed to be about harald therefore its badfuck off
>>282620826>Oda is legitimately just stupidThis i dont understand why people put him in a pedestal
>>282620972Some filler character's father
According to Japanese people the rabbit hunts are apparently based on this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
>>282620401I don't think Oda is a terrible writer but I think he's genuinely starting to lose track of his story. There are so many moving parts that shit's getting wonky. Garp is just the most blatant example
>>282620180>>282620245Post the Luffy edit annoyed with us not liking Ulti
>>282620957obviously GV is gonna have reverberations that impact Harald directly
>>282620335>“just burn those civilians alive without question, soldier!”>nuance
Where is my husbando?
>>282621070>let me hyper focus on an overly literal interpretation of something and not look at the larger pictureyup autism
>>282621090You’ll die alone and childless.
>>282620957Harold is a background character at most.
>>282620925>too many anons in these threads are getting triggered by mapping it to real world politics and therefore taking hardline reactionary stances against fictional characters for not behaving like they "should" if this scenario were "real"I get what you're saying, but I disagree with this part here. I don't think anons are upset that it's not "mapping on to real world politics", they're upset because it flies in the face of everything we were taught about this story.Fucking hell, we literally just saw Whitebeard TURN AROUND and RUN AWAY. Something is up with Oda, he's never really been this inconsistent.
you [people] are so boring and uncreative
>>282621105I am not alone, I have Law.
>>282621129>they're upset because it flies in the face of everything we were taught about this story.this is part of what i mean by the "meta" narrativewe are told that marines are the "good guys"and as the story goes on we see more and more evidence to the contrary to the point where we are now where we are saying "it's better to have nothing than have this" which sets up Dragon's and other revolutionaries motivations>Fucking hell, we literally just saw Whitebeard TURN AROUND and RUN AWAY.thats just bad writing and where suspension of disbelief comes in at some point newgate became "whitebeard"was that before he joined rocks, after, etc, who knows yeah its funny to point out the "no scars on the back" thing but i dont take it that seriouslyto me the whole point of the flashback is this is before everyone became the legends they eventually became
>>282621129Whitebeard is not running away because he's a coward though, he's running away because it's a pointless fight. He's there to save Shakky, and he's competing against the Rocks and Roger pirates to be the first to do so. Garp was there for fightfaggotry, WB had no time for that.
What triggered the huntertranny this time?
>>282621261he was waiting for you to show up
>>282620826You live in a parallel universe if you think people naturally JUST quit the army if it does evil thing. I forgot this place is now invaded by 16 year old piratefolk niggers so my bad
>>282621300but anon, dont you realize participating in a fascist system makes you a fascist?
Behead Oda.
>>282620686>nuance>the first arc in the manga is about a marine who orders his soldiers to kill themselves and terrorizes a whole town with hyper authoritarian rule who builds himself statues with tax money>Ennies Lobby is about the Navy comitting genocide in the name of "justice" and Onigumo shooting a soldier to death for questioning the mission>but muh CDs thoughJust say you dont read the manga bub or you're illiterate, no shame in being retarded
>>282620730>Not really. People were pretending (and even still do) to be morally superior while owning slaves irl1. It's one thing to go Calhoun and ramble about inferior races needing master over them due to being incapable, and different to just scream "insect, insect, insect"2. Even slavery aside, what people found to be the breaking point was the Genocide Olympics.
>>282621261Togashi posting again how he cant wipe his ass anymore because "O MY BACK"
goodnight /opg/
>>282620535>>282620631I will never understand posts like this, the marines do nothing to stop pirates are you reading with your eyes closed? Every government affiliated island we see on the series has a pirate problem regardless of being in the wg(except wg owned islands like enies lobby)fishman island had to relie on whitebeard and then big mom regardless of being member state for 200 years, Alabasta had to relie pn crocodile and their national military regardless of being a founder member, lulucia had pirate problems and they still had to pay tribute regardless of famineThe marines exist to collect celestial tribute and thats it, you can only count on them for that because even if you pay there is a very high chance you still wont be protected from pirates>>282620652It makes much more sense to live under big mom, blackbeard and I dont even need to mention whitebeard as their service actually guarantees protection from pirates. Kaido is the only regime as bad as the wg but the wg is still worse because they affect way more people than the population of wano and also make false promisses and mock you by wearing coats that say "JUSTICE" Kaido at least wont lie about his intentions
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1026337?timestamp=1759072069481
>>282621337Humans are all for perpetuating a oppresive system as long as it benefits them, the idea that everyone must hate CDs is some low IQ shit when even african tribes were historically willing to enslave their fellow africans as long as they were put in charge of said oppression. Aramaki explains it to you perfectly. By having a race/group of people to look down to people find solace and unity. This fanbase is too low IQ for a manga written for nip teenagers but maybe due to the mud blooding of western nations the adults are now more retarded there than the average nip teenager so who knows
>>282620732Why did the people handover T bone's head to buggy? Remember he was as righteous as marines get
>>282621544I hope we see more of Ryokugyu's abilities, plant logia is neat.
>>282620826>nuance doesnt exist because I am too much of a low retarded subhuman third worlder to understand a simple straightforward story for japanese shonensJeez, you didnt have to out yourself like that
>>282621612His DF is neat, but I'm not crazy about Greenbull as a person. The other VAs have cool and aloof personalities, but he's a bit more of a hothead.
>>282621129>Fucking hell, we literally just saw Whitebeard TURN AROUND and RUN AWAY. Something is up with Oda, he's never really been this inconsistent.It's not exactly inconsistent. The idea that he's never taken a wound to the back in a fight still is true. That doesn't mean he's never chosen to avoid a fight, just that he's never run away once a fight is inevitable. Discretion is the better part of valor after all.
SOMEONE STOP HIM! HE'S FAST!
>>282620826This is a story being written for children you retard it must have aura moments and powerscaling.And none of it is unrealistic or with no nuance what do you think european imperialism was? Just 5 minutes of googling and u can find tens of godvalleys perpatuated by the dutch, british, french etc
>NuanceDid someone learn a new word?
>>282621540>refuses to loadNice website, Viz.
>>282621544Aramaki is right. Hierarchies breed stability, jungles with no hierarchies is what countries like the UK and most western european nstions have turned to.
>>282621508>I will never understand posts like this, the marines do nothing to stop pirates are you reading with your eyes closed?it's implied, anonthe story follows the main characters so of course we dont see it but we hear about koby's feats, shit even law turns in 100 pirate hearts to become a shichibukai (because the point of shichibukai is to deter piracy), even rocks says most marines are good guys, oda probably put that in for the overly literal audience>The marines exist to collect celestial tribute and thats iti think its more accurate to say that the marines are the world government's "monopoly on violence" through which they maintain their literal authority over the world. yes they collect tribute, but they also enact retribution on those who break the laws of the system, be they pirates, unaffiliated nations, or rebellious member states, or anything really that would erode the domination of the WGthe yonko created a problem because they were strong enough to maintain their own fiefdoms in such a way the WG couldn't beat them without suffering heavy losses, it would have been a pyrrhic victory and so not worth it>>282621544yeah no shit but its what happens when a bunch of antifa libtards read comic books they have to insert their sophomoric knowledge of politics into every show and cry fascism and anything they dont like
>>282621710Indians arent usually known to be good with the english language
>>282621009NahRabbit hunt was based on thishttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_man_killing_contest
>>282621508And you said something about ideologiacal bias. Are you aware you are on 4chan.org?
>>282620686I like the idea that, at this point, the normal World Nobles/Celestial Dragons serve as a sort of screen to keep people distracted from the actual rulers of the world. Even the Revolutionaries thought the World Government's structure could be retained as long as the World Nobles were thrown out of power, but now we know that there's a actual satanic cabal run by a irrational immortal tyrant. The World Nobles and the World Government being vile was pushed pretty hard to lead up to Marineford and during the timeskip with Robin's story, but the Yonko saga just made them become out of focus.
>>282621773They are not known to be good at anything besides scamming.
>>282620567I've watched the first 9 Zatoichi movies and they're all fun. Fujitora will always be based.
>>282620686>All nuance over pirates vs marines is just fucking gone.??? The first enemy that Luffy ever fought was a corrupt Marine captain.
>>282621508The marines exist as any police/military force in the world exists, they do evil shit, good shit and everything inbetween. You post like a western leftoid who sees one brown child crying at the borders of some western nation and decides that tearing down any fabric of society and established organizations that have stood up for centuries is actually le good thing.This general has unironically been imvaded by reddit lefties jesus christ the absolute state of this place
>>282621442Cutebecca
>>282617197The best outcome possible would be Blackbeard murdering all of them in Mariejoa before Luffy arrives to stop him, but I dont think Oda will do it
>>282619767Samefag.
>>282621129>we literally just saw Whitebeard TURN AROUND and RUN AWAYWe LITERALLY did not, Whitebeard and everyone else on the island were heading straight to its center from the start.
>>282621929Yes, but that's all while he's encouraging Koby to be a marine and follow his dreams. That's the problem, the case for characters like Koji or Fujitoro is getting weaker and weaker. That's the reason why people are clowning on Garp.
What was he thinking about at that moment?
>>282619695Add me to the screenshot, Reddit!
>The huntertranny doomkek getting grilled by OP scholarsI guess its expected, HxH has zero social commentary so they arent really receptive to it
>>282621997Does Oda even remember that Lucci was a violent serial killer before joining CP9?
>>282621997>What was he thinking about at that moment?>"Toei is so fucking shit man.."
>>282621985>Koji or Fujitoro Who?
>>282619695Nothing. Biggest manga in the world while ShitxTranny is forgotten
>>282616860SAAR PLEASE REDEEM SENGOKU SAARNobody gives a fuck about Sengoku, Garp will sacrifice himself for a greater purpose.
>>282621997>Why did I eat a regular jobber zoan instead of a mythical zoan
>>282622051Koby and Fujitora*I'm tired...
>>282621985>Koji>FujitoroDoomkek blud is trying his hardest to sound like he reads one piece. Wrong manga buddy
>>282621997By the way, the anime showed very well how for five seconds he was actually scared of this huge miracle bird.
>>282620401T Bone and Kuzan did genuinely seem like good marines
>>282622104The case for two people deflecting the World Governement is getting weaker? What? Go to bed, your head isn't in the clear.
>>282616860>stuck in the system>can't 1v10 those on his level/stronger>chance to live is higher being a bootlicker>chance to eventually successfully rebel is not during my prime years>dragon is only going to succeed because luffy is nika 3.0>without nika 3.0 bootlicking lets you live longer and /hopefully/ stoke an internal rebellionGarp is just one of those guys who is high up in some dictatorship who sees what's at the top, doesn't personally revel in it, but doesn't want his 'bosses' to be the one to put a bullet in him. Rocks wasn't a great guy, he was still a pirate in his early years hitting true civvie targets, when he turned his attention to WG assets, that's better 'to us' as readers, but those in the world at large would see him as just a pirate hitting friendly nation X, and 'oh no, we might be next'.
WALLAHI SAAAR NUANCE WALLAHI SAAAR!
>>282621935Let bend my words to your polcel retarded brain so you can understandThe wg are evil UN jews and the marines are their globalist blue helmet army who overrides each island national soverienty (as they already have natialnal milatary which they could use to protect themselves from pirates) and coerces them into paying maaser to their evil jew overlords under the guise of protection which they promiss but dont actually provideDo you agree with me now you fucking faggot
>>282620401Oda drawing Luffy's fart in the wind is probably a bigger accomplishment than you'll ever do with your own life.
>>282622035Lucci has been with CP9 since he was 13. Was he a cruel killer of children's toys, in your opinion?
>>282621997The manga did the shocked face better
>>282622145>can't 1v10 those on his level/strongerRocks + Roger + Harald + Garp + Whitebeard would be enough to take down the WG
>>282616860What crimes did Roger commit again? Seems like there were bigger criminals in the sea for Garp to obsess over.
>>282622145>>can't 1v10 those on his level/strongerNobody else in the WG is on Garp's level.He could take out all the gorosei with a single fart.
Speaking of bad writing, what was the point of Vegapunk uploading a video about the truth of the world, instead of doing a live video?
>>282620957Harald will pop up and slay the inverted Rocks and accept Imu's control there to end the incident.
>>282621997>fuck I don't have any master ball
>>282622156no anon the CD's and WG are fascist nazisthey eliminated or enslaved all of the previous diverse races on the world (lunarians, buccaneers, fishmen, etc all who probably united against them) and track their own "purity" and alignment towards certain familiesluffy is going to lead a multi-racial coalition to overthrow the nazi fascist government and establish a world without borders where everyone can party and interbreed together without oppression
>>282622239
>>282621997>I want to go back to Water 7.
>>282621090Taking a bath with bepo
>>282622239True
>>282622156You're still such an insanely low IQ individual who has zero fucking idea how the world works or has ever worked, are you unironically 15? Theres no way a grown ass man in 2025 can see the world in such naive binary ways
>>282621997>oh my GOD, that schizo slave I executed for ranting about satanic demons controlling the government was RIGHT.
Should Zoro have stayed here or did Jimbo do the right thing?
>>282622209>IF ALL LE GOOD GUYS TEAM UP LIKE IN LE AVENGERS THEY WINThis is who you share the board with btw
>>282622239>GALAXY IMBRAP
>>282622341Lucci was still ready to fight Zoro again and they had no time to waste anymore Jinbe did the right thing
>>282622329>You're still such an insanely low IQ individual who has zero fucking idea how the world works or has ever worked, are you unironically 15? Theres no way a grown ass man in 2025 can see the world in such naive binary waysProves you wrong so all you have is name calling left to work with eh?
>>282622329>Ooooo my nuance>Ooo my gray areas >Ooo my media literacyGo back
>>282622341Mars was coming, Jinbe saved Zoro
>>282622236It just doesn't feel right with Rocks. He doesn't know how to pace a fight.
>>282622386What is Zoro's face trying to convey here?
>>282622209WB/Roger ain't peak yet. Harald is going to get bodied soon, rocks is going to get gukimu'd and garp would probably never ally with these guys yet, I don't think he's going to come round to being chill with roger for another 10 years at least, GV might be the inciting incident where they actually start colluding. Roger at this time isn't the lore nut rocks is.
>>282622373>IF ALL LE GOOD GUYS TEAM UP LIKE IN LE AVENGERS THEY WINHell yeahRocks tried but the bootlickers would rather suck CD cock so they deserve to sufferYou will clap when Luffy does it
>>282622402>the world only exist as pol views it or reddit views itHow is everyday life being this retarded?
>>282619958HOLY LMAOI can see this guy crying in ragetears while writing this
>>282622252He wanted to die for his sins, so there's no real logic.
This is scarier than all the Goroseis.
>>282622454>Hell yeahThis is actually wojak worthy
>>282622465>How is everyday life being this retarded?You should actually find a way to defend your points instead of calling people names.
>>282616919>A character can't change over the course of the story>I hate it when new things about the character are revealed>I hate character development>I want static one-note characters, why can't One Piece be more like Dragon Ball???
>>282621997>When you fuck up being a glowie so bad the spiritual incarnation of latin american regime change shows up to personally ask you where the nearest blond woman is so it can get her himself
>>282619850>>282619888There's nobody actually taking this goofy shitposting seriously, right?
R8 this OC crew
>>282622209None of those guys like each other
>>282622424Roger was a "lore nut" since reaching Lodestar which predates the God Valley incident.
>>282622549they look like they all have a penis
>>282622454Minor difference is Luffy hasn't hit civvie targets. He has a reputation for hitting government targets and despot kings.
>>282621997>YOU'RE A BIG GUY
HEROES
>>282622559The biggest poops
>>282622509Theres nothing to defend, you're counter argument was basically>but what if le CDs were jews? Hehe gotchaYour entire worldview is just centered around internet extremist teenagers, you're retarded, get over it.
>tfw held on to Carrotcoin>Tfw held on to Teachcoin>Tfw held on to Garpcoin>Tfw held on to bibicoin
>>282622562I thought that was a good 5-6 years after this, though he had shanks already.
I liked this chapter
Oda's biggest problem is One Piece is supposed to be a race to the finish, but then you have all these pirates that just lounge about and go back and forth all over the world at any time which kills the point. Like Luffy's crew could just go back to east blue at any time and then go see Laboon and then go all the way back and nothing would be lost.
>>282622454Rocks didn't "try", the Rocks crew regularly talked about how they're only in it for themselves. Rocks isn't retarded.
>>282622644>a race to the finish, Are you stupid? Nobody knows how to get to the finish line so sailing as fast as you can in a straight line doesn't do anything
I forgot, what happened to Stussy? Her story seems unfinished. She wanted to go back to her friends in CP0, but Kaku sent her away, and she just left. So what happens next?
>>282622386the weak should fear the strong
>>282622236Why were Rocks’ crimes erased again? Is it only because he was so powerful that he made the WG seem weak?
>>282622696what? she stayed until the ends, Lucci let her go and says he killed her, and now she's probably with the punks or set out to sea like sentomaru
>>282622719I think it was seeing Imu's face
>>282622644thats kinda the point though, people hit a wall, get into stalemates with other powers they cant beat, and stagnate imagine if brook didnt get the road poneglyph from big mom before they had to retreator if luffy couldnt beat kaido and had to retreat and regroup and maybe not been able to save the scabbards there are several major points in the story where a bad "what if" end could put them on the bad timeline or make them double back and sail around just harassing people weaker than them like any other pirate crew
>>282622719Probably because of getting inverted in front of so many people or something. Oda's handling of Rocks is pretty messy.
>>282622696She will be revealed to be a test tube sister of CarrotMy schizo theory will manifest
>>282622732>, Lucci let her goWhat kind of idiotic fanfic have you come up with? The last time we saw her, she was crying in front of Kaku and he told her to leave.
>>282622633No, in Oden's flashback it's explicitly said Roger reached LS 13 years prior to him meeting Oden which happened 26 years ago, so 39 years ago. GV was 38 years ago.
>>282622644>One Piece is supposed to be a race to the finishNo it's no you stupid fool, it's a treasure hunt. There's no way to find a treasure without a map, and no one has the map to Laugh tale.
>>282622633No that was almost 15 years after this
>>282619848>monarcho-communistThis is an oxymoron. A communist society by it's definition has no class, state or rulers. Monarchy does not fit any of those depictions. And for anyone who thinks that One Piece is a pro-monarchy manga, let me remind you that there hasn't been a single good monarch in the story. Sure, some are morally good. But they're not good leaders. Cobra let his country be destabilized by a single man. Fishman Island is a class society with it's fair share of problems like poverty and inequality. Under Riku, Dressrosa was unable to defend itself against a single pirate group. Wano's downfall was because it's Monarch was blind to the problems festering beneath, and his follower was just uninterested in ruling in general. Good people, bad leaders. One Piece does not portray monarchy as a good thing, ever. instead, Oda shows us that not even good rulers can prevent the downfall of their countries, should shit hit the fan.
>>282622782It would've been neat if Roger hearing about Shakky's kidnapping had been framed with the Roger pirates discussing their recent trip to Lodestar before Roger sees the headline about Shakky.
>>282622784Nta but they are still racing
>>282616893Jesus. 6 month break for FI remake. Major and potentially 'last season' of late night/weekly toei one piece is riddled with specials during a major climax. Holy fucking shit, it's worse than EL's flashbacks during the jump off the roof.Just let the anime end already. Toei can't/won't keep up and the move to late night was a death knell for how OP as a mainstay weekly thing was over. Good luck to merch sales.
>>282622644Because no one knows where the finish line is you fucking retard. The final island of the grand line is Lodestar which just says you need to find 4 road ponegliffs. Holy fuck how do we deal with the speedreadung problem?
>>282622856Seasonal anime with 25 episodes?
I want to live in one piece world
>>282622915In which kingdom?
>>282622915>*drowns*
>>282622915pick your body shape in one piecethis is my choice
Surprised how not a single CD has demanded Nami being captured as of yet, when her entire thing is looking pretty on the wanted posters.
>>282622622>Theres nothing to defend, you're counter argument was basically>>but what if le CDs were jews? Hehe gotcha>Your entire worldview is just centered around internet extremist teenagers, you're retarded, get over it.Those weren't my arguments but lets go through a few of them for the sake of it.He points at the world government and it's forces being like the UN a international peace keeping force intended to express the will of an supranational faction who control it and are above any laws that are not their own making them essentially the only ruling body in the world. They abuse this power to forcibly confiscate the economic output of every single other nation state they claim to protect. Now he equates this to "un jews" due to the world government's seat being an out of the way "holy land" where only they and select "lesser leaders" are allowed pilgrimage. The WG claims that they alone have the power to protect people from the scourge of piracy, however if they weren't taking all the economic output from every other land under their rule and centralizing all those who would fight under strict rule each island would likely be able to more efficiently put up a defense on their own merits.In summation the WG and it's military are parasites, they kill anyone who threatens their power for the sake of keeping said power and have a proven track record of failure at keeping pirates under any kind of control while a huge lists of successful genocides to keep the nation states tithing to the WG.The comparisons he used only because he was fed up with you dancing around the fact that Oda has written everything to be stupid.
>>282622781Uh bro did you forget the scene where Lucci says he killed her?
>>282622092This
>>282622486Well the Gorosei are terrified of him so that would be accurate
>>282622092Apparently the leopard fruit really wanted Lucci to eat him. That reminds me, it's funny how the Fish Fish fruit must've really wanted to avoid being eaten by Ivankov so it manipulated fate to make sure Linlin stopped him.
>>282622837and then through faith in luffy the good monarchs are re-established
Imu ruined One Piece, Gorosei as the villains were fine
>>282622939>>282622950>>282622953Start in east blue. Reborn in a small village. Join marine to learn rokushiki & then quit to become a pirate.
>>282622837most of the nordic social democracies are also constitutional monarchies.
>>282622975Was Stussy in that scene? No.He could have easily killed her off-screen, he could have let her go, Kaku could have told Lucci she was dead—anything is possible in the world of fanfiction.But the point is, her last scene is her leaving Kaku, all in tears, and that's it.
>>282622974So the entire argunent was>what if le CDs were jews heheNigger wrote literally nothing, kek
>>282622939Sky Islands are the best to live in since Enel left.
>>282619695>InitiallyI did drop it around Dressrosa since the pacing noticably slowed to a crawl covering a lot of shit that is frankly uninteresting with the strawhats feeling less like a real friend group it felt soulless, I I dropped the series since Ulti cute but I did enjoy Zou and WCI>NowLots of thing really just feel cheap and performative with lots of characters having extreme emotions for no fucking reason like this is Steven Universe unironically luckily I just put One Piece on the back burner and been enjoying Dandadan and PSG, but all in all post ts one piece never really changed being a mediocre series that would have its moments
>>282623019They convinced Luffy they're good people. Luffy doesn't care who rules the countries. He beats the bad guys. Hell, he even offers to protect the countries knowing they can't do it themselves. Even an idiot like Luffy knows that being a good person does not make a good or capable leader.
>>282621997Euphoria. It was confirmation his God is real and he's serving all-powerful beings, he's on the right side of history.
>>282623053>anon cannot piece together easy to understand plot threads unless they're literally on screenProbably one of the people who thought Shamrock was Shanks until the last minute
>>282622092>instead of a mythical zoanAs if ordinary WG agents have a mythical zoan, don't write nonsense for the sake of nonsense.
>>282623097*I did dropped the series but picked it back uo since Ulti cute but I did enjoy Zou and WCI
>>282623049Ones where the monarchs have mostly symbolic power, so they're not functional monarchies, they're baesically social democracies with a monarchist aesthetic. Source: I'm a Nordic lmao
>>282623063CDs are too diverse to be jews, CDs arent even a race, they are 10 ethncities LARPING as if they were a single race. Tenryubito is a social construct not reality as Vivi would have been one ffs had Lili not moralfagged.
>>282622953I unironically look like Queen irl, minus the tats
>>282623114I don't really want to believe in headcanons.
>>282623121did you consider they are ordinary BECAUSE they dont have mythical zoan?would any of the admirals be admirals without their fruits?
>>282622837Most monarchs in the story are good people. You reading 2 piece or something?
SAAAR I'M HERE TO TALK BOUT YOUR NUANCE SAAAR YOU'RE LOW IQ SAAAR.
>>282622035he's a psychopath but he's still human bro, he just came face to face with a primordial demon that's forcefully exuding pantshitting haki
>>282622957She's just not that pretty in-universe. She's high mortal tier, but mot a goddess like Amazon empresses, Shorahoshi or Hiyori.
>>282622486This scares the Gunko
>>282622953I look like a spic Dellinger being 5'6" and 120lbs
>>282623099so that makes luffy pro-monarchy
>>282623173Yes, the fruits dont have squat to do with their PLs, if Jobmi ate Mera Mera all she could do is make a fire the size of a boulder while Ace can make one as big as a small island Dai Enkai
>>282623154Thats what that retarded anon said, not me
>>282623114Lucci hated Stussy after that, he had no reason to let her go alive.
>>282623136don't explain constitutional monarchy to me you retard. you have a childish and cartoonish definition of what real monarchy is. if you have a royal family, then you are a monarchy, and cannot lay claim to being a truly egalitarian society. you are making the same arguments the british did when they opposed the french revolution and its true social progress.
>>282623173>would any of the admirals be admirals without their fruits?All of them. Fuji is implied to have only been given his fruit recently despite being in his fifties.
>>282623224>PLsplease what?
>>282622549Transgender jobber crew I could singlehandedly defeat without haki.
>>282623257Blud..
>>282623184>Most monarchs in the story are good peopleAgain, doesn't change the fact they're bad leaders. And people like Wapol, Doflamingo and Orochi have been de facto evil monarchs, after they've risen to power thanks to the weakness of monarchy itself. Wapol inherited the position despite being bad for it, because that's a built-in feature of monarchy. Doflamingo not only believed himself to be a monarch, he managed to become one by taking out a weaker monarch. Same goes for Orochi, he allied himself with Kaido and became the new monarch. Evil people, and ironically, the last two were more effective monarchs than the good people they replaced.
>>282623241I see that autism also means being unable to follow emotional cues in manga as well.
>>282623241What a useless devil fruit Stussy has
>>282623063You bumbling retard, there is no point in still talking to you. If you dont want to admit you are wrong you can just stop posting or leave the thread, this is an anonymous forum nobody will know
>>282623331>good monarchy rules>bad monarch overthrows good monarch>luffy aligns with good monarch>luffy overthrows bad monarch>good monarch reinstated how many monarchs has luffy established at this point?
>>282623243>you are a monarchy, and cannot lay claim to being a truly egalitarian societyNever said I was. Because they don't exist. I'm saying that there are countries where the monarchy is just for show, and doesn't function like monarchies do. Unironically the only way to reach an egalitarian society is communism.
>>282623331>bad leadersOda portrays them as good people and thats all that matters.
>>282623331>>282622837>>282619848>>282623184NEEEEERRRRRRDDDDDSSS
>>282623308>Blud..PLs shut the fuck up
>>282619848/pol/tards boil my blood man
>>282623366>no argument Concession accepted.
>>282623417Power Levels you retard
Of all the d families we know who do you think can actually trace back to an original d member and who instead choose to put the d to signify being an ally?
>>282623378>luffy aligns with good monarchThat's your mistake. Luffy doesn't view them as monarchs. They're just people Luffy likes, and Luffy punches the guys who are mean to those people. He has overthrown monarchs, but he hasn't intentionally really reinstated a single one, only allowed them to take the position of one because he's believed them to be good people. And again, after which he has told them he'll protect them in case, you know, the monarchy things goes south. Again.
I wonder if most One Piece villains could be reined in through medication. Like if you gave Kaido antidepressants, or Linlin had a gastric sleeve surgery.
Is there a democracy/republic country in one piece world?
>>282623432I know what it stands fori just think power scalers are retards and anyone who feels the need to abbreviate "power levels" is even more retarded still and not deserving of a serious response
>>282623384>I'm saying that there are countries where the monarchy is just for show, and doesn't function like monarchies do.a country that has a monarch, is a monarchy. your definition of monarchy EXCLUDES COUNTRIES THAT ARE MONARCHIES. britain is still a monarchy even if its monarchs are largely ceremonial.
Imu must have cursed Amazon lily with love sickness..The fact that the empress can only fall once, when she gets the sickness, no matter if the guy in questiom treats her poorly, like Roger treats Gloriosa or Ray treats Shakky, they have to "love" him if they want to live.I think the Kujas are dangerous for Imu. Shakky hurt Sommers
>>282623451>but he hasn't intentionally really reinstated a single oneso just unintentionally then
One Piece fans are the anime/manga version of Sonic fans.
>>282623241>Oh no! A woman is hugging and biting me, this is a rape of my body!
>>282623482Not that we know of. One Piece is an inherently political manga that has portrayed only flawed societies, none of which have really been democratic. Wonder what Oda's saying there?
>>282623483How is it retarded? Nami cant fucking lift a boulder while Ace can make an island sized inferno
>>282623482Water seven has no king but a mayor
>>282623532No, still JoJo fans
>>282623494I didn't say the countries aren't monarchies. They are. In name. Just like North Korea is a democracy, and China is communist. In name.
>>282623532This is true, the other day I seen someone complain that something in the manga has color in the anime on some DON'T CALL ANYBODY shit
Garp is based and pirates are subhuman rapists. Prove me wrong
>>282623555you know now that you mention it no one in the crew has a devil fruit weaponoda should do something about that you know, since they're a yonko crew and all oh sorry, did you have a point? or are we just making random comparisons?ace is dead btw so technically nami is stronger kek
>>282623451Luffy was literally grooming Momonosuke into being a good monarch "Are you just a figurehead?!".
Where the fuck is Gill Bastar?
>>282623482>>282623543>>282623559Ballywood Kingdom
>>282623527>so just unintentionally thenYeah, sure. He has intentionally taken out monarchs, and via his actions created power vacuums, and has allowed for people he deems as good to seize the power. He isn't responsible for them or their countries, but trusts that they are good people, so he's willing to defend them despite their flaws. Luffy isn't telling them to be monarchs or how to rule their countries. He wasnt to see a fair world. So he takes out the unfair people.
>>282623581north korea doesn't have any democratic instiutions. china does have communist institutions and britain and sweden obviously have monarchist institutions. china has a politburo and is a one party state lmao, how is it not communist.
>>282623638>Ham BurgerBravo Oda
>>282623635He was seen the last chapter without ever being properly introduced, that was bizarre
>>282623638One Piss has too many pointless countries
I want to commit war crimes in the upcoming grandline war....
>>282623643>He wasnt to see a fair world.all he wants is meatif crocodile had given him meat he would have beaten vivi into the dirt
>>282623631Luffy was criticizing Momo for his weaknesses as a leader, yes. And he was teaching Momo what it means to be a good ruler, yes. Because while he trusts Momo, he sees him as a child. Which he is. What does this have to do with anything? Luffy promised to help him before he knew Momonosuke was a monarch. He had all the intentions of taking out Kaido before he knew why. Because he liked a kid who Kaido had wronged. No pro-monarchist statement there.
>>282623705>One Piece is too fun and interesting>It should have less quirky and fun locations, and instead everything needs to be serious business
>>282623722Luffy hated him before he met him though
>>282623729>No pro-monarchist statement there.>momo = monarch>luffy = pro momo>luffy = pro monarchthis is simple logic anon>>282623757because crocodile didnt give him any meat
>>282623750What are you on exactly? A fictional world needs only about 50 countries
>viz version keeps the ambiguous meaning of the number of babies maffey and the mystery person are talking aboutrare viz W. maffey is going to be executed by garling after she returns to mary geoise
So the mysterious two devil fruits on Elbaf and Galley la giants Rocks mentioned really were yet another new questions Oda just dumps in to answer in at the very best few dozens of chapters rather than in the actual flashback they were mentionedWe are at the endgame, ffs
>>282623804Why? Why can't something just be fun for the sake of it?
>>282623433It depends on what D means. Was it a group? Just those that allied with joyboy? Or was it a specific lineage of joyboys? More likely the former. Weird move to out yourself as anti-proto WG (assuming this is the time frame it started) and not get fully hunted down over the centuries, and given that WG doesn't care about killing Ds ('they don't know the significance anymore', 'anyone can fake it', 'anyone can hide it') it can't, or shouldn't have major lore implications beyond signifying 'my ancestors once opposed you'. Like I hope it doesn't grant bonus magic.
>>282623750I don't think filler trash is fun nor interesting
>>282623722>all he wants is meatRetard-kun, Luffy wanting food is basically a way of painting him as a childlike simpleton. He doesn't just see food as food, food is an act of kindness, and it's a human right for him. Food is a metaphor for life itself for Luffy. He wanted a country where his friends could eat themselves full, remember? He famously help people because they "give him food" aka. show themselves to empathetic enough to help someone who wants food (a basic human right). It's literally played for laughs in Fishman Island, where it's driven home by having him say he doesn't want to be "a hero", aka. a champion for monarchy or for democracy, or for anything else, he just wants meat. And while he says he doesn't want to share, that is, he would if someone needed that food. That's why he took out a fucking Yonko. Food is even further used as a metaphor like this in several scenes, starting from Zoro and the tread-upon rice cakes, all the way to Big Mom and his dystopian kingdom of seemingly endless "food" (freedom, equality etc, she even says that's what she wants)
>>282623821Whats fun about these pointless shitty countries that WE WILL NEVER EXPLORE?
>>282623729One of the explicit goals of the war Luffy wholeheartedly supported was returning Kozuki vlan to power. That is, Luffy very intentionally put a monarch on a throne. And you're twisting the scene, he was the only one NOT treating Momonosuke like a child as Kinemon himself remarks.
So far Imu and HK are absolute jobbersHow am I supposed to be intimidated by the guy who let Sabo and countless people even weaker just visit him and leave and a bunch of job Knights that get destroyed by an accidental attack from WB and one-shot from Rayleigh?
>>282623778He's not pro monarchy because momo is a monarch. He was pro-momo even when he didn't know he was one.
>>282623879yeah why does earth have so many countries when only one matters anyway
>>282623929>Israel out of nowhere
>>282623879I hope you're going to explore every country on earth, in every time period, and live a good 20 years in each one during each time period/major cultural change.OPs main issue is that culture across the series very rarely changes, more so in present time.
>>282617996It means Garp was never a part of shit like Buster Calls and the atrocities committed by the WG, that excuses everything. Just like real life, if a military officer was not involved in any war crimes he's not on the hook for that shit. Or do you seriously think the entire military should be hanged because of a few bad apples?
>>282623871right, so if crocodile had given him meat, he would have been pro-crocodile >>282623920but momo being a monarch, even if after the fact, makes luffy pro monarch, by definitionwhy are you having such a hard time saying luffy is "pro monarch"?
>>282623929Most countries are divisions of a continent, One Piss nations are tiny shitty rocks smaller than most US cities
>>282623992One time we tried it was Kinemon's sexism, but then it just turned out to be merely a quirk for him for one arc with women in various positions of power in Wano and mo one commenting on it being weird.
>Land is like 120 square meters>I am duh king of this land respect me!
>>282623559Can Water 7 be considered ancap? It's literally a bunch of companies forming a country on a territory they deal their business in. Technically they have a mayor, but anarchism allows local leaders, I don't think Iceberg has much power
>>282624103Oda kneels to the Democratic party.
>>282624042did you forget most of them are actually larger landmasses that became islands after all the flooding
>>282624127That's how "kings" of ancient Greece were. Or various princes, kings and dukes of the Holy Roman Empire.
>>282624187Greece is the size of fucking Florida
>>282624187then again, those ancient Greek city-states of like 500 citizens BTFO'd Persia in its golden age as an empire twice so clearly they were doing something right
>>282623871>show themselves to empathetic enough to help someone who wants food (a basic human right). It's literally played for laughs in Fishman Island, where it's driven home by having him say he doesn't want to be "a hero"So Luffy doesn't want to give people human rights or stretch his empathy towards others, only receive it?
>>282624185Those countries dont exist anymore its just shitty islands and that eyesore plateau the Red Line. One Piece has one of the ugliest worlds in shounen.
Garp is a moral foot soldier so they would have kept him in a bubble from most of the morally questionable things. He ended up disliking the Celestials but being an idiot he might not have been aware of the shit the marines do in their name. Seriously, have we even seen this guy read?Sengoku I have no excuse for. He held command over some heinous shit. Even retiring when he did was a retarded decision considering who were next in line to replace him. He contributed significantly to the world order being the shit sandwich it is. He also contributed to keeping Garp in line.
>>282624018>right, so if crocodile had given him meat, he would have been pro-crocodileUp until the second when he would've found out he's an asshole. Luffy has an uncanny ability to tell when someone is good, and giving him food is a simplified way of telling us that the idiot has now accepted the Good Person.Also, Luffy isn't a pro-monarch until he defends a monarch's right to be a ruler against anti-monarchist just because the person being defended is a monarch. That hasn't happened. Luffy hasn't defended Monarchy, he has defended good people despite them being monarchs.
>>282624103Kinemon is more of a pervert than sexist
>>282624225By "kings of the ancient Greece" I mean kings of the multitude of the city-states. Imagine every Florida county having a king.
Carrot won (‿)
>>282624264>So Luffy doesn't want to give people human rights or stretch his empathy towards others, only receive it?I already said it, he does. When needed. He won't let someone die because he doesn't want to share meat. He, by default, wants a world where everyone has enough of it so he doesn't HAVE to share it. Meat/Food being human rights, freedom etc.
>>282624319That was ancient times, Greece gets unified eventually
>>282624187I thought to be 'king' you were recognized and uplifted by 'princes'. A kingdom has many princes, they work together, kingship can pass to any of them. The level above that is emperor. Your direct offspring holding on to your title as king, was a whole other matter, as per the 'kingdom's rules', or just killing each other.The territory you might hold as a prince could be tiny or larger than 'the kings'.
Franky, the king in this look more like Mayor than actually King, with how small each island/kingdom is
>>282624018If Crocodile was giving meat to the hungry, Luffy probably wouldn't have minded him ruling over Alabasta. He doesn't care about things like 'rightful heirs' or royalty, and Crocodile taking the kingdom over would be fine in Luffy's eyes if Vivi was an asshole and Croc was a chill dude who ran things well.
>>282624330
>>282623722Now that I think about it and Luffy's relationship with Vivi, Nami and etc., Luffy saving people only because they gave him food is more of a post ts thing
>>282624289>he doesnt defend the institution of monarchy, just individuals who are monarchs convenient>>282624378>He doesn't care about things like 'rightful heirs' or royaltyhe just has a history of reinstating them
>>282624378>Croc was a chill dude who ran things wellhe will be, I still believe in Crocodile's utopia
>>282624338>He, by default, wants a world where everyone has enough of it so he doesn't HAVE to share it.I think you are overthinking it. Like it's a lovely interpretation, but to Oda it is just a joke on Luffy being selfish
How the fuck can people use the Ancient Weapons if the language they were programmed in is not even the D runes on the Plotstones?
>>282624429Just as "convenient" it is for you to ignore the times he's gone against monarchs. I'm genuinely surprised by the amount of cognitive dissonance OP readers have sometimes, it takes some genuine skill to ignore shit like this. Or is this some sort of autism where people can't read subtext or intrepret metaphors and allegories?
>>282624518Who tf have you seen using Ancient Weapons, again?
>>282624552Asspullmu
>>282624550look im not a poltard and im pretty sure >>282619848 was just baitbut i think its pretty funny the amount of obvious lefties who cant actually verbalize that luffy is friends with a lot of monarchs because that would fly in the face of their progressive political interpretation of one piecenice autism accusation, thats usually my card
>>282624518you can mostly figure out how to sail a ship based on prior knowledgeposeidon is literally a living being and nothing moreuranus we still don't know the design of yet
>>282624602Do you unironically think a 800 yo satanic glob doesn't know how to read Poneglyphs?
>>282624611>lefties who cant actually verbalize that luffy is friends with a lot of monarchs because that would fly in the face of their progressive political interpretation of one pieceBut I can. Luffy is friends with monarchs. And he's friends with anti-authoritarian people like Sabo, Ivankov etc. Because them being monarchs isn't a factor for him. You can't just look at Luffy "reinstating a monarch" like it exists in a vacuum, you have to look into Luffy's actions as a character outside of it. Luffy has ties to anti-monarchist revolutionaries, to monarchs, to outlaws, to marines etc. He helped Koby, KNOWING he wants to be a marine. Is he pro-marine? No. He exists in a world with a myriad of small islands that are almost exclusively monarchies. You can't help any country in a world like that without (by your definition) being "pro-monarchy"
>>282624809>You can't just look at Luffy "reinstating a monarch"but he does, technically, reinstate themyou can "contextualize" it all you want, but he does go around reinstating monarchs >Is he pro-marine? No.since we're at the end of the thread anyway, the real answer is that luffy is apolitical but no one wants to have that discussion in the current political climate
>>282624809sounds like luffy is just apolitical and people would just use him as some mouthpiece for their politics, so it doesn't matter in the end anyway
>>282624809Poor anon, do you really think this fanbase can comprehend 12 yo child tier complexity of character writing?Luffy could spend the entire chapter monologueing your post into the camera and these threads still wouldn't understand that
>>282624926>he does go around reinstating monarchsSure, but then you have to admit he also goes around removing monarchs from power. That doesn't really seem pro-monarchist, now does it? It's almost like there's something outside of monarchy itself that motivates him.
>>282625029>you have to admit he also goes around removing monarchs from powerto reinstate the "right" monarch, yes
>>282625057He takes out bad guys that bully the good guys. He lets the good guys take over, if they want. The actual political setting has never been a factor for him.
>>282624518>they were programmedthey are just tools bro, I don't think they come with a computer or instruction manual
>>282624926>>282624971People are just used to self-insering into the main character and can't comprehend them not being their mouthpiece or reflecting them in any way. Especially considering it's shounen and teenage male target audience is much worse with self-inserting issue.>Luffy is apolitical? No, you don't get it, he shared MY views cause I am right!!!>Luffy isn't sexsually interested in anyone? No, you don't get it, he will fuck MY waifu cause I want to fuck her!!!
>>282625133>He lets the good guys take over, if they want.and conveniently enough, they always want to because guess what, monarchs want to maintain their power, and luffy helps them reclaim it!
>>282625186NTA, but now you are being a disingenuous faggot for the sake of it
>>282625186Again, Luffy has helped marines, pirates, revolutionaries, monarchs, civilians, shipbuilders etc. Why is it specifically the monarchy part that makes you say Luffy is "pro-monarchy"? Again, this is a world filled with islands that happen to be monarchies. Is Luffy anti-Marine for fighting against them, or pro-Marine for helpong them? You clearly are able to tell he's pro-monarchy despite also going against them. In Skypiea, Luffy helped religious people depose a religious leader and in-so-doing "reinstate" a new one. Is he pro-religion?
>>282625252kek triggered another one i seethread is at bump limit anyway, show's overi already said the real answer is that luffy is apolitical >>282624926i cant help it that people get triggered over luffy being pro monarch (he's also symbolically jesus as well see >>282619478)this anon >>282619848 (not me) was clearly posting fucking bait and everyone took it hook line and sinkeri dont actually think luffy is a monarchist... but it is pretttttttty fucking funny how many of his monarchist friends wind up in power after he comes through
>>282622837>A communist society by it's definition has no class, state or rulersIf there's no state then how can it own the means of production? Retard tranny.
>>282625345>Why is it specifically the monarchy part that makes you say Luffy is "pro-monarchy"?helping reinstate a monarchy makes you... pro monarchy>Is Luffy anti-Marine for fighting against themhe's anti marine enough to satisfy dragon's sensibilities > Luffy helped religious people depose a religious leader and in-so-doing "reinstate" a new one. Is he pro-religion>"reinstate"anon you are answering your own questions
>>282625365You seem to assume we're all somehow triggered and having taking the bait for discussing a known hot topic on /opg/? This is like you walking into a room full of people arguing about something, letting out a fart and walking out while declaring yourself as the master troll for getting everyone to argue
>>282625389Have you ever read anything about communism, my friend? Socialism is the phase were the means of communism are taken from private owners and centered under state. Communism is the next phase that comes after distributing those means to the people directly.
>>282625414>You seem to assume we're all somehow triggeredwell when you lead by calling someone a "faggot" yeah i'd say you're pretty fucking triggered
>>282625440Means of production, not "means of communism", excuse my retardation
>>282625447I haven't called anyone faggot, anon
>>282625537ok well whoever this anon was >>282625252 was pretty triggered
>>282625555He did say "NTA" to be fair
>>282625555Well don't expect me to treat you nice when you are being a retard on purpose, the other anon is stating basic ass facts
>>282625594and then >>282625414 responded to my response to >>282625252 as if they were the same you follow? >>282625640as am iluffy reinstates monarchs he's pro monarchy
>>282625447>well when you lead by calling someone a "faggot"Basic /a/ vocabulary, if anything paying it too much attention outs you as a newfag
>>282625707>muh heckin 4chins lingonice cope
>>282625725>newfaggot triggeredAs a clockwork
>>282625737>n-no udie mad about it
>>282625666>I was merely pretending to be retarded!
>>282625773>how many internet cliches can i quote to deny being mad
>>282619384Mihawk wasn't innocent. In his fightfaggotry he attacked marines too.His first nickname was "marine hunter".
>>282625757Don't cry over being called a mean f word, newfriend, that happens here a lot
>>282619695No editor who tells Oda to behave.
