ash is a washed up fraud

Ash and Mega Greninja would have been than Roy and his free shiny Lucario.

>>282653755
It wouldn't be horizons, it would just be the ashnime.

>>282654074
You have more than a thousand episodes to waste time on.

>>>/vp/

>>282654101
Those thousand episodes were still better than 100 episodes with Liko and Roy.

>the episodes with my self-insert were better!

Ash, Juliana and Arven would have been so much better cast than Rising Volt Tacklers. If you write all the adults from Rising Volt Tackler out then it would not change a thing because that's how irrelevant they actually are in the series. To think Horizons wasted three mouths on getting those useless adults back.

>>282654683
>wasted three mouths
Why is wasting time a problem now?

>>282653755
Pokemon Horizons would be better if it was good.

>>282655329
cope

Team Rocket? Maybe, they're entertaining most of the time, or at least they were. Ash? Fuck no, they should have retired him after Johto.

>>282655447
TR was also terrible and fundamentally flawed.
They could be fun at times, but they don't work as permanent tension makers.

>>282655679
They does not meant to be tension maker, they meant to be fun. That's why BW TRio were hated.

>>282655800
>They does not meant to be tension maker
You outright haven't wacthed the show

Oh boy a thread by that /vp/ lolcow after getting the anime thread there nuked.

>>282655816
I did
TRio meant to be bunch of goofball trying to be evil, they never meant to be a serious threat.

>>282654074
Ash had a Mega Lucario.

If Ash was in the show than Nemona would have lose to the world champion that defeated Leon, Cynthia and Steven. But instead Nemona jobbed to an ordinary Island boy whose entire development is just singing " Hoge Hoge Hoge".

>>282657085
> they never meant to be a serious threat.
Nigga, almost every episode had the tension being whether they'd steal the titular pokemon and/or Pikachu.
You didn't watch the show.

>>282657800
Why do you care about development now?

>>282653755
>better
NO
>more popular
maybe

>>282657818
Just ignore the schizo, dumbass.

>>282657818
Nobody actually thought they'd get away with it for more than an episode, shut the fuck up.

>>282657855
>anyone I disagree with is a schizo

>>282657818
>Why do you care about development now?
Because Champion never meant to be jobber that could lose to just anybody without qualification

>>282657897
That ESL he bothers with is a schizoid from /vp/ getting offended by anyone not cocksucking his Ash SI fantasies. Copy-paste any post with poor English here and you'll find 90% of them being reposts of his butthurt from there.

>>282657848
The current narrative is that Ash was never popular.
>>282657897
>Nobody actually thought they'd get away with it for more than an episode
And? How does that mean they weren't used for tension?

>>282657925
That doesn't answer the question.

>>282658247
Go back with him to /vp/

>>282658247
>The current narrative is that Ash was never popular.
One of the most popular and iconic anime protagonist with a huge fanbase on per with Goku and Sailor Moon.
Anybody who insists Ash was never popular are just coping because their "serious" pokemon anime turned to be the most boring and uninteresting pokeani series yet.

>How does that mean they weren't used for
Because they only used for comedy and gags. There were other villains to build tension.

>That doesn't answer the question
That does
Champion are not a joke that some unqualified underdeveloped OC can defeat. If this series doesn't even treat champion with respect than it means this series has no respect for source materials.

>>282659325
> There were other villains to build tension.
They didn't show up every single episode. Most times it was the trio.

>That does
Not really, you just described something about the position of chapion when the question was about a)why is development(to get there) important and b) why is that important now neither of which was addressed. You obviously wont as if you were ever able to read, you wouldn't be an ashfag in the first place.

>it means this series has no respect for source materials.
Why does that matter now?

Reminder: Rica Matsumoto (Ash) hates foreigners and especially hates brown people.

>>282660135
That's Jessie's VA and she is still employed.

>>282659476
>They didn't show up every single episode
They didn't need too since Pokemon anime wasn't about fighting forces of evil.

>Most times it was the trio.
For gags and comedy

>Not really, you just described something about the position of chapion
Which should have explained to you why development is necessary, at this point you are just trolling.

>Why does that matter now?
Its always mattered, you don't see Lance jobbing to freaking Goh. or Cynthia jobbing to Tracey. Ash despite being the protagonist had to go though 26 years of character development to be worthy enough to defeat a champion.

>>282660494
>They didn't need too since Pokemon anime wasn't about fighting forces of evil.
So they couldn't build tension every episode, gotcha
>For gags and comedy
This has already been addressed.
>Which should have explained to you why development is necessary
Not really. See, a reasonable people would understand why it is good to have it, but what I ask is your take, which is not the regular one.

>Its always mattered
Except you dissed everytime the lack of it was criticized on the ashnime for 20+ years, so no, it didn't always matter. It suddenly, for some reason, seems to matter now. What happened?

>>282660574
>So they couldn't build tension every episode, gotcha
They does not even need to because Pokemon wasn't a crime fighting anime.
>This has already been addressed
Yet you keep ignoring it.

>a reasonable people would understand
That forcing the strongest champion of Paldea to job to a random boy with no qualification and character development is just bad writing.

>Except you dissed everytime the lack of it was criticized on the ashnime for 20+ years,
I joined 4chan during SM series and my issue was against unfair treatment toward Ash despite all his character development and growth while garbage like Alain with zero character development and growth getting everything handed to them.

>>282660676
>They does not even need to because Pokemon wasn't a crime fighting anime.
Nobody ever said it was.
>character development is just bad writing
Why is character development and good writing suddenly relevant?

>I joined 4chan during SM series and my issue was against unfair treatment toward Ash despite all his character development and growth while garbage like Alain with zero character development and growth getting everything handed to them.
Alain appeared on Gen 6 though. IF you got to that point then you already didn't care about character development nor growth.

>>282660245
You didn't hear? Rica lost it over seeing a foreign language sign at a department store. Called it

#ExcessiveHospitality.

>>282660765
>Nobody ever said it was.
Your obsession with tension says otherwise.

>Why is character development and good writing suddenly relevant?
To make a good show.

>IF you got to that point then you already didn't care about character development nor growth.
Its because I went to that point that I can see the huge gap between Ash and Alain's character development. Original Ash in just 4 episode had more character development than Alain, Liko and Roy did in the entire show.

>>282653755
TR but with the new protagonist