How come even though he's a blatant Gary Stu I still kinda like him?
>>282663838because you're gay
>>282663838Because he's not
>>282663838He had a good introduciton.
>>282664557Explain
>>282663838The same reason why people like SungJinwooThey're edgy and cool.
>>282664758A Gary Stu (I don't like that term, Mary Sue didn't need to be a gendered phrase we could have just called the guys Mary Sue too and it'd be fine) is a character that breaks the rules because the writer chooses to value that character's success over believable writing, a character that reason and reality bend in service of. He doesn't get away with mistakes that he should have had significant problems from, he doesn't pull powers out of his ass that he has no business having, he doesn't have random bullshit bailing him out of trouble, and he doesn't have whatever else you might think of. He's just awesome, and that's perfectly fine.
>>282664894 Well fucking said.
>>282664922I try
>>282663838>gary stu>diesyou ok?
>>282665017he died accomplishing his goal
>>282664894>he doesn't pull powers out of his ass that he has no business havingizanami
>>282665228Okay he doesn't do it more than is normal for Naruto
>>282663838His power came at great sacrifice so I don't consider him a gary stu.
>>282664894>>282665011>breaks the rules because the writer chooses to value that character's success over believable writingIzanami does do that. >He doesn't get away with mistakes that he should have had significant problems fromHe's treated like a saint even though both he and Shisui agreed with Danzo's plan of genociding his clan.>he doesn't pull powers out of his ass that he has no business havingIzanami.>he doesn't have random bullshit bailing him out of troubleThe crow shit/the blade/the susanoo/Izanami. I know there are many morons out there who for some reason froth at the mouth whenever you call a fictional character a Mary Sue or a Gary Stu, but Itachi is genuinely one of the most blatant examples of such a character.
>>282663838Because he's hot
He has cool factor, fujo appeal, and power scale autists love him. He was wanked beyond belief even for an Uchiha>never lost a battle>2 special weapons>commits genocide but Naruto the paragon of morality in the series is suddenly quiet. No one in general calls him out for his crimes>Danzo is made to be an irredeemable asshole so Itachi can look more like a victim>tortured his brother and killed his parents but Sasuke instantly goes back to loving him and calling him perfect after finding out the truth>ended Edo tensei>defeated Edo nagato while KCM Naruto and killer bee couldn’t>Hashirama never met him and calls him the perfect ninja>had hokage level instinct and skills at age fucking 7
>>282665263Maybe I'm just not remembering it well enough then
>>282665263Uchiniggers deserved to get holocausted
He's one of the worst characters in the series.
>>282665206was his goal getting his brother to destroy the leaf? because he really did a good job with that one
He's cool and also best ship with Naruto btw
>>282663838What was Kishi thinking when he gave Akatsuki cloak only one sleeve in part 1?
>>282665263>Izanami does do that.Itachi isn't a prominent user until much later.>He's treated like a saint even though both he and Shisui agreed with Danzo's plan of genociding his clanThat also doesn't happen until much later and isn't part of the general impression first time readers got of Itachi for decades (or current day readers got for 9/10th of the time it took them to read Naruto).Gary Stu are supposed to be introduced as such from the start. Itachi doesn't turn out to be one until the very end. For most of his run, he's just a cool, hot antagonist. And that makes all the difference.
>>282665507"Cool fashion is impractical" probably (he's not wrong)
>>282665461>with narutoGo Sasuita or go home sis
>>282663838If Itachi was a real Gary Stu he would've figured out Tobi and just killed himPain too
>>282665347Kishimoto hadn't thought of his goal in details yet, please do not bully.
>>282665507it has too sleeves, Itachi just likes to use the zipper as an armrest
>>282665285Kek honestly I wouldn't even mind most of this, it makes sense for such geniuses to be born in prominent ninja clans during wars, and konoha people have no reason to regret a whole clan of powerful mentally ill dissidents 20 years later, it's the entire narrative that basically tells you genocide is justified if it's to keep the peace that's really fucked up in between the talk no jutsu and the general idealism of the show. But Itachi was born in pre Jesusruto era so it's ok, apparently
>>282665738No the anon is right, in the manga there's only one sleeve for the whole "Itachi and Kisame go to Konoha" sequence.
>>282665738
>>282663838kill yourself narutard
>>282665843>>282665820I don't remember that. was it just a manga thing?
>>282665300Even worse than Sakura?
>>282665263>Izanami
>>282665507Because making them unzip when they've got to fight is cool.Because when they fight you and beat you one handed is cool too.
Itachi actually knows that he fucked up badly >>282666057It's the rest of the world who calls him great
>>282663838He's pretty well defined for a gary stu. Also do Gary Stu's actually die? Because he did die not once but twice.
>>282663838He isn't overused and the parts where he's used, he's used well. Like this guy.
>>282665263Sasuke did nothing wrong, he had no idea what the fuck he was meant to do because his brother was an autistic retardafter finding out that Danzo ordered him to genocide the clan, how was he meant to be loyal to the leaf village?he did the only rational thing and fucked off
>>282663838Because you are a w*man.Fujofags are delusinal. Itachi hasn't done anything right trough the entire manga run.
>>282666504>hate begets hate, revenge is an endless cycle>"I should feed into this, surely nothing bad will happen"this was his mistake. You don't recognise it because you're the exact sort of grudge-filled darksouled person Kishimoto was critiquing.
>>282663838Insane aura
villain itachi is great. retcon itachi is lame.
>>282665507I think the idea was that in the hat disguise they wouldn't look like combatants. You'd take a glance and say they might only actually have one arm.
>>282663838>Blind jobber
>>282663838Funny how that akatsuki coat was literally designed for him and the redt of tha akatsuki just went along and took the same design
If he was written as a Demon Slayer character what would happen to him? Would he get a 30-minute flashback in his final fight with Sasuke about how he actually was always jealous of Sasuke and betrayed the clan because he couldn’t stand being compared with his younger brother all the time? Or would his girlfriend die so he joined the villains to create a world in which she could live again and commit suicide thanks to Sasuke’s love and go to hell in the arms of his dead girlfriend who had been waiting for him?
>>282669673>blind
>>282666504Didn't he fuck off way before he knew the Leaf ordered the genocide?>>282665263Even discounting the eye hax, the magic sealing sword custom built to cheese Orochimaru out of Sasuke was pretty egregious.
>>282664894Itachi is 100% a Gary stu then.
Itachi would have SWEAT against Madara
>>282667092What? kishimoto kiss sasuke ass and gives him a slap on the wrist for his destructive revenge path
>>282669901Itachi would be an irredeemable villian in kny
>>282663838You fell for the retcon
>>282669901No the flashback would be that everyone in the family was turned into demons and he had to kill them before they escaped the compound.
>>282673062Honestly if they were legitimately all demons he might get a pass as long as he didn't kill anyone else afterwards. But he took part in hunting down the jinchuriki afterwards, plus the children were innocent regardless of what the parents were planning, so they probably wouldn't be demons in Demon Slayer terms, so he's probably fucked.
>hmm for my the next step in my master plan I will perform agonizing mental torture on my beloved little brother, this is totally necessarywas he retarded or something
>>282663838I wish be stayed a villian and was more openly psychopathic. His canon character is unconvincing.
>>282673218Could be that he retconned Itachi into being a good guy, could be that he wanted him to hate him so he wouldn't doubt the story and turn on the village (backfired horribly). Kisame was also watching that shit happen, so the only alternative to mindraping him to put him out of commission and leave would be to beat him to near death, which might not be as convincing if he was holding back to not kill him.
>>282663838He's based and that's all there really is to it
>>282673062So kind of like sanemi
>>282673701On a way bigger scale also the both the making them all demons and the the extermination was called in by the government
>>282666077Let's not go too far
>>282663838He was loyal to the leaf despite being an uchiha. He could be seen as an uncle Tom of the uchihas.
>>282663838I dont remember was he tricked into murdering his clan? Did danzo play him
>>282672560Would he launch into a villain tirade screeching about the clan never respected him enough, about only he is the real Uchiha and how Sasuke should just feel lucky to have escaped death by sheer chance? Would that be enough to shred every last piece of aura he had built up to that point? Or does he need to go into about how bonds with friends and family are totally worthless, how such losers deserve only death, etc?
>>282663838you fell for the cheap tricks. Itachi is like everything wrong with the story. The uchiha in general are poorly handled and the idea of 2 people smashing all of them is hilarious
>>282674655Probably better than going: sorry lil bro i was just pretending, also sorry for putting you 72 hours of horrific torture when you were a kid
>>282665969Go tf outside.
>>282663838Kisame... we're leaving
Bump
>>282674676>The uchiha in general are poorly handled and the idea of 2 people smashing all of them is hilariousNo that would've worked well to portray how dangerous of a villian Itachi is. But then again he should've been one of the purely evil final villians for this.
Why don't people like Itachi being a good guy?
>>282677860Because he is a bad guy
>>282677860>see those babies, pregnant women, retired grannies>they all must die Itachi
>>282678054Itachi: say less
>>282666003Manga only and only in the original part. All the Akatsuki clothes had only 1 sleeve. Zetsu too right at the end.
>>282665206no he didn't, he corrupted his brother and says himself that he let him and the leaf down. he had tunnel vision.
>>282665507It implies the Akatsuki are so OP they only need 1 hand to fight
>>282677860It's the opposite. Sometimes I think I'm the only one who wants him to be the bad guy because the normie-world loves him. They just did not handle it well. Killing your own parents is a pretty big thing and I'm not convinced that Itachi is the kind of character who'd go along with it. That he would accept that massacring children and elders is the path to peace.Infact it would've made more sense if he was under complete manipulation of danzo. Basically a leaf fanatic. So it's better to just do away with the entire thing and make him a cool powerful villian. Make him the guy he deserves to be. The guy who strikes fear in the hearts of the likes of Orochimaru.
>>282675023Yes but this is a shounen, readers, even back then, are too stupid to understand his narrative unless he directly spells it out and relents at the last moment to show that he acktually luvs his little bro guys.
>>282663838He died and lost to his younger brother and had Obito do all the heavy lifting in the Uchiha Massacre
>>282675023>sorry lil bro i was just pretending, also sorry for putting you 72 hours of horrific torture when you were a kidIts the opposite, itachi doesn't want to be forgiven nor he thinks he deserves forgiveness. Itachi as a morally fucked up character with a twisted sense of love for sasuke is good, its the rest of the characters reaction to him that are so fucking retarded. Its like kishimoto can only succeed at one or three decent characters and the rest have to fucking suck
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>>282665228izumami is no more ass pull than izunagi, and pretty necessary as a corollary to the latter since it opened up way too many silly what ifs (still does-- why didn't shisui izunagi getting ambushed by danzo? why didn't a single Uchiha izunagi getting killed by Itachi? etc)
>>282663838He's a prime fuck-up in spite of his upsides. One key problem is he's constantly trying to put everything on himself and take on all the problems. He keeps so many secrets to the point Obito revealing them could've shook villages. He hardly has any confidants and even Kisame doesn't know half his secrets. And it's all bad because he could've tried coming clean with some and handled the fallout because even if that Amaterasu against Obito had 100% chance of working, nothing prevents Obito from revealing shit THEN coming after Sasuke. Itachi's rep is also bad enough that if he told people for real, people would assume he's a liar.His handling of Sasuke sucks worse than his cooking skills. It boiled down to>1. Lie to him forever and hope he doesn't ever find the truth.>2. Mindfuck brainwash him with Shisui's eye to be Konoha's slave forever.His goal was to play the villain and let Sasuke become a village hero by slaying him but none of this trusted Sasuke himself in any way, shape or form. It's telling when all failed, Itachi's plan was>3. Fuck it, trust Naruto. I can't do this.which ended up working. He looks like a stoic mastermind with everything figured out but he needed others to help and never sought anyone else. Deep down, Itachi's just got trust issues that ruined everything he set up and his back-up plans are almost always>I mindfuck Sasuke harder.
>>282679297The crazy part about Itachi's reputation is he's by far the most critical about himself. Nobody else shits on him at all but himself.
>>282663838>Be a spy for Konoha against the Akatsuki>only people who know the truth about the Uchiha Massacre in Konoha are Hiruzen and Danzo>Hiruzen fucking dies>now I can't send "How to beat the Akatsuki" booklets to Konoha anymore or else Danzo keeps it all to himself>sending more means Danzo & his men gets higher chances of beating S-Rank Akatsuki criminals, thus increasing his social standing & granting him more power>can't even send it to anyone else because they'd be suspicious where the source of information is & undoubtedly reject the information if they knew Mr."I killed my entire clan" compiled itFuck my life
>>282667092>you're the exact sort of grudge-filled darksouled person Kishimoto was critiquingLmao you are talking shit with absolutely no idea. Kishimoto literally admitted Sasuke's path is more realistic and something he would do himself if someone killed his family, but since Naruto is a shounen about hope, he had his way
>>282663838The proper way to deal with Uchiha is to fuck them. Make love, not war. Make babies, not battles. The evil Uchiha are the ones who failed to receive proper sexual intercourse. Madara failed to get Hashirama's wood. Obito failed to get Rin. In all those cases, the absence of sex is what caused it. The proper way is to dick the Uchiha so they would happily accept your dominance as they give birth to your kids. Tobirama admits that they are a clan of love, they just react equally negatively if spurred or tragedy occurs. Thus, the correct way is to constantly show them love and endlessly dick them into submission.
>>282679331uhbased
>>282663838What a life Sasuke had.
>>282679666the lack of focus on eugenics in the series will always be weird. Only the Hyuga really touch on it. It makes zero sense both politically and practically to not have a lot more interclan programming with the senju+uchiha being the obvious first case
>>282679687Alright the part where he realizes that his Danzo description also fits Naruto made me chuckle
>>282679735According to one Naruto LN, one guy was a distant relative of the Hyugas and had 1 Byakugan. He could give Itachi and Shisui a good fight. It seems that some clan genes are recessive and die out easily if they don;t bang within the clan every now and then. IRL Eugenics often produces tons of problems, from health issues, to lack of genetic diversity, but you'd think Sasuke could hypothetically make himself rich beyond repair by getting paid to fuck everyone's wives and daughters because they want that Uchiha DNA.
>>282679331Coward
>>282679857kino
>>282679862Still the best doujin to this day. 10rankai wishes she had this sense for drama
>I FOUND YOU AT LAST, LAST OF THE UCHIHA>YOU WILL FUCK MY SISTER RIGHT NOW
>>282664894He does whatever he wants and dog walks the cast until the fight he chooses to lose
>mfw Sharingan hypnosis ended up being more used than copying
>>282663838I'm curious what were Hamura, Kaguya, and other Otsutsuki Byakugan ranges. Neji managed at least a radius of 800m and can see everything accurately enough to see the tags, possibly around walls and trees. Someone strong enough might be able to see an entire country, if not more, at all times in high detail.
>>282680057copying isn't all that great of an ability when you think about it
>>282680178Depends on what's copied. The databooks said that many clans had a specialty and because it was pre-Hidden Village, they mostly didn't mesh with others. This meant unlike now where you could send a squad with a bunch of skills from different clans, you had to hire multiple clans and they may not trust each other. One reason the Senju were exceptional was they didn't have any specialty, they did everything and they seemed to do everything well. So the Sharingan is one way you can reliably get a jack of all trades from a time clans didn't mesh.
The funny part to me is how little we see Sharingan users copy from each other as training besides maybe Sasuke and Kakashi. Theoretically, the Uchiha could have a massive collection of useful non-bloodline techniques from defeated rivals they keep to themselves, and deliberately fudge how hard it is to master normally just so the only practical way to learn them quick was Sharingan. I bet all the Uchiha rested on their laurels as top dog too much.
>>282680157 in the boruto anime arc where they deliver shukaku to konoha, urashiki can see seemingly for miles. regarding neji reading from that far, i think the Byakugan gives perfect clarity and magnification of anything within your range, but the vision ends abruptly at the end of the range. but it also seems you need to focus on things at a point, so while you can see a field around you, or a distant object, you can't see both an object 2 miles away before you and another 2 miles away behind you, even if you can see an object approaching from right and left at once. like how i can see a car moving at each side of my vision, but if I focus on a distant cat, i can't see another one that's distant but still within my field of vision
>>282664894>Izanami>Susanoo without the sharigan active>his Susanoo being the only ones to have spirit weapons>being fast enough to avoid Kirin which is faster than light when he's dyingPeople praise Itachi too much imo
Itachi was alright for an Uchiha boy
>>282668008By retcon Itachi, do you mean secret good guy Itachi? I don't like the character but I feel him being a good guy was set up long enough in advance, I wasn't surprised when it was revealed. It's still incredibly dumb though.
>>282680667>>being fast enough to avoid Kirin which is faster than light when he's dyingJust activate it before it hits. He sees Sasuke's hand about to go down, just preemptively use it.
>>282668008villain itachi is greatsecret good guy gary stu itachi is lame"oh god i fucked up so bad thank you for cleaning up after my fuckup and being a good friend to sauce" itachi is great
>>282679465Because you lose a fucking eye for your trouble, is an esoteric as fuck move that few people actually know, and still leaves you open to counterattack. Danzo was uniquely suited to using it because he had a bunch of spare eyes prepared for the purpose of spamming the move. If he lost an eye, it was no skin off his ass because he didn't need them to see. He had Shisui's eye that he'd never spend on Izanagi and his own eye that was safe regardless. An Uchiha using the move was permanently giving up vision and half of their clan abilities to evade death once, and that's only if they knew how to use the move. Shisui might not even have known how to.
>>282679656That's just Kishimoto admitting he's no better.
>>282680813Being able to manifest a giant chakra mech instantly while you are on your last legs and without your opponent noticing until after they've launched a literal lightning-speed attack at you is pretty egregious.
>>282674502Yes and no? Danzo egged him on but it was ultimately Itachi's choice
>>282680775Itachi was set up as clearly having something more complicated going on, but not necessarily being a secret good guy. If he was a zealot who killed his clan out of devotion, couldn't bring himself to kill his brother, and genuinely went rogue afterward because he's crazy then he'd be more compelling. Being a secret good guy but failing to deliver on it undermined his character to an insane degree.
>>282681226then they should've laid that out during the description of izanami section, when what was described was an actual social problem caused by nearly everyone being willing to use it. i can understand the average user not using it, but shisui was supposed to be an itachi level genius. I'm not opposed to the duo of jutsu, just think that the introduction of it w danzo opened a fair few holes that aren't readily explained. i think danzo is a fun villain and good fight, but the ability to save one's life at the cost of one eye is pretty obvious when you're otherwise dead. if it's solely because it was forbidden and exorcised from the memory of clan, much like madara himself was, then Itachi should have to explain how he knew it, while he senior contemporary genius relative wasn't. definitely can't see Obito telling him, since Obito was always somewhat aware that itachi wasn't wholly on his side
>>282681305It drains his life itself and Madara later showed Susanoo doesn't need eyes. He was very drained but only 100% run out after doing the head tap. He was on his last legs.
The Uchiha masscrre straight up doesn't make sense if izanagi exists
>>282681573Most can't use it and it came unexpected. The real question is if anyone like Sasuke's parents knew and willfully faked their deaths via Izanagi.
It would be scary having a horny female Uchiha after you. Imagine training or fighting or anything with them, feeling scared because they can detect you and your chakra easily with their Sharingan but you likely lack a way to detect them easy. They're an elite clan so they have above average abilities. They'd sneak up upon you easily while being very hard to detect. You couldn't turn your head without colliding your lips right into said horny female Uchiha's lips. You couldn't reach out an arm without realizing it feels weirdly soft then noticing they've directed your hands to her breasts and you're groping them. Just imagine having to take a piss in the middle of a mission. The millisecond you find a seemingly private place to whip out your wang she's already there. The second you've unzipped your fly and stuck out your penis she's already got her mouth around it. You can't even scream because she'd genjutsu Sharingan on you and paralyze you if you look down, continuing to suck you off. Remember when Sasuke used his Sharingan to get Bee's location and description from that guard? She might do the same and mind control you into sticking it inside her right then. Shit would be absolutely scary.
>>282681455For the average Uchiha, using Izanagi probably means you still die anyway. Danzo had Hashirama DNA to smooth things out and a bunch of eyes so he could use it back to back, but when Hashirama and Madara fought he chose to use it on a delay to fake his death rather than keep fighting. Giving up half of your vision and ocular techniques mid-combat against an opponent that was already strong enough to kill you just means you die anyway 99% of the time. Izanami was developed as a "what-if" counter to people overusing Izanagi, but it's not like Izanagi can be spammed by most people. You've only got 2 uses of it at maximum unless you steal someone else's eyes and they actually happen to be compatible. >>282681573Most Uchiha were civilians who didn't even have Sharingan. The rest were taken by surprise, and the Izanagi is a technique that you have to initiate before you die. We see Danzo activate it before he engages Sasuke and he deactivates it so save his eyes from being spend. Madara had preset it to activate after he died as well. Izanagi is basically useless against surprise attacks.
>>282665228i guess amaterasu was also an asspull when he escaped the toad's belly huh?
>>282681573tsukuyomi and kotoamatsukami literally prevent capable users of izanagi from doing it and itachi had both at his disposal
>>282681618>see itachi>activate izanami>it's too latethere's a reason why he went blind quickly
>>282664894I'm fine with this if you just said that he isn't a Mary Sue because he is a flawed character and did horrible things that, while partially retconned by Danzo, still didn't change the fact that he did do them. But to also say Itachi didn't pull shit out of his ass? That is Itachi's go to move, just pulling shit out of his ass. You can trace most of the asspulls to Itachi, either him being the 1st to do it (Susanoo), or being the only one to do it (Yata mirror, Totsuka Blade gg, Izanami) or things just conveniently happen when he's around (his Kotoamatsukami using crow [wtf even is this shit] just triggering so he can free himself from Edo Tensei control, again Izanami being the 1 perfect counter).
>>282681455that danzo told them could have been a reason why he wanted them dead given he'd expect they'd not use it since their mangekyos were useful enough on their own not to warrant it
>>282682333NTA but the Crow I wouldn't say is an asspull.He did put it inside Naruto before he died.I think the Spirit weapons are the most bullshit thing. Why does Madara not have any?
>>282677860Because it retcons his early characterization.
>>282679331That's why Boruto exists
>>282663838Itachi is a real bizarre character. One of the most obvious cases of an author changing their mind about a character's direction that I've seen.
>>282683238>Why does Madara not have any?Madara has his swordsShisui has a drill lanceSasuke has a bow and arrowItachi has a sword and board
>>282684514>One of the most obvious cases of an author changing their mind about a character's direction that I've seen.There was always an implication of something going on behind the scenesWhy would the guy who murdered his entire family not murder Kakashi when he had the chance? Even Kakashi asks why Itachi didn't just kill him. Same with Asuma and Kurenai.
>>282680157>Kaguya watches you masturbateshe's such a pervert
>>282680523the sharingan is utterly busted in how OP it is, it totally blows apart the entire setting. reminder that originally, the claim it could instantly copy any jutsu was a lie Kakashi made up to spook Zabuza, and what actually was happening is that he was casting a low-level genjutsu on his opponents to make them cast jutsu Kakashi already knew and then fooling them into thinking they cast it first and Kakashi copied it. The sharingan was originally JUST hypnotism.
>>282663838I wonder if in Boruto they'll unseal Kaguya and turn her into a good guy
>>282678054>evil clan wants to conquer village>uchihaboos invent characters to make them more sympathetic>baby goblins
>>282684773>the claim it could instantly copy any jutsu was a lie Kakashi made up to spook ZabuzaKakashi is literally called The Copy Ninja by Zabuza when they meet
>>282684853because he had used that technique before, and people didn't know how he did it. he first explained it to Zabuza as him copying jutsu, and then later in the fight Zabuza figures out what's actually happening which puts Kakashi on the back foot and allows Zabuza to turn the fight around. Even when it gets retconned to actually being able to copy jutsu, there was still the hard chakra limit where Sasuke gets his teeth kicked in by Lee because he physically can't keep up with what he's seeing and attempting to replicate Lee's moves without Lee's training obliterates his stamina.
I'm actually watching the anime for the first time after reading the manga, and I'm on the Itachi flashback near the end. Shisui sits him down and says to him "Itachi, you're so exceptional that you don't understand what it's like to not be." That's one of his major flaws, allowing people space to make errors he never could. Like so many others stuck in the Foundation, he was one-track minded and lost his sense of self, lost his ability to ask why something was happening rather than how to complete the mission. Just look at Kakashi's existential crisis after being in ANBU too long. >>282679137I wish we got to see Obito use wood style more because it seemed he had some cool unique jutsus utilizing it during his various meltdowns and slaughterings>>282678598> I'm not convinced that Itachi is the kind of character who'd go along with itbruh this is the show where children are taught to mindlessly kill for the sake of the feudal lord living it up in his palace and he was called upon for missions at like 6 or some ridiculous age, just look at Kakashi's killing spree or how the majority of ninjas act>>282683238do you not remember Madara's special weapons that he loaned to Obito before he died and was resurrected? >>2826847780% chance, it's implied Ishiki was stronger than her but she's going to come back Golden Frieza style
>>282684929I think it's pretty clearly stated over and over that Kakashi lacks the chakra to use the sharingan at all let alone copy shit or god forbid Kamui without gassing himself instantly, there's no fucking way he or even Sasuke could copy something like the more advanced Stone explosive techniques
>>282684773It wasn't a total lie. Sharingan gave the visual acuity necessary to watch someone's hand signs and actually comprehend them, but it was up to the user to remember and perform them. Kakashi was doing low grade hypnosis to fuck with people and make them think he was doing their technique faster than they were when in reality he was just aware of their moves and was leading them on while staying ahead. He saw what Zabuza was going for, fucked with his perception, and then beat him to the punch.Kakashi has doubtlessly seen numerous techniques, but it's not like he can reproduce them all from memory on the spot or that he has the ability to actually use all of the techniques he knows the signs for. He has his limitations, but he's really good at sleight of hand and trickery to goad people into playing a game he can win.
>>282666429Can we actually trust the hokages here? They were revived and a Uchiha full of hate want answers to why not destroy the Village. Maybe they were just trying to gaslight sasuke to make him not revolt against Konoha. If had they said "yes it's our fault we fucked up" maybe it would only fuel his desire for revenge even more. But when you say:>Yes, your brother was an amazing konoha shinobi he is the true hokage, the greatest shinobi to ever live, We would have done the same to protect the village because this is what a hokage is supposed to do.Sounds less shit.
>>282685492and later on it basically lets you instantaneously xerox any ability that crosses your field of vision. except the rasengan, for whatever reason.
>>282685550He was casually and boastfully saying it in reference to Itachi's character and dedication to the village alone, not his strength. Once he's revived, Hashirama pretty clearly shows he was a flawed man in many ways, like his gambling addiction.
>>282685550Nan its simply kishimoto wanking the uchiha
>>282685743kid Tsunade a cute bratdoesn't she call him 'jiichan' when he first speaks to her with Ino's thought broadcasting?
>>282663838This reminds me how much i like Itachi. I want to rewatch his episodes
>>282686307yeah, as in "old man" or "grandpa"
>>282686380"jiichan" is a particularly cutesy and intimate form of address. It's what you'd expect from a little kid... or an adult woman who absolutely adored her grandfather and has a momentary lapse of composure when being surprised by his presence after he's been dead for decades
>>282686462yeah
>>282686489Cute-nade
>>282663838itachi isn't a mary sue if you wanna see a real mary sue look no further than pic related
>>282685550I think Hashirama would be a bad liar so he wouldn't even try.
>>282663838ok, just watched this and remembered from the manga why the concept of betraying the clan even came to him. After the suicide of his mentor, Shisui, he became so disillusioned with his own kind that he was VERY easy to manipulate emotionally by Sarutobi and Danzo. He is a profoundly flawed character, always the analyst in battle yet never seeing the bigger picture.I don't think he's a Gary Stu, I think he's an example of a prodigy that developed early and stunted his own emotional growth due to never having to struggle. Almost like a Mozart-esque depiction.
