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>>282681861Did he kill that demon general guy? I can't believe they smashed all his statues
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>>282681934Anon, Rivalle is the demon that wiped out Stark's village and killed his family. He's very much alive.
>>282681945Is this setting up stark as his opponent? Man, this series do turn into shounen..
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>>282682044Wait, when did they name the demon that destroyed Stark's village? Do I actually have to reread everything?
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>>282682048>turn into
>>282682082They didn't. They showed him in a panel way back when. Then literally years later, the story introduced Rivalle and he matches the demon in that panel exactly.
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>>282682231Oh, so Lowe is likely the one with premonition powers
>>282682343Thanks for reading
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First class jobbers
We we will be down to just 1 elf left in the story after this arc, huh.
>>282682369Magebros....Weren't the SW supposed to be jobbers?
>>282682369do we know this guys magic ability?
>>282682369>NOooOOOoOOo YOU CANT JUST ATTACK ME BEFORE I CAST MY SPELL!!!!!! Average magecuck when facing a warrior
Killing serie would be a mistake. I could make up lots of convoluted reasons why this is the case, but it's really because I like her and don't want her to die. :(
>>282682167The anime also covered that, so you can see him with his giant axe in Stark's flashback there too.
>>282682048always has been
>>282682359It's possible. We do have to keep in mind that he seemingly hates magic and wants to wipe it from the world though.
>>282681560>dwarf in fronti guess the dwarf hero killed the elf?
Did they explain why there are so few elves around?
>>282682369>Magic is the stro-
>>282682405Serie and her entire organization is a failure
Kill all elves
>>282682623There's so few elves around because the demons genocided them.There seem to be few dwarves around, likely because the demons genocided them.There are comparatively few demons around because they waged war on everyone for a thousand years and almost got wiped out in the process.Humans lost 2/3 of their number to demons, but in the end they're the winners because while they have much shorter lives than everyone else, they breed much much faster. So humanity is recovering quickly compared to everyone else.
>>282682623Long lives = less urge to reproduceAlso the demons killed most of them.
I have no idea how can jobbark fight against them
>>282682405>>282682664Fern won though?
If we don't get a bloodbath on all sides, I'll be disappointed.
>>282682408What, you think Serie and Frieren will die? Recall Kraft is also alive.>>282682369So I guess, assuming he lives, we'll get to find out if healing magic can reattach or regrow limbs.>>282682497All we know is that he can move about through some kind of shadow portal, and can mimic voices.
>>282682902so far the mangaka only killed mob character mages and demon mages of cose.mostly likely tie breaker end with Serie or the Emperor stopping both sides with some bullshit. or one of the SWs turned out to be a demon general, giving them all an excuse to team up to kill the demon.
>>282682587Wouldn't be the first antagonist in a series to use the very thing he intends to get rid of.
>>282682664I will not have you insult Sense, Denken, Methode, etc.
>>282683005>so far the mangaka only killed mob character mages and demon mages of cose.And a ton of unnamed villagers, soldiers, etc.
Frieren is coming to save him, she will detect the mana from the spell he started to cast. Stark will fight off the dwarf, Sein will heal his arm and confront GorillaFalsch will give the id of Lowe to Frieren who will go off with Fern to stop himIt's all so predictable
>>282681861Rivalle sure is cool. He seems to always use the same weapon type as his enemies.Though for some reason, he stuck with the axe when he raided Stark's former village that uses swords.
>>282682878>among the shadow warriors, spear dwarf only feel fear from lowe>spear dwarf also feel fear from eisen>eisen feel fear from stark>ergo stark = loweStark can easily win 1v1 fight against any SW, he definitely will win again spear dwarf, and probably job to lowe.
shhh Serie is sleeping
>>282682896she lost her battle along with her shitty bf
>>282683230If frieren is any indication of her species then serie must spend much of her time snoozing in the gardenonly waking up to be snarky, cryptic, or test people
>>282682808Repugnant
>>282682553She's a pointless character after this arc, doesn't add anything to the story plus Frieren hates her, so better she just dies
>>282682640Everyone knows that at certain distance, warriors will rape mages in a fight. The real question is how fern's zoltark could keep up with the shadow warriors?
>>282682369That clean cut with that weapon is really impressive even without the speed
>>282682369I thought this dude’s ENTIRE schtick was being sneaky. Serie was right
>>282683344>doesn't add anything to the story She leads the most influential magical organization on the continent and presumably has more knowledge of ancient history than anyone else alive. There are myriad ways she could contribute after this arc, depending on what the author decides to do with her.>plus Frieren hates her,"Does not especially get along with" does not equal "hates."
I can't believe what utter trash this manga has become or how insipid the people who still read it arehey man i wonder what's gonna happen next chapteroh wait my dad works at frieren and he says everyone's gonna stand around with blank neutral expressions or else really tiny self-mocking smiles and they're gonna talk about how serious everything is and it's a battle to the death and then either nothing will happen or the entire war will be over in one magic attack that no one saw coming that shows X is infinitely more powerful and clever than Y
>>282683344she is a precious grandma with high expectations and a rude demeanor who still ultimately loves you and wants you to improve even if she disagrees with your life choicesShe doesn't need a reason to exist, it is enough for her to be and be cute
>>282683572just t a k e a breath frenStop reading for a month and check back when there is enough chapters, whatever.
>>282682048>turn intoBitch this manga literally runs on weekly SHOUNEN sunday magazine.
>>282682369Warriorbros... I'm tired of being right and winning all the time.
>>282683242did you speedread or are you bot?they got turned into gold.then after Frieren dispelled the gold from everyone, Fern zapped the demon who stabbed her. (chp 102)Fern won. demon dies. simple as.
I find it interesting our Shadow Warrior dwarf still regards Eisen as a friend. Surely he knows how against Eisen would be for the path he's taken as some underground assassin. Just what happened to cause him to think all this is justified? Surely having fallen on hard times would not be enough for a man who didn't seem to care about success or glory to turn to a life like this. One would think he'd sooner die or just go off to live on his own.
>>282682369I thought he would be a jobber and easily die, but his face tells me he's gonna escape.
>>282683107Kek no, Freiren has so little vested interest in these jobbers. Falsch dies and Sein meets Gorilla unceremoniously in the banquet hall
>>282682048This has always been a shounen manga serialized in a shounen magazine. What the fuck? Are Frierenfags so delusional?
>>282681560whats subclass is frieren
>>282683809cleric of morpheus
>>282682369>losing an arm is normal. No need to react to that.
>>282683662she lost the battle the moment they got turned into goldfrieren joining is round 2.without frieren, the kids would've been turned into either dust or gold.she lost the battle but won the war (thanks to frieren)
>>282683588If she really loves her apprentices she would allow them to spoil her like a queen. There's no greater joy for many of them.
>>282683662>>282684087Why are you arguing about Fern sniping Solitar from miles away when she was fighting Frieren and not pointing out that Genau actually did just pull through and win and that Borg and copy Sense lost to Ubel, a CMA mage?
Holy hell the pacing is as slow as HxH palace invasion arc. The hiatus is mimicking that as well.Also did anyone ever figure out why the authors duo go on hiatus so often?
>>282684082>he's never lost an armWay to oust yourself as a sheltered little baby.
>>282684082Just a flesh wound.
>>282683162>Though for some reason, he stuck with the axe when he raided Stark's former village that uses swords.he only uses the same weapon when he respects his enemyStark's village was too weak
>>282684122because is Fern is cuter.but you're right, Ubel is overpowered + plot armour.and Glasses kun never lost a single fight. he purposely surrendered because Ubel got caught.
>>282684135>Also did anyone ever figure out why the authors duo go on hiatus so often?Without any official explanation all we can do is guess. One common theory is that they were spending a lot of time advising on the anime's second season.
>>282684082>>282684201it's a shadow magic arm. quote me on this and pay me 10 000 yen when i am right.
>>282684259Only if you pay me a million USD if you're wrong.
>>282683809Whooper BAGA chef
you guys are stupid, it's very obvious he will escapehis name is literally "wrong", "fake" in Germanwhat you're seeing is a clone
>>282684271im not united statian. just tariff my cunt.
>>282684297>his name is literally "wrong", "fake" in Germanthere's still the theory that he is the hidden demon from the time travel arc.
How many more chapters in this arc?
>>282684344why would he be helping protect Serie
>>282684356he's playing out his role in the prophecy?which might require him to copy Serie's voice to LARP as her , after she died?
>>2826843552 more years.that includes the hiatuses.
I forgot, why do they want to kill Serie again?
>>282684427They wanna get rid of magic.
>>282684427DEMONS I bet
>>282682369Stark is nowhere this fast.I doubt that currently he has any chance against him
>>282684427Lowe wants to remove magic from the world. Serie is a living library of magic who shares magics with others.If he's serious about it, he kind of has to.
>>282684297He can't be a clone because Land is already the clone guy. His specialty might be illusion magic. Would go with the spell he got from Serie to mimic voices.
>>282683393>The real question is how fern's zoltark could keep up with the shadow warriors?It cannot, they're wearing zoltraak resistant armor. Fern will be useless this arc unless random demons pop up like some people seem to want. >>282683514depends on the weight and sharpness, falsh is unarmored so most of the resistance would come from his bones. >>282683690I guess he's a nationalist or looking to die in glorious battle. Either way given that he had his legacy destroyed and larped as a bum for nearly a decade he probably doesn't have much of a ego. >>282684242>but you're right, Ubel is overpowered + plot armour.Ubel is in the jobbers clippings.>>282684427becuz she's a bitchy granny and nobody likes her.
I wanna get off this shitty, power levels riddled battle shounen ride and go back to silly magics about removing rust. It would be fine if he could write it properly but he is pretty obviously out of his element.
>>282683690He might just be depressed and a bit suicidal. That's really what the conversation that he has with the other shadow assassin feels like. Dude has kind of given up on everything, is ignoring his own health, and choosing dangerous missions simply as something to do. I hope he and Stark get a good fight
If the author makes him fight Stark and lose, he is truly a hack.
>>282684707>It cannot, they're wearing zoltraak resistant armor. Fern will be useless this arc unless random demons pop up like some people seem to want.Resistant, not immune. That resistance is why she only "half killed" the nun she hit and left her bedridden. So, provided she can charge up a trong blast,s he should be able to hurt other shadow warriors.
>>282684782>and go back to silly magics about removing rust.That was literally one of the earliest chapters of the series, before they even set out for Ende. You want the story to go back to what it was when it was setting up the actual story it was intended to be. That just isn't reasonable.
>>282684927>when it was setting up the actual storyI thought the actual story was Frieren retreading old paths in order to learn more about what is really important in life and Himmel. Are you saying it was always about the empire and the fate of magic association? Are you perhaps illiterate?
>>282683162Maybe he stuck with the axe as a mark of respect to Eisen, since he couldn't beat Eisen and he went on to help kill the Demon King.
>>282685047Not that anon, but he has the scar in this ch, so he's using a spear in a flashback that takes place post goddess monument.
>>282685017Retreading old paths was when she was wandering around with no particular destination in mind. Then it became about reaching Ende to speak with Himmel again. Everything since then is a consequence of that journey, including this current arc.
Lowe:Knows precognitive magic himself.Is being fed precognitive info by Frase.Is being fed precognitive info by the court of the sacred staff.Is being fed precognitive info by Minus, he never killed her and they're in cahoots.Other.Which is it, anons?
>>282684087>she lost the battle the moment they got turned into gold>recovers and kills enemy>still counts as a lossimagine the seethe
>>282685266Let's call it a draw.
>>282685233Yes and i want the current arc to be over as soon as possible so that story can return to its usual premise which is NOT about some grand conspiracy or continent spanning adventure. That adventure was done before the story even started. Demon king is dead. First chapters makes that point quite clearly.
>>282685250>Is being fed precognitive info by Frase.This we can probably rule out since it was already addressed in the story and decided it wasn't likely.
>>282685363>or continent spanning adventure.But that's what this journey is. "A mere ten year adventure" that spans over half the continent.And the demon king being dead doesn't mean there are no threats. That's never been the case.
>>282685266>recovers and kills enemyyour argument works if Fern recovered all by herself>>282685266basically this. she lost one and she won another (big thanks to Frieren)It's more apt to say Frieren won with Fern's assist that the other way around.So it boils down to 0 wins, 1 loss, and 1 assist.
>>282685438>>282685363Are we sure the demon king is actually dead? After all, wasn't the hero's sword supposed to be what did the deed? For all we know Frieren and co. just crippled him to the point of near death, and for centuries he's been recovering from a few wisps of mana in the castle they're conveniently heading past.Stark should go back and grab that.
>>282683344Not really. It is been stated that Serie, unlike Frieren, likes war, likes to fight. Once Solitar schemes advance further she will be needed to at least mobilize the association to buy time for the true hero, which is going to be Himmel, to appear.This whole thing is probably a demon scheme and someone is either blocking Serie to make her think her death is assured or deceiving her in some way with false visions. Demons are cunning monsters that deceive humans and we have been shown illusory magic is a thing even the strongest mages have problem with.
>>282685559>After all, wasn't the hero's sword supposed to be what did the deed?It's not a master sword situation, zeldafag. The sword was used by previous hero (partner of the homo elf) to defeat the previous demon lord.
>>282685559>Are we sure the demon king is actually dead? After all, wasn't the hero's sword supposed to be what did the deed?The prophecy was that the sword would stop an evil that threatened the world, but the demon king was more a threat to humanity rather than to the world itself. >For all we know Frieren and co. just crippled him to the point of near death, and for centuries he's been recovering from a few wisps of mana in the castle they're conveniently heading past.Don't think we have any indication of any creature in the setting that can do that. Once a demon's body starts disintegrating into mana they are already dead.
>>282685633>The sword was used by previous hero (partner of the homo elf) to defeat the previous demon lord.Kraft's partner was a priest. I don't recall him using a sword. There has also been no mention of any other demon kings.
>>282685652So it's for Tod?
>>282685713That's one theory.
>>282685652Something's fucky about the whole demons being made out of mana thing to begin with. It's been heavily implied that demons are a result of convergent evolution, humanoid predators that prey on the other races, but all the other races have physical bodies. They leave corpses. Why are demons made of magic?Could it be that demons are what happens when there's too much magic in an area? It'd explain why there are both humanoid and animal-like demonic beings. And give these magic-hating assassins a reason to be doing what they're doing.
>>282685774>explainIt's fantasy world with literal goddess. It's magic ain't explain shit.
>>282685774To be clear, demons are monsters and all monsters are also made out of mana. They still reproduce like normal creatures, bleed, eat, have internal organs, undergo adaptation, etc. But for whatever reason when they die they lose physical form.
>>282685868A goddess we haven't seen. Why was she there, all those years ago? Could she have been taking care of the initial threat the demons posed, and only one she left were the remnants able to form a new army under the Demon King? Is that really what lead to the demise of so many elves?Speculation is fun, anon.
>>282685874Are all monsters immortal? Could mortal beings have given up their physical forms in the pursuit of the immortality of the elves? Are demons really butthurt humans who wanted to live forever but lost their souls in the process, leading to divine intervention??
>>282685927It's probably the same case like lord of the ring. The goddess just fuck out.
>>282681603wtf gorilla, that's mean>>282682369>warriors are jobb- ACK
>>282682623Demons culled their numbers and they have negative sex drive
>>282683230head is too attached
>>282685955So you think she might be hangin' out in the far far north, then, with Himmel?
>>282684096she does
>>282685774Demons, like all monsters including dragons, turn into mana when they die. While they are alive, they have physical bodies that grow from childhood and they have bones and blood and organs. Hell, we've seen Solitar talk about the differences in brain structure between humans and demons.The funny part is that since you can't dissect a demon, Solitar either used x-ray magic to study a demon's brain (wouldn't put it past her) or vivisected another demon to study its brain (wouldn't put it past her either).
>>282682808>There's so few elves around because the demons genocided them.>There seem to be few dwarves around, likely because the demons genocided them.This is so retarded considering we've already seen the top strength demons and they all got destroyed. It makes zero fucking sense when the ancient elves were glazed so much. So they all fucking died but our weaker modern era characters killed the demons that killed them? Stupid.
>>282686286Humanity (meaning all 3 races) with numbers and coordination, anon. Each member of Himmel's party was a monster in their own right, and together the party was much stronger than just the sum of its parts. And yet their victories were, by necessity, a bunch of 4v1s against the top demons.The Hero of the South facing off against Schlact + the seven sages and managing to kill 4 before dying is still the single greatest feat we know of in the entire manga.If it were Schlact + the 7 sages vs Himmel's party, they would party wipe hard without killing half of them despite it being an 8v4. I can say that while not even knowing the magics of three of the seven sages.Also, demons are a species that developed to prey on mankind. They are inherently combatants. Most people of any race are regular folks. Farmers, blacksmiths, bakers etc and would just fucking die against even a child demon. Don't assume all elves trained to fight no matter how much time they had to do it.
>>282684827>{Raisen's] ignoring his own health,I kind of just took it for him showing off his superhuman constitution as Eisen would often do.
>>282686286>we've already seen the top strength demons and they all got destroyedBy the upper crust of the other races. Surely you don't think all elves are top tier mages, right?
>>282686399>break diamond with handsThat's normal for a warrior.
>>282686286>It makes zero fucking sense when the ancient elves were glazed so much.they aren't though, Frieren was the strongest in her village and some of Flame's friends in the imperial mages when that organization was in its infancy were stronger than Frieren.
>>282682664Just look at the last chapter. Someone using clairvoyance has been killing off any mages in the association who get too powerful. They've never been allowed to succeed too much, but have been allowed to grow to such an extent that they are integral to the defense of the Northern continent and that wiping them out would lead to a collapse in human civilization. Serie's organization is a honeytrap, not a failure.
>>282685939>Are all monsters immortal?No monsters are immortal as far as we know. Recall Frieren initially thought the best thing to do with Macht was to keep him sealed until he died of old age. She also mentions sky dragons dying of old age, though only after they have lived exceedingly long lives.
>>282685927>and only one she left were the remnants able to form a new army under the Demon King? Is that really what lead to the demise of so many elves?The Age of Mythology is when the goddess walked the earth, and it was long before the great demon king rose to power, as well as long before the elves were wiped out.Also we know the origin of demons, or at least we have been told it. They were originally monsters that mimicked human speech in order to lure them closer (by calling out for help in the darkness and such). Over time they became more and more human-like to facilitate this predation.
>>282682311I dont know what did he expect
>>282686286>This is so retarded considering we've already seen the top strength demons and they all got destroyed.By top strength humans, elves, etc. And such strength is very rare.Also, demons themselves lost most of their population in the war. Solitar outright says as a species they were in danger of extinction by the time the demon king was slain.
>>282682664>organizationShe just hangs around and people flock to her, she barely manages or does anything.
>>282686725Well, the Spiegel might be. It was around since the age of myths, so it's prehistoric, like Serie.
>>282683230Wrong! This person is deceased.I cant find the original pic
>>282686707>Someone using clairvoyance has been killing off any mages in the association who get too powerful.That's not what was shown. Serie simply said mages use who use clairvoyance are likely to get killed. It didn't have anything to do with any mages becoming too powerful. If that were the case then the actual strongest mages in the organization, such as Lernen and Lineal, would be the ones killed.
>>282686892If its a species then that individual could be much younger than the one written about by Ewig.Even then, if I recall right the sky dragons have lifespans of many thousands of years. Depending on how long ago the era of mythology was, it could be well within a Spiegel's lifespan.
>>282686965For what it's worth they called it "a monster from the age of myths" and never seemed to suggest they'd ever encountered another. Not to mention, given how mana works, it being so old makes it pretty clear how it could easily make a perfect copy of Frieren with the same amount of mana as her as well as copying all the other mages at the same time.
>walrus is afraid of eisen>eisen is afraid of stark>walrus is afraid of lowewill lowe be afraid of stark?
>>282684536Wouldn't that also involve toppling the empire he claims to serve?
>>282682878Stark seems like a jobber at first until you realize that all those life-threatening wounds he takes are actually not a big deal to him.
>>282687417They talked about this a few chapters ago, the dangers of fanatics who felt that they alone understood what's best for their nation. Yes, the empire is the predominant magic using civilization on the continent thanks to Flamme. Clearly, Lowe doesn't approve of that and wants to change the empire altogether.
>>282687510What's really threatened Stark, twice now even, is poison. Eizen should have pounded some poison resistance into him.
>>282682878As long as it's not poison, he can pretty much tank anything.
>>282687541That and curses. He has no resistance to shit like being turned into gold.
>>282687541He already has some resistance, given the previous poisoning is noted to have been of a sort that would have killed a normal human in seconds.
>>282685774Demons and monsters are probably an ancient spell designed to adapt with permanent effect after the caster's death. The fact that they both have unique principle magic curses implies an artificial origin.If they were just random living things you would expect them to use the magic principles most common for the time. Instead for some reason both the intelligent and unintelligent have access to curse, which no one else understands.
>>282687862that would explain why the Demon King has seemingly respawned and the demons are starting to rally back into an organized legion again. Though, there is the alternative explanation which is that they're the native life forms of the afterlife, and the reason their castle is built on the gateway to the afterlife is because they're trying to stop human souls from migrating to their home dimension... and the demon kind and potentially all other demons just respawn back home and walk through the portal again. They might have no physical bodies because they're like the spirits of the dead, but they have power enough to manifest themselves and have physical effects on the world
we still don't know if elves can breed with humans
>>282682553Beside the fact that killing mage just make the empire defenseless against monster and demon. The shadow warrior just seem suicidal and they want to make it everyone problem
>>282687639I mean, no one has any resistance to Di Agolze, but yeah. Curse resistance is a priest thing though. So that's Sein's wheelhouse.>>282687862Not sure what you mean here, but the series strongly hints that magic just came from demons in the first place (the empire's pre-Flamme rejection of it and Flamme and Frieren's conversation about loving magic yet hating demons). Human magic, be it the pre-Flamme mumbo-jumbo variety, or Flamme's l"et's make magic into science so everyone can use it" variety, is just a knock off.
>>282688157>respawningIt would be hard to explain why no demons have mentioned that, even when talking amongst themselves or during internal monologue. They seem to treat death as final. I think they would need to lose their memories on respawn or something like that.
>>282687639But he has resistance to poison. Much more than normal people. Couple of chapters ago he showed this by getting hit and saving Frieren, while surviving a dose it would easily kill her.He's just isn't Eisen level of resistance, but I suspect no one is.
>>282683738The anime made fans uppity believing that this isn’t a shounen manga.
>>282688157>that would explain why the Demon King has seemingly respawned and the demons are starting to rally back into an organized legion again.Neither of those things have happened. At most you have local powerful demons managing to force weaker demons to serve them and form scattered forces. Demon activity increased when the demons found out Himmel was dead. This emboldened them, nothing more.>Though, there is the alternative explanation which is that they're the native life forms of the afterlife, and the reason their castle is built on the gateway to the afterlife is because they're trying to stop human souls from migrating to their home dimension... And why would they care about that? They eat humans, they have no interest in what happens to humans after they die.Also, as far as we know the demon king's castle is not built on top of heaven. It's just located in the same region.>and the demon kind and potentially all other demons just respawn back home and walk through the portal again. They might have no physical bodies because they're like the spirits of the dead, but they have power enough to manifest themselves and have physical effects on the worldAgain, zero indication of that. Also, they are physical beings. They have blood, organs, bones. This physical body undergoes some kind of shift upon death though, turning into mana. There is a concept in the series for magic that turns mana into physical structures. Perhaps monsters themselves are a form of this magic, but able to reproduce and not using a spell to exist.
>>282688831It went complete battle Shonen instead of adventure by the mage exam arc too.
>>282688838>Neither of those things have happened. At most you have local powerful demons managing to force weaker demons to serve them and form scattered forces. Demon activity increased when the demons found out Himmel was dead. This emboldened them, nothing more.Dude... don't even bother commenting if you aren't caught up with the manga
>>282682369Saying ouch when your arm gets cut off is too much emotion for frieren
>>282684516Stark is giga tank build.
How come there's only ONE good frieren doujin and it's with fucking Solitar
>>282688925I've read every chapter. The only large scale demon forces are the ones Wirbel has been fighting, and those are stated to simply be remnants. Nothing in the recent arcs has changed that.There is some grand plan for future demon prosperity, but no indications it involves the demon king or some grand organized legion.
>>282688831I was so confused by how social media MAL types perceived Frieren. They basically beg to be tricked by OPsYou can understand how these kind of retards but 20 years earlier got fooled into thinking Elfen Lied was high brow purely from a sad OP with anime Klimt
>warriors are the jobbers they saidapologize...
>>282689029In more detail, we have also heard of a few demon forces that human armies are clashing with, but these have been routed by the time our party passes through and there is no indication full on demon armies are involved. Aura's "forces" fought that city for decades and it was just her, a few subordinates, and her undead soldiers.
>>282684843Stark solely exists to job. He's not winning shit.
>>282689120>Stark solely exists to job.Aside from when he doesn't (i.e. saving Fern while poisoned).
>>282689169I hope he doesn't get knocked out or seriously injured in the upcoming battle. He needs to put up a real good fight to beat the jobber allegations.
>>282689029Every now and then I come across an individual who is so bafflingly braindead in his examination of a piece of media that it makes me wonder how he ever learned to breathe. You are that individual. The manga has been foreshadowing for about a hundred chapters that the war with the demons is anything but over. Again and again characters mention in confusion that the demons are putting up far more fight than they should be able to with the Demon King gone. If they were simply organizing into small warbands it would not be noteworthy, they were already scattered into small, disorganized units with the death of the Demon King. They were not a serious issue for the human kingdoms. The entire reason why they are now becoming a problem again is because they're suddenly acting with far more coordination than in the aftermath of the Hero's victory. Of course, we haven't been shown the new demon armies yet, because it's a slow burn as Frieren confronts the remnants of the previous demon empire before she realizes that there's a new one forming further North.You have been told, over and over again, that Frieren is the one destined to slay the Demon King, and that Himmel was not the chosen hero of prophecy. You probably assume that prophecies are bullshit even though we've seen heroes and demons who wield future sight that is nearly 100% accurate and Flamme, specifically, has never been proven wrong about anything she predicted. You probably assume that the gradual escalation of the stakes as the story has gone on is purely coincidence, symbolic of nothing in particular. You probably think this is just a slice of life fantasy story with action elements tacked on.Because you have a fucking peanut for a brain and all the foreshadowing and development of the story has completely passed you by, because you are one dumb-ass motherfucking speedreader to make the Flash look slow.
>>282682369Being a pure mage in Frieren's world has to be the dumbest thing ever. If you aren't a battlemage, almost any warrior of comparative skill will be able to no diff you.
>>282686725>Recall Frieren initially thought the best thing to do with Macht was to keep him sealed until he died of old ageWhich is a good hint to the fact the demon king was not a normal demon. He was far, far older than any other demon we know of. He was probably an elf.
>>282689364She had no idea how long it would take. She said it could even be a thousand years. Keep in mind that she knows very well that Macht was over 600 years old since it was 600 years ago that he handed her her ass. He was presumably already a great demon back then too, so Macht isn't young at all. The war raged for a thousand years so the demon king was older than that and had to be strong enough at that point to bring the other great demons to heel. But no, it doesn't sound out of bounds for the species at all.Also Kraft and his human bro had to have had their world saving adventure within the last 1500 years, so the demon king's time is after that.
>magicucks
>>282689571More like hand to hands now.
>>282683662fern sexuuuuu
>>282685927
>>282689554Anon, I have a question for you: how does Frieren know demons can die of old age? If the demon king was normal, it would mean they live for 2000+ years, older than Frieren herself. Statistically speaking nobody would ever see it happen.Remember Aura is considered to be an old demon at 500. Macht was the second strongest demon, and so appropriately is over 600. This is old enough that Frieren considered him dying of aging to be realistic. The demon king's age is absolutely bonkers in comparison. It takes centuries to gain enough mana to become a great demon. The king then maintained that status for over 1000 years. Unless the twist is that he was already dead of old age by the time the hero party got to him, he was not a normal demon.
>>282689258They obviously have different roles in battle. Mages and warriors aren't supposed to 1v1 eachother. Depending on situation it's always onesided: Mage can wipe like 10 warriors in one fell swoop from advantage point but a skilled warrior can kill the most skilled mage easily if they can get close. This balance was established from the start of the series.
>the Ubel and and Land gorilla unit getting roadblocked by the first people they meet>Personal bodyguard (meant to excel in combat lol) gets btfo before even being able to react>Decides Sense should be on cake duty>Can't do fucking shit to change her own fate so resorting to just begging the emperor for help>sit there and hope I get lucky stratShe is absolutely fucking useless
>>282681571Actual emotion? What the hell?
>>282682878Stark is very strong but he is slow to lock in unless his waifu gets injured or stuff like this. He doesn't go for the kill and prefer to tank in general.
>>282690275Cake duty's important, you knowThose things sneak up on you
>>282690358Maybe this is the arc where finally hones his fighter's attacking instincts
>>282688831shounen doesn't only mean battles.. What about...to-Love Ru Darkness? Ever thought of that? Heh. 'nuff said.
Starkchads, it's our time
>>282690683Holy.
>>282683662Fern was getting destroyed along with Stark. The curse saved her.As for her landing the decisive shot, that was only possible because Solitar was focused on Frieren.
>>282682408I'm hoping against hope that it will be revealed that Milliarde is still alive and has been trolling people for centuries.
>>282683662>>282690993These confrontations are won because of superiority of teamwork but both were ending because Frieren just flipped everything upside down in an instantIt was the one time Macht lost his composure, not to mention lost the physical ability to block Zoltraak with his gold pieces
>>282684896Not these guys wearing armor, not to mention the fat bitch missed Gazelle from close range.
>>282685652For all we know the sword could just be Milliarde trolling again.
so now that its confirmed that lowe is following someone elses orders, who is the actual real bad guy?
Please just don't kill Sense or Serie, I beg of you.I'll do anything. I'll even lick your author's armpit, tits or asshole. I'll even eat her shit and bark like a dog while getting pegged by her if that's what she wants.Just don't kill them.
>>282691262Is the author a grill? Heghh
>>282691255>so now that its confirmed that lowe is following someone elses ordersDescribing himself as a pawn doesn't confirm anything, he might just think the cause is bigger than him and willing to sacrifice himself for it
>>282691503ah yeah, you're probably right. fuck.
>>282690683The top score must have been Eisen.
>>282681560Dorf chapter!
>>282691069>the entire arc and the decline of the empire are all due to a plot Milliarde conjured out of boredom 1000 years ago
>>282682757Counterpoint:
>>282691747frieren a cutekill all elder scrolls elves tho
imagine a frieren scrolls game
>>282682369Yeah! Warriors!
>>282688935I high adrenaline situation people sometimes do not even notice they lost an arm or leg. Sheltered babies really know nothing about life.
Which girl would you fuck?
>>282691846>girlFuck off, faggot, it's a homo series.
>>282691846Best Girl and Best Elf right here >>282691069
>>282691846Serie, Methode, Sense.
>>282681815>everyone knows elves live for millenia even though there's only like 3 in existence, and only one of them is a public figure>no one can figure out dwarves are sturdy by nature, not even the dwarves themselves who think it's just a "warrior thing"
>>282682369Pathetic.
>>282691824These people are used to seeing people comically scream out and over act in fiction so an actual realistic depiction seems off to them
>>282691846Frieren, Fern, Frieren, Ubel, Ubel, Ubel, Serie, Frieren in that order
>>282682048Somebody tell him...
>>282691846Ubel, Fern, Kanone, Methode
>>282682048
>>282682369probably the arm will be used for some magic decoy.
slice of shonen when?
>>282691846Ubel, Methode, Frieren, Fern, Laufen
>>282692378Both the Exam and the Goddess Monument had ESoL in them thoughevermorenonethelessso.
sex with elves
So by making the dwarf Eisen’s friend it GUARANTEES he’ll be matched up with Stark, AND the fight will deescalate and end in a peace agreement (after Stark wins but mentions the dwarf would have won if he was serious). I guess demons really do need to be the antagonist force in this manga but evidently non-demons won’t fight one another seriously.
>>282692674stark + sein vs walros + gorilla is going to be hype
The fight ends with Serie getting bred by gorilla
>>282692619easier said than done.
>>282692674Frieren is a "humanity fuck yeah" series, in particular it preaches that humans can and should live in peace.
>>282692780why she fat
>>282684843>If the author makes him fight Stark and lose, he is truly a hack.Th dwarves are not actually immortal. If he loses to Stark's master, that means he aged the same way and is no longer at his prime. He might be faster than Stark but that doesn't mean Stark can't tank the hits. He just has the advantage of being faster than a mage which isn't actually that impressive. Mages are too slow in general. He already detected the mage earlier so it was easy. It proved nothing but the fact that warriors in attack range wins against mages.
>>282692856Stark was defeated by the old man assassin twice even though he had a surprise attack advantage once. Would it make sense for Radaal in his old age to be better than a guy that used to be the second best warrior in his his old age?
>>282688341>Not sure what you mean here, but the series strongly hints that magic just came from demons in the first placeIt is very obvious in Japanese. "Ma Ho" is literally Demon Power. This is when Western magic was imported via culturally via portrayals of witches and warlocks. So when you mention western magic you directly assume demons power them. That is the same logic for why in Madoka, Witches are just older Magical Girls. The dark side is assumed. Hence why there was dialogue of "why did you love magic even though you hate demons?" , with the ASSUMED idea that magic is demonic to begin with.
>>282692780she can do the dishes and throw the trash withot raising from her chair, anyone would get fat.
>>282692920but where does she poo
>>282690275Wow, it's almost like the "bigger hammer" girl accepting sometimes different approaches to problems are better is her character arc.
>>282692890>Stark was defeated by the old man assassin twiceIrrelevant to the current situation
>>282681571Solid Dwarf?
>>282692931elven girls don't poop
>>282692952It's relevant in that it shows the level of skill difference.
>>282692941>her character arc.She's exclusively used either as a plot device that gets completely forgotten about for 50 chapters a time or to get turbo mogged by superior magic ideology. She doesn't have a character arc.
>>282692955
>>282692969>muh power scaling means Stark won't be fighting Eisen's old warrior friend who taught him about fear being a good thing and also fought against the demon who destroyed Starks hometownSee you next week
>>282692920Man, I forget that Serie is attractive
>>282693008You're missing the point. It's not that they won't fight, it's that the execution o the fight will most likely be pure hackery.
>>282692983Imagine being this retarded. Her accepting different philosophy is better is exactly her character arc.
>>282689833Aura is old for a demon at 500 because most demons don't live long enough to become great demons in the first place. They are a violent species that lives violent lives and die violent deaths. The demon king was indeed extremely old. Linie went from child to teenager in 80 years. Lugner was already an adult 80 years ago and was no great demon. You can staple a few hundred years to Macht's 600+, and then consider that Frieren thinks it could take a thousand more. That's far older than the war and lines up with the demon king.Frieren notes both Qual and Macht having less mana than her, suggesting they are likely younger than her. Frieren is over a thousand, but less than two thousand. Frieren notes that there's no real difference in her mana vs Solitar's, but that doesn't mean Solitar is quite as old as Frieren as mana levels do differ between species and between individuals of those species. Nevertheless, with length of time building it up as the primary factor, Solitar is old. And good old Rivalle disagrees and thinks she's young while babbling about himself as an old man.There's a real possibility Rivalle was around for the start of the war.
>>282693078She is a side character of side characters and this manga has never focussed on her character. She is simply a plot device, nothing more.Compare her role in this arc (completely absent in the first 14 chapters) to Denken's in Golden Lands, who actually got a character arc, like night and day
>>282692896Yeah,Mazoku (demons) = demon/wicked spirit tribe/raceMamono (monsters) = demonic/magical beingMahou (magic) = demonic rule/techniqueMaryoku (mana) = demonic force/powerMahou Tsukai (mage) = demonic rule/technique userand we get one odd oneAkuma (demon, specifically used for the Spiegel and nothing else) = evil demon
>>282693191if mana is demonic then why are all humans born with it
This retard can't write battle shounen to save his life. Should stick to SoL with occasional action scenes.
>>282692780I feel like someone walking right up to her is at least grounds for a pass or a maybe, never mind whipping your dick out.
>>282693312It's just literal translations. As >>282692896points out, it's fundamentally an imported term that carries a negative connotation.
>>282693320Don't be so negative anon. The harsh language you use against others is often honed on oneself first.
>>282692277Bullshit he's unbothered as fuck over losing an arm. That kind of reaction only make sense if you can regenerate.
>>282692277Stop running defense for retarded writing choices in place of authors. Non-existent facial expressions have been meme'd to hell and back since the manga's inception. It's nothing to do with "realism".
>>282692969Radaal specifically said his advantage came from Stark letting him get too close before readying his weapon. Different situations could go differently, he outright said Stark's level of experience was already threatening to him.
>>282693541He's Asian. That happens all the time in their culture.
>>282693658There is no excuse or cope good enough to explain a potential Stark victory against a living legend. We can only hope it doesn't come to that. Stark's been over fucking classed in the story for a good while now.
>>282681861I sense a scene incoming where Stark will do something amazing during combat and either Gorilla or the dwarf will be dazzled, to which Stark will reply "What are you talking about? This is normal for a warrior." since his own frame of reference is so skewed.
>>282693781Stark after impregnating an elf in one shot
>>282689249I'd thank you for taking the time to explain yourself were it not so peppered with insults, but whatever.>The manga has been foreshadowing for about a hundred chapters that the war with the demons is anything but over. Again and again characters mention in confusion that the demons are putting up far more fight than they should be able to with the Demon King gone.When was this ever said? There is talk of demons becoming a issue again after Himmel's death, but nothing about it being surprising that they are this or that their level of organization is unusual.>If they were simply organizing into small warbands it would not be noteworthy, they were already scattered into small, disorganized units with the death of the Demon King.Given even an average demon is superhuman compared to an average human, I would say even a few of them semi-cooperating are very much an issue. Also, we know they are not particularly organized even in the best of situations. Solitar outright opted not to fight directly alongside Macht because she knew demons simply do not cooperate as well as humans do.>They were not a serious issue for the human kingdoms. And even now they generally are not. They're a threat to villages, certain fortress cities, etc. >You have been told, over and over again, that Frieren is the one destined to slay the Demon King, and that Himmel was not the chosen hero of prophecy. And Frieren being part of the party who killed the demon king would not fulfill Flamme's belief that she would one day accomplish this?Also, Frieren is never referred to as destined to do it. Flamme was expressing her hopes when she told Serie that Frieren would one day defeat him. With Frieren herself she simply said Frieren "may" one day become strong enough to do it, and gave her counsel on how to live long enough to do it.
>>282689571Guess he got disarmed.
>>282693843One other thing, doesn't Solitar's perspective on things throw a wrench into the "demons are becoming an empire again" idea? She refers to demons as having become an endangered species due to the war, and believes they are very much still in danger of going extinct (she initially plans to kill Macht because she believes his actions are threatening what remains of their species).
>>282693363she's disappointed by the quantity, not the quality.
>>282693886Yes, there is literally nothing to suggest that demon are on the rise again in any shape or form. You are discussing against headcanons which is rampart in this manga's readerbase for some reason. There are a lot of people just inserting explanations that simply isn't there in order to defend some retarded writing choices. I'm sure even the author would be baffled if he had seen some of these.
>>282682156It's pretty obvious the editor stepped in at around the Mage Exam arc when the manga took a sharp turn in direction.
>>282693777>There is no excuse or cope good enough to explain a potential Stark victory against a living legend. We can only hope it doesn't come to that. Stark's been over fucking classed in the story for a good while now.We need to stop treating Stark like a child. Just as Frieren trusted Fern in combat and treat HER like an adult. Humans clearly have advantages that are not fully explored. Stark would not have been struck in terror by his master if his master didn't realise that the human "child" had already surpassed him in some way. Humans just have unexplored potential that was hard to identify due to short lifespans.Just as Fern is casting Zoltrack faster than Frieren, Stark must have talents of his own that just haven't been explored because he was being compared to the dps mages he lives with.
>>282694084There is a difference between trusting your pupil against a similar opponent and throwing them into a pit against a juggernaut with zero build up. Stark, as he is shown through out the story so far, doesn't deserve a victory against someone like this who is greater both in strength AND experience. Anything else will be rightfully called an asspull no matter how much you try to cope.
>>282682048>into shounen..You should have said "powerlevel slop battle shounen". As a result, people are being disingenuous and going for the low hanging fruit with "BUT IT WAS ALWAYS A SHOUNEN" defense.
>>282694084>Just as Fern is casting Zoltrack faster than FrierenSame Fren got splattered to a wall like a bug by a serious Frieren as well. As she should.
>>282682369>jobslmao, such much for his expertise.
>>282694287he's probably only good against mid and low level warriors, not the 0.1% strongest warriors on the planet
>>282694325>he is good against warriors>NO NOT THAT KIND OF WARRIORS REEEEEStop defending shit writing.
>>282694341you cant be good at everything. thats actual shit tier writing, aka solo leveling.
>>282694368You don't make this >>282694287 sort of declaration then make your character get BTFO immediately. That is the shit writing part. That means you can't take anything any character says seriously if those words don't hold ANY ground for even a couple of chapters.
>>282694341So someone who is good at close combat should excel against any warrior no matter how experienced or powerful? The dwarf has been hyped up as extremely powerful from the start, and Falsch was not trying to fight here but escape.
>>282694455>and Falsch was not trying to fight here but escape.And he couldn't even manage to do that. So proficient.
>>282694168>Stark, as he is shown through out the story so far, doesn't deserve a victory against someone like this who is greater both in strength AND experience.By that argument the dwarf should keep winning forever.You don't get to win forever. Someone younger and less experienced is going to bring you down eventually, it doesn't matter how "unfair" you feel it is. Stark is a rising star just like Fern, he deserves to be treated seriously.
>>282694455he wasnt trying to run he was going to summon frieren's panties for one last sniff
>>282694474>By that argument the dwarf should keep winning forever.Yes? He doesn't look like he is at the death's door or anything just yet. Sure, he can lose. But not against someone like Stark and most certainly not right now. Stop trying to fill narrative potholes with your wishful thinking.
>>282694549Most likely, unless they are somehow forced into one-on-one fights, his defeat will be a team effort to one degree or another.
>>282682231is Löwe hiding a Sharingan
>>282694717At this point, i wouldn't be surprised
>>282694549>But not against someone like Stark and most certainly not right now.And you based this on... What? Neither Fern nor Frierren really understands how Warriors work, it isn't their wheelhouse so they are not going to be able to judge Stark's level between warriors. We know plenty of mages and how they compare with each other, but Stark barely had one warrior battle and he ended up winning when he realised his opponent can't actually make a dent in his HP. Remember that he beat the demon with the assumption that they will kill each other, but she failed to hurt him at all when he was leaving himself open. And of course there was that dragon that he killed ON ACCIDENT.I dare say the story to this point never gave Stark a chance to show that he is truly ready to be a hero. He is "behaving" like a weaker character than he actually is. And that might end up surprise his opponents.
>>282682405Congrats on creating an image that people will be using forever.
>>282694819>And you based this on... What?>but Stark barely had one warrior battle>the story to this point never gave Stark a chance to show that he is truly ready to be a hero>He is "behaving" like a weaker character than he actually isDo you even read what you yourself write? What do YOU based on this completely baseless faith of yours?Also Stark's entire shtick has been tanking hits and getting back up (then completely collapsing after the fight is over). Are you saying he will be able to tank this one's hits as well?
The chapter felt a bit like Jobception - The Manga, where everyone is propping or setting up someone else. We have Falsch, 1st class mage, schooled in countering warriors, getting styled on by Wehrlos. Wehrlos, who's declared to be a "monster" due to his prowess, is afraid of Loewe's powerlevel. Additionally he glazes Eisen as the best warrior he's ever known, who in turn was afraid of how powerful Stark can be. It was a nice chapter, but mostly just setup for future hype.
>>282694978Eisen mogs Wehrlos. Wehrlos mogs Stark. Stark mogs EisenWe already established fights in Frieren are rock-paper-scissors
>>282682405the continental fraud association
>>282695038Only thing that's been established at this point is that author sucks at character's relative powers to each other and should stay away from it for the foreseeable future after this shit arc is over.
>>282693059Sometimes I forget she has fat tits
>>282692674>Stark>winningyou should know by now that Stark is the author's beloved punching bag (perpetual suffering-builds-character archetype)
chapters bi-weekely until the end of the arc? that would be neat
>>282695798wish we'd get back to weekly chapters
It’s nice that we’re finally seeing human antagonists — BUT I’m really concerned that the SW will end up being red herrings, none o them will die / be fought seriously by Frieren’s group, and it’ll either be demons ONCE AGAIN, or it’ll resolve peacefully.Because look it started to get sort o cartoonish that in this big politically complex world in which the Demon King has been dead and his army defunct for nearly a century that demons STILL have to completely carry the antagonist role. It’s ESPECIALLY bad because even elite demons are no match for the literal kids in Frieren’s party, let alone Frieren herself so the plot had to keep finding Greater Demons to fight for there to be any kind of tension. It even restored to TIME TRAVEL to ind powerful demons to fight. Can none of these super great modern human mages be a villain?
>>282692896Demons in Frieren (and all Isekai) are “Mazoku”, lit “evil cgroup”. As you point out, the term used for “magic” is “mahou” lit “evil law / system”, ie, the law that’s against the natural order. That is the actual meaning behind dialogue about how in ancient times magic was considered a demon-only thing and about how one can love magic but hate demons.THAT is why I think the current arc about Serie’s death is being run by a Goddess faction and Kraft is involved. Why? They think evil power has flooded the world via the massive proliferation and development of magic, because magic being evil is inherently baked into the language, like if we translated mahou into “witchcraft”. Non apanese-speaking fans will not understand this point. This Goddess-worshipping faction is trying to save the world / humanity from ruin. Maybe the the demons’ master plan for demons thriving in the future is, to use the Fairy Tail term “great magic world” (dai mahou sekai), which, in that manga, has a very negative connotation and something only evil characters want to achieve. The great magic world sounds like a great time in the context of Frieren, but THAT’S because the narrative likes to play with the standard isekai tropes and non-Japanese fans have no idea what is actually being represented.
The Goddess of Creation was a demon
>>282681560So the person who's going to kill Serie is 100% Ubels sister, right? She's apparently got the same type of magic as Ubel, and Ubel is searching for her since she disappeared. It would make the most sense.
>>282696530Not sure where you got the idea that Ubel's sister is even a mage, since nothing suggested it. Hell, the implication is very much that she's dead, given Ubel's spell request.
>>282684516didn't frieren say Stark can blitz her? She has way better sensory feats than Falsch. Plus I think this panel is already hinting at the idea that stark is > guards
frieren's bitchass has lived for over a thousand years but still cant throw a punch to save her life. no wonder she's a failure in serie's eyes. bitch needs to work on her STR and DEX instead of just INT.
>>282697339serie has probably lived for over 10,000 yearswhat is her excuse
>>282694819That's quite an exaggeration. That demon did hurt him, a inch or two deep cut in your side isn't nothing, it just wasn't enough to kill or disable him.And for the dragon, you make it sound like he wasn't trying. He attacked the dragon with all his strength, he just didn't expect to be enough to kill the dragon.I like Stark and believe in his potential, but let's not overstate things.
>>282697361she probably can since she's trained for war
anyone else think the flashback to rivale wasnt just a coincidence? that we might actually see demons being involved in this arc?
In regards to Fern, I don’t hate her I’m just bored by her. Astounding once in a millennia genius teenage girl (random orphan) — yawn, miss me with that.But, it’s a baseline isekai trope, the power fantasy of visually / supposed underdog is actually overwhelmingly strong and smashes the arrogant antagonists who are left in pure shock and seethe that some nobody just obliterated them.
>>282697293yeah, Frieren says that within a certain range (a few meters), a warrior can just blitz a mage faster than they can get off any spell.What's funny is that during goddess monument, Frieren detected Rivalle "far away" according to her magic detection and then he was on the party faster than she could react. Talk about blitzing. Given Frieren's mana detection range that's way beyond what Frieren was talking about. Rivalle's speed is ridiculous.
>>282697439It probably not a coincidence (he's a hero from the great war, of course he faced some famous demons) but all it likely means is to show us the dwarf is strong enough to have survived a fight with Rivale.
>>282697507I don't think you can call Fern an underdog when deceiving her opponents about her strength is part of her strategy to give her an added advantage. Not to mention how she gets overwhelmed, matched or shown up just as often as the reverse.
why doesn't serie just use a spell to make herself intangible
>>282694207>you should have used more buzzwordsbased newfriend
>>282697526Rivale didn't just blitz Frieren but also Himmel whose reaction time mogs Stark's. He's a monster like no other.
>>282697644Like resurrection magic, it may simply not exist or be possible.
>>282697642Yes, using the skill that takes 200 years to learn. Casts Frieren’s signature spell faster than Frieren. MOGS an elite demon, clowns on everyone who isn’t amongst the top 10 of the very strongest and can participate even in those battles (just not solo them). Surpassed Serie’s own prodigal student who had studied under her for most of his life until he became an old man, shocking Serie so much she tried to poach Fern on the SPOT. Teenage girl with about 8-10 years of magic experience (random orphan).Miss. Me.
>>282697839>Surpassed Serie’s own prodigal student [in one skill]
>>282697526I don't think any mage vs warrior is even possible to win without extensive prep, an average shadow warrior almost rekt the entire party. I wonder how hero vs warrior works, there's probably a lot of overlap there just like mage/priest. It's why Genau is impressive to me, although he is an embarrassing chunni About Rivalle, I think demons are generally all-rounders, their physical stats allow them to preform well in any role, not to mention their magic tends to be passive, I.E working at all times.
>>282697932frieren has obviously spent this whole time going over her battles with the shadow warriors. she'll beat them just like any other magic she studied and overcame.
>>282697644because Serie only exists to job and make Frieren look better
>>282697839Yeah that's what humans are, your point? the potential and peaks are higher due to the short peak of the species.Around 20 years of performance after the first 10 years of growing then it goes down.
>>282682369https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4RgvoF-WY
>>282697839Serie states without innate talent for it, it takes centuries to suppress mana well enough to fool a demon. Fern simply has that talent for that particular ability, and even then she can't fool high rank demons yet.As for her speed with Zoltraak, that is stated to be due to it being a relatively new spell as much as to Fern's talent. Macht had the same issue reacting to Zoltraak from Denken.
>>282697932On that note, we've no idea if Radaal was an average Shadow Warrior or not. If nothing else he had a lifetime of training and experience.
Black Knight Dwarf is actually such a fucking good design holyI should find a way to steal it for a D&D campaign without people noticing
>>282694168Stark doesn't win but manages to stop him long enough to stop his plan or shock him or do a cool parry idk
serie is going to spare lowe so he'll have to live the rest of his days knowing that he failed
>>282688947>human>tankingdoesn't work, really.no human in this series has tanked well.even mages with their magic armor.eisen is so retarded for making stark a tank.offence is the best defence.
>>282698271The design is pretty fire, like something out of WoW but played straight. Can’t wait to see him in action with his cloak and beard flying.
>>282695865biweekly > hiatuses
>>282690275she can probably disintegrate people
The CMA is a money laundering operation
>>282700273Upper panel needs a thought bubble for Falsch saying "Stop claiming that shit, bitch. You're gonna get me killed".
>>282699608We have both.
>>282682369> arm gets cut off> still the only emotion shown is the faggot being smug> next chapter will start with this faggot monologuing about already expecting his arm getting looped offim tired
bump
>>282698271The illustrator is pretty talent at character designing.She doesn't know how to draw dynamic battles though.
>>282703075Or facial expressions. The average Frieren character cannot express beyond mild discomfort.
>>282701508Or is a clue about his magic. But 30 years of wanpiss fried your brain.
>>282701508>>282703243Pain does not exist in the Frieren universe. Him being smugfaced after receiving a critical wound means literally nothing.
Since when warriors are able to fucking teleport
>>282703243I don't mind this because IRL battles don't have those exagerated shounen screams.
>>282683572>>282683612He's right. Take a break and read HxH's succession arc in the meantime.
>>282703288Since Himmel.
>>282703291Real life people also experience pain. They don't get impaled through the stomach and shrug it off with a bored expression.
I think the problem comes from the artist being a woman. She has no idea how fighting is like, so she can't imagine the pain it involves. Therefore it doesn't exist.
>>282682369BAKANA
>>282703556Even IRL people getting shot don't scream and cry like shounen characters.Do you see MMA fighters screaming everytime they get hit?And finally, adrenaline makes you forget the pain at the heat of the moment.In this regard, Frieren is more realistic than your average battle shounen.
>>282703861It's not even about screaming and crying, there's very little subtle emotion either. No look of pain on their faces, no anger, shock, determination, nervousness, etc. It's all just the same blank expression.
>>282682405bleak
>>282704023You fool, don't you remember all the panels of people being mildly smug/annoyed? That clearly disproves your point!
>>282704023I actually prefer this over overly exaggerated shounen expressions.My problem with the illustrator is the lack of dynamic scenes.
>>282704071I don't really see how you can prefer it. Yes it's more realistic than constantly having exaggerated expressions for every little thing. But this is course correcting too much in the opposite direction. If you took a screenshot of a frieren character's face during various parts of the manga and you didn't include the rest of the panel it would be challenging to determine which scenes were SoL or life and death battles
It also leads to comical outcomes like Aura (the uncaring demon) being the most emotive person in the entire manga. Demons consistently show more emotions than the main cast do. This leads to other comical outcomes such as demons caring more about the future of their species than elves do.
>>282704112>I don't really see how you can prefer it.Cause, let's be frank, it's annoying.Not all of them though, I actually think some authors like Gege are competent in this regard, but there are shounens that are simply unwatchable.My brain processes these exaggerated expressions in shounen the same way as when I see, I don't know, some overly dramatic telenovela or an indian production theme. It's cringe.
Do you prefer Frieren as a dominant or submissive in bed?
>character's arm gets cut>flails and screams for 15 minutes before dying to loss of blood
>>282695107Excepted he doesn't? It's pretty clear who are the strongest. Some characters lack feats, that's all.
>people think Stark's big fight is against the dwarfReally? It sounds like it should be against Lowe. Both Stark and Lowe both scared their dwarf predecessors. I thought that connection was immediately obvious.
>>282705802Stark's powerlevel is impossible to judge. One second he's stated to be world's strongest, next he's on par with a battlemage, next he jobs to a guy with a knife.
Dorf won't instantgib Stark because of their connection to Eisen. Thus Stark will be put in a situation similar to the one where he caused Eisen to fear him, just more deathly. This will result in him fully unleashing whatever made Eisen afraid, and take out the dorf.
>>282706311The guy with a knife had a high level in rogue/assassin. Stark is a warrior, he wins in terms of strength but rogue was a different skillset.
>>282703861>he didn't watch liveleaks of people dying in the 2010'slurk moar newfag.
>>282691077>>282690993she won. goalpost moved, you have. next b8.
>>282688157>that would explain why the Demon King has seemingly respawned and the demons are starting to rally back into an organized legion again.chatgpt bots making shit up again.
>>282682369Why is everyone so autistic in this manga?
>>282697932>an average shadow warrior almost rekt the entire partyThat was the worst moment of jobbing in the entire series. The newer shadow warriors aren't impressive.
Is this another episode of humans are the real demon?
>>282707881No, demons are still the worst thing ever, probably
>>282707854oldman SW was literally Wang >>>/vr/. he's the best!
>>282707881>>282707916humans didn't genocide the elves or the humans. demons did it. the mahou empire itself probably saved mankind in this world.
>>282707947The demon king will be revealed to be an elf, so it will circle back to humanity being bad.
>>282704182Because open expressions of happiness = maniacal frenzied emoting in this manga’s art lexicon.
So did gorilla just flat out get brainwashed on his journey or just demoralized?
>>282704182>comical outcomes like Aura [from the species evolved to show emotions] [showing emotions]bruh...
>>282704556Dominant with futa spell
>>282707881No, this manga actually plays the isekai tropes straight, just with a little bit of deconstruction. So while demons (Mazoku, not demons in the Western sense) don’t have feelings of malice / a desire to cause harm (because they’re NPCs who kill because they’re scripted to and they themselves don’t know why they do it) while humans do, this manga is not that dark. Humans are the force of good and order, and even though humans may get into fights it’ll never be that serious as this arc will surely illustrate. Demons have been carrying the antagonist role the entire manga so far.
Also, I’ll say it again: there’s a strong chance of demons showing up this arc. Stakes seem too high for a 1st Class exam situation this time, and humans / elves / dwarves won’t seriously kill each other. Once again demons are going to be tapped to provide antagonists which may be killed and give Frieren’s party something to actually do instead of just friendly matches with SWs.
>>282708118Demons are defined by their lack of emotions. This is contradicted consistently, with them being highly emotional and capable of friendship and comradery. The difference between them and humans is that demons are allowed to be evil and are killed for it.
>>282688947>>282682048>>>282683227>Stark doing anything usefulyou guys can't be serious...
>>282708514You're retarded.
>>282707326ESL speedreader being retarded again
I can't wait to see Staark do nothing again.
>>282708552>Stark doing anything useful>Posts a page of Stark being afraid a chapter before he was usefulWhy are Stark "does nothing" complainers so retarded?
>>282708557Qual tried to avenge the death of the demon king. Macht stated Qual was his friend. The great demons in the time travel arc all considered each other friends. They even worked together to ensure demonkind has a future. Solitar made a promise to Himmel and then kept it. This shows negotiation between demons and humans is possible.This is clearly not intended by the writer, but this is what the story actually portrays. Peace between demons and humans is absolutely possible.
>>282692565>I use thoughevermorenonethelessso at the end of my sentences
>>282708753You're retarded.
>>282708557He’s right. Practically everything we’re told about demons is frequently contradicted by their depictions. The characters are no reliable narrators for one reason or another (ie, Frieren is simply justifying her racism, Solitar is trying to it the question into a framework she understands, etc). We know that demons do not feel malice because of Macht and his bracelet. Macht also proves that they can make friends. Happiness and fear. Introspection. Even empathy to some degree. They just the deeper human empathetic circuitry that makes human civilization what it is. For example, you won’t kill the person in front of you under normal circumstances. You might trade the life of some stranger in Africa for $100, but you wouldn’t if they were standing in front of you. That’s the part demons don’t have. So even if they like and trust you, they’ll still kill you if it suites them. They’re the JRPG enemy race with the parts removed that get in the way of attacking people on sight.
>>282685973He's not being mean, at least not intentionally. He relates to Wehrlos because he was who Gorilla wanted to become, but he found out that even someone as amazing as him ended up forgotten by the people.
>>282708977>>282708118
>>282708993>Serie's face right now
>>282708753It’s not only possible, it’s probably already happening outside of narrative focus. Just like Macht made connections in a human city for most of the people’s lives there he was a fixture of the leading strata, there are probably a growing number of demons who have found places in the underground societies of human areas who are learning how to survive and operate as a part of the criminal class operating at various levels of society. Most demons aren’t great demons like Macht who can wipe out cities on a whim, they need to play by the rules or die. Maybe we’ll even see that in this arc if the SWs bring in demons.
These releases are so short that you'd probably need at combine 10 of them to make just one anime episode.
>>282709089Yes the released are awfully short and they ruin the shit out of the pacing when following on release.
>>282683018Yeah... A fucking hypocrite.We know Lowe is this OH SO SUPER FEARSOME WARRIOR from the southlands. Much like the stupidly named Hero of the south. Which means that he must also possess the divine precognition gift. Thus, he is already setting up the perfect scenario for Serie's death in relation to her own visions which arent as perfect.Its obvious they are gonna try to set this up as some idiotic 'I CAN SEE THE FUTUUUUURREEE! MAGIC WILL DESTROY THE PLANET SO I HAVE TO KILL MAGIC!' deal.
>>282691361Iirc the author's a guy and the artist's a girl
>>282694076Bro, by chapter 3 we had the characters discussing power levels in front of an enemy before finishing him up in one blow, that's Kurumada and Buronson level of shounen of the early 80s.
>>282682369Stark will beat him.
>>282709089The chapters are 18 pages every single time. The first season averaged 2.1 chapters per ep. ch 1 and 2 were longer than usual though.
>>282710648There just isn't much happening.How many minutes in the show do you think this chapter would take?
>>282682369It's over
>>282709089this was a weekly manga until the author got confident it wouldn't be axed, so now it's barely biweekly
TALL EISEN
>>282710724with the current pacing, they definitely can go for 4 chapters per episode
>>282712364Are we getting a new mini episode in the start of this month like the last previous ones?
Reminder that only 3 days have passed in the last 20 chapters
>>282712576Should be another one within the next week
>>282712609what does this mean?
>>282709083>It’s not only possible, it’s probably already happeningYes.They run banks and newspapers.
>>282712609They're neutral expressions
>>282691262>>282691361>Is the author a grill?Writer is male, artist is femaleHe does the story and all the dialogue. She draws it and adds her own bits of reaction text like whenever Frieren goes 'heh heh' or whateverYou can watch her draw some Frieren art here https://youtu.be/dUEORbyfwTY?si=Sz5xmiNZdysTEUrQ
>>282712609Serie is fucking scary.
>>282712609Top right and top left aren't smug, Sein isn't bored, Stark is alert and attentive, maybe a little worried, and you're stupid and autistic.>>282712939Scary hot.
>>282704556Submissive with futa spell
>>282712735Very unlikely because they don’t have any concept of family.
I will give Solitar a concept of family
>>282709083Fern is half demon
>>282713861The only characters with purple hair are demons and Fern
when Freelen casts boom boom spell in the demon face
>>282682405Missed one
>>282713831They dont need that due to their lifespan.Just change your skin.
>>282682369How is this related to the demon subplot a few arcs ago
Is Serie a virgin?
>>282714284She doesn't have children so yes
>>282714284unlikely
>>282714284Reasonably likely.
>>282714284Chad of the South tapped that.
>>282713887She also has the natural ability to control her mana, just like demons do.
Frieren world domination
>>282712893>Writer is male, artist is femalethen the man should help MAAAADHOUSE(or mappa) with the anime QC.while the woman can just wing it with SOL chapters until the next season anime is being aired.
>>282712609yellow is NTR smile.
The pacing is insane, 90% exposition for the last three chapters
>>282714284No
>>282712893>10:05i can't believe frieren was initially black
>>282712893Do we know who designs the characters for the manga? The writer used to draw his own manga before, so he might have had a hand in it instead of leaving it to the artist.
>>282714284Serie has been around humans for too long, even if she doesn't feel much sexual desire; she certainly would fall to curiosity.
>>282716000Don't know who does the designs, but guessing the author.This is his Frieren and Fern
>>282716548
>>282716646
>>282716548Huh, his Fern has quite a rack.
>>282716646explain
>>282716751What's to explain
Seen any elves?Hahaha
It would be nice if Stark had sex with warrior girls.
>>282718297
I feel like this chapter could've been 2 pages and then directly gone on to the next bit. I don't care about gorilla or the old forgotten hero or falsch. I have as much emotion toward this chapter as falsch does for losing his arm. This seems like the mangaka is stalling to figure out what to do with the current plot and the overarching plot of the story after this arc concludes.
>tfw simps for Frieren for a decade, only for her to abandon you for half a century.
>>282718597It was the same with the previous chapter the continuation of Serie's dream thing. It just repeated alot of the previous chapter, added very little and was 3 pages shorter than normal. Could easily have been done in a single chapter.With the next chapter being the last one to fill vol15 the writer might be padding things out because he has some big moment to cliffhanger or draw people into buying the following vol., but the pacing sucks as a result
if this is expected to be the most hype moment of season 2, then what will be the most hype of season 3 (that we've seen)?
If I was Stark I would plow Fern's fat ass
>>282721020O MY AILING MOTHER
>>282721020Everything from the moment they bring Frieren out of the hyperbolic memory chamber to the end of the arc is hype They will spend half the seasons animation budget on Frieren casting her curse reversal nuke on Weise
If I was Stark I would have stayed at the village as a hero and plowed the village girls
yall see the new sora 2? anime is fucking kill. aint nobody drawing that shit anymore. season 3 is going to be made completely by AI.
So isnt demonkind all about mana wanking each other and they form their hierarchies through how big their mana is? Does Rivalle have big mana then? But he's a warrior demon?
>>282721485
>>282723063Fern leading Stark to the bone zone.
i hope Frieren's sick mom gets better one day
>>282723175shes just thinking about the 3 dozen donuts he's bribing her with
>>282722683I think demons lump warriors and mages together because warriors still use magic to an extent. Linie uses magic to mimic fighting styles + make weapons. The naga demon was also using magic on his own weapons. And Rivale obviously has to have big mana to make weapons that can withstand his own strength.
>>282723781Warrior demons seem uncommon, which raises the question, what did the Demon King fill out his melee ranks with? Stark and Eisen must have been busy with SOMETHING during those battles. Did they rely on other monsters to fill out their melee? Or was being a tank / warrior like a rite of passage or young demons who haven’t developed their magic yet? Frieren did mention that the current generation of demons are trash compared to the time of the Demon King, it could that is why, ie, to make it as a full fledged demon you first had to grow up getting into physical battles on the frontlines which taught them battle senses / instincts.
If Stark can't stack at least 6 donuts on it, Fern isn't interested
tfw no frieren wedding dress scene animated for another 5 years.>>282724457On his dick?
>>282724533on frieren's
>>282724457A donut hole is way too small to begin with
>>282724533i think we are actually going to get goddess monument as a movie
>>282724586not for stark
>>282724672Please no. That would mean a whole ass year wait after release until I can actually download and watch it
>>282724731just like waiting for any other season of a show
If I was Stark I would ask Frieren to pamper and mother me, bonus points if she has a spell that can turn me back into a shota.
What is the episode title for S02E01 going to be?このパーティーの前衛 ?
>>282724013I don't think they're that uncommon since there's a name for them: shogun or generals. Rivale also refers to himself as the strongest warrior of demonkind which implies there are a decent number of them around. It's just weird from a meta perspective with all the recent warrior-wanking since it's getting hard to imagine how warrior demons presumably stronger than the shadow warriors wouldn't murder 99.99% of humanity just by speed mogging them.
>>282724943Magic Nullifying Crystal
Does Frieren have a spell for producing 500 cigarettes?
>>282725450The Great Mage Flamme loved hacking a butt after slaying demons.
>>282724943>>282725332I can't fucking wait bros...
>>282725332>>282724943"Why I Set Out on This Journey" makes more sense.
>>282724672Stuff before GM is too short too long for one core and too short for two. Animating up until the end of GM is the most obvious choice.
>>282725332How far does s2 get?
>>282727359Most likely it ends at either chapter 119 or 120, but nothing's official.
even after being shortlived and dead
>>282712609Stark looks surprised.>>282722683>>282723781All demons use magic. Interestingly, all warrior demons seem to be able to generate weapons innately, but that's not their magic. Linie had her copy magic, blindfold demon generated whirlwinds with her sword swings, Revolte could freely adjust the weights of his weapons at will, and we don't know what kind of magic Rivale has yet.>>282724013They don't seem that uncommon. We saw Macht kill one warrior general and he seemed to have a bunch of warrior troops with him.
>>282727359>>2827274141st ep is apparently standard length, and the season's starting a couple of weeks into January. I don't think they plan to cover the goddess monument arc.
>>282712609It is written that only Stark is allowed to have multiple expressions.
>>282728241Let's break down the math here, shall we? The first 3 chapters were adapted into 2 episodes, but they're super long (longer than 5 regular chapters), so they distort the computation. It makes more sense to compare what happens later so>26 episodes/57 chapters ~= 0.46At this rate, you would get for everything up the end of Goddess Mountain, so chapter 61-119, 59 in total>59 * 0.46 ~= 27If it was up until right before GM, so chapters 61-106, 46 in total>46 * 0.46 ~= 21Clearly the former is closer to regular two cour season which is usually 25-26 episodes (though 24, 27 and 28 happen too).If anything, the material post-season 1 is actually more battle heavy, so you could expect it to take less episodes.
>>282728241Will we even get to el dorado?
>>282728307El Dorado starts in chapter 81, the season starts in 61, there's 20 chapter, so 10 episodes at best before, probably less, beforehand.
>>282728307Yes, it will very likely cover up to the end of the Golden Lands arc
>>282728307Unless it's one cour, yeah. Having said that, there's no good place to stop a 1 cour season for these chapters. So presumably it's 2 cours, and then it's just a question of where between 20-26 eps is it going to land, and therefore, whether or not it will adapt the Goddess monument arc.
