>"Hood weebs, Tourists, Anime going mainstream? What are you talking about? Come on lets watch the latest episode of kujibiki unbalance, I'll meet you in the club room. I'm sure Saki is coming soon. And grab some chips"
>>282686239I get sad every time I think about Genshiken. I remember watching it with my friends back in the day. Good times
Ok guys, did You like Ichigo 100?
>>282686239racists like you ain't no friend of mine
>>282686239>"Hood weebs, Tourists, Anime going mainstream?I feel like the only people who talk about shit like this are insecure newfags/posers. I've never seen anyone with any real interest in anime use these words.
>>282686405I have and while I'll agree those words are overused now, they still are true, especially with some "fans" who are weirdly prude about anime. I think it's fine to call out tourist types, but overusing it can lessen it's meaning
>>282686445>I haveNo you haven't.Anyways, this shit is, as always, for retarded faggots who go out of their way to talk to people they know they won't like, and then drag that drama back here. It's annoying and honestly, you're subhuman if you do this, you're a subhuman mongrel that should leave this site, because you're just a failed normalfag who doesn't actually watch anime I'm willing to bet. Your watchlist probably ends at things that were popular when they aired and have English DVD or BD releases, shit like that. Because what I mean when I say the only people using words like "hood weebs" or "tourists" being newfags, is because you obviously don't post here. You obviously post somewhere, get upset, and then come here to whine like everyone should care. Like that this is something of significance to anyone at all, rather than you wanting to jerk off in text form and be a gigantic faggot that nobody likes. People who only watch the surface level of anime have always existed, even ignoring that you are definitely one of them, people have always just watched Naruto or just watched Ranma or Inuyasha or Dragon Ball, or Yu Yu Hakusho or Robotech, and they'd talk about dumbshit like how Naruto objectifies women or how Dragon Ball is sexist, and normally nobody on /a/ would care because nobody on /a/ would be going out of their way to look at this, but now normalfags, who don't watch anime, like you, read all this shit and get mad or you want a billion trillion (You)s, so you spend all day on these other sites reading all this dumb shit, and then coming here to post about it.Just post about this on /v/ or something. You are the "tourist" if you post about this here. You are actively advertising how you do not use /a/ and you do not know what should be posted here, you're the big tourist newfag poser shithead. And everyone can tell.
>>282686618Didn't read btw.
>>282686789tl;dr you're a faggot, faggot.
>>282686618>You say X, therefore you're just XThis is your whole argument and falls flat because you don't even know why most people say Hood weeb or tourist and your gut reaction says enough on its ownYes, people have always watched surface-level anime, it's like with any other media. However tourists and hoodweeb are 2 terms that are used in specific contexts to describe certain anime fans, especially and how they act with other anime fans, genres, ideals, etc, and are very vocal about it, unlike others in the past. Sure retards use these words wrongly but it doesn't dismiss the meaning behind the word, especially when some people are actively trying to make anime bland and dull, when most people came to anime and liked it in the first place was because of how weird it wasIgnorance is bliss from your end
>>282686913I know why. It's the latest iteration of the term to describe the "other", adopted from another website. It's cancer, and you're cancer for forcing threads about it here.And no, it is not different from the past. Tabloid articles were written about how various anime were sexist and racist as baits for engagement to make ad revenue. People advertised their lacking knowledge on forums freely, for attention. People ran blogs entirely about these very 'controversial' (in reality, uninteresting) opinions, or as your kind might call them "takes". There is no difference other than you being on the sites where this occurs. If nobody here used twitter, we wouldn't have threads like this. If nobody here went out of their way to engage with the people like this, this thread wouldn't exist. If you watched anime and then talked about anime, you would have made a worthwhile thread instead of earning yourself an inevitable 3 day vacation. You can paint this under the delusion of "saving anime" (gayest shit to ever think about your attention hungry posts made on an irrelevant site about some other site because you're bitter over some drama only you care about), but that's not why you're doing this. I just said why you're doing this. Being ignorant here is fine because it's irrelevant. You give this all the importance in the world when it doesn't fucking matter.People on the internet are people on the internet, and the only difference between you and the people you're complaining about is that you think you're somehow better, because you go to a different site to whine and complain, and then you don't watch anime, and you don't talk about anime, and you act like a fucking annoying faggot.
>>282687063So basically "yes, people are changing stuff, and those people who are doing it are like people who just watch surface level stuff dude, but don't you dare point it out, since that's gay and cancer" brilliant>but how does that affect you personally
>>282687161Not what I said.Where are they "changing stuff"? Is it in some made up delusion in your head? Is it in some irrelevant dub? Is it in some subbing scene, because believe, people changing shit to suit their given narrative in the subtitles is a tale as old as time, you can go in the SA thread for FMA and see subber drama for FMA03, there are entire manifestos for subber drama about changing shit to suit one translator's particular tastes. This has always been there, both in official and unofficial capacities. You whining on a dead and irrelevant site will never change anything, and this self-righteous attitude you have about it so fucking dumb. You think you're doing something, you think you're important, and you cannot engage with the idea that you just might be irrelevant, and all of your petty squabbles are with literal whos who are equally irrelevant.
>>282687220The dub stuff is minor, it's gay and annoying but minor, it's more of them using anime as a vehicle to push their own agendas to try and legitimize their support, the most famous example is Hasan and One Piece. Along with a lot of tourists tending to hate fan service, waifus, and overall being prudish compared to others in the past. You underestimate how vocal people online are and how they can push changes to fit their ideals over the majority of the fans Who cares if 4chan is dying or dead? It's still around and has its place within the online anime culture and sphere, and most anime fans outside of the progs tend to agree with people using words like Tourists or hoodweebs. Bluesky or Reddit might agree with you
>>282686239Madara is such a good character, fuck I love Genshiken.
>>282687464>it's more of them using anime as a vehicle to push their own agendas to try and legitimize their support, the most famous example is Hasan and One Piece.The more famous example is shit nobody except you cares about. The more famous example is this thing I have to look up and the first results aren't the news, they aren't a blog, they aren't a tabloid, they aren't fucking some rag like ANN, it's reddit and youtube. That's irrelevant. That's shit nobody cares about. That's weekly chapter reviewer tier, the only people who care about this are people within whoever this guy is, people in his sphere of influence. That includes you. You're a useful idiot giving him attention.>Along with a lot of tourists tending to hate fan service, waifus, and overall being prudish compared to others in the past. Stop comparing to a past you were not around for. People shittalked fanservice and all that so much before, and you want to know what people did? They ignored it. They didn't go out of their way to fight about it because the internet isn't serious. It's not serious business to be 'cringe' about it. You're also exposing yourself with shit like "waifus", may as well start saying "animes" and then hopefully blow your brains out.Reality check: western anime fans are irrelevant. It sounds more like you only watch shit like One Piece, complete normalfag dubbed shit, and then you go on twitter and you get in dumb fights, you stew, you're mad, and then you come here and whine. You change nothing, you accomplish nothing, which is fine, but the issue is that you think you're important. Your parents didn't beat you enough to make you realize you're not, so now we have to deal with it. The only people who can "change the industry" are people with jobs in it. Not random people posting on 4chan, and before you fearmonger about that, the solution is to get a job or shut the fuck up. Because this is irrelevant, this is, from what I can see, "twitch drama". Fucking normalfag.
>Genshikenremember when this turned from an otaku club into a fujo clubiirc there's also a sequel where the MC has gay sex while cheating on his wife
>>282687562>it's reddit and youtube. That's irrelevantThis is basically when normies and boomer types say "it's online who cares?" and are just ignorant of online spheres and how influential they are. If you said this 6 years ago i'd agree but not today and not since COVID, especially when they actively try and push their ideals into places like the anime community and people notice what's going on >western anime fans are irrelevantMaybe to the native Japanese markets and companies but within the Western sphere, it's very noticeable what's going on in how they are actively trying to subvert the media to their ideals and push their own agenda. BTW, saying "this is irrelevant" over and over again doesn't make it irrelevant. Maybe to you it does, but not in reality
>>282687678>fujo clubWomen love gay men the way men love lesbians. Classic
>>282686239I was so inspired by Genshiken's "The Society for the Study of Modern Visual Culture" club shit that I started a blog when I was barely out of high school just to review and post weeb shit. Kept that running for 3 years.Good times.
>>282687706It's influential to people who are irrelevant, i.e. (You). There is no measurable change that has been caused by any of these people outside their spheres of influence. All your talk, all your bluster about this is purely in the theoretical, and that is all this fearmongering has ever been.It MIGHT change anime. It MIGHT change standards. It MIGHT do this, it MIGHT do that, and then nothing happens. We've seen this exact song and dance for almost 30 years, I bet if I was older I would be saying 30 years, and nothing has happened.Every change has been purely insular. I could list major anime changes, and they only apply to the Western industry side of anime, not the Japanese side, because the western side of anime is not the Japanese side, and you would know this if you knew ANYTHING about anime, but you don't. The anime production pipeline is so complex that western companies can't really muscle in, and if you were worried about that, Sony already has full control over several pipelines. You want to know what they make with that, with full control over creation, Japanese broadcast, distribution, to western broadcast and distribution? They backed Monogatari and Kimetsu no Yaiba. What actually happens with 'western influence in anime' is that the new Dragon Ball will be revealed in New York or California instead of in Newtype or Animage. That's the extent. Anyways, this is dumb. You just want to get mad about internet drama that nobody cares about, you want to feel important (you're not), you want to think this is important (it isn't), and above all you don't watch anime. It is stunningly obvious. You're a newfag to /a/ at best, and that's obvious too, you barely watch anime, your watchlist is probably all shit that was dubbed and aired on American TV (if it wasn't a modern seasonal), and you're just an annoying faggot who made a dogshit thread. You are actively ruining this board. You are the tourist. That's you. Kill yourself right now.
>>282686445I agree but also don't think we need to have this conversation on /a/ or 4chan in general. Everyone just fucks off to their boards and disccuses their hobbies without shame. Nobody really moralfags or cares about the age of drawings, fan service, or loli's, or some other low hanging fruit to bitch about. Trolling usually gets ignored or gets an out of 10 or too old. It's other websites that have to deal with normalfags being so defensive and prudish about anime. Even though anime has always been weird and stuff like dragon ball has weird shit too.
Spotted Flowerthe phone call is coming from inside your house
>>282687815>people actively trying to subvert the genre by pushing themselves into it and pushing their agenda>It's not happening, stop talking about itReddit-style argument. Making X thing irrelevant to you doesn't make it irrelevant to others, like those in the majority, especially with other genres getting subverted as hard Please if you're going to try and do this, at least don't be a bitch about it and do the whole fingers in ears not listening stuff. Ignorance is bliss on your end
>>282687943>completely ignores everything said to invent an argument where, of course, he is important and everything he does and takes action against is super significant and the most important thing evarGonna say the cringiest thing in the thread, but grow up. Now I'm done. This was dumb, and there's no convincing someone this deep in irrelevant internet drama that has played out time and time and time and time and time again, and still thinks it's important or significant. At best, you are a useful idiot that is spamming shit threads like this, that only signal boost whatever petty internet grievances you have. You're literally too stupid to realize this. You're that dumb. Enjoy your vacation whenever the mods wake up.
>>282687853I can agree normal people within the fandoms or are aware that stuff is fictional, don't care about the characters age for example. However, it's still a very vocal minority of people who are vocal about it that's making a lot of attention to the points they are screaming about which is causing issues in some cases. Some genres have already been changed by these types, it's natural that people don't want anime to go down the same path
>>282686618>People who only watch the surface level of anime have always existed, even ignoring that you are definitely one of them, people have always just watched Naruto or just watched Ranma or Inuyasha or Dragon Ball, or Yu Yu Hakusho or Robotech, and they'd talk about dumbshit like how Naruto objectifies women or how Dragon Ball is sexistkek, so much bs, have you learned "anime history" from some youtuber? back in the day you would be bullied if you watched chink cartoons and girls would think you are weird. no one would talk about sexism or women objectification, this came up after it became popular. what we had were church moms saying it was extremely violent and satanic
>>282687998>Still has the boomer mindset of the internet, therefore it can't have any influence, dispute recent news and IRL examples saying otherwise >irrelevant internet dramaOnce again, calling it irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant. People are already seeing it happen
>>282687678Anyone kept reading Spotted Flower past the cheating chapter? Well I did, and I admit the author did his best to re-contextualize the whole thing that leaves all the characters but Madarame in a better light. My guess is he tried to apply the common trope of the harem MC having his way with the girls without consequence, in a clear continuation of the hole "harem in real life" arc Madarame had it going at the end of Genshiken.Regardless, the actual losers are believe it or not the rest of the Nidaime cast and Sue. Complete disgusting behavior where after being friends for their college life, they start fucking each other, allowing their current partner to fuck others, a real cuck brainwash going on where they all feel bad about the current situation but let their loose bf/gf fuck another person. A real whiplash seeing very reserved and timid characters becoming whores in their adult life.
>>282688054His argument is basically "anime was always popular, people just made fun of the weird kids"revionsit history
>>282686239 kujibiki unbalance was the shitiest anime in an anime though. It really pulled me out of Genshiken to think otaku would be obsessed with it.
>>282688054You do realize that Dragon Ball was so huge that it getting new episodes in 1998 was a huge event on CN, it had GBA Video releases, had complete VHS and DVD runs for DBZ, had a redub (unheard of for such a long series), was popular enough for uncut DVDs to both be considered and released, and before 2005 had three different Dragon Ball anime airing simultaneously through both reruns and “new” shows, right?Fuck, Robotech predates everyone in this thread by probably two decades considering everything, that was huge as well, that had books, western books. Ranma was in every school library that I can recall.Anyways, you’re underage so why bother. You’re overlapping the Satanic Panic with internet clickbait articles, you’re clearly a retard.>>282688115This was also never said, it’s weird how to make any argument at all, you need to invent ideas that were never stated.This thread is, ironically, tourist central.
>>282688171>You do realize that Dragon Ball was so huge that it getting new episodes in 1998 was a huge event on CNYeah and Sailor Moon was also around and 4Kids had anime also, but people were still made fun of for watching and liking anime. It's clear you got into anime post-covid and saw the odd mainstream title from the past and thought anime was always popular. Exposed
>>282688250People got made fun of for being weird faggots. If you came out in public and went on about how serious this all was, how it was art and how you needed to watch it in glorious Japanese, you’d get bullied, sure. But just watching and talking about these shows wouldn’t, and all these posts make it clear that none of you were alive for this (considering how fucked your timelines are), so I have to wonder where this rape victim complex is coming from, for times you did not live through.And again, it was never said that anime was always popular. What I had said was that these people that you are so mad about and let control so much of what you think about, have always existed. And you’re stupid, I also said that a lot.
>>282688030Yeah I think that shit should get push back too since it's pretty alarming how normalfags keep bring up these same tired topics trying to change anime and fandoms. So have they've actually changed anime much though? Isn't a majority of anime always aimed at an japanese audience first and everyone else second?
>>282688306>People got made fun of for being weird faggotsYou literally just made my argument for me when I said, "His argument is basically "anime was always popular, people just made fun of the weird kids" even tho anyone from that era will tell you people just made fun of anime period. You're too young to realize that Lmao, revisionist history at its best
>>282688171>You do realize that Dragon Ball was so huge that it getting new episodes in 1998 was a huge event on CN, it had GBA Video releases, had complete VHS and DVD runs for DBZstill it was extremely niche, it was huge for a niche audience that was starting to grow, cool teens were watching melrose place, beverly hills 90210, dawson's creek, but you weren't even born, so you don't know. people would ask wtf a manga is (is it like mango?) ffs, but since you didn't live that era ofc you won't know, even gaming was a losers' activity
>>282688420Oh yeah, your immediate accusation of "Oh actually, YOU'RE the newfag", I don't know how you want me to prove the contrary to that.You want me to post my shitty OOPs? You want me to dig through my storage for my old manga volumes? You want me to show off my imports? >>282688420Again, you are projecting an understanding you stole from somewhere else and acting like you're super knowledgeable. Listen, word of advice. Massively profitable industries do not exist on the back of social pariahs. I was deliberate with the anime I chose here, Case Closed infamously failed- after airing like 100 episodes on American TV, but my other DVDs, a couple older I believe, showcase a different story. I included Dragon Ball, because it was so popular and so big that Curse of the Blood Rubies, that movie there, got redubbed and it got an individual DVD release in 2007 or so, because the series was so popular, that when the rights to that film lapsed, Funi picked it up and immediately released it. That doesn't happen for things that are not popular. And I just included Gokudo as the oddity pick. Could've put in Desert Punk, nobody talks about that anymore but it had a nice volume release. >>282688446Listen, I don't want to be the one to break this to you, but what was cool by the late 90s and early-mid 00s, was not shows that started in 1990. Dawson's Creek sure, but 90210 was the shit that people working dead end waitress jobs watched, WOMEN watched 90210. And again, once the industry aspect appears, the niche flavor leaves. Lain had a full four volume DVD release in like 1998. LAIN. Before the recession hit, you were rolling in anime releases, it was not as popular as today, I never said that (dense retards), but saying you liked Dragon Ball didn't immediately get you put through some Hollywood bullying skit, because that didn't happen. Dragon Ball was popular with kids and teenagers. All its games were successful in the west. There was a fucking TCG.
>>282688446None of that shit was as popular as Dragon Ball Z. Every black kid that I knew was into it.
>>282688575it was just a generalization to tell what teens watched during the whole decade, dumbass, but you're a functionally illiterate sperg so you can't read between the lines. and ffs, something that is niche having moderate success among that fucking niche isn't the same as today with the kimetsu no yaiba movie doing $70m in a weekend, and yes being bullied for talking about anime was indeed true, just ask someone who lived through it, unless you lived in japan>>282688579in 2010's, maybe, late 90's no fucking way, it was asians and white kids
>>282688575DBZ was mainstream and everyone watched it, but most did not go past that and anime fans were still made fun and seen as weird.>you are projecting an understanding you stole from somewhere else and acting like you're super knowledgeable.No i am not. Anyone who grew up in that era can tell you outside of some of the mainstream titles, anime was seen as weird people got mocked for it. Sure there were some cringe people involved but these were minor cases and anyone who even said they liked anime got laughed at.>unless you lived in japanEven in Japan, Otaku were laughed at sometimes. Genshikin kinda points this out itself. It wasn't until the 2010s that otaku became a thing for everyone like Tran otaku or fashion otaku, instead of just anime
>>282687063what a naive view of the world
>>282688800>moderate successReleasing a nearly 300 episode cartoon on VHS, and then releasing it on DVD with multiple audio tracks and a new dub for a large chunk of the episodes, is not the sign of a moderate success, it was just popular. >and yes being bullied for talking about anime was indeed trueHere, I'll talk to you about that, because I lived through it.The extent of my horrific bullying was someone saying "You like Dragon Balls??" and that was it, because reading comics in general was not that weird, and unless you tried to hang out with the tryhards in high school, nobody really gave a shit what you watched so long as you weren't doing cosplay at school. >>282688919You can go watch Otaku no Video right now, an OVA from about 1990, and it will have a military gun otaku. I think it even had a pie graph about military otaku interests and if they overlap with interest in actual gun ownership. As for the rest, I dunno, I guess I can't convince the perpetually delusional who want to feel part of a persecuted class and base their understanding of the past on hollywood movies (or you were genuine fuckups everyone loved bullying).People don't bully for tastes, they bully the people that are the easiest targets. In my elementary school, that was the fat kid, I remember dropkicking him as a joke when I was ten and fracturing my elbow on landing. In high school, that doesn't really matter because you see so many different people in a day, it's really just your friends groups unless you force yourself into things like prom or very jocular activities, and even then I did football and nobody really brought up anything beyond sports.
It's really obvious who was born after the year 2000.
>>282686405I have a feeling those words describe you and that's why you're upset.
>>282688163Yeah but that's the whole point of it, it's meant to be a parody of anime from that era>>282689238Someone called him that on Twitter or elsewhere, and has made him mad ever since
>>282689023I don't know why you're larping as an oldfag. Anyone who was actually alive in the 90s can tell you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>282688086I've said before, the signs were there if you looked at the mangaka's other work, Jigopuri.In betweem Genshiken, the mangaka did another work about parenting called Jigopuri which was about a girl dropping out of high school due to getting pregnant, and the manga is about her raising her kid with the help of her sister. It was revealed that the father of the child is her classmate who had some terminal disease and would be dead before they graduate, so she decided that she wants to have his kid to have something to remember him by. It's a fucking retarded plot. But hey, on the bright side, it wasn't another case of student getting fucked by a teacher.
Moe is King.
>>282689324>You're wrong because you're wrong Riveting.
>>282688919>Anyone who grew up in that era can tell you outside of some of the mainstream titles, anime was seen as weird people got mocked forPerson who grew up in the 90s here: yea, it was. Well, I should say early to mid 90's it wasn't weird or mocked because it was mostly "what the fuck are you talking about?" People didn't even know about anime to mock it until the late 90s when some of it hit the mainstream.In the late 90s and early 00s you would have people who'd allow for things like DBZ, but past that you'd absolutely get bullied. At the very least people would badmouth that part of your interests even if not bullying you otherwise.
Two fucking decades have passed since this shit aired and somehow even Ogiue has become an unrealistic depiction of a high functioning autist for you fuckers
Genshiken aged so poorly it hurts, even ignored the entirety of nidaime and the gay sequel.I blame smartphones
>>282689592Nah, this is all on the mangaka. The other works went to shits as well.
>>282689605>*even ingoringI meant that the 2d-loving culture it portrays no longer exists, it kinda hurts rewatching it because i didn't have friends back then.
I wonder how a series like this could make someone mad.
>>282689605>The other works went to shits as well.What's your problem with Zenbu Sensei no Sei?
>>282687678An ironic commentary on anime culture turns into anime cliches itself, what a way to go
/a/tards seething over ppl watching anime and shitting on those anime
>>282686239>Hood weebsWhy is this a bad thing? Brothas into magic girls have been a thing since the 90s for the least.
>>282686405>>282686618If anything it seems you started to get angry at this after a certain word got really popular outside lately, should have started earlier if you wanted people to take you seriously.
>>282687728fujos are not your regular women. It's a much stronger term for those who are obsessed with it. Their sexuality is far more wraped.
Your a dork
>>282692489>YOU’RE the newfag/etc etcWhy are you people unable to actually say anything else.Why is it that none of you can actually talk about anime and all you can do is assert how you’ve totally been watching it for “longer than five years” (real high bar that is also never proven by anyone that talks like this).
>>282686878Okay, tourist.
>>282687868Is this like that Star Trek thing where you reference a moment to represent a feeling?>/a/non when they read THAT chapter of Spotted Flower, his teeth cringing.
