Why did Shirou throw away his ideals so easily in HF? It completely pisses on UBW's ending
>>282691729He grew a brain
>easily>agonizing>ilya and his future version had to intervene and tell him it's ok
>>282691729Because being normal is obviously better than being weirdYes it pisses on the previous two routes, that's the point. it wouldn't be impactful if you played HF first and he made the natural rational choice right away. You need to see him be a weirdo in UBW so that the choice is impactful.
>>282691816"Because being normal is obviously better than being weird"The thing is, most readers who like to self inserts prefer the 'OP' version of Shirou (even it's canon that he's not even that powerful magus to begin with). You said he's a weirdo (he is) but other would say 'hes beautifully damaged" or some shit3rd route was basically about growing up
>>282691729Perhaps Nasu is to blame for the poor conveyance, but Shirou didn't really throw away his ideals in this scene. He wasn't even agonizing over sacrificing people for Sakura, he was agonizing over the mere POSSIBILITY of someone dying if he doesn't kill her instead. It wasn't until the scene with the knife that he actually had to change, and even then he just compromises rather than outright throwing them away.
Fate isn't written wellDon't read too much into it
>>282691816>>282691871>other would say 'hes beautifully damaged" or some shitI actually think Shirou is completely normal and correct in his judgment for 99% of circumstances if you analyze them logically, and this holds across the entirety of all three routes. Nasu is the weird one for presenting him as weird.
>>282691729I mean,to some extend he's still upholding them via focusing his superhero autism on just Sakura herself
>>282691876He's not. It's pretty obvious that he didn't throw them away. Even in UBW Shirou that he was happy because he was "saving someone" (not plural) which exactly what he did in HF.There's also the parallel with kiritsugu who was "saved" when he rescued Shirou from the fire. Again one person, and not a mass of people he knew nothing about.Shirou just adaptsed his crazy ideals to reality which is why he's happy at the end HF
>>282691904Being a perfect beacon of morality and judgment is actually extremely weird.
>>282691904Shirou has almost not self-worth and only can throw himself into danger to feel happy in the first two routes. He's driven by survivor guilt but finally thinks that his own needs are as worthy in hfHe's not healthy
>>282691729I always thought this route was when he was the most human, humans are naturally selfish, self serving and want their own things over the world's desires no matter how much they try to dress it up, it's the only way we know how to live, even so called paragons of morality like Saber and Jeanne ultimately did what they did for personal reasons rather than for the sake of their god, their kingdom and their people.I think the worst thing about the Nasu fanbase is that they think Selfishness always mean bad actions and behaviors and thus anything showing it means the perosn doing it deserves whatever fate befalls them, Urobutchi kinda acts like this too and Eva fans seem to follow the same thought process.it's the same as people misunderstanding satire and mockery as the one doing actively despising the thing they're parodying and satiring like say Nisoin with his gatari franchice and Medaka Box, Boy I cannot begin to tell you how many annoying Niso fans thought he was taking the piss out of Jump by having Medaka, Kuma and Aimyu and Zenchiki's characters being all about going on tirades against Jump's principles meant that the author hates Jump, hates manga from Jump, hates authors from Jump and hates the entire medium as shallow childish coloring book shitwhen did critical thinking die? all we lived in for the past 20 to 30 years is people caught up in their feels
>>282691981It should be, but Nasu outright says that he does and writes a bunch of dramatic scenes and monologues about it despite obviously contradicting what's unfolding before our eyes, the consequences of which you can see in dumbies like OP and several other posters ITT. If Nasu had Shirou say that he's not betraying his ideals at all and his new direction is actually the true way to realize them, then Nasu wouldn't be to blame, but that didn't happen.>>282692125Yet others also value him at their own expense, and he's objectively correct in his assessment of them. On the contrary, if you were to discover the a HGW, you would also have an ethical responsibility to end it, Shirou's desires don't really matter there. Likewise, you would be correct to risk your life to protect your lifeline, because that getting cut is no different from dying outright.>only can throw himself into danger to feel happyFanon, he's perfectly happy in the kitchen.
lol this place is crazy xD i cant believe people talk like this on the internet xD
>>282691729>>282691871>>282691883>he doesn't knowHeaven's Feel is the canonical story and ending of FSN.to make it short:fate is for childrenubw for manchildrenheaven's feel is for real men
>>282691729Cause Sakura has a fat ass
>>282691729Sakura squeezed out those toxic ideals out of Shirou's soul
>>282692219Did Nasu say it on an interview ? Or is it because of the game ? Because FSN is the kind of 'show don't tell' story. But even tho, Shirou said he would happy to save one person, in the route right before HF, which he did. I think the only thing 'Nasu should have been more obvious about is how harmful the ideals were to Shirou.Most readers see him as the shonen OP protagonist which is why they can't comprehend the idea of Shirou not following this route. Yet the vn made it clear that Shirou is unwell and needs to be more selfish. Even in Fate idk if it's the anime or the vn, there's a scene when someone comments that Shirou being that much of a people pleaser/helper at his own expense isn't good.
mmmm wormussy
>>282692323because fate and ubw are made on purpose to reveal shirou's inability to grow up that he overcomes in HF
>>282691729because Sakura best girl
>>282692275ubw for manchildrenYess omg. There's a reason the UBW icon of Shirou is everywhere.I recently finished the game, i'm relatively new to VNs and read it with a 'fresh' mind.If i compare it to the others VNs i've read then HF was obviously the true route/end whatever. It followed the same mechanic (last route to unlock), gave Shirou/readers the most informations about the grail, his father, his bff, Sakura, actually make him confront his ideal and how much they can hold in reality etc etc There was no doubt HF was the endgame then i went online and holy shit...People got so mad when you said that, either because they prefer an other heroine (sabeh!!) or because they prefer the 'op' version of Shirou who never confronts his own shortcomings. I blame nasu for this, he's coward that didn't stick to what he wrote after the backlash Sakura's route received
>>282692323Shirou is constantly in agonizing pain and on the verge of death. It's pretty clear how self-destructive he is. There's a bunch of idiots that willingly miss the point and pretend that it's ok because they, just like Shirou, have the mentality of a teenager and refuse to grow up.
>>282692419Chill out dude. There's no need to confirm or follow through anything else because the original FSN VN is self-sufficient.HF is just the natural conclusion where Shirou finally becomes a human being and finds his true partner Sakura and that sticks, that's for ever.Now that you know that, feel free to see the other parallel worlds/series/games or not, that's up to you.
>>282692275HF is for edgy teenagers.
>>282692463>missing the point this hardlol, lmao even
>>282692425That just proves HF Shirou is a better man
>>28269227599% of Fate is facile trite for edgy teens.Only exception is Rider in Zero, he is the only good character who actually makes sense and isn't a faggot.
>>282692275Fate and ubw exist for introductory purposes and to deceive the readers.Zero and Heaven's Feel make the canon.t. Godt. Nasu
>>282692459The only comparaison i made was about the mechanics and how it worked just like other true routes.Nasu also said that 'all routes are equal so there's no 'natural' conclusion
>>282692172All this shit just to tell everyone you're a teenager.
Shirou and Sakura are the soulmates of the FSN franchise. That tells you enough.
>>282692640And yet Nasu called Saber Shirou's soulmate...
>>282692662>>282692323>>282691871It's always going to be SakuraxShirou.They are the only ones with the strength to actually make it work(and they do).
>>282691729because HF is where the story concludes
>>282692840and Shirou actually becomes a man.
>>282692640Isn't the image on the left a fanart ?
>>282692853Is the manga translated on english ?
>>282692498>all those repliesI see Rinkeks are projecting again.Tell me, who went to London alone again?The one who's known to be desperate for money?
>Rin's most memorable scene is in HFUBWkeks lost.
>>282693005Epstein...
>>282691729Used goods good, virgins bad
>>282691816Shirou is never normal.Shirou swaps from self-destructive pursuit of an ideal in Fate (that results in an Avalon miracle), to not quite self-destructive pursuit of the ideal in UBW (or accepting of the risk of self-destruction because trying to achieve the unattainable isn't wrong), to self-destructive oneitis for something attainable in HF. He does not fundamentally change in any route, Nasu is very clear on this point.In fact, in HF's ending he is arguably the most at risk, because he has gone all in 2000x on Sakura oneitis. He'd let worlds burn to keep her alive, would break down if she got so much as a hangnail, lives in a gilded cage as an inferior homunculus copy of himself, and she is horribly broken herself (she is canonically more a magus and better at the mage mindset than Rin could ever be). She doesn't fix him, and he doesn't fix her.
>>282691729Sakura does have huge honkers compared to all other girls he met, probably traced on his horny neuron.
>>282692498You made me laugh anon, have a (you).
Because Sakura is best girl
>>282692498BAAAAYYSSSSEEEDD
>>282693772>Avalon miracleA Retcon Nasu was forced to write.>all that headcanon about Shirou and Sakura not fixing each otherJesus, anon.
>>282693772Yes, Shirou is normal in HF because it's normal to prioritize the people close to you above others.Heroes of Justice are abnormal because they act impartially.>self-destructiveirrelevant
Avalon ending was not good. At the end of Fate Shirou is okay moving on, and then you reached the true ending and suddenly you realize that he didn't and chase a ghost he knew for 2 weeks. The fuck
>>282691729Sakura was worth it.
>>282694703Its actual pandering.
>>282694703>>282694826Takeuchi didn't want to fuck Sakura and he harassed me daily. t.Nasu
>>282694826I wish nasu would grow a spine
>>282694963I've read some interview of takeuchi and i had never seen a grown man openly simp so hard for his own 2D character
Butthurt Sakurafag detected. Heaven's Feel completely wrecked Shirou's character. He's supposed to be irrevocably broken by the fire, a person who's unable to live for himself and can only live for the happiness of others. The ultimate moralfag, essentially. There's nothing wrong with Nasu flipping Shirou's character on its head in principle, but it was just so poorly done. Sakura "romance" of coming over every morning to cook and stutter out 'Senpai' just wasn't a satisfactory build-up for Shirou throwing away himself just for her sake. It's made even worse by the fact that Heaven's Feel comes right after Unlimited Blade Works, where Shirou stubbornly clung to his ideals even when faced with knowledge from a future self that they'd destroy him and make him miserable for eternity. That wasn't enough to sway him, but a cute girl visiting him every morning apparently is.Basically what I'm getting at is that Sakura's romance was not well written. I don't think any of the romances in F/SN are well done, but Saber's and Rin's aren't central to the plot of their routes like Sakura's is to Heaven's Feel.
>>282691729Fundamentally, HF's issues ultimately boil down to two things: Shirou was originally meant to die and the ending where he lives was slapped on without his preceding arc being rewritten; and the route is the result of the merging of the Illya and Sakura routes. The whole point of the route up until the ending is that Shirou is such a broken human being, more machine than man, that upon breaking his ideal he is cursed to die. His mind breaks because for him to give up from the ideal once is to give up from it forever. Nonetheless, Shirou chooses to redefine what it means to be a hero by becoming an anti-hero much like Kiritsugu and Archer, but unlike them to do so for one specific person, namely Sakura. Just as they were cursed to pay for others' sins, so to is he fated to become a scapegoat and pay for the deaths Sakura is partially complicit in in her stead. That is the beauty of HF. However, by having Illya save him, you relegate on this arc. And the trouble is if Illya doesn't save him you have no real conclusion to her story. This contradiction is difficult to reconcile. Either way, by having Illya save Shirou, you render him useless in his own story, for he contributes the least to the eventual victory. His contribution boils down to projecting the Jewel Sword and Rule Breaker. It was Dark Sakura who killed Kirei. It was Rin who truly saved Sakura. It was Illya who ultimately stopped Angra Mainyu. Comparatively, Shirou ends up sidelined in his own story.
>>282691904He never becomes fully normal in any route. In Fate, he’s satisfied with his time with Saber, nothing else to say and no words lost. Him seeking Avalon isn't because he lacked anything from his time with her. He is fulfilled in life and pursues her even after a life without regrets. Even in the event he doesn't reach Avalon, he's still completely satisfied with his time with her and can live his life doing whatever he wishes without wishing he did anything with Saber differently.UBW has Shirou still go for the ideals even knowing blindly following them will lead to problems. His confrontation with Archer alone leads him to never become like Archer and he fins fulfillment there. Even Archer never says that the ideals are wrong. They aren’t. Seeking a future where you can save everyone is not a wrong choice. Yes you will almost certainly fail, but the key point is simple: it is not wrong to try. Archer never mocks the ideal, only Shirou’s broken devotion to it. It is that broken damaged psyche that causes the most danger in seeking the ideal, not the ideal itself. This is what Shirou recognizes he needs to fix, his martyr complex which leads to trying to protect Saber in Fate even when by all accounts he should be protected.In HF Shirou is still incapable of finding any happiness or fulfillment on his own. He just chooses his immediate people instead of a wider group. All that's changed is scope, not what he seeks or what he will try to do. He's helping out with improving Fuyuki with Issei and the others but he's still continuously seeking to help others because he isn't even functional alone. HF Shirou knows he's like Kotomine except Kotomine only finds joy from other people's suffering. HF Shirou is fundamentally still this broken person who'll never find any happiness on his own and that part of him will probably never change. In all routes, he lacks any ability to be fulfilled alone and must find happiness in the happiness of others.
>>282694992Takeuchi is obsessed with that French Canadian woman.Wasn't the inspiration for Arc/Saber/Jeanne notified of it already?
>Saberfags and Sakurafags have their own canon endingsRinkeks in shambles.
>>282695077Rinfags get pic
>>282695059I haven't find the interview about that French Canadian woman, is she supposed to be the inspiration for Saber ? Haven't read the other vn but I noticed Arc looked exactly like Saber. I know he has a same face syndrome but he could have at least given longer hair or something...
>In all routes, he lacks any ability to be fulfilled alone and must find happiness in the happiness of others. Yeah humans can't feel fulfilled on their own, we are social creatures. However there is a big difference between finding happiness by almost killing yourself for people you don't know to an absurd degree and helping someone close to you. It's actually healthy to derive happiness from helping your loved ones.
>>282695129https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/1fed3cf/we_found_the_model_for_arcueid_after_23_years/>redditIt's the only one I found when I searched about it.And yes.
>>282695252You won't be able to convince the Rinkeks here, anon. They all think they can be Shirou in UBW and save the world like some shounen protag.
>>282695370I feel like the ones the most in denial are the ones who like Saber the most. When you bring up the fact that Avalon was a retcon, that Fate route doesn't resolve Shirou issues etc they always get so mad like. The obsession with saber is weird
>>282695090>The syrupy magma breaks through the hard bedrock and, at last, flows inside Tohsaka----Well holy goddamn, that's a nut and a half
>>282691729Worm pussy grips different.
>>282695507Saber has full-on bias from one of the two owners of Type-Moon.I don't think Saberfags give a shit. They're always gonna get something because Takeuchi exists.
>>282692275Last Episode is old man/true heaven.
>>282695811True. I haven't read the remastered version yet just i wonder if they kept Taiga dojo scene where she's said that HF was the true end of FSN or if they removed it
>>282696128Pretty sure they kept it.
>>282695059
>all this wormfag copeLook, neither HF is this masterpiece of a story you all insist others it is, neither is that deep when compared to UBW or even Fate.Plus, Fate as a franchise is literally Marvel now. So any "narrative value" HF may have once had, has been completely replaced with the gachafag audience. And they rather prefer the shonen routes.Don't even bother replying to me. I'm done with you disgusting Sakurafags, who's been shilling some subversive whore. Endlessly. For 20 fucking years now.
>>282696263Nice of you to omit how Sakura is the most popular out of the 3 heroines in the gachafag audience.
>>282696166Interesting since Nasu said all route were equal. So they kept it, but didn't improve Saber's route like fans were asking for..hmmm
>>282691871>most readers who like to self insertTheir opinions can immediately be disregarded because Shirou is not a self-insert, and if you're legitimately self-inserting as him, get help.
>>282696576That's Rinkeks for you.They self-insert as Shirou. They're the kind that 100% would save Shinji than their own family.
>>282696784>Your entire argument pivots around the fact that you want to fuck Sakura as ShirouI never said this. You're projecting and deflecting as usual.I just said HF is overall best for Shirou as a reader who've read all the routes.
>>282691729because he found something real with Sakura, which was the only salvation for his soul btw
>>282693668So, Sakura dragged him to the level of a miserable normie, who has to man up and save that ho after she took a thousand worms, even though her mere presence basically makes him unhappy and her whole romance is "I deserve you because I won't be happy without you" emotional blackmail?
I don't even know why I bothered explaining my reasons about why HF is good for Shirou.Half the thread is the Rinkek literally shitposting.
>>282696518No, she isn't. First, Seiba is more popular by a fucking mile. Second, while in case of Rin and especially Seiba various alter sluts have at least some resemblance to the prototype in terms of character and role, Sakurafaces usually have no similarities with actual Sakura.
>>282697131Also it's in the Vn.Shirou's wish is to save someone and that's exactly what he did in HF. Fate/UBW Shirou would have been horrified by Sakura's situation and those two routes would have not happened because Sakura would have taken priority (just like Shirou gave up Saber/the war in UBW to save Taiga).This is a reason the story feels incomplete in Fate/ubw, because Shirou doesn't know the whole story (grail, Sakura, co).
>>282697447You're literally saying that Sakura is blackmailing Shirou by using her misery porn to exploit his hero complex in HF.What you leave unclear is how the fuck this is good for him.
>>282697199>Seiba is more popular by a fucking mileWrong. Castoria is the most popular Saberface and yet she isn't Artoria Pendragon. FSNfags also throw a tantrum when she's written for Gudao.Space Ishtar literally started the decline of FGO by taking so much effort and drawing no money.>Sakurafaces usually have no similarities with actual Sakura.Ah, you've never even touch FGO or Extra. Hell, I'd say you've never read the VN too.
>>282698212>Ah, you've never even touch FGOFuck off, retard.>Space Ishtar literally started the decline of FGO by taking so much effort and drawing no money.Delusion.
It does show something that isn't coherehnt outside a "pick your own adventure game" which is a metanarrative about choice: it only becomes natural to change after Shirou has become who he would have been. First Archer, then MetaArcher then just school boy Shirou again.
>>282698354>ENAh, that makes sense why you're so delusional.
>>282691729Sometimes one thing can outweigh everything else. Wormslut is not of them though so he was just insane there.
>>282698465Wrong. That's only Fate and UBW at best.He doesn't have the strength to be a superhero in HF.
>>282691729The wormussy got to him. It was so mindbendingly good that he knew he needed more even at the cost of his life.Sakura could do things to his cock no woman could ever hope to.
>>282698465Nah, if memory serves the "Archer" route is a different one altogether. It is the closest to Fate but things still happened differently.For UBW specifically I believe it is outright stated that Shirou wouldn't become Archer with someone like Rin by his side.
>>282691871Growing up, as imagined by a manchild who never has.
>>282698620That's statistically impossible.He abandoned his Ideals in HF.
>>282699394His body is literally incapable to do any Archer feats.
There's an interview with Nasu where the reporter said that "archer reunited with saber in Avalon" and nasu didn't correct him. The initial name for LE was 'robot man' a. In the text Shirou talked about his journey as a 'burden". The closest Shirou is to becoming like Archer is the Fate route
>>282698459How ironic.
>>282699521>literally ships himself with Sakura TWICE>Rinkeks still unawareThey can never win huh.
>>282699394That's kinda the part the loses me.As far as I know, the Archer we see in Fate/Stay Night had his own holy grail war, did not hook up with any of the heroines, went on to live his life, made a pact with the will of humanity or some shit and became a counter guardian, which qualifies him as a hero.Now, if all versions of Shirou have the potential to "relapse" as you say and become Archer, what the fuck happens to Archer? Does he gain new memories "he" never went through? Does his personality change? Or does it just create a duplicate EMIYA that is somewhat different?For example, a big part of Archer's personality is his inability to save Ilya. He managed to prevent her from dying during the holy grail war, but she wasted away in a few years after that, which affected him greatly. For example, even as Archer he never actually harm Ilya, even though he is abandoning everything and trying to kill himself.This sizeable part of Archer's personality cannot exist in UBW Shirou or HF Shirou, who did not save their Ilya and did not form a huge connection with her (Maybe HF!Shirou did, I forget).So how does it all work? Multiple EMIYAs? Only one EMIYA but with the memories of multiple lives?
>>282699521Makes me wish we had some scenes between Archer and Sakura in FSn, or at least HF. I guess Archer giving his arm to Shirou, despite the fact that Shirou was already compromosing on his ideals, is kinda nice. Dying to help someone instead of just trying to kill himself like he did in UBW
>>282699806I wonder if the Archer Miyu summoned remembers HF. It's not a normal HGW so memories shouldn't be affected.
>>282691816Throwing away everything to save Sakura isn't rational, though. Trying to save her is, but HF makes the cost so cartoonishly, astronomically high Shirou ends up looking more insane than he ever did in UBW.
>>282699707Think of it like how Servents summoned as different classes have wildly different forms and personalities despite all being the same guy. Archer exists outside of time and space. Different instances of Archer, however, would not need be the same. Counter Guardian EMIYA and Archer are not the same person.
>>282699977What did Shirou throw away exactly?The only casualty after he didn't kill Sakura was Shinji.
>>282700054What did Shirou throw away exactly?His mental illness
Just stopping by to say I want to fuck Archer.
>>282692438I'm pretty sure other-inflicted injuries aren't self-destruction.>but he deliberately put himself in dangerThat's assuming his threat evaluation is always correct, which it pretty clearly isn't, but yes, sometimes you need to take risks for the greater good, even if amoral materialists can't comprehend that. It's not really Shirou's fault he was thrown in the deep end with a bunch of sharks.
>>282700400So that's why they like UBW so much..
>>282696529Sakurafags still don't understand that the Good End where Sakura waits forever is the true end of Heaven's Feel while the True End is for FSN as a whole
>>282702056How does that matter?
>>282702056>SPOILER_It's called the Normal End, raider.>while the True End is for FSN as a wholeSo Sakura's happy ending is the true end of FSN as a whole. Glad we cleared that up.
>>282692172It is the most realistic, yeah.
>>282692463Wrong.
>>282697131it's just the sabercucks and rhinofags still being unable to handle reality. just as Nasu intended.
>>282699521Sakura penetrating Shirou is hard canon.
Shirou grew in the game and in the last route finally faced reality, his shortcomings, stopped being a coward and tried to help Sakura instead of looking the other away. Meanwhile some readers are still stuck in route 1 and 2. It's a bit hard to take Shirou's 'im the bone of my sword" monologues seriously and other moments that supposed to make him look badass while he didn't help his friend who was like almost living at his place. And deep down he knew something was happening just didn't to face it bc ir would break his ideals.
>>282704431>growing up is sacrificing everything in your life, including your fucking body to save that worm-ridden ho after she got tired of fucking her brotherNo. >while he didn't help his friend who was like almost living at his place. And deep down he knew something was happening just didn't to face it bc ir would break his ideals.Sakura is a bitch who pretends to be, like, 10 years old mentally while mooching off Shirou (daddy, I can't sleep without holding your hand!). Despite having tits the size of her head and actual mentality of a magus who got realities of the magus world rammed up her snatch long ago. Her behavior is so shifty and shitty that the story needs absolutely ridiculous amount of misery porn to excuse her. But Shirou is somehow a bad guy for not noticing shit he literally had not a faintest clue about until a bunch of magical supermen appeared and started tearing up the town, and he got his hands full just trying to survive.
>>282704431for Shirou: Sakura >>> everything and everyone. the fans and Nasu agree.
I've been brainwashed and the only Shirou that remains in my mind is the Prillya one
>>282699707The Archer we see in F/SN will never gain any memories of what happened in any of the routes.Even if he regains faith in his ideals and becomes 'happier' after talking to RIn, the moment he fades away it goes back to 0
Sanest Sakura thread this year.
>>282692529>The Butcher does it againHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
Real answer is that the author is a hack. Anything beyond that, I don't care about, I'll leave the headcanon gymnastics to people who actually care.
>>282695045>Archer never mocks the ideal, only Shirou’s broken devotion to itI think this is really a key argument. Archer will shit on Shirou relentlessly, but never on the ideal. He can't bring himself to, because he knows that it would be hollow. The hardest person to lie to is yourself.
>>282706417He called it a false/fake one though
>>282698553No, Nasu says the possibility still exists in all routes.
>>282705063>growing up is sacrificing everything in your life, including your fucking body to save that worm-ridden ho after she got tired of fucking her brotherPretty much yes
>>282706526Post the quote then.
>>282705063Read the VN.
>>282705695Honestly Kamen Rider Gaim is just a better version of Madoka and ZeroI can't believe he wrote the same story multiple times for different franchises though
>>282691729It's just the Shirou who is finally living for someone else, like an actual person and not just an abstract idea of people.
>>282708350But he's not a person. He should be fighting villains like a shounen protag.
It's been 20 years and anons still can't understand FSN?
>>282706922>A: I’ll just say now that he doesn’t become a Heroic Spirit in any of the routes, but the possibility is still present in all of them as well.It is a very low possibility, but in ANY route we see in the VN, Shirou may still end up on the Heroic Spirit Emiya road. We do not see it happen in them, but each one has the potential to create Heroic Spirit Emiya (from start to finish).The route Archer did come from is explicitly an alternate Fate route "good end" that didn't make it into the VN at all:>Q: What was the Fifth Grail War that Heroic Spirit Emiya experienced in his lifetime like? Was the Archer summoned there also Emiya? <grog>>Nasu Kinoko: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.>Takeuchi Takashi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!>Nasu: Yeah, probably. After that, it is believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London.Where he does connect with Rin, but didn't have the connection with her he did in the VN UBW routes.
>>282708350>let hundreds of people die for a worm-ridden whore like a real human beanYou wormfags are deranged.
>>282691729He was in his no-win situation which UBW did not put him in.He could not save everyone. It's exactly as Archer said.
Jamal poster you are a HERO
Maybe the real holy grail was Jamal’s penis/balls
The derailing of this thread will not work! Sakurabros, post all you have immediately and take back our thread!
How is she so beautiful!?
>randomly introduces the most powerful and seductive character in the third routeNasu is a hack
>>282711240Hubba hubba, can you put some more meat on those bones??
>>282711320If you insist brother!
>>282711320
Shirou loves her sexy folds!
>>282711240My fellow Sakurabro I am trying to resist Jamal’s charisma, but whenever I look at him I am overwhelmed by the most shameful sort of arousal.
>>282711439Hey I love this image but can you take that redhead guy out? Maybe replace him with some kind of big buff black guy? Just a suggestion!
>>282711497erm sure
>>282711521Dude I appreciate the effort but she is not nearly plump enough. There is no way this image could be cannon
>>282691729you completely did not understand the theme of each route.Fate: Be a hero and save everyone!UBW: You can only save 1 person; who will it be?HF: You can't save anyone, all you can do is struggle.
>>282711547as you wish!
>>282711567another with shirou
>>282711566More like>Fate: white boy magic>ubw: white boy magic 2>HF: Jamal always wins
>that moment in HF when La’Darius betrayed Jamal and tried to take Sakura for himselfPure Kino. Of course a Christ-like figure like Jamal would have his own Judas. Nasu is a genius.
>>282711711>jamal’s face when he sees prime Fuyuki bussy
>>282711724what part of Jamal's face do you think sakura loves most?
>>282711743His big beautiful heart and enormous kissable lips of course
>>282692061She got BTFO by Alexander
>>282711811Thats the weirdest way I’ve ever seen Jamal spelled
It’s kind of funny how the Fate fandom moved from Saber to Rin to Sakura over the years in the same way you’re supposed to play Stay Night into UBW into HF
>>282711838Dude where have you been for the last few years? Nobody cares about Sakura, they care about the love of her life, Jamal. The entire Fate fandom rests on his large ass.
>>282711869Actually thats a really good point, I stand corrected.
>>282711838Whats funny is the blatant fucking Jamal erasure in this post. He's quite literally the main character of HF, but you don’t even acknowledge him? I expect this kind of thing from those devious rinkeks, not from my fellow sakurabros
>>282711958Bro I know, I’ve already admitted my mistake. Please forgive me.
>>282711982>>282711958As a neutral Sakurabro I think you two should make up!
Jamal is both the main driving force behind Sakurathreads, and the lynchpin that holds the Fate community together.
>>282712039Thank you Jamal!
>>282712039Even if Rinkeks cant stand a man of the darker persuasion making love to Sakura they have to respect his sheer power!
>>282712039Jamal we love you!
>>282711838This never happened.>fandomBack to tumblr.
>>282712039Jamal saved my life. Years ago, I was in a really dark place and just wanted to end it all. I couldn’t even get an erection. Then I saw his sex scene with Sakura and everything changed. My penis started working again, and I came for the first time in years. My life suddenly had meaning again. That meaning? Spreading the good word of Jamal to every corner of God’s beautiful earth
>>282712058Nobody respects Jamal. Least of all for his power, which is surely miniscule.t. rinbro
>>282712039No joke, Jamal saved my marriage. I will always be grateful to Jamal, and to Nasu; the man that created such an incredible character.
>>282712039Jamal saved me from the years of back payment on child support I owed to my bitch ex wife
more sakura images because this thread turned really emotional so suddenly
>>282712039Jamal killed my beautiful baby boy but I don’t hold it against him
>>282712214Jamal giveth and he taketh away
>>282712160Are you intentionally overlooking Jamal's one-on-one battle with Gilgamesh where Jamal disarms him in hand to hand combat and finishes both himself and Gilgamesh off in one move?
>>282712243The one hole in Gilgamesh’s armor… Nasu is a genius…
>>282712243That scene was such bullshit lol. It was previously established that it takes monumental effort for Jamal to cum, and yet we’re suddenly supposed to believe that he can bust in the heat of battle? Yeah fucking right Nasu. Jamal was such an author’s pet.
>>282711838that's because the routes were adapted in that order anon jesuswhoever was young and impressionable when each route dropped and watched that and nothing else got locked onto the respective girl
>>282692498Carter..
>>282708350>It's just the Shirou who is finally living for someone else, like an actual person and not just an abstract idea of people.Never, not once in his life, not even for a second Shirou lived for "an abstract idea of people". On the contrary, he constantly helped any actual person he could.As for his actual character flaw, not being able to say "No" to people who are abusing his helpful nature, well, if you let that flaw define him and suck him into relationship with someone who only takes and never gives, you get HF.
>>282691729I wouldn't give up my ideals for used goods. If the heroine was an untouched virgin, it would make more sense
>>282713037It's a Rin schizo having a meltdown and spamming.
>>282713037It must be a janny at this point. There's no other possibility with how strict /a/ moderation is.
>>It’s kind of funny how the Fate fandom moved from Saber to Rin to Sakura over the years in the same way you’re supposed to play Stay Night into UBW into HFPeople grew up. There's an interview where Nasu and Takeuchi explained that it took years for him to write FNS, and he grew/changed doing it while the readers only read it in 60hrs. So the change might have been too abrupt for some even if was foreshadowed right from the first route...I also think people aren't as misogyne as they used to and some otakus realize that a non virgin 2D girlfriend wasn't that dramatic...
>>282711838That's the natural order of things.Sakura x Shirou are the endgame, just like Nasu always intended.
>>282711137The thing, the 'no-win' situation is in every route. His father tells him right come the start that saving someone meant not saving someone else. He only grasped the full meaning of those words in HF, which is why his promise in UBW is hollow and why I can't see him being happy in the long turn in the 2 other routes. Just like Archer, he's going to realize that his ideals weren't realistic at all and he'll end up being bitter.In last episode he even talked about himself as a machine, that doesnt scream happiness
>>282713673You keep taking about Nasu trying to make it look like they're the 'official' couple yet you're using *fanarts*. That doesn't prove your point if anything it's the opposite
>>282713746the VN itself solved everything 22 years ago, that's how we know Sakura and Shirou won everything forever. this is just a celebration thread.
>>282691729Sakura is just the type of girl that makes a man go fuck it, Rin and Saber are too flawless which is good but it doesn't really touch the heart the same way a tragic heroine like Sakura does.
>>282713876Sakura is ridiculously perfect even in her imperfection. Shirou made the right choice.
>>282713673Funny how these characters have no meanigful interactions in F/GO, and how Muramasa erases himself from relatity to give Caster Artoria about one more hour of life.
>>282713573>Grow up, stop being misogyne and put a ring on that whore, after she gets bored of gangbang and incest!And then they wonder where Jamal memes come from.
>>282714125Yet an other timeline where Saber is unable to make Shirou realize his own self worth....that's sad
>>282710693But his ideals are gone in HF and he's in a puppet body. There is no chance.
>>282691729>idealswrong shero. protecting loli imoto is justice!
>>282715283oops wrong pic.
>>282715227You have the thought process of an unironic child. Shirou can become Archer in HF. Deal with it and abandon this naïve childish idealism.
>>282715816You mean like Shirou did in HF?
>>282713700Unfortunately for you, we have definitive confirmation from the story that Shirou ends up happy in Fate and UBW so your retarded headcanon doesn't matter in the slightest. You should stop spamming this thread over and over again with your illiterate takes. We all know that Sakura is the least popular heroine by far here as proven by polls, no-one is convinced by your constant desperate samefagging.
>>282715889Like Shirou *didn't* in HF.
>>282715227>>282715908Factually wrong anon. HF Shirou is the one that overcomes everything and becomes a real person.
Does Shirou ever kill Sakura in any if the routes ? I know he killed both Saber and Rin tho
>>282715999I really love how Shirou looks with Archer's arm. It's like the bitter version of himself merged with his present self which made him stronger. And as much as Archer said that he didn't care about Sakura, he still lend a "helping hand" into helping Sakura despite her being the danger he has been getting rid of all his life (killing one to save many).Looks like even Archer grew a bit in this route :)
>>282716013Well he tries to in the mind of steel bad ending but Jamal rapes him into submission. Its actually a clever bit of subversion, as the phrase “mind of steel” actually refers to Jamal, not Shirou.
>>282715999Shirou in HF tries to become a real person, but in truth he is merely a pale shadow of Jamal. Its especially pathetic when Shirou tries to emulate Jamal’s sexual appeal by attaching a black guy’s arm to his body. Like yeah right buddy, just because Jamal isn’t here doesn’t mean that you have a shot with his girl.
>>282716013rhinofags btfo
>>282716013She's so worthless and subhuman he let's others do it instead of sullying himself.
>>282716324>jamal and ladarius killing rin in a single instant after hearing her hurtful and insensitive remarks about sakura’s racial preferences
>>282716013Sabercucks and rhinoshits are just that insignificant for his overall story.
Is Jamal Nasu’s self-insert?
>>282716466h-hot
>>282716466>Saber is the STRON- AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE NOT THE WOBBLY PUNCHES! SHIROU-KUN! SAVE ME! THE JAPANESE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS TOO STRONG!
>>282713105This is quite the projection because the jannies and mods actively shield Sakurafag shitposters and trolls who flood and spam and ruin threads but get pissy any time someone ridicules Sakuracucks like the trannies they are. Jannies and mods are just lazy niggers, hence why ACK bait gets left up for a whole day often. But Sakuranigs wouldn't be Sakuranigs without the distinctive massive persecution complex.
>>282716370So he doesn't.The only heroine Shirou can't bring himself to kill is Sakura despite her being the biggest threat of the 3. Gee, I wonder what Nasu was implying when he wrote that
>282692484>282692495>282692526>282692544>282692584>282692600>282692625>282692643>282692666>282692709>282692721>282692733>282692749>282692757>282692786>282692800>282692835>282692846>282692855>282692886>282692900>282692964>282692996>282693005>282693172>282693468>282693607>282693653>282693719>282693747>282693770>282693787>282693801>282693839>282693909>282693946>282694125>82694175>282694482>282694551>282694663>282694957>282694976>282694989>282695019>282695049>282695097>282695116>282695149>282695170>282695181>282695194>282695211>282695276>282699028>282699060>282699394>282699485>282699904>282700032>282700201>282700480>282700549>282700573>282700594>282700621>282700684>282700707>282700772>282713037>sabercuck passing as rhinofag got mass deletedGod bless Nasu for choosing Sakura&Shirou as the canonical soulmates of FSN.
>>282716628What Nasu was implying is that Jamal’s psychic aura (and threat of rape) blocks Shirou from even the thought of hurting Sakura, despite the many reasons he has to kill her (infidelity, race mixing, obesity, etc)
>>282716628He is prepared to kill her in Mind of Steel and only doesn't do it because Rin is even more determined to do it. Coincidentally, that is also the only ending where he kills Rin. Of course, it does says a lot that Sakuratrannies are so desperate to engage in dishonest, bad faith argumentation for petty brownie points.
>>282692498Jamal…
>>282716729Winner's privilege, you know, given that Heaven's Feel is the canonical route and all.
>>282716729So he can't kill her and instead let his own sister do it as if it wouldn't traumatize Rin but it's not like Shirou cares.Sakura remains the only heroine Shirou can't kill :)
>>282716688Are these numbers a code? Something to do with Jamal? Hmmm
>>282716779Amazing that this wording has never been changed in a single rerelease of FSN.
>>282716797Each number is jamal’s body count in a given dimension. Body count of course referring to the combined number of sexual partners he has had and the amount of racist POSs that he has killed.
>>282692498La’Darius...
>>282716819Fr. Espacially cause she called it "Sakura-route" :) I know that Nasu said that all routes were equals (or something similar) I think he meant equals as one is for introduction, the other for the middle part and the last one is for the conclusion. Just like in a book, those 3 developments are "equal" but there's only one ending
>>282692498Tariq...
>>282692498Lashawn...
>>282715227Nasu says it is possible. That means it is possible, your opinion is irrelevant. It can happen. If you think it can't, then you simply do not understand how far the mushroom can and will go.
>>282692498Kobe...
>>282692498Nariq...
>>282692498DeAndre...
>>282716791Killing Sakura completely mentally breaks Rin and there is no suggestion in the scene that Shirou lets her do it to save his own sanity. The entire point of MoS is that he does go insane and that letting Rin kill her is basically like pretty much his killing Sakura himself. The only reason Rin is the one who kills Sakura in MoS is because that ending is contrived as shit and there needs to be a reason for Rin to lose her mind like Shirou does as well.Of course, you already know this. Just like you know that Sakura has dogshit characterization and is vastly inferior to any other character from the main cast, which is why you have to cope like this.
>>282692498Malik...
>>282696529>Interesting since Nasu said all route were equal.This Taiga thing was from times before Last Episode came out, what she says doesn't matter at all.>didn't improve Saber's route like fans were asking for..hmmmI don't remember seeing any saberfag who wanted an improvement to the route. The only problem in the route is the first half because it has to be an introduction to the VN as a whole. It's perfect other than that.
>>282692498Trayvon...
>>282692498Demetrius...
>>282692498Darnell...
>>282692498George...
>>282698465True, an equal chance of zero in all routes
>>282716984The biggest problem with the fate route is that Jamal isn’t in it. Nasu could have easily wrote Jamal into a minor role like killing Gilgamesh or have a scene where he makes love with Sakura but he wasted that opportunity
>>282716962>The only reason Rin is the one who kills Sakura in MoS is because that ending is It's because Shirou can't do it himself, that one of the main plot of HF. He said he would do it and didn't move, even Rin realized she had to do it. But he could kill Rin and Saber. Just like he gave up Saber in UBW and gave up helping Rin when Taiga was in danger. He even thought about killing Rin to protect Taiga, in her own route.
>>282717084If Jamal was in the Fate route, even for a single frame, that shit route would instantly go from a 2/10 to a 10/10. Jamal is much like King Midas from the hellenic period, not only in his regal aura (he is a King of his own after all) but also in his ability to make anything he touches far more valuable
>>282716895That's clearly not what he said.https://desuarchive.org/a/search/filename/FSN_themes/
>>282717084King of heroes isn't losing to a mere Jamal. Even Nasu's hacks have their limits.
>>282692498Kanye...
>>282717155Uh dude check HF, Jamal literally kills Gilgamesh without breaking a single sweat. I get that we’re all fatebros in this thread so I won’t hold your lack of knowledge against you, but you really should educate yourself.
>>282692419No one would complain about HF being endgame if Ilya were the heroine. The problem is that Sakura is worst girl.
>>282717150Where does that contradict what I said ? Fate/UBW even with their endings are still not the end of the story since HF is the final route.
>Realta Nua>RN>Real NiggaThe truth has been in front of us this whole time, we were just too blind to see it. Jamal is real, Nasu has been trying to tell us for twenty years.
>>282717183i don't care about BBCs in Fate.
>>282717228that's why Prisma Illya is still the most important Fate fic.
>>282717113>It's because Shirou can't do it himselfIn reality:>"So you won't mind even if I kill Sakura?">"I have nothing to say. But if I can take your place————I will.">"No, this is my role. I can't give you this role."https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20310/Shirou offers Rin to kill Sakura. There is no hesitation whatsoever on his part. If Rin demurred, he would've killed her sister.>He even thought about killing Rin to protect Taiga, in her own route.You mean how Shirou continues to like Rin even in Sakura's own route and chooses to meet up with the former at the school at the latter's expense on Day 7; and how he continues lusting after her even after he is in a relationship with Sakura. I understand why she would force him to watch her getting fucked by Jamal, she needed Shirou to feel humiliated like she did.
>>282717231Every ending is equally canon and each route resolves Shirou's issues in their own way. Please deal with it.
>>282692853A better man?So proud of Shirou raising Shinji's child.
>>282698212>Space Ishtar literally started the decline of FGO by taking so much effort and drawing no money.People are really buying /fgog/ propaganda?
>>282717290Are you sure it's *Shinji's* child? The kid is pretty dark skinned all things considering.
>>282717261>> The vn called Sakura a relative of Rin right before she goes to kill her.Shirou, who can be impulsive doesn't move a finger and said instead "if I can i will".He can, there's no practical reason for it not to do it but still doesn't do it and let Rin carry this burden. >>Having killed Matou Sakura, Rin will go mad unless she obtains the Holy Grail.And Shirou let that happen. If the crazy priest realized that killing her own sister would broke Rin, so did - Shirou who has ptsd from losing his own family, still did nothing.
>>282717280>>The first route shows his fanatical way of thinking, the second route shows a solution, and the final route shows another answer for him as a human.Notice how Nasu doesn't say that Fate offered a solution/answer for Shirou ? It's fine if the readers think this is the ending more fitting for him, doesn't mean the story ends here.
>>282717476isn't the sequel based on Fate route?
>>282717427Shirou is not impulsive. He is reckless only when it comes to protecting and saving other people because he feels he does not deserve to live when so many others died. He wants his death to be a meaningful one which would recompense the dead of the Fire for his debt. He doesn't care about dying when saving others because that would make his death one that gives meaning to his having survived the Fire. He is not an impulsive personality as such. There's no reason for him to make an impulsive decision to kill Rin.The "crazy priest" in MoS is Nasu's mouthpiece. He predicts that Shirou would win on no real basis whatsoever and even that the final confrontation would be between Rin and Shirou. He only knows that for storytelling purposes. He knows Rin would go mad because Nasu needs him to for his contrived narrative. Shirou doesn't know Rin as well as he does in UBW so your saying he should perfectly predict her reaction is just your projecting your own desired reading into the text. Nice backtracking from your claims in >>282717113. You got caught lying and don't even have the basic honesty to admit your wrong.Also hearty kek @ your dodging how Sakura is a cuckquean in her own route
>>282711838Actually it was always a lead to understanding Ilya was best girl.
>>282717476>Please think of them as different answers.Reading comprehension bro...
>>282717547Nope, most of the sequels follow HF's route
>>282717668Shirou isn't a doll in any of the sequels
>>282717326I always suspected that Shinji was a nigger, but I didn't have proof until I saw Shirou raising his child.
>>282717668Sakurakeks on /a/ have always been bad faith lying pieces of shit inventing nonsense out of thin air and dishonestly skewing facts out of petty resentment and tribalistic derangement, but this is a new low
>>282717645Yup, different answers because 2 of them are wrong and one is right since only one of them is called the true ending of the game, I hope that helped.
>>282717747>but every ending is equal.The clause "think of them as different answers" follows upon and clarifies "every ending is equal". The clear intended meaning is that each route is a different but equally valid answer.Stop coping, mentally ill loser.
>>282717703I always liked the theory that Shinji was La'Darius' best friend and a member of Jamal's posse, which is why the Nigger Raping Bitches and Destroying Pussies Squad so suddenly appears in the plot of HF after Shinji is killed. It's portrayed in a very subtle way in the VN itself.
>>282717668Heaven's Feel solves the story for good so there's really no need tbqh
>>282692459>partnerEw.
>>282717668No?HF has no sequels. The ending is already perfect.
>>282717975POSTED IT AGAIN REWARD*rings triangle*WHOAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH BUDDDDDDDYYYYYYY LET'S GOOOOOOO FELTEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDHE'S KEKEDHE'S INSECUREHE'S SPAMMING TO COMPENSATE FOR HIS INADEQUACIESHE'S IN LOVE WITH A USED GOODS WHORE
>>282717724They seem sane though.This thread proves it.
>>282717975Agree but Hollow/ataraxia still exist
>>282718876>entire thread is just Sakurafags circlejerking with their low IQ illiterate interpretations of the VN as they desperately try to meme their delusions into reality due to their insecurities>rest of it is funnyposting owning Sakurakeks' feelings too hardTake some meds for your schizophrenia, freak.
>>282718129I agree. Jamal, Keyshawn, Sha'NayNay, DeKendrix, Hakim, Barack, Tyrese, and Shaniquon fucking Sakura as Shirou watches is truly the perfect and most fitting conclusion to the themes and narrative of HF.
>>282716779How did this one screenshot cause so much anger?
>>282719727There's way too many racists denying Sakura's love for Jamal whose backwards chud minds can't comprehend how stunning and brave Nasu is for depicting an interracial couple in such a frank and forward manner.
>>282719727They're channeling their inner Shirou and can't cope with reality either
>>282720286Shirou is extremely supportive of Sakura and Jamal's love for each other. He even lets Jamal fuck his bussy for Sakura's sake.
>>282720379wow thats awesome
>>282720286It's really tragic, honestly.
>>282716779>guaranteed replies.jpgDishonest post.
>>282720989I don't understand? What's dishonest?
>>282721355Bringing up canon ig, since "all routes are equals"
>>282691729crippling brain damage fixed his shirouism
>>282720857I know. It's really stunning and brave of Nasu to depict a relationship where Sakura refuses to have conventional sex with Shirou and only ever femdoms him just to further humiliate his manhood when he sees Jamal and his posse dominate her. Not that he has touched her in months kek.
>>282721355They can't accept that HF is the true ending for FSN.
>>282722389Jamal...
>>282691729Because HF is the canonical route thus Shirou finally grows up.
>>282722389Tyrese...
>>282722389>>282722474D'Jquay...
>>282722389>>282722474Dontae'...
>>282722474They really can't handle the truth.
>>282722389>>282722474Quindon...
>>282723051>Quindonlol that's actually a name. Like Quinton and Don combined.
>>282717319Check her fanart and sales numbers. Ishtar and Eresh are the only decent Rinfaces in FGO.
>>282691729His ideals were based off his personal trauma and the broken ego he developed as a result.
>>282722990And they never will. Nasu mindbroke the sabercucks/rhinofags for good.
Damn people are pretty harsh on Sakura. She was kind enough to not tell her story to Shirou in the first two routes, and because she was barely present Saber and Rin ended up being relevant. But ultimately Shirou had to grow up
>>282698212>Space Ishtar literally started the decline of FGO by taking so much effortHer design takes too much effort?
>>282724347Correct. He ultimately had to realize that he had to pay reparations as a honkey to the hood brothas and let Jamal and his posse fuck Sakura and then him in the bussy. So mature and virtuous of him. He truly became a hero.
>>282724425Her 3 sets of animations.
>>282725043And you just know it was because they were trying to upstage Kama.
>>282725126Yes, and they failed miserably.
>This entire threadWhat the fuck is going on.As to the intro question, Shirou initially made the same mistake that Kiritsugu did in thinking that he could be EVERYONE'S hero by shouldering their bullshit though in a less pragmatic way than his adoptive father. HF really hammers home just how useless that ideal is and worse how ultimately self-destructive it is via Archer and the Mind of Steel bad end. He had to learn that being someone's hero meant having to commit to them, to spurn others for the sake of being the hope someone truly needs much like how Kiritsugu found hope again after finding Shirou in the aftermath of the 4th War.Tl;Dr Heaven's Feel is Shirou getting the do-over Kerry WISHES he got before getting Angra Cancer
>>282691729Nasu's message for HF is that pussy > ideals. Simping is the only way to live
>>282725461seething wormfag, lol
>>282725126>>282725461You can stop replying to yourself. Only Jamal is allowed to do that.
>>282725724Sakura mindbroked the Rinfags hard.
>>282726149More like Jamal broke Sakura's HYMEN and Shirou's BUSSY HEHEHEHEHEH
Sakurafags like Sakura because they were raped as kids just like her
>>282725724You didn't understand anything in HF. AT ALL. As to be expected of a Madocuck poster. Kill yourself, shitstain.
>>282692994I think it's one chapter behind at the moment.
>>282691729Nasu is a woman. Her true intended message with FSN was "men should throw away their dreams to care for damaged goods".
>>282726447Who is Jamal??? Is this something from grand order?
>>282726578t.
>>282725043Pffff. Aesc, the third-generation alter of Artoria has three entirely separate character models and sets of animations.Now THAT is the power of Seiba.You are honest-to-God retarded if you think that designing pngs is expensive on F/GO's budget scale.
>>282727632>Nasu is a woman.He's not. Otherwise Gil would have been the main character.>Her true intended message with FSN was "men should throw away their dreams to care for damaged goods".Women do not identify themselves with damaged goods. They may pretend otherwise for the sake of politics/looking good on the net, but their writing betrays them.Women viscerally despise nice guys who get one-itis for damaged goods.Women only appreciate one-itis in gigachads who can and do get ALL the pussy, but somehow get fixated on the heroine.
Rin is the best of the 3 heroines. IDK how anyone likes sakura, shes annoying
>>282729764Shirou...
>>282729764calm down, Johnny
>>282729764Nasu...
>>282729764God...
>>282729764Archer...
>>282729764All of /a/...
>>282729764Sakura...
>>282730075The Tohsaka sisters look so beautiful together... Weird that Sakura chose not to use make up though.
>that samefaggingNasu truly broke the rhinofags
>>282730648They're going to Jamal's house btw
Can someone explain the history of the Holy Grail? What was the Einzberns' plan/goal in the Holy Grail War?
>>282731374The Einzberns wanted to ethnically cleanse the African population of Fuyuki city. A powerful dark man named Jamal appeared and defended his posse (every black man in Fuyuki) successfully. This provoked the wrath of the of the 3 families: Einzbern, Tohsaka, Makiri, who summoned servants in the holy grail war to destroy Jamal and his posse. Through careful diplomatic maneuvering, Jamal was able to secure an alliance with the United States and repelled the 3 families in the first 4 holy grail wars. It was only through the Trojan Horse of Sakura Matou that they were finally able to subdue Jamal by transferring her worms into Jamal's Penis, which put him into a state of constant, painful orgasm. Nasu went back on his earlier statements and clarified that Jamal actually knew about the worms and made love to Sakura anyways, being enthralled with the woman he could only describe as 'pure sex'.
>>282731679>Einzbern, Tohsaka, MakiriThe Makiri? Who are they? I thought they were the Matou''s?
>>282726770>As to be expected of a Madocuck posterWho is Mado?
>>282731374To win so that they can unlock true magic
bump
>>282694703>And we still chase the same star we once sawThat doesn't mean Shirou was unhappy, by the way. Having a dream you can chase with all your heart is very lucky.
>>282691729>Heaven Feel>Shirou's canon endingturbo based
>>282735803Jamal is lucky...
>>282691729HF is the fanfiction route so naturally characterization is an afterthought.
>>282736725Sakura and Jamal make the canon, anon. Deal with it.
>Jamal mindbroke the Sabercucks and Rincucks this hardThey're clearly so envious Jamal doesn't get to please their waifu while humiliating Shirou kek
>>282725724Great explanation which is pretty obvious to see if you've *read* the whole VN. :)
>>282737766>no analysis of Jamal>read the whole VN lol
>>282737766"Reading" the whole VN =/= interpreting a few scenes in an unholistic manner in HF alone without understanding how it thematically relates to Fate and UBW FYI
>>282725724>Shirou getting the do-over Kerry WISHES he got Why in hell Shirou needs a do-over? Kerry blew up half the fucking city and orphaned Shirou (unintentioally, but as the direct result as his actions) at the end of the Grail War he got involved in because he was trying to atone for his earlier choice of choosing lives of hundreds and thousands of strangers over his foster mother. Kerry is a miserable man mind-broken by a chain of highly contrived horrific events, who copes by trying to be a father (before he gets murdered for his effort).Shirou, on the other hand, just genuinely likes to make as many people happy as is within his power. As was said above, he was pretty happy in the kitchen. DESPITE knowing that magic exists and he can do it, he realises that his seigi no mikata bullshit is something from the realm of fantasy. Until King Artur starts dueling Heracles in his backyard, you know. And he doesn't need much time to adapt to the new reality. Shirou's actual character flaw is being a betabux doormat incarnate. HF is where this flaw gets exploited to the max, not fixed.
>Shirou, on the other hand, just genuinely likes to make as many people happy as is within his power.Look like you missed the 249353 times the VN calls Shirou an hypocrite.
>>282738197>Sakurakek shows he didn't understand the VN again lol
>>282695026Rule Breaker was indispensable to freeing Sakura from Angra Mainyu, though.
>>282738174>he was pretty happy in the kitchen. Yes and no. The entire point of UBW is that Shirou's guilt over the fire renders him incapable of feeling happy for himself and undeserving of human fulfillment; he thus can only ever feel happy making others happy. When interrogated by Rin about it, Shirou confesses that there isn't anything that makes him happy as he feels unworthy of it. Shirou likes cooking because people enjoy his cooking. He doesn't enjoy the act of cooking for himself. The central thrust of UBW is Shirou's realizing that he wants to be a hero because he does want to be happy and enjoy his life like all people do, but that his trauma over the fire renders him unable of properly relating to that desire. Shirou's resolution to his inner conflict is to embrace being a hero on his own terms by only pursuing it insofar as it makes him happy, which is why the route ends with Shirou's choosing to go to London with Rin, because being happy matters to him more than the ideal in the abstract, and Rin makes him happier than being a hero. If there is one common thing across all of the routes, it is the theme of the redemptive and salvific power of love, and Shirou's being healed by the his love for the heroines and their love for him.Of course the problem is that HF is a mess because Nasu changed his mind on having Shirou die by the end, which results in the themes' being inconsistent and self-refuting. The route hardly deals with Shirou's "being saved", so much as it does with his being so broken that he can't deviate from his ideal in the slightest. There's nothing as such preventing Shirou from pursuing being a superhero after saving Sakura, as the entire moral dilemma of the route is a bullshit contrived mess anyway. The entire point is that saving Sakura is impossible, such that Shirou hasn't really changed, so much as exchanged one impossible for another, Shirou's redefining what it means to be a hero so that he can remain true to himself.
>>282738174>>282738868That Shirou never truly changes is profoundly central to the route, and Rin's telling him that she can't convince herself to save Sakura *because* it is impossible but she admires Shirou for being the same boy who wouldn't stop trying to jump over those poles too tall for him. Kirei tells Shirou that he would make a good anti-hero, a scapegoat for someone else's sins. Except Shirou chooses to sacrifice himself not for an abstract humanity, but for Sakura in particular; and in doing so, he *does*, in a shounen-esque fashion, save humanity from Angra-Mainyu. There is a clear thematic intent of saying that minor acts of love and good will towards those close to us can be as significant and powerful as grandiose acts of heroism.And that's what makes the constant samefagging by Sakuracucks ITT so funny since HF is by far the most unrealistic, shounen-like and outlandish of the three routes. Which is why it is so comical that they insist on Shirou's having "matured", when Nasu only chose to spare him as a pity party for Sakura. Which is why the dogshit HF True end only focuses on Sakura and not in the slightest on Shirou, his only characterization being that he still likes Rin to show Sakura isn't insecure about the strength of Rin and Shirou's bond anymore. Nasu took Shirou's strong arc in HF and turned him into Sakura's consolation dildo. It's quite sad.
>>282738761Your armpits are loaded with perspiration, phimosis-conditioner Sophia.
>>282738868>>282738874>more textwallingrhinofags/sabercucks.......
Shirou is not happy in UBW or even Fate. He's too burden by his guilt to feel genuine happiness. That's the whole point of Rin in UBW, to highlight that while both are magus and training hard only Rin enjoys it. Shirou doesn't like doing magic, it's only a mean to an end - helping people. Lucky for him, HF happens and Shirou realized that he didn't need to magic to bring happiness to others and to feel it.there's a scene where Sakura cooks for him in HF where Shirou basically thinks "oh so this is happiness" a realization he never came accross in Fate or UBW.
>282739051Uh oh... it's seething...
Shirou is described as happy in several scenes in Fate and UBW.>It feels really great embarrassing someone you like.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20184/>Yeah, that makes me happy.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20204/Cope and sneed.
>>…It was really fun.The town I only used to walk by…I didn't know all the things I didn't involve myself in were so meaningful.As soon as I think so, something like a cage falls on me, and I understand.I don't deserve this.I'm unworthy of all this.It tells me so from deep down within me.Yes, this is clearly what a happy man would think. Thank you for the link.
>>282739051Nah, he's happy in all 3 routes. Fate and UBW is just short-term happiness due to his ideals.
Wow. I can't believe that a character at the start of an arc has flaws that he doesn't at the end of it. Sakurakeks literally do not understand how time works.
>>282739323True. Only getting fucked in the ass by Jamal could make Shirou truly happy.
>>282739050If Shirou can take Jamal's dick that's two times longer than those posts, you can learn to cope with them too.
>>282739421>the arc: the VN>the flaws: his ideals>the end of it: HF
>>282739421So HF was the true end then. Thank you, anon.
>Sakurakeks arguing like little children againEnjoy Rin cucking Sakura, I guess.
>>282740107The only getting cucked is Shirou. By JAMAL
HF > Fate > UBW
>>282739323Guess Shirou didn't get the memo, he's too busy thinking he's unworthy of happiness in Fate and ubw which explained why he chased a ghost all of his life in Fate
>>282740084they won against everything, even destiny itself
>>282740265He did though. Read the VN.
>>282694799
>>282695090>>282695687I MADE THIS PIC!
>>282694703Literally Rose in Titanic jej.
Gotta love how Shirou couldn't get rid of his suicidal coming mechanism in both Fate/Ubw routes (despite both of the heroines being heavily present in UBW!!) and only managed to do it in HF. Sakura really did that
>>282716779
>>282739051>there's a scene where Sakura cooks for him in HF where Shirou basically thinks "oh so this is happiness"Why is he happy when she cooks for him? Is it because he's always the one cooking and doesn't actually like it?
>>282740302Why is it "A meeting that should have never occurred?" The hero and villain aren't supposed to end up together?
>>282720286Yeah. Hard reality where HF route was made irelevant long time ago.
>>282740720Shirou likes cooking; he's just being a tsundere about it—partly because he thinks cooking is more suited to women.The point of the scene was to show that Shirou actually enjoyed being the one taken care of (just like in the scene where, despite his protests, Sakura stayed home when he was sick—and he admitted he was happy she did). It's also about how the guy who had a hard time smiling all this time finally found something that makes him happy: mundane things and, again, being cared for.
Average conversation between Shirou and Jamal:https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSk-4RDfW90&t=239s
>>282740691>suicidal cumming mechanismSakurafags be wildin for real
>282740846>Sakurakeks literally don't even understand pivotal scenes of the "romance" they purport to "like"Yikes...
>>282740886Shirou cries like a faggot in bed too
>>282740750It means that it's such an unlikely meeting of polar opposites that their meeting can't have been anything but a work of fate.
>>282740966Tears of joy from being railed by JAMAL
>>282741014It was all the work of Jamal, anon. He was the true mastermind behind it all. All so he could fuck both of them in the ass.
>>282691729>EasilyLol. Lmao even.
>>282691729OP is bitchless
>>282741448And Shirou is Jamal's bitch kek
>>282691729because shirou is fucking retarded
>>282741014>It means that it's such an unlikely meeting of polar opposites that their meeting can't have been anything but a work of fate.That's nice, and how the title of the work is called Fate. I guess they have similarities in that they were forced into roles, but changed their fates?
>>282742024Yeah, Shirou saved Sakura from the path of evil, and Sakura saved Shirou from the path of heroism. They're a yin-yang couple that complete each other.
Sakura didn't really have control for the majority of the finale did she? She's basically a different person in a Sakura skin for the final few fights. It's like how you wouldn't say Saber is the same when she had none of the sense of justice or personality of the base form when she got grail corrupted.
>>282742136She's not being directly controlled the way she was when the shadow was rampaging in her sleep, but Angra Mainyu was corrupting her mind to amplify her negative emotions. Her actions as Dark Sakura are her actions, but with the caveat that it's her with her filters forcibly weakened as if she were drunk. Of course, even that ends up being rendered moot in the end when Angra Mainyu forcibly restrains her to get its way when she tries to reject it.
>>282742273You're telling me Angra Mainyu was inside Sakura? He knew every nook and cranny of her body?
>>282743534Cute. How is this bad again?
>>282742052perfection
>>282742052Well said :) Tho i'm sure people could write pages about how Sakura saving Shirou from being a hero is wrong
>>282738868>>282738874Well said.
>>282744196Some people just can't accept Jamal's sexual prowess.
>>282691729You can just stop playing at Fate if you don't like UBW, you can just stop playing at UBW if you don't like HF, simple as
>>282716779It means that there's nothing more to tell, you retard fuck, Zeltrech just being in HF literally proves that all routes are canon
>>282746598>Zeltrech just being in HF>proves that all routes are canonI think you contradicted yourself there.
>>282740691Shirou canonically lives out a happy life with Rin in UBW.
>>282727665It's a meme from retards that love negro dick, pay no mind to it
>>282746729There's no need to call Sakura a retard just for enjoying the rods of genteel African stallions, anon.
>>282746707Rin is the one that brings out Zeltrech, is Rin missing from any of the routes, also i meant that just by being there it proves, not that is only there, it's everywhere, it just flew over my house
>>282746785What even is this reasoning? Zelretch observing a timeline makes it canon, and HF is the only route he appears in. It's not about the character, it's about the timeline.
>>282747269So Zeltrech it's extracting power that doesn't exist???Quite the paradox you're getting in, anon.
>>282747269all of FSN is about sakura's destined meeting with shirou actually, they're the whole idea revealed at the third arc.
>>282747377They're tired after getting fucked by Jamal for the 50th time that day. So lucky...
>>282747269Except HF is inextricably tied to multiple different timelines, since if the other universes where Rin is extracting power from with the Zelretch Sword didn't exist, there wouldn't have been a fight between her and Sakura at all. Each timeline that Rin takes mana from remains in existence instead of getting pruned alongside HF.And no, Zelretch does not make things "canon" because canon is not a diegetic component of the story.
>>282747344>>282747855The alternate universes existed at that moment. Zelretch observed the timeline afterwards.>Zelretch does not make things "canon">ゼルレッチが観察しちゃうと、それは事実になっちゃう
>>282748031And in doing so observed the other timelines as well. Try to keep up, phimosis man.
>>282691871go away newfag
Zelretch might be an even bigger cuck than Shirou. Literally observes the HF just to watch Jamal plow through Shirou and Sakura like a chud (Chad + stud).
>>282748134All Rin took from them was raw energy. There's nothing for him to see.
>>282748031Zelretch doesn't set Quantum Timelocks dumbass.
>>282748298Nasu said he does. Deal with it.
The great irony of /a/ Sakuralolcows is that they are simultaneously obsessed and seething about Rin, but within their own paradigm, Sakura only ever gets to be happy entirely because Rin is so based and epic she gets Zelretch to approve of her. Their entire pet obsession that isn't even real rests solely on Rin's shoulders. Maybe that's the reason they seethe so much in the first place. They can't cope with the fact the only reason Sakura will ever be with Shirou is because of Rin's charity and magnanimity. Must sting.
>>282748244By this logic Zelretch doesn't even observe timelines, he only ever observes events within timelines, such that everyone sans Rin would get wiped out within that timeline. Sheer nonsense.>>282748323Nasu also said Shirou never gets to fuck Sakura but only ever gets to jerk off to Jamal fucking her. But alas...
>>282748323That's not what Nasu said, dumbass. QTLs have nothing to do with Zelretch. So much disinformation in this wormnigger thread
>>282748440He says that if Zelretch observes a timeline, it becomes the true one. Those are his literal words.
>>282748323I don't know why you bother, anon. Look at the thread.
>entire thread is just Sakurafags ignoring anything that refutes them or exposes their bad faith argumentation and then crying like faggots people don't respect them and choose to troll them insteadLearn to embrace your suffering like Shirou embraces Jamal's BBC in his bussy every night.
>>282748692>every ending is equal.
>>282749159Yeah, and CCC was his last work.
>every ending is equalexactly. it's not because one is called true ending in the game that it's more canon than the others
>>282749507Does Jamal make fun of your phimosis too? Maybe he tells you the HoLOLcaust is a joke too to make you cry like a faggot.
>>282699977Love isn't rational, anon.
>>282692280I'd rather KMS than accept other men have nutted in my gf's ass
20 something years later and you stupid motherfuckers are still arguing about the same shit
>>282744959>Tho i'm sure people could write pages about how Sakura saving Shirou from being a hero is wrongWhy is it wrong? Is it selfishness?
>>282750762Rin and Jamal mindbroke the Sakuracucks unfortunately
>>282751039They just want to self-insert in a shounen superhero. HF makes him normal with Sakura and Medusa.
>>282751727>Sakura and MedusaSounds like an ending a self-insert would want
>>282751727HF Shirou is a more of a shounen superhero though.>>282738868>>282738874It's funny wormkeks keep trying to meme this retarded idea into reality, when the route features Shirou's arc getting sidelined for Sakura's sake.
>>282752140That's the opposite of what happened. Originally, Shirou was going to die no matter what, thus sidelining his relation with Sakura in favor of focusing on Sakura's sisterly bond with Rin. Nasu letting Shirou live in the end meant that Shirou was allowed to be more than a sacrificial pawn, developing as a character and ultimately getting rewarded for it rather than having his character arc end with him getting punished for his development.
>>282696576Shirou and Shiki are explicitly written to be self inserts.
>>282752761Subhuman mentally schizo nonsense. Shirou has no development to be rewarded for in HF. The fact that there has to be extrinsic forms of recompense through plot contrinvance just exposes how intrinsically unmeritorious this supposed development is. Clearly didn't read the posts (like how you didn't read the VN).
>>282699707Different Emiya servants, like his Alter version that went against Kiara and killed Taiga
>>282695129Arc looks more like Gil than Saber.
>>282717668All the sequels follow a new mixed route like Nasu always does since he doesn't like to commit.They seem to be taking mostly from Fate and UBW tho.
>>282717280Unless he's put in a position where he's forced to choose between the few he cares about vs the many faceless masses or other larger groups of people then he's not even actually facing the problem his ideals bring, it's just being ignored until the offscreen future.
>>282691729Boobs
>>282753145>Shirou has no development to be rewarded for in HFHe learned to focus on saving a single person instead of the world and became human, as mentioned in >>282692552.>The fact that there has to be extrinsic forms of recompense through plot contrinvanceYou say this as if the consequences of removing the Shroud of Martin weren't contrived to begin with. The concept of transferring souls into another vessel was heavily foreshadowed throughout the entire VN. Illya already did it to Shirou in Fate, and Zouken was constantly switching bodies to extend his lifespan. Also, we get to see the ending where Shirou dies even in the final VN. That ending only focuses on Sakura's perspective, completely ignoring everyone else, while True is the one that focuses on the other characters as well. Seems like you're the one who didn't read the VN.
>>282753531It's not written by Nasu anyway.Also unlike Fate and UBW, HF can't be milked. It's not open-ended.
>>282753758>He learned to focus on saving a single person instead of the worldThis was already addressed.>>282738874>Except Shirou chooses to sacrifice himself not for an abstract humanity, but for Sakura in particular; and in doing so, he *does*, in a shounen-esque fashion, save humanity from Angra-Mainyu. There is a clear thematic intent of saying that minor acts of love and good will towards those close to us can be as significant and powerful as grandiose acts of heroism.>and became humanHe's still the same machine he always was, channeled towards a different goal.>You say this as if the consequences of removing the Shroud of Martin weren't contrived to begin with. The whole of HF is a contrived mess, retard. The whole moral dilemma is an absolutely contrived mess, and Shirou's ultimately succeeding at saving Sakura is itself a contrived mess.>while True is the one that focuses on the other characters as well. Already addressed.>Which is why the dogshit HF True end only focuses on Sakura and not in the slightest on Shirou, his only characterization being that he still likes Rin to show Sakura isn't insecure about the strength of Rin and Shirou's bond anymore. How's the perspiration on the phimosis, Sophia?
>>282753784It was written by Sanda and Nasu and made to be used in most future post F/sn works.I di wonder what that means for Sakura since Nasu said she's not getting a happy end in the other routes.
>>282753926>"already addressed">it's just you seething about HF and asserting headcanon that's directly contradicted by Nasu's words and the VN itself (the ending where Shirou dies still exists, and is the one that's actually focused on Sakura to the detriment of the other characters)I accept your concession. I would suggest actually reading the VN instead of calling people names.
>>282754404>doesn't address a single argumentJamal's cum tends to make people smarter, so I guess you were even more subhuman before prostrating before His Majesty, huh?
>>282754201>and NasuIt's only Sanda for Case Files.
>>282754404Neither Shirou nor Rin receive any characterization in HF True.
Shirou gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Jamal.
>>282754966The timeline was written together since it's meant to be used fpr other works as well.
>>282755666What works?It just lists the dates. Nasu isn't writing any more FSN.
>>282754404You got them alright.
>>282757892This is getting extremely pathetic. Performative celebrations will never effect your delusions of victory into reality. Your insecurity is obvious for everyone to see and bad faith argumentation won't make the meanie beanies go away. And it won't make Jamal go away either.
Rinfag is sexually enamoured with Jamal. You can tell he's gooning to every one of his posts about Jamal's sexual prowess
>>282759069Cute and canon
>>282691729Because a lot of things speeds up after previous routes, you already read about all of those things and they aren't going to explain everything once again.
>>282762253It's called the true ending for a reason.
>>282763350Because Jamal wins and fucks Sakura and Shirou in the end, of course.
>>282753048If someone can easily self insert as a sword schizo who has suicidal tendencies without being suicidal and want to be superman, well...
>>282753048What the?Those 2 are written as mentally ill.Can people actually self-insert?
>>282748692Still not a Quantum Time Lock, secondary.
>>282765490>tertiaryshitThis is Fate/Stay Night, not Fate/Grand Order.
>>282740671Good job anon.
>>282765414>>282764784Yes?Are you guys new to fiction or something?Even isekai MC have a personality even if it's an unlikable one
>>282765520And the whole "Zelretch observing a timeline is what preserves" is not in the VN, but tertiaryshit.
>>282766142>author talking about the VN>tertiary
>>282766142So is that "canon" timeline chart UBWfags like to share.
Has Nasu ever even alluded to HF not being the TE in the multiple interviews he's given?
>>282691729because sakura was such a strong white knight bait that it just sucked up all of shirou's savior complex
>>282765702Black haired nice guy is not a personality.It's like saying Sieg from Apocrypha has a personality.
>>282766980Nope. Last Episode was just a bonus for the censored version as well.People only say it's the true ending because you have to finish the game for it.
>>282767269But I like Jeanne...
>>282766628>things from the author only matter when I say they dolol
>>282766980He's never alluded to HF's being "the true end" in the first place.
>>282770765Read the VN.
>>282692498/thread
>>282771157I have. Saber and Rin utterly blow Sakura out of the water in character development and romantic depth. That's why you have to cope like this. And then Jamal blows Sakura's pussy and Shirou's bussy.
>>282771228DeKendrix...
>>282771228JaTavious...
>>282771228Trayvon...
>>282771310Okay, I can get anons backing Rin's romance, but Saber romance was utter crap.
>>282771228Naquan...
>>282771228Woodrow...
>>282771310>Saber and Rin utterly blow Sakura out of the water in character development and romantic depth.That has nothing to do with whether HF is called the true ending (which it is: >>282716779). Seems like you're the one who's coping.
>>282771228DéAmbrose...
>>282771228Dejuan...
>>282772181The quality of the writing is the only thing that really, actually matters. Even if HF were "the canon route" (which it isn't), it would just be a consolation prize for Sakurakeks for its being the most thematically inconsistent and poorly written of the routes with the worst romance, and worst heroine, and with the only redeeming qualities being in elements unrelated or directly pertinent to the romance. It wouldn't change the fact that UBW Shirou has the best writing (and that HF Shirou's arc can only be understood if you properly understood his UBW counterpart -- which most Sakurakeks don't) and Rin is the best heroine. "Canon" does not actually exist. Only the stories do as such, and the quality thereof speaks for itself. As does the fact that Nasu has never ever endorsed this idiosyncratic interpretation in any interview ever and at no point has TM tried to emphasize before and after FSN's release that HF is "canon".Enjoy Shirou's getting cucked and fucked by Jamal though.
>https://desuarchive.org/a/search/tnum/282691729/deleted/deleted/page/1/>99 posts deleted and it's mostly just the one Rinschizo projecting and spamming names Holy fuck, man. How did Sakura mindbreak them this hard?This one guy just ruined Rinfags.
>>282772604Read the VN.You obviously only watch the anime, tertiary.
>>282772604>i-it isn't the true ending, even though the VN itself and Nasu says so!>i-it doesn't count anyways!Do rhinos really?
>>282772852How many black kids do you think this whore has sired?
>>282772852Look at this thread, anon.You're replying to Rinfag who's confirmed mentally ill.
>>282772733With Sakurakeks: every accusation is a confession.
>>282771228Gaymon...
>>282771228Gaynell...
>>282767269That's not really the personality of most isekai MC these days, do you think Ainz or any of the "kicked out of party" revenge MC are not self inserts?I mean regardless of opinion Shirou and Shiki being designed for self insertion is a fact.>Nasu: In terms of the main topic, I hope people will feel like they have just watched a great movie after playing the game. Tsukihime and Fate are more about projecting yourself as the heroes, seeing through the eyes of Shiki and Shirou while experiencing adventurous scenarios, where the players should feel they have played a very fun game. Mahoutsukai no Yoru is played in the third person, the players can't project themselves onto any characters. They can't place their feelings on top of a character, but instead feel happy being in the position where they can over see the complicated story between the three main characters. To be happy not only about a particular character, but about the world view, this is how I intend it to be.
>>282771228Rahman...
>>282773051Projecting again?
>>282773197Word-concept fallacy.
>>282772656You sound like you're gonna cry, anon. It's okay, I'm sure Jamal will comfort you.
>can use this thread to literally invalidate any Rinfag with the amount of cuckposting they got deleted forLmao
Reminder that her name is literally DARK Sakura, but bigots and regressives will still deny she got BLACKED. Nasu is just such a forward thinking author.
>he's still tryingI feel bad for the genuine Rinfags.
>>282773401https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/229975689/#q229996718
I'm not even trying, but I'm still succeeding.
>>282773612How does this invalidate that HF isn't the true ending again?
Uh oh! Freudian slip! He just admitted he doesn't really think HF is canon!!
>all routes(Fate, UBW, HF) are canon>HF is the true ending to FSN>this somehow invalidates Fate and UBW's existence despite different timelines existing according to this one Rinfag so he starts melting downWhy is this concept hard to grasp?
>shifting the goalposts this hardYikes...
>5 days of the Rinschizo spamming and projecting random black man names and failing to slide this threadGuess like UBW itself, it wasn't meant to be.
>>282771921And this is something even Nasu agrees with, to boot. According to official quotes from Type Moon, Saber's romance was poorly written, and Rin isn't tied to her relationship with Shirou the way the other two heroines are.>>282773765He's an UBW secondary newfag who can't handle it just being the middle of a larger overarching story.>>282773401Better yet, the mindbroken Rinfag is the infamous tldrhino/Rinshiroufan/4chan_refugee297 himself. So yeah, whenever he posts his garbage ChatGPT essays, just point out that he's nothing but a run of the mill election tourist whose bullshit isn't tolerated here.
