>rewatch utena>skip all the goofy cringe nanami filler episodes
filler doesn't mean what you think it means
>>282761968Fine. >rewatch utena >skip all the goofy cringe nanami episodes
was it consensual?
>>282761860you rewatch utena, but have you seen utena: penguins? what about utena: kappas?
Utena was mostly good for the music and visuals, the story was boring
>>282761860>Skipping all the best parts
I wish Utena would rescue me
B-but I like strong, prince-like ladies...
>>282761860Never post again
>>282761860>watch utena>skip pajeet nigger and pinkshit>love nanami
>>282761860Those are the best ones you gay retard.
>rewatch utena>skip all the disgusting akio episodes
>>282761860>rewatch Utena>skip all the repetitive filler duel scenes
Whats the point of watching Utena if not for all the goofy shit?
Utena is decent/good in places.Penguindrum is great.Yurikuma is meh.Saramanzai is shit.What's next for Ikuhara?
>>282761860I am currently watching it. What is the appeal of this show? My bewilderment after 13 episodes is gigantic, as I have not enjoyed anything past episode 1. And this nonsense goes on for 39 episodes?Is it really just the visuals and shot composition that's of note? Because it's not even Shafts best attempt in that area and shows up way too infrequently (aside from the constantly reused sequences).Genuinely having a hard time seeing what others see in this show because its reputation was known to me 20 years ago, but it's just .... a whole lot of nothing. Just .. nothing of note is ever being said.
It's been ages, but isn't Utena like 5 or 6 episodes?How would you skip any of the episodes?
>>282763657It's filled with the sound and fury of rebellious teenagers, signifying nothing (despite all the symbolism).There's probably about 20% good episodes, that are overshadowed by the aforementioned silly episodes, and dives on characters who really truly aren't relevant.
>>282761860>>282761984You have the shittiest taste on the board, congrats.
>>282764061How did you even get that number in your head? It's 39 episodes.
>>282761860I have never felt hatred for a human being so much before. Cease your existence, NIGGER.
>>282763657It was very impressive, influential and revolutionary at its time but it did not hold up all that well. The movie is better.Nanami is best girl though.
>>282764986I think, because I watched it along with a few other series that were already old at the time (in the late 2000s) and there probably was some short OVA among those.You are right. Sorry for the brainfart.
>>282763657>What is the appeal of this show?Gnostic schizo themes, rape, and mentally ill women fucking each other over for no reason. All of these become more prominent in later episodes though.
>>282766262Are you thinking of FLCL for some reason?
>>282763657I've only seen like half of it but I think it's similar to Lain where people only liked it because of the aesthetics
>>282766650Possibly. Only started watching anime in real-time after the turn of the century, so I guess, it felt more like an OVA to me.
Nanami is literally the 2nd closest person to revolution, and her story is basically a cheat sheet for the rest of the show.
>>282766789Doubt it. I’ve seen more doorstopper length blogposts from fans about its themes than anything else barring Evangelion at this point.
>>282763657Cycle of abuses, different perspectives on how they operate, and breaking free from them all are shown in an allegorical way through duels and music. The other anon also said gnosticism, which can be a good key to view the whole series. All of that is based on Terayama's movies and plays. Terayama’s plays, creating chaos from the combination of two things that don’t belong together, revues, and angura (a movement in opposition to Shigeki "frequent breaking of the fourth wall and direct interaction with audiences, bizarre costumes and makeup, intensely emotional outbursts by characters, and fantastic and phantasmagorical elements" basically Utena) Despite people linking it to gay or and feminist themes its message is more universal, and while it's certainly about the role of a woman I don't think that's the main focus, the focal point is on the abuse the characters face not as women or girls but as victims due to various circumstances that have very little to do with their sexes.
>>282763657>What is the appeal of this show?It’s a coming of age story about achieving gnosis. A hopeful but realistic parable directly targeted at people who live listless lives and have given up at longing for something better. Yurifags only like it for the relationship that really only shows up in the last three episodes though.
Thanks for the replie >>282763657It helps giving me something to look out for.>>282767146>>282767182I already tried to view the plot from a thematic angle (Ikuhara after all), but couldn't find anything solid aside obviously from the role of women by EP16.Gonna attempt to view it from your angle, as I can see that line of thought make sense by the end, but filtering all the fluff and pointless dialogue will be a challenge.I could even see myself forgive the recycled shit if it's a message of a cyclical fight. However, if that all turns out to be pseud shit by the same kind of people who like Ergo Pr*xy, I will be VERY very angry.
>>282761860Seeing as how Utena was made in response to Ikuhara’s frustrations working on Sailor Moon and having to fight for creative control, is Nanami supposed to be a deconstruction of Chibiusa’s character with her Electra Complex? (only this time being replaced with a brother complex)
Didn't she get nutted in by an Indian?
>>282761987She's 14. You can talk teenagers into doing all kind of stuff they'll regret later because their brain hasn't matured yet.
>>282763292What about 90’s Sailor Moon?>Saramanzai>shitNot if you’re a fujo it’s not.
>>282768591SM was an adaptation.And fujo or not that show was much weaker than his better works.
I'm so sick and tired of pretending like I'm the only one who didn't enjoy Utena. Glad to see others who share the same apprehension
>>282761860>rewatch utena>have no taste at all and eat shit
>>282769824If you don’t think Utena is a literal masterpiece then you’re just a brainlet who got filtered.
>>282769287>SM was an adaptation.Still counts because even though the base concepts were from Naoko, Ikuhara made it into his own show and practically everything that deviated from the manga were his ideas.
>>282770736You're probably a womanly faggot with weak wrists if you like Utena.
>>282761860>Nanami was my favorite character>Hated pretty much every single episode that focused on herThese things really shouldn't both be true about one character in one show, yet Utena managed to pull it off.
>>282771266>Hated pretty much every single episode that focused on herBecause you’re a tasteless faggot, there is no bad Utena episode. It’s perfection from beginning to end.
>shills for incest in Sailor Moon>presents it in a negative light in UtenaWhat did Ikuhara mean by this?
>>282761860Needs MOAR COWBELL
>>282772589>The main villain and rapist in Utena is a brown pajeetWhat did Ikuhara mean by THIS?
Nanami episodes are the only good ones after the first arc.
>>282772892Every Utena is good if you’re not a brainlet pleb.
>>282772589Incest is just a kind of romantic relationship. And like any kind of romantic relationships, there can be healthy ones and unhealthy ones.
>>282775963The incest in Sailor Moon wasn’t exactly healthy either and he still portrayed it positively compared to Utena.
>>282761860Someone should do a version that skip all the reused footage too, and then we'd end up with like 6 episodes of content...
>>282776392I'd love a fan edit of that serie desu.
>>282761860>Watch Utena.>Post online that she wanted it and that AOC laws are stupid as far as adolescents are concerned because they have sex drives and should have the right to fulfill them any way they want. The answer is always education, never prohibition. >Human trafficking is bad, and there are plenty of anime that gloss over slavery like it's just lore.>But Akio should not be working for the school if he's going to be fucking the students. That much is true.>Everyone either appreciates this opinion or if not they usually agree to disagree.
>>282778084I'd say Akio was in the wrong for being manipulative, but age difference is not really the problem, it's just the manipulation itself, and relationships between teenagers can get quite unhealthy too, so it's not something exclusive to age gap relationships.
>>282778403And the murders.
I'd love to take some of these contrarian zoomers to a theater sometime and then listen to their hot takes...
>>282778403The reason AoC laws are a thing is because it is incredibly easy to manipulate teenagers. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Akio is reprehensible as a human being because of the manipulation, but it being a bunch of teenagers makes it worse because they don't have the experience or awareness to see his bullshit for what it is.
>>282761860>>282761984The nanami episodes are critical to understanding utena.
>>282779121This is still coming from a viewpoint that sex is inherently manipulative and or unhealthy. Utena was fine with the sex it was just Akio was an asshole, so she pushed him away. Learn this shit early.
>rewatch utena>only watch the deeply philosophical and funny nanami episodes
>>282781636Sex is inherently manipulative and unhealthy though, it's ungodly. Jesus said that looking at women with lust is an unforgivable sin
>>282781636>Learn this shit early.adults have power over children, all you're telling children to do it endure sexual abuse from adults and shut up about it
>>282778084having sex with children is human trafficking and sexual abuse in itself though. you're just a pseudo intellectual pedophile. any group that doesnt have legal rights is by definition taken advantage of when exploited for sex
>>282772589He's back to shilling in Penguindrum, though.
>>282781684Hell yeah.
>>282782170>PenguindrumWasn’t it NBR there though?
>>282781744>>282782120The superiority of the west is founded on its pederast culture. Seethe and cope.
>>282763657watch rose of versaille for the same story but more concrete presentation and drama
>>282761860Nanami Filler episodes werethe only good thing about that mediocrity You faggot.
>>282783466I don't watch disgusting feminist propaganda.
>>282783466I watched RoV and Utena back to back for the first time for both series. It was a great experience.I liked Utena more, but I think RoV is better as far a literary value goes.
>>282783383>pederast culture. That’s Japan though.
>>282767703It helps if you get the structure of the show a little bit better. The "recycled shit" is recycled for a reason. The first arc is an introduction of Utena and the Student Council. The next arc, the one you are on, you should be able to spot that there are parallels between the Black Rose Duelists and who they steal their swords from. The final arc things will start to make more sense and can be viewed as a direct development from the first arc.A couple guiding questions to get you going:How are each of the Black Rose Duelists similar to their Student Council member? How are they different?If the Black Rose Duelists parallel a Student Council member, what about the first and last Black Rose Duelists?What do duels/swords represent?What are each of the characters dueling for, what drives them?A lot of anons get filtered because of a pink hair, boyish protagonist and a story with feminist theming, but the show is has so much more to offer without ever getting preachy.
>>282783383pederasty is the one thing not exclusive to the west lol
>>282786492>A couple guiding questions to get you going:no thanks, this isn't school or tvtropes. i enjoyed rose of versailles without having to "ask myself questions". utena just sucks and is so far up its own ass it forgets to be enjoyable or coherent
