Was Higurashi Gou the worst anime squeal to ever exist?
>>282786140No. It was good.
>>282786140>Ruins the original ending for the anime>Ruins both Satoko and Rika characters for the sake of the plot>Everyone is acting OOC for the sake of the plot >90% of Sotsu being Recaps>DBZ battle as grand FinaleIt's easily not just the worst Anime sequel I've ever seen, but the worst anime I've ever seen by far
>>282786183That is a cute renner. I have saved her to my phone now.
>>280817565 reread what I posted last time. I'm not repeating myself
>>282786140It was only bad because Ryukishi didn't write a full script for it only a outline
>>282786409doubt it, his most recent work is solid proof he completely degenerated as a writer
>>282786409No it was bad because Ryukishi thought up the idea in the first place. Now he spends his days bitterly defending the shit ideas in Gou by calling all his haters fake fans
>>282786409If the outline of the story had the other characters be completely ignored in favor of just Satoko and Rika being the only significant characters, the story is fucked at it's core.
>>282786140Possibly a dumb question (I have Not seen this lne) but are those two as much as dykes in the sequel as that picrel makes them look?
>>282786567Most writers don't have an Umineko in them even in a lifetime of work and struggle. He had one great story and that's fine.
>>282786567He doesn't even know what made the original Higurashi successful in the first place, he talks about how much he regrets writing it and how it would be a completely different story if he wrote it today in the latest afterparty
>>282786581Is he still seething about that game he cancelled because>Muh war VN can't continue because Russians killed nu russians, I mean, Ukranians!!!
>>282786767They become different characters by the end of the original story and those new characters went on to be a part of his most famous work. Gou is revisiting the earlier one with the path they would end up on together in mind.
>>282786793>seethingHe's seething about no one giving a shit about Ciconia and it being a massive financial flop so now he's just using any excuse he can get out of writing a story that embarrassed him
>>282786140Unequivocally yes. I'll never forgive it for how it treated Rika and Satoko.
>>282786767In the original story not at fucking all lmao, Satoko literally confess to Keiichi that she loves him during the original story. The only thing that could be considered partially yuri was Rika thinking to herself how much she needs Satoko in her life and that she wishes she could keep her in a cage like a pet but it's completely one sided.Gou makes it so Satoko is completely obsessed with Rika and ONLY Rika, tossing away the rest of her friends like trash to chase Rika to some fancy school
>>282786801>different characters by the end of the original story and those new characters went on to be a part of his most famous workHigurashi Rei is literally about Rika separating herself from Bernkastel. Saying Bern and Lambda are Rika and Satoko dumbs down all 4 characters, especially Lambda who's more complicated to pin down.
>>282786789I'm really starting to wish he died instead of BT
>>282786789>Regrets writing it I doubt this. The early parts of higurashi are pretty rough to get through.
>>282786801I did watch the Higurashi VN s(except for the extra scenarios and In not sure if that part matters) and Umineko so if you were referring in the latter part about picrel, I know.But I don't know shit about this new sequel.So then it's a Yuri story after all, huh?
>>282786863>BTwas this his editor? Pretty harsh thing to wish upon a person over some mediocre piece of media
>>282786865Modern Ryukishi is incapable of writing something like Tatarigoroshi ever again, it was a complete and total fluke.
>>282786886>TatarigoroshiMost people would list the sixth arc, what makes you give the third?
>>282786886Maybe he needs to work as a child protective services officer for like 4 months again
>>282786905NTA but it's the most effective chapter in the series. Satoko's situation is the most painful read through in the entire VN.
>>282786140>friend recommends higurashi>50 episodes later>that was pretty good>find out there's a rebootget fucked
>>282786882>mediocre Mediocre? You think this pile of burning dogshit is just "Mediocre"? Higurashi Gou released 5 years and not one day has passed by since then that I haven't fumed with disgust and bitter hatred towards that fucking hack for what he did to Satoko. It'd be one thing if he just tried to move on from Gou, but no. He refuses to bring me back my Satoko, from now on he'll only bring back Goutoko the disgusting fucking demon wearing the smile of my beloved Satoko. He violated her he ripped and tore her precious smile from me and from her, he stole her happy ending and for what for fucking GREED??? I hate him, I hate him from the very depths of my soul. My hatred for him has only grown with each passing day, I want him ruined I want him to be rotting corpse hanging from his ceiling his eyes bulging out of his head as his obese tranny body begins to bubble up with the rotting fumes of his decaying body. I realize now he was always a talentless fucking hack incapable of creating anything of true value without a handler by his side, did you know he originally wanted to deal with the Teppei situation with a fucking Club game gag? It was BT who reigned this fucking tard in from his most brain numbing ideas and now that he's dead he has free reign to tear and violate any character he chooses. He doesn't give a damn about Satoko or about her fans, she's nothing more than a checkbook for him to use and abuse as much as he fucking wants. The word hate cannot do justice to describe the burning black bile within my heart whenever I think about what he did to Satoko, he needs to fucking die
>>282786989I agree with all of this. Satoko was my favorite character.
>an entire sequel no one asked for just to make Satoko LD>LD's traumatic past is just not wanting to study
>>282786989>>282787078I still can't fucking believe the whole thing came down to one girl not wanting to do homework.
nobody tell him
>>282786905Tatarigoroshi is an absolute masterpiece in writing IMO, where we the reader slowly fall in love with Satoko alongside Keiichi. Shedding our previous perception of her as brat from the last two episodes into a little girl who's just lonely. I still fondly remember the short but sweet conversation Keiichi and Satoko have after spending the night at Keiichi's house cooking him dinner where Keiichi talks about how this new feeling is rushing towards his heart, something he's never felt before a calm but loving warmth I too felt that warmth seeing her sweet smile and when she called him Nii-Nii I wished for nothing more than to continue living these happy days where we could see her sweet wonderful smile everyday. And then when her uncle return I felt the same anxious dread Keiichi felt waiting for her to return to school, and the same worry and panic when she finally did return. As the days kept passing by and as her situation began to grow worse and worse I began to sink deeper and deeper into despair right alongside Keiichi to the point where I wanted nothing more to KILL Teppei, and when Satoko finally broke I broke too. It was the first time a piece of media managed to bring me to such despair, such agony over something that wasn't real but in that moment she was real to me I remember being filled with dread worried that Keiichi would do NOTHING like he did before in the previous two arcs until it was too late... but then the world colors inverted and everything froze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wb-tFSRCnU&list=RD0Wb-tFSRCnU&start_radio=1All these new feelings that had begun to overwhelm me froze, and for just a second I felt as if my wish to change Satoko's fate was heard. Keiichi made his vow of revenge to OBLITERATE Teppei once and for all.The best thing about Tatarigoroshi was how Ryukishi was able to make YOU the reader descend into insanity right alongside Keiichi all because we couldn't help but fall in love with one lonely little girl
>>282786775ok? Just saying he doesn't have it in him anymore to create something goodalso interesting that you consider Umineko to be his "one great story", I personally quit somewhere in ep 6 because of how frustrating it became to read over time, even though ep 1 was really really cool
>>282786920That faggot would just tell the kids their trans or gay or some shit now and fuck up their lives even more
>>282787226I'm agreeing with you? Most people don't have it in them to begin with is all I'm saying. He burnt out, but in the process he made a very good story and some decent ones. I feel like I'm more happy about what he did right than disappointed in where he fell off.
do people really seethe that much and struggle to easily ignore the new shit they don't like? if you think it retroactively ruins the original vn then you are retard. gou is easier to detach from what you consider canon because not only it's side story, it came out over a decade later after the original
>>282787298>all new Higurashi works is set after Gou>most new fan art is based from GouYeah it's fair to hate this piece of trash
Luv me 'tokoSimple as
>>282787247>Gay marriage is badGo back
>>282786140I can name five anime sequels worse than this
>>282786183The very original and LN are a clusterfuck with random bullshit every two seconds. This wasn't off the mark in terms of ridiculousness and it was funny unlike most iterations
>>282788804>The very original and LNJesus Christ anon go easy on the drugs
>>282786409No it was bad because ryukishi came to the anime staff with a script as thick as two dictionaries and passione was not only unable to adapt it (so they did lots of cutting) but they were untalented and unable to adapt the artistry. I'm sure his prose version of the chandelier falling was beautiful but they just gorified everything. It's like trying to get shmayalan or the explosions and transformers director to direct a war and peace adaptation.
Gou/Sotsu wasn't just not additive to the WTC lore/world but actually took away from it since it destroyed canon for nothing more than being an attention grab anime to shill their new gatcha mobile game which failed not long after.At least we had some good fun theories for like 2-3eps before everyone with room temp IQ called out the easy to see answers. Also the Teppei memes.
>>282788759 there's not a single person on all of /a/ that's seen more than three animes
Like with every writer, Ryukishi's works are hit and miss. People are blinded with nostalgia about Higurashi, that's a fact. Umineko was his arguably best work. Fans were speculating about Bern and Lambda connections in Higu for a decade. Gou last 6 episodes were amazing and pretty much only retarded Higu-only haremfags were unhappy. Silent Hill f plot is alright, game has issues with presentation though.
Higurashi? Surpassed.
>>282786581He also said that you can just pretend that Gou/Sotsu didn't happen as they were just "one possibility of the fragments"I'm not sure how the works were received in Japan but I'd imagine you don't pull that card if you were entirely satisfied with how they turned out
>>282786140As far as Higurashi is concerned, everything after the end of the VN is irrelevant and you should not waste a second on it. Just read the VN and stop there. That's it.
>>282786989To be fair, Satoko was easily the least interesting character of the main cast in the VN.
>>282789511Just stop at Minagoroshi, really, Matsuribayashi is retarded after the connecting fragments bit.
>>282786409manga was slightly better but still failed to stick the landing
>>282786767Youāre just mentally ill, anon.
>>282786767they're as gay as naruto and sasukewhich is quite gay
>>282786183Trvke
>>282790067>Matsuribayashi is retarded after the connecting fragments bit.That shit filtered me. Why do you introduce "gameplay" 100 hours in
Why did he even need to connect Higurashi with Umineko? I thought Higurashi and Umineko fans can't stand each other.
>>282786989Anon, you might be completely 100% correct but hating Hackyhackshi 0Hack this much isn't healthy for you. Just sit back and cherish the true and real Satoko, and ignore his defiled and disgusting Goutoko. Ciconia Phase 2 will never happen, everybody hates the new Silent Hill; he will soon disappear and the true Higurashi will outlive him. Trust the plan, and your cute smug imouto will live on forever.
>>282786140I don't know, it did give us JK Satoko.
>>282793193big boobs are hot on her
>>282787247He literally wrote an entire scene where "God" tells a spirit that all souls have a sex that can never be changed. You're taking a joke scene out of context.
>>282786775Umineko wasn't very good. Ryukishi lost it around there and can only write good episodic stuff like Higanbana (but even that starts to fail because of his faults as a writer, being preachy and all)
>>282786831>Rika thinking to herself how much she needs Satoko in her life and that she wishes she could keep her in a cage like a petIt's really just one line that gets spammed a lot while ignoring the hundreds of other lines showing Rika's more conventional bonding/friendship because people really want their pet BDSM yuri
>>282786989I'm not saying you're wrong but you should respect death more anon it's a big deal.
>>282786989>did you know he originally wanted to deal with the Teppei situation with a fucking Club game gag?Qrd/sauce?
>>282789362>People are blinded with nostalgia about Higurashi, that's a fact. >Umineko was his arguably best work. Fans were speculating about Bern and Lambda connections in Higu for a decade>haremfags>[part of Gou] was amazingI always knew Uminekofags were retarded but it still surprises me to this day
DAIICHI NO COURSE
>>282786831Is there a dumber motivation than "I suck at studying" for repeating cycles of murder and abuse with your best friend? It still baffles me.
I would've taken an adaptation of the Rei Manga with the second gen characters.I would've taken an adaptation of the Mei Gachaslop, atleast that one has more leeway with the randomness and has more characterization than Gou/Sou.Wtf was the plan with Gou and Sou? Half of it is just the OG Higurashi, the other half being a cluster fuck of bullshit which is rehashed shit from the original VN with only 5 to 10% being actually new content.
>>282797055The worst part is that they didn't even NEED to reconfirm that. If they just *removed* some dialogue lines people would be free to extrapolate Satoko's motivations being "she's afraid of change" "she wants to go back to simpler times" and so on, but no they HAD to give Rika and Satoko dozens of lines about studying in the final episodes. It's crazy
>>282796920Take your mark...
>Will never get an anime appearanceFucking sue me, she deserves it more than Satoko's melty which destroyed Higurashi's reputation.
>>282787207Tatarigoroshi had such freaky energy. I loved every scene where K's sanity takes another dip, to the point he thinks his own random wishes cause calamities.
>>282797226Tatari is really good because it's really paranoia that dooms the surviving characters, no hallucinations. Just circumstance being so bad. The murder scene and the execution details (how awkward the killing is, how annoying disposing of the body is...) are also top notch
I still haven't watched Sotsu since Gou kind of bored me by the end, is it worth watching if only to get a conclusion?
I recently read through the VN for the first time ever pretty blind, I loved it all even if it was a slog some of the time. Can I just watch Gou/Sotsu or should I read Rei/Hou first? I wanna see what makes Gou/Sotsu so bad.
>>282786140It has loli catfights so it's at least a 5 for me
>>282797326Only if you feel it's necessary to see it to partake in the discussions and shitposts.
>>282797326No, it goes full retard.
>>282797349Read Rei/Hou first. Everything is infinitely better than Gou and Sotsu. Once you get to the latter two you will feel baffled by the stark difference.
>>282797349Rei is a direct sequel to the main arcs so yes, go aheadI forgor what Hou wasGou/Sotsu will actively ruin some of the characters for you. I lost interest in Higurashi for years because of it. But you do you.
Speaking of R07, is the story of Silent Hill f good? I just want to know if ryukishi can still write cool horror.
>>282797349>I wanna see what makes Gou/Sotsu so bad.Just watch Gou/Sotsu then. It's self-evidently bad.
>>282797349>I recently read through the VN for the first time ever pretty blindyou don't need to watch/read anything else
>>282797349The best thing to do after reading Higurashi is reading Umineko
>>282786183Rena suffered badly from the redesign. The old one was so much better.
>>282797616it's not very good, I don't know if I'd call it offensively bad but honestly it lacks subtlety (as always) but doesn't really have compelling parts to make up for it>>282797349>>282797645Gou is already bad even in the remake parts. Of course it gets a lot worse once you get to the original story parts but the weak writing already shows its ugly head even in the first remake arc Keiichi just kills Rena with a clock while surviving her stabbing his guts over and over with a knife
>>282797349based higu bro! fav chapter?
>>282798289>spoilerI remember all the wild theories in /a/, only for the truth to be obvious and boring. I should've dropped it then and there.
I didn't expect so many replies, I guess I'll read Rei/Hou they seem short and then go Gou/Sotsu before I check out the other adaptations.>>282797829I plan on reading it but not for a while, I heard it can be even more of a slog than Higu at times and by Chapter 8 Ryukishi's constant recycling of info was starting to get on my nerves.>>282798533Hard to say, probably something between 1, 3 and 7? 1 for being a fantastic introduction to the mystery and horror, 3 has probably the hardest emotional beats and is painful to read (in a good way), and 7 is an extremely heartwarming tale and promotes a very beautiful theme (the theme of the entire game but it's best in 7 I think), 3 would probably be my overall favourite if not for having the weakest SoL parts. 2 and 6 are also really good, 2 suffers from having Mion being the weakest of the club members imo (she's good, it also introduces Shion who is awesome), 6 is fantastic but suffers from the "constant repetition within a singular scene" a lot, which goes for a lot of the Kai arcs. 4/5/8 are the weakest, they all have good stuff and none of them are a waste but there's also stuff I don't care for.
>>282798911I think 5 is actually 2 but good honestly. Shion as a character is much more compelling than Mion and the gay drama in EP2
>>282786140Shion was in the right
>>282799144The early parts yes Shion is more interesting than Mion so that stuff is great, but at a certain point it just feels like it's going through the motions once the "twist" is revealed, so in that way it's the most boring of the Kai arcs, whereas the mystery of 2 was really interesting to think about reading it the first time, so it has an entertaining 2nd half. Maybe 5 is better, they're pretty close to me.
>>282798911I still think Tatari is the best overall, but Shion's decent into madness the 2nd half of Meakashi is one of my favorite parts of Higu.The early parts of 7 were a bit of a slog but I think it has some of the most powerful moments by the end, if only Rika fucking remembered any of it.
>>282798911Cool! 6 is my favorite because of the roof scene!!! And ryukishi's first chapters are always great! (well, by always i mean higu and umi)
>>282799527The roof scene is probably the most Ryukishi thing on the planet, it's like a total embodiment of his writing style imo, both good and bad. I don't fault you for having it be your favourite chapter because of it, it's probably THE Higurashi scene but as fantastic as it was, I thought it was a bit overtly long. Maybe it's just because I'm a JSL and I read Higu blind in Nip for the first time but as much as I loved it, I do think you could reasonably cut like, 10~20% of all characters in the script and lose nothing, Ryukishi loves repeating himself, and I felt it a bit in that scene.
>>282799693yeah it was pretty long although i think i'm used to longness when it comes to VNs haha so i just allow itoh you read it in nipponese! impressive. i read clannad in japanese which probably has easier language, but it was wurf it
Guys, I think R07 really hates school/studying. Just a feeling.
>>282790029She had the best chapter. People who only watched the anime wouldn't realize Tatarigoroshi was peak fiction.
>>282790029What? It's Mion and it's not even close.
>>282797905She look good in Gou, that anime have a lot of bad things but Rena is not one of them.
>>282800325>Mion finally gets her own arc>she behaves the exact same as Shion10/10 writing, R07 did it again.
>>282786151/thread
>>282799527I love the roof and the hostage scene. Some people say the roof is too much but it's very meaningful in context. K1 couldn't save Rena with words, nobody could, but he could reestablish a sense of closeness, empathy and love through shared activities like they used to do.
>>282788858>It was bad because the studio only skimmed the top of his shit sandwich!The very concept of Gou was fucking garbage anon there was no "fixing" it
>>282789501Pretty hard to do that when every new piece of Higurashi work we get has Satoko doing witch eyes and snapping her fingers like in that Higurashi doujin writing story Ryukishi just released. He's a coward piece of shit who's only saying that so he can deflect some of the hate despite having ZERO intentions of dropping the shit Gou did
>>282800569Gou Rena looks so strong but then jobs to a clock
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>>282790029Lmao? I don't know how anyone can think this unless you're a anime only retard who never read the VN. Satoko is by far one of the best characters in the story without a doubt, her steadfast loyalty to her friends, her strong will to endure the unendurable. The fact that the main reason why she picks on Keiichi so much with her traps is to help him feel more welcomed and skip past that awkward intoduction fake niceness period, and the fact that she's doing it so much towards him just because she really likes hanging out with him but is Tsun about it. Satoko refusing to show her weaker vulnerable moments beneath her cheerful bratty mask, seeing that side as weak and why Satoshi ran away giving her the strength to beat Shion in her twisted mindgame on the cross. I found her to be way more intresting than Mion or Rena to be honest since she felt so real at least to me
>>282792817He's a hackfraud who wanted his own MCU
>>282793173I remember being ecstatic when Silent hill F was seeming like it'd flop hard, it was like all that weight on my heart just disappeared at once it was the first time in years that I was able to get some sleep without hearing Satoko's cries or screams I was so happy...Now though I don't know, it seems like Silent hill F will be a somewhat success and all the new waves of obnoxious faggots coming in from just how woke Silent hill F is may mean even more endless Ryukishi simps kisisng his ass and praising Gou so I'm still worried. Ah it's such a frustrating feeling
>>282796227All of this because of fucking Gou, these obnoxious retards didn't exist until then. They retroactively skim the VN for ANYTHING to support Satorika while tossing away everything that goes against it as not counting
>>282801283>SatorikaIt's worse than this. They want to claim Satoko and Rika's relationship was ALWAYS BernxLambda. Rika was always an inhumane piece of shit whose only fate is to become Bernakstel as soon as Higurashi ends and Satoko joins her on that path. Even though this is a story about friendship, a group of peers. Human peers. It's so fucking bad.
>>282800946Based satokpostert. Rennerposter
>>282786140I like how they aged up Rika and Satoko so I can enjoy their body without feeling guilty.
>>282801255Let go. Most people who matter have already acknowledged R07 was a hack, 5-15 years ago. Gou is just another bump on the road. A big one but it's not a novelty. Take the good stuff and disregard the dumb shit, they can't take away the good Higurashi from you.
>>282796312Death is the final curtain call on someone's life and actions, no more can they create or destroy. I feel like writers should have more respect for the works they create and for the fans who holds said works near and dear to their hearts, do you think Ryukishi "respected death" as countless Satokofans fell into deep despair over what he did to her? I know a few artists who completely lost it with grief and some of them have left the internet all together. They could've possibly killed themselves and does he care? NO, he doesn't give a single fuck about what his actions have caused or what they bring so fuck him. If wishing death upon him damns me to hell so be it I don't care all I care about is Satoko >>282796353Pic related from the Higurashi Booster pack interview
>>282796693You literally have to be retarded to think Episodes 5-8 were good
>>282801397They're far better than anything Umineko.
>>282800621I truly despise that arc in Gou/Sotsu, holy shit it's like they took every opportunity to misunderstand the twins
>>282797080>I would've taken an adaptation of the Rei Manga with the second gen characters.>The same manga where the main girls sexually torture the main villain with his baby age play diaper fetish while Keiichi listens outsideAnon I...
>>282801440I still can't tell who's Mion and who's Shion
>>282800946the only problem with Satoko is how little of the chapters about her are actually pushed forward by her, 90% of the time she's not there and it's the rest of the gang struggling to figure things out.
>>282801374Again I'm not saying you're wrong but if you've seen people close to you die you'd get where I'm coming from>>282801456How the fuck did he get away with it
>>282801456WTF higurashi is written by diaperfag?Why wasn't his fetish included in the main series? I would've liked to see the main girls sexually torture Keichi like that pic
>>282786140It was an attempt at something thatās for sure.
>>282797349Rei has Saikoroshi which was supposed to be the epilouge for Higurashi but with Gou existing now it's up in the air if it's even canon. The other two stories in Rei are just gag chapters desu. I forget if I'm thinking of Hou or Hou+ but the arcs in them were created AFTER Gou so I wouldn't read them till you watched that shit stain of a anime first so you can see Ryukishi desperate to defend Gou and call you a piece of shit fake fan for not liking it But in my opinion if you want an actual conclusion to Higurashi then read Kokoroiyashi-hen instead of Saikoroshi, it's a lot more in line with the heart of the series and was written by Higurashi as an alternative to Saikoroshi just as equally canon as a Epilouge. The only issue his he wrote the story and decided just to have it as a short manga instead so there's no VN chapter about it so take it as you will if you want to read it online here's a link to a website that has it (Shame about Mangadex getting nuked I even scanned a anthology book hoping it'd get translated and uploaded there...) https://vymanga.com/manga/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kokoroiyashihen
Does someone have the manga page where K1 is bondaged and there's this PS2 only character sitting on him in a swimsuit?
>>282797616It's actually fucking garbage, the entire plot is just Hinako not wanting to get married and so she goes on a drug filled rage and murders her family except not really since it's all in her le head. most if not all of the endings are dog shit and the one where she gets married is just pure NTR trash
>>282798911Who's your favorite character anon!
>>282786989Agreed.
>>282799527I like 6 a lot too but that was when the cracks began to show on how Ryukishi cannot write a proper serious scene that doesn't end in tragedy that seriously at all, the second those kids started cheering for Keiichi OR Rena to win was the first time I started cringing hard while reading Higurashi
>>282786905nta but the third was also my favorite. The tension building and powerless atmosphere leading up the the moment Keiichi decides is great. If you've ever known someone who has been in an abusive situation, those feelings are very, very real. The descent into madness afterwards is also well done. I enjoy stuff like C&P and Lost Highway, so that may be partly why I like it so much. I'll stop writing here since >>282787207 explained my feelings perfectly as well as the EXACT moment the chapter became my favorite.My second favorite chapter is 7, because it felt like a perfect resolution to 3. On top of that it was the absolute perfect resolution to the series with the town getting together and defeating the curse to save Satoko. 8 either shouldn't have happened or should've been an epilogue within the same timeline. The ending of 7 was so fucking stupid.
>>282800864I wish you and your group the very best anon! I think gatekeeping is the best way to keep discussions relatively good, I would join but I am far too hateful about the current state of WTC so I'm afraid i'd just ruin the mood but lets hope things get better soon!
>>282801255What's up with Silent hill F, what did R07 do this time
>>282801858filtered
>>282801331I'm honestly surprised Rikafans aren't as if not more upset about how her character was handled in Gou, the Rika we knew from the VN wouldn't dismiss or ignore Satoko like she did in St.lucia and she would NEVER Drag Satoko away from all her close friends since the group STARTED as a way for Satoko and Satoshi to escape the hell that is their lives. The entire group is like her family NOT just Rika and rika should know this. I swear the entirety of Gou was just such OOC trash to force Lambda Bern but in Higurashi and he ruined BOTH series by doing it. Oh but don't get me wrong I fucking despise SatoRikafreaks they're WAY more hatefilled than me and a million times more insecure when you try to imply that Satoko and Rika weren't always a Yuricouple. The worst part is they activley go after artists who draw Satoko x Keiichi or Rika x Keiichi hard too, a fucking plague on the internet
>>282786989Goddamit, I fucking lol'd reading this
>>282802170I think enough people are understandably annoyed that Gou's Rika forgot everything she learned in the original
>>282802170I blame these retarded """"fans""""" even more than R07R07 is a hack and a dumbass, but fans trying to gaslight everyone are even more annoying to me
>>282801283The satoko-rika shipping stuff is retarded but I don't think this line necessarily implies romantic love. Keiichi was definitely trying to be like a brother to her during that part. Anyone who thinks this series is remotely about romance is retarded
>>282797616i think the rough outline of the plot and themes were solid, but a failure in execution. There's too many plot threads and only 10 hours of game, so nothing really gets explored. The subsequent playthroughs are slightly different, but only meaningfully so with there being different lore notes lying around and some different endings. Fun mediocre survival horror with cool atmosphere and a handful of good story moments.
>>282799220this. FUCK child abuse victims.
>>282786989>Tatarigoroshi in real life but with Ryukishi as Teppei and a derange Satoko fan as KeiichiKINO
>>282802709https://youtu.be/0Wb-tFSRCnU?si=abKDxaiazqAaPY-a
>>282786793you forgot the previous excuse:>covid ate my homework
boning THE rika-chan. The secret illicit meeting behind the saiguden to reach into the secret compartment under the dress of the rika chama and investigate the nopan rumors. the hidden underground love hotel of Hinamizawa. I have boned rika 37,195 times. looping only for the purpose of bOning rika chama implanting my seed to renew the furude clan with my sprouting seed. observing the gentle plains of the chest of the rika chama through her nearly see through green dress while she looks at me with a curious expression. the unfortunate fact of finding out rika chama has already had her "red day" after I have planted her implanted my seed in her painted wall hidden chamber of the impregnation ritual tools shed. a usual walk around Hinamizawa with rika chama leading me on a leash and collar (???) domination by too much wine consumption induced rikastel alternate personality drained testicles dehydration induced blackout. accidental occurrence when the condom breakage causes illegal modification XXXXXX high speed police chase with my pregnant rika wife in the back seat due to a statutory rape. joke of a fragment timeline when rubber fisting glove mailed to furude shrine leading to local man death by prolapsed anus. Uneasy feeling when entering Furude residence, responding officer reports sensation like deja vu of immense pressure on groin and feeling of dehydration (the officer was me btw). The hidden rika chama doujin collection sealed for 1000 years to prevent evil thoughts from contaminating the earth is accidentally opened by local middle schooler and non stop 8+ hour painful erection. unknown how the rika CHAMA can possibly enjoy performing watanagashi with half gallon of my seed inside her causing a strange bulge on her stomach region ha ha. local photographer threatened by three FAmilies after capturing illicit rendezvous between furude shrine maiden and anonymous poster (you)
>>282801481I honestly don't really mind it because Satoko is the youngest one there mentally and most of her conflict comes from Teppei returning and her wanting to prove to herself that she's strong and doesn't need to ask for help afraid she'll push them away for good. Outside of that she really doesn't have much to do plotwise when it comes to the three familes so I can see how people can view her as not moving the plot forward herself. Which is why I would've killed to have a sequel focused on a older Satoko and I got my wish sadly like a fucking monkey paw
Sotsu was shit but Gou was disasterkino.
>>282803785Some parts of Gou I do still really like, but thatās only because the images, characters, tone, and music reminds me of old Higurashi. In terms of story itās still shit.
>>282803785Gou was already bad and stupid.
>>282786140It gave me JK Satoko with huge satokos, so it can't be bad.
>>282801483I get what your saying, death of loved ones is never a easy thing for their familes and such. However I feel like if you take certain actions like going needlessly out of your way to rip and tear the heart of one of your most beloved works then you shouldn't be surpised if people cheer for your death. If you truly meant to continue Higurashi like this then what we think shouldn't matter to him, he wrote the story HE wanted and he should accept the love and the hate he gets. But I seriously doubt he did it because he really believed this was what Satoko was going to be, he did it out of spite and greed so when he dies I will have zero pity or sympathy for him. I guess that's just how I see life >>282801483>>282801532Reiwa was honestly shit to begin with, what the fuck was he thinking killing nearly every ship and making Rena a knocked up single mother? It's obvious now that Ryukishi has a well known NTR fetish that just did not exist back when he was writing Higurashi but all you have to do is read his latest manga follow that bunny girl and you can see how much he gets off on the main heroines fucking other men while the MC is humiliated. Still Keiichi and Satoko's daughter Sakiko was the best part of that shit series
>>282801977>I enjoy stuff like C&PI really love Crime and Punishment too! I like to believe if Satoko and Keiichi weren't going L5 and delusional then when Keiichi finally confessed to killing Teppei then Satoko would've been less harsh to Keiichi and more understanding yet still very heartbroken over driving another one of her "Nii-Nii's" to this point...And the OST for this chapter was on another level I could feel how cold Keiichi felt after killing Teppei right as this song started playing https://youtu.be/n9TXKQNEB-U?list=RDn9TXKQNEB-U
>>282804186Some authors should just retire
>>282801893My favourite would probably be Rena, followed by Satoko and Shion. Rena for her incredibly relatable depiction of depression and putting yourself last before others and knowing about how happiness can tragically end, alongside being the most level-headed and reasonable of the group. Satoko is as Keiichi mentions at one point, imo the heroine of Higurashi, both as described in game by her soft/kusogaki sides reflected in Higu's SOL/Horror sides, but also in her "mean/prank exterior surronding an incredibly kind inside" way. The story and theme of Higu, about kids fighting against the old grudges and chains of previous generations that keep them trapped is told best and mainly through Satoko. As for Shion she's just really cute and I want to have sex with her.>>282801977This is my main problem with 8. Again I'm a pretty new fan I only started reading this summer, but 8's main problem is that the core theme and story of Higu concludes in 7. Keiichi and his friends break the curse surrounding Satoko and free her from the villages old-fashioned, judgemental ways. It's perfect, and chapter 8 doing this but with Rika and Tokyo just can't hit the same emotional beats, combined with the fact that it's largely just the exact same thing again. I don't know what most peoples issues are with the chapter itself, but I honestly didn't mind the stupid/silly shit, ala untrained students defeating elite mercs that outwitted regional police or Rika's timestop, as insane as that stuff is it fits with the central theme, chapter 8's biggest sin is simply the fact that it's just a retread of 7's themes with little new added. Chapter 7 should have just been a bit longer and worked as a good end for Satoko and Rika, and Chapter 8 should have just been a spin off that gave Takano's backstory and the fragment stuff for lore purposes.
>>282799220Shion was fucking hilarious. Chapter 5 was amazing
>>282800818What is this?
>>282802649Romance plays a part with all the characters anon, it's clear all of the girls like Keiichi in their own way and it's equally the same with Satoko. The whole chapter is pretty much a question on what Satoko and Keiichi mean to each other, it starts off with Keiichi seeing Satoko as nothing more than just a bratty friend apart of the group but the second he actually spends some one on one time with her he's smitten. However one of the core themes of this chapter is misunderstandings and how refusing to reach out and actually talk leads to the most fucked up ends, Keiichi begins to take this new warm loving feeling he's never felt before as something else other than romantic interest proclaiming this is how Satoshi must've felt when with Satoko. And with Satoko calling him Nii-Nii it only reaffirms that Satoko see's him nothing more than a temporary replacement for Satoshi till he returns and to try to be anything else would be a betrayal of Satoko's feelings. We see bits of how he really feels towards Satoko throughout the story wishing how he could see her smile for the rest of his life while digging Teppeis grave and how quickly he's becomes obsessed with her compared to the other girls despite spending far more one on one time with them compared to Satoko. The great tragedy of all this is that Satoko herself was feeling the same exact way Keiichi was, with her worrying about him only seeing her as a little sister that's why when everything falls apart and Satoko is fully exposed and vulerable before Keiichi seconds before she believes he's about to murder her she confesses that she knew he could never be Satoshi or take his role before saying that she loved him. It's another example of how if they had just been honest about their feelings about the secrets they had kept hidden deep within then there would've been no need for any of this, if Satoko had just told Keiichi the truth behind her refusal to ask for help this tragedy could've been avoided
Tatari > Mea > Oni > Tsumi > Mina > Matsuri > Himatsu
>>282793193>>282793445>>282804126Stop talking about boobtoko
>>282804359yeah they went full Hellish Nightmare after the killing.>yet still very heartbroken over driving another one of her "Nii-Nii's" to this point...This is the most fucked up part. Satoko would blame herself for his crime on part of her being too weak. Better than the abuse continuing to a worse degree, but still a bad end. That's why I'm so glad we got 7. Not only do her friends and the town fight for her, but it ALL boils down to Satoko fighting back herself in the end. Redemption arc for everyone. It was over the top in a very positive way. as much as i loved reading 3, shit is straight up misery porn.
Would getting some nii-nii dick have fixed her?
>>282786989Just accept that Teppei was right and that Satoko deserved to be abused.
they ruined satoko by giving her tits. my wife looks like this and MAYBE a little taller as she ages. she already looks the part of a hardworking housewife. very easy to imagine her wrangling her kids, while making dinner, putting her all into homemaking even if she's gotta work up a sweat. she's a good woman. keeps her husband on track too. you can tell she really cares about her family. i came home to a huge mess the other day.. the little ones got a bit too crazy with fingerpainting. when i walked in, i smelled dinner burning, the house was a mess, and the wife had multi-color splotches of paint all over her she looked a bit distressed from our wild kids. then when she saw me, i was worried for a sec, but she got that old mischievous glint in her eyes and flicked some of the paint on me, then the kids joined in. we all ended up pretty messy ha ha. dinner was a disaster, so we just ordered pizza and ate while still wearing out paint splattered clothes. couldn't have married a finer woman.
>>282805495Despite the weaker parts of chapter 7 like Satoko and Keiichi never actually getting a scene together after saving her from Teppei it was still very satisfying for it to have such a happy ending, I think the pure misery and despair in chapter 3 is what makes the success of Minagoroshi so much better seeing Satoko finally overcome her deep self-hatred and blame she holds for herself
>>282805541It would cure her loneliness for good
>>282805797Thanks for the post about your daily life K1!
Here's some fanfics that I like that's Satokeihttps://archiveofourown.org/works/67021522https://archiveofourown.org/works/53132920
>>282800983>He's a hackfraud who wanted his own nasuverse>fify
>>282786183>>DBZ battle as grand Finalekino
>>282786140No since it was a good sequel along with SOTSU especially since it show Satoko doing wonderful things such as reforming her uncle into a good and loving person.Satoko really saved people.
>>282806416If Mion was a loli I think I'd like her more
>>282805797I'm going to kill you and take this life for myself
>>282805797If that bitch ruined my clothes like that she would get the chair.
>>282805797you are a delusional faggot go jump off a bridge
>>282809487Seethe
>>282802008Thank you satokolover.
I wish it had Satoko raping Rika
Nice to see that Satokofags are still insane.
>>282796693I prefer Umineko to Higu but I hated Gou. I don't see what my fellow countrymen like in it. It feels like digging up a story and slapping its corpse around because R07 thinks he's so much better now.
>>282786140Bed breaking sex with Satoko
>>282811683Most Umifags are insane bootlickers
Damn, this thread is making me want to reread the VN and rewatch the DEEN animu.The only thing missing here are the rikafags, and rikafag sperging out. In hindsight, those were funny times.
>>282786140making it yuri made it better
>>282812752Why did all the rikafags leave...
>>282813012"That" poster made them collectively stop posting out of shame for being associated with him.
>>282786140Picrel was much worse but Gou is still offensively bad aside from everything about Satoko's uncle
>>282786140The original Deen adaptation is obviously better butt unironically has there ever been an anime adaptation of a visual novel that's on par or better than their source material?I just don't see the point of these adaptations when a lot of them later get versions with voice acting
>>282813025>>282813025They are still around, but dunno why they aren't in this thread.
>>282813069Deen was always shit.>Fate>UBW movie>Umineko Higurashi was an exception and even then it probably would have been better under ufotable.It's uncommon for adaptations to surpass originals (regardless of medium). Especially with VNs, but Ufo is probably one of the best at adaptations because of their animation, music scores, and general ability to keep to source content while offering different POVs or small changes.
>>282804598Fair points, 8 is more of a victory lap once you're past the big stuff (flashbacks and setup of the last day). It does deliver on lots of emotional beats but the core is in 6-7
>>282786140Thankfully I was able to forget it. The only image etched in my mind is a lame pedobait scene with unicycles.
>>282814127Yeah pretty much, and I like that victory lap for what it is but there's definitely a better way for it to be done.>>282801397What's wrong with them?
Read Higanbana.
>>282814409Nice try Ryu, but I'm never reading anything you've written ever again.
>>282814409>read first two chaptersMC gets raped by her teacher and becomes a toilet ghost for all eternity, that's too grim for my tastes. Which is a shame because Higanbana herself is cool. However she has to share her screentime with that other girl.
>>282814632It's episodic stuff, you should read the VN rather than the manga. Main girl doesn't really appear much actually.
>>282814641VN is what I read.
Satoshi deserved so much better.
>>282813069DEEN is fine, but you saying this makes me think you either haven't read the VN or you read it a long time ago. Meakashi is butchered in Dean
>>282814956At first I seethed about GouSotsu shafting Shion and Satoshi but after seeing how everything all played out I decided to be grateful they weren't around long enough to suffer character assassination.
>>282786140No, that was Sotsu.
>>282815660Gou was bad too
>>282815758gou was bad but sotsu was infinitely worse.
>>282786989>5 yearsShit, it's been 5 years already? Watching Gou/Sotsu with /a/ was hilarious.
>>282815806Who the fuck would watch Sotsu after Gou
>>282797616People tried to gaslight me for years, but Silent Hill f confirmed what I always thought was true: R07 is a shit writer.
>>282815592the things we were saved from...They got their moment in the manga version at least
>>282815896I remember the Sotsu threads vividly. No one was happy with the conclusion, but there were good jokes here and there. Here's some posts I edited into one pic.It's soon 4 years since the Sotsu finale, huh
>>282816362Ciconia should have been proof enough
>>282815896>5 years
>>282797616it wouldnt have been that bad if they didnt try to pretend it was a silent hill game
Turning Satoko into a villain whose motivation is>I need to stockholm Rika into staying with me because I really don't like to studywas really fucking dumb
>>282786140r07 doesn't care about higurashi anymore since he got the silent hill gig.
>>282786183>but the worst anime I've ever seen by farYou don't even need to look beyond Higurasho to find something worse, namely Higurashi Outbreak
>>282817676Well, not for much longer considering those sales and how fucking shit it is.
>>282786140No, I came in wanting a wild ride and was not disappointed. The only thing missing was the lesbian sex, you could tell they were in heat for each other, but the doujinshi's make up for that.
>>282818087Outbreak was dumb but didn't repeat the original story, have atrocious animation, or rape each and every single character anywhere near as badly as Sotsugyou did.DEEN >>>>>>>>>> Passione
>>282815999A lot of people hoped the oddities in Gou were just setting up answers in Sotsu. But actually 90% of the answers in Sotsu were really obvious stuff, with only the Teppei vs Keiichi scene having any surprises and even then it was done in a bad way that just makes no sense (The scene shown in Gou was neither the story Satoko told Oishi nor some kind of misguided perception from Keiichi, it was just made up to fool the viewers and then they tried to excuse it as being Satoko's lie, but it doesn't match it at all) and the oddities in Gou were generally forced developments that the plot needed or pure bad writing. And some of the "answers" in Sotsu were outright stupid that just made Gou even worse in retrospect.
>>282801858>he self-inserted as ShuAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANot surprising considering your brainlet take. As expected from a Higu-only haremshitter.
>>282801858noooo why doesn't she want to get married noooo who cares about female agency in a shitty time period when i have to jerk off
>>282786140The only good part of gou or sotsu was the sequence of Rika's last 5 attempts. Even that I can't really remember the details, mostly just her shitty on some guy as he's trying to drown her which was kinda based.
Why didn't Rika just use Hanyuu to spy on everyone and figure out what's happening
>>282786140Love uisaki
the watch threads when Featherine/Eau first appeared were kino
>>282818087Lmao you have to be straight up fucking retarded if you think Outbreak is worse than Gou
>>282820326Because R07 originally intended for Hanyuu to be working against Rika, but then likely regret that when he realized how popular Hanyuu actually was.https://web.archive.org/web/20070815024021/www.toranoana.jp/higurasi/nakasekata4/higurashi_4_3.html>Ryu: Yes, it's quite the contrast, isn't it? Rika never gives up on hope. Even if she dies and has to repeat over and over, she doesn't get depressed. But if you pay attention, you've probably noticed that Rika's refusal to accept looping, the idea of stopping and reloading the game, is the most frightening thing for Hanyuu. I think Rika mentions it in the story, but in order to go back in time, it's not just Hanyuu, Rika's approval is also necessary. You can't go back without the consent of both of them. However, Hanyuu can't communicate with anyone but Rika. That's why Hanyuu can't bear to live without Rika. Even though it is painful for Rika to repeat her life, Hanyuu knows how painful it is to live without Rika, so she doesn't mind repeating her life as long as Rika is there. This is the absolute difference in values between Hanyuu and Rika. If you think about it that way, a free being like Hanyuu would have been able to walk around freely and search for the murderer, but why does Hanyuu not know anything and keep telling Rika to give up and that there will be another time? I'll get into that next time. (laughs) This is an interview from right after Minagoroshi's release. And he obviously didn't end up dealing with that in Matsuribayashi in spite of outright talking about how Hanyuu culd have easily solved the mystery here and promising to explain it next chapter.
>>282821446the huge reaction to Eua only for her to literally not matter at all for 99% of the show was pretty funny
>>282822476I don't think anyone should have been expecting her to get even more directly involved than she did.The real problem is that R07 was too cowardly to actually explain shit about her and tie her directly to Higurashi lore, only leaving vague sentences about Hanyuu being her failure and part of her, but without any elaboration on what any of that meant. Especially when he had been much more direct in past interviews and art books. But when it came to a mainstream anime he suddenly was scared about hurting Hanyuu's popularity.And it's really all about Hanyuu's popularity and the anime being too visible and potentially hurting her considering the story he went to write in Mei about Hanyuu/Eua (which you could only read if you actually got the Hanyuu/Eua card, which was on a limited banner).
>>282787870>>282804126Is that simple.
>>282787207My experience was very similar. The shock when she starts to scream during lunch when Keiichi tries to touch her was incredibly visceral. It was so shocking seeing her react so unnaturally, and I felt such a deep dread imagining what she had been through to turn into this. And then, as you say, that track kicks in and it's like my prayers were answered. The story of that chapter wormed its way into my brain like a parasite.
>>282801456Yes, this diaper shit is funnier than the laziest rehash of an IP ever.
>>282822359The issue is that if Hanyuu could solve the case so easily then Rika should have called her out for it. It only passes the idiot ball around.
>>282822947If he went ahead with that plan we'd probably have Rika confronting Hanyuu about it at some point in Matsuri once things were calm in the new world, since it's the only way it'd come up and you could have 'different values' issue he mentions there confronted directly, rather than just Rika having amnesia and then Hanyuu recapping Minagoroshi for her and repeating Minagoroshi's lessons during the initial calm part, with none of what he talks about in that interview addressed even though he explicitly talked about explaining it next chapter.
>>282786140I liked it
>>282823042The issue started way before Matsuri. Rika looped way too many times for Hanyu to be as powerful as she is and both Rika and Hanyu to be even slightly rational people
>>282823675I mean, R07 acknowledges that in the interview I posted, so presumably if we had gotten Matsuribayashi dealing with it, rather than being cowardly about it to protect Hanyuu, it'd acknowledge it too, like Rika questioning why Hanyuu never pointed to Takano in spite of the culprit being so close to them, which is then when you'd get that confrontation of viewpoints he mentions in the interview that never happened directly in the main story.
>>282815660This
>>282824475This moves the ball further upReally you can't have Rika loop more than 10 times AND Hanyu being able to remember what she sees AND both Rika and Hanyu not addressing the easy exploit. Especially given the fact Rika explains in Minagoroshi that she tried some alternate solutions (running from the village, tailing Takano herself...)it's an easy fix even without making Hanyuu evil, make her forget the important thing because "fate" or some shit
>>282826608>This moves the ball further upNot really. The confrontation they'd have in Matsuribayashi easily could have a reveal that Rika asked for Hanyuu's help before but she just outright lied like the lines in Minagoroshi about previous loops. Rika was dropping new info about the old loops until near the end of Minagoroshi, like the bit about her falling for the syndrome once before. It wouldn't be odd if Matsuribayashi continued giving more info about the old loops.It's not outright said in that interview, but since R07 there acknowledged Hanyuu could have easily solved the mystery but willingly didn't do it, and how'd he go into that the next chapter, and how it tied into thedifference of values between Rika and Hanyuu, I'd be surprised if he forgot to address Rika's side too. The problem in the final chapter is that everything is thrown away and none of that is dealt with. So, obviously you can't have Rika mentioning she asked Hanyuu about it if you don't intend to go into why Hanyuu wouldn't help.
>>282786151No... no it wasn't. The only thing I can give some credit for is Rika beating Satoko with a frying pan in one of the last eps. I like Higurashi but I always hated the time loop bullshit, it completely fucks any coherent plot the story is trying to tell.
>>282801472>t. K1
Bot thread. I've seen this exact OP and many of the exact responses before.Gou/Sotsu is only seen as "Bad" because it destroyed the headcanons of shipperfags.
>>282827852>R07tards can only defend this trashfire by calling people botsThe irony is that you're the actual bot here. Spiritually Indian
>>282806416My 10 year old wifeā¦
>>282786140It was the worst I've seen. I still have no idea what anyone was thinking with that project.
>>282786140I hate Satoko so fucking much its unreal and the ending didn't punish her enough so I hate it. But I did enjoy the series while it was going. I just hate the ending.
>That one part of Matsuribayashi where itās some group of people upset at the current state of Japan after WW2 What a weird VN
>that part in Watanagashi where Shmion wastes an hour of everyoneās time talking about Japanese war crimes It was such an intense scene and suddenly Iām getting a history lesson.
>>282831361especially when you see the other side of it and Shion was simply bullshitting 95% of the story (and it worked)
>>282831427Sasuga. Thatās the strongest Higu for you.
it got sexotoko so it wasn't all bad
>>282786567>doubt it, his most recent work is solid proof he completely degenerated as a writerSilent Hill F was good, faggot
>>282831464Actually it goes>Rena >= Shion > K1 > Mion > Satoko > Rika
Hanyuu nakadashi
I like Higurashi more than Umineko for a single reason:There's an actual good ending.I spent hundreds of hours playing through Umineko expecting that maybe, in the end, there would be a happy kakera where the entire family survived, Battler disabled the bomb and came back to Ange.But nope just dead people
>>282827570>It's not outright said in that interview, but since R07 there acknowledged Hanyuu could have easily solved the mystery but willingly didn't do itIt is weird that it's not brought up, I thought that while reading, (to that extent I also think the 100 year time frame is also too long). I think he handled it best he could in Matsuri 8 having Hanyuu tell Rika her forgotten Mina memories but it's still clunky.>>282830474I still think it's hilarious that the 2nd Sino-Japanese war was in-universe probably caused by Hinamizawa syndrome. Also with Tokyo, I don't fully get their motivations, just because the VN endlessly says their motivations is to bring Japan back to the forefront and give them a weapon that competes with a nuke so they can leave the US umbrella, but then there's one quick line that says its about shuffling funds around instead. I know a lot of it was just Takano's 2nd ojii-chan giving her funding and flexing his weight (that later turns to a power struggle) but I guess it's supposed to be a bit vague whether or not Tokyo actually wanted the weapon? I don't know.
>>282786581That's his fault for not writing a better story, if it's shit, then that's on him
>>282831669This also happens to be their IQ ranking as well.
>>282821446Her appearing in the OP actually made me sit down and read all of Umineko. And not only did I had to read R07's later drivel, I was also "rewarded" with Gou for it.PULLING A TRIGGER ON EVERY DRAGONNIGGER
>>282831669>>282832288Imagine how successful Rena wouldāve been in life if both her parents hadnāt been such traitors and losers.
>>282831669>>282832288could ANYONE beat them?
>>282833104They could bring entire nations to their knees.
is the new manga about K1 even worth reading
>>282786140Itās really pointless and does nothing but explain Lambadelta from umineko. They shouldāve switched Reiwa and Sotsuygou. Have Reiwa be an anime and make sotsuygou manga only.
>>282834118Not at all lmao, the main girl is a literal whore who sleeps with old men while he's crossdressed getting a boner Watching as her ass and tits get groped
>>282813069Deen adaptation was not that good. Season 2 had to invent another arc because season 1 cut too many important things out, iirc.
>>282834335I can't believe Keiichi gets to fuck THIS
>>282834486anon u mean rika
>>282786140gou & sotsu as a presequel between higurashi and umineko is fucking kinobut if you only know higurashi plot then its fucking trashimo its great anime with bad marketing, it should have been said right away that you need to be familiar with R07 both works before actually jumping in
>>282834851You're a fucking idiot, you can only like this garbage if you didn't care about Higurashi but LOVED trannyneko. Consider blowing your brains out asap
>>282834955Based
>>282834851As someone who prefers Umineko over Higurashi, I think you're a fucking retard. GouSotsu is bad for Higurashi AND Umineko.
>>282832288>>282833104Satoko is canoncially the smartest Higu before Gou ruined her character
I hate how hateful Higurashi threads have become because of Sotsugyou. Now it's always Satoko vs. Rika instead of them being understood as the closest possible friends ever, and it's always Higurashi vs. Umineko instead of Higu fans loving Higu and Umikeks being in /jp/ where they belong.
>>282835760Blame Ryukishi for ALL of this, there is no fixing this Satokofans have literally gone insane over what was done to her and it can never be undone. We will never pre-2020 Higurashi threads again
>>282834851Any fan of Higurashi or Umineko would not wnat Gou and sotsu connected to the story they like.
>>282835807>Blame Ryukishi for ALL of thisOh I DO. I do, very much so. Imagine having the opportunity to bring back your beloved first franchise with the VAs returning and a new anime being produced and getting to revist one of the characters, who was in the background for much of the original story despite having an incredibly forceful arc, and who ALSO had a plot thread about a long lost sibling that WASN'T yet complete, and using the chance to ruin her character, also ruin the MAIN character's character, add NOTHING to a third character's original arc, relegate the sibling plot to an afterthought, and commit untold other narrative sins, altogether wasting the FINAL CHANCE you'd ever get to tell a story about these characters. There's no way for me to underplay how egregious this is.
>>282835760>>282835807>>282836016>>282786989Ryukishi doesn't care if he ruined Higurashi or not, he still has his Umineko fans, Goufans and now silent hill fans.
>>282836223I don't care if he cares or not, I care because I care about and love the characters and that won't change. It's a tragedy and I can't help but lament it.
>>282800325> weeeh Kei-chan wonāt fuck meGou just made her worst.
A proper story of Mion getting secretly infected and going insane over her love for K1 could be ultra kino.
>>282786140Anime was shit, but the manga tried its hardest to salvage the shitshow. Manga was spectacular.
>>282836636Mion is a whore the second she left off to go to high school she would've fallen in love with the first boy who joined her NEW club that she started there the same way she moved on from Satoshi the second Keiichi moved into town. It's sad but Mion is just desperate to be seen as a girl and given any sort of male attraction from a boy her age
>>282836448The worst thing is that it just makes her a complete surface level Shion clone.She already has people she holds grudges against, it just never goes beyond her holding a distaste for them. But if forced into going L5 could easily start imagining how they could have been behind everything. But, nope, have to do a Meakashi remake and kill the people she loves first before anyone else.
>>282836673Manga was just as shit, ruining Satoshis return for this garbage story was not "spectacular"
>>282836676Mion moved on from Satoshi because Shion was into him, and she feels guilty about the whole identity swap, so stepped out of the way. Like there's a reason she passes the call about taking care of Satoko to Shion. and that was still 82, way before Keiichi arrived.
>>282836676Wasn't it confirmed that she actually did marry another club member she met in high school in the Reiwa manga? Damn lol poor K1
>>282834486Keiichi and Satoko have been making sweet baby making love for over 40 years now...
>>282836782In an interview R07 said he hadn't thought about her husband, but his explanation when asked to think about one was a new club member that caught everyone's attention as their "target", and became Mion's love interest.It doesn't really line up with the actual manga though, where they show time and time again the club just has the same crew from 83. Not even Satoshi and Shion are considered Club members (they aren't even in the club's chat channel!) according to Reiwa.Still, Reiwa is just a random fragment in the first place.
New Gou merch just announced.
>>282836676How is that any different from Keiichi falling in love with every fucking girl and getting shipped with half the cast? You're just sexist.
>>282836782>>282836952Look you guys shouldn't care all that much about Reiwa, it fucking ends with a diaper fetish BDSM gag. It's pretty clear how the original plot for the story was canned and and rushed with a shit joke ending it's obvious Ryukishi either got cold feet with his original script or had no idea what the fuck he was doing in the first place (I personally believe in the first option since he was afraid of fan backlash if he made K1 the villain)
>>282836973>Still no Mion figure You have got to be fucking kidding me
>>282836997*Lock and key allegory*
>>282837017>he was afraid of fan backlash if he made K1 the villainlame
>>282837017Eh, I believe his story about the whole concept coming from the SE editors. R07 bothering going, "this is just a story from a fragment among many" when first talking about Reiwa in the 07th stream channel on youtube, before we had any info outside of the two covers of Oni and Hoshi vol 1, felt oddly defensive. Even before the series could gather much of a reaction.He didn't start trying to downplay Gou/Sotsu until way after the backlash and even so never said he was forced to do it and was just a supervisor or anything like that, unlike the last volume stuff in Reiwa.
>>282837017>if he made K1 the villainWas this an actual idea he had?
>>282837292It's just a theory of that anon.
All this new Higurashi media in the past few years and none of it is very good. At its very best it manages to be passable entertainment, and doesn't even come close to the heights of even the DEEN adaptation. Anons from here could write better fiction with these characters.
>>282837402>Anons from here could write better fiction with these characters*monkey's paw curls*>>>/jp/34792740>>>/jp/34792751
>>282831498How is it? Does it come close to when R07s writing was at it's peak?
>>282837237He may have been told about the idea of a possible sequel about the club memeber and their kids but it was his idea to have them all marry different people and for the story to go the way it did. He even had a entire section that image you posted coming up with the "grand finale" of Marutake having a diaper fetish and then feeling bad about being anti-inclusive for making Marutake feel bad that he enjoys crying and shitting himself like a fucking baby and how it goes against the message of accepting diversity (lmao) He knows how rabid his fans are with shipping and he JUST released a anime where it pushes Satorika hard which was already getting a ton of backlash it makes sense he wouldn't be as vocal about a work where they all fuck random people. >>282837104>>282837292In Reiwa there are countless hints about Keiichi being involved with Polaris and whatever's going on within the village. The story opens up with Keiichi in a scandal over a large amount of missing funds and the fact that HE'S the one who moved polaris to the village in the first place. Seriously why the fuck would Keiichi care about some religion cult group that "JUST" so happened to get infected with a BRAND NEW BRAIN PARASITE despite it being made up from people all across Japan? Not to mention the character of Sirus who showed up before they moved to the village and tested the members to engage in acts of violence against those who are deemed enemies of the group, and that's not even scratching the surface with Keiichi's close connection with the head of the Polaris group. As for the actual murders themselves it was fairly obvious that Keiichi was the one who killed Kisaku and his assistant in the second timeline after Rika warned him he will be killed, which goes more into the fact the idea of Keiichi and Satoko being involved in this whole affair it's a lot of stuff I've talked more about in the past, but it never gets brought up again in the final arc and ends with just gags
I stopped caring about this franchise years ago. I got really angry at what was happening and posted a bunch of unhinged rants about how shitty it was and whatever but I realized the author himself didn't care, had never cared, had no idea what made any facet of his work likeable, and would do whatever he wanted to it even if it was shitty and retarded, so there was no point remaining attached to it and getting all worked up. Now I just fap to the girls and laugh at old memes. See aren't satoko's boobs huge? Isn't this ancient copypasta funny? Haha
>>282837570I know how much your heart must've been hurting anon, I was the same way for a very long time. Keeping the pain at a nice safe distance with apathy and lust as my guardrails, but the worst thing we can do is to stop caring. I know to care is to hurt, and that we are merely at the mercy of a creator who does not care like we do but we never needed him anon. It took me years to finally understand what Ryukishi was trying to say but I get it now, he isn't a god when it comes to his works. His "canon" stopped mattering the day BT died, now he's just like the rest of us just someone who writes for characters he didn't create. the only difference between us and him is that he has the money and influence to create expensive works and have his legion of eternal ass lickers praise them but that doesn't change who these characters are. Mion, Rena, Rika, Keiichi, Satoko, the characters we love still exist. Our love for them didn't die with Gou, that's something no one can take away from us. I miss Satoko so much... and although I'll never get to see her sweet smile from Ryukishi again that doesn't change anything me and her will be together forever no matter what, for too long I have allowed my grief and anger stop me from doing the one thing I could've done. We are the writers of our own stories, what Ryukishi thinks or says means nothing compared to the love we hold within our hearts, the love you have for these characters. We can give them their happy ending back, a tale that they would've loved all we have to do is pick up the pen and begin writing our own tale even if you don't show it to the world it will be just as equally canon as to whatever Gou was. A ending just for you and your love for this story was always there anon, we just have to write it ourselves.
>>282834033Imagine
>>282786140It was a pleb filter
>>282837491>from here/jp/sies donāt count.
>>282801932Just start treating it as more of a stage play instead of a literal real life thing happening in front of your eyes. I honestly think it's the reader's loss if they can't immerse in scenes that seem silly at certain times. Unless the entire thing as a whole is bad it's just a waste of good writing to dislike it for its weak points.
>>282838545Yeah, exactly. The same climax also has Rena getting hit by one of Satokoās traps. I can see why this kinda thing caused a lot of readers to lose their minds when it happened in Matsuribayashi, but this is the kind of story this is.
>>282838588Oh yeah. Traps working on the soldiers in the last chapter, I def get why that could cause eye rolling. My tolerance is pretty high so I stomached it decently. I still enjoyed 8 quite a bit. Anyway the series as a whole as an easy 10/10 for me
>>282838545>>282838588Look it's one thing for one of the main characters to temporarily stop Rena for a second is one thing but when the kids are cheering for fucking Rena who will MURDER Keiichi if she wins (as far as they know) just made me cringe so fucking hard. I can tolerate a lot of that stuff but killed the entire moment for me
>>282786140No. VNfags same as Litfags are a bunch of divas who believe they are reading the quintessential literature work. Protip. It isn't. The best course is always to ignore them and their opinions, they are mentally ill and this thread proves it. Fuck them faggots.
>>282838634Itās meant to represent them returning to the world they were in before. R07 often has these cheesy lines of affirmation from the side characters. Again itās the kind of cartoony stuff youād expect from a cartoon. I can see why people would balk.
>>282838634I dunno I could honestly see it happening we're talking about like 6 year olds probably i don't think they know what the fuck is happening besides "cool fight"
>>282838620Same.
>>282786140This shit is basically the Cursed Child of anime so yeah.
>>282786140Aquarion Evol is close>Retroactively ruins the originals ending>Original cast is character assassinated>Worst girl wins>A fucking dog>Second half drops most of the first half's plothreads in order to spend more time retconning the original.>A. FUCKING. DOG.
Are Satokofags the most deranged of the fans?
>>282833104Nah they'd rape the entire setting if they tried
>>282790029This. Some anons here might really have loved the Satoko character for what she was from the VN but its clear how she was the least popular club member and only a few would really say Satoko is their favorite Higurashi character over the others. Her current character might be controversial but now she's actually trailing behind Rika in terms of fanworks being made and people actually talk about her.
>>282840763>they'd rape the entire setting if they triedI-imagine...
>>282836673Nah manga might be better in some aspects but it also made some worse off and pointless. So Featherine who subjected Satoko to a hundred fragments where her life sucks to break her just gets bored and fucks off instead of causing some tragedy to befell Satoshi? Satoko who's been conditioned to believe that there's no good future at all and that it'll go to shit one way or another, doesn't think that maybe Satoshi is just gonna kneel over and die randomly on the next day? Showing Teppei could get better and then he just disappears from the plot? You think its finally Mion's turn to go crazy but its actually Shion again doing the same thing she did in the original, twice.Also lame to just excuse all of Satoko's actions as just being made crazy because Featherine forced it to happen and then Featherine just walks away freely cause she got bored. Oh and Hanyuu is actually gone for real, you lose more with the manga version of events without any real benefits/change from the original ending of the series besides just Satoko knowing about Rika's experiences.
I was arguing with a tranny about R07ās writing, about whether his writing is subtle or not. Itās certainly NOT subtle, but the structure of his stories gives an appearance of subtlety. I guess it's enough for someone
>>282818221>those sales>over a million copies in the first week
>>282813748>>282815351>>282834481Late reply but I realized I typed like a challenged child, when I said >the original Deen adaptation is betterI meant better than the OP's Passione adaptation not the VN, the VN is obviously superior except in musicBut like an anon said in another thread the Ufotable Fate adaptations are some of the few VN adaptations that actually comes close to having the quality of the VN, almost makes me want a Tsuruhime anime by then since at this point it feels like they bailed on the Tsuruhime remake
>>282841501WE'LL NEVER GET KIKONIA PHASE 2
>>282817676How's the game in terms of horror pacing? As much as I like Ryukishi I was afraid that him being a VN writer would kill the pace of a survival horror game, that and this being the taiwanese developers' first horror game.
>>282841649
>>282841649it's been like 6 years, it was never happening anyway
>>282841364Oh also forgot to mention that manga had Satoko be even more of a psycho. Even if you want to excuse it all as just being mindbroken from Featherine", manga Satoko actually deciding to just make half of the Hinamizawa residents go berserk and kill each other just for shits and giggles makes her more irredeemable to me compared to anime "I hate studying" Satoko who I can just say is being an overemotional teenager.
Would Higanbana work as a movie anime series if they don't adapt the chapters focused on Michiru?
>>282841680>6 yearswtf
Why is every /07/ thread like this regardless of the board? Is it a /jp/ thing or some sort of discordfag?
>>282822947It works if you see Hanyu as furniture but I haven't watched the Passione anime so maybe that contradicts said statement
>>282842239
>>282842352buddy have you seen the /jp/ thread recently? or in the last few years? nothing compared to this
>>282842352kek if you think Higurashi threads on /a/ is pretty bad then you have no idea how much worse it is in /jp/. Have you seen the DBS threads? That's basically how they are like.
>>282842352This thread is honestly one of the best Higu threads since Gou started. I'll take what I can get.
I've been watching the DEEN anime for the first time and it's been pretty fun. The only thing I dislike is that considering things is in a visual form a lot of the unique subtext from the VN is kinda gone. For example Mion and Rena may seems really suspicious in E1/E2/E3 but they actually mean well and it's obviously more neat in the visual novel because they are some scenes where you can go "ohhhh" in the VN. doesn't really land as well in the animated scenes because it's more POV. just had a quick question, I've only read the manga and VN several times but haven't seen any of the extra stuff. is there ANY like wtf man ANY arcs that showcase Keiichi and Mion or Keiichi and Rena as an actual couple? How in the fuck does Satoshi get his girl and Keiichi always gets cucked twice. fcking silent hill f got me mad as fuck about this too.
>>282786140God i fucking hated it, it just felt like a shitpost to explain bernkastel and lambdadeltas backstory, some things shouldnt be connected when theyre better off unexplained, because quite frankly higurashi and umineko already had a great ending so they didnt need this filler garbage mixed with high school drama
>>282842352Like what nigga?
>>282843775were all crazy here, its like a badge of honor in 07 related threads
>>282843915This thread was pretty civilized desu. Don't get what his problem is
help they wont get off my screen
>>282834335MILF Satoko is the greatest thing to come out from the Reiwa manga.
>>282786140>ranma 1/2 >rourorin kensin>thise obnoxious aliens>spice and wolfAll the remakes have been shit....
>>282844720The new Bleach has been good.
>>282786140>squealRAT
>>282822476Remember loli Eua?>Just imagine how humiliated little rori Eua must feel after being babified so easily. Imagine if she got stuck in some awful meta hell with Hanyuu and Bernkastel and Lambdadelta and they decided to keep her as their idiot loser pet!>Every day sheād wake up in Bern and Lambdaās girlcum-stained sheets, and faintly remember she was supposed to be a creator witch overflowing with authority and might, until she opens her mouth and her squeaky little girl voice comes out so instead of sounding smug and clever, sheād just sound like a dumb brat with no experience or competence! Because thatās what she is! Big sister Hanyuu would try to soothe her and sheād just throw a tantrum like a baby!>Rori Eua wonāt stop acting big, so Hanyuu-nee has to spank her. Can you imagine? Euaās pale, undeveloped butt and innocent, hairless cunny, completely devoid of mature, adult characteristics, all on display for Hanyuu and Bern and Lambda. Euaās little butt gets spanked till itās red raw and sheās sobbing from the pain, crying out āAu au au! Ahām sowwy ahām sowwy! Au au!ā all garbled from the shock and humiliation of being a plaything for a creature as pathetic as Hanyuu. Hanyuu, who is so weak and dumb that everyone teases her, whom everyone sees as an idiot at the bottom of the totem pole, except for one useless failure even weaker and dumber: Eua! Sheās the littlest brat in the family!>But Hanyuuās treatment is gentle in comparison to when Eua is handed over to Bernkastel and Lambdadelta. They donāt even let rori Eua wear clothes when theyāre playing with her, so her immaturity is always visible. Sheās leashed and collared while they talk about adult topics out of bounds to brats like little Eua, who is much too stupid to understand them. She has to eat dog food off the ground with her naked little butt stuck up in the air so Bern can give it a whack when she feels like letting off steam!>What a pathetic existence rori Eua is!
>>282847013This show just had to humiliate every character, didn't it?
>>282821446That was when I knew the anime had no chance of being good.
>>282842119why would you want to leave out michiru of all people? At the very least her chapters somewhat break up the monotony of "and then there was bullying"
>>282847969Because they don't work for a movie or anime series format, they work as OVAs
>>282842843>SpoilerNope, Satoko is the only girl Keiichi has gotten with and canonically came inside twice for sakiko and Keitarou
>>282848713what lmfao which arc is this?
>>282848773>>282848713wait you fucking liar i searched this up, satoko husband is some literal who
>>282848773Reiwa, this ship was clear to win from the very beginning ever since her love confession back in the original VN...>>282848790>cucksakuHe's literally raising Keiichi's child born BEFORE he "married" Satoko
>>282813069>has there ever been an anime adaptation of a visual novel that's on par or better than their source material?Amagami
>>282848713I believe this
>>282848773It's just some guy's delusion, the canon is that Satoko married and had a kid (Sakiko) with some ugly Kimiyoshi guy and the closest Cuckichi ever got was standing outside a room listening to Satoko have a BDSM/babyplay session with the villainI wish I was joking
>>282848931Cucksaku wishes Sakiko was biologically his but it doesn't matter to him, because he may not be her bio dad but he's the dad who STEPPED up and raised and loved that little girl like it was his own even if Satoko gets her guts rearranged by Keiichi on a daily basis and I think that's something to be respected
wow so r07 does the cuck thing from silent hill F before silent hill F? why the fuck won't he just make an arc where he pairs keiichi with someone holy fuck, even satoshi gets shion in all arcs.
>>282849083He paired Keiichi with some random no-name faceless woman, that's Keitarou's mom
>>282849083Because Ryukishi has a NTR fetish and Keiichi had the misfortune of being his self-insert back when he was writing the first 3 arcs of Higurashi. That's why Higurashi changed from being a harem type story where Keiichi fell in love with each of the girls into a story where he gets a boner watching his romantic interest get groped and molested at a bunny cafe
>that's Keitarou's momShe has a face though
Why wouldn't Mion x Keichi be endgame though. Was that explained.
>>282849323See>>282836676>>282836782Keiichi doesn't need someone who will move on from him
see we wouldn't have this autism if this fucker just had ONE fucking arc where he paired keiichi and mion together.ONE JUST FUCKING ONE BRO
I think Mion x Keiichi is the worst pairing out of the club members, why do so many people like them together?
>>282849488why
>>282849642I dislike how much of a pushover Mion is and how Keiichi is just such a dense retard when it comes to Mion. He does not view her romantically at all unless he gets the idea that Mion likes him, then it feels a lot more like he pities Mion and feels bad for her instead of actually romantically liking her back. He has so much more chemistry with all of the other girls it's insane I'd still fuck her though
>>282849488I like Mion and the dynamic she has with Keiichi. Her feelings about K1 are pretty central to her issues, and I'm still annoyed that she never got her moment in Minagoroshi when the entire rest of the gang worked through their problems. She never really developed a backbone for most of this shit, probably the closest Mion got was when Shion tricked K1 in her place.Rena obviously has feelings for him as well, but her personal struggles are separate.
>>282850173Mions whole thing is about wanting to be more feminine and her role of being Mion, her liking Keiichi is a way for her to be her true self but it never goes any deeper. There's really nothing there that makes it so she can ONLY like Keiichi for any deeper reason than he's the only boy her age. With how timid and kinda pathetic she is I just can't see him able to actually compete with any other girl who pursues Keiichi seriously, and it's lack of a backbone is what makes Keiichi pity her so much to the point he seriously believe Mion sobbed and begged Rena not to go after him so she can have a chance.Although I have my own ship as well so I won't talk too much trash, I just personally find her romance with Keiichi to be the weakest
>>282849756>>282850498How she didn't have at least 20 kids by the time of Reiwa will always be a mystery to me
Usoda
>>282842752>Have you seen the DBS threadsShit was so deranged it actually shocked me
>>282852400The only girl Iām genuinely more scared of than Iām turned on by.
>>282853833What if your scarily turned on?
>>282841364>just gets bored and fucks off instead of causing some tragedy to befell Satoshi?Those were explicitly simulations and even Satoko was told so. She never caused a tragedy directly in a "real" world (only indirectly through Satoko).>Satoko who's been conditioned to believe that there's no good future at all and that it'll go to shit one way or another, doesn't think that maybe Satoshi is just gonna kneel over and die randomly on the next day?The ending explicitly address this though. She decides to face the future even though she had no idea if things would actually turn out well. What happens to Sotsu Satoko if she has another problem in her life in comparison? It doesn't address at all. And Meguri Satoko was carrying guilty for everything she did, another aspect Sotsu ignores while rushing for unearned happy ending.>Showing Teppei could get better and then he just disappears from the plot?Why should he matter more? The club is Satoko's family not him. They aren't even blood related.Sotsu presents Teppei's memory leaks and changes as happening due to him being family close to Satoko, which is just insulting when it's skipping all club members.>You think its finally Mion's turn to go crazy but its actually Shion againI didn't like this much either. But it's much better than Mion just doing what Shion does in the original, which is outright insulting to her character. All her tension with Oishi and Takano spreading rumors evaporates because it's not what Shion did.>Oh and Hanyuu is actually gone for realHanyuu's sacrifice scene is great and Sotsu revealing she was lying all along destroys it. Her lie even led to Rika almost killing herself in the Gou anime, Hanyuu goes resolve things by herself, then somehow invokes friendship while facing Eua and you're meant to see her as right?
>>282853877Then I may ejaculate out of fear.
>>282849756I think Keiichi just writes her off as a girl due to the club president position and her usual act, but those meetings in early Watanagashi when he sees her as "Shion" are great and instantly have him getting closer to her, until Shion hijacks everything, they're left in an awkward situation for a day, then she immediately kidnaps Mion.>>282850498>There's really nothing there that makes it so she can ONLY like Keiichi for any deeper reason than he's the only boy her age. Keiichi also has the whole "bringing new wind into the village" set up, which could tie into her breaking out of her "Mion" role, although it's true it never happens because Mion never really gets an arc dealing with her issues, they're just set up and then left there since she wasn't killing people due to them.Also, this is one of the aspects of Reiwa I really dislike. Her not changing or developing at all, and keeping the same Mion front originally created by Shion.Even R07 in an interview during the 20th anniversary event talked about the idea of her eventually needing to throw away that mask, but Reiwa does nothing with that.Mei's adult Mion >>> Reiwa's.>>282850958Because the core premise was about the freaking kids club, which is why they all conveniently are around the same age, and there aren't siblings or romantic interest within the new club (so there wouldn't be different bonds overshadowing the club). Also, why all club members are children of the club, with no outsiders, even though they clearly are supposedly friendly and open with others and not some kind of elite villager group. The whole set up feels very artificial.
>>282854210>Hanyuu's sacrifice scene is great and Sotsu revealing she was lying all along destroys it. Her lie even led to Rika almost killing herself in the Gou anime, Hanyuu goes resolve things by herself, then somehow invokes friendship while facing Eua and you're meant to see her as right?While fight was kinda cringe, I do think the idea was Hanyuu sensing that they were being observed thus she lied. Admittedly she could have been a lot more clear in stating there's possibly another looper rather than the ambiguous statement that led Rika to think Hanyuu wanted her to kill herself.
>>282837039Nobody likes that jobber Mion
>>282842352I donāt know how dragon7 can induce unprecedented schizophrenia in his most fervent readers but this is one of the least mentally ill wtc thread Ive seen in a while
>>282854764 Interview quote (fixed the last part where I had skipped some words).>Why does Shion usually speak in polite language?>Mion was originally a lively child who used boyish language since elementary school. She was often told to use polite language in public, like "umaishi!" instead of "umai!" at formal occasions. Seeing this, Shion decided to act as the ideal daughter in order to stand out as her own person. She began to use honorific language as her parents told her to.>Mion and Shion are like two different characters played by one actor, so they respect each other and let their personalities shine. Once the two of them came to an understanding that Mion speaks like an older man and Shion uses honorific language, they continued like that even when they switched between Mion and Shion.>Itās a rule that only the two of them understand. Each of them has strong feelings about their respective selves, Mion and Shion, and they feel like neither should monopolize the other. But they also canāt stay that way forever as they grow upā¦ I want to take my time writing more about that.
>>282855343real shion is better
>>282855398The worms are in my skin! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! its itching! GET THE WORMS OUT OF MY SKIN! GEORGE BUSH RAPED MY DOG!
>>282855582despite all the talk about Mion and Shion showing their "real" selves, we never got much of Shion acting "boyish" or Mion managing to act feminine without being a bundle of nerves.At most, some of the scenes where it's just the twins hanging out kind of had that, but even then they were mostly still themselves.
>>282836223>he still has his Umineko fansBecause they're retarded enablers
>>282855398Can confirm. I was normal before Cicadas: When They Cry broke my brain.
>>282856623The peak makes you go crazy
>>282837852>Ryukishi made gou to make Higufags understand Umineko SASUGA
>>282856183I feel like Shion breaks character all the time. You mostly see it when she's angry though, like when she shouts at Keiichi in Minagoroshi while wanting to kill Teppei. Initially she keeps her usual feminine speech in spite of being angry, but by the time she's about to hit Keiichi with a chair she had dropped it all already.It's really Mion where you barely see it in the main story after Watanagashi. It happens more in spin-offs, but then you have to deal with their general inconsistent characterization from one spin-off to another. Where some have her being tomboyish as an obvious front that she breaks all the time, but others have her just 100% tomboyish.
>>282858432I usually grouped Shion's anger in with her normal persona. She doesn't hide her true feelings as much when she gets heated, just look at the first chunk of Minagoroshi.I never really saw her angry side as "tomboyish" although I guess that is her not putting on any facade.
>>282858432I can't believe Mion is canonically an attention whore...
Gou was fun. Its massively dragged down by Sotsu being hot fucking garbage except for the finale. If we got more time with the club as college students or if the answer arcs were unpredictable and cuhrazy for the sake of entertainment, Sotsugou would be remembered more fondly.
I just got done reading Saikoroshi>"Wow Mion is being a total dick to Rika in this universe, despite her being a bullied lonely child">It turns out to be ShionWhat the fuck is up with this bitch and bullying troubled kids?
>>282859361based i kick orphans for fun all the time, then i bite their crusty ,hamburger helper flavored ears off and collect them in a jellybean jar
>>282859303Lmao, people who say this shit have to be the most retarded fuckers alive what the fuck do you mean it would be remembered more fondly? Maybe by dipshits like you who have a glancing interest in Higurashi as a whole and don't give a fuck about these characters. You know what fuck you anon blow your brains out as soon as possible you fucking scum
>>282859361the previous Rika of Saikoroshi was actually the bitch in that one, even Rena only tried to reach out to her due to pity.
>>282859303
>>282859656I suppose so but the idea of it still made me laugh. I was also shocked, I decided to read the Saikoroshi wiki page just for some trivia and learned the anime adaptation omitted the swap, because the adaptation of the main story ignored the swap in Meakashi. What the fuck where they smoking? How does that chapter even remotely work without explaining the swap? I gotta watch the DEEN adaptation at this point.
>>282859361Shion being a normal good girl who happens to have really, really bad anger issues is the best part of her character.
>>282859787She's the best and I want her to insult and bully me. Onee-chan's are too strong even if they pretend to be imoutos.
>>282859787>Minagoroshi>Shion keeps threatening to murder every child services employee they talk toI love her so much
OFFICIAL BEST GIRL RANKINGSSatoko > Shion >>> Rika > Rena > Mion
>>282859879Rena => Shion > Satoko > Rika > Hanyuu >>> Mion
>>282859879Wrong it'sMion > Satoko > Shion > Rena > K1 (female) > Rika >>>>>>>>> the goat
Finished reading the VN for the first time 2 days ago>6 is the best , Rena's descent into madness was the best one, even though the climax roof fight was a bit too cringe, but Rena not killing him in the end was kino>3&7 are both closely trailing by , Keiichis descent is almost as well done as Rena's , and has arguably a more satisfying aftertaste after we learn more about the disease in 7>5 is pretty good although the reasoning for Shion going mad just doesn't sit that well with me, considering she is the most sadistic for the most melodramatic reasons>4 was decent on his own but akasaka turned out to be a jobber and the chapter kinda doesn't fit into the plot as well aside from Rika characterization>1 was a good introduction and 2 was okay, the sloggiest one though >8 was disappointing after 7Best character is easily Rena .Mion was interesting at the start but she turns out the least interesting in the end.Starting Umineko this week. Probably will not consume and other higurashi sequels, even though 8 wasn't the best ending I can accept its conclusion.
>>282859983#1 girl Ooishi #2 everyone else
>>282860175If you haven't, you should read Saikoroshi before moving on, more or less a short epilogue chapter for Rika.
>>282860175Funny, I also recently read it and have pretty similar thoughts, same with favourite girl being Rena and least being Mion. I said earlier in the thread that my favourite arcs were 1, 3 and 7, with 6 probably being the runner-up too. I thought 2 was pretty fun, it gave a new angle to the mystery and I tried my best to figure it out, agreed on 8.
>>282860220I think he did the best job betraying our expectations with Rena. She seemed like the most unstable by a good margin at the start, but she turned out to be the strongest (aside from arguably Rika?).Mion had a similar thing going at the start but unlike with Rena who defied expectations she just kinda shoved hers off to Shion
>>282860336makes sense considering Shion wasn't in the cards at the time Oni was written, so a lot of her role was going to be for Mion originally.
>>282860175Just know that Satoko eventually also became obsessed with Rika, became a looper and, due to feeling betrayed by Rika in high school, after being stuck in a bunch of failed loops, trapped Rika in hell again. Rika eventually stops her and gets out, but neither Satoko nor Rika really got what they wanted this time in the end and just the "settle" for the ending.This context absolutely didn't exist when Umineko first came out but really explains why two characters who are walking Higurashi references there act like they do.
>>282860336As much as I love Shion (2nd favourite) it really felt like she just eats up everything Mion was supposed to have, every Shion scene is a Shion scene but most Mion scenes for key moments are often Shion scenes, Chapter 2 and 5 are more about her in many ways than Mion, which makes Mion feel shafted. I mean, I guess it's actually Mion and the real Shion get shafted, but you know what I mean. I do think it works, it's just a bit of a shame and makes Mion the most 1 note of the main cast. Rena is just wonderful, her attitude in 2 is just so perfect. I read it pretty blind so I was quite puzzled, at the time I couldn't quite reason why it was only "Mion" who was violent this time, and not the combination of the two. That question paired with getting to see Rena's strength for the first time was great. Her continuing struggle but strong nature swooned my heart, she's a wonderful character.
>>282859361She had to get it on.
>>282860569As much as I love Meakashi as it is, I do wonder what it would've been like as a split chapter between Mion and Shion, like how Tsumi has Keiichi and Rena both get POV.
>>282860418>Non-canon garbage Kill yourself Lambda will always be Takano
>>282860175If you want a proper epilogue for these characters give this a read, it was written by Ryukishi and serves as an alternative epilogue to Saikoroshi where Hanyuu doesn't just dissipate and Rika isn't in a different world it's called Kokoroiyashi-hen and I talk about it here >>282801735https://vymanga.com/manga/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kokoroiyashihen
Ciconia SOON
>>282860418Satoko did nothing wrong. Rika had it coming. No one should be forced to study.
>>282860418>but neither Satoko nor Rika really got what they wanted this time in the end and just the "settle" for the ending.I was looking for the right words to describe it but you nailed it right here on why I ended up liking the anime version more than the manga even if one could say characters act more stupidly. When you compare the actual conclusion of both versions, manga Satoko basically only stops because now Satoshi wakes up earlier so she doesn't have to cling to Rika, not really because she regrets or thinks her actions were wrong. By the end all that happens in the manga is Satoko gets some PTSD from the experience but largely nothing changed from the original series ending. Well, also losing Hanyuu for reals I guess. Anime version also has them be in their teens at least by the ending so we actually moved forward in time instead of just bringing it all back to when they were still kids.
>>282860721Tsumi worked as a split POV arc because K1 kinda becomes the main character as Rena goes crazier, which fits because he saves her at the end. I don't know how a split Shmion POV Meakashi would work since Mion's perspective would just be "AAAAAAA Shion why are you doing this AAAAAAAA I'm dead"
are there any mion lovers here?
>>282860740Lambda was always a fusion of the two. Which is why Sotsugou is such a failure, it had one job (explain Bern and Lambda's origins) and didn't even do that properly.
>>282861781Why would anyone want Mion when Shion exists?
>>282861781There used to be more before Shitsogou existed.
>>282860740Not exactly, even way before Sotsugou was a thing, there was "Lambda's diary" when Umineko was still ongoing that explicitly has her mention that Takano is just one of the many humans who prayed to her. and though she was impressed enough to support her wish, ultimately Lambda dropped Takano when she failed.Of course its made even more complicated by another work later on I think was called "the last gift" that was the prelude for the Hotarubi manga that featured Takano, which had Lambda select her to be her piece for the gameboard Bern sent to her and described Takano as "her other self". Ryukishi really flip flops on who's actually Lambda's origin.
>>282786140I would argue it's the worst anime ever. Without an asterisk. It really ranks up there.
>>282837402im rewatching the deen anime because of this post
>>282837402>>282862486forgot screenshot
>>282859879What type of person do you have to be to be a fan of that brat Satoko? Renafags are mentally ill, Rikafags are unfunny twitter/redditfags, and Mionfags are normalfags who like her because she's the most normal
>>282862271I love how vague Lambdaās existence is because it should never really be a clear answer, it makes her and Bernās existences that much more weird and the meta world in Umineko feel that much more bizarre.
>>282859879Rena>Mion>Shion>>Rika>>>Shitoko
>>282862052Ironically I feel like Gou made a lot of fans appreciate and love the original Satoko so much more when they realize how much depth she had in the original compared to the shitshow that was Goutoko
>>282862604I have met two types of Satokofags in my life, the first being just the causal fan who enjoys her for her design and her tsundere imouto attitude. The second being utterly obsessed vengeful spirits who are so madly in love with Satoko they spend years of their lives writhing in agony over the mere existence of Gou making the mental illness aspect of Renafags look like a fucking jokeFor me it's Shion anyway
>>282786865that's literally his style, he is very repetitive in his style so he repeats things over and over again, it's his style.
>>282861781No, fuck mion
>>282786140I vaguely remember the original Higurashi anime but what was wrong with Gou?
>>282863765I would
>>282800202And she had nothing to do with her chapter's quality.
>>282800946Yeah, but nothing about what you said makes her interesting, it's just loliwaifu bait for loser spergs.>>282840994It's ok, everyone has waifus, but no need to make her like she was some deep and thought provoking character, that's just ridiculous.
>>282862709Goutoko was a perfectly logical evolution of her character though. She was obsessed with Nii-Nii, so it made sense to be obsessed with Rika, and she is very determined, as we know from Meikashi, so of course she'd turn into a hilarious schizophrenic witch once notFeatherine decided to have fun with her.
>>282864003>>282864027>>282864059Three garbage bait posts in a row lol
>>282864221He must be feeling lonely tonight.
>>282860884I imagined it'd be mostly before she got thrown in the dungeon, or even just for the 1982 section in the first part of the chapter.I want some more details of the twin switch aftermath too.
>>282861781Here.>>282862709Nah, you see way too much Gou/Sotsu specific Satoko fanart. She has more fans because you have fans of the original that ignore Gou/Sotsu and fans of Gou/Sotsu that act like she's an evolution of OG Satoko.Mion didn't get the same benefit since Syndrome Mion was just a Shion rip-off with less characterization, so there's nothing there for anyone.
>>282862604Cunny enjoyers of course
>>282860740Thing is, in spite of the whole "They're obviously talking about Higurashi when they mean their last game", some stuff made no sense with that, like Lambda considering herself betrayed by Bern, or Bern talking about how Lambda was terrifying and tortured her, but was also a girl (also, she expressly references her as a "girl", not an adult woman) she could understand. Heck, even them basically "inheriting" club's practices like the punishment game stuff at the end of Episode 4 makes much more sense with the new context.Now, you could always just dismiss all that as being part of the 900 years of Bern we haven't seen, but before Will comes up in episode 7 as someone who Bern has worked with in the past they really do nothing with that. We don't even see any of Lambda's supposed friends in spite of her supposedly being popular in the witch world. It's clear when they talk about their past you're 90% of the time meant to think about Higurashi.
>>282786183>Ruins both Satoko and Rika characters for the sake of the plotWhat character did Satoko had? If anything this series is a natural progression for their characters
>>282865441The way I see it, anytime they are together in public or talking about each other in front of other people, take it with a grain of salt because both are putting a performance and playing their own "roles" for the game. That's why you can disregard some stuff like how Bern threatens to spoil the culprit of Higurashi to Lambda who supposedly is still reading it yet she clearly knows whether she was Satoko or Takano during it. Or like Lambda throwing around her being part of the "senate" to threaten Bern to honor her promise to release Ange if Battler and Beato solve the purple truth game. The exception I think is when they are around Erika, I think they aren't really pretending and how they act around her match up to those scenes when its just both of them like in the tea parties of EP 4 and 8.
>no one likes MionWhere were you guys in 2020? I saw too many Mionfags being uppity back then.
Mion is like the only character I like between Higurashi and Umineko
I would kiss Mion given the opportunity
>>282866476I'd Mion Mion's Mions myself.
>>282866230People here will point to Satoko being the most ruined character due to Sotsugou but at least you had some people who liked her as a yandere and being stacked whilst others who got appalled started to get more appreciation about her own character arc in the original instead of just seeing her as a brat that totally deserved the beating Rika gave her in Rei. I really think Mion is the one who's had her character popularity get chipped at across the various works Ryukishi made of Higurashi since the ending of the original.
Mion's big fat butt which tanks syringes like they're not even there
>>282866401>>282866476>>282866661Samefag.
>>282866661Still can't believe they couldn't think of an actual answer and just skipped over it
>>282797326If you like watching dumping fires, just fast forward the recaps (90% of it).
>>282866614I'd imagine people liking goutoko because she's a completely different character is more horrifying to fans of OG Satoko.
>>282866614The thing I found interesting about Gousotsu was that Mionfags were generally ambivalent to the original cast getting demeaned and desecrated because they thought she won the Keiichibowl in Watadamashi. Then, when we saw what really happened in Wataakashi and how Satoko blew Mion's hand off and kicked her shit in, they suddenly were like, "oh this shit sucks".So, it was fine when the others were being character assassinated until it was Mion's turn to get shit on?
>>282866863dunno what you're on about, but as a Shmionfag, wataakashi was truly fucking abysmal. made it clear they were just going through meakashi while making it and copying down everything for Mion to do instead. Meanwhile Shion does the same shit pre-festival for no reason. that rushed arc pisses me off just thinking about it
>>282866760They also never bothered to show how Akasaka, Akane or anybody else got L5'd. Rena was the only one. Truly imaginative storytelling.
>ancient cannibal curses, brain parasites, government conspiracies, nerve gas death squadscool shit>a magical witch did itkinda gay>I'll torture and murder my friends hundreds of times over because I AM SOCIALLY RETARDED AND HATE STUDYING
>>282867260out of all the characters the one that gets beaten every 5 seconds and hated by an entire village of people, has no reason to give a shit about school of all fucking things , the entire sequel was a giant retard moment
>>282866863A lot of people accuse Mion fans of wanting her to be "perfect" and never fall for the syndrome like other characters (even R07 in the damned Hou+ cast party). But that's not the reason Wataakashi got suck backlash. What felt insulting is that her "fall" was just Shion's but with much less characterization, not something actually written for her.It's why most fans weren't bothered by Watadamashi, but turned heavily against how things turned out in Wataakashi. They expected twists behind those deaths and her motivation, not just "Mion is now the one killing her own family to stop the curse (which she knows her family has nothing to do with)". Watadamashi itself left a very good impression because it actually adapted the early Watanagashi scenes better than the Deen anime, keeping Mion's scenes as Mion's, rather than mixing things up and giving a bunch of them to Shion, to the point you end up with Shion praising the village's spirit of unity to Keiichi which makes zero sense for her character.People who look like mountain dogs show up at the end of Watadamashi when Mion mentions her "enemies" (Although Sotsu showed she was talking about Satoko, somehow). Watadamashi also freaking kept Shion's scene from the original VN where she mentions a grudge against Mion and the whole shrine visit - which Gou/Sotsu itself points out doesn't happen when Shion is in normal in Nekodamashi. And the gray clothes people were actually the police according to Wataakashi, even though at the end of Gou you see a distant shot of the police taking Keiichi out of the house in their usual dark uniforms, not looking like Mountain Dogs.People took that to mean there'd be a lot we don't know going on. But in the end, there was nothing to any of that, and police stuff was outright inconsistent. So, all the conspiracy Mion talks about in Watadamashi really was just her own family and she was killing them for no real reason.
>>282866863I felt the same way while Gou was going on, besides yurifags Mionfags were the most obnoxious fans of Gou and completely fine with the rest of the cast being character assassinated if it meant Mion came out looking good.
>>282868168>completely fine with the rest of the cast being character assassinated if it meant Mion came out looking goodI can't think of a single point in Gou that was actually good for Mion as a character. Wata bordered on nonsensical, and she apparently ceased to exist after 1983, not visiting the club anymore in her free time and not even returning for the festival(which is ridiculous). Maybe the 10 minutes of her with the college club was fun, but that's really it.
>>282868168I don't remember Mionfags being obnoxious at all. Do you just hate tomboys and/or green hair?
>>282868168I still remember my feed being full of Japanese Mionfags losing their minds over how she was "severely disrespected" in Wataakashi when they had been celebrating and ignoring everything else prior to that. Rena mindlessly stabbing Keiichi to death to shit on Tsumihoroboshi, Rika being stomped into a toilet and tortured, Satoko turning into Goutoko, Shion getting shafted and choked out, Keiichi essentially becoming useless and irrelevant unless conveniently L5...
>>282868523being mostly forgotten was probably a blessing
I don't trust Mionfags, I don't think I've ever met a Mionfag who wasn't always constantly seething either openly or behind a thin layer of composure.
>>282868297>I can't think of a single point in Gou that was actually good for Mion as a character.Like I said above, Watadamashi handled the Watanagashi early days much better than the Deen anime, aside from her getting the doll, the scene were much closer to the VN (and obviously getting the doll pleased Mion fans too). That's from where all the Mion fans hoping Gou/Sotsu would give them something good came from, even after her bad handling in the 1984 stuff, until Wataakashi came and crashed those hopes.Like remember this scene from the credits of Gou? Most scenes were direct references to scens from the OG Higurashi, but some were new like Hanyuu with high school Rika in the sea of fragments, and people were hoping it'd mean there was Sonozaki succession mess going on in the background in the future. In the end, it meant nothing, and likely was meant to reference the conflict in 82 when Shion was taken to be tortured by the Sonozaki even though it doesn't match it at all.
Wait, we hate Mion now? This thread was going fine, no Rikaschizo, none of the Satokei spergs, and then this/these couple of retards suddenly show up. We're never going to have wholesome, fun Higurashi threads ever again are we?I blame Umineko. I bet these speds are all Umineko fans.
>>282868965The way Mion as a character is handled is far from perfect, that's always been true even in the original Higurashi. Outside of shipping wars I don't know where anyone's getting this idea that Mionfags are somehow any more obnoxious or annoying than any other character fanboy from this series. Maybe the Satokei retard or that one Rikafag has mindbroken people so badly that relatively tame things seem abnormal by comparison.
>>282862486>>282862510I love the big DEEN heads so much.
>>282868965>>282869024>instantly blaming others and crying about anons not liking MionThis is why no one likes you fags, you're just so obnoxious and weirdly defensive when it comes to posting about her
>>282868965The first entire half of this thread was about how much anons hated Gou and Satoko/Satokei fags talking about how much they love Satoko. If talking about Rika or Satoko isn't wholesome or fun then go make a /c/ thread just about Mion then.
>>282869181The last twenty posts in this thread are largely you shitting on Mion or the non-existent obnoxious fans of hers who have hijacked your brain. Of course people are going to come to her defense. Fucking retard. Go back to your general on /jp/ with the other Umineko loving waifuwarring schizos.
>>282869281>people who don't like Mion are one personMionfags are all the same, insecure and annoying. Just like Mion.
I don't hate Mion I just think she's the least interesting member of the cast
>>282868965without love the thread cannot be good
I love trolling
What's wrong with Satokei?
I love every character and I don't mind any particular pairing since I just want everyone to be happy. It's only plebs that don't understand Ryukishi07's complex writing that choose certain characters over others.
I love every character!Except Takano. She deserved to die in horrific pain.
>>282870319this guy gets it
>>282866760In the manga Mion took a nap. Was it really so difficult to do the same in the anime?
>>282863806Gou is a sequel that never needed to exist.
>>282870073Nothing, it's cute
>>282869281>non-existent obnoxious fans of hersClearly you weren't there. The things Mionfags said about Rena and Rika were foul.
>>282870319Takano deserved a better childhood
>>282871260You'd need to actually have a separate scene for that. One other issue about Wataakashi is that it wanted to do everything but give Mion screentime outside of the gun duel with Satoko at the end.First episode is mostly a Satoko focused flashback about her getting and training with a gun. Mion infection is thrown in at the end.2nd episode does stuff like showing Shion being driven to the festival, getting the taser, hearing police rumors... all that nothing to the plot when she's suddenly killed at the end by Mion. Now, they were left in a rush to cover the rest of the plot in the third episode to the point they need a bunch of fast scene cuts, and even mess up Mion's outfit in one of the scenes (she's shown receiving Keiichi home in her kimino in Sotsu's original tv airing, when she should be in her uniform, only changing to the kimono inside. They actually fixed this in the BD though - although even with this fix you have her constantly changing from one outfit to another in Sotsu for no reason).>>282869281>>282871456Yeah, before Gou really got going with Nekodamashi and Satokowashi, these threads were dominated by Mion vs Rena.
>>282872229I think you meant to say before the tatarigoroshi knock off, after the blush scene the threads became Satorika vs Satokei for years
>>282871911>there's a fragment where Takano couldn't remember Hifumi's phone number and never left the orphanage, leading to peaceful life in HinamizawaOr is there? Was it a zettai moment that couldn't not happen?
>>282872905Due to the nature of fragments anything is possible as said by Ryukishi. Takano could be working in the red light district alongside Mion and Rena rimming fat business men to make a living, this is equally as canon as the original story
Is there a general for WTC somewhere?
>>282873128no.
>>282873128yes its called 4chan
>>282871911she deserves being thrown into a giant pile of jello and then ripped apart by 200 goatmen and then her scraps of flesh to be used as a skirt for a punishment game
>>282873128Yes over here>>>/jp/50126350>>>/jp/50126348
>>282813025Context? Iām curious to see who is deranged enough to make the Rika fans leave.
>>282873548I shudder to recall him.
>>282859879Rena>Hanyuu>Rika>Shion>Mion>Satoko
If you have Satoko in last place you aren't human
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