Honestly, the fact that this went badly was entirely her fault
>>282804520No, it was Shitji's fault for not being a man and not take initiative.
>>282804520>>282804619It was both's fault.
>>282804619Shinji never actually expresses any interest in being in a relationship at all though, why would he do anything?
>>282804741There was nothing at stake for Shinji though, he probably thought it was just a cruel prank
>>282805418He could have played along and seen how far he could go.
>>282805418>>282805512You have to understand his parents fucked his ass up.
>>282805562So did Asuka's to her.
>>282804520Almost everything that went badly for Asuka was her own fault.
>>282805635Like what?
>>282805614A girl will always have people fawning over her to make sure she is alright. Asuka manages to fuck that up by being a massive cunt.
>>282806421Who was fawning over for Asuka? The only guardian in her life was Misato and she spent all her time drunk or focused on Shinji.
>>282806514Literally everyone at her school.
>>282806514You need to remember that even Misato being a total drunkard is a more living guardian that anything Shinji had since Yui died.His uncle I assume was a stable enough adult, but even then I think it was mentioned he was a responsible yet cold adult. Sure he gave Shinji a house, food and educational but seemingly there was no familial relationship there, unlike with Misato
>>282804520Asuka is the main culprit of her own destruction.
>>282804619アスカはなぜ、シンジとキスしようとしたのか？それは加持に対する一種のあてつけともとれるが、その意味はわからない。いづれにしても、シンジにとってこの事件は、後を引くことがなかったのは確かである。>Why did Asuka decide to kiss Shinji? It was done out of spite in regards to Kaji, even if she didn't know the reason herself. In any case, it is clear the situation left no lingering effects on Shinji.>In any case, it is clear the situation left no lingering effects on Shinji.
Rebuilds don't really matter anon, move on. AsuShin won thirty years ago.
>>282804520I hate when girls do this to me because I'm never sure what they want and it always turns awkward afterwards.
>>282807785This has happened multiple times to you?
>>282804520Asuka consented Kensuke after all
>>282806867the boys wanted to fuck her but the girls all hated her ass
>>282807381>unclethat's a manga thing iirc, in the show i think he was living with a tutor
>>282809145Same thing, though? I doubt his tutor, someone that doesn't even share his blood, went too much out of his way to do anything but the professional minimum. In comparison, Misato was a lot more affectionate and loving guardian.
Unlike Kensuke who never forgot or abandoned Asuka, his girl.
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>>282804520Toxic trash. Asukafags waifu worship literal garbage unable to take responsibility for her own stupidity.
>>282810494Still the only officially sanctioned piece of media depicting events after EoE
>>282810559canon is a western concept
>>282810572Kensuke banging Asuka is a western concept backed by Anno then
>>282810591way to miss the point
>>282810606Arguing about whether they're "canon" or not is pointlessHell, canonicity itself us a pointless denominatorThese are clearly separate stories linked together by recurring ideas, characters and concepts
>>282809123>women don’t like me wah Gee maybe she should have been less cunty. >>282810591Yea I’m going to fuck my irl BPD demon gf.
>>282810649>trying to claim there is no canon to eva whilst simultaneously trying to act like a piece of artwork not affiliated with the film itself is canonliterally not what I said, but go offthis is clearly a very touchy topic for you
>>282810717>no ualright buddy, this is your last (You)don't spend it all in one place
>>282806963AsuShin is the ship of EVA
>>282810377She's 13
>>282810494That is the canon conclusion to EoE. Rebuilds are their own thing and thus do not matter.
>>282810700she wasn't cunty to them, they resented her probably because she was taking away all the attention. it's in the montage at the start of ep 9.
>>282810858Or at least closest to canon that exists, because nothing else exists
>>282810799What a pathetic unfulfilling existence you must endure to be this emotionally invested in resentfully spiting others online.
>>282810818Out of 10>>282810877Her arrogant nature is more than enough to scare away most jap girls. Hikari is a saint for putting up with her attitude.
>>282810700>Shinji: "God Kensuke is such a lucky dog"
>>282809123She hated those boys
>>282811071>Asuka: "You're not my Kensuke"
>>282811087Who?
>>282810881Anon, it's been 30 years. The entire point of EoE is that it culminates in Asuka and Shinji's overcoming their issues in their own deranged little way to embrace one another. There don't need to be follow up stories to make that clear because the entire point of Eva IS that relationships are messy, confusing and complicated. EoE's point is that life is worthwhile despite all the suffering; Anno's philosophy would've been undermined if he showed Asuka and Shinji's existence after returning from the LCL in an idyllic manner, because as life is worthwhile despite the suffering, so conversely to is life filled with suffering despite its being worthwhile. Asuka and Shinji continue to be deeply traumatized individuals with unresolved issues who will encounter much hardship in trying to build and sustain their bond, but they've taken the first step to maturation; because of the events during the Third Impact, Asuka has regained some semblance of self-worth and no-one feels the need to debase herself to gain Shinji's approval, nor does she any longer feel entitled to his affection without reciprocating or appreciating his own issues as a person, reducing him to a doll like she feared being reduced herself; Shinji realized the need to be more open and assertive about his desires and affection towards others without resenting others for not immediately satiating them. The foundation has been laid, and the rest is left to our imagination.
>>282811106Her husband.
>>282811122>everything I don't agree with is headcanon
>>282810925Not really. Haven't even seen the Rebuilds to be honest. EoE was already perfectly executed as is. The Kensuke memes stopped being funny years ago. You're not really accomplishing anything by constantly spamming them. Are you offering any actual insights into the themes or nuances of EoE? Are you articulating any particularly incisive, edifying and perspicacious arguments? Come on. At least the DBS cuckposters are funny.
>>282811208>what's the cut ending where shinji is holding hands with rei's detached armA very overt devilman reference
>>282810360>No matter how dark a story gets, it should always have a happy ending. -Me
>>282811122During the train scene, Asuka literally says that she doesn't mind Shinji's masturbating to her despite how disgusting she is by it because she is incredibly desperate for affection and approval from someone else. She expresses offence during Arael's mental assault at Shinji's not being affectionate towards her because she is only concerned with her own desires. She doesn't see Shinji as a person with his own struggles and own mental issues, his own reasons for being apprehensive towards her; she has stripped him of his individuality and rendered him an object who only exists to satiate her own desires. Her desperation for affectation leads her to objectifying herself. But when confronted by who Shinji truly is, she sees herself in him, and in seeing her reflection, she rejects his advances; Shinji must first learn to love himself before loving her, because in dehumanizing her, he is dehumanizing herself, and there is no merit to being in a relationship with someone like that.At the beach, Asuka shows affection to Shinji, but she also says "How disgusting", because in contrast to the scene in the train, she has the self-worth to not allow herself to be reduced to a masturbation tool. Her honesty at her disgusting with Shinji is what ends up facilitating a true honest relationship between the two; not merely a false relationship built on deceit and mutual exploitation, but one on understanding and a willingness to reach out to the other side.Why the fuck are you posting in Eva threads if you don't grasp the basic themes of Eva?
Rebuilds is actually better than EoE
negotiations were off the table when the angels appeared
>>282811295You are talking to someone who doesn't care one iota about eva
>>282811208It's actually because the entire show and the film itself revolves around the relationship of the two characters as parallels to one another, juxtaposed by the different ways the Hedgehod dilemma manifests in them. Both feel entitled to others' attention, but whereas Shinji mopes about and then grows resentful that no-one reaches out to him despite refusing to reach out to them, Asuka is relentlessly aggressive. Both refuse to understand how others think and are solipsistically concerned with their own selfish wants and needs. They both seek the approval of others. Asuka resents Shinji because she sees herself in him and his outward weakness is a reflection of her inward fragility and desperate need for approval from others. She feels drawn to him insofar she knows he can be someone who can understand her, but in her own entitlement, she lacks understanding of Shinji because she doesn't understand herself. The mind meld deals with their neuroses and is a thematic elaboration of their conflict in the show.The final scene is really just the consummation of everything portrayed hitherto.
>>282807582Why do you keep reposting that retardation from some desk jockey when the moment left such a lingering effect that it's what was in Shinji's head as he entered instrumentality
>>282811331Why go in Eva threads if you're gonna dismiss all actual attempts to analyze as "pseud shit"? You strike me as deeply insecure.
>>282811439>Evangelion does not revolve around the two characters with the most screentime and dialogue by far
Asushin is the center of evangelion simply because showing it to a normie leads to them walking away with Asuka and Shinji as the central figures in their head. Cut the analysis, cope. fandomfagging and shipping, Asuka and Shinji are very clearly the central characters of the story and themes to any normal person that watches.
>>282811439Surely if it's headcanon, you'd be able to rebut the point? Eva revolves around the themes of loneliness, the Hedgehog dilemma, the need for learning to love yourself before loving others, the fundamentally lonely nature of human existence due to our inability to perfectly understand others, and coping with past trauma. If there is one thing that most perfectly encapsulates Eva's themes, it's Shinji's mother deciding to float eternally around the cosmos as a symbol of mankind's lonely existence, a monument to both our suffering yet also incredible capacity for love.Yet Asuka and Shinji's relationship is one of the ways that these themes are most fruitfully explored and elaborated upon. It is not the central element per se, but it is one of its most crucial and thematically rich elements. And how central the relationship is to the show does not by itself have any bearing on whether or not Asuka and Shinji are meant to be together by the end.
Another thread that vindicates my hatred of asuka shippers.
>>282811550They don't spam the catalog or shit up entire threads though, unlike some people
>>282811463And yet his scenes with Asuka are considerably more impactful to his character and the exploration of the narrative's themes.
>>282810700There's a good chance it was ripped from that side too.
>>282811550>AAARRRGGHHHH! I went into a thread about Asuka and Shinji's relationship and people there were analyzing and discussing the relationship! THE HORROR!What a faggot.
>>282811411Well Shinji also complains to the three girls during Instrumentality about their mixed signals, their non-committal approach to him, their stringing him along as he is left confused about whether they like him or not, as he fears rejection after reciprocating what he sees as warmth and affection at one turn, and scorn and disgust at another. Nothing exemplifies that better than Asuka ridiculing and humiliating him one moment and then being desperate for his affection and approval the next, as seen in that particular scene.
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>>282811295Nicely put.
ReiShin for the win
>>282810914It's not resentful spiting if we actually self insert as Kensuke and not limp wristed Shinji.
>>282805635This, Asuka is garbage for garbage people
>>282811478Cute and canon.
>>282810818Imagine how much worse it's gonna get.
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>>282810572You will never be Japanese
>>282804520Who said it went badly? She got what (or rather who) she wanted at the end.
>>282811309
Aw shit, here we go again.
>>282810776Arbitrarily decided by /a/?
>>282814714Asuka getting a good ending makes no sense as she never made any steps to get there. Even in Rebuild, Shinji has to be the one send her to Kensuke. Coma or death was the only possible outcome for her.
>>282814714
Easy. ignore you, since you clearly don't understand how "past and "present" tense works. Another Asushin win
Asushin status: KAJI'D
>>282816558>more unproven accusationsKWABaroo!
>>282805851* chasing a man twice her age and getting butthurt when he doesn't reciprocate* mistreating the boy who actually wants her and saved her life* antagonizing a fellow female pilot for no reason instead of befriending her* turning a life-and-death situation where cooperation is key, into a competition* overestimating her own abilities* getting angry whenever things don't go her wayThere's probably more stuff that I'm forgetting now. The point is: she started as the best pilot, genius level IQ, everyone liked her. And somehow she managed to ruin everything.
>>282816808>Kensuke is still fucking Asuka.He sure is!
>>282816825Did the ban evasion work?
>>282816870:(
Why are all Eva threads like this?
>>282816870LMAO. 1005 is one
>>282805851Choosing to pilot the eva to begin with.
>he SKEDADDLED
>>282817204Do you really think she had a choice?
>>282818314Uhh, yes? Unlike Rei, who's literally the property of NERV, and Shinji, who was forced by the circumstances, she could have just said no.
>>282813249I suppose self-inserting into fictional characters is the only time you get to win in your life. Much like Asuka, you seethe about Shinji because you don't want to admit he is who you really are.
>>282818967Shinji was no more forced than Asuka and spent a lot less time in the "care" of Nerv than Asuka on top of that.
>>282814783>ArbitrarilyThere are several essays here explaining why it is an important part of the story.
>>282819331Shinji was given the choice "either you get out there and fight that giant monster without any prior training, or this girl dies", and he chose to risk his life. Just for that he should be considered a hero. Meanwhile Asuka was doing it to stroke her own ego.
>>282819888That's a choice, he also had the choice to just ignore the summons from his father, he also did choose to leave and Nerv didn't try to stop him.And do you really think Nerv didn't constantly tell Asuka "you are saving the world"? don't be stupid.
actually it's gendo's fault for not moving on.
>>282819888Except the story makes it quite clear that Shinji is only fighting for the sake of approval from his father. Just like Asuka. He initially resents being forced to fight because he feels like Gendo only sees him as a tool and not a son to be loved, and he especially does not want to fight out of fear of being scorned for failing. But he himself admits that Gendo's positive assessment of his performance is what keeps him going every time.
if only
>>282819745>[HEADCANON]
>>282820858Citing actual scenes from the anime and EoE and interpreting them in relation to other scenes is headcanon? You seem butthurt.
>>282820995So did you just completely miss the part where I explained that Shinji feels entitled to the affection of others, struggles with understanding them, and fears rejection and ostracization? His feelings for Asuka were not particularly mature and deep; the entire point IS that you can't love others without loving yourself first. You lack even the basic intelligence to understand the sequencing of an arc. Shinji sees trying to understand Asuka as a burden and desires to reduce her to his own flesh toy; his paying more attention to Kaworu is perfectly consistent with that. The point is that Shinji confronts those flaws because of Human Instrumentality and begins the first steps of trying to understand Asuka as a person instead of someone who exists solely to please and validate him.
>>282821204The person you are discussing with is not arguing in good faith.
>>282816766makes logical sense when you put it like that
>>282821255Gendo and Shinji's being important is not mutually exclusive with Asuka and Shinji's being important? You do realize that Asuka's and Shinji's relationship to their parents mirror one another, right? They both are driven by their seeking the approval of others. Shinji is withdrawn and melancholic in mirroring Gendo's coldness and indifference to him; Asuka is assertive and demanding as an image of her mother reducing her to an object of affection with no appreciation of her inner emotional state, a false and degenerate distortion of actual human bonds. Each has their own place when it comes to exploring the themes of Eva. But Shinji's ultimate confrontation is not with Gendo, it is with the three girls. What pushes him to embrace death is Asuka's rejecting him.It's also funny how you just completely abandoned the argument about Kaworu once it was exposed it doesn't actually refute the points I made at all. Shifting the goalposts, much?
>>282819888>Meanwhile Asuka was doing it to stroke her own ego.i thought it was cause her mom was a bitch
>>282821448>>282821255>>282821204desu, Rei and Shinji is more important, as a duo with both strained relationships with Gendo, whose arc is partly standing up against him.Asuka is more like a foil that represents the possible outcome for those unwilling to change.
>>282821574It's funny because Asuka = EscapismRei = Realityis more in line with the show and EoE. I'm sorry about Kaworu though, because he doesn't establish himself as someone tied down to reality. He's more idealistic fantasy, whereas Asuka is escapist fantasy.More people should sit down, think a little, and not gloss over that Rei is the one who advocates, both in and out of instrumentality, to not substitute reality with fantasy. Asuka otoh handles her life by pretending she's the best Eva pilot and ignoring the huge red flags around her (and in her).Rei: This convenient fabrication is your attempt at a revenge against reality.Shinji: Is it wrong?Rei: You escaped into imagination, and distorted the truth.Shinji: Is it wrong to have my own dream?Rei: That is not a dream. It would just be compensating for reality.
>>282820646Manga canon, btw. (Yes I know that's from GfoS)
>>282821821>he can't readPromptly disembowel yourself to salvage the honour of this thread.
>>282821574I've never been on EvaGeeks except maybe once or twice. My opinion on Eva and EoE was developed entitely from just watching them. Once again, you seem butthurt and insecure. If you've seen the arguments before, why do you keep failing to rebut them?I would not characterize Kaworu and Rei as signifying "escapism" by any means. Rei has her own unique arc of developing some kind of humanity thanks to Shinji, but the consummation thereof lies in her restoring Yui's ideal in her, not because she was a clone of hers, but because of her own unique experiences, and rejecting Gendo's desire to reduce her to his own tool to facilitate his own escapist fantasies. It is the ultimate rebuke of Gendo that his own "doll" for reuniting with Yui ended becoming most like her in rejecting his own selfish suicidal desire to escape from his responsibilities and refusal to accept Yui's death. But whereas there is a clear romantic undertone to Rei and Shinji, it's clear her most proper ending isn't with Shinji himself.
>>282821903Sneed, illiterate jeet.
>>282821893Gendo tried to mess with something beyond his control.He wanted to bring Yui into a vessel he stole from ancient organisms he didn't understand, to incarnate Yui. But instead of Yui, he caught an elder god in his snare.Gendo was always doomed.Rei, or her true persona, Lilith, would always be drawn towards her own form and as such rebel. Under Rei's sweetness there's a darkness that's never been explored, which is sad.Anno is a faggot, and all that.
>>282821377I am interesting in seeing in how desperate he is to keep digging himself into a hole by just continuously denying the text of the story out of sheer pathetic resentment.>>282821903Wow, anon. You must get so many damn bitches. Why else would you be on a Mongolian basket weaving forum seething about discussion of a fictional relationship?
"just bee yourself" - Rei ayanabee
>>282822131this is why is rei is best girlalso best girl for shinji
>>282822002That's quite a shot.
>>282821575I don't really agree. Rei serves to show Shinji's capacity for understanding others and showing them affection. He sets aside his resentment of Rei due to her receiving attention from Gendo he is himself is desperate for, and learns to reach out to her and to think for herself, develop as a person instead of someone who only exists to serve Gendo's desires and his agenda. Conversely, Shinji and Asuka's relationship shows to depict his selfishness, entitlement, and tendency to see reaching out to and understanding others as a burden to himself. Asuka and Shinji's complicated relationship becomes ever more prominent towards the end of the show as the exploration of Shinji's hypocritical reluctance to understand Asuka despite his own desire for others to understand and love him is utilized to expose Shinji's deeper flaws. The conclusion of the entire narrative in EoE places a greater importance on Asuka inasmuch as Shinji's growing to understand her is something he must necessarily undergo to grow as a person, to show how his loving himself enables him to love others.But all of the characters in Eva serve their purpose and are utilized perfectly to explore its themes. Remove any one of them, and the story suffers. At the end of the day, Shinji's myopic obsession with his own desires and issues at the expense of Asuka is only so compelling because we see his being so much better towards Rei; hence why the show focuses on Asuka's resentment towards Rei so much. If Rei wasn't there, Asuka and Shinji's relationship wouldn't be as compelling.
>>282818314Piloting the eva is 100% her choice. >>282818967Shinji quit at least twice.
>>282810776If by ship you mean a rock.
>>282822521I get it, because it sinks right?
>>282822131This may be an Asuka thread but we all love Rei too.
>>282822488My point was that if you count coercion and manipulation as not having a choice, then she didn't really have a choice either.
>>282822158Huh? I was ridiculing you for screaming "muh loser" like you think you are in fucking high school. No-one here is impressed. Now like a kike you cry out in pain while stabbing others; you haven't made a single good faith argument and have dutifully obviated anything that I've said.But go ahead. Please explain the significance of Asuka's telling Shinji that she doesn't care if he masturbates to her despite finding it disgusting so long as he is hers and hers alone in contrast to her attitude in the kitchen Instrumentality scene and the final beach scene.
>>282822600I accept your concession.
>>282822363There's a weakness in the foundation of your view though:Rei in paritcular isn't, wasn't and didn't herself identify as a tool for Gendo's plans. That's why, in the first episodes of Rei's introduction, you have her explicitly denying that. Rather she fights and lives for her bonds with others, chasing humanity or something like that was never part of her character. Rather her own mystery was.If there was one pilot character who from the very start, thought for herself, it has to be Rei.Asuka's resentment isn't reserved for Rei either, but for everyone since she herself spirals down beneath them all. "I hate everyone". So in EoE, it still mirrors the TV-series, Asuka isn't one who can fix herself and must rely on others to fix her, with magic if necessary. Again, this is as a foil, as there is no developing relationship between Shinji and Asuka in any way whatsoever. With Rei and Shinji, they are pursuing their goals, some common, and those two are the ones who heal each other and complement each other fully.Remove any one character and the story suffers, that much is true.
>>282822158>>282822600>gets called out>loses all pretence of having any kind of pointI'd say it's unexpected but I did call it.
>>282822363>Remove any one of them, and the story suffersAsuka can be removed with no consequences, because Shinji already has Gendo (who's his father and with whom he seeks to connect in a meaningful manner ever since episode 1).>If Rei wasn't there, Asuka and Shinji's relationship wouldn't be as compellingRei has no consequence on the Shinji/Asuka dynamic, it's a purely superficial relationship and ultimately bound to crash and burn no matter what.
>>282822736>doesn't even address the points made in that post or othersThis is just getting sad.
>>282822736True, Asuka is unnecessary as a character when we consider the plot, buuut I think the anon is getting at her story worth.That's why spinoffs and fanfics have to "elevate" Asuka somehow so she can match Rei's weight and staying power in the lore, otherwise there is literally no point in having Asuka there at all.In the story, Asuka can't be removed with no consequences. I mean, it's a story about failing to connect, and no one fails harder than Asuka.
>>282822706No. Asuka hates everyone, but she resents certain people in particular. She resents Shinji most of all because she doesn't want to admit she is drawn to him, as he reminds of herself and she feels that pursuing Kaji would validate her as someone adult and mature, rather than admitting she has issues that can be best understood by Shinji. She specifically associates Rei with being reduced to someone who exists solely to please someone else, in part because she feels that she needs to debase herself to receive approval from Shinji, even if ultimately due to her self-loathing she is willing to lower herself even to that level. Asuka ultimately has an easier time fixing herself, as in Instrumentality she gains an understanding of Shinji and realizes that to truly love others she must first learn to love herself and loses her willigness to debase herself for approval. She achieves some semblance of character development before Shinji does. Trying to pretend she is meant to be someone who symbolizes those who could never move on or improve is idiotic and ignoring the many different character dynamics and subtleties of EoE.If Rei thought for herself at the start, there wouldn't need to be such emphasis on her smiling or growing to appreciate Shinji for saving her and showing concern for her.
Asukunts literally tongue my anus.Shinji is entitled to my love. I owe him sex.
I edited asuka out of this pic, btw >>282823147:3
>>282823082Nah, Asuka hates Rei because she's better than her. Plain and simple. No real mystery at all. That she (Rei) is a "doll" and all that is simply a self-defense mechanism, to avoid admitting that she is inferior. Classic Asuka, again.The truth of Asuka's character, and something she has to face in episode 22, is that she herself is the doll. The doll that haunts her is herself.Asuka does not have an "easier time fixing herself", she literally couldn't. It's simply the truth. In NGE, her story ends with her going insane and being hospitalized. EoE also starts there, but puts her in EVA02 thanks to Misato, but that helping from her or her real mother doesn't save her. She dies, screaming. Then the soulmelding begins, and she has no role or fixing in EoE, but in 25 she does, but again that is an introspection led and narrated by Rei.>Trying to pretend she is meant to be someone who symbolizes those who could never move on or improve is idiotic and ignoring the many different character dynamics and subtleties of EoE.But it is true, simple as. She didn't move on or fix herself, it took space magic and even then it's left unanswered. Contrast it with the characters who actually self-actualized and faces their issues and won.>If Rei thought for herself at the start, there wouldn't need to be such emphasis on her smiling or growing to appreciate Shinji for saving her and showing concern for her.It's you who missed it, Rei smiles before episode 6. It's not that she can't smile, she's simply an awkward girl who's put in an awkward situation (shinji crying for her).The point you're seeking isn't there, and was never emphasized by NGE at all, it was by fans who misunderstood it. Classic Evageek-ism to be honest, the lowest tier of understanding as it rejects the facts of the story in favor of fantasy.
>>282812000Women were a mistake.
>>282823294They were the first unnecessary sequel.
>>282823265The conclusion to the TV anime and EoE are the same story portrayed through different angles. This entire post is nothing but idiotic trash which ignores every single argument provided and is thinly veiled seethe. Asuka specifically expresses resentment of Rei once she sees Shinji paying attention to the latter. Her seeing Rei as a "doll" due to her own discomfort with her own self-loathing and willingness to debase herself for affection is something I already stated and does not contradict anything I said in the slightest. You keep ignoring the relation of the beach scene and kitchen scene to the train scene because it refutes your argument. Rei may not be a symbol for escapism, but you most certainly are indulging in it.>It's you who missed it, Rei smiles before episode 6. Yes, with Gendo. And her smile towards Shinji is completely different to her smile towards Gendo. It's much more expressive and full, to emphasize it is more authentic than her fake smile towards Gendo. The fact that she only has a soft smile with Gendo while lacking emotion when Shinji even touches her breast accidently only reinforces that she is but playing out a script to appease Shinji's father. Hence Shinji's shock at Rei's smiling *and* Gendo's paying more attention to her than his own son.>Classic Evageek-ismThat site must be really based if it made you seethe this hard. Once again, I've barely if ever used it.
>>282823749C'mon, you're just coping now. If you had an argument for why Asuka being choked shows independent development, you'd surely have made it by now.Eva presents it's truth, raw and bare, Asuka dies crazy in both EoTV and EoE before Shinji and Rei's instrumentality complements EVERYONE, baring everyone's hearts to each other, before releasing them back to the world.It's arguably irrefutable. Asuka is someone who can't fix herself or others, and that's why she never does in EoTV or EoE. Contrast with Rei and Shinji, whose relationship heal each other and indeed, make possible the revival of Asuka as well, along with the rest of the world.>Yes, with Gendo. And her smile towards Shinji is completely different to her smile towards Gendo. It's much more expressive and full, to emphasize it is more authentic than her fake smile towards Gendo.Listen to yourself. Rei didn't fake a smile for Gendo, she was genuine, girly even in tiptoing down to him and smiling enthusiastically about Eva piloting. It doesn't lack emotion at all. Just look at this body language.Still, even if you were right you'd prove your own point wrong still, that the emphasis is on Rei's evolution. People make a big deal out of it because it's cute when Rei smiles.>That site must be really based if it made you seethe this hard. Once again, I've barely if ever used it.I didn't say you use it, it's simply a hive of villainy and scum where misunderstandings and shipping is rampant.
>>282823941Shinji only fixes his issues because of the occurance of Human Instrumentality. This is pure nonsense. At no point does Eva claim people should or can fix their issues on their own. It emphasizes the need for human connection and for understanding others, which entails loving oneself, yes, but that hardly occurs apart from connections to others. You still haven't actually reckoned with Asuka's character arc in EoE or why she is the first person after Shinji to return (which by itself already speaks volumes), why she shows affection towards Shinji after he bares his true self to her, and why she says "How disgusting" in contrast to her saying she doesn't care if Shinji masturbates to her prior.>People make a big deal out of it because it's cute when Rei smiles.It's actually because she is completely cold and inhuman when interacting with Shinji prior.>it's simply a hive of villainy and scum where misunderstandings and shipping is rampant.Ironic given you're obviously a staunch shipper yourself.
>>282811071Arrogant bitch
Poor Asuka. When kensuke spammer is not here, Reifags depict her as the worst character.
>>282824234>Shinji only fixes his issues because of the occurance of Human Instrumentality. At no point does Eva claim people should or can fix their issues on their own. Aha, therein lies the point. Shinji is able to fix his issues and save himself through the good, real relationships he made over the course of the series. Relationships Asuka couldn't make. His bonding with Rei, and vice versa, changed both of them, so that they would seek each other and heal.The human connection made by Rei and Shinji, but not Asuka, is what enables their mutual salvation, and through it, humanity.Some have the strength to do this, with others, or alone, but Asuka doesn't. >It's actually because she is completely cold and inhuman when interacting with Shinji prior.I wouldn't say inhuman, she gets angry when he insults their daddy. Detached, morose, maybe, but not inhuman. Plus her coldness only makes the smile warm all the better.But, it does not show her doing something she was normally incapable of.>Ironic given you're obviously a staunch shipper yourself.Not at all, EVA is above such things. It's Shinji x Depression & Healing all the way for me.It's just that Asuka ain't all that, fuck that Anon who says she's irrelevant and all, but she's really more of a showcase of "how 2 not b" rather than some recipe for success.
>>282824488She IS the worst character. Asuka fans denying that is what wrought Shikinami and Kensuke upon them.Shikinami and all that would be entirely unnecessary if Asuka "fans" would accept Asuka for what she was.
>>282824533>She IS the worst character. How?
>>282824635How not? She is prideful with nothing to be prideful of, her egoism gets others killed, and when people toil to help and save her, she repays them with hate.To get lower we're reaching into villain territory, where perhaps she belongs.
>>282824533She's a great character but she is a complete failure of a person.
>>282824700This guy gets it.
>>282824692>her egoism gets others killedLiterally when? That sounds like shinji during zeruel episode.
>>282824783In that very same episode, Asuka's stubborness causes her EVA to crash into shelter, killing the civilians there.Asuka's failure as a pilot left Shinji and Rei alone as the final Angels approached, instead of being a team, she left them alone and cursed them.
>>282824533>Asuka fans denying that is what wrought Shikinami and Kensuke upon them.Truth. Asuka fans have always simped, and pushed a fantasy version of Asuka was stronger. Even though Asuka doesn't have the constitution to be strong, like Rei or even Shinji whose natural talent takes him far.Asuka was just a weak girl who tried to appear strong, and Asuka fans pushed, they eroded her very character, killing Asuka after Asuka until you get Shikinami. Like 3.0+1.0 revealed.Shikinami, who is like Rei, a clone, an angel with great strength, who wanders around naked fearless and detached, someone human yet not human, someone who's repeated deaths and defeats doesn't stagger her. Even their names mirror each other.
>>282824996The Asuka endgame is becoming Rei.
>>282824499There is no use in arguing with a clearly biased and tribalistic Reifag incapable of analyzing the narrative with a cool head. Shinji and Asuka are both at their lowest at the beginning of EoE. They have both destroyed their relationships with virtually everyone. There's a reason Shinji resorts to masturbating to the comatose Asuka and why he is so depressed by the death of Kaworu. Shinji wouldn't be making the decision to desire death and escape from the cruelty of the world during Human Instrumentality otherwise after Asuka rejects him. It's nice and all to point out how Rei facilitates Shinji's arc within Human Instrumentality, but when you ignore Asuka's development therein because you only pay attention to the Rei scenes, you're just embarrassing yourself.>she's really more of a showcase of "how 2 not b" rather than some recipe for success.No different from Shinji then.
>>282822581>coercion and manipulationAsuka herself chose to pilot, nobody forced her hand. Nerv made it clear that she was disposable.
>>282825116There is no development for Asuka or you'd point it out. Getting spunked on, choked or whatever is not development. It sounds like porn.There's no point in arguing this because you know I'm right.Not that you aren't right on a few points mind you, Shinji, Rei, Misato, they all have elements of "pls dont do this", though for the earlier mentioned characters there are high points.If you so desire an Asuka that is strong, I recommend buying a Rei figure and painting her hair and plugsuit red.
>>282824996>>282825079If Anno did this on purpose, then I take back what I said about the rebuilds.The master has fucking done it again and I was too blind to see.
>>282824838Oh yeah i bet Rei's dumb suicidal action didn't harm anyone lol.
>>282825312Didn't even harm herself, might have put a dent in the EVA repair budget but it was a good attempt even if it failed.
>>282825175And the exact same thing is true of Shinji. He was never forced to pilot, it was even green lit for him to leave, twice.
>>282825224He is just cherrypicking and blaming Asuka for everything lol. I bet the second impact is Asuka's fault somehow lmao
>>282825209The development was pointed out in several posts. You might as well say Shinji also has no development because he is choking Asuka during and after Human Instrumentality. Which is in fact the logical conclusion of your assertions. You still haven't actually reckoned with Asuka's saying she would be fine with his masturbating to her so long as he is hers and hers alone or how her attitude in comparison to that in the kitchen and beach scenes. And you won't, because your waifufagging won't allow.>If you so desire an Asuka that is strongYour idiosyncratic nonsensical definition of "strength" does not concern me. I just enjoy Asuka for the character she was written as.>>282825140>doesn't even have the balls to argue against the points himselfWhat a faggot.
Thread was good until the "k" schizo arrived.>>282825353>>282825175ACKSHUALLY, Asuka or Shinji didn't really "chose" to be pilots, and neither did Rei.The latter is born into it and doesn't just feel she has nothing else, she is physiologically dependent on staying at NERV and can't just fuck off without red alerts triggering all over NERV because their ancient seed god just left her two weeks notice.Shinji was coerced to pilot, he didn't seek it out.Asuka was, despite what idiots and herself believes, didn't choose shit either. She was pre-selected before knowing even what an EVA was, and her mother volunteered herself and her into the EVA unit programme, presumably with the rest of the pilots in 2-A and their dead mothers on storage.So Asuka is a puppet, controlled and levviied as a control devices for the giant ancient alien humaoid clone known as EVA's. She's programmed and dependent on it to being unable to exist without it. She literally shuts down.
>>282825561I wonder why eva threads have so many schizos lol.
>>282825474Man, the only one who's high on waifu is you dude.You're pointing to non-existent development.>Your idiosyncratic nonsensical definition of "strength" does not concern me. I just enjoy Asuka for the character she was written as.Then you'll have to concede that she has no development out of her casket of insanity in EoTV, or EoE, that isn't facilitated by Shinji or Rei, on no part of her own.In EoE, there is no "I" in instrumentality (there's two but you get the point), their selves are dissolved, the sole exceptions are Rei and Shinji who sit atop of it all for a moment to reflect on what has been brought upon everyone by kikes, fags, kikes and yuiniggers.By the lore, there's no individual development that isn't the "I" being complemented by the "other", through sheer raw force.The final scene is vague and up for interpretation; if Shinji chokes Asuka because he realizes what cunt she is, or whatever else, is up to you. It's not the final, it's just "one more" final after all.
>>282825616The final is just anno's coping for Asuka VA while showing us his love for ultraman. Nothing more
>>282825474Asuka's end of development is a fact. She ends up in a hospital, and that's the end of her story as an independent character. She's broken down to be healed by Rei in EoE, and by Rei again + Shinji in EoE.
>>282820995Actually, Asuka is still in his thoughts throughout the episodeAt the starts he wonders where she went, but concludes that even if he found her she wouldn't want to see him, and later on he spares a moment to apologize to her for wrecking unit 02
>>282825685You're really desperate to ignore all of the scenes in EoE. This is extremely pathetic. I accept your concession.
>>282825729I can't belive he's gonna cum to comatose Asuka. Hospital scene is just stupid.
>>282825754What scenes?
>>282825729Nah, he doesn't give a shit. It's because he's attacking an EVA, their allies, and it so happens to be Asuka's.
>>282825776Ah I see. You didn't even read my posts. I really am dealing with a true bonafide schizo.
>>282825799Lmao this is kensuke shitposting level.
>>282821724>Asuka = Escapism>Rei = Realitythat (and the reverse) is reductive, yet another attempt at a combination dial solution to a multifaceted story
>>282825491>Asuka or Shinji didn't really "chose" to be pilots, and neither did Rei.Yes, I'm aware.I'm arguing on his ground to show how flawed the foundation is.
>>282825804Post the scenes and explain them, and the horror will end.FYI I joined in later and there's no way in hell I'm reading all that shit above.
>>282822706>she fights and lives for her bonds with others, That's only really a thing after her introductory arc, she straight up tells Shinji that she has nothing apart from eva right before fighting Ramiel
>>282825754There's many scenes in EoE, including Asuka, but they don't show her developing per se. I'd argue "implied development" myself since she's passively accepting getting choked in the end and not freaking out and instead being kind, but that's not "her" as much as instrumentality's doing.So the point still stands, Asuka isn't someone who can fix herself or fix others.
>>282824533But it's commonly agreed that Soryu is one of the best characters and Shikinami is a pale imitation
>>282825616Shinji chokes Asuka because it is symbolic of his learning to assert himself and expose his inner self before others instead of fearing rejection constantly. He cries because Asuka responds to him by showing affection and understanding, thereby exhibiting both characters' growth and their overcoming their flaws. Of course, you won't actually consider this post in good faith as you have been posting nonsense this entire time, but just putting it out there.
>>282825913Ackshually, it's the very same scene.* the usage of a kensuke pic does not carry any implications, insinuations or hidden meaning, he is simply a fantastic ACKSHUALLY character
Did you guys even watch the show? One of the main themes was how difficult communication and connecting with people is even when both parties want to have a good relationship.Anyway if there is anything we can ALL agree on its that Asuka is best girl.
>>282825904I already did. If you're not gonna read anything, then you're not worth engaging. You can scurry off now, waifufag.
>>282825998It's an interesting development. For Shinji.
>>282825998It's like a twisted reflection of the kiss from episode 15, dialed up to 11 and with the roles reversed
>>282826021She is mogged by Rei and Shinji, whose bond and relationship allows them both to move forward.If Shinji were a girl he'd be a contender, but alas, the best girl title must go to Rei
>>282824488She was always the worst.
>>282826113The way this image presents it's thesis it makes Rei sound like a schizophrenic
>>282826079>rei black sockHnnnnggg imagine the smell.No, really we needed more Rei at misato's home. I hate anno for forgetting Rei for like 10 episodes out of 26
>>282826039For both of them. But you can keep coping, of course.
>>282826190>Rei sound like a schizophrenicShe is schizophrenic
>>282826079Aren't you omitting the entire rest of that episode
>>282826190But she is kinda schizo.>>282826197Getting choked is such development.Besides, that scene happens after.
>>282826079Rei isn't even a character shes a macguffin.
>>282826283Responding with affection and understanding whilst preserving one's dignity is development, yes.
>>282826235Rei and Shinji didn't even have to try. They work naturally together.If EVA00 wasn't melted cheese they'd use that.
>>282826420Yet not individual development as the premise of the argument demanded.I think everyone is aware that Shinij and Rei's instrumentality effectively forced development on the entire world - Asuka included.
>>282826340Don't be mad that Rei drives the story more than Asuka does.Otherwise Anno will have to make another Shikinami for you in his next EVA work.
>>282826490There is no such thing as individual development. You're getting really desperate now.
>>282826511Isn't that the crux of people's issues with Rei's role in NGE?All the plot relevance, very diminished role in the actual character drama that people care about past episode 5
>>282826591>There is no such thing as individual development.Not for Asuka at least. I accept your concession.
>>282826511The plot is the least important part of EVA of all.
>>282814933Women don't need to work for a happy ending, they can just trip down a staircase until a guy catches them.
>>282826604I wasn't aware people had issues with Rei's role in EoE. I haven't heard any complaints.It builds on NGE, her growing resentment of the closing of the final hour, culminating in her taking the prize for herself, and using it to help Shinji who cries out in pain. Something she'd never do if Shinji hadn't made her care to begin with.Shinji's goodness begat a favor from the very Gods themselves. It ties really well into the positive message that NGE and End of Evangelion has.Rei finally recovers what was taken from her, through the power of friendship and love. What's to hate?
>>282826720>you are preparing dinner>rei comes at home>sexo with reiThe good ending
>>282826720Evangelion will never deliver you the "ideal" ending you feel you deserve.Therefore you get Kensuke and Mari end.Neon Genesis.
It's funny the schizo Reifag seethes about Asuka this hard because his obstinacy, entitlement, childishness, pettiness, resentment, and spitefulness really remind me of her. At least she had her character development, he is just stuck like this.
>>282825353Even a child could understand the difference between their situations.
>>282826823woops meant for >>282826785
>>282826720That's the face before pegging you btw
>>282826833That's a rather poor rebuttal.
>>282826720>I wasn't aware people had issues with Rei's role in EoENot with EoE but with NGEActually, Rei becoming increasingly forgotten by the writers in the original show is so well known that Sadamoto specifically called it out as the reason why he focused on Rei more in his manga
>>282826511I'm not mad. Rei is a vital to the plot Asuka is vital to making the show worth watching. Rei could be replaced with any number of characters with different looks and personalities and the show would still work in fact the reason many anons are attracted to Rei is that she is so lacking in personality that they can self insert their idealized traits. Meanwhile removing or replacing Asuka with a completely different character would change the show entirely even if it could still work plotwise.
He's trying so hard not to Kensuke schizo ppost that he can't help but let it slip out >>282826823 Also, bumbass Rebuild isn't even Anno's "ideal" ending. If he had his way the ending would be ten times worse the EOE
>>282826919That is more true for Asuka than Rei.Rei cannot be replaced as she is integral to both story and plot. Everything crumbles were she removed, but Asuka you could replace with anyone.Indeed, the only person they ever replaced was Asuka.
>>282826908That's more in line with Asukafag cope than any real complaints, in actuality Rei is present in every single episode and is hardly forgotten.Wanting "more Rei" is hardly a criqitue on what was there (vs what was not) or complaint anyway.>>282826919I'm fairly sure the story and plot is more dependent on Rei than Asuka. Remember that she ties together multiple main characters, whereas Asuka does not. Asuka is an integral part of the story, with her themes of failed communication and tendencies to hurt others to avoid hurting herself, but eh.As for enjoyment ymmv.
>>282826952You have already proven you are irreparably retarded. Make your own thread and spam your schizo headcanons and bad faith arguments there.
>>282827040>hardly forgotten. from episode Rei II to episode 19 she stops to have any relevant scene apart from the inner monologue
>>282827044Asucope. Try opening your mind a little. You'll see it's not in bad faith, but rather accurate.Rei is Lilith, the very progenitor of Asuka, Shinji, Misato, Genod, the lot. Not only is she the mother of Lilin but she is doubly the mother of the protagonist through borrowing some of Yui's flesh, and someone whose actions as Rei Ayanami is necessary for there to even be a "next episode" multiple times.Asuka gets introduced after episode 8 and yes, is important to the story, but what if Mari was introduced instead? Nothing would change, except Shinji wouldn't be bullied as much. EoE would still come, but I'd argue they would have three pilots to fight off SEELE with.
>>282827120That is blatantly false, and having to qualify your argument with "well except this and this scene" simply means your argument was never good to begin with.Take the L, or the letter that's next to it.
>>282827131>Rei is Lilith, the very progenitor of Asuka, Shinji, Misato, Genod, the lot. Not only is she the mother of Lilin but she is doubly the mother of the protagonist through borrowing some of Yui's flesh, and someone whose actions as Rei Ayanami is necessary for there to even be a "next episode" multiple times.So a plot device...
>>282827161I see you've been reduced to spout inane drivel in incomplete sentences. Like Asuka.
>>282827157List 3 relevant scenes with Rei from ep 8 to ep 18.
>>282827209Rei standing up to AsukaRei showing resolve and leadership when leading the children through NERVRei admitting to Toji that she likes ShinjiNow list 3 relevant scenes for Asuka in episodes 1-7
>mfw waifuwars kill discussion againAlso is there anywhere I can read Anima translated or do I have to suffer the curse of MTLing everything?
Answer me this, asucucks:If we replaced Asuka with Mari in NGE, what would change storywise?Hard mode: no cute answers like "it'd suck lol"cuck mode: anything else but hard mode
He is losing composure and getting a bit heated kek.
>>282827621>If we replaced Asuka with Mari in NGE, what would change storywise?Considering Mari's penchant for sexual harassment, it would change the entire character dynamic and everything related to itFor example, Kaworu's introduction, since Asuka's emotional turmoil is what leads to that
>>282827554https://mega.nz/folder/Y6F0nZgA#kKPczuuD-jWd1kH5M9ou7Q
>>282827683Kaworu will come onto Shinji regardless of what happens I think. Asuka doesn't have anything to do with it, emotionally or not.It's episode 24, so he's broken over Rei and confused af, and needs a buttbuddy.It's possible that Rei won't die if Mari was there, so that would change a lot. Rei II would meet Kaworu, and Shinji won't be so desperate for love.
>>282827738>Kaworu will come onto Shinji regardless of what happensHowever, Kaworu is only sent to NERV under the guise of being a replacement for Asuka after she stops being able to pilotAnd Shinji is only receptive of Kaworu because everyone else, Asuka included, stops providing him with a semblance of familiarity, companionships and a support system
>>282827621Not relevant to the vertical plot, but a lot of the commentary on interpersonal relationships and the parallels between characters would be considerably diminished. Asuka and Shinji are two sides of the same coin, they're traumatised individuals who cope with their circumstances in two different ways. They're more similar on a base level than different, but the details of course aren't. If this was taken out of the show, the direct connection/relevance to the audience and their personal experiences would be a lot less potent.>>282827794Seele would have sent him regardless, it would probably just be at a point when Shinji is less in the dumps under some other excuse.
>>282827621I would feel a little bad seeing her lifeless body torn to bits by birds. And I would like Rei comparably less because I only started liking her because I knew she was better than Asuka.
Asuka is the victim in all of this.
>>282828151Everyone is a victim in some wayExcept Gendo, fuck him
>>282826190There's a least one schizophrenic Rei on the show.
>>282827204kek she need her Kensuke fix
>>282828220He was a victim of YuiShe was playing 4D chess all alongwhat's up with the weird captchas?
>>282828270Oh, great. The Kenpedo is her. Thread over he's gonna samefagging and cuck posting mixed in with ESL trash.
>>282828281Unusual for you, evageek?
Kino.
>>282827348>no answersasucks put in their place>>282827794Yeah I think he'd get sent regardless. Maybe they'll just straight up shoot Mari/ to get it happen. Who knows.If Rei had been around, Shinji would be fine. If Rei was around, Misato wouldn't try to fuck Shinji either, so they would still be on good terms.
>>282828482Let it go.
>>282828536Once you let go of your retarded evageek shit
>>282828534>no answersYou asked for Asuka scenes for episodes she wasn't in, how is anyone supposed to take your seriously?
>>282828608exactly, she isn't even in the show for more than a quarter of it, irrelevant bitch
>>282828558You couldn't respond to any of the arguments. If this "evageek shit" (rent free btw) is so "retarded", what does it say about you that get stumped so easily every time you're confronted with it?
>>282828608eeeeeeeh? She isn't even in the first half but Rei is????is she just a side fish, some flavor sprinkled onto the middle?OH HO HO HO HO HO HO
>>282828663Let it go.
>>282828486Toji razzing those two is one of the best parts of the series.
>>282828735Toji is a great character, he was a total bro in the end and landed with best girl in both canon and rebuilds.
>>282828634She left such an impression that she became an integral part of the cast and the show's identity despite not even being there from the start, it's rare for a character to be so popular and influential that they centralize the entire thing around themselves after being introducedThink Steve Urkel, Frank Reynolds or Mike Ehrmantraut
>>282828798>Think Steve Urkel, Frank Reynolds or Mike EhrmantrautThis is funny in so many ways
>>282828674But Rei is less relevant to the second half.
>yeah dude I love this show but I have an autistic vendetta against one of the main characters and I will go to great lengths to downplay or negate their relevance to the show's story and themeswhat the hell is wrong with you people
>>282828938>the second half
>>282828798>muh not in the first eight episodesis a cope that doesn't apply to other media. If anyone dares to suggest that Denethor doesn't matter because he wasn't in 80% of the Lord of the Rings, I will throw hands,.
>>282828872Mike Ehrmantraut is a kino character. I really can't think of a better compliment for Asuka t b h
>>282828938I wouldn't say that.Besides the point was that arguments that go "uh uhm but where was this character relevant in these specific cherry-picked episodes" are just dumb.For Asuka "fans" it's a double edged sword beause Asuka is in less eps than Rei anyway. Asuka speaks more and has more lines, but that's in-character for Rei AND Asuka. So stupid.>>282828962Yeah, Asukafags are a riot aren't they. Just like Asuka they seethe about Rei. At least Asuka had the balls to admit she "lost", like in this scene.
>>282828962this is what happens when you don't have a personality outside of consuming media
>>282829032Steve Urkel comes to mind.>Urksuka Attacks!>Urksuka jumps from ship to ship, crushing the bridges and killing hundreds>Urksuka: DID I DOOO THAT?it fits so well
>>282828962also nobody itt loves the show, they just love the idea of loving it. they don't have any understanding of or appreciation for it.
>>282827040>>282826952You need to work on your reading comprehension. Yes Rei is PLOT relevant but Asuka is essential because of how compelling a character she is, not any inherent structural contrivance. Rei is merely necessary, Asuka is desired.
>>282829378They'd make for a cute couple.
>>282829378Rei is both plot relevant, necessary, desirable and compelling. Ask Shinji.It's not either-or. Rei has both. Asuka is very important too though, NGE would not be NGE without it's varied cast.
Did Sachiel ruin Shinji’s life?
>>282829526He survived the explosion though.
>>282811309Kenpedo hands wrote this shit.
>this threadhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1759696686145972.mp4
>>282829233What would sincerely loving the show look like to you?
>>282829413Yeah if I were Shinji I'd definitely by going for the harem route Rei is up for anything and Asuka would be easier ro manage if you have someone to play off her insecurities with.
Shinji: "Kensuke ni yoroshiku"alsoShinji: "Ore wa shiawasena netorare otokodesu"
>>282830009Asuka is too much of a jealous chick for any harem configuration to workShe says it herself in EoE, you either give yourself up completely to her, or don't even bother
>>282816766>* chasing a man twice her age and getting butthurt when he doesn't reciprocateShe knew what she wanted.>* mistreating the boy who actually wants her and saved her lifeBc the boi is a fucking dense incel unable to read the room.>* antagonizing a fellow female pilot for no reason instead of befriending herRei gives an arrogant vibe, not Asuka's fault if the doll acts like an apathetic doll and shuns people away with her behavior.>* turning a life-and-death situation where cooperation is key, into a competitionIt's natural. People who excel in things tend to be competitive.>* overestimating her own abilitiesAnd what about Shitji vs the zebra angel?>* getting angry whenever things don't go her wayDo you remember Shitji deciding to turn everybody into Tang?? It was him throwing the final tantrum bc the incel didn't get affection.
>>282816766The very first interaction between Asuka and Rei is the former asking to be friends while Rei ignores her
>>282830721Asuka was being a cunt about it, demanding friendship because it'd be "convenient" - her words.Rei puts her in her place, as expected of best girl.
>>282824234Shitji didn't fix shit once you consider he strangled Asuka after leaving the Tang sea.
>>282830841No, that is fixing things. Strangling Asuka is good.t. Anno
>>282830841At least she's alive, she wouldn't be if he had done nothing
>>282827348>>282828534TRVKE
>>282830275>>282830841>shitji>autistic posts where he just types "Shinji a happy cuck"Better watch it this faggot is a janny and likes cp
>>282830792>because it'd be "convenient"That's how people get friendsYou approach someone because you need something from that person and sometimes there is good chemistry between the two individuals Basic human interaction
>>282830792>because it'd be "convenient"That's just framing a genuine desire behind an utilitarian purpose in order to avoid being vulnerable, she does this all the time
Kenpedo: I MADE THIS POSTS AND LIKE PIZZAalso Kenpedo: "Ore wa shiawasena netorare otokodesu"
>>282830841Read the entire discussion before commenting. >>282825998
Shinji and Asuka were never meant to be together. They're just too incompatible.
>>282831671Then he's more incompatible with people of the likes of Rei or Mari.Shinji is simply incompatible with any female as long as he doesn't learn to accept himself.
>>282831671So fucking what?You can have the greatest compatibility and chemistry with a girl, but never tie the knot with her. And you can butt heads, be at each others throats and have zero to negative chemistry with a woman, yet ending up settling with her and turn their dynamic into something more bearable after spending time.
>>282831671They managed to get along fine for several months before shit hit the fan
>>282831723>as long as he doesn't learn to accept himself.What do people mean when they say this? You mean accept he is indeed a pussy?
>>282831671Given that they are mirror images of one another: no, not really.
Kensuke and Asuka are very compatible.In bed.
>>282804520Women are never at fault for anything
>>282831671Unfortunately broken people don't do a good job fixing each other. Both need to fix themselves before they can truly get along.
Kenpedo: Kensuke and Asuka are very compatible in bed.AlsoKenpedo I like pizza AND KEK PORN
>>282831969Yes, accept his grim reality and himself as how he is.
>>282832335>Unfortunately broken people don't do a good job fixing each otherIn my experience, "normal" people have a really hard time understanding or relating to these sorts of issues and quickly lose patience
>>282829946a holistic approach instead of one that's centered on """proving""" that a fan-identity is more correct than a perceived opposing one. the show is just raw material to twist and adapt to the argument in this case. even the original object of preference is lost because the negative approach requires stripping all context away from it, until it exists only as an image that confers identity.
>>282831671>They're just too incompatiblePeriod.
>>282832576>In my experience, "normal" people have a really hard time understanding or relating to these sorts of issues and quickly lose patienceOnly someone broken can understand another broken person.
>>282832074Shinji's behaviour in the Leliel episode right before eating shit shows that they're essentially the same character
>>282832576even then, normals are only normal until they arent
>>282833984Asuka is a what if Shinji somehow gets pisitive feedback from peers and Gendo didn't abandon him.His incel rage during the instrumentality shows he also has anger issues.
Asuka has Kensuke issues.
>>282834259Namely, him taking creepshots of her and disseminating them to their classmatesThat would earn him some time in juvie
>>282834300You're taking to a guy who posted pizza. He probably thinks thats based
>>282831969I don't know, I'm pretty sure that Shinji is acutely aware of his failingsHell, that's usually what keeps him from acting most of the time
>>282832672Alright. And in your eyes, in what sense were the pro-Asuka posts here not holistic? Not saying all of them were necessarily good, but I see more posts in favour Asuka arguing in good faith as opposed to anti-Asuka ones.
>>282835147you're right, there are also well-meaning enablers that help bad faith posters shit up threads by feeding them attention
>>282829233I like the show
>>282811309lol no. Rebuild was done because Anno was swindled by gainax and because his wife hates Yuko Miyamura.
>>282811295This is why EoE is the real ending
>>282831671How so?
As much as I sometimes mock Asuka, she's okay. I would save her with love if I could but that won't work
>>28283514795% of the pro Asuka posts itt deny the essence of Asuka in an attempt to defend her. The reiposters understand Asuka better.
>>282804520Miki Makimura remains superior to Asuka Soryu Langley in every way.
>>282838627Now we're justaking shit up
>>282838718At least Asuka got to kiss the boy before being horrifically murdered and quartered
>>282838627Exactly, a holistic approach necessitates not arguing in bad faith by propping up something to be what it isnt. Just like Rei is utter garbage at smalltalk and other social obligations, Asuka isnt the strong pilot she majes herself out to be.Rei is stunted to the point of being blunt, and Asuka is herself the very broken puppet that haunts her nightmares.Asuka was never a heroine that saved others, but Rei was, still that does not mean that Rei's heroism didnt come at a great cost.
>>282838831Nah, nagai was remaking devilman and stapling new lore on to the original series way before evangelion was ever written. Dude has no restraint in how he writes.
>>282836112>his wife hates Yuko Miyamura.Sauce?
>>282839486It's advanced Asucope for Asuka shacking up with Kenken and not Shinji.
>>282806421Finally someone gets it, and cunts like her should be rightfully mocked
>Started watching Evangelion again>I took a month or more long break from it after the first 10 or so episodes>I forgot most of the details of the first half of the series>I'm probably gonna have to rewatch it again just to make sure I didn't miss anything>I wait until it's almost 3AM to watch any of it so I'll probably forget againI hate having a shit memory
>>282838627Yes, yes, we get it, you're a seething faggot who can't refute anything that was said, can you please go back to watching your wife get railed now?
I haven't finished the series yet, but I want to kill Kensuke poster with a rock for posting such heresy.
>>282828962Reifags are cultists.
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>>282840046>>282839973>>282838627You mean CP since he posted that shit and cries when you point that out. Image you hating a ship so much that youbsoam threads for hours spamming unfunny shitposts, replying to yourself self and posting CP
>>282840472Wow that's even worse.Truly never a more dogshit poster with a dogshit non-canon crackship.
