Is this anime normieslop or actually a good genuine anime?
>>282837878It's shounen shit garbage that retards think is somehow profound because she spends a couple episodes reflecting on the dead before devolving into every garbage shonen shit cliche.
>>282837921>shounen shitSo it has major fights every 4episodes?
>>282837878Being popular doesn't make something normieslop, being made for mass appeal does. Which Frieren doesn't feel like.
>>282837921The anime pacing is good, and there's dip in quality until the training arc (still no significant dip) which makes it slightly better than FMA, which had no dip, but didn't have modern efficient pacing
>normie
>>282837974Should I use the word anime tourist instead?
>>282837878It has a great start that is emotionally powerful. The greatest aspect of the series is the manga's ability to keep me interested chapter to chapter. It starts with a great premise and it keeps the foot on the gas. It wasn't until the mangaka started taking breaks that the story got boring.The anime does the manga justice.
A temu version of Claymore that is 1000x more boring. Zero payoff for watching. I like how it's implicitly pro Fascist though.
>>282837974welcome to the underground
>>282838099I liked claymore, but it was missing < heart >, which Frieren has
Start was melodrama shit, only turned KINO after it went into the powerstruggles.
>>282837878The power scaling doesn't make sense.Demon King is weaker than Frieren who is weaker than Serie who is weaker than the average warrior off the street
>>282837878it's decent but not worth half the praise it gets
>>282838099As a Claymore fan, the first half was the only good part. The latter half was completely dogshit, and the author was clearly fed up with drawing it.
>>282837939
>>282838152>what is rps matchupsFrieren was in a party when fighting the DK. A warrior might vs a mage but that depends on circumstances kinda like Krillin fighting Nappa/Frieza and outskilling them for a moment (DB being /the/ Bible of powerscaling).
>>282837878Overhyped reddit shit.
>>282838152Power of friendship wins. 4 friends laughing and crying together is more powerful than Sauron with his ring of power and +99 magic of death.That's why they setup the shadow warriors as a friend group. They will kill serie because they are a band of brothers.
>>282837878Good production values, weak writing overall.Roasties love it because it features le stronk female leads low-key bullying the emasculated male lead.
Just got done watching the first 4 episodes and nothing of substance has happen. They did a huge 50year time skip and you are telling me nothing in those 50years happen? Now she is just being a baby sitter and helping clean towns up like it's animal crossing.
>>282839497watch another 2-3 episodes. That's as good as it gets and after those it's seriously downhill.
>>282837878It's good. Bit slow but for it's own good.It is genuinely one of the animes you can show to almost anyone who has passing interest in fantasy.Good enough to be enjoyed by everyone.HOWEVERthat makes it very easy for many to hate, as it means "their niche hobby"(aka whole Japanese animation industry) is "being taken over by normalfags"(like they themselves watch the most nippon-core animes).Good media is good, just enjoy it, don't multiscreen or multitask. I don't wanna overhype either but you know the feeling when you really like something?
>>282839542Usually when a huge time skip happens society has progressed onto something bigger and new but it seems like time just stood still in this anime and the same. It's hard to like immerse myself in the story. Are you telling me the rest of the series it's going to be them traveling to the demon king lair and it really takes 10 years? I saw them flying in episode 4 why can't they straight up fly and zoom there?
>>282839497>it's animal crossing.animal crossing is also part of the appeal
the real reason Frieren is popular is because it managed to balance the razor thin line of being just lewd enough to draw in men but not enough to upset women
It is just sex elf propaganda.
>>282839564my elf is looking a little...bigger than normal....
>>282837878It's for people that don't watch anime, so yeah it's normieslopMy opinion is the only one that matters don't mind the shills.
>>282839613She is showing Frieren magic Frieren can never learn.
>>282839571It's a medieval rural town in the middle of nowhere, what did you expect?
>>282837921>Episodes have meaning in them>"Its bad"Fuck off
>>282839571Things change, Frieren just doesn't even register it. That's why the time skips are so abrubt.
>>282839658in 50years in real life humans made the sewer system and you are telling me this rural town isn't filled with humans who have sex? They have nothing else to do>>282839666Yeah it's kinda wonky from a story perspective
good initial premise. now its normie slop. author only knows how to write one personality
>>282839707autism is not a personality
>>282837878Watch it and decide for yourself.
>>282839733no, but boring is
>>282837878Great animation with subpar story, world-building and characters. It's a respectable 6/10 and still worth a watch
>>282839641
>>282839705>isn't filled with humans who have sexstop speedwatching. It's quite clear that Frieren interacts with a shopkeeper in one scene and her granddaughter in the next one post timeskip.
>>282839783I'm talking to repopulate a town. People from back then had tons of kids not just a single one like modern times.
It's good but turns into slop later on
>>282839793And tons of them died as children. Depopulated areas often stayed depopulated for centuries, look at how long it took Europe to recover from the bubonic plague.
>>282839705Yes you're right anon in by 1450 they had hover cars and robot butlers
>>282839845Yeah also we had aliens who built pyramids
why do oversized breast lovers try to take over flat chest characters?
>>282840130>Why do gooners goon
>>282839613>>282839564It's a crime they didn't give Serie the tits she had in the manga.
>>282837878every anime is normieslop
it's normiekino
>>282838333>Overhyped reddit shit.Trips of truth
>>282837878Normies wouldn't be into it. It's too slow and sometimes "redpilled" on the JQ. These days anime has become so mainstream that most shows get a huge audience if they're slightly popular.
>>282837878It's good, tells a thoughtful, sombre story within fantasy tropes in a way that's both playful and respectful, good animation, and Fern is pure fertility sex
>>282840832How to lie 101: The post
>>282837974its actually over
>>282837878It's mostly that it comes across as okay, because anime in, particularly "fantasy" anime, is such utter fucking shit.So no, it's not good, it's just less shit than the norm.
>>282840840If you aren't getting a boner every second Fern is on screen with her heavy eyes, heaving fat breasts and soft tummy and whispering voice you're an actual homosexual.
>>282840877Both are moe blobs with fat faces
>>282840955I don't find frieren particularly sexy, a little cute sure since she's an autist. But Fern is absolute walking amorous effortless peerless endless sex.
>>282837921imagine being such a raging homossexual you actually dislike shounen
Why don't you watch and find it yourself?
>>282837878fuck off we're full
>>282841040Sex. With. Serie.
It's ok, just a very dry anime and the writing isn't that amazing, though characters are very likeable (to me at least). The production quality carried the whole show honestly and it was worth watching just for that, but it's still no masterpiece.
>>282837878It's better than the manga.Which means it's still not very good.
>>282841324Quick while she's still warm.
>>282837878You should honestly just watch it. It's not that long. I'm honestly amazed at how much (emotional) depth the show has despite also feeling so simple in a way. I couldn't recommend it enough even though it doesn't appear to be that great of a show at first glance. I made the mistake of avoiding it for years because of that impression. There hasn't been any show in recent years that I think deserves the praise it got as Frieren and I get, more so than with most series, why there are autists still being obsessed with the show despite it being so short and not that much happening plot-wise.
>>28283787810/10 production values but the story is kind of inconsistent and feels like it has an identity crisis. I’m fine with an anime having both comfy fantasy slice of life adventure with mono no aware elements and hype action but when you abandon the first bit to do an entire shonenshitter story arc for several episodes at a time it just doesn’t feel right.
>>282841438*as much as Frieren does
>>282841442Even most of the later part sill felt like it wasn't really centered around the fights like a shonen would be.There were like a handful of fights in the entire show and they were often also a tool to give more background info on characters and to show personal growth/character strength as well as the ability of characters to work together and overcome obstacles, rather than being about fighting or the magic system in general.
>normieKill yourself, normalfag.
>>282841421She's not dying.
It really feels like the manga was failing and not meeting number quotas so the mangaka was forced to turn it into classic shonenshit at the mage exams arc. Anyone have the sales numbers from that time to confirm?
>>282837974I keep seeing these stupid question OPs obviously made by newfags. What the fuck is happening? Is it all the same faggot with nothing better to do?
>>282837878It's good until it gets to the chunin exams arc. You can stop watching there.
>>282841545>>282841626Was the series really only supposed to be about sol stuff? The sol elements felt like they were just useful for the themes the show is trying to explore, rather being the entire point. It's not like it's supposed to just be fantasy k-on. Shonenshit ≠having parts involving battle. By that logic pretty much every fantasy show would be a shonen.
>>282841626>You can stop watching there.And miss out on best elf, whose majority of screentime is in the last few episodes of the season? FOR SHAME, anon. FOR SHAME.
>>282841744Frieren>>Serie
>>282841687The earlier battle parts were good. It only became a basic formulaic shonenshit at the mage exam arc with all of the worst tropes
>>282837878Its the best show I've watched this decade. I liked everything about it.
>>282841860Thanks for sharing with the class that you have shit taste
>>282841860even yoasobi?
>>282841820I agree that I didn't like a lot of it as much as the earlier parts, but there some good scenes. Denken appeared there and he makes up for a lot of it. I also liked the scenes with Frieren in the dungeon. It could've been worse, or at least I feared it was going to be.>>282841877NTA, but I was really disappointed they didn't have Yuiko Ohara sing them as that would've fit so much more.
>>282841687You can tell the direction of the show shifts gear once you get to the exams. I imagine this is the work of some exec forcing it to be more shounen. Formulaic battle tournament arcs are easier to drag out and milk. It's honestly tragic. Frieren could have been something truly special if they had just stayed on course.
>>282841941Imagine if they'd gone the tournament arc route though. It could always have been worse.
>>282841871The anime is great though>>282841877Yoasobi did well with the OP
>>282841989They were good, but Yuiko Ohara would've been better.
>>282841941Imagine all the good stuff we could get if mangaka didn't have to worry about sales
>>282841989No its not
Touching Frierens ears
>>282842062damn...
>>282837878Yes>>282837902fpbp
Touching Frierens toes
>ctrl-f mimic>0 results
>>282842371was just about to post this lol
>>282839571>I saw them flying in episode 4 why can't they straight up fly and zoom there?They probably could but walking is easier. Flying, especially 'zooming' at any appreciable speeds, over long distances would take a lot of energy. And they'd have to carry dead weight like Stark. Walking is just easier and it's not like Frieren is in a rush to go anywhere. Also, I've never seen anyone zoom around like a DBZ character so I don't think flying is particularly fast method of traveling. It's only ever used to maneuver during battle or clear rough patches of terrain.
>>282842458And flying for extended time makes you a target for flying monsters, which are quite common as seen in the stille hunt arc.
>>282839569
>>282837878It's good, although a big chunk in the second half is quite dull compared to the rest.
Its certified kino
>>282839571The point of the journey is her retracing her old adventure. She spent 6 months looking for floweres and would've spent longer there if necessary. Why would someone like that rush anywhere she doesn't need to?
Fondling Frierens ears
its certified reddit slop
>>282842603boing boing boing boing
>>282837878Astroturfed ugly dogshit50% nothing happens, 50% the worst shonenshit stuff
Frieren was good until the shunin exam arc where every character was revealed to be a calculating stoic badass who never shows emotion.
>>282841404I want to eat Fern's ass after a long day of adventuring.
The fact that normies like it clouds any real discussion of the show on this board regardless of its quality, including the criticisms. If you like it you're a normie and if you point out some issues with it you're a reactionary old good new bad boogeyman on this board.
What cup is Frieren? B?
Impregnating Frierens ears
>>282837878I've rewatched it many times because a lot of people I know, even people who barely watch anime were compelled to give it a try. Not a single person I know has disliked it and I've enjoyed it every time. In that sense it appeals to anime fans with good taste (me) and complete normalfags. Take that as you will.
>>282844103It strikes a great balance when it comes to the different elements that make up a show. It weaves in backstory, world building, slice of life, character study and typical shonen action in a very tight way. A lot of other shows are very one note, like a slice of life can just be the same thing over and over relentlessly.
>>282843327This
>>282843652She's an elf, not a cup
>>282843411by shuunin exams it became a shitposting competition to get onto jarman's channel
Is Fern depicted in fanart as chubby with huge breasts and ass just because she has large breasts and loves sweets? Before I began watching the show I actually thought she was kind of fat.
>>282842412Methode is the soul of the series
The show is at its best when it's not trying to be a trashy crowd pleasing shonenshit. Fucking show baited me with the first few episodes only to devolve into deadpan retards shooting lazer beams at each other. I've said it before but you'd get more urgency and emotion out of me from shitting out a solid turd than the """characters""" in this shitshow whenever they're faced with a life and death situation. I don't expect characters to emote like they do in wanpiss but this show takes it too far to the opposite direction to the point of retardation.All in all I feel like it's adapting a work that's supposed to be a simple oneshot but it kept going and going and going.
>>282845803It's because she wears thick layers and retards don't know how to discern details + actual self-inserting chubby females
>>282843444That's dirty demon talk.Are you a demon, anon?
So from what I'm getting from this thread is they went the Naruto arc with the chonen exams
>>282846439>A fantasy series with magic isn't allowed to have very limited fights without being "trashy crowd pleasing shonenshit"As bad as people wanting the demons to be redeemable.
>>282846541This was before the thousands of cheeseburgers she's devoured along the way
>>282846692The latter half or so of the show is just textbook shonenshit. Like who the fuck are you fooling here.
>>282846674Half the magic exam just feels disconnected from the rest of the series. For such a seemingly illustrious test and event, it feels shoddily planned and ad-hoc, when it should have been much more elaborate and more of a week-months long gauntlet that covers a wide-variety of magic, considering it's testing supposed 1st class magic users.
>>282846692>very limited fightsThat's just not true
>>282840130half is that gooners have no standards and will jerk off to any character getting bimbo tits, half is that artists are scared of getting cancelled over muh "that character looks like a child!!" so they always exaggerate ass and tits
>>282846834>wtf why does a mage test have so much fighting??
>>282837878>normieslop>crying about normies in 2025unironically define normie. anime is not exactly 900 page high literature.
>>282846825So it was rushed? Not like the start where everything was taking their time.
>>282846894well most normies these days only like shounenshit
>>282837878It's a solid 6-7/10. The worldbuilding is very shallow and nonsensical. The characters are often emotionally flat and are as deeply written as your average shounen character is. The so called "deep emotional moments" is just the cheap hook the story has in the beginning that gets dropped almost immediately regarding the passage of time, and they ocasionally flashback to one of Frieren's memories to set-up quick, cheap emotional pay-offs every few episodes. However, it's still pretty entertaining (and often comfy) show that you won't feel like you've wasted your time giving it a watch. It's a "turn your brain off and just enjoy" show.
>>282846978nah. it's mostly athletic or younger guys. by definition. i think it's retarded talking about normies in 2025. it's a dead giveaway you are some 30+ yo weeb that hasn't moved on from the mid 2000s when anime were considered some form of underground counter culture. ironically liking "underage panty adventure" doesn't make you less of a normie than someone who watched Kimetsu at the movies.
>>282846961the first test didn't fit the series (split into a 3-man team and capture an elusive bird)second test was good (dungeon diving and fighting shadow copies of everyone)but then it didn't matter because the third test was just a vibe check (which was good in a way, but undermine the first two tests just allowing many people to get carried and then rightly failed)So in a way it was rushed, yeah.
>Demons evolved to mimic people as predators >Except everyone immediately recognizes demons when they see them>Demons can't understand human emotions and empathy >Yet their entire modus operandi is manipulating people's emotions and empathy>The demons only use language to hunt and to deceive people>This is said to us by a demon, with language, stating something they believe is true>They are purely instinct driven predators >Macht and other demons are shown creating art>Demons don't have morals>Yet they think hiding mana is wrong and other demons dying is wrongI hate how if you point out any of this, you're strawmannned as someone who just dislikes evil races.
>>282847110So what you are saying every zoomer likes anime?
>>282847188is this pasta?
>>282847295Its completely correct though, there's so many contradictions with how the demons are written.
>>282847469>Its completely correct though>>Demons can't understand human emotions and empathy is wrong.People simultaneously over-complicate the concept, while complaining about how heavy-handed the series gets with explaining it.Demons understand emotions EXCEPT for empathy and guilt, that's it.These two deficiencies mean they are fundamentally incompatible with any other race.The series goes out of its way to explain Himmel's good natured optimism got people killed with trying to question their nature, and then he learned his lesson.
>>282847565No, the series tries to overcomplicate the concept by trying to do this whole biological determinism thing, but if you think about it for more than two seconds; it doesn't make any sense. The demons have all the sentience, intelligence and free will to simply choose not to do evil actions, but the series never explains why they simply can't do that.
>>282837878Frierenfags will try their hardest to deny it, but yeah it is
>>282847565>Demons understand emotions EXCEPT for empathy and guilt, that's it.That still doesn't make any sense. Half of their entire modus operandi is manipulating people's empathy to not kill them. Such as the demon child saying mommy because she says it stops them from killing demons. That means that they understand what empathy is on a functional level even if they can't feel it themselves.
>>282847627>The demons have all the sentience, intelligence and free will to simply choose not to do evil actions,this is incorrect head-canon from you conflating concepts.Are you trolling by parroting lex's video?
>>282847670>Such as the demon child saying mommy because she says it stops them from killing demons. That means that they understand what empathy isIf you're not trolling.Demons understand results, but they don't understand why the results happen.
>>282847673>Lexitorias' video STILL lives rent free in your mind Everything about the demons shows them as sentient, self aware creatures that have their own internal monologue. They're not like chatbots or whatever retarded comparison between AI and demons people try to make. They're sentient creatures. >>282847732Nice job chopping off the last part of my statement. They understand it on a functional level if they know that saying things like mommy makes them stop from killing her. How the fuck are they able to do all this manipulation if they don't understand what it is or aren't able to recognize it in other people? That's insanely retarded and contradictory writing.
>>282847787thank you for confirming you're just a troll.Enjoy your last (You) demonposter
>>282847732>Demons understand results, but they don't understand why the results happen.I want to do plappathon and break human limitations on this digga.
>>282847670You knowing that feeding a dog chocolate would be bad for it, for example, is not the same as understanding how that works, what that feels like and why you shouldn't do it. Whenever a demon does anything that seems like they are able to have empathy for humans it's like that. They know action = result and like to eat humans so they will use this to their advantage. Remember how Aura didn't get why Frieren would care about what Himmels would want since he's dead now? To them ignoring his will = no consequences so you should just do whatever feels convenient atm.A demon, in theory, could just decide to never commut a single action that'd hurt humans, but they lack the emotional framework to even understand why they'd ever do it and would only be doing the action wkthout knowing why. Eventually they'd end up doing something like that example of the one with the chiefs daughter because they'd think that isn't wrong.A monkey accidentally typing out Shakespeare on a typewriter is not the same as it even understanding what "a Shakespeare" is.
>>282848072A demon would, for example, never be able to understand Kant beyond on a (superficial) logical level.
>>282848072They understand it on a functional level if they know that saying things like mommy makes them stop from killing her. Or how using the term father gets empathetic reactions. How the fuck are they able to do all this manipulation if they don't understand what it is or aren't able to recognize it in other people? That's insanely retarded and contradictory writing.
>>282843312Cute.
>>282837878why do niggas ship fern with her? she acts like a mother figure and tourists took it differently for some reason.
I think it's very telling that the most popular topic regarding Frieren is far and away the demons.
>>282848072Demons have very human morality. The two moral values we've seen them have are thinking trickery is wrong, and thinking demons dying is wrong (if not shown through lugner, then certainly by solitar literally saying she didn't like the demon kings war because it killed her friends). They also have an understanding and expression of emotions certainly on par with frieren at the very least, as she is also shown to not understand some of them at all at the story's beginning. There is nothing to say they couldn't adopt a different morality. the story has shown they have all the components necessary to. It has not given a reason why they cannot change that would not also apply to the other characters who can. That's the entire point you're failing to comprehend and are using a lot of pseudo intellectual mental gymnastics to try and say otherwise. Part of the entire problem with the series' characterization of demons is that being a sociopath (which demons essentially are) doesn't necessarily make someone murderously evil. Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.
>>282848156yeah imagine if humans were born without empathy lead entire married lives and tricking everyone around them, that'd be a crazy fiction story that definitely could never happen in real life.
>>282848272Except the series makes it seem like they can't understand it at all despite being able to manipulate people.
>>282848338It's genuinely astounding that some people literally cannot understand psychopathy.
>>282848399Sounds like you're out of arguments.
>>282848415You can't resolve the difference between: understanding results vs understanding why the results happen , which is the foundation of psychopathy.Until you do, please stay out of these discussions.
>>282848472>You can't resolve the difference between: understanding results vs understanding why the results happen , which is the foundation of psychopathy.This is pseudo intellectual nonsense. They understand empathy and emotions on a functional level if they know that saying things like mommy makes them stop from killing her. How the fuck are they able to do all this manipulation if they don't understand what it is or aren't able to recognize it in other people? That's insanely retarded and contradictory writing.
>>282848520They are able to recognize it but lack the ethical, moral and social framework to internalize it in a way beyond something a psychopath would. Imagine a psychopath that was raised, not even by wolves, but just left to grow up by himself in the wild. They have no idea what a faimly, kinship, etc. are on a biological level. They can learn to behave in a way that would make them seem like they do, but that's just pretend.Inagine a group of people that are able to view the moon from here on earth with just their eyes, could you pretend you're able to do that as well if you learn enough facts of what it looks like (to the point of surviving a conversation on that a few times)? Sure, but you can't actually do it and you're only learning abstract facts about what it is like and what words you have to say in what order to fit in; you will eventually fuck up, realistically speaking. They don't need to be perfect at deceiving people forever, just long enough to kill them.
>>282848193Because they look good together. There need not be any deeper reason
>>282848778Part of the entire problem with the series' characterization of demons is that being a sociopath (which demons essentially are) doesn't necessarily make someone murderously evil. Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.>They have no idea what a faimly, kinship, etc. are on a biological level. They can learn to behave in a way that would make them seem like they do, but that's just pretend.That still makes zero sense. Much of their culture relies on understanding concepts such as honor, kinship or family. They have an entire culture around thinking that having the highest mana is honorable and makes you powerful. This is not even mentioning the fact that they don't even have to kill people to survive, despite having supposedly evolved like this to do so. There are so many contradictions here in the writing of the demons that it beggars belief that anyone actually argues in favor of them being well written.
>>282837878Its good up until the goddess monument arc where it goes to shit due to time travel.
>>282848957>sociopathoften have guilt and empathy, just heavily reduced amounts.Stop using words you don't understand.
>>282849003That doesn't refute literally anything I just said. You took one point and tried to dismiss the entire thing.
>>282849080https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise
>>282849118>Ha! Take my heckin pseudo intellectual debate tactics!Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.
>>282849244https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/headcanon
>>282849293None of this is headcanon. This is extrapolating what the series says, showing its logical conclusion, and critiquing it as not making any sense.
>>282849316>extrapolating what the series says, showing its logical conclusion, and critiquingThis is pseudo intellectual nonsense.
>>282849338That's the basics of criticism actually.
>>282849380pseudo intellectual nonsense
>>282837878It's good until the first class mage exam arc then it's all downhill from there
>>282849407That's the basics of criticism actually.
>>282842137Kissing Serie's ears.
>>282837878It's the greatest normieslop in the market. Doesn't help that /pol/acks have taken an obsession over it
>>282838014You should go back to twitter.
>>282839497>Just got done watching the first 4 episodes and nothing of substance has happen.Retard got filtered.
>>282842502AIDS doesn't care about the immune system. This analogy is retarded
>>282837878its dogshit that seems to be overrated just look at the awful and repugnant character designs
>>282845973
>>282849634AIDS is a malfunction of the immune system, you retard. They want to get rid of gatekeeping, which is the same as sabotaging the immune system.Anti gatekeepers are an HIV infection that seeks to bring about AIDS.
> " its a hecking deep and thought provoking anime about an elf experiencing death and the passage of time guys"> no one dies after the characters whose purpose was to die before the story beginsLike not a single human character is allowed to die who said 2 sentences in the present. Not even the bad ones while the MC has no problem killing demons bc they are bad.
>>282837878The fact that you have to ask should tell you everything you need to know.
>>282838099Funny, I'm in the middle of watching Claymore right now.
>>282837878It's a rare high production value anime. This is the only thing good about because the story itself is boring as shit. Becomes a literal shonen half way through and that's why normies love it.
>>282850336what other series has such a power to get people to complain about the dumbest shit imaginable?
>>282837878It's slow and has like three good moments. I personally enjoyed it overall but I can't recommend it on good conscience.
Also the MC always has to be right about everything and can never be challenged or proven wrong. Like that one ep about Frieren and Fern looking for a specific flower that literally doesnt grow there to plant next to Himmel's statue bc he liked it. You would think the ep would end with Frieren learning a lesson about not acting like a toddler and coming to the conclusion that Himmel would be okay with any flower. But no, the author asspulls the ultra rare flower out of her ass and rewards Frieren's insensitive behavior towards Fren bc she couldnt process that humans cant look for a fucking flower forever while she is immortal.
>>282850442This is like those isekai series where the premise is some guy becomes a monster at the start then by episode 3 he gains a humans form and the rest of the series is just the same old garbage isekai tropes. Except this series is shounen instead
>>282850639hey anon, that whole thing was a mini-series in frieren learning to manage time better and respect her non-elf party membersguess what happens? She has character growth and starts respecting time management better because it's important to Fern (who becomes important to her)
>>282850689She didnt learn shit. She got what she wanted in the end. Did she stop searching naturally? No. End of story.
>>282850756>She didnt learn shit.she quite literally, objectively does.You out yourself as not paying attention when you make retarded posts like this.
>>282848957>Much of their culture relies on understanding concepts such as honor, kinship or family.In what way were they shown to have any semblence of kinship structure whatsoever? A dog fearing a bigger, louder dog isn't a culture. Why were Draht and Linie obedient to Lügner? Because he's stronger and an even stronger being, Aura, made him in charge. What was Qual's reaction to hearing the demon king was killed by Frieren? Nothing besides a simple acknowledgment of the fact. Qual has likely known him for a very long time, serving under him, and he still didn't care to even voice a single complaint about Frieren having killed the guy. They kill people because they like eating them, that's it. If humans, with all of their empathy, can't give up eating cows, why would a being that is completely unable to relate to or care about humans ever stop eating them when it enjoys it and is much stronger than them. If even the smartest humans won't stop eating animals because of ''logic'' or being able to understand how cows feel about being eating, why would a creature that is unable to feel, not just understand, but actually feel empathy, do so. I can logically understand how terrible it'd feel for a mother to see her kid be eaten in front of her, but it's not like I have any idea what that actually feels like in the moment. Imagine if you don't even have an emotional connection to the concept of a mother because you've never had any. Do you know how worker bees feel about their queen? Sure, you could read a book on it, but that's not the same as actually experiencing it.
>>282850689She did, but it wasn't made clear what she meant when she told Fern she'd give up after ''trying just a bit longer''. Her idea of time management is always fucked by the standards of humans. But she does try.
Worst moment of the series? When the supposed emotionally stunted MC psychoanalyze Serie aka the author talking through her at the end of the trial when it comes to Serie being a cunt or not and letting Fren pass. Eye roll worthy
Overrated normie shit, people who don't watch anime flock to this shit. Babby's first wannabe iyashikei except with a shitty magic system, shit fights, and can't stop itself from jerking off how cool Frieren is. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is fucking coping, it's #1 on MAL for a reason and it's not because it, FMAB, AoT and Gintama are the best anime ever made. It's just iyashikei for those too retarded to be able to enjoy an actual iyashikei without cool fights to act as jingling keys.
>>282852239>it's popular so it's baby's firstyou're worse than normalfags
>>282852318Who the fuck are you quoting you dumb nigger? It's babby's first because it fucking sucks and you would only think otherwise because you haven't watched much anime, it being popular just reinforces this.
>>282852389>Who the fuck are you quoting you dumb nigger?You, because there's no other stipulations for basing it as such, other than "it's too popular"You're spouting all the trite catch-phrases of a contrarian
>>282837878its fine, but the world building is shit
>>282852389>it fucking sucksWhat exactly is so bad about it?
inb4>i missed the point / wasn't paying attention
>>282852412I told you the writing fucking sucks. It's basic as shit, shoots itself in the foot by focusing on the stupid demon shit, which is fucking retarded. The entire idea a species evolved to be able to replicate advanced speech to a point it can take part in treaties talks but is too fucking retarded to understand basic context clues to figure out what a dad is to be able to convey that to another demon despite their reproduction requiring the same fucking thing just screams of a writer trying way too fucking hard to be clever, especially when they feel the need to have these characters say it out loud in earshot of human characters who are just presumably too fucking retarded to listen.The themes aren't explored in any sort of actual depth in favor of doing some shitty action Shounen shit with its retarded magic system. Fucking Edomae Elf released the same year before Frieren had the same fucking concept and tied it's themes into otaku coping mechanisms and did significantly more in exploring the ideas Frieren introduces in half the runtime. But of course people won't watch that because it's not immediately appealing to fucking normies like Frieren is, because its babby's first
>>282852572>it's another "i got filtered by the demons" really sick of this one
>>282852584Stop memetexting you fucking crossboarder. Maybe if the demons weren't written like shit and didn't come up every other major arc, it wouldn't be a fucking problem.
>>282847670the fact that the gold guy can understand that he can't understand raises a lot of questions. the whole thing is way too abstract but the mere fact that they can acknowledge the concept shows that they have sapient intelligence. It shows sentience.
>"if you kill 'em you'll be just like 'em" vs "they speak only to deceive"At first, I did not think much of this scene. However, look at FMA's you can't kill Envy" scene and Frieren's counterpart "Aura, kill yourself". When compared to each other, Frieren's is simply better on all aspects.In FMA, the tired cliche is set up and executed. One might argue that there is a justification-it tries the 'justified cliche' angle-even then, that justification is extremely shoddy. They need to kill Envy in different circumstances, etc. Why even set up the cliche in the first place?It cannot, however, compare to Frieren's scene. It's visceral. It speaks to the human heart.They see evil, and steadfastly slay evil. It's the exact opposite. The cliche is not only avoided but rejected. A complete subversion.The scene does, perhaps, say something about evil and the nature of it. And the human heart cannot lie. Maybe even a MAL rater comes to realize the transcendent truth behind it, and they cannot deny it. A scene that speaks to the hearts of human-and one that doesn't. The first place is easily hogged from its previous owner.
>>282852962>FMAFuck off, retard
>>282852962 >A complete subversion.Ok retard.>The scene does, perhaps, say something about evil and the nature of itI thought they weren't evil, I thought they were going off instinct and amoral? I thought it was like calling a lion evil for eating another animal? If they're going based on instinct, there is not morals there. Friereniggers can't seem to make up their mind.
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>>282853073>"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."The postmodernfren's mind will do anything to avoid labeling anything at all evil. If you do it out of instinct, it's not evil. If you purpose to be amoral, it's not evil. It can be extrapolated that nothing at all is-oh, that murderer is slaying thousands out of amorality, there's no moral to be seen. Such shoddy excuses will never sway the human heart. It'll always lead to half-hearted scenes, as seen FMA.Frieren goes beyond the mere plot level. If this hylic reading is enough in the plot sense, it doesn't in a thematic and symbolic sense. It's about what it represents. There's in fact something spiritual to be found. >The 42 Laws of Ma’at – Negative Confession (also known as The Declaration of Innocence) is a list of 42 sins that the soul of the deceased can honestly declare it has never committed when it stands for judgment in the afterlife.
Wait is this really the number 1 anime on MAL?
Elf breeding
>>282839564
>>282848807not really? frieren wants to repopulate her race not get used up like a wet towel
Naked dogeza elf
characters are boring. plot is boring. world is boring and uninspired. only thing it has going for it is the author draws cute girls
>>282855563>characters are boringIt gets said a lot, but it's really annoying how like EVERY character has the same tired cadence
>>282855586It gets said a lot because it's a major issue, at the very least it's my biggest problem. Everyone just sounds so bored all the time, except Stark but even he can't inject enough life to keep it interesting.
>anime needs more realistic emotions>no not THAT realisticyou just can't win with normalfags
>>282855669Stark will occasionally act loudly but not common enough and the rest of the time he's the same "Eh..."
>>282855764>strawman
>>282854786If that damn brat wants to learn about humanity, I'll teach her a lesson she'll never forget.
>>282855796it's not even a strawman when it's actually true.Despite complaining about over-emoting, it's like they got whiplash from a more realistic approach and it was too foreign for them.
has stark done anything at all?
>>282856748He drank juice after midnight
>>282856849cant believe he was a mogwai all along
>>282856979What r da things in gremlins called?
>>282857009starks
Elf paizuri
Elf footjob
Are Frieren's ears sensitive as elf ears often are?
>>282837878>slopIt's good, but Kinomi Master is better.
>>282858034Yes, elf ears are as sensitive as nipples
Elf rimjob
>>282860055post a catbox
Elfjob
>>282860607no don't make the elf get a job
>>282837878It's pretty bad and very shallow but it looks like a masterpiece to anyone who has only watched shitty isekai.
>>282837878It's good because I can show it to my parents without feeling shame.
>>282860853if that's a metric for quality then marvel movies are better than anime
Sousou no frieren?Key word - soso
>>282837921>It's shounen shitthis. dropped when the power level bullshit came up.
>>282861377There's a feeling I get when I look to the westAnd my spirit is crying for leaving
>>282860833It's a show that's JUST smart enough to look clever to morons.
>>282837878this is not a good anime, it's a masterpiece.
>>282837878It's good but not a cultured niche classic like Shinkyoku no Grimoire: Pandra Saga.
I love it, unsurprisingly Netflix bought the rights to it in my region because they couldn't deny how great it was. I bet they even contradicted their internal guidelines on how diverse a show must be to acquire it too.
>>282862107I think Frieren is a tad bit too racist for Netflix
>>282837878Anime has been mainstream for decades so all anime is "normieslop".
>>282862125True the internal woke mob probably whinged about it but the show was just too good so they had to allow it. Talk about aura.
>>282862107She looks like she's holding a sub sandwich in the thumbnail. >>282862153>decadesDepends on your country.
>>282842502"Gatekeeping" by calling every show "irredeemable shit" whenever it's good is not really effective gatekeeping strategy.Remember, we aren't talking about your town's model train club. We are talking about Japan's animation industry."Gatekeeping" in "anime community"(aka western internet(with massive social media focus)) didn't keep out idpolfags nor did it keep out normalfags. What it did tho was push the whole culture towards ironic shitposting and trying to be as controversial as possible to try and desperately "gatekeep" someone. Aka letting the most deranged idpol idiots have much more amplified voices in the community.Thanks for that btw, was lots of fun to try and introduce people to anime I like when their only experience of anime community was shounentards and then "gatekeeping" fags spamming about lolis consenting or needing SAO-levels of retarded fanservice and anyone who disagrees is a black gentleman or has jewish heritage.Your gatekeeping did nothing but swallow AIDS and then slammed doors shut and insisted that AIDS was actually always part of anime and anime communities.Teens on TikTok making 10 second phonk edits are more anime fans than majority of /a/ that competes with shitting on anything even slightly popular and being contrarians in general.At least "normalfags" fucking like anime.This is /v/ all over again.
>>282862949trvke
>>282837878Middling at best with decent production values thanks to Madhouse.
>>282848193Meanwhile Fern dragging Frieren from Methode.
>>282862949>Your gatekeeping did nothing but swallow AIDS and then slammed doors shut and insisted that AIDS was actually always part of anime and anime communities.this
>>282837878probably the best show of the last 20 years.the bar is pretty fucking low, like absurdly low.99% of anime is garbage now.crazy this is on american streaming.
>>282862949>durr shounenThe shounenspics are the ones that needed to be gatekept to begin with>was lots of fun to try and introduce people to animeHave you considered not being such a slave to society that you need widespread approval of your hobbies to enjoy them?>retarded fanserviceYou are exactly the element that needs to be gatekept. The problem with shounenshit is not fanservice. Bitching about fanservice is never anything more than performative handwringing to push the agenda of censorship.Those who promote censorship deserve death.>Unironically trying to defend tikthot subhumansShut the fuck up. You're arguing against a strawman you've devised in your head to suck yourself off about your normalfaggot idea of moral high ground "I have hordes of fellow retarded subhumans on my side, so I must be right!"Absolutely nowhere did I say I disliked Freiren. I rightfully denounced your schizophrenic and unprovoked condemnation of gate-keeping, as you are clearly a mentally unwell astroturfer trying to engage in your traditional pastime of well poisoning.TL;DR: Go the fuck back to /v/ and stay there, you unhinged faggot.
>>282863236What makes it the best?
>>282837878It's painfully mediocre. It kinda touches upon some interesting themes which ,however, are not explored in any meaningful way nor make much sense in the context of the show. The thematic content of the show is frontloaded, and 5 episodes in is only mentioned in passing to keep up the mimecry of being deep and profound. The pacing is meandering and the content is sparce and banal. The characters are one note and samey in their attitude. The show fails to stay either consistent or articulate when it comes to establishing its central principles. It insists on saying quiet things out loud and loves to repeat itself. It's 6/10 show at best
>>282863236Now the bar has been lowered, because you enjoyed Rent a Girlfriend.
>>282846692Because show is incoherent when it depicts demons. The girl that was supposed to be the example of why demons cannot be trusted was shown confused when she murdered the head of the village and all that it tells me is that she just doesn't understand humans but that she potentially could've at least rationally and for her own sake lived peacefully among them if she'd been clued in properly
>>282864655>all that it tells me is that she just doesn't understand humans but that she potentially could've at least rationally and for her own sake lived peacefully among them if she'd been clued in properlywhy do you insist on touting your head-canon as fact when it's in direct opposition to what the series clearly states?Psychopaths don't magically spawn empathy if they're around humans long enough, real life has proven this time and time again.The demons are just psychopaths, that's it. stop expecting them to be anything more because you're conditioned by the modern trope or personal beliefs of redeeming all the evil.
>>282850797Because demons still clearly have fear of death. Were you in danger of being murdered for eating meat it would absolutely make you less inclined to do so. The same goes for demons. If fear of the bigger dog is so instilled in them why wouldn't they acquiesce the wished of a bigger dog of a different species? At the end of the day it's all about mana as far as the demon's hierarchy is concerned
>>282837878It's racism slop
>>282864655>could've at least rationally and for her own sake lived peacefully among them if she'd been clued in properlybut the point the chief was trying to make by taking her in wasn't just that she could learn to behave correctly. do you seriously think he took her in just so he could ''retrain'' her into behaving like a normal kid and not so she'd end up becoming ''normal'' and empathetic? a scenario where one misunderstanding could lead to her killing people for no reason isn't what any of them hoped for; hence why even himmler was okay with killing her. he recognized that his first instinct to treat her like a human that was just raised wrong to be a mistake. if he knew that he could've, at best, retrained her into behaving correctly without ever truly understand others he wouldn't have bothered. why show her any love and treat her as part of the group when she lacks any feeling of what wanting to (or even feeling like being) be part of a community is like in the first place? why not just retrain her like a dog through beatings or just doing so the way somone would train a robot?
>>282864797They would behave if a stronger being made them, but they still eat humans (and others like elves?) so they'd still have the desire to kill them if they ever got the chance.
>>282864747You dumb retard, that's exactly my point they don't need to spawn empathy they just need to understand the rules of it well enough rationally to follow them because not doing so would lead to their demise. The demon girl, from what was shown, was confused about the outcome of her decision since not wanting to die was the impetus of it to bwgin with
>>282864747He's not saying that the demon girl would have spawned "empathy".He's saying that the demon could have been trained to live peacefully under threat of violence. Basically, the exact same way the demons are subservient to each other. It's also something that I noticed when going through the series. In fact, the entire point of one of the arcs is that they don't have malice. Their actions are amoral.Demons do not exist. Their depiction in the show is merely an exaggeration of traits that already exist in humans, projected onto a fictional species to contrast with baseline humanity. The same way (generic) fantasy dwarves are a caricature of industriousness and greed, and (generic) fantasy elves are caricatures of "wisdom", arrogance, and smelling your own farts while sipping kale smoothies.It's not practical and there's no way the villagers could have done it long-term, but there's no particular reason that, say, Serie or Frieren wouldn't physically be able to keep a leashed demon around (in theory). You act as if the world doesn't already have psycopaths, many of which play along with (((society))) and pretend to have this "empathy" you speak of simply due to the threat of punishment if they didn't.
>>282864898>to understand the rules of it well enough rationallyTelling a psychopath that killing is wrong won't magically make them not kill if it could benefit them.You're fundamentally not understanding that your framework is fundamentally incompatible with their framework.
>>282864898why would any of them care so much retraining a race that lacks any and all feelings of empathy and whose members want to eat their children just so they could, theoretically, coexist (as long as them hurting you will lead to their demise)? are you retarded? do you think everyone hates them because they could never learn not to kill in any situation? no, it's because they are so incompatible with other races that they could only coexist with them if, at every single moment of contanct, they have to fear they'd otherwise get killed. why not just kill them all and be done with it?
>>282864942>Frieren wouldn't physically be able to keep a leashed demon around (in theoryah yes the>frieren should have just turned aura into an obedient slave https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lose%20the%20plot
>>282864883Do you have a desire to kill a cow every time you see it, retard?>>282864862What does it matter what point the head was trying to make. Yes, trying to develop empathy in a creature completely devoid of it turned out to be a fool's errand. But at the end of the day it all boils down to one question: is it possible for demons and other species to coexist and the answer considering the information show in that flashback is most likely yes. However, frieren and friends take the result of that unfortunate experiment as the proof of impassibilty of such outcome altogether which is moronic
>>282864950The benefit is that they get to live and a pretty comfortable life at that, you fucking imbecile
>>282864942Sure, a being like Frieren or Serie could easily keep them on a leash, but why would they? They hate them. It would've been very convenient if Frieren just ordered Aura to become her obedient servant and to use her to get other demons to lower their guards, but she didn't because she despises them and has no reason to ever accept them.You're either weaker than them and are at their mercy or are stronger and have an animal that'd kill you the moment you showed any weakness, regardless of how much time you spend with it. The entire point of ''trying to solve things with words like humans'' is making them WANT not to kill you, not just think it's better for their immediate self-preservation not to. If forming bonds with them, like humans (or even pets), is impossible, what's the point?
>>282865022>lets perpetually endanger every single human and have them always be in fear because we need to value the life of these poor innocent demons who don't know any betterhmm
>>282864964The argument the show makes is that it's fundamentally impossible for demons and others to coexist while failing to substantiate its claim. That's all what this argument boils down to you can keep kvetching if you want
>>282864950>Telling a psycopath that killing is wrongBut it isn't. Killing, by itself, is by definition amoral.Violence and killing is simply demonized by the powers that be which wish to keep the influencing capability of violence to themselves.The anon was wrong about the show being incoherent in its depiction of demons, but he's right about the fact that the demons could, in theory, be conquered and utilized as tools, or even the opposite considering how many "psycopaths" are already in positions of power in todays world.>>282864968In THEORY, anon. Nowhere did I say that she should.Is this what you've devolved to? Resorting to the fallacy fallacy against strawmen because someone disagreed with you and you can't argue the merits of your beliefs on their own?
>>282865051what a beautiful post of projection.post your nose.
>>282837878It's no One Piece but it's alright.
>>282865051>Multiple instances that Frieren's Demon can't coexist>Consumer automatically sees it racism>Anon points Frieren's Demon doesn't coexist>Consumer refuses acknowledge at all>Holds on how racist is Frieren really isLet me hope you get every single inconvenience throughout your entire life, without any bodily harm.
>>282865005>is it possible for demons and other species to coexist and the answer considering the information show in that flashback is most likely yes.Answer me this: if Himmel hadn't been there and if there had been nothing forcing the demon girl to behave in like 50 years, would she? No. Most races, even most most members of races like elves that are very long lived and often strong, are weaker than them, so how would they ever coexist? Unless you give every human child a weapon that'd kill them if they turned on them, there is no way to avoid them killing humans. Period. The things driving every other creature to not kill others, besides for self-perservation, do not apply to them.No one in that world wants this scenario you're advocating for because it's impractical and basically impossible to implement in most cases. I swear to god, if they didn't look like humans and were able to seem reasonable you wouldn't you think to question the approach of most people in that world. If there existed a sepecies of nigh immortal flying tigers that ate nothing besides humans and had no empathy or understanding of them and would kill them if they ever had the chance to without getting killed in return you wouldn't be talking about considering them beasts that should just be killed, for the sake of every human, weird.
Answer me this: can humans and demons breed?
>>282865152Bro, I don't fucking care about the optics of it, merely about the lack of cohesion in what is said what is shown and what conclusions are derrived as the truth diegetically. Keep seething though
>>282837974This
>>282865201the author will undermine it all and introduce a half-breed soon
>>282837878It's a mistake to think something that normies like is necessarily slop. Because normies have no taste, what they like or dislike should not factor into your decision making at all.Frieren is great. A lot of normies like it, because or in spite of that greatness. But you should watch it for yourself and decide. The first four episodes were released together (for good reason) but you should really watch the first six to get the full introduction. Then decide if you want to continue. The actual story comes after the six episode introduction.If you're a zoomzoom with a short attention span and just sorta half-ass watching Frieren you'll miss every important and subtle detail and probably hate it. It's something you need to pay attention to. If you're sub-90 IQ you'll also be unable to understand anything that's happening.And if you are particularly young, most of the emotional beats will fly over your head because you lack the necessary life experience to understand the characters and what they're going through. If that describes you after watching the show a bit, then I suggest leaving it for a few more years and coming back later. There will be more seasons by then anyway.
>>282865185Remember how Aura couldn't even fathom why Frieren would keep on doing the things Himmel would've wanted since he dead so there are no consequences? All demons are like that. The moment they aren't forced by their immediate circumstances to not kill you, they would regardless of how good of a relationship you've built up with them, regardless for how long. What reason does anyone have to even want to live alongside them? What's the point? Certainly not to prove that demons can change, not for some higher purpose like fighting against a common, greater, enemy (those don't exist).
>>282865202Please check out Episode 10 at 22:25 on Frieren.
>>282865026I'm not talking about the merits and whys of keeping demons on a leash as that's an entirely subjective topic. I'm merely discussing the hypothetical plausibility of doing so and, as the other anon said, the physical possibility of coexistence (not whether they should).>an animal that'd kill you the moment you showed any weaknessExcept they're monsters, not animals. They possess higher intelligence and capacity for foresight. Even if the animal could defeat (You), it would, hypothetically, be possible to train the demon to recognize that even if it were to kill you, another human (or elf) would eventually punish it in your place. After all, that's exactly what's happening in the show every time Frieren comes across a demon—punishing it in the place of those that they've already killed.Even a thousand years ago, the elves recognized that the age of humanity was coming. While Freiren is naturally taking part in the story seeing as she's the main character, numerous demons have been killed not by her, but by Fern instead. There's no practical reason to believe that a sufficiently advanced human kingdom could not eventually form an organization that specializes in the subjugation of demons and the swift punishment of any that step out of line; to the point that submission and service are their only feasible methods of staying alive, especially if they start with demon children similar to the one in the flashback. They could utilize some method to stunt the power growth of the demons, so that even if they're strong enough to be useful, they're still weak enough to be easily executed by the organization's enforcers.>>282865152>muh racists and racismThe fuck? What are you even arguing? Nobody mentioned racism, you fucking schizo.We are (or at least I am) busy talking about the possible implementation of violence-based chattel slavery with demons; not whether we should.
>>282865201Probably not, considering how they seem more like beasts and when they die they just disappear, disolving into mana like monsters. Could humans breed with Einsam?
>>282839707They all have different personalities. You're just autistic and don't understand how emotions work.
>>282865221Fern is most likely half-demon, considering she has purple hair (which we've only ever seen on demons), has the demons' natural ability to control her mana and we've never seen her parents. Will be interesting to see how Frieren takes it.
>>282841128The only people I know who have ever expressed an interest in shounen are women. They eat up that shit.
The blue hair faggot croaked in the same episode he was introduced only for him to appear again and again and again and again in flashbacks whenever the author feels like he wanted to flesh him out post-death. Shit's so goofy.
>>282865185Yes, I would why wouldn't I. If the girl in the flashback came out just as advertised to be murderous for no other reason than being murderous a monstor incapable of rational thought and only concerned with procuring its favorite meal by all means necessary I'd say the show walked the walk. But what was shown clearly didn't correspond with what was said. Would this girl be able to keep living an easy threat devoid life 50 years in the future? That depends on what rules these creatures rational or irrational. My point is that the author failed to properly establish the principles of its setting and the discrepancy leaves a bitter after taste of inconclusiveness
>>282865221I will point out my post here: >>282848031
>>282865273>Fern is most likely half-demon,what a way to nuke your series too, but i don't see it happening.
>>282865244If your argument is that, technically speaking, demons could learn the rules governing human society on logical level and, if forced, learn to behave and not kill them, then sure I agree with you. But where in the story is it stated that this retarded scenario of yours is impossible? >hypothetically, be possible to train the demon to recognize that even if it were to kill you, another human (or elf) would eventually punish it in your placeOnly if humans/elves, as a whole, were so superior to them that they'd never fight them. Do humans have have that much mana? Is the average human Serie or Frieren? If not, then they'd be smart enough to understand they actually can, and are, getting away with killing and eating humans, as they have for a very long time. >There's no practical reason to believe that a sufficiently advanced human kingdom could not eventually form an organization that specializes in the subjugation of demons and the swift punishment of any that step out of line; to the point that submission and service are their only feasible methods of staying alive, especially if they start with demon children similar to the one in the flashback. They could utilize some method to stunt the power growth of the demons, so that even if they're strong enough to be useful, they're still weak enough to be easily executed by the organization's enforcers.Maybe they could in the far future, maybe they even will. But that's not relevant as to whether or not humans and demons could coexist right now. >the possible implementation of violence-based chattel slavery with demonsIn you fanatsy scenario of a far off future where humans were advanced enough, sure. But not in the world the series takes place in right now.
>>282865242The fact that she didn't understand doesn't mean she couldn't
>>282865363When it said that the demons are animals that speak only to lure in humans and ran with it. Also when one failed experiment lead to an immediate execution
>>282865380>yeah bro surely it will work this time! (30 dead villages later)You'd be the guy who'd stubbornly get the human race genocided, just to satiate your ego.
>>282865315Tbh, I did feel like that scene of that girl killing the chief so she could give his daughter away to be kind of retared and would've expected them to be smart (it was kind of too on the nose just to demonstrate how they can't live amongst humans, I would have made the girl play the long game and wait until Himmel left and made them hear about the village getting destroyed afterwards). But that doesn't mean the fundamental idea of them not being able to live together with humans (except in your headcanon where humanity is so advanced they stop being a threat) is wrong or that the author hasn't established the principles governning them enough.
Not to mention why the fuck would a creature that evolved to specialize on subterfuge and trickery rely so much on raw power and use direct confrontation as it'smodus operandi. This show's worldbuilding is beyond retarded
>>282865430it was so heavy-handed because it was plainly trying to say to the audience>himmel learned his lesson with being optimistic and naive towards them, don't make the same mistakeand what happens? retards still are like>yeah but maybe?
>>282865468Because of their inherent mana/strength vanity that came FIRSTtrickery came SECOND
>>282865430I don't take issue with thw girl being retarded if anything her being retarded and her being confused about it is the reason why I'm able to argue for poasibility for coexistence. She didn't kill the guy out of malice or out of desire to eat. She killed him to make peace with those she hated. Not out of guilt but out of pure dislike of feeling killing intent toward herself. Hell, if she killed the woman who hated her it'd make her more unforgivable. As it was shown she just was just retarded and arguably that could've been fixed
>>282865488My scenario would've done that better as she'd have to have clearly demonstrated an understanding of how to fit in, recognizing the only thing keeping her from killing everyone is Himmel and would show how, opening yourself up to them will only lead to them betraying them (especially if they'd had stayed for a while and it'd have been shown how the girl ''integrates'' into the village). The scenario we got opened the floodgates for people thinking ''if only you explained to her how killing the chief in that situation was bad she'd totally become more human''
>>282865540Except that's retarded. If their mana vanity was their priority they would have no need for trickery and frankly speaking they don't. If they need trickery they don't need power
>>282865567>with those she hatesWith those that hated her*
>>282865242Do you think slaves immediately killed their masters the second they got the chance? Of course not! Or at the very least not regularly, or else slavery would have been impractical. Demons are clearly intelligent creatures capable of thinking ahead. Perhaps rather than "coexistence" it would be more clear to call it subjugation. Besides, we as a society are already forced to live with and coexist with worse; creatures that act violently without thinking ahead and thus cannot be trained no matter the institutional punishment awaiting their crimes.De-segregation was forced at gunpoint, after all.>>282865201I'm willing to volunteer myself to participate in Solitar's experiments to find out. It may take all the remaining decades of my life attempting to impregnate her in various ways, but it's a necessary sacrifice.For the sake of science.
>>282865567>to make peace with those she hated.No it was to not get herself killed because she obviously understood what keeps her from getting killed is making them think she can change. When has it been shown she genuinely wants to live amongst them without causing any of them any harm? Because she said she wanted to make ''peace''? Forget about her not understanding how killing the chief was bad, what exactly has proven she really wanted to live amongst them without ever just waiting to eat them at some later point? Because she didn't immediately? Why would she take the kid hostage without a moments hesitation? Because it was only ever about her survival, not about making them feel any differently about her (she never got the emotional part of it, hence her killing the chief in the first place).
>>282865580It was better to have himmel directly be faced with the consequences of his naivety, so the audience who believed in the things he does, are also forced to reconcile with him.
>>282865638Humans aren't demons. Human slaves have often learnt to develop a lot of affection for their owner and not necessarily even want to kill them/leave if they could. Demons lack the fundamental part that lets you and I form these connections. They could only be trained to learn that those stronger than them can never be gone against. If you genuinely believe there's any scenario in which a demon would ever sacrifice themselves for the sake of someone else, or an idea or anything beyond their immediate self-interest, you have completely misunderstood what sort of creatures they are. A literal dragon would be more human than them in this way.
>>282865615Humans learned to logically work through things because of fear.But does having the logic magically get rid of the fear? No.You can't just erase integral core traits that come first, because you acquire new things.No to mention demons REQUIRE STRENGTH TO SURVIVE IN THEIR OWN HIERARCHY.
>>282865363>But where in the story is it stated... impossibleDid you read the manga?In the entire arc about coexistence being impossible. It's not impossible- merely coexisting as equals is impossible.>Only if humans/elves, as a whole, were so superior to themBut it is possible. It may not be the point of the series, but the evidence provided is in favor of it.Especially if the demons were trained from birth and kept shackled or stunted in some manner. Perhaps if there were some sort of surgical procedure that could sever the connection of mana when done to immature demons. Controlling magic is also feasible, seeing as Macht even lived the rest of its life under the control of the bracelet, with the only fault being that the guy who placed it on him did so with the intent that it wouldn't work.>>282865430>headcanon where humanity is so advanced they stop being a threatThat's a different anon. I'm the one talking about hypothetical demon slavery operations. Hell, the manga's current arc is precisely about a magically advanced society that wishes to continue advancing and spreading magic. Don't forget that while the bulk of the story is taking place over the course of years, the timescale of the setting itself is already measured in centuries and millenia.With some clairvoyance users even mentioning certain things being necessary for events a thousand years in the future
>>282837878Good but overrated.
>>282865653Because she wasn't getting killed? She said I felt your killing intent toward me and I didn't like it so here I fixed what made you angry stop wanting to kill me. Yes at the forefront of it was the desire not to be killed. And it's a reason as valid as any to behave. However, your assumption that she was cerebral in her behavior and knew that the reformation was expected is completely baseless especially because it's followed by the most retarded thing you can do when pretending to be reformed
It is great!Anyone who dissgree is a jew.
>>282865837Please don't post lewd picture of Fern, thanks.
While anons are busy arguing what's good for their point of view and putting their entire energy to just to make and justify paragraphs.Here's Frieren Clone fight:https://files.catbox.moe/60sert.webm
>>282865749What are you even trying to say? How does it relate to demons having power yet allegedly evolving to be tricky?Their hierarchy also makes zero sense. I think most of the ambush predators lead a solitary life style. Having big numbers is kinda detrimental to the strategy. It's even mentioned that demons don't care for their offspring so how come demon society even came to be? Let's assume they have their hunting grounds for which they need to compete it doesn't mean that they must develop absurd amounts of mana to compete for it. They could just as easily be fist fighting for those.
>>282865725>Demons lack the fundamental part that lets you and I form these connections. They could only be trained to learn that those stronger than them can never be gone against. If you genuinely believe there's any scenario in which a demon would ever sacrifice themselves for the sake of someone elseHoly fucking shit, anon. WHEN the fuck did I say that?This is the entire fucking problem with this conversation. You are NOT operating under logic or literary understanding, you're arguing with fucking feefees that nobody is talking about or gives a fuck about. You're opening your mouth and spewing whatever FEELINGS you have, rather than THOUGHTS. I've lost my patience with you because you are clearly a fucking retard who does not think.How many fucking times do we have to tell you that NOBODY is talking about whether it's a "good" thing, or whether you can be "friends" with demons. You stupid illiterate nigger.Just shut the fuck up now, retard. You were never even talking to us to begin with; just the voices in your head that comprise the strawman you perceive us as. God, I fucking hate stupid "people". At least the demons could hypothetically be trained; you're too fucking stupid. Like trying to teach a worm to do tricks.And no, humans aren't demons. But "demons" are "humans" because they are a fucking portrayal of a facet of human characteristics presented in an exaggerated manner. Because there is no other fucking metric for sapient life in reality and thus all fantasy races are merely derivative of humanity.The same way orcs and goblins are exemplifications of stupidity such as (You)rs
>>282865919When I see long texts and multiple paragraphs.All I feel is anon's high blood pressure building up.
>>282865886>What are you even trying to say?That you profoundly misunderstand basic things about the series, and really existence in general.Why would you abandon one useful tool because you acquired another one?Trickery is also useful because it allows demons to PRESERVE MANA THE THING THEY CARE ABOUT A LOT
>>282846439Wait are you the same retard from a couple months ago who I got into an argument with over Fern and then eventually had to admit you never watched the show at all after I listed off three scenes from three episodes that proved you wrong?
>>282865941It's called not being a fucking ph*neposter.I spent more time trying to find/remember where the fuck I put these pictures than I do typing up the rest of the post. Normalfags getting access to the internet via phones was a mistake.
>>282865965Yep that's none other than me, Anonymous. You fucking retard.
>>282846894I define normies as people who unironically watch mainly the MCU and Disney+ Star Wars shows and Harry Potter and think it's pretty great. They tend to watch things only because they think it's popular (whether it actually is, is another matter), and then inevitably like everything they see. If they dislike anything at all, it's because it's something they heard that other people disliked. They're kinda like the 1/3rd of the population that only laughs when they see other people laugh at something, but don't actually have a sense of humor.Overall, it's just pointless to care what normies think one way or another. They don't have any discernment of their own. Basing one's own decisions on normies is stupid. Their opinions are assigned.
>>282863102They have a mother-daughter relationship but often Fern is the one who's the mother. In that scene Fern is protecting her baby elf from a sex predator who got handsy. That's not romance, that's stranger danger.
>>282866016Just busy providing Gif and WebM to /a/ threads.And this is all by ffmpeg scripts.Sure, just enjoy content and put all energy on making clips, instead of arguing anons.Much happier this way.
>>282865615>If they need trickery they don't need powerAnd what happens when the trickery fails? You just trick harder?
>>282866053You post the exact same way and say the same exact things. I just don't know why you're still putting on the act of having watched the series when you obviously haven't, and are just saying things everyone who's seen it knows are lies. Do you think you'll somehow trick other people into not watching it? Why does that matter to you so much? What do you get out of this?
>>282865867Thanks, anon
>>282846879More like why does this manga even have a mage test in it? What does it actually add to the story or characters? Did we really need a long mage test arc?
>>282837878how about (You) go watch it and form your own opinion
>>282865845Not that guy but the only thing Fern is good for is getting lewded.
>>282867101mage test as an idea is good, the execution was just bad and disjoint from the series.
Fidgetting Frieren.
>>282867596cute!
Midren: Beyond Journey's Mid
What do you think they did, soon after?
>>282867933get into a melodrama argument
>>282867596she's fidgeting because her womb is filled with semen
i don't care about any of this lame sanctimonious garbage discussionaura is cuteC U T E
>>282837878Fern is fat
>EW I CANNOT WATCH /a/NYTHING POPULAR I MUST WATCH THR MOST OBSCURE SHIT SO I CAN BE ACCEPTED BY OTHERS
>>282871043Everytime she eats, all that fat goes to tits and ass.
>>282865244>Except they're monsters, not animals. They possess higher intelligence and capacity for foresight.Then they're not animals. Intelligence is the divide. And their intellect goes beyond just some shit you'd see out of corvids. The series gives them capacity for thought and then turns around and does that scorpion frog thing because LOL DEMONS. The two concepts don't merge.
>>282838099>implicitly pro fascistFunny you retards call anything fascist that calls out your suicidal empathy.
>>282871843>The series gives them capacity for thoughtand lets us know quite clearly they don't care about it, only violence.Why do people assume every single entity that can climb out of the water automatically has to assume our moral framework?
>>282872031also the top scene is highlighting sanpaku eyes too
Why didn't Frieren use Aura to at least kill a few more demons by having them let their guard down? Is it because of that whole "those with a strong enough will being able to get one hit in" thing?
>>282866193If your whole evolutionary plan was to be a trickster and you failed to perform this function you die out. There's just not enough time to evolve into anything else before you do
>>282865946Who says anything about abandoment of anything you retard. The question is how it came to be that they possess these two very contradictary aspects. Why did they came to value mana so much if it had nothing to do with them hunting human successfully by simply tricking them. Clearly they went all in as far as mimicry is concerned, yet somehow they also managed to evolve an absurd pool of mana and ungodly magic ability
>>282871843That's what I'm saying, anon.Frieren outright says in the Golden Land arc that Coexistence is impossible. However, that's only because they're talking about a foolish coexistence as equals that Macht was attempting to understand. Subjugation is feasible.>>282872031>only violenceSo speak with them through violenceFrom a purely hypothetical standpoint, there's no reason humans could not simply subjugate demonkind (with enough power, or checks against demon power). The demon loli from the village could probably be defeated by the average adventurer. If an organization simply took demons at that stage of development and prevented them from developing; perhaps by some form of lobotomy or amputation, then it's perfectly feasible to prepare them for domestic ownership in any civilized region with internal policing.They do not actually have to eat humans to live, which is an established fact in the universe. Demons possessing intelligence and speech means that they can be taught the consequences of disobedience. The series says that demons speak only to deceive; but that goes both ways, like how the mayor of the city initially pretended to agree to peace talks deceived the demon with the intent to murder it. Sure, he got deceived back, and he may not have won the fight had it started, but it doesn't change the fact that he did in fact manage his goal (get him to the room where he wanted to kill him). Their deceit means nothing once you know their game.They don't have to teach demons to feel like humans do; merely that if they do something humans don't like, they will be executed. I'm not sure whether they feel pain or register it the same way as us, but that could be utilized as well. Perhaps instead of the complicated mind-control artifact that Macht had, an implanted shock/explosive device could be utilized for compliance/a deadman switch.
>>282875274>From a purely hypothetical standpoint, there's no reason humans could not simply subjugate demonkindYou're implying such an immense amount of work, resources, and effort, and risking so many lives, and all for what end?Human arrogance in wanting to tame everything, and having some lame ego hangup about just admitting some races are better off exterminated?
>>282874745How about this: They first evolved from monsters that lurked in the dark and lured people in so they can kill them. They thus develop the ability to mimic human cognition (minus some things like empathy) so they're able to do that, but they also need some basic skill at killing them. The intellect to do the mimicry grants them the ability to self reflect and improve by training their mana (they are mainly made up of mana so it's natural to train in that) and it gives them the individualistic nature necessary to want to become stronger to rise up their own hierarchy. They not only have to evolve and survive creatures like humans, but other members of their species as well; this creates a pressure that continually forces them to become stronger (otherwise other demons will just kill them). Over the course of their very long lifespan they can amass a great amount of mana and because of the fact that they're monsters mainly made up of it they probably have more talent than most humans. It makes why they are both very strong and are able to mimic people so well.The ability to mimic humans so well, as well as their fundamental nature as mana-based monsters and endless natural lifespans, is the entire reason they are so strong in the first place. Humans become stronger by gathering up in large groups and ''pooling their intelligence'' (their ability to collectively learn and improve), while demons do so by virtue of living so long and the basic cognition necessary to slowly become stronger over time (not that a ''newborn'' demon is necessarily weaker than a human, it's only relative to their species).
>>282875597They didn't devlop ability to mimic human intellect. They straight up have one minus empathy which is already incredibly wasteful considering what their goal is. To kill a human you don't need to have mana neither do you need to possess a strong sense of self or an ability to self reflect. There are numerous far better and simpler alternatives.Why is there an hierarchy if it makes for them to lead a solitary lifestyle considering their origin as an ambush predator? Why do they get to live hundreds of years? It's just incredibly incoherent and all over the place
>>282875392>work, resources, and effort, and riskCan't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.>human arroganceI'm not concerning myself about the "why" or the "should", I'm talking about "can"I'm approaching this more from the perspective of a mad scientist, not an ethics consultant. The most I'll reason for as to "why" would involve the practical contributions of a race of intelligent monsters being available for both commercialization and domestic ownership.Imagine the dividends, just think of how much the number would go up.Imagine the increase to quality of life with your personal demon slave to cook and clean for you.Imagine having your very own Solitar or Aura or demon-loli simply for your pleasureImagine the human lives saved when you can simply make a demon work the oil rigs or EODOne of the things we learn about defensive magic is that it's weaker to physical attacks. They even nearly got wiped out by the in-setting humans during the war, according to Solitar. The idea that humans could never become powerful enough to subjugate demonkind is ridiculous, because the humans both in-setting and in reality already are. Fern killed a demon general by simply blasting her from far away, when that's one of the things militaries specialize in. Even demon generals (with the possible exception of the clairvoyance one and the demon king whose abilities we haven't heard much of) would simply eat a shell/missile from beyond the horizon if they got uppity. Demons sold for domestic ownership would have a deadman switch tied to the life of their owner, along with pain induction for compliance.There's also the psychological aspect; even if they can't feel all the emotions, they can feel some of them. They can feel despair and fear and those things can be used against them. Perhaps if you whip them enough times during their formative years, you could instill instinctual submission in them, similar to how elephants are trained.
>>282876167Another big issue, is the pandora's box of >you enslaved us first...And then retarded humans aligning with anti-slavery demons too.Just close the box anon.
>>282872031I'm pro evil demon my point is that largely the explanation and context of the show is fucking retarded. They want evil demons just have them be demons because demons are fucking evil. It's like when sci fi stories get their techno babble wrong. People are willing to accept stuff exists but when you explain it, and get your own explanation wrong it stands out. All you had to do was say FUCK DEMONS. It almost feels like they're trying to play it safe by making it so Frieren doesn't hate a whole race even if they're fucking demons.
>>282876330>They want evil demons just have them be demons because demons are fucking evil. that's literally what the show does.it tells you 2 evil demons + 2 evil demons = 4 evil demons, and you're questioning the math.
>>282876396No it doesn't. The show goes out of the way to explain that demons are basically just monsters but also shows they're intelligent. That is the exact opposite. You're either an intelligent cunning agent of hell who preys on human weakness or you're an alligator.
>>282876495>evil can only be mindless
>>282848957>but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evilYep, exactly. I don't mind the concept of demons, it could've been good, but how they're depicted is just ridiculous.
>>282876516I just... wow. You are a special kind of illiterate.
>>282876547>monsters can only be mindless
I read the manga before the anime was announced and the threads were good and peopled liked it. Now there's an anime that I don't care about and all the threads are bad and filled with idiots
>>282837878Your picture perfectly describes the anime. Every character is perpetually stoic and bored. It's like everyone has autism.
>>282876028Their fucking corpses don't even stay when they die, anon. Their biology is clearly utterly foreign to us. They're fucking magic, anon. The answer is MAGIC.It's likely that monsters in general don't die of age as they're clearly not made of mortal flesh like the humans and dwarves to begin with. Don't forget that the setting has literal MAGIC stemming from DEITIES. If the answer isn't merely "magic", then the answer is intelligent design. The series hasn't told us all that much about the setting's religion yet, but some form of antagonistic deity may be directly responsible for the existence of demons and monsters.>>282876242Of course it's dangerous. I'm of the personal opinion that slavery was one of the worst mistakes this country ever made due to the spread of biological contaminants that resulted. The janissaries were dangerous as well, and in a more direct manner, even. Yet that didn't stop the Ottoman Empire from using them, and I didn't even go so far as to suggest weaponization of demons, though it'd be basically guaranteed to occur.I'm simply playing Devil's lol Advocate here in regards to the feasibility of a form of "coexistence", even if it's not the kind Macht envisioned (Where the demons would learn to think like humans) but instead one where the humans learn how to handle demons. The retards falling for the deceit of non-humans just like they did generations ago is not in the purview of my hypothesis. In the envisioned scenario, humanity is properly innoculated against the deceit of demons and all are aware of their nature. All it'd really take is someone inventing the printing press and Frieren working with the church to spread awareness of how demons work to the point that nearly nobody falls for their tricks anymore.
The fundamental contradiction is that the manga says that demons somehow evolved to be what they are. No, that's fucking impossible. As a race and as individuals they are so dysfunctional and retarded that they would've died out forever ago.
>>282876495>intelligent cunning agent of hell who preys on human weaknessYou'd just complain because "how can you be cunning and not have the free will and not be evil??"
>>282837878No. It had a female protagonist on it.
>>282837878it gud
>>282876677>As a race and as individuals they are so dysfunctional and retarded that they would've died out forever ago.yeah it's pretty unrealistic desu
>>282876677Demons were obviously artificially created. Probably by some retarded demon god who is in opposition to the goddess or something like that.
>>282876674The point is the author is retarded and cannot create anything of coherence hence the need to handwave shit with magic
>>282876935africa was just like any other place before European meddling. At worst you could say they were primitive
>>282837878>normie
I am quite sad that aura doesn't get any good art anymore. I suppose it's already nice that she got as much as she did for how short her appearance is in the anime,
>>282876972are humans artificial creations too?
>>282877156Probably spawned in by the goddess, yeah.
>>282877202>WERE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU AND I
>>282876972I'd personally prefer for them to have just evolved into what they are on their own and that they, in a way, are just like the Einsam. I find making everything about some dualistic bullshit fight between good and evil to be kind of boring.>>282877116She deserves even more desu. Her design is too good to go to waste.
>>282837878It was written entirely to bait teenagers into believing they're watching some intellectual anime when it's just boring shit without a purpose
>>282878838Truth Nuke.
no need to reply to your own post anon
>>282878838>boring shit without a purposeit got me to get a job
>>282879742>it got me to get a jobI'm watching Frieren right now but this doesn't seem to be working. When do I start wanting a find a job?
>>282879742not your blog
>>282837878Having watched myself I would say it's good, the music is great, visuals are immaculate, story is GOOD but the mangaka was obviously inexperienced, the magical exam arc is one of those things that hurt the pacing drastically.
>>282837878>it's okay to commit atrocities against demons who are basically humans with horns because it just is, okay?! Stop asking questionsIt's shit
>>282881176oy vey my fellow dem-, i mean human, you are absolutely correct
>>282837974>using your own word instead of the 4chan approved npc word is... le bad!!!frieren is made for sheeple like you
>>282837878its okay
>>282837878Yea, it's good.Watch it.
>>282837878It is good until you realize the author was just pulling stuff out of their ass as they go. They had no real story in place at the start. And frankly this explosion of popularity scared them shitless because now they don't know what to do.
>>282884027Season 2 is coming out next year
What's up with Fern being embarrased here?
>>282884063what's with frieren's seiyuu being sick? is that going to impact its release? would be a shame if she doesn't recover soon.
>>282885863Voice acting is the first thing they do, way before the actual drawing. So, she (and everyother VA) already recorded her lines long time ago.And she isn't sick in a way her voice is going away as far as I can tell, it's just that she got too much work, she's slowing down taking other works for now.But she was doing Frieren events like a week ago:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONSL-FTNic
>>282886768That's a relief then. What I heard made me think she's seriously ill or something and might not be able to work on the show or even at all.
>>282885590Being treated like a child on front of her love interest.It's embarrassing to have your pseudo parent dote on you in a way your crush has never seen before.Ironically being embarrassed by this is more immature but Fern is a bit immature.
>>282838099power level faggotry in the later part of claymore was very bad
>>282837878>Is this anime normieslop or actually a good genuine anime?Both, I suppose.
>>282837878Anime is a normie hobby so if you watch anime you are already by definition a normie
>>282884027I genuinely do not know how I feel about the manga developments. I would say there is still a lot of great moments there. Also, so many nothing arcs some of which were quite puzzling. But the Macht arc was really good and had a nice payoff. Most people already have their opinions set on the current arc, but to me the jury's still out. The author has the complicated gift of sometimes delivering unexpected greatness.
>>282837878It's good but character design and abundance of cute girls carries it somewhat
>>282862949>SAO-levels of retarded fanserviceTourists like you are why we need gatekeeping
>>282890880You don't know what gatekeeping is. Especially when you keep using twitter lingo like a newfag.
>>282890880Anon, seeing Fern every episode is the fanservice. And don't forget that air kiss; pretty sure it got censored in the blu ray version.
>>282837878its allright but the flashback scenes butcher the pacing so brutally hard and the plot barely moves forward bcs of it
raw sex with frieren
>>282894008She can't even get aroused, absolutely asexual creatures those elves
>>282894327her problem not mine
>>282894327when she sees human cock she will get wet fast
>>282866211How can you be so confident yet so wrong. Like holy fuck what are we even doing here. You're mistaking me for some other faggot you've been beefing with from a couple months ago. Fucking schizo.
This shitty ass show is not nearly clever enough to warrant such extensive and heated discussions. Loving every laugh.
>>282842371Frieren fucks mimics.
>>282837878It's better than most seasonal anime, but that's not a high bar to reach.
my friends with an iq below 90 hated frieren...its a iq issue
