Where tf did all those slap-happy tsundere heroines from 00s anime disappear to? Shit like Taiga in Toradora was peak—loved that whole "punch first, blush later" vibe for hiding the dere, desu.
>>282865162everyone hated this trope, something about violence not being justifiable
Taiga was shit, Ami was a real tsundere, they're supposed to grow.
>>282865162People only tolerated it for KugiRie. Every other Tsundere that tried to do it was hated.
>>282865162Kurisu is the only well written tsundere. Taiga a shit.
>>282865162Rightfully into the trash.
>>282865162Most men are not masochists like you, anon.>>282865912>reddit;gate>well written anything
What is everyone excited for this christmas?
>>282866013>Toradora>well written anything Delusional fanboy.
>>282866285Part 4.One can dream, right?
>>282866819What part of Greatest Love Story Ever Told don't you understand, anon?
Tsunderes have fallen off in recent years because zoomies prefer girls who are infatuated with (You) on the first sight like Marin, etc.
>>282866285having dinner with my family :3
>>282866894wagashi release part 4 you coward!
>>282866932What part of it was sarcastic and newfags took it seriously don't you understand?
>>282866819Both are right?
>>282866994That's more sensical and realistic than sticking with a violent bitch when there's nicer, cooler, hotter girls around (unless you're a masochist).
>>282866932Okabe and Kurisu get a lot closer to that concept of the ideal love story than Taiga and fucking what's his face.
>>282865162>girl half your size walks up to you and slaps your leg, doesn't even make you flinchDon't get the appeal desu
>>282865912This. Actually good tsunderes in general are few and far between.
>>282865215fag
>>282865162The best of the KugiRie tsundere was Nagi, and her popularity got overshadowed by Hinagiku, a "kind" tsundere type, in her own show. You do the math.
>>282865912S;G is dogshit though.
>>282865162Zoomers are too frail for the tsun
Contrary to what you see outside of Nippon, tsundere still do well there, but they definitely have more of a soft touch and are more well-rounded, and that's a good thing.
>>282865162If I wanted to watch weak men bending over backwards to simp for nasty mean entitled cunts, I'd just watch western shows.
>>282868359>The best of the KugiRie tsundere was NagiAfter Shana and Louise, you mean?
>>282866932Precious angel that should be shielded from the evils of humanity at all costs.
>>282868729>they definitely have more of a soft touch and are more well-roundedOP is clearly talking about the type of tsundere that beats up the MC for no reason
>>282869615So he is, sorry. In the case of the disappearance of the violent tsundere in the mainstream, it might be due to heavy slapstick comedy going out of vogue.>that beats up the MC for no reasonI think some of them deserved it for being dense retards.
>>282865162New writers simply don't understand what makes a tsundere great, they think they can just make a girl blush and be mean and that's it, when the enjoyable part about a tsundere is that they grow and learn to express themselves better when they finally understand that it's ok to be vulnerable.Btw, Shana is the original short tsundere voiced by Rie, everything after that was inspired by Shana.
>>282870372Explains why Shana is the only good one.
>>282865215FpbpAsuka a shitTaiga a shitGorilla a shit
>>282865162to the depths of hell where they belong
>>282870372It's more like there's differing conceptions of what constitutes a good tsun:dere ratio and how that's mapped over time. In this very thread you see some people chimp out over them while others express the opposite.
>>282869937Japan sucks at "slapstick", they don't know how to set it up properly and the "victims" often don't deserve it>>282869937>being stupid justifies assaulting them for no reasonNo, it does not, only idiots and simps justify this kind of bullshit behavior. I'm so glad violent bitch tsunderes have largely died out now, easily one of the worst "trends" to ever come from anime.
>>282870372>tsundere>greattwo word that should never be in the same sentence>calling out violent tsundere double standard bullshit is "chimping out"You're a retard, not much else to say
>>282871078>Japan sucks at "slapstick", they don't know how to set it up properly and the "victims" often don't deserve itIt didn't used to be like this but then pervy MCs became problematic.
Lashing out over a discussion on tropes is chimping out.
>>282870372Anime nowadays is all about easy self-gratification. No wonder they don't want a waifu that presents a challenge and takes actual effort into developing a relationship with.
>>282871670Thank god for visual novels
>>282870372If tsunderes ever want to be "great" in any capacity then they need to learn how to express themselves without pointless violence like normal people and not act like mental cases. Pretty simple.
>>282871872Then they stop being tsunderes.
>>282865912fpbp
>>282872081There are plenty of tsunderes who aren't violent chimps.
>>282868359Nagi isn't even really a tsundere. She's just a brat in general but is very kind to Hayate in her bratty way
>>282873110Name five.
>>282870372The thing about Shana was that I wouldn't even call her a pure tsundere. She was a tsundere and kuudere put into a blender. Which most of her successors weren't.
>>282865162men have been losing testosterone more and more each generation, so the fantasy of dicking down bitchy girls like taiga and haruhi no longer appeal to zoomers and alphas
>>282865162The joke got old and without that the appeal is dead, most guys want a girl that's not violent and impossible to deal with
>>282873685>shana>kuudere??????????????????????????????
>>282873714Zoomer here, I confirm this. begin raised by women destroys you mentally
>>282865162The sharp rise of feminism and inceldom made zoomers too gender-sensitive for shit like this, they now see women as genuine threats so they can’t tolerate this kind of behavior.
>>282875356>they now see women as genuine threatsI mean, aren't they??
>>282868581They inherited such a shitty world a and corrupted culture, that I actually feel sorry for them desuImagine being born into the 'dating app' and 'social media' world, right after the 'real human interaction' part of human civilization(even online, people used to have meaningful discussions and connections for quite a while).
>>282865162I really like the classic tsundere if done well. The problem is that tsunderes are very easy to do badly and very hard to do well. There's a few critical things that you need to accomplish in order to make a tsundere work:>there needs to be an appropriate balance of tsun to dere>there needs to be consistent character growth over time: a tsundere has to be a character with an arc, she can't be static, and she can't just change overnight at the end >you need to show (not just tell) the audience that the character is struggling internally with her feelings and either doesn't understand her feelings or doesn't understand how to express them without going through character growth>you need to match the character's behavior with the overall tone of the story: if the story as a whole has a lot of comic relief and cartoon violence, then having the tsundere beat up the MC works, because it's consistent with the established logic of the setting, but if that clashes with the rest of the story, it makes her seem like a psycho bitch (which is what a lot of people in this thread seem to be complaining about)>the tsundere needs to face some actual consequences for her decisions sometimes>the love interest needs to be the right kind of love interest for a tsundere story: he can't just be a pathetic wet noodle with no agency or ability to stand up for himself, and if he's treated badly, he has to EARN that somehow. He has to be on an equal playing field with the tsundere so he doesn't just come off as a victim
>>282865162Taiga works because there's an actual reason central to the narrative why she's so hostile
>>282865162>IF THIS WAS A GIRLand other types of low T men got mad enough about it that the trope is no longer liked by the mainstream.
>>282865162Crab destroyed the tsundere archetype
>>282866994>because zoomies prefer girls who just rape (you) on the first sight FTFY
I prefer the tsunderes who banter with the guy and throw a few harmless kicks here and there so I can see their panties.
>>282871670this, people see characters purposefully written to have flaws and instantly drop it, when the best thing about narrative is seeing how people grow and learn that changing through great effort is important and necessary if they want to have good companions around, nowadays people watch anime like it's playing with toys, and if a toy say anything slightly inconvenient, they throw it away.This is what I like about Shakugan no Shana, Yuji had to learn to be more greedy and courageous to save Shana, while Shana had to learn to be more kind and expressive to save Yuji.
>>282881020>Yuji had to learn to be more greedy and courageous to save ShanaThis ties in nicely with what >>282877848 said, and that's having a good love interest who can handle and grow with the tsundere girl. Hell, even Amagami's MC handled Kaoru well enough. There's no excuse.
>>282881206I think having a compatible love interest and a compatible story overall is critical for making a tsundere work. Most of the shitty ones that people hate are a result of an author throwing one in just for the sake of checking that box. A tsundere can work in a love triangle, but not a harem, and tends to do best as the obvious central love interest.
>>282881352Yeah, just forcing one in does nobody any good, including people who like tsundere. The ones people like to crap on I don't even hate because I can see how they could work if she had a guy who could match her and believably crack her shell with his own effort.>A tsundere can work in a love triangle, but not a harem, and tends to do best as the obvious central love interest.While I agree they're usually best as main heroines, I think they can work in harems so long as the author continues to gradually develop them instead of leaving them in limbo. But again, that's apparently super hard even though it shouldn't be.Honestly, VNs are my favorite medium for tsundere because even if they're not the main heroine, they'll have a whole route dedicated to her and the MC developing with one another.
tsundere thread?tsundere thread.something recent without unnecessary violence
>>282881352>but not a harem Tsurendes are best when they have to compete with eager rivals, the other girls can easily be used as a plot device to force her into action.The only issue is the tsundere takes more narrative focus to properly develop as a love interest, and naturally bigger casts will lead some tsunderes to get mogged or never get their focus chapters. That's a fault of the character though, not the archetype.Pic unrelated.
>>282881806I don't read that one's manga, but nips sure do love her. Just goes to show you how easily a beloved tsundere can be done.
heroes don't dick down villainesses nearly as much as you guys say
How does /a/ feel about tsuntsun?
And who doesn't love Takao and her nearly fatal wardrobe malfunction?
>>282881824>Tsurendes are best when they have to compete with eager rivals, the other girls can easily be used as a plot device to force her into action.You can do that without making it a harem though.
>>282874563Nah, he's kinda right. At the very start she acted cold and distant towards Yuuji, both because she literally did not see him as human (because he wasn't) and because she was a child soldier who was raised by autists and inhuman beings who had no concepts of romance whatsoever and that passed on to her. Once she develops feelings she becomes a true tsundere because she has no way to express or understand what she's feeling except through what she knows (violence).
>>282866285good stream with enjoyable showsvacation, which is just me being a NEET for like 2 weeks and cross off some anime from the backlogindie gayming
>>282882481>y-chan is lusting after x-kun, this is war!and>FUUUUUUCK There are 6 other girls trying to fuck x-kun right now, I have to do something!are two totally different dynamics. The constant threat of multiple other women leaves less room for bullshit that they may get away with in a love triangle.
>>282866285I get to work 10 hours that day!
>>282883457She showed emotions from the start, though. I remember lots of angry urusais from the start.
