How come I enjoy Naruto more than One Piece despite One Piece being significantly better written?
>>282932730Because One Piece is the Rick & Morty of anime.
>>282932776that would be FMA
>>282932730Because you grew up in the 2000s listening to Monster by Skillet AMVs. Possibly Animal by Three Days Grace too. Also Bodies by Drowning Pool.
>>282932730Because like 99.9% of all anime fans you neither know what "good writing" is nor do you possess the intellectual capacity to understand let alone articulate it. So you've deluded yourself into believing that Warm Piss is well written cause its midwit fanbase screeches about how it is all the time (it isn't). You don't even think it is yourself. You merely parrot their narrative.
>>282932949But Naruto is also poorly written and I enjoy that
dad isuesMinato>Dragon
>>282932730Because early Naruto was actually good at one point despite the board being tsundere for it. Like a marathoner who had a great start but fell flat halfway before reaching the goal.
>>282932730One Piece is ugly as shit to look at, and the characters are less relatable on an emotional level
>>282932730>when some rank hussy makes moves on YOUR little boy
>>282932730Because Naruto is well animated when it needs to be while One piece is never well animated.
>>282932730naruto's setting is more interesting even if the writing doesn't live up to its potential. It's something that could greatly benefit from stuff like altverse vidya or what if spinoffs. It's a lot worse on revisits too, much more than one piece just due to how poorly thought out a lot of stuff is
Naruto (not shippuden) is somewhat interesting
Because Naruto isn't all shit even if the plot is messy. Sasuke is one of the best rival characters out there and the setting is neat. The art is also generally better.
>>282933710>Sasuke is one of the best rival characters out there
Because Nardo has Guy-sensei.
>>282933752He's actually an equal to Naruto, so yeah.
>despite One Piece being significantly better writtenThat hasn't been true for a long time:>more asspulls than naruto with gear 3rd, asura, diable jambe, monster point, muh healing hormones, haki, nika, gear fifth>characters becoming flanderised>reusing the same plot every other island>fights are incomparably worse, it's just a few punches and happen offscreen. Completely neglected in favour of progressing the story. On the other hand, Naruto uses the fights to push the story forward and display character development>wano created significant plotholes>themes in naruto are tested through the villains, with pain and madara challenging the heroes' beliefs. Meanwhile luffy's ideals are never tested and the bad guys are just comically evil>story lost all tension after 'just laugh harder lmao'>one piece has double the chapters but is only half as concise>one piece treats the reader like a retard and spoonfeeds everything. Not like naruto is subtle either but still
>>282933527It's perfect for an MMORPG. Imagine, you pick a village and a clan from that village, then get a chakra nature at random. You and a squad of other players go out to do missions and sometimes encounter other players from other villages who have a mission to stop you.
>>282933752Nta but it's true. Sasuke was a serious goal for Naruto and both pushed the other to get stronger.It helps that Sasuke was the deuteragonist as well. He never orbited around naruto and never needed to be rescued. He carved out his own path, one totally seperate from the main character. He never orbited around him and seemed to have his own agency throughout. The narrative was that sasuke was lost and needed help, but he overcame everyone that wanted to manipulate him. When they do actually interact in shippuden, it's exciting because the two main characters are finally together. And having their paths and ideologies clash at the very end after all that buildup was great. I can't remember how it was in the manga, but the anime versions of their fights were phenomenal. Especially their final battle. I know pierrot got a lot of shit back in the day but they absolutely killed it with that final battle. Still one of my favourite anime fights of all time, if not my favouriteMeanwhile you have other rivals like Vegeta and Kaiba who are losers always chasing after the mc. They're cool characters, don't get me wrong. But they never feel like a serious threat to the mc. Kaiba had his moment in battle city but that's it, while Vegeta was stronger at their first meeting. Hell, I thought Kaito, Reiji and Revolver were better rivals so Kaiba wasn't even the best rival in yugioh
>>282934082Vegeta beat Goku 3 times
>>282934421...in his dreams
>>282932730because something being good doesn't mean it's enjoyable.one piece is enjoyable if you have followed the +1000 chapters, but not everyone has time to remember every piece of lore. same reason why kimetsu no yaiba is so popular right now. do you need to know every character and story beat to watch the new movie? not really. is it well written? for what it is, yes. is it good? it's very average for the genre. is it enjoyable? yes, for all the listed reasons.it's also why shit like warhammer or comic books are hard to enjoy without being familiar with a fuckton of media.naruto is simple, to the point, self contained and you really don't need to know much to pick it up at any point. you don't read naruto or one piece because you want a good story, you just want to watch cool fights and nice powers being thrown around, if you want a nuanced story or deep themes you either pick a book or read manga that isn't aimed at literal children
>>282932730Naruto has the superior aesthetic, ost and emotional weight.
>>282932730You'e a retarded person who watched naruto as a kid.
>>282932730One Piece is not better written. It’s a repeating template of pirates going to a island fucked over by the bad guy they fight, with Luffy taking on the main baddie and Zoro fighting another swordfag or #2 bad guy. Rinse and repeat, through in some lore here and there and you got yourself Sunk Cost: The Manga. Here’s where and why One Piece failed for so long in comparison to its contemporary. The beginning of Naruto is so much better than One Piece. East Blue is a poor starting point, and the animation is inferior to Naruto’s. The character design, backgrounds, setting, music, opening, and fight choreography are also a good bit worse. Early One Piece is pretty glacial to take off, and is slower than Black Clover’s start. Naruto’s timeskip series Shippuden basically starts before they beat CP9.
>>282933710>rivalryFunny how Naruto is a rorschach test on what the central characters are to the audience and each other.
>>282932730One Piece isn't significantly better written.
>>282933454Recent OP has got sakuga animation now but they cared way too late. Maybe that's why they're doing an anime reboot by studio WIT
>>282932730>how come I enjoy junk food better despite real food being healthier?
>>282935493>food analogy
>better written
>>282935568
>>282932730you mean manga or anime?
>>282935568>>282935588indeed
>>282932730>despite One Piece being significantly better written?
>>282934574...called Dragon Ball
>>282934574Gokubro btw
>>282932730not my problem
>>282932730One Piece is a very ambitious manga and its politics are so relevant today it's insane. It also goes full retard less often than Naruto and Bleach (however, the writing around Oden is the most amateurish dogshit out of the three of them). That's where the praises end though. The abysmal pacing and arcs following very similar beats holds it back. It's very weird, it's like One Piece is simultaneously impressive and unimpressive, there's a catch to everything. The politics are great, but Luffy doesn't give a shit about any of it. Factions always moving in the background is great, but the Strawhats themselves rarely do anything interesting. Honestly a lot of problems go back to the Strawhats just being shit.
>>282932730because one piss is actually horrible
>>282932730You're probably a faggot, but that goes for most of nu-/a/. I mean, Naruto is basically the Steven Universe of anime. It's fucking absurd how people have forgotten just how much people loathed Naruto back in the day. I mean, it literally split the anime community in two. Even normalfag weebs hated Naruto, because of how fucking gay it was, and how obnoxious its mentally ill fans were, and on /a/, it was unofficially banned back in the 2000s, with anons spamming any Naruto threads to death when they popped up.The fact that you can even discuss that faggot show on /a/ today with no one batting an eye goes to show how fucked up and gay /a/ has become, and how history is forgotten or outright erased because of faggot kids with their faggot nostalgia. For fuck's sake, admitting to liking Naruto back in the day, would even make other loser weebs look down on you. That said, One Piece is also pure shit. I mean, it's part of the Big Three faggot shows, but Naruto was undoubtedly the worst, and something most weebs tried to distance themselves from.Christ, you faggots disgust me. You made this place more reddit than reddit.
>>282932730Naruto is easier to like; practically anyone can like it on a superficial level, even I did as a kid. The character designs, the setting, even the power system, everything is made to have universal appeal. One Piece is more of a love it or hate it kind of work.
>>282936529>One Piece is a very ambitious manga and its politics are so relevant today it's insane.Are you autistic, or just retarded?You're spewing shit that's on the same level as the bronies who think death camps are only relatable if you photoshop ponies into them.
>>282936716>behold, my counter argument!>ponies
>>282932730Nostalgia. You watched Nart as your second anime and checked out One Piece way later because of less appealing artstyle.
>>282936683>16 year olds hate something that 12 year olds like because they're desperate to prove their maturity, in the process proving their immaturityI told myself and everyone else I hated Naruto back then too. Then I got older, realised I didn't care what people think of me, and allowed myself to like what I actually like.
>>282936529>its politics are so relevant today it's insanePeople in power do twisted shit. It's always been that way, will continue to be that way, and will always be relevant. This isn't some impressive statement from Oda
>>282935493This is a Fairy Tail argument, not a Naruto argument.
>>282932730>>282932776Because nowadays One Piece is worse written than Naruto.
>>282932730people shit on naruto a lot but at least that shit eventually concluded
>>282932730Apples and Oranges. You just happen to prefer one over the other, and that's ok.>which is whichNaruto is an apple setting with an orange protagonist, One Piece is an orange setting with an apple protagonist.
Lately One Piece has been written sloppier than Post Pain Naruto. It's hard for some OP fans to admit especially if they were former Naruto fans or Bleach fans. But that's the truth. One Piece should have ended in 2015 to 2020.
>>282935637Manga
Bleach is better than both of them
>>282936797It's funny to see that being said, because I watched Naruto long before One Piece, but I could never really get into it when I tried to take it seriously. I managed to finish part 1, but Shippuden was almost an immediate drop. With One Piece, on the other hand, I followed it week after week for more than 10 years and only gave up on it when Toei's bullshit became unbearable. Seriously, I've never seen a studio try to screw up a manga so persistently. It's as if they're determined to make One Piece the least enjoyable piece of media ever made.
>>282932730Naruto just has a more fantastical and comfy setting, even with the semi-feudal Japanese ninja wars. One Piece's setting and world isn't something people want to live in, you just get attached to the characters.
>>282932730I liked seeing Sasuke be the only character consistently getting shit done in part 2.
>>282937327>Naruto is an apple setting with an orange protagonist, One Piece is an orange setting with an apple protagonist.This doesn't come off as intelligent as you thought it did
>>282933095b-but dragon's always looking east!
>>282937496>Naruto just has a more fantastical and comfy settingComfier maybe, but more fantastical? Shit is just feudal Japan with magic, which is basically Wano, and Wano is one of the most ordinary places in One Piece.
>>282932730If you're talking about the anime the Naruto anime, at least pre timeskip had amazing music that really hyped shit up well
>>282932730>despite One Piece being significantly better written
>>282933819>had all the tailed beasts chakra under his control>still lost the fight>He's actually an equal to Narutolmao
>>282932730I have no idea what the fuck it is about this IP that consistently attracts the most mentally ill people imaginable, from the assmad shippers having hysterical meltdowns from many years ago to the literal shiteating pajeet retard who unironically thinks that he should be the lord master of all Naruto threads on 4chan, like this IP attracts way more genuine psychosis than every other shonen on the planet, why?
>>282938319Hi daily-gay-rabbit-warehouse-worker. I see you're seething over someone posting a chapter without your consent lol
>>282938319>absolutely malding over an extra chapter Lol. Lmao even
>>282938124I mean, it isIt's not a high bar but Naruto's writing is insanely bad past Land of Waves
tried juan piece but just couldn't get into, live action was fine thoughthanks to NARUTO i now enjoy ramen
>>282938446>thanks to NARUTO i now enjoy ramenNothing hits the spot quite like it
Naruto for all its faults did two things extremely well, fights and fight music. It has a great catalogue of great music than any other anime.
>>282938319>like this IP attracts way more genuine psychosis than every other shonen on the planetReally, it's a story that's way more hard-carried by aesthetic than anything else, and aesthetic is easily the most shallow form of actually liking something. If not for the visual designing shit would've bombed ultra-hard, I would say with full confidence that it has significantly worse writing than even Dragon Ball, Naruto has way more moments on par with shit like how Trunks's timeline really shouldn't have turned out the way it did.
>>282938319>retard who unironically thinks that he should be the lord master of all Naruto threads on 4chanBut enough about you, dailyretard
>>282938446only thing was searched local ramen places in my city and nothing looked good, but they told all ramen places have different menus because different provinces in japan have varying traditions. So yea, I have a go to ramen dish and am keen to try more
>>282938319You know, if we didn't have the shitty daily's, like everyone who has been here warned, Naruto would have silently died out with a few threads here and there. Too bad a warehouse IQ OP decided to ignore that and proceed with a daily nobody asked for all because One Piss had one.
>>282937431I would say naruto anime did better than one piece and that early one piece manga was better than naruto. Well in my opinion both timeskips were utter trash but at least Naruto is straightfoward and it's over. One Piece on the other hand is in a Samsara of Shit without end because Oda for obscure reasons think it's extremely necessary to make a new arc exactly the same as the previous ones and dump lots of new characters and plot points. And of course all the new characters will be relevant in the future when they get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters
>>282936819>People in power do twisted shit. It's always been that way, will continue to be that way, and will always be relevant. This isn't some impressive statement from OdaHe makes those people in power look like this though, and they literally live on a holy land. It's not possible to be more bold than this.
>>282932730One Piece's worldbuilding has always came across as moderately overrated but nowhere near as much of a retarded clusterfuck as Naruto's>>282938319It's because basically every character in this pic + Sasuke has something that's innately appealing for spastic self-inserters, earnestly it has the most self-insertable cast in all of anime but the problem is that self-inserting is fucking DUMB give that it's literal schizophrenia with more steps
>>282932730Because Naruto has better character writingNaruto's characters feel like charactersOne Piece characters are one-dimensional caricatures with no depth, even the ones with tragic backstories still act like caricatures.
>>282936529>(however, the writing around Oden is the most amateurish dogshit out of the three of them)Everything related to the homo relationship between Naruto and Sasuke is worse than anything Oda or Kubo have ever written. You have to put some effort to write shit this lame and gay.
>>282938688>One Piece's worldbuilding has always came across as moderately overrated but nowhere near as much of a retarded clusterfuck as Naruto'sif I turn my brain off the Chunin Exams is a fun arc but man does it make zero goddamn sense as an actual in-universe concept based on how it's presented
>>282938442>it islol
american voice actor for Naruto Uzumaki is just plain awesome
>>282932730BECAUSEONE ZERO SIX CENTIMETRES
Maybe the vibe of naruto was more to your taste. Especially the fact that the entire world felt unique, it was not overly goofy, the music was great, villains actually felt threatening, the dynamics between characters was also compelling, the show had multiple references to japanese folklore and otjer things, etc. One piece has great writing but Narutos vibe is different/more serious. Better writing doesnt always mean youll enjoy it more, its a mix of everything that draws you in. Also naruto is more storylike whereas one piece tends to have similar style arcs. As much as I love one piece, there will never be another show that had the vibe of naruto
op is just good at build up everything is trash i never been amazed by anything revealed in oproger the elders power up so many disappointmentsi think ppl just like op based on what they make op in thier head
>>282932730BECAUSESAH SOO KAYIS REALLY COOL
>>282938839I will never not seethe about Uchihax and all the bullshit they pulled out their asses. Konan deserved better.
because nobody in OP could even touch Madara Uchiha...
i hate pinkshit as do manyany character that in op that is universally hated?
>>282938711>Because Naruto has better character writingThis retard who has no backstory and whose power is shooting fucking ropes from his hands is more enjoyable than the vast majority of characters in Naruto.
>>282938136The actual fight was a tie. Sasuke only lost ideologically because he finally succumbed to battered housewife syndrome when he realized how persistent Naruto really is.
>>282934082bc db doesn't revolve around sucking bejita cock like naruto does to saucegay
Naruto is like the In-and-Out of manga, their burgers and fries are solid 8. OP is more like McDonald, hugely popular but the older it gets the worse it becomes even the burgers taste like rotten cardboard.
>>282939084It was a tie because Naruto held back and used a more or less vanilla rasengan.
>>282938896This looks so stupid now. Didn't age very well
>>282938711>not enough depressed emos!!!Law (AKA the most boring character in One Piece) is made for you.
>>282938728>roger literally got on his knees and begged WB to let Oden join his crew>army that stands against the current, corrupt political system is filled with queers>onsen scene shows a male larping as a female entering the same bath as actual female characters. Vice versa also happensNah, still gayer
>>282939251It's like 10 years old and still better choreography than anything one piece shit out
>>282938780It never feels like she's phoning it in. Always sounds raw and earnest.
Whenever I turn on One Piece, the most enjoyable parts of the story are when they get back on the boat and they interact with each other. If the most enjoyable part of your story is when the conflict is over, then your stories suck and are too ass. The only time it was remotely entertaining was either the early stuff or Dressrosa.In Naruto, a good chunk of the story happens within the same location and it feels like a home. It's comforting. Naruto was also pretty consistent from the beginning to the timeskip.
>>282932730>significantly better written
>Call Naruto a faggot>The only times Luffy can be aroused by a woman is when Usopp is around>The AAIIIE face when Ace dies>The awful beginning>Fights are Luffy doing the equivalent of Energy Beam spam like in Dragonball>The inferior music scoreNaruto mogs
For starters,Naruto has objectively the better characters and girls and the author doesn't turn them into gay clowns.If a character is cool he gets plenty of screen time instead of doing nothing for 300+ chapters
I never got into One Piece because of the goofy visuals. But I loved the aesthetic and setting of Naruto. It's just cool. I think Naruto is also a bit easier to relate with than Luffy. He was bad at school, played pranks on his teachers, falls behind Sasuke, etc. Children can connect to that.
>>282938883Konan-chan was a good girl, I would've have liked to see her take up the mantle of Amekage in earnest
>>282939984She gave three girls a promotion just to send them to their deaths.
maybe because the world feels real and draws you inall i want to know what is the one piece, they might never reveal it anywayits funny because i prefer pirates to ninja, but prefer Naruto
>>282940007she could not oppose Nagato.
>>282932730kill yourself narutard
>>282939720The choreography isn't the problem, it's the writing. While it's cool to see Madara styling on all the allied shinobi forces by himself, it's just a total waste of time. Someone logical like him would have known the futility of relying on taijutsu to deal with a massive army and opted to use large AoE fire ninjutsu or genjutsu the entire time.
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUnade
>>282940025>all i want to know what is the one piece, they might never reveal it anywayThis is another thing. It helps that Naruto has a defined endgame.
>>282940113This. I don't think Madara has business doing kung fu on that level like he's Might Guy or something.
>>282940113more than he was logical, he was prideful and liked having fun (him getting so turned on when Hashirama appears, only to throw a fit bc he's not important to him at that moment). so he came in, having been nearly dead and then dead for a decade plus, styled on some fodder, and then did exactly what you said he should do with meteor hax.he was logical but also an emotional child reborn in a limitless body. he wanted some fun before destroying the world
>>282932730naruto, especially part 1, has way higher highs
>>282940185Post her milk
>>282939204That implies that OP was never good and is a ZOG manga. Which is a non-sequitur.
>>282940314Enies Lobby is a higher high than anything in Naruto
>>282940399https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EMy_ZGAdU0
>>282932730how is it better written kekIt's always>bad guy exists on island>damesel in distress asks rufy for help>bad guy gets beaten up
>>282936529>politics are greatit's extremely basic if present at all and Naruto's Kage council arc mogs them. WG being comically evil isn't great politics, it just so happens to resemble reality. There is no complexity to how yonkou or gorosei is structured, and "random island have their own tyrants" doesn't change that either
>>282938996Let me guess, he/his hometown/family was made suffer by a villain and he wants to get revenge
>>282935457>Recent OP has got sakuga animation Not him but I would argue that even now it's not really that well animated.
>>282932730 I bet you can't even tell why you think One pIece is better witten. You just think that because it's the popular thing to think.
>>282938728 Imagine not knowing what fraternal love is.
>>282932730Naruto is edgier in a good way.Naruto is actually a really pessimistic series whereas OP is too optimistic for its own good. When OP gets dark it's like goofy creepy pasta dark and OP is full of one dimensional mustache twirling villains whereas most of Naruto's villains are actually smart and arguably right about everything.
>>282932730That's how I feel about bleach. I like all 3 of them but bleach just hits different even though one piece is objectively the best written one of the bunch
>>282932730Naruto hasn't dragged on for 20 years and Naruto's timeskip wasn't as bad as One Piece's is.
>>282932730>yet another retarded newfag doesn't understand concept of preferences
>>282932730OP isn't better written simply by the virtue of being a 1000+ fucking chapters long story. All the writing has been lost more than decade ago. By now it's a hubris of hundreds plot lines, most of which are of mediocre quality. Naruto has more cohesive, well rounded story where most things hit just right. It's absolutely better written than OP.
>>282933879Do you also have one for Enis Lobby vs Whole Cake?
>>282941544OP isn't well written but compared to the dumpster fire that is Naruto, it might as well be considered high litrature.
>>282941166actually no, he worked for a ship building company that was infiltrated by glowies. Takes him some time to realize what's going on and then helps Luffy and co to do what they were doing
>>282932730Despite the flaws Naruto is pretty much the streak of great moments and memorable characters throughout 700 chapters.It helps that Kishimoto's panelling and storytelling are exquisite. Its very nice to look at and easy to follow and it hits you right on time and in the eight way usually. OP is weirder and harder to follow.
>>282932730One Piece has dogshit pacing and is plagued with worse filler than Naruto of all fucking things
>>282941700the best thing about naruto filler is that you can skip most of it easily, while one piece just drags the scenes out
>>282940441off screen training power ups dont mog anything
>>282940047I'm pretty sure he didn't tell her to do that, she just decided to do it when they came back.
>>282942064he had lost a body and needed a new one. You think they had no discussion on how to do that? think they hadn't gone through that process before?
One Piece is just as poorly written as Naruto. You probably enjoyed it more because Naruto has some stakes and consequences to character actions while nobody ever dies in OP.
>>282932834You forgot Linkin Park In The End AMVs set to Naruto fighting Sasuke in the valley of the end
>>282939690Anon, Naruto has a fucking transformation that turns him into a woman for the sole purpose of seducing men. You can try as hard as you want, but One Piece will never be half as gay as Naruto.
>>282932730>despite One Piece being significantly better written?That's the thing, it isn't.Naruto is genuinely quite good throughout part 1 and it handled the escalation significantly better than One Piece until near the very end.The only issue is that it didn't end with Nagato and kept dragging on for many years afterwards and then it didn't end with Madara either, it just kept going.The parts that people like about Naruto are still quite good by WSJ standards.
>>282932730for me, it's the chakra system. yeah they break it a ton, but it always still comes back to that. in one piece, i never have the feeling of "measuring strength". any time rufy wins, it's because of a new move, a new transformation, and we almost never see him training. naruto is all about training and chakra, from the very beginning. it starts getting weird with sage form, but still good. and then it kinda drops with tailed beast mode, chakra becoming now apparently infinite. but he still runs out of chakra at the end, and him and sasuke end up having a fist fight.so its the "powers" side of thing, it's done much better and makes you curious of how they're going to push it. one piece is literally "i suddenly have new powers"
>>282936683You need to let go of the past.The people you are complaining about, they don't exist anymore. So with the distance of time, maybe now you can look at Naruto in a less emotional and more objective way. And objectively speaking, Naruto was immensely influential in WSJ, most modern Jump manga borrows heavily, heavily from Naruto. You can say that that's bad and that's fine, but you cannot deny the impact it hand.Also, the Narutards of old, they're still better than what we are dealing with today on this board. Believe it.
>>282942300>You can say that that's bad and that's fine, but you cannot deny the impact it hand.>Also, the Narutards of old, they're still better than what we are dealing with today on this board. Believe it.These two things are connected
>>282942219
>>282942449You are illitereate.
>>282942535Naruto's zestiness was leaking out into his shadow clone.
>>282942449No, they are not, because they are statements on fundamentally different things. The former refers to the influence Naruto has had on new shounen manga being made, while the latter refers to the normalfaggots and crunchyroll casuals.
>>282942876it was supposed to be the 'feminine side' he taps into for the sexy jutsu. I found it amusing how it resulted in a female VA who is voicing a man trying to sound like a woman.
>>282942911If you can't see it, you're part of the problem.
>>282939897Naruto has the ability to turn into a woman btw
>>282942934I don't think that Jujutsu Kaisen lifting narrative ideas from Naruto is the reason for MALtards and schizos, but feel free to believe whatever you want.
>narutards jealous they didn’t get a good finale and boruto is trash
>>282932776One Piece is too old for this. More like the Spongebob of anime.Rick & Morty would be something like One Punch Man, for some reason it seems to satisfy the same type of audience.
>>282942300Actually most of them borrow from Bleach.
>>282934082With all this sasuke glazing I have no idea why the manga is even called naruto. What's the point of naming it after a guy who's not even stronger/better/cooler than some edgy fuckboy and gets regularly fucked by said fuckboy. He can't do shit without him in the end, he can't beat him in a fight, he didn't get the girl. Calling it "naruto" without making Naruto the actual mc is so gay.
>>282940007Tsunade promoted Shikamaru to chunin and sent him on an S rank to his death (he was 100% screwed and was going to die in his fight)Ajisai might have been sent on a mission that was difficult but doable but she fucked up and Konan made the best of it.
>>282943035>Tayuya missed out on a prime husband candidateher loss
>>282939897>Naruto has objectively the better characters and girls>If a character is cool he gets plenty of screen time instead of doing nothing for 300+ chaptersThe lack of self-awareness in this post is overwhelming, One Piece haters are something else.
>>282943066Died before ever getting a boyfriend, Kishimoto really hates women to a degree that I kind of respect it.
>>282943087I could have saved her
>>282942978it's both, reallyNobody borrows from One Piece though.
>>282943087Tayuya got off easy.
>>282943115>what is Gash Bell?>what is Fairy Tail?Damn, even shit like Black Clover has some of the One Piece spirit in it. I don't know why you fags love to be so biased about this series. I get it, you don't like it, but I don't see why you have to be so petty.
>>282943128Not as bad as her...
>>282932730>one piece>better writtenlmao
>>282943291Alive but forever alone?
>>282943373Slowly wasting away, lamenting how her IT dream will never become reality
>>282943446In Kishimotos view that probably is worse for a woman than being tortured and humiliated for days, then killed.
>>282943446>has an eligible bachelor in her employ and by her side 24/7>never considers himher own fault
Chojuro or Suigetsu could've fixed her
They hated her because she was realistic...
>>282943555I hate her because she's the only girl allowed in any marketing these days
>>282932730Dislike of flashbacks?
Sakura simply lacks certain traits that are required in classice beloved characters
>>282943219>equally popular as the most popular series>while having an unusual aesthetic and a tone/essense unique to itselfIt's easy to understand. People hate things that are different, especially the most autistic weebs who try to burn anything that doesn't fit their idea of “anime.”
>>282932730I enjoy them both. 2000s Shonen was built different
>>282933240It can not be overstated how much Naruto shit itself as hard as it did upset me
>>282943077Is he wrong though? Oda doesn't even pay attention to the main characters anymore, they always get sidelined for the local islander who won't ever do anything useful. Just look at the strawhats:>ZoroHasn't had a meaningful character moment since Thriller Bark. It's just been aura farming ever since. Wano should have been his arc but he didn't get anything. He actually fell behind Luffy instead and bottled it at the end of the arc. And then there was the Money etc which was character regression>SanjiHad his moments in WCI, I'll give Oda that one. Other than that he's been flanderised and is now a perverted pedo whereas he was more of a gentleman before>NamiOnly good for fanservice, that's all>UsoppThis nigga got almost no development and stayed a coward for 1000 chapters because 'Elbaf is meant to be where he becomes a man'. Now we're at Elbaf and Robin stole the spotlight. Hasn't done anything worth mentioning since thriller bark. The whole dressrosa thing was a shitty gag and a waste of time, and him gaining haki was an asspull>ChopperSomehow more useless than Usopp>FrankyEgghead shouldn't been his arc and he did absolutely nothing>BrookThis guy hasn't done shit since he joined>JinbeHe had his moments in FI and WCI I guess. His interactions with other crewmembers has been very minimal though>girlsOne piece girls are weak as shit. Hancock and big mom are the only ones who are somewhat competent, and even then Hancock jobbed offscreen to BB while big mom jobbed to law and kid
>>282943555Has anyone here actually met a person as unpleasant as a Naruto character? It's why nobody can tell me that the writing is good, because they're all extremely terrible people in a way that borders on pure caricature
>>282944685How are they terrible?
>>282943555I hate her because she's dogshit
>>282939147Yeah you're right. Instead it makes him look like a pathetic loser instead>jobs horrifically to Freeza, goes and crying like a bitch begging Goku to avenge his people>bums off a woman>jobs in another timeline>gets beaten up and humiliated by a woman>trains hard for a year>lets Cell get stronger for no reason then jobs again>fights sperm cells while a child battles the main antagonist>trains for several years>lets bad guy control him because he wants more strength, has no confidence in his own strength>betrays everyone to fight goku one more time, still can't beat him>blows himself up like a bitch>turns out goku wasn't even going all out>comes back and does a 'fusion dance' with another man (gay)>jobsHe might have been less pathetic if db sucked him off a bit more
>>282932730>One Piece being significantly better writtenIs this true?
>>282932730I enjoyed Naruto cause it looked cooler and had fun games and is mostly pretty simple. I got filtered by One Pieces art, too.
>>282943002Sasuke is the deuteragonist. Don't you know what that means? Naruto still got more screentime and attention. Besides, catching up to Sasuke is one of Naruto's goals. He catches up to him in the end, which shows his development. He doesn't regularly get fucked by him, he stands on his own feet throughout. In fact the whole reason Sasuke left the village was because Naruto was catching up to him and that made him feel like he wasn't improving fast enough. His next fight against Naruto was also the reason he took Itachi's sharingan, because he knew he couldn't beat Naruto without it
>>282944685What’s funny is that Team 7 in general is easily the worst part of their own story, the side characters are likable in spite of being side characters, but the main characters (usually) skirt being disliked just because the leading role gives them an undeserved shield
>>282940007>filler>>282940260This>>282940441>gears, asura, diable jambe and monster point asspulls>muh boat with a soul>usopp being a pathetic loser>sanji being a simp
>>282932730I don't know, you like ninjas over pirates.Or you just have bad taste.
>>282941576No. Didn't notice that one desu. If anything I would have said Wano was closer to Enies Lobby>>282942219>likes women>knows that women are a man's weakness so exploits it>marries a big titty wifeMeanwhile>the sexiest woman in the world likes luffy>he sees her naked>she begs him to marry her>he has two sexy women on his crew that are half naked constantly>meet big titted, scantily clothed sluts on every island that start fawning over him within a day>only gets aroused around UsoppSounds gay to me
Dailyramen? Mein hero.
>>282944626>>Brook>This guy hasn't done shit since he joinedThis is why you fags can't be taken seriously. You just say the most stupid and retarded shit that can only sound convincing to someone who has never read One Piece and you think you've said something meaningful, is just laughable.
>>282944937Luffy has shown interest in Nami's body more than once, he just doesn't care about getting married or being in a romantic relationship. Naruto became obsessed with the man who gave him his first kiss even though he tried to kill him and transforms into a naked woman to get men hard, nigga might be the gayest MC in battle shonen history.
>>282945367Nta but he was grossed out by that. And he ends up marring a tradwife. Luffy doesn't strike me as the super horny type.
>>282945367I think that's just Oda being inconsistent.
>>282944937>marries a big titty wifeYou mean the wife he leaves alone all day and night while he's locked up in an office doing work that someone else or even a shadow clone could do?
>>282945542Not canon. And even then, that's only when he became Hokage.
>>282944803even team 7 is ok on their own, when they aren't interacting with each other
>>282932730Better fights, anime, music, games, and art.
>>282945448>Luffy doesn't strike me as the super horny typeHe isn't, but he's not completely oblivious to a woman's body either.>>282945478About what? Are you really taking that SBS joke answer seriously?
>>282945448>he ends up marring a tradwifeA beard*Naruto does not have any interest in Hinata and objectively prefers Sasuke.
>>282945664Well, until he impregnates a girl or something, I'll just say he doesn't care too much for that stuff.
>>282945747If he didn't, he wouldn't have married her or started a family. Stop projecting your gross fanfic nigger.
>>282945588That's part of gaiden and the movie
>>282943555>le realistic SakuraNo one has ever actually met a woman like Sakura in their lives. She's not "realistic" outside of the lens of deluded /r9k/cels.
>>282945810The movie isn't canon. And it's not mentioned in Gaiden.
>>282943555>such a cunt that even her seiyuu said she didn't like her
>>282945816Nobody has ever actually met a woman like [insert anime character] in their lives. She's not realistic outside the lens of [insert personal vendetta]
>>282945783>If he didn't, he wouldn't have married her or started a familyHave you never even heard of a beard? There are a lot of gay men with that exact story because they want to keep up appearances. Naruto has no sexual interest in Hinata and willingly ditches everything to go to Sasuke at a moments notice, Sasuke does the same as he abandoned his own family for a decade and yet is still willing to go to Naruto at any instant it's required by the plot.
Unironically if someone actually met a girl as bad as Sakura I would’ve expected some kind of storytime of that incident, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen here
>>282944750Hasn't been true since Dressrosa.
>>282945827Both chapter 700 and gaiden hint at Naruto being an absent father.
>>282945628Kakashi and Naruto are fine together.
>>282945892I'm not deluded enough to give you a genuine response. God, I hate mutts.>>282945926Chapter 700 resolves Borutos issue with his dad. The film has it due to Kishi inserting his own experiences as a father. Gaiden also doesn't outright have it.
>>282945920>DressrosaWhat's the consensus on this
>>282945954https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_(companion)I'm sorry you're such a zoomer you can't comprehend what is happening. Naruto and Sasuke can't be straight because they don't have any interest in their wives and prioritize men every single time without fail.
>>282945926>absent fatherNo? Absent father means he never shows up and talks with you.Naruto did that much. Like how spoiled are you anon?
>>282945827Boruto movie?Then the movie where Nart ends up with Hinata is also a fanfinction. I mean, it really is.
>>282945992Holy projection faggot
>>282945980Last arc where all the Mugiwaras were useful.
>>282946020That movie is canon. The Boruto movie was replaced by the Boruto manga that wasn't ever canon. Also no its him going through his memories.
>>282946049It literally contradicts canon events to prop up Naruhina.
>>282946067Naruhina already happened in the manga by the time the movie was released. Kishi had Pierrot change the film multiple times until he was satisfied, too.
>>282946092I don't know about the chronology, but Naruhina is only canon in the tiny little bonus chapter where they go on a shitty date and Nardo forgets his wallet.>Kishi had Pierrot change the film multiple times until he was satisfied, too.Doubt. He never cared about the shipping, and like I said, that movie literally makes shit up and ignores canon characterization to make the ship canon.
>>282946175>chapter 700 release date: 24 November 2014>the last release date: 6 December 2014>Doubthttps://youtu.be/EW4Okgni9us0.09 seconds He only cared about the endpoint. Not the road to that point. You sound like a certain shipper.....
>>282941421Even though One Piece's TS was a huge drop in quality, Narutos TS is arguably much worse. OP managed to find its footing again in Whole Cake Island, and everything since has been enjoyable to varying degrees. Naruto TS just got progressively worse and worse until the only real enjoyment came from making fun of how bad it was. OP hasn't finished yet, so maybe things can go south, but considering Oda had planned the ending a long time ago, there's less a chance of it going off the rails like Naruto did.
>>282943835Even at 13 when I started getting serious I stopped thinking all anime looked the same. Heck I think everyone starts realizing that.
>>282946368OP lost it's footing again with Wano and didn't find it until Elbaph.
>>282946347So? Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700. The only thing Kishi made for the ship is that 2 page bonus comic about their crappy date, apparently released in the movie's guiebook. So it's not even official manga content. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but I don't care enough to click on that video. You sound like a schizo.
>>282946614>Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700What? They've got two kids in that. How is it not canon? >I don't care enough to click on that videoIt's Kishimoto himself saying he got them to change stuff until he was happy with it. You lost 10+ years ago dumbass.
>>282946693You lost 10+ years agoby watching this crap.
>>282945954>Chapter 700 resolves Borutos issue with his dad. It doesn't?>>282945995I meant absent in the way the movie portrays him.
>>282946721I accept your concession. Your anus hasn't recovered kek>>282946731It does. He sits him down for a chat, and he's not mad or upset anymore after it. It's pretty quick.
>>282946614>Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700.Explain Himawari existing there.
>>282945936They didn't even interact that much as the other Naruto trained under.
>>282946769>and he's not mad or upset anymore after it.You really think that would be it??? Lmao.Not only is that not how children work, but Gaiden straight up has Boruto still resenting Naruto, so no, the issues weren't resolved.
I feel like One Piece will have an innately better ending than Naruto as long as it’s lasting legacy is not being shipfaggotry like the latter (insert pirate ship joke here)
>>282946838The one whose lasting legacy is butthurt shippers is unironically Bleach. At least I still see people talking about the Akatsuki, Itachi and Pain here.
>>282946812>You really think that would be itIt was it in that chapter. As their was no indication of anything else. Gaiden is also a sequel mini series and thus isn't canon.
>>282946769Anon, just because Naruto got his son to calm down and behave at that moment doesn't he completely forgave his father for everything.
>>282946770I mixed up chapter 699 with 700. I still don't know how that proves anything. Yes, Kishi shat out a ton of crackships to prepare ground for the spinoff. The Naruhina movie is still an ooc fanfiction, and I doubt Kishi gives two shits about the ship.
>>282932776Nah that's monogatari
>>282946905>Gaiden is also a sequel mini series and thus isn't canon.Written by the original author, which means from Kishi's perspective their issues weren't resolved there.Also, if that was all it took then Boruto would never have those daddy issues in the first place.
>>282946933It was just a parallel from chapter 1 Naruto, who was also painting all over the monument. Post ending is when they added the hatred thing. Kishi said he did it because he experienced similar stuff irl.
>>282946987You are NOT comparing the arc chapter 1 Naruto had to go through with the pep talk Boruto got in 700.
Isnt the Boruto anime supposed to be coming back real soon?
>>282946981Boruto only has those issues because kishi self inserted what he was going through at the time.>>282947028I am as kishi is known to parallel stuff constantly. Pretty sure even the chapter names are the same too.
>>282946987>Post ending is when they added the hatred thingBoruto literally talks about Naruto being absent in chapter 700.It was always there, people just didn't think much about it because it didn't take center stage.
>>282947057>Boruto only has those issues because kishi self inserted what he was going through at the timeAnd those issues existed since his debut, post ending material didn't create them.
>>282947053With the way nuPierrot is operating,Bleach > BC > Boruto
>>282932730Naruto's an edgier story than One Piece and that's what sells it for a lot of readers. As an easy example Naruto kills a crazy amount of its villains over the story, even smaller villains who might not be as evil get spared they must die. Even most of the cute ones who would make it out in other manga like Kanon just die. One Piece has its villains get beat up, shake their fist at the Straw Hats, and linger on as a loser relegated to background appearances for the rest of the series. If you like the edge Naruto has One Piece beat even if Naruto is a complete hot mess of a story.
>>282947062He's not an absent father. Absenr fathers don't live with the kids, etc. He even tells him i can't hang out now, meaning he did prior to taking office.>>282947105Post ending made them way more hostile. In 700, even after he's caught, he doesn't lash out.
>>282947171You realize that's the case because him Missing hima's bday was portrayed as the last straw, right?
>>282947242That was in the movie that wasn't canon. And it's entirely out of character anyway. So it's irrelevant.
Also he was lashing out before that scene happened.
>>282947265It's entirely in character because Himawari wasn't literally him enough.
>>282947349No but kek
>>282947296It was on the level of him pointing the kage Rocks beforehand.
>>282947369No, it wasn't. He literally called the previous era shit near the start of the movie. He was outright hostile in that entire scene. He was nothing like that in 700.
People will make every excuse in the book for Naruto ignoring his would-be wife's confession for 2 years straight but will curl up and cry over Naruto Missing a few birthdays and being slightly shat on for it.
>>282947447>He literally called the previous era shitHe was right
>>282947447Boruto bad mouth and disgraced the previous hokages in chapter 700.
>>282947502He was wrong. And should watch his mouth!>>282947471I don't like how that happened, either. That dynamic was better in part 1.>>282947538He painted childish words on them. In the movie, he's super hostile.
We need Naruto One Piece crossover of some kind. Bamco keeps fucking those up
>>282932730>One Piece being significantly better written?Nice bait, faggot.Define better written? Story not having an asspulls or plot holes? Characters arc being well done from start to finish? Characters being extremely memorable and standing out in terms of personality and dialogues/monologues?Story being interesting and gripping your attention all the time?Plot twists being great?Story flowing just right with the great pacing?Story being well rounded and finished properly?I am positive that in most of these things Naruto is objectively better than OP, so yeah, you are full of shit.
>>282932730It's not better written tho. Naruto, with 700 chapters, did what One Piece wishes it did with 1300+
>>282932730I think Naruto has a more interesting setting and concept than One Piece but something is very clearly "off" with the way it conveys a story when literal millions of people got gaslit into thinking it has themes that never actually existed, you would swear that Lee was the main character who trounced the greatest people in the world through sheer effort based on what the fandom says rather than what actually happens (he constantly gets folded like a chair as a prime jobber)
>>282945664Why does Nami dress like a slut?
