>>282932730
Because One Piece is the Rick & Morty of anime.

>>282932776
that would be FMA

>>282932730
Because you grew up in the 2000s listening to Monster by Skillet AMVs. Possibly Animal by Three Days Grace too. Also Bodies by Drowning Pool.

>>282932730
Because like 99.9% of all anime fans you neither know what "good writing" is nor do you possess the intellectual capacity to understand let alone articulate it. So you've deluded yourself into believing that Warm Piss is well written cause its midwit fanbase screeches about how it is all the time (it isn't). You don't even think it is yourself. You merely parrot their narrative.

>>282932949
But Naruto is also poorly written and I enjoy that

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dad isues
Minato>Dragon

>>282932730
Because early Naruto was actually good at one point despite the board being tsundere for it. Like a marathoner who had a great start but fell flat halfway before reaching the goal.

>>282932730
One Piece is ugly as shit to look at, and the characters are less relatable on an emotional level

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>>282932730
>when some rank hussy makes moves on YOUR little boy

>>282932730
Because Naruto is well animated when it needs to be while One piece is never well animated.

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>>282932730
naruto's setting is more interesting even if the writing doesn't live up to its potential. It's something that could greatly benefit from stuff like altverse vidya or what if spinoffs. It's a lot worse on revisits too, much more than one piece just due to how poorly thought out a lot of stuff is

Naruto (not shippuden) is somewhat interesting

Because Naruto isn't all shit even if the plot is messy. Sasuke is one of the best rival characters out there and the setting is neat. The art is also generally better.

>>282933710
>Sasuke is one of the best rival characters out there

Because Nardo has Guy-sensei.

>>282933752
He's actually an equal to Naruto, so yeah.

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>despite One Piece being significantly better written
That hasn't been true for a long time:
>more asspulls than naruto with gear 3rd, asura, diable jambe, monster point, muh healing hormones, haki, nika, gear fifth
>characters becoming flanderised
>reusing the same plot every other island
>fights are incomparably worse, it's just a few punches and happen offscreen. Completely neglected in favour of progressing the story. On the other hand, Naruto uses the fights to push the story forward and display character development
>wano created significant plotholes
>themes in naruto are tested through the villains, with pain and madara challenging the heroes' beliefs. Meanwhile luffy's ideals are never tested and the bad guys are just comically evil
>story lost all tension after 'just laugh harder lmao'
>one piece has double the chapters but is only half as concise
>one piece treats the reader like a retard and spoonfeeds everything. Not like naruto is subtle either but still

>>282933527
It's perfect for an MMORPG. Imagine, you pick a village and a clan from that village, then get a chakra nature at random. You and a squad of other players go out to do missions and sometimes encounter other players from other villages who have a mission to stop you.

>>282933752
Nta but it's true. Sasuke was a serious goal for Naruto and both pushed the other to get stronger.

It helps that Sasuke was the deuteragonist as well. He never orbited around naruto and never needed to be rescued. He carved out his own path, one totally seperate from the main character. He never orbited around him and seemed to have his own agency throughout. The narrative was that sasuke was lost and needed help, but he overcame everyone that wanted to manipulate him. When they do actually interact in shippuden, it's exciting because the two main characters are finally together. And having their paths and ideologies clash at the very end after all that buildup was great.

I can't remember how it was in the manga, but the anime versions of their fights were phenomenal. Especially their final battle. I know pierrot got a lot of shit back in the day but they absolutely killed it with that final battle. Still one of my favourite anime fights of all time, if not my favourite

Meanwhile you have other rivals like Vegeta and Kaiba who are losers always chasing after the mc. They're cool characters, don't get me wrong. But they never feel like a serious threat to the mc. Kaiba had his moment in battle city but that's it, while Vegeta was stronger at their first meeting. Hell, I thought Kaito, Reiji and Revolver were better rivals so Kaiba wasn't even the best rival in yugioh

>>282934082
Vegeta beat Goku 3 times

>>282934421
...in his dreams

>>282932730
because something being good doesn't mean it's enjoyable.
one piece is enjoyable if you have followed the +1000 chapters, but not everyone has time to remember every piece of lore. same reason why kimetsu no yaiba is so popular right now. do you need to know every character and story beat to watch the new movie? not really. is it well written? for what it is, yes. is it good? it's very average for the genre. is it enjoyable? yes, for all the listed reasons.
it's also why shit like warhammer or comic books are hard to enjoy without being familiar with a fuckton of media.
naruto is simple, to the point, self contained and you really don't need to know much to pick it up at any point. you don't read naruto or one piece because you want a good story, you just want to watch cool fights and nice powers being thrown around, if you want a nuanced story or deep themes you either pick a book or read manga that isn't aimed at literal children

>>282932730
Naruto has the superior aesthetic, ost and emotional weight.

>>282932730
You'e a retarded person who watched naruto as a kid.

>>282932730
One Piece is not better written. It’s a repeating template of pirates going to a island fucked over by the bad guy they fight, with Luffy taking on the main baddie and Zoro fighting another swordfag or #2 bad guy. Rinse and repeat, through in some lore here and there and you got yourself Sunk Cost: The Manga. Here’s where and why One Piece failed for so long in comparison to its contemporary. The beginning of Naruto is so much better than One Piece. East Blue is a poor starting point, and the animation is inferior to Naruto’s. The character design, backgrounds, setting, music, opening, and fight choreography are also a good bit worse. Early One Piece is pretty glacial to take off, and is slower than Black Clover’s start. Naruto’s timeskip series Shippuden basically starts before they beat CP9.

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>>282933710
>rivalry
Funny how Naruto is a rorschach test on what the central characters are to the audience and each other.

>>282932730
One Piece isn't significantly better written.

>>282933454
Recent OP has got sakuga animation now but they cared way too late. Maybe that's why they're doing an anime reboot by studio WIT

>>282932730
>how come I enjoy junk food better despite real food being healthier?

>>282935493
>food analogy

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>better written

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>>282932730
you mean manga or anime?

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>>282935588
indeed

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>>282932730
>despite One Piece being significantly better written?

>>282934574
...called Dragon Ball

>>282934574
Gokubro btw

>>282932730
not my problem

>>282932730
One Piece is a very ambitious manga and its politics are so relevant today it's insane. It also goes full retard less often than Naruto and Bleach (however, the writing around Oden is the most amateurish dogshit out of the three of them). That's where the praises end though. The abysmal pacing and arcs following very similar beats holds it back. It's very weird, it's like One Piece is simultaneously impressive and unimpressive, there's a catch to everything. The politics are great, but Luffy doesn't give a shit about any of it. Factions always moving in the background is great, but the Strawhats themselves rarely do anything interesting. Honestly a lot of problems go back to the Strawhats just being shit.

>>282932730
because one piss is actually horrible

>>282932730
You're probably a faggot, but that goes for most of nu-/a/. I mean, Naruto is basically the Steven Universe of anime. It's fucking absurd how people have forgotten just how much people loathed Naruto back in the day. I mean, it literally split the anime community in two. Even normalfag weebs hated Naruto, because of how fucking gay it was, and how obnoxious its mentally ill fans were, and on /a/, it was unofficially banned back in the 2000s, with anons spamming any Naruto threads to death when they popped up.
The fact that you can even discuss that faggot show on /a/ today with no one batting an eye goes to show how fucked up and gay /a/ has become, and how history is forgotten or outright erased because of faggot kids with their faggot nostalgia. For fuck's sake, admitting to liking Naruto back in the day, would even make other loser weebs look down on you. That said, One Piece is also pure shit. I mean, it's part of the Big Three faggot shows, but Naruto was undoubtedly the worst, and something most weebs tried to distance themselves from.
Christ, you faggots disgust me. You made this place more reddit than reddit.

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>>282932730
Naruto is easier to like; practically anyone can like it on a superficial level, even I did as a kid. The character designs, the setting, even the power system, everything is made to have universal appeal. One Piece is more of a love it or hate it kind of work.

>>282936529
>One Piece is a very ambitious manga and its politics are so relevant today it's insane.
Are you autistic, or just retarded?
You're spewing shit that's on the same level as the bronies who think death camps are only relatable if you photoshop ponies into them.

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>>282936716
>behold, my counter argument!
>ponies

>>282932730
Nostalgia. You watched Nart as your second anime and checked out One Piece way later because of less appealing artstyle.

>>282936683
>16 year olds hate something that 12 year olds like because they're desperate to prove their maturity, in the process proving their immaturity
I told myself and everyone else I hated Naruto back then too. Then I got older, realised I didn't care what people think of me, and allowed myself to like what I actually like.

>>282936529
>its politics are so relevant today it's insane
People in power do twisted shit. It's always been that way, will continue to be that way, and will always be relevant. This isn't some impressive statement from Oda

>>282935493
This is a Fairy Tail argument, not a Naruto argument.

>>282932730
>>282932776
Because nowadays One Piece is worse written than Naruto.

>>282932730
people shit on naruto a lot but at least that shit eventually concluded

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>>282932730
Apples and Oranges. You just happen to prefer one over the other, and that's ok.
>which is which
Naruto is an apple setting with an orange protagonist, One Piece is an orange setting with an apple protagonist.

Lately One Piece has been written sloppier than Post Pain Naruto. It's hard for some OP fans to admit especially if they were former Naruto fans or Bleach fans. But that's the truth. One Piece should have ended in 2015 to 2020.

>>282935637
Manga

Bleach is better than both of them

>>282936797
It's funny to see that being said, because I watched Naruto long before One Piece, but I could never really get into it when I tried to take it seriously. I managed to finish part 1, but Shippuden was almost an immediate drop. With One Piece, on the other hand, I followed it week after week for more than 10 years and only gave up on it when Toei's bullshit became unbearable. Seriously, I've never seen a studio try to screw up a manga so persistently. It's as if they're determined to make One Piece the least enjoyable piece of media ever made.

>>282932730
Naruto just has a more fantastical and comfy setting, even with the semi-feudal Japanese ninja wars. One Piece's setting and world isn't something people want to live in, you just get attached to the characters.

>>282932730
I liked seeing Sasuke be the only character consistently getting shit done in part 2.

>>282937327
>Naruto is an apple setting with an orange protagonist, One Piece is an orange setting with an apple protagonist.
This doesn't come off as intelligent as you thought it did

>>282933095
b-but dragon's always looking east!

>>282937496
>Naruto just has a more fantastical and comfy setting
Comfier maybe, but more fantastical? Shit is just feudal Japan with magic, which is basically Wano, and Wano is one of the most ordinary places in One Piece.

>>282932730
If you're talking about the anime the Naruto anime, at least pre timeskip had amazing music that really hyped shit up well

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>>282932730
>despite One Piece being significantly better written

>>282933819
>had all the tailed beasts chakra under his control
>still lost the fight
>He's actually an equal to Naruto
lmao

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>>282932730
I have no idea what the fuck it is about this IP that consistently attracts the most mentally ill people imaginable, from the assmad shippers having hysterical meltdowns from many years ago to the literal shiteating pajeet retard who unironically thinks that he should be the lord master of all Naruto threads on 4chan, like this IP attracts way more genuine psychosis than every other shonen on the planet, why?

>>282938319
>absolutely malding over an extra chapter
Lol. Lmao even

>>282938124
I mean, it is
It's not a high bar but Naruto's writing is insanely bad past Land of Waves

tried juan piece but just couldn't get into, live action was fine though
thanks to NARUTO i now enjoy ramen

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>>282938446
>thanks to NARUTO i now enjoy ramen
Nothing hits the spot quite like it

Naruto for all its faults did two things extremely well, fights and fight music. It has a great catalogue of great music than any other anime.

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>>282938319
>like this IP attracts way more genuine psychosis than every other shonen on the planet
Really, it's a story that's way more hard-carried by aesthetic than anything else, and aesthetic is easily the most shallow form of actually liking something. If not for the visual designing shit would've bombed ultra-hard, I would say with full confidence that it has significantly worse writing than even Dragon Ball, Naruto has way more moments on par with shit like how Trunks's timeline really shouldn't have turned out the way it did.

>>282938319
>retard who unironically thinks that he should be the lord master of all Naruto threads on 4chan
But enough about you, dailyretard

>>282938446
only thing was searched local ramen places in my city and nothing looked good, but they told all ramen places have different menus because different provinces in japan have varying traditions. So yea, I have a go to ramen dish and am keen to try more

>>282938319
You know, if we didn't have the shitty daily's, like everyone who has been here warned, Naruto would have silently died out with a few threads here and there. Too bad a warehouse IQ OP decided to ignore that and proceed with a daily nobody asked for all because One Piss had one.

>>282937431
I would say naruto anime did better than one piece and that early one piece manga was better than naruto.
Well in my opinion both timeskips were utter trash but at least Naruto is straightfoward and it's over. One Piece on the other hand is in a Samsara of Shit without end because Oda for obscure reasons think it's extremely necessary to make a new arc exactly the same as the previous ones and dump lots of new characters and plot points. And of course all the new characters will be relevant in the future when they get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters that will also get their own arc that will be the same as every arc in one piece with lots of retcons and plot points and new characters

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>>282936819
>People in power do twisted shit. It's always been that way, will continue to be that way, and will always be relevant. This isn't some impressive statement from Oda
He makes those people in power look like this though, and they literally live on a holy land. It's not possible to be more bold than this.

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>>282932730
One Piece's worldbuilding has always came across as moderately overrated but nowhere near as much of a retarded clusterfuck as Naruto's
>>282938319
It's because basically every character in this pic + Sasuke has something that's innately appealing for spastic self-inserters, earnestly it has the most self-insertable cast in all of anime but the problem is that self-inserting is fucking DUMB give that it's literal schizophrenia with more steps

>>282932730
Because Naruto has better character writing
Naruto's characters feel like characters
One Piece characters are one-dimensional caricatures with no depth, even the ones with tragic backstories still act like caricatures.

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>>282936529
>(however, the writing around Oden is the most amateurish dogshit out of the three of them)
Everything related to the homo relationship between Naruto and Sasuke is worse than anything Oda or Kubo have ever written. You have to put some effort to write shit this lame and gay.

>>282938688
>One Piece's worldbuilding has always came across as moderately overrated but nowhere near as much of a retarded clusterfuck as Naruto's
if I turn my brain off the Chunin Exams is a fun arc but man does it make zero goddamn sense as an actual in-universe concept based on how it's presented

>>282938442
>it is
lol

american voice actor for Naruto Uzumaki is just plain awesome

>>282932730
BECAUSE

ONE ZERO SIX CENTIMETRES

Maybe the vibe of naruto was more to your taste. Especially the fact that the entire world felt unique, it was not overly goofy, the music was great, villains actually felt threatening, the dynamics between characters was also compelling, the show had multiple references to japanese folklore and otjer things, etc. One piece has great writing but Narutos vibe is different/more serious. Better writing doesnt always mean youll enjoy it more, its a mix of everything that draws you in. Also naruto is more storylike whereas one piece tends to have similar style arcs. As much as I love one piece, there will never be another show that had the vibe of naruto

op is just good at build up
everything is trash i never been amazed by anything revealed in op
roger the elders power up so many disappointments
i think ppl just like op based on what they make op in thier head

>>282932730
BECAUSE

SAH SOO KAY

IS REALLY COOL

>>282938839
I will never not seethe about Uchihax and all the bullshit they pulled out their asses. Konan deserved better.

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because nobody in OP could even touch Madara Uchiha...

i hate pinkshit as do many
any character that in op that is universally hated?

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>>282938711
>Because Naruto has better character writing
This retard who has no backstory and whose power is shooting fucking ropes from his hands is more enjoyable than the vast majority of characters in Naruto.

>>282938136
The actual fight was a tie. Sasuke only lost ideologically because he finally succumbed to battered housewife syndrome when he realized how persistent Naruto really is.

>>282934082
bc db doesn't revolve around sucking bejita cock like naruto does to saucegay

Naruto is like the In-and-Out of manga, their burgers and fries are solid 8.
OP is more like McDonald, hugely popular but the older it gets the worse it becomes even the burgers taste like rotten cardboard.

>>282939084
It was a tie because Naruto held back and used a more or less vanilla rasengan.

>>282938896
This looks so stupid now. Didn't age very well

>>282938711
>not enough depressed emos!!!
Law (AKA the most boring character in One Piece) is made for you.

>>282938728
>roger literally got on his knees and begged WB to let Oden join his crew
>army that stands against the current, corrupt political system is filled with queers
>onsen scene shows a male larping as a female entering the same bath as actual female characters. Vice versa also happens
Nah, still gayer

>>282939251
It's like 10 years old and still better choreography than anything one piece shit out

>>282938780
It never feels like she's phoning it in. Always sounds raw and earnest.

Whenever I turn on One Piece, the most enjoyable parts of the story are when they get back on the boat and they interact with each other. If the most enjoyable part of your story is when the conflict is over, then your stories suck and are too ass. The only time it was remotely entertaining was either the early stuff or Dressrosa.
In Naruto, a good chunk of the story happens within the same location and it feels like a home. It's comforting. Naruto was also pretty consistent from the beginning to the timeskip.

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>>282932730
>significantly better written

>Call Naruto a faggot
>The only times Luffy can be aroused by a woman is when Usopp is around
>The AAIIIE face when Ace dies
>The awful beginning
>Fights are Luffy doing the equivalent of Energy Beam spam like in Dragonball
>The inferior music score
Naruto mogs

For starters,Naruto has objectively the better characters and girls and the author doesn't turn them into gay clowns.If a character is cool he gets plenty of screen time instead of doing nothing for 300+ chapters

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I never got into One Piece because of the goofy visuals. But I loved the aesthetic and setting of Naruto. It's just cool.

I think Naruto is also a bit easier to relate with than Luffy. He was bad at school, played pranks on his teachers, falls behind Sasuke, etc. Children can connect to that.

>>282938883
Konan-chan was a good girl, I would've have liked to see her take up the mantle of Amekage in earnest

>>282939984
She gave three girls a promotion just to send them to their deaths.

maybe because the world feels real and draws you in

all i want to know what is the one piece, they might never reveal it anyway

its funny because i prefer pirates to ninja, but prefer Naruto

>>282940007
she could not oppose Nagato.

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>>282932730
kill yourself narutard

>>282939720
The choreography isn't the problem, it's the writing. While it's cool to see Madara styling on all the allied shinobi forces by himself, it's just a total waste of time. Someone logical like him would have known the futility of relying on taijutsu to deal with a massive army and opted to use large AoE fire ninjutsu or genjutsu the entire time.

TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


nade

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>>282940025
>all i want to know what is the one piece, they might never reveal it anyway
This is another thing. It helps that Naruto has a defined endgame.

>>282940113
This. I don't think Madara has business doing kung fu on that level like he's Might Guy or something.

>>282940113
more than he was logical, he was prideful and liked having fun (him getting so turned on when Hashirama appears, only to throw a fit bc he's not important to him at that moment). so he came in, having been nearly dead and then dead for a decade plus, styled on some fodder, and then did exactly what you said he should do with meteor hax.

he was logical but also an emotional child reborn in a limitless body. he wanted some fun before destroying the world

>>282932730
naruto, especially part 1, has way higher highs

>>282940185
Post her milk

>>282939204
That implies that OP was never good and is a ZOG manga. Which is a non-sequitur.

>>282940314
Enies Lobby is a higher high than anything in Naruto

>>282940399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EMy_ZGAdU0

>>282932730
how is it better written kek
It's always
>bad guy exists on island
>damesel in distress asks rufy for help
>bad guy gets beaten up

>>282936529
>politics are great
it's extremely basic if present at all and Naruto's Kage council arc mogs them.
WG being comically evil isn't great politics, it just so happens to resemble reality. There is no complexity to how yonkou or gorosei is structured, and "random island have their own tyrants" doesn't change that either

>>282938996
Let me guess, he/his hometown/family was made suffer by a villain and he wants to get revenge

>>282935457
>Recent OP has got sakuga animation
Not him but I would argue that even now it's not really that well animated.

>>282932730
I bet you can't even tell why you think One pIece is better witten. You just think that because it's the popular thing to think.

>>282938728
Imagine not knowing what fraternal love is.

>>282932730

Naruto is edgier in a good way.
Naruto is actually a really pessimistic series whereas OP is too optimistic for its own good. When OP gets dark it's like goofy creepy pasta dark and OP is full of one dimensional mustache twirling villains whereas most of Naruto's villains are actually smart and arguably right about everything.

>>282932730
That's how I feel about bleach. I like all 3 of them but bleach just hits different even though one piece is objectively the best written one of the bunch

>>282932730
Naruto hasn't dragged on for 20 years and Naruto's timeskip wasn't as bad as One Piece's is.

>>282932730
>yet another retarded newfag doesn't understand concept of preferences

>>282932730
OP isn't better written simply by the virtue of being a 1000+ fucking chapters long story. All the writing has been lost more than decade ago. By now it's a hubris of hundreds plot lines, most of which are of mediocre quality.
Naruto has more cohesive, well rounded story where most things hit just right. It's absolutely better written than OP.

>>282933879
Do you also have one for Enis Lobby vs Whole Cake?

>>282941544
OP isn't well written but compared to the dumpster fire that is Naruto, it might as well be considered high litrature.

>>282941166
actually no, he worked for a ship building company that was infiltrated by glowies. Takes him some time to realize what's going on and then helps Luffy and co to do what they were doing

>>282932730
Despite the flaws Naruto is pretty much the streak of great moments and memorable characters throughout 700 chapters.
It helps that Kishimoto's panelling and storytelling are exquisite. Its very nice to look at and easy to follow and it hits you right on time and in the eight way usually.
OP is weirder and harder to follow.

>>282932730
One Piece has dogshit pacing and is plagued with worse filler than Naruto of all fucking things

>>282941700
the best thing about naruto filler is that you can skip most of it easily, while one piece just drags the scenes out

>>282940441
off screen training power ups dont mog anything

>>282940047
I'm pretty sure he didn't tell her to do that, she just decided to do it when they came back.

>>282942064
he had lost a body and needed a new one. You think they had no discussion on how to do that? think they hadn't gone through that process before?

One Piece is just as poorly written as Naruto. You probably enjoyed it more because Naruto has some stakes and consequences to character actions while nobody ever dies in OP.

>>282932834
You forgot Linkin Park In The End AMVs set to Naruto fighting Sasuke in the valley of the end

>>282939690
Anon, Naruto has a fucking transformation that turns him into a woman for the sole purpose of seducing men. You can try as hard as you want, but One Piece will never be half as gay as Naruto.

>>282932730
>despite One Piece being significantly better written?
That's the thing, it isn't.
Naruto is genuinely quite good throughout part 1 and it handled the escalation significantly better than One Piece until near the very end.

The only issue is that it didn't end with Nagato and kept dragging on for many years afterwards and then it didn't end with Madara either, it just kept going.
The parts that people like about Naruto are still quite good by WSJ standards.

>>282932730
for me, it's the chakra system.
yeah they break it a ton, but it always still comes back to that.
in one piece, i never have the feeling of "measuring strength". any time rufy wins, it's because of a new move, a new transformation, and we almost never see him training.
naruto is all about training and chakra, from the very beginning. it starts getting weird with sage form, but still good. and then it kinda drops with tailed beast mode, chakra becoming now apparently infinite.
but he still runs out of chakra at the end, and him and sasuke end up having a fist fight.
so its the "powers" side of thing, it's done much better and makes you curious of how they're going to push it.
one piece is literally "i suddenly have new powers"

>>282936683
You need to let go of the past.
The people you are complaining about, they don't exist anymore. So with the distance of time, maybe now you can look at Naruto in a less emotional and more objective way. And objectively speaking, Naruto was immensely influential in WSJ, most modern Jump manga borrows heavily, heavily from Naruto. You can say that that's bad and that's fine, but you cannot deny the impact it hand.

Also, the Narutards of old, they're still better than what we are dealing with today on this board. Believe it.

>>282942300
>You can say that that's bad and that's fine, but you cannot deny the impact it hand.
>Also, the Narutards of old, they're still better than what we are dealing with today on this board. Believe it.
These two things are connected

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>>282942449
You are illitereate.

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>>282942535
Naruto's zestiness was leaking out into his shadow clone.

>>282942449
No, they are not, because they are statements on fundamentally different things. The former refers to the influence Naruto has had on new shounen manga being made, while the latter refers to the normalfaggots and crunchyroll casuals.

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>>282942876
it was supposed to be the 'feminine side' he taps into for the sexy jutsu. I found it amusing how it resulted in a female VA who is voicing a man trying to sound like a woman.

>>282942911
If you can't see it, you're part of the problem.

>>282939897
Naruto has the ability to turn into a woman btw

>>282942934
I don't think that Jujutsu Kaisen lifting narrative ideas from Naruto is the reason for MALtards and schizos, but feel free to believe whatever you want.

>narutards jealous they didn’t get a good finale and boruto is trash

>>282932776
One Piece is too old for this. More like the Spongebob of anime.

Rick & Morty would be something like One Punch Man, for some reason it seems to satisfy the same type of audience.

>>282942300
Actually most of them borrow from Bleach.

>>282934082
With all this sasuke glazing I have no idea why the manga is even called naruto. What's the point of naming it after a guy who's not even stronger/better/cooler than some edgy fuckboy and gets regularly fucked by said fuckboy. He can't do shit without him in the end, he can't beat him in a fight, he didn't get the girl. Calling it "naruto" without making Naruto the actual mc is so gay.

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>>282940007
Tsunade promoted Shikamaru to chunin and sent him on an S rank to his death (he was 100% screwed and was going to die in his fight)
Ajisai might have been sent on a mission that was difficult but doable but she fucked up and Konan made the best of it.

>>282943035
>Tayuya missed out on a prime husband candidate
her loss

>>282939897
>Naruto has objectively the better characters and girls
>If a character is cool he gets plenty of screen time instead of doing nothing for 300+ chapters
The lack of self-awareness in this post is overwhelming, One Piece haters are something else.

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>>282943066
Died before ever getting a boyfriend, Kishimoto really hates women to a degree that I kind of respect it.

>>282943087
I could have saved her

>>282942978
it's both, really
Nobody borrows from One Piece though.

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>>282943087
Tayuya got off easy.

>>282943115
>what is Gash Bell?
>what is Fairy Tail?
Damn, even shit like Black Clover has some of the One Piece spirit in it. I don't know why you fags love to be so biased about this series. I get it, you don't like it, but I don't see why you have to be so petty.

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>>282943128
Not as bad as her...

>>282932730
>one piece
>better written
lmao

>>282943291
Alive but forever alone?

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>>282943373
Slowly wasting away, lamenting how her IT dream will never become reality

>>282943446
In Kishimotos view that probably is worse for a woman than being tortured and humiliated for days, then killed.

>>282943446
>has an eligible bachelor in her employ and by her side 24/7
>never considers him
her own fault

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Chojuro or Suigetsu could've fixed her

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They hated her because she was realistic...

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>>282943555
I hate her because she's the only girl allowed in any marketing these days

>>282932730
Dislike of flashbacks?

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Sakura simply lacks certain traits that are required in classice beloved characters

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>>282943219
>equally popular as the most popular series
>while having an unusual aesthetic and a tone/essense unique to itself
It's easy to understand. People hate things that are different, especially the most autistic weebs who try to burn anything that doesn't fit their idea of “anime.”

>>282932730
I enjoy them both. 2000s Shonen was built different

>>282933240
It can not be overstated how much Naruto shit itself as hard as it did upset me

>>282943077
Is he wrong though? Oda doesn't even pay attention to the main characters anymore, they always get sidelined for the local islander who won't ever do anything useful. Just look at the strawhats:
>Zoro
Hasn't had a meaningful character moment since Thriller Bark. It's just been aura farming ever since. Wano should have been his arc but he didn't get anything. He actually fell behind Luffy instead and bottled it at the end of the arc. And then there was the Money etc which was character regression
>Sanji
Had his moments in WCI, I'll give Oda that one. Other than that he's been flanderised and is now a perverted pedo whereas he was more of a gentleman before
>Nami
Only good for fanservice, that's all
>Usopp
This nigga got almost no development and stayed a coward for 1000 chapters because 'Elbaf is meant to be where he becomes a man'. Now we're at Elbaf and Robin stole the spotlight. Hasn't done anything worth mentioning since thriller bark. The whole dressrosa thing was a shitty gag and a waste of time, and him gaining haki was an asspull
>Chopper
Somehow more useless than Usopp
>Franky
Egghead shouldn't been his arc and he did absolutely nothing
>Brook
This guy hasn't done shit since he joined
>Jinbe
He had his moments in FI and WCI I guess. His interactions with other crewmembers has been very minimal though
>girls
One piece girls are weak as shit. Hancock and big mom are the only ones who are somewhat competent, and even then Hancock jobbed offscreen to BB while big mom jobbed to law and kid

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>>282943555
Has anyone here actually met a person as unpleasant as a Naruto character? It's why nobody can tell me that the writing is good, because they're all extremely terrible people in a way that borders on pure caricature

>>282944685
How are they terrible?

>>282943555
I hate her because she's dogshit

>>282939147
Yeah you're right. Instead it makes him look like a pathetic loser instead
>jobs horrifically to Freeza, goes and crying like a bitch begging Goku to avenge his people
>bums off a woman
>jobs in another timeline
>gets beaten up and humiliated by a woman
>trains hard for a year
>lets Cell get stronger for no reason then jobs again
>fights sperm cells while a child battles the main antagonist
>trains for several years
>lets bad guy control him because he wants more strength, has no confidence in his own strength
>betrays everyone to fight goku one more time, still can't beat him
>blows himself up like a bitch
>turns out goku wasn't even going all out
>comes back and does a 'fusion dance' with another man (gay)
>jobs
He might have been less pathetic if db sucked him off a bit more

>>282932730
>One Piece being significantly better written
Is this true?

>>282932730
I enjoyed Naruto cause it looked cooler and had fun games and is mostly pretty simple. I got filtered by One Pieces art, too.

>>282943002
Sasuke is the deuteragonist. Don't you know what that means? Naruto still got more screentime and attention. Besides, catching up to Sasuke is one of Naruto's goals. He catches up to him in the end, which shows his development. He doesn't regularly get fucked by him, he stands on his own feet throughout. In fact the whole reason Sasuke left the village was because Naruto was catching up to him and that made him feel like he wasn't improving fast enough. His next fight against Naruto was also the reason he took Itachi's sharingan, because he knew he couldn't beat Naruto without it

>>282944685
What’s funny is that Team 7 in general is easily the worst part of their own story, the side characters are likable in spite of being side characters, but the main characters (usually) skirt being disliked just because the leading role gives them an undeserved shield

>>282940007
>filler

>>282940260
This

>>282940441
>gears, asura, diable jambe and monster point asspulls
>muh boat with a soul
>usopp being a pathetic loser
>sanji being a simp

>>282932730
I don't know, you like ninjas over pirates.
Or you just have bad taste.

>>282941576
No. Didn't notice that one desu. If anything I would have said Wano was closer to Enies Lobby

>>282942219
>likes women
>knows that women are a man's weakness so exploits it
>marries a big titty wife
Meanwhile
>the sexiest woman in the world likes luffy
>he sees her naked
>she begs him to marry her
>he has two sexy women on his crew that are half naked constantly
>meet big titted, scantily clothed sluts on every island that start fawning over him within a day
>only gets aroused around Usopp
Sounds gay to me

Dailyramen? Mein hero.

>>282944626
>>Brook
>This guy hasn't done shit since he joined
This is why you fags can't be taken seriously. You just say the most stupid and retarded shit that can only sound convincing to someone who has never read One Piece and you think you've said something meaningful, is just laughable.

>>282944937
Luffy has shown interest in Nami's body more than once, he just doesn't care about getting married or being in a romantic relationship. Naruto became obsessed with the man who gave him his first kiss even though he tried to kill him and transforms into a naked woman to get men hard, nigga might be the gayest MC in battle shonen history.

>>282945367
Nta but he was grossed out by that. And he ends up marring a tradwife. Luffy doesn't strike me as the super horny type.

>>282945367
I think that's just Oda being inconsistent.

>>282944937
>marries a big titty wife
You mean the wife he leaves alone all day and night while he's locked up in an office doing work that someone else or even a shadow clone could do?

>>282945542
Not canon. And even then, that's only when he became Hokage.

>>282944803
even team 7 is ok on their own, when they aren't interacting with each other

>>282932730
Better fights, anime, music, games, and art.

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>>282945448
>Luffy doesn't strike me as the super horny type
He isn't, but he's not completely oblivious to a woman's body either.
>>282945478
About what? Are you really taking that SBS joke answer seriously?

>>282945448
>he ends up marring a tradwife
A beard*
Naruto does not have any interest in Hinata and objectively prefers Sasuke.

>>282945664
Well, until he impregnates a girl or something, I'll just say he doesn't care too much for that stuff.

>>282945747
If he didn't, he wouldn't have married her or started a family. Stop projecting your gross fanfic nigger.

>>282945588
That's part of gaiden and the movie

>>282943555
>le realistic Sakura
No one has ever actually met a woman like Sakura in their lives. She's not "realistic" outside of the lens of deluded /r9k/cels.

>>282945810
The movie isn't canon. And it's not mentioned in Gaiden.

>>282943555
>such a cunt that even her seiyuu said she didn't like her

>>282945816
Nobody has ever actually met a woman like [insert anime character] in their lives. She's not realistic outside the lens of [insert personal vendetta]

>>282945783
>If he didn't, he wouldn't have married her or started a family
Have you never even heard of a beard? There are a lot of gay men with that exact story because they want to keep up appearances. Naruto has no sexual interest in Hinata and willingly ditches everything to go to Sasuke at a moments notice, Sasuke does the same as he abandoned his own family for a decade and yet is still willing to go to Naruto at any instant it's required by the plot.

Unironically if someone actually met a girl as bad as Sakura I would’ve expected some kind of storytime of that incident, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen here

>>282944750
Hasn't been true since Dressrosa.

>>282945827
Both chapter 700 and gaiden hint at Naruto being an absent father.

>>282945628
Kakashi and Naruto are fine together.

>>282945892
I'm not deluded enough to give you a genuine response. God, I hate mutts.
>>282945926
Chapter 700 resolves Borutos issue with his dad. The film has it due to Kishi inserting his own experiences as a father. Gaiden also doesn't outright have it.

>>282945920
>Dressrosa
What's the consensus on this

>>282945954
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_(companion)
I'm sorry you're such a zoomer you can't comprehend what is happening. Naruto and Sasuke can't be straight because they don't have any interest in their wives and prioritize men every single time without fail.

>>282945926
>absent father
No? Absent father means he never shows up and talks with you.
Naruto did that much. Like how spoiled are you anon?

>>282945827
Boruto movie?
Then the movie where Nart ends up with Hinata is also a fanfinction. I mean, it really is.

>>282945992
Holy projection faggot

>>282945980
Last arc where all the Mugiwaras were useful.

>>282946020
That movie is canon. The Boruto movie was replaced by the Boruto manga that wasn't ever canon. Also no its him going through his memories.

>>282946049
It literally contradicts canon events to prop up Naruhina.

>>282946067
Naruhina already happened in the manga by the time the movie was released. Kishi had Pierrot change the film multiple times until he was satisfied, too.

>>282946092
I don't know about the chronology, but Naruhina is only canon in the tiny little bonus chapter where they go on a shitty date and Nardo forgets his wallet.

>Kishi had Pierrot change the film multiple times until he was satisfied, too.
Doubt. He never cared about the shipping, and like I said, that movie literally makes shit up and ignores canon characterization to make the ship canon.

>>282946175
>chapter 700 release date: 24 November 2014
>the last release date: 6 December 2014
>Doubt
https://youtu.be/EW4Okgni9us
0.09 seconds
He only cared about the endpoint. Not the road to that point. You sound like a certain shipper.....

>>282941421
Even though One Piece's TS was a huge drop in quality, Narutos TS is arguably much worse. OP managed to find its footing again in Whole Cake Island, and everything since has been enjoyable to varying degrees. Naruto TS just got progressively worse and worse until the only real enjoyment came from making fun of how bad it was. OP hasn't finished yet, so maybe things can go south, but considering Oda had planned the ending a long time ago, there's less a chance of it going off the rails like Naruto did.

>>282943835
Even at 13 when I started getting serious I stopped thinking all anime looked the same. Heck I think everyone starts realizing that.

>>282946368
OP lost it's footing again with Wano and didn't find it until Elbaph.

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>>282946347
So? Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700. The only thing Kishi made for the ship is that 2 page bonus comic about their crappy date, apparently released in the movie's guiebook. So it's not even official manga content. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but I don't care enough to click on that video. You sound like a schizo.

>>282946614
>Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700
What? They've got two kids in that. How is it not canon?
>I don't care enough to click on that video
It's Kishimoto himself saying he got them to change stuff until he was happy with it. You lost 10+ years ago dumbass.

>>282946693
You lost 10+ years agoby watching this crap.

>>282945954
>Chapter 700 resolves Borutos issue with his dad.
It doesn't?
>>282945995
I meant absent in the way the movie portrays him.

>>282946721
I accept your concession. Your anus hasn't recovered kek
>>282946731
It does. He sits him down for a chat, and he's not mad or upset anymore after it. It's pretty quick.

>>282946614
>Naruhina isn't canon in chapter 700.
Explain Himawari existing there.

>>282945936
They didn't even interact that much as the other Naruto trained under.

>>282946769
>and he's not mad or upset anymore after it.
You really think that would be it??? Lmao.
Not only is that not how children work, but Gaiden straight up has Boruto still resenting Naruto, so no, the issues weren't resolved.

I feel like One Piece will have an innately better ending than Naruto as long as it’s lasting legacy is not being shipfaggotry like the latter (insert pirate ship joke here)

>>282946838
The one whose lasting legacy is butthurt shippers is unironically Bleach. At least I still see people talking about the Akatsuki, Itachi and Pain here.

>>282946812
>You really think that would be it
It was it in that chapter. As their was no indication of anything else. Gaiden is also a sequel mini series and thus isn't canon.

>>282946769
Anon, just because Naruto got his son to calm down and behave at that moment doesn't he completely forgave his father for everything.

>>282946770
I mixed up chapter 699 with 700. I still don't know how that proves anything. Yes, Kishi shat out a ton of crackships to prepare ground for the spinoff. The Naruhina movie is still an ooc fanfiction, and I doubt Kishi gives two shits about the ship.

>>282932776
Nah that's monogatari

>>282946905
>Gaiden is also a sequel mini series and thus isn't canon.
Written by the original author, which means from Kishi's perspective their issues weren't resolved there.
Also, if that was all it took then Boruto would never have those daddy issues in the first place.

>>282946933
It was just a parallel from chapter 1 Naruto, who was also painting all over the monument. Post ending is when they added the hatred thing. Kishi said he did it because he experienced similar stuff irl.

>>282946987
You are NOT comparing the arc chapter 1 Naruto had to go through with the pep talk Boruto got in 700.

Isnt the Boruto anime supposed to be coming back real soon?

>>282946981
Boruto only has those issues because kishi self inserted what he was going through at the time.
>>282947028
I am as kishi is known to parallel stuff constantly. Pretty sure even the chapter names are the same too.

>>282946987
>Post ending is when they added the hatred thing
Boruto literally talks about Naruto being absent in chapter 700.
It was always there, people just didn't think much about it because it didn't take center stage.

>>282947057
>Boruto only has those issues because kishi self inserted what he was going through at the time
And those issues existed since his debut, post ending material didn't create them.

>>282947053
With the way nuPierrot is operating,
Bleach > BC > Boruto

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>>282932730
Naruto's an edgier story than One Piece and that's what sells it for a lot of readers. As an easy example Naruto kills a crazy amount of its villains over the story, even smaller villains who might not be as evil get spared they must die. Even most of the cute ones who would make it out in other manga like Kanon just die. One Piece has its villains get beat up, shake their fist at the Straw Hats, and linger on as a loser relegated to background appearances for the rest of the series. If you like the edge Naruto has One Piece beat even if Naruto is a complete hot mess of a story.

>>282947062
He's not an absent father. Absenr fathers don't live with the kids, etc. He even tells him i can't hang out now, meaning he did prior to taking office.
>>282947105
Post ending made them way more hostile. In 700, even after he's caught, he doesn't lash out.

>>282947171
You realize that's the case because him Missing hima's bday was portrayed as the last straw, right?

>>282947242
That was in the movie that wasn't canon. And it's entirely out of character anyway. So it's irrelevant.

Also he was lashing out before that scene happened.

>>282947265
It's entirely in character because Himawari wasn't literally him enough.

>>282947349
No but kek

>>282947296
It was on the level of him pointing the kage Rocks beforehand.

>>282947369
No, it wasn't. He literally called the previous era shit near the start of the movie. He was outright hostile in that entire scene. He was nothing like that in 700.

People will make every excuse in the book for Naruto ignoring his would-be wife's confession for 2 years straight but will curl up and cry over Naruto Missing a few birthdays and being slightly shat on for it.

>>282947447
>He literally called the previous era shit
He was right

>>282947447
Boruto bad mouth and disgraced the previous hokages in chapter 700.

>>282947502
He was wrong. And should watch his mouth!
>>282947471
I don't like how that happened, either. That dynamic was better in part 1.
>>282947538
He painted childish words on them. In the movie, he's super hostile.

We need Naruto One Piece crossover of some kind. Bamco keeps fucking those up

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>>282932730
>One Piece being significantly better written?
Nice bait, faggot.
Define better written?
Story not having an asspulls or plot holes?
Characters arc being well done from start to finish?
Characters being extremely memorable and standing out in terms of personality and dialogues/monologues?
Story being interesting and gripping your attention all the time?
Plot twists being great?
Story flowing just right with the great pacing?
Story being well rounded and finished properly?
I am positive that in most of these things Naruto is objectively better than OP, so yeah, you are full of shit.

>>282932730
It's not better written tho. Naruto, with 700 chapters, did what One Piece wishes it did with 1300+

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>>282932730
I think Naruto has a more interesting setting and concept than One Piece but something is very clearly "off" with the way it conveys a story when literal millions of people got gaslit into thinking it has themes that never actually existed, you would swear that Lee was the main character who trounced the greatest people in the world through sheer effort based on what the fandom says rather than what actually happens (he constantly gets folded like a chair as a prime jobber)

>>282945664
Why does Nami dress like a slut?

>>282947905
he's a Whorf. exists to establish how tough the villain is. Same as Tien and later Vegeta in DBZ

>>282947905
The hard work beats natural talent thing is such a bizarre case of media literacy to me because I can't think of any other shonen where people collectively brainwashed themselves into a message that wasn't there, Naruto exists in this anomaly where it's like everyone that watched it came out with an entirely different version of it in their heads

>>282947905
What you're talking about is selective memory, which I think happens a lot when people 'marathon' a show and pick out the things they thought happened.

Themes can exist independant of authors intention but when that happens they're dropped shortly after existing or are contradicted which is what happened with naruto.

You could say Naruto also had the theme of militarization of children but this likely wasn't the intention so it isn't taken seriously by the narrative.

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>>282947930
Because it's hot.

>>282948167
Luffy better be tapping that butt every night

>>282948085
>You could say Naruto also had the theme of militarization of children but this likely wasn't the intention so it isn't taken seriously by the narrative.
To be fair, you could argue that's more of an actual theme, from Tsunade's kid brother exploding in a flashback because of grimy war shit all the way up to the exposition dumping of Hashirama and Madara's backstories near the end of the story where kids were constantly fighting in brutal wars that fucked them up mentally, meanwhile far too many people somehow come to the conclusion that early Naruto as a character was somehow this paragon of hard work despite beating a chunin in chapter/episode 1 while not even knowing what Chakra is

>>282948222
Also that fact that LEE FUCKING LOST HIS FIGHT WITH GAARA

>>282947905
In my experience, that's mostly an American/anglo thing. I once asked a frog, and he had no clue what I was talking about.

>>282948077
its because most people never watched past thechuunin exams saga.

>>282948195
He can only get a stiffy if Usopp is around.

>>282948331
So then let him watch.

>>282947905
I'll always agree that Naruto being part of some predestined reincarnation cycle is silly bullshit that doesn't add to story at all, but I'll always laugh at the people that think it undermines this idea that he was always a scrappy hardworker despite the fact that he borderline always needs Kurama to bail his ass out of trouble

>>282948393
He had both. He worked hard but sometimes needed help. Plus, he was able to learn combat shit super fast, which isn't normal. So I considered him talented to some degree.

>>282944983
What has he done? Go on.
>thriller bark
Needed to be rescued by Zoro, watched the strawhats from thy sidelines for most of the arc
>Sabaody
Contributed nothing
>FI
Beat up some fodders
>Punk Hazard
Genuinely can't remember
>Dressrosa
Fucked off mid arc
>Zhao
Nothing, but tbf nobody did much that arc
>WCI
Copied the poneglyph. Fine
>Wano
Beat up some fodder then became Robin's human crutch
>Egghead
Nothing
>Elbaf
Ok I guess he messed up Gunko's mind there

So he did a couple minor things, fine. But do you realise he first appeared around chapter 450? We're currently on chapter 1162. It's been 700 chapters. Naruto ended at chapter 700. His contribution to the story despite how long he's been around is abysmal

>>282932776
>POPULAR THING BAAAAAAD!

>>282948222
What I mean by contradictions or 'dropped shortly after existing' is that events that involve child exploitation but result in victory are genuinely celebrated and follow downtime, usually involving comedic ramen eating and sexy no jutsu antics instead of seen from the outside as reinforcement of the status quo in a broken world that would even use child soldiers in the first place.

I think it's more likely that Kishimoto just wasn't thinking about it too hard as he would finish one issue only to begin the outline the next.

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>>282944685
>Has anyone here actually met a person as unpleasant as a Naruto character?
It's called High School. Only everyone is also a trained assassin...
>>282943555 is right.

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>>282947905
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>>282948085
>>282948309
I think it's a combination of a lot of things, people genuinely liking that plotline, channels being inconsistent with the episodes being airred which caused most people to no look past chunin exams or part 1 in general, AND the fact that Kishimoto straight up flip flops whenever he wants Naruto to be a genius or not, like, Tsunade arc and early shippuden pretty much go out of their way to Hammer on your head how much of an untalented shitter Naruto is.

>>282943587
Hinata also gets those

>>282946029
Do you enjoy headcanons?

>>282945871
>>282945816
This but unironically

>>282945855
Source?

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>>282948935
>had an arc where he was more active than any secondary character in Naruto who isn't named Sasuke
>your complaint is that he hasn't done anything since joining the crew.
One Piece must be the series with the most dishonest haters. It's as if you faggots only follow the series to find more reasons to hate it, nothing can be done right for you and everything is an excuse to keep hating.

>>282949446
I wouldn't know, unlike you

>>282932730
>despite One Piece being significantly better written?
not after the timeskip it isn't

>>282944685
>the kid who will stick up for you no matter what and will put himself in life of death situations just to bring you home
>unpleasant
If anything he's more bro tier. A clingy messed up bro but still a bro. Kid just has abandonment issues.

>>282938319
Well, Naruto IS a gateway anime of the worst kind.

>>282932776
that's CSM thoughever

>>282937613
Ask me if I care about coming off as intelligent.

>>282943035
Did Jumper drew this? Wouldn't be the first time he draws a girl in this angle.

>>282945816
Every woman that likes sex in the city and is somewhat pretty is like this.

>>282938319
We told you it was a gateway anime of the worst kind but you didn't listen.

>>282932730
While I probably prefer One Piece. The fights in it are shit. Yes, even the shadow clone and substitute spam in Naruto is more interesting.

>>282947471
He didn't ignore it for 2 years straight, he was going to ignore her confession and continued interest in perpetuity and it took extraordinary circumstances to artificially engineer romantic scenarios 3 years after Pain by literally looking at memories (just rehashing what happened at the valley of the end, including intimacy from Hinata running out of chakra... Just like Sasuke.)
Hinata has to retread the same ground as Sasuke just to force a ship, which is fascinating.

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What do you think he did to get b&?

>>282950699
Let's not act like NaruSasu isn't forced as well.

>>282950802
I don't know who that is.

>>282950829
all of the pairings are forced because the series has no romantic development at all

>>282950897
Which was done on purpose. Kishi said he didn't prioritize that stuff. He gave them some moments in Part 1 and 2, got the film made, and called it a day.

Naruto is objectively worse written. For a simple reason, Kishi never thought out the story. He simply layered the ideas he had on top of each other. Oda constantly lays out the future plot. In Arlong Park, Arlong mentions his conflict with Jimbei 500 chapters before we see it. And there are tons of examples like that. It's just more enjoyable to read a story like this knowing that what the characters are saying makes sense not just in the moment but in the context of the entire story. Considering that Oda writes in the format of a weekly manga, this is quite an outstanding achievement, no matter how much the local retards say the opposite. Plus, Oda is much better at creating engaging characters. In the last arc alone, we have Rocks, Loki, Gunko, and Garling. And these characters already have a fan base. In Naruto, it's the opposite: the closer you get to the end, the fewer interesting characters there are. By the end, no one but Sasuke and Naruto mattered.

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In any case, the people here praising the first part of Naruto are right, because Kishi literally copied Hunter's plot. Kishimoto's best writing was literally stolen from Togashi. Just like Bleach, it's a copy of YuYuHakusho.

Who

>>282951229
I see this posted a lot but I don't see how the land of waves arc is anything like HxH. Maybe the chunnin exams at face value but it diverges pretty hard and the rest is nothing like HxH

>>282932730
Naruto has a better adventure feel to it

>>282951353
OP fags typing furiously rn

is

>shits vs barfs
battle of the shonen retards.

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>>282951353
Naruto spends 90% of the manga in his village. Skypiea has more of a sense of travel and adventure than the entire Naruto series. Even Wano is a more interesting location than Konoha. Even though I hate Wano, I literally can't remember anything in Konoha other than the ramen shop and the Hokage's office.

>>282951229
Chuunin exam was an editor you retard

>>282951462
The fact that you gave a serious response to that says a lot about OPfags

>>282951462
Naruto barely spends time in his village during arcs

>>282951122
Imu keeps retconning shit, so Oda is the king of making shit up

Its a pirate manga but has no sea adventure feel to it you know. The mangaka jumped the shark with this Void Century baloney which was a plot device to add depth to Nico Robin.

I'm reading One Piece and just got to Gear 2. I thought you guys said Oda was a master at foreshadowing? Luffy literally pulled this form out of his ass

>>282951349
>the rest is nothing like HxH
Almost all the cool ideas Naruto is praised for are stolen from HxH. The exam, Orochimaru, Akatsuki, Sharingan, Sasuke's rescue arc, brothers conflict. Wave Country is probably the only original one.

>>282951462
hey, naruto spends 90% of his time running through trees. Konoha is a very interesting location that they never actually bother to develop nor explore, which is kind of wild but that applies to every village. Naruto's world building is absolute dogshit beyond the general concepts

>>282951505
>I WAS JUST TROLLING I AM NOT A RETARD NO YOU CAN'T SAY I AM A RETARD DON'T ANSWER ME I WAS TROLLING
The average Naruto fan's IQ is so low that I take everything they say seriously. These people unironically praise Boruto and defend the Kaguya asspull ending.

>>282951598
Naruto still has a more interesting world than One Piece
>DUDE THIS EQUATORIAL BAND HAS ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF LIKE A VIDEO GAME LOL

>>282951505
To be fair to him, One Piece haters are so retarded that you can never tell when they're serious or just baiting.

>>282951638
Nta but that's horseshit. Normalfag fans shat all over Kaguya and Boruto.

>>282951598
>Luffy literally pulled this form out of his ass
Gear 2 is a stolen ability from CP9. Luffy explains it himself. Plus, Oda never cared about fights. You just get used to it or drop the manga.

>Oda was a master at foreshadowing
By average shounen standards? Yes.

>>282951597
>Orochimaru
Explain

>>282951695
This has been forgotten now. I constantly see people defending Naruto's final arc and calling it a masterpiece. The same thing is happening with Attack on Titan.

>>282951770
And he just effortlessly steals it? Just like that? No training or anything? Jesus christ...

>>282951770
he didn't steal gear 2, he stole the speed trick