Where is the anime sci-fi boom?>Gundam is more popular than ever>plenty of Japanese artists and writers are making small-scale sci-fi projects>there are enough aerospace-dedicated Japanese vtumors to call it a niche>space race 2.0 is happening RIGHT NOWThere is even a decent number of sci-fi LNs coming out every year, but anime is not picking up the trend.What gives?
no one wants a scifi isekai, and if it aint isekai no one will fund it
i want scifi isekai
>>282945556There is no hope for the future and sci-fi is built on that hope
>>282945607best you'd get is>it's isekai>but it's an ancient advanced society that collapsed and went back to medieval ages>so all the scifi shit is ruins
>>282945556Little to no competent animators for mechanical stuff.
>>282945622Pretty much this, a lot a science fiction is either about hopeful or dystopian futures, and most have no heart for either at the moment
>>282945692Close enough.
>>282945692This is unironically better pitch than most slop airing right now
>>282945556>Apocalypse Hotel>Trigun movie>Hathaway>Wing movie>Towa no YuugureIs this not enough for you?
>>282945607I think one of those aired in the spring season
>>282945622>>282945778These, sci-fi had its heyday in the 20th century when people believed in the future and the power of technology.No, almost everyone has caught on that it's complete bullshit, all we're gonna get is more AI slop, and higher rents, slow decay of civilization where nothing interesting happens.
>>282945817but like 50% of isekai is like that already
>>282945957He wouldn't know, he doesn't watch isekai (it sucks).
>>282945556AYO DIS NIGGAAYO DIS NIGGA WANT AYOOOOOOOOOOOO NO WAYDIS NIGGA WANT 50 EPISODE SPACE OPERA!?!? IN 2025?? HELL NAH BRAAAAAH NAAAAAAAAH HOMIE OMFG NAAAAAAH
>>282945556>but anime is not picking up the trend.And that is a good thing.
>>282945874He wants a Gundam®,©mecha tards are the other side of sunrise, the lovelive with retarded machines
>>282945968He's right I checked out of isekai because I knew it was going downhill a few years ago
>>282945556>space race 2.0 is just a race to space commercializationThere is no scifi boom. It's all corporate dystopia.
Yay, just what I want, more ugly CG mechs
>>282945939Greatest Generation>grows up through the Great Depression>fights in WW2>can imagine a brighter future and is full of hopeMillennials>can't afford avocado toast>can't find any funny xeets on xitter>eugh there is no hope for the future, everything will suck forever
>>282946033Two of those are Gundam though?
>>282946066Avocado toast? Xitter? what are you talking about? It's not about hope, despair and hard times can also be good fuel for creating stories, cyberpunk, post-apocalypse..etcWhat's really is bad is slow suffocation and decay , the loss of all meaning, you're trying to have a conversation about sci-fi and technology and someone jumps in talking about avocado toast, that's the sort of culture we live in.
>>282945968the scifi element is always used just as a means to further the equipment and skills, it's never a meaningful settingisekai are by their very nature low effort shit
>>282945993>DIS NIGGA WANT 50 EPISODE SPACE OPERA!?!?I certainly do.
>>282946056More accurately, it's a bunch of rich people flaunting their wealth over the functionally starving masses. >>282946066>avacado toastReally, anon?
i think gundam sucked the oxygen out of sci-fi anime
>>282945556Already happened.
>>282945622>>282945778I think keeping sci-fi at such a binary on whether it's hopeful or depressing is the mistake everyone makes. Ideally, just place a story as "action, but with sci-fi trappings". While there are advanced technologies and we've set up colonies in the rest of the Solar System and beyond, just make it that achieving all of that is the backstory and the story is more on the struggles of the characters and worldbuilding is tied to that.
>>282945556I don't remember the last time I've seen a good sci-fi story, they are just not being made anymore. Not in anime, not in manga, not in movies. The only hope lies in literature
>>282946706Being a sci-fi doomer and going "woe is me the world sucks too much" is especially retarded when OP opened with "this is popular in all these other ways, how come not in anime form". Hail Mary is probably gonna be the biggest film of next year, anime probably should try a couple new projects.
>>282945727The real reason. Isekai and high school are cheap and easy.
>>282945556Real life ended up being cooler than all the old predictions so now people are recalibrating since the old writers both got a lot of shit right, and a lot wrong.Space elevators? Meme. Reusable rockets? Real.Fusion? Meme. Fission? Real.AGI? Meme. Sophisticated cognition assistance software and BCI tech? Real.Etc.
>>282945607Same.
>Sci-fi comes out>It doesn't count because you want Star Trek clones, not general science fiction
>thread is total dogshit>AGAIN
>>282948521Orion sucks bruh, NPP will NEVER EVER be real.>gotta be able to build a shitzillion nukes for every trip, for every shipPure fantasy. At least post mini-mag Orion if you want to be taken serious.
>>282945556>>282945939>>282946169PoMo and it's adoption by both the left and the right leads to the ontological rejection of originality. You can even see some anons here that vehemetly deny "newness" and reductively believe everything is recycled variations so there's no need to "improve" the status quo of stagnancy.
>>282948521>posts westoid art
>westoid artSo it was shitposting thread from the beginning. Makes sense. Two times in the row.
Cope and seethe.
>put cute girls on the moon>have them jump and float around>skirts flutter, panchira, boobs breasting boobily>edutainment angle for life in spaceEasy AOTS material.
There's a new Symphogear project being made at some point. New Patlabor too even if it'll probably be shit. And it seems like they're making a new Gundam series every once in a while now, even if none of them really interest me. Plus Cyberpunk is getting a new season. Every time someone complains about something like this, they ignore everything being made that fits the criteria just because they specifically don't like it. Which I understand that reasoning as like I said above, most of it doesn't interest me, but that doesn't mean it isn't being made.>>282946577If it didn't do it when it was the most relevant then I don't see why it would do it now. >>282949118How would you get panty shots if you can't expose your bare skin to space? I'm sure this would trigger the hard sci-fi fag's autism.
>>282949219You can expose as much skin as you want inside habitats. Also human skin is basically fine when exposed to vacuum actually, though you would get bloated and still need to breathe, you won't even get cold that fast. Should still probably wear a suit if going into the vacuum though.
>>282949219>Symphogear>Patlabor>Gundam>CyberpunkAll sequels or otherwise mature IPs. I think a lot of what people are asking for is new and original stuff. I will cut Cyberpunk some slack since it's kinda sorta but not really a new IP, at least for the general public.
>>282949522We need a Shimeji Simulation anime.
>>282945622This. Don't let the vast amount of sci-fi that contradict your point prevent you from making biting social commentary
>>282949345>>282949118Planetes has cute girls and ugly weebs on the moon.
>>282948703>gotta be able to build a shitzillion nukes for every trip, for every shipYou wouldn't able to have any space combat if you can't build shitzillion nukes.
>>282945622/thread
>>282948703>>282949708Proliferationmaxxing is based.
The best sci-fi anime of the last 5 years was made by French people.
>>282949660Yeah that would be pretty cool.
>western dogshit designs>sci-fi is so complex and detailed!Kill yourself.Show me one series with those super detailed machine details in written form and not added afterwards in art books.>>282945968>>282946036>>282946187UPVOTED REDDITORS!!
>>282949839Jap dub soon.
>>282949960Only one guy has posted western designs in this thread doe.
>>282949960Unironically to good for these subhumans, I hope they just market it as isekai so the sci-fi niggers all drop it.
>>282949345>centrifuge swimming pooli want thisa death trap, but still want this
>one (1) movie based on like 1/20th of the manga>no other material in sightat least it had shibo
>>282950070Japs who draw this kind of ships are all using projectrho westoid site and CoaDE. That's why they all know english. It's dishonest westoid design. Real Japanese Spaceships look like a boats from Yamato.
>>282950624Uh-huh? You really believe that?
>>282945556FUCK mechsbring back plens
>>282950680Yes. This is just spacetoy slop from shitty anime. Try watching something good instead.
>>282950870>shitty anime>Mouretsu PiratesGod nu-/a/ fucking sucks.
>>282950624Westerners invented sci-fi
>>282948703>gotta be able to build a shitzillion nukes for every trip, for every shipnukes can be mass produced like anything else.and you don't even need that many, just a couple thousand.
>>282948703also, orion is the only realistic intra-stellar drive system we've ever had proposed. no matter what technology you pick it's gonna be the energetic equivalent of blasting nukes out your ass if you want anything approaching useful performance, so might as well just blast literal nukes out your ass.for interstellar travel you'd actually need fuckhueg planet sized lasers or particle beams, the rocket equation makes onboard propulsion utterly unworkable at those scales
>>282950991>nu-/a/Go back. Watch your second anime.
>>282945556>>282945622There's that but we have also been coasting along with many of the same 'sci-fi' ideas for easily 50 years now. It's ultimately either 'quantum' or 'nanomachines', at least with fantasy it's all bullshit and you can just invent a new magic system based on fruit or whatever suits your fancy and slap that in a story.
>>282951015Specifically, science fiction as we know it was invented by a crazy goth chick who set out to prove that her contemporaries were a bunch of scrubs. Incidentally, why aren't there more Frankenstein anime adaptations?
>>282951183>It's ultimately either 'quantum' or 'nanomachines'-posted using quantum nanomachines
>>282949661I won't. I'm very confident in my soundbites.
>>282951183So why is Fantasy not thriving? Why is it all isekai?
>>282951210Go away Ocelot.
>>282951222This is bait, surely.
>>282951056>>282951103But you also have to justify the mission profile that you are seeking with that kind of power. Power which is expensive to make, and politically rife. Interstellar? You can maybe justify it for that yeah.Or you could take an infrastructure approach and staging. One hot concept right now is wind-pellet shear sailing (cog railway) for 5-10% c or do the same kind of thing with sunbeam, then turn on q-drive (not quantum, the plasmadyne one, Q is for flow) to get more speed up. Materially cheaper, maybe, than building a bunch of nukes. Maybe more capital intensive too, but more reusable as well.Orion is just as much a paper rocket anyways, so no point in getting locked in on it as being the "only way", at least have variance by including Medusa as well if you love the concept of Orion.
>>282951222Japan can't write fantasy. It's over.
>>282946056>>282946268And unlike in old cyberpunk, it's not even cool. And there are no back alley augmentation clinics to visit or resistance organizations/retrofuturistic biker gangs to join either.We get a worse dystopia than prior generations could have thought possible, yet it's also incredibly lifeless and boring. In the West anyways.
>>282951333Frieren. Just because it's popular now doesn't mean it doesn't count.
>>282951355Frieren is fake fantasy with Baldur's Gate 3 mechanics.
>>282945556Give it a year or so until until everyone gets "dorky guy and sassy girl" romcom fatigue.
>>282950624Kind of funny that the only westoid design in this thread is also the one that looks closest to a classic battleship.
>>282951445That shit's been going on for like 10 years at this point.
>>282951445That's been going on for 50 years now, uresai yatsura.
Picrel, Moonrise, Milky Subway, ApoHotel, shitdam gcucks, Lazarus, Kowloon, Your Forma, Evil Lord, new Aquarion, shitdam requiem, Mecha-Ude, new Yamato, Grendizer, Nier, Geass, DeDeDE, Shinkalion and Gundam Seed Fredom are just some of the science fiction anime released in the past 1,5 years.How many of these have you seen?
>>282945556There will be no boom. I'm gatekeeping sci-fi
>>282951493/thread, we are living in a sci-fi golden age.
>>282951493In order;Watched, skipped, watched, watched, watched, dropped, watched, read it instead, read it instead, backlogged, backlogged, skipped, didn't even hear about this one, skipped, played the game instead, watched, watched, kodomo anime so no, backlogged.
>>282951493>Milky Subway, ApoHotelApart from these two, they're all some of the worst shows of their respective seasons. Particularly your pic related.
>>282945692Scrapped Princess
>>282951291>expensive to makenot really. >interstellarI specifically said orion is INTRA-stellar. learn to read.The use case for orion is manned travel inside the solar system. For cargo you use slowboats on lazy orbits. For interstellar you need something far beefier, like particle beams or lasers with sails.>paper rocketIt would work. Unlike anything else that has been proposed so far.>politicsas always this is the only real barrier. if I was absolute god-king of humanity we'd have them 20 years ago.
>>282945556>>there are enough aerospace-dedicated Japanese vtumors to call it a nicheMy beloved autism princess.
>>282951524>I'm gatekeeping sci-fi
>>282945556>>282945622just wait for Kaijin Fugeki's anime
>>282951355Frieren is a "Native Isekai"In that she is a native (not transported), but everything is still treated as an isekai, complete with retarded rpg mechanics, guilds, demon lords, faux-digital maps, etc.
>>282951839For interplanetary NPP is mega overkill dude. The fuck do you want all that deltaV for? Modest fusion with 0.005g of thrust is enough for anywhere in the solar system on reasonable timescales. It's not that Orion isn't cool (it is very cool) but I don't think it's ever gonna happen so I'd rather promote options that are less of a political issue.
>>282949960>Show me one series with those super detailed machine details in written form and not added afterwards in art booksyou are asking for a technical manualnobody will write it, because its the most boring shit ever, you would know if you had to work with such shitty paperwork, you stupid nigger
>>282951851Sucks we never got another work out of that writer.
>>282952072So what does he do for a living?
>>282952001>0.005g of thrust 1g or go home!
>>282952378I won't pretend I don't like The Expanse but goddamn has it been a disaster for spess discourse. The power of being the coolest version of a thing to date.
>>282952444Well we need a little more "juicy" tech level for engaging adventurous anime. Low tech would probably only work for sol and drama where everyone brutally dies after burning for 11 episodes to intercept enemy fleet.
>>282953088Not Japanese but it works for Human Reach, that just plays out more like a spy thriller than a war story though. The Japanese can do spy thrillers probably.
>>282952444>>282953088>but goddamn has it been a disaster for spess discourse. The power of being the coolest version of a thing to date.I only read the novels up to that point in which they try colonize a planet and there are some AI ruins or something and the AI ghost of that Miller detective comes back for some reason and they made pace with the belters. But almost everything ignoring the magic fusion engines were rather realistic, and without too much retarded things like in LoGH.Pic unrelated.
>>282945692Kino every time.
>>282945607It already exists. It's called Muv Luv, and it fucking bombed.
>>282945556They ran out of western Sci- Fi authors to steal from. All that's left is recycling the same space fantasy gundam slop over and over. And really,m why would they even try something original? Japanese NPC consumers keep consuming. And Japanese corporations ain't exactly known for embarking on risky endeavors.
>>282945556>space race 2.0 is happening RIGHT NOWNothing ever happens
>>282945556>there are enough aerospace-dedicated Japanese vtumors to call it a nicheI forgot about it by the way.
We need some Star Wars like anime shit instead, with deep lore. When are we getting it?
God I want a season 2
>>282953933See>>282950870
>>282954271See your way out.
>>282955281Watch Space Operators instead.
>>282953441No, it's called Urashiman and it did pretty well.
A forgotten masterpiece.
>>282945556wait for Rebuild World anime, it's have many sci-fi element>rouge AI>mech>high tech gun>nanomachine>biotech>android and cyborg
>>282956102>ESL post>shilling for native isekaiLike clockwork.
>>282948418>Space elevators? Meme. Reusable rockets? Real.>implying rockets are as cool as space elevatorsa megastructure of any form always beats some gay ass rocket
>>282956783RAWKETS are literally phallic objects that humanity will FUCK and them IMPREGNATE the universe with. It's a man's romance.
>>282945556>Where is the anime sci-fi boom?Scifi in general has died, look at movies last 15 years. The genre is dead, and it's to do with the fact we live in the ''future'' now.
The solution is simple, just make a new Seikai series. Then with a renewed lust for space elf pussy the Japanese will write and produce more and more. Elves are the secret to reviving interest in anything.
>>282956102Is it confirmed to get a anime? I want porn of the loli AI.
>>282958224Don't be fooled, she's actually a catgirl
>>282953505>And Japanese corporations ain't exactly known for embarking on risky endeavors.It didn't use to be like this, how do you think 80's and 90's productions came to be?
>>282959987Slander!
>>282955618It's STARSHIP Operators, I have, and shut up.
>>282959997Literal bums like Anno walking around barefoot in studios and living under the desks, rummaging through landfills for production materials, completely forgetting who you sold the licensing rights to and effectively making it impossible to export the anime to foreign markets for decades, etc.
>>282949219All sequels from well established franchises. What we need is more fully fledged orginals introducing us to new worlds, more fleshed-out stuff like Iconic Field or Hammerhead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrNRZ3lvnbo&t=1shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpjLwNk1dm8
>>282960217Not talking strictly about sci-fi anime but originals come out all the time and /a/ usually ignores them despite always clamoring for originals.
>>282960434I'm in nearly every originals thread and the relatively quiet nature of them leads to some of the best discussion on episodes. Wacky "trainwreck" originals are worse for this, but we still have some decent SPECULAH.
>>282958852https://myanimelist.net/news/69467661The anime has been announced 2 years ago, and there's still no news of the released date for the anime since then
>>282953822In the 1980s.
>>282945622Nailed it.
>>282948418OE's are physically impossible. You can't connect the surface to space without shorting out the planet.>>282951015Arguable>>282953505Thats 99% of all Japanese stuff post war.>>282959987Elf>this threadWe have allowed the last 45-60 years to ruin science fiction by creating the standards such as Star Wars, Star Trek, Macross, Gundam, etc. The Used Future look that has permeated with us since the early 70's makes everything about it so fucking dull. It's funny that with Musk's little projects are ships in the future are looking more like picrel than anything else.
>>282961882>OE's are physically impossibleI assume you're using some kind of abbreviation for space elevators I don't know, which I already called a meme. That means I think they suck dude. I don't need you to tell me they are shit, reusable rockets are (likely) going to be able to get to $20 per kg to orbit and that's only slightly worse than the most optimistic space elevator projections without needing magical material science like a space elevator does.
>>282962027Orbital Elevator, this would be the other reason why they suck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alnT8rNNjSQ14 hrs to reach the surface? Now its 14 seconds!
>>282961882>ElfKot
>>282945692This is like half of Tower Dungeon's premise.
>>282945556I think an anime adapation of Ender's Game and the prequel series written by Aaron Johnston would be dope.
>>282945692>>but it's an ancient advanced society that collapsed and went back to medieval ages>>so all the scifi shit is ruinsLiterally the most generic shit ever.
>>282945556It takes a few years for anime adaptations to catch up to a boom, unless the boom starts from a popular anime.
>>282961582What is this? Is it good?
>>282945874There was also SEED Freedom and Maou 2099. I think that space pirate isekai got an adaptation too.
my god you people are fags
We are not going to space, we are going full on for AI tech, up until the bubble bursts.
We're already in space dumbass, have been continuously since the fucking 2000, and the number of people up there has been increasing, launch costs keep falling, and launch cadence keeps rising.
