What makes older anime dubs feel so much more authentic?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDmRlkwN6Y
>>282953162idk maybe they were actual anime fans and they weren't just in it for the money
>>282953162Actual actors vs internet actors.
>>282953162I don't think it's a matter of old good new bad, rather it's old bad new bad, but I do agree the best of old dubs are better than they are now.It feels like there is some industry standard that while preventing dubs from being as awful as they used to get is stopping them from reaching the admittedly not particularly great heights.
>>282953162They weren't great but they weren't trying to become celebrities either
>>282953499>Actual actorsThat's an exaggeration
>>2829531624kids vs funimation
>>282953499The video in question op linked to is a showcase of hyper-low-budget dubbing run out of Wilmington, North Carolina. They were random college students who came in for a weekend for $200 and gave it that distinctly amateur flavor (as well as the inexplicable southern accents).There was no reason for this other than the exceptionally weak employment laws, which meant the dub could be cranked out for a minimum amount of money. Getting your game or anime dubbed in CA or NY is more paperwork.They were the opposite of actual actors. They went to the ex-confederacy to avoid using actual actors
>>282954366Bryan Cranston was in a few anime dubs
>>282953162I miss when there were more accents in anime dubs. Everyone sounds the same now.
>>282955223Many dub actors have fallen into basically just playing themselves because that's what their SMS fanfags want
>>282954677>>282953739>>282953162It's also a matter of voice direction. This specific dub chose to bring in little kids and not go for an overtheatrical delivery. Nowadays even if you pulled college kids off a campus and asked them to dub something the voice directors would instruct them to act like they're delivering lines as a Saturday morning cartoon character or over the top video game character. The fact that they keep tapping in retarded streamers and twitter influencers that think that kind of overexagerrated delivery is industry standard try to train/act that way shows they're doing this shit on purpose.
>>282953162The thing that irritates me about modern voice actors, in any medium, is all the grunting they do nowadays, it just sounds dumb, same with whispering words or fake stutter. In old stuffs it just sounded like regular people talking with a goofy voice here and there
>>282953499You mean actual professionals, not just actors.Alot of old va dubbers were from many different things but profession level.
They didnt try to copy the japanese manerism that is impossible to translate but tried to adapt it to their own culture. Blame twitter otakus who complained retarded things like the character in the dub wasnt sounding like a japanese osakan man in which every line he delievery is a play of words with japanese language and that the characters werent screaming even if this sounds off in western. Idk why they didnt just watch subbed if they hate the way the dubs were done
>>282953162It was more like an indie industry back then.Now its basically just churned off via conveyor belt.
>>282953162Variety, old dub where done in multiple areas like even Canada and the UK but most new dubs are in Texas but there have been in LA lately. Old dubs are great because when they're good they're legit good and when they're bad it's funny and/or charming but now days most dubs are bland or boring.
>>282953162This dub cast was so well liked when ADV got the rights for the specials and movies they bought them back even though ADV always uses Texas VAs.
>>282957111What is ADV?
>>282953162Probably mix of nostalgia and the specific VA they highlight in this vid being kinda funny sounding. Not necessarily nostalgia for the specific anime, but sort of old vibes good vibes sort a thing. And when you listen to for example the children in this clip, you can definitely tell it's not "authentic" or whatever, sounds shit in fact.
>>282957194Defunct US anime company.https://youtu.be/u0GM0WIVlRM
>>282957339>let's make a dick techno amv to advertise or showsIt was different era
>>282957339Holy sovl
>>282957361>>282957462Nothing tops Manga'shttps://youtu.be/cCbUMEooHhI
>>282957194https://youtube.com/watch?v=mNOptWysmZc
>>282953162I dont know if the actual mics themselves have changed, but older dubs also sound 'warmer'. dont know how to properly describe it, but it sounds better imo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkCvXOncejw
>>282953162>dubNever was good, except for a select few shows/ova/movies or getting Disney publications and getting access to movie actors but that was only reserved for Ghibli stuff.
>>282957070Pretty much what i was going to say
>>282958636The Trigun dub is really good, fits the American western setting too
>>282953162real emotionshavent you noticed that nowadays people's emotions dont really begin in themselves but are programmed-in or reflected from others?it only follows that modern voice actors suffer the same disease couple that with reduced translation freedom and tamer scripts to begin with
>>282953162Nostalgia.This is proven time and time again that if you, for some reason, first saw an anime dubbed, you think it's somehow good or better than the original despite it being the same shit every time.
>>282961846Not really. I watched a lot of 80s-90s dubbed and enjoyed it but also liked them in Japanese too when watching them in different order (dub first or sub first). But I can't really stand more modern dubbing. There's just a different style to it
Do you prefer when Dubs do their own thing (loser restrictions, more interpretive) or more accurate to the Japanese version?
>>282961926i would prefer for dubs to do their own thing if it didnt mean I'm giving a blank check for weird people to push morality/ideology into itI would say they must be loyal to the spirit or the emotion but that has no enforce-ability
>>282953162>What makes older anime dubs feel so much more authentic?To save time and money, localizers like Funimation and ADV Films used to gather all the voice actors in one room, like a regular room, not a studio and get the recordings done in a day. Since the voice actors were right next to each other talking into a Microphone, the conversations sounded more normal and scripts weren't often followed to the letter, since an actor would change a word or two when responding to the previous line vocalized.It was less authentic to the source material but it made more sense when you're in a room working and responding to the last line someone said. So that's basically the difference. The actors in one room, talking with each other and making little changes here and there to help the conversation flow better. Voice actors, reading their lines alone in a studio booth is the standard now.
>>282953162Both are made by either the dude that was cleaning the floor at the moment or the family member of someone, the difference is that back then the people involved liked anime and the people these days despise it.
>>282961926I still remember scenes like "not because you're a rabbit, but because you're black" fondly, but finding out the guy behind Ghost Stories and his other rewrite projects made up a whole fake backstory about the series flopping in Japan to "justify" the ad-libs made me rethink it more deeply.I don't think anyone would have minded it was presented as a riff-type show, but that whole backstory aspect betrays a lot of the usual arrogance inherent to most western adaptations of other pieces of media, in this case further hiding behind a culture barrier and niche nature of anime. It's not just an anime thing, but a feature of most western movie/TV adaptations of existing properties. This is to some degree universal, but there's always way more pressure with our directors that they have to "leave their own personal mark" on someone else's work, and aggressively overstep their boundaries far beyond their role. They just can't help themselves. Rarely it lands, most often it doesn't; either way unless it is clear there is genuine love from the people adapting it for the original (and even that's no guarantee), there is a certain feeling of snobbish "I know how to handle a story better than you" feel to it that rarely leaves room for the original to speak for itself.
>>282961926Dubs doing their own thing, even though the Netlix Evangelion dub is more “accurate” the ADV dub still has a lot more charm to it
>>282953162Probably the fact that they WERE authentic, and done by actual actors, not "actors" who can only do "the dubbed anime voice.">>282954677So, what? I raise the point of authenticity again. Or is this the implication you're not a Real Actor™ unless you're a card carrying, all dues paid on time member of the SAG?
>>282961926Genuinely does not matter, at all.As Kant would say, "what matters is motive." The attitude the producers had going into making the dub is the only thing I care about. It doesn't even need to be a GOOD dub if it's clearly done with heart and genuine effort and a healthy relationship with the source material. So, yeah, random college students putting on the best performance they can in adapting a niche form of media to a foreign market is infinitely preferable to 'influencers' putting on a bland, hackneyed performance for censored, mainstream, international 'content.' Yeah, I think its a big problem that anime has become a mainstream cultural institution, but that's a discussion for another thread. As >>282962104 said alot of the time in modern dubs there's the stink of the censor hanging over it all, like the people involved were having to force the product to conform to ideologically stifling standards (as was the case with 4kids), or the unfortunately all-too-common situation of hack, failed writers with an axe to grind using localization as a means of a) pushing their personal agenda, and b) realizing their unfulfilled creative ambitions.
>>282954677Being an actor or not is a meme. A good director can get a good performance out of anyone,.
>>282953162I prefer older dubs for their voices and inflections honestly, they're not necessarily good or accurate but they sound more natural, which is something I like to hear in dubs as opposed to making it sound "just like the original".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-alVW-ldyAThis stupid meme video really shows off how annoying modern anime dubs sound nowadays.
>>282953739Old was bad out of incompetence. New is just maliciously bad. Neither is good. One is just more tolerable than the other.
I feel like there was extremely small window in the very late 90s/early 00s where dubs were actually really great. The period of time before the VA union got too big and before the translators/localizers all got centralized. You had a really huge variety of people doing the VA work and the translations were either better/more faithful OR just basically carrying the general gist without making it too retarded like it is now.
>>282954677Blogpost, but my little sister is going to that exact college (UNCW). She doesn't like anime, but apparently someone recommended Hunter X Hunter to her. We're also not Americans.
It’s so weird that Funimation dubs sounded better when half the characters were randoms off the street and the other half were Chris Sabat imitating Canadians
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY
>>282964853or yu yu hakusho's dub where jerry jewell pulled out that leprechaun ass sounding irish accent for whatever reason https://youtu.be/1zBFZV0d3vE?si=qXv4djbTQZNU7-5Oyet it's still one of the best dubs to do it because it's authentic and fun
>>282953162VAs knew their place and there was no social media thus they did it for the art of dubbing, not for the attention and likes.
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