I just don't understand why retards keep thinking this is an isekai.
>>283062383Because zoomers haven't seen fantasy that isn't an isekai.
>>283062383I don't talk to retards so I have no idea what you are talking about.
>>283062383you seem to have missed your thread >>283032617no need to thank me lil buddy
>>283062383They're retards, what do you expect?
>>283062383Because it is. Isekai means 'another world,' not jumping to another world. Frieren is set in another world, it's an isekai.
>>283062383Better question would be why do people insist on this being deeper than it actually is.
>>283062537It's not "another world" it's just their world.
>>283062383zoomers have a learning disability. Many of them just label things by the category they perceive. To them, isekai just means fantasy.
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>>283062610so native isekai is just fantasy it has nothing to do with actual isekaithe critical defining feature of isekai is the being transported/reborn into another world.no one calls The Lord of the Rings "native isekai" only a dumbass who consumes nip cartoons daily would call it that.
>>283062383This misconception can die off if it doesn't keep getting brought to attention. But no, you're keeping it alive and well with this thread. You don't actually hate this, you want to keep it going just to piss off the people it truly annoys.
>>283062577But it's not our world.
>>283062712Fantasy land characters getting isekai'd into our world prove that it's irrelevant. Unless they themselves are traveling into another world it's not isekai.
>>283062652That's what it used to be, things are different now. The critical defining feature of isekai is the broad collection of tropes that the primary consumer base is a fan of, and the part where you're transported to another world is just the classic convention and these days more often than not just serves as a signpost to tell the audience they're in for an isekai.
>>283062383Retard here. In my defense I only thought it was an isekai until the fifth episode or so, and only because the axe wielding dude looked kind of out of place and generic, so I assumed he was the self insert nipponese man. Gomenasai.
Hello from the multiverse
>>283063186How do you even make that mistake Nothing about the story up to that point indicates anything about that He's not even present for the first few episodes
>>283062985>isekai actually meansNope. Isekai means another world. Not traveling to another world. Ergo, fantasy characters in our world is not an isekai. It's really quite simple to understand once you use the definition of the term without trying to change the meaning or add caveats.
>>283063475Our world is another world to them. You're the one fucking with the definition.
>>283063374Promotional art included Stark everywhere.I like going into a show blind, but with how everyone was talking about Frieren I expected some kind of big twist, like a "suddenly isekai" reveal.
>>283063029>collection of tropesthat's narou-kei btw
>>283063577Am I supposed to know what that means
>>283063499>to themYou see how you keep trying to add caveats and change the meaning? Their perspective doesn't matter. Only ours. When speaking Japanese and you say "Isekai" it means another world, as in not our world. Sekai, our world. Isekai, another world.
>>283063619narou-kei includes>the broad collection of tropes that the primary consumer base is a fan of
>>283063844Is that an "including but not limited to" kind of includes, or an "exactly this and nothing else" sort?
I will never get over the fact that people use the tern native isekai.zoomers really are brain rotted.
>>283063838Another world in this case is about the relationship the world has with the characters, it's not just a story set in a fantasy land, it's a story about being in a world anat is foreign to you Or at least that's what it used to be, before the genre turned into trash and summoning into a greeting
>>283063838Their perspective is all that matters. And you had to randomly add "our" to the meaning of world to pretend you had a point so I know you know that you're wrong.
>>283063838how old are you? I'm genuinely curious?the only people I know who think this are zoomers.
>>283062383They don't. They just say it to trigger you. And it works. Every time.
>>283063926It's an incredibly stupid phrase but it's justified which is even worse Isekai as a genre isn't actually "any story where the main character goes to another world" it's wish fulfillment fantasy in a giant heap of cliches and a setting oddly similar to dragon questNative Isekai is just stories in the same genre that just realized the summoning or reincarnation don't need to be part of the story and cut it out to save time
>>283063955>anatOpinion discarded>>283063956>And you had to randomly add "our">he doesn't understand simple Japanese >>283063981Not an argument. Concession accepted.
>>283062383Aren't the japanese the ones that call it an isekai?
>>283064059They would think it means our world because they are from out world, not because it means our world if they were from another world and spoke perfect japanese then they would still use the same word for their world because it just means world. You either fail to understand basic reasoning or are disingenuous. Very simple.
>>283064059I would try to convince you if I thought you had the brain power take in new information and use it to update your world view.
Forget isekai fantasy. Try isexy fantasy.
>>283062537everything can be isekai with such a loose definition
>>283063029It would be more apt to call it "generic jap fantasy" than native isekai.
>>283064059>AnatI don't know how that typo happened but that's a really shallow reason
>>283063838This. All the talk of "tourists" and most oldfags on this board still refuse to understand something so simple.>>283064756Duh, that is literally how it is defined and used in Japan.
>>283064091ikr right? the anime that "literally just human characters from the earth playing a game" is categorized as an isekai
>>283064820yesbut zoomers are retarded so they use the terms they know, which is isekai
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>>283064994i usually disregard anyone who uses that term anyway
>>283062383Isekai has, rightfully, also become a colloquialism for fantasy with JRPG elements like dungeons, guilds, demon lords, screens - usually stat screens, but maps count too, etc. It all applies to Frieren, no matter how good it is.
>>283062383Because it's a generic nondescript videogame world full of the usual shallow Dragon Quest tropes, like demon king, hero's party, dungeon crawling, etc, indistinguishable from the ones every other run of the mill isekaishit takes place it. It could be revealed that actually the hero was reincarnated from another world and nobody would bat an eye.
>>283062383It might as well be, given how generic it is, with classes and sheit
>>283065889>a world based on the tabletop trends and worlds that led to the creation of Wizardry and then trickled down to Dragon Quest>this means it's just an isekai with extra stepsI fucking hate this place.
>>283065889>videogame worldWhy do people call it that when nothing in it has anything to do with games. Like, what aspect of it isn't just a regular fantasy world? Where do they gain levels, have an MP bar, etc.?
>>283065912>>283065919The Maou and Yuusha setup is distinctly a Dragon Quest thing, don't even try to deny it Friereniggers.
>>283062610This is such a retarded metric it made me dumberShield hero has no classes (apart from the heroes, but there's basically the same number of "classes" as there are heroes, so it's still not classes), no slimes, no demon lord, no cliche circular town, no mimics, idk what village chief even means in this context, no hostile wilderness near towns, and it has a distinct magic system (actually it has multiple, 2 per world so far).Gusss it's not isekai.
>>283062610Nice, saved.
>>283065982>it made me dumbergod forbid
>>283065138goddamn, wikipedia trannies get away with just writing whatever they want nowadays
>>283065972uh oh..
Himmel being a reincarnator from our world and coming back would be KINO
>>283063475You are dumb as hell.
>>283066754No, that would greatly detract from what makes it a great anime. Which is partially that it is simply a fantasy and not an isekai.
>>283065836No it hasn't. That's just you being incorrect.
>>283066688>his gatcha is the artists that worked on dragon quest
>>283062652>Lord of the RingsI remember when I first watched Lord of the Rings. One of my favorite scenes is when all the characters gather in the adventurers guild in Rivendell to decide what to do with the ring.All the characters openly displayed their large stat screens, alongside their adventurer rank, to prove that they were the right person for the quest.But Gimli (a shortstack kemonomimi girl who is constantly eating food, even in serious situations) grows impatient and tries to destroy the ring with the attack skill:『Greater slash』, a skill she gained after farming uruks for EXP.However the level difference between her and the ring was too high so her skill failed.Then SS rank adventurer Elrond used his 『Divine Appraisal 』skill to see that Frodo has a cheat skill rendering him immune to demon lord Saurons power. And so Frodo was chosen to carry the ring.
>>283067350>gatchawut
The actual genre name is litrpg.
>>283062383Because its fantasy and almost as boring as proper Isekais.
>>283062610/thread
>>283068052No, it's fantasy. There is no need to complicate this.
>>283062383>>283062610OP is a faggot
>>283065982>it doesn't have classes except when it doesThat didn't came up as good as you intended
It might have something to do with the fact that the world is super lifeless. Every village is the same, the ruling human body is just called "The empire", the leading religion is headed by "the goddess" and that's it. No effort is put into the worldbuilding despite all the walking around.
>>283062383yeah, such a distinct native isekai
no wonder this board is getting flushed down the toilet
>>283069124Filtered image, thanks
>>283067409Classic.
>>283067409This is a good post
Anime of the decade
>Vegeta's scouter has a stats screenyup, another isekai
>>283062610I hate the term "native isekai" but it's undeniably a real thing. I just wish we had a better word for it
>>283062383You are the retard. You are conflating Isekai (different world) with Isekai Tensei (Reincarnation in a different world). It's the same with Hentai or Ecchi in english.
>>283070290not a soul other than you uses the term "Isekai Tensei" inside or outside of Japan
>>283062383>>283069124The term Isekai should be used with its more narrow definition and require the reincarnation bit.Frieren is just fantasy. If a subcategory is needed due to its classic RPG elements, just call it a Fantasy RPG.
>>283062383It has the same generic as hell "tolkien without any of the stuff that makes tolkien cool" fantasy setting as every Isekai
I assume because the world still follows video game logic for some reason
>>283067409>secondaryRead the LNsJackson cut a lot of the lore. Like in that very scene Elrond explains the System™ and how Sauron is a level 100 boss.
The difference between fantasy and native isekai is the latter has video game mechanics like skills and levels.
Just to play devil's advocate. Frieren doesn't have video game mechanics. It may have classes, parties, guilds, dungeons and mimics, but at the very least it has a real magic system.
>>283062610/threadanyone who has watched at least 20 isekai can immediately identify this.
>>283062537Isekai is about reborn in another world, retard
>>283067409>>283070744Gollum-chan is cute! CUTE!
>>283062383Because it doesn't do fantasy any better than the average isekai
>>283062598This is just retards who watch tiktok
>>283065038What I don't get is frierentards getting angry over it, Dainanaoji(a much better show) is also labeled as isekai when is not but nobody gets mad.
>>283070651I don't think the current generation of jap writers even knows who Tolkien is
>>283073144because friren is the pseud netflix audience that doesn't want their art being compared to slop
>>283069124>native isekaiwho got isekai'd in frieren?
>>283074730Himmel is 100% an isekaijin.
>>283062610None of those are isekai tropes, they're just fantasy tropes.
>>283064014>Native Isekai is just stories in the same genre that just realized the summoning or reincarnation don't need to be part of the story and cut it out to save timeThen they aren't fucking isekai, they're just fantasy stories.
>>283069124none of those apply to frieren
