I’ve been revisiting The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and honestly I don’t get why it was considered such a big deal.Not saying it’s bad, but the hype around it — especially in Japan and the US — seems way overblown.Was it just the timing, the animation, or did the show actually hit something deeper that doesn’t land anymore?I know the movie is well regarded, but there was a 4-year gap between the first episode and the movie, so people clearly loved it long before that.Curious to hear from anons who were around back then — what made it feel so special?
It's supposed to be a parody of LNs like Shana which were all the rage then.
Aya Hirano and Sugita at their peak
There was nothing like it at the time, the animation is literally peak for a TV series from mid 00s and it also started the trend for club activities anime with a snarky cynical protagonist.
>>283072977Is this true?
>>283073090>There was nothing like it at the time.What exactly was so different about it?
>>283073402America getting anime in the 90s was a mistake. They were not mentaly prepared for it yet, and now have shitty nostalgia for crap nobody else cares about.
>>283073093Yes although Shana isn't the greatest example considering it only dabbles in the action oriented urban fantasy for a few bits. The cast Haruhi calls for are all reflections of popular tropes both in terms of their "powers" and backstories as well as their personalities. >>283072935>did the show actually hit something deeper that doesn’t land anymore?It very well captured the essence of certain parts of fandom, especially what might be called the slice of life aspects of the SOS-dan's activities. Haruhi and Kyon contain soft critiques of two very prevalent types of personalities that were common in the fandom at the time. The types of storylines and scenarios that appear were also part of the cultish fandom which was at a fever pitch of intensity at the time. Haruhi was so well targeted and constructed that its messaging was resonant with western fans feeding on the subculture second hand in the exact same way, and it helped that people like Kyon and Haruhi were common enough in western fandom too.
>>283073402>Wojack memeToday's generation is truly lost.
At this point I'm more interested in why people like you don't think it's special.
>>283073836I watched for the first time months ago, i don't watch SoL since it bores me to death, but i like anime enough to watch what i consider important or iconic shows for he medium (unless they are super old like astro boy or mazinger z).The show was good for the first couple of episodes but then it just kept adding supernatural elements that never developed.I almost dropped the show after the first season but i kept watching and i'm glad i did because even i can see that the movie is a masterpiece.I just can't say the same about the show and it blows my mind that there are people that liked this anime way before the movie came out, i would have hated Haruhi Suzumiya if the tv show was the only adaptation we have,
>>283074146>kept adding supernatural elements that never developedWhy does it have to do that?
>>283074146When exactly do you feel the show drops in quality, because if you watched in chronological order, if the point is after episode 6 then your views would make sense, since that is the point when the 1st LN ended, and the episodes after that are adapting the 3rd LN which is just a collection of short stories, that by their nature of being written as isolated short stories, are nowhere near as cohesive as something like Melancholy or Disappearance which are full volumes, so even if an episode like Remote Island Syndrome has its merits it is understandable and frankly inevitable that it would be a drop in quality compared to the more cohesive stories, especially if you are not a huge fan of the series or the characters already.And of course after that you have Endless Eight, which I personally consider to be excellent (apart from episodes 3 and 6), but can obviously understand why a first time viewer would find it difficult to keep themselves engaged, in particular considering how they at this point are unaware of how pivotal this story arc is to Disappearance, and after that you have Sigh which I have major issues with as it is a full volume that could of and honestly should of been a short story based on how little happens until the last 1/3rd of the story, and then you have 3 short story episodes again that are of a higher quality than the previous ones when taken as a whole on average, coming down to the fact how these 3 episodes significantly flesh out the characters instead of being primarily episodes about Haruhi doing something crazy and then them having to fix it.If on the other hand you watched in broadcast order, well in that case that can be explained by the fact that broadcast order was designed to have better pacing of the events at the expense of plot consistency virtue of the fact that the information provided by the episodes is mixed up.
>>283074304It’s because the series never really takes off; it’s not until the movie that a story is told that truly makes use of the series’ elements. That’s what this thread is aboutHow it’s possible that fans loved the series when it only becomes interesting in the movie.?
>>283072935S1 was God tier. Movie was S tier. S2 was shit tier cause of that endless 7 shit.
>>283074564You nailed it, i watched in chronological order and after episode 6 the show just goes downhill i almost dropped it. The only arc i liked was the one were they had to make a movie, i liked how Kyon almost kills Haruhi and i was in tears laughing at the end result. Then i watched the movie and i was like THIS IS WHAT I WAS EXPECTING WHEN I DECIDED TO WATCH HARUHI, FINALLY!!!
>>283072935it was the dance
>>283074925The worst part is that it wouldn’t surprise me at all
>>283075014Go read a book if animation bothers you
>>283072935it was genuinely overrated at the time, my older brother who would have been 15 at the time was super fucking into it and memorized the fucking dance, and I as an 11 year old understood correctly that it was utter shit, azumanga was a billion times better, and all seasonal SoLfags should be gassed.
>>283072935>great source material>unique mix of sci-fi romcom that delivers on its premise, while leaving just enough up to the audience to wonder about>is actually funny>characters are deep and question their own place in the story>kyoani magic>satoru kosaki god tier ost>transports you back to 2006 before the world and culture went to total shit>undeniable soul>extremely rewatchable, you will not notice everything even on a 3rd revisit>your reward for watching the show is the greatest anime feature film of all timechances are haruhi is better than your favorite anime!
>>283075141I also watched Azumanga this year for the first time and is far superior to Haruhi. The movie is the only thing that saves the the adaptation for getting the title of being the most overrated anime ever made.
>>283075409>great source materialDoesn't matter, adaptations should stand on its own. >unique mix of sci-fi romcom that delivers on its premise, while leaving just enough up to the audience to wonder about.Only the movie, the show doesn't deliver shit, in fact, introduces elements that never get explored.>is actually funnyOnly the festival movie arc, and the characters are cartoony despite the history taking place in the real world wich is a failure not a virtue.>characters are deep and question their own place in the storyAs deep as a cutting board, they are slightly less annoying versions of anime archetypes that we had seen a million times before and since (we got a tsundere, a yandere, a moe girl, a kaworu wannabe and a sarcastic MC who has an harem)>undeniable soulNot even a real argument
>>283075677You forgot the Kuudere.And yes, the characters are not deep, and they don't question shit. Kyon miraculously survives an assassination attempt by an alien with supernatural powers and in the next scene he's thinking about how cute Nagato looks without glasses instead of it being an event that traumatized him for life.
>>283075805Why the hell don't Japanese writers take note of how Hideaki Anno handles similar situations in Evangelion?
>>283072935It's a very well written series that explores existentialist themes that speak to many teenagers and adults alike, to self actualize in a world where everything seems "solved" and "determined". It was produced with very high value, great cinematography, near perfect understanding of the source material and what made it work -then added onto it with banger anime original episodes like Someday in the Rain. It has two compelling main characters, Haruhi being the more "force of nature" one, the one that embodies the whole movement the story is kind of pushing for, to tell you to be a more proactive "you", while Kyon is the more relatable MC who serves multiple role because of his unreliable narrator quality, both self insert and directly speaking to the watcher like you're having a conversation with the guy -made even better because of Sugita's fantastic performance (I like it better after season 1 actually though)it's very good
>>283075805>trauma Yes that's what Haruhi needed. Make Kyon a Tokyo Ghoul character that explores his trauma. I think you people are just looking for a completely different show.
>>283075805Him thinking about Nagato is a coping mechanism. Even I can see that, and I am slow on picking up on that kind of stuff.
Guys, I like this soundtrack so much. I can't wait for December.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMnxjdGTK4w
>>283072935>>283075450>>283074860>>283074146>Why was the show so popular beforeIMHO the main reason the show became as popular as it did was because of the meme culture surrounding it spawned from the hare hare yukai dance, god knows, haruhiism etc.I know a lot of people will try to deny this, but whilst Haruhi would of still been a very popular anime without these things it most certainly would not have become the cultural phenomenon that it did.Which is far from an indicment on its quality as a series, I absolutely adore the series myself, but it is moreso an indictment of the general audience in that the things that become extremely popular seldom do so because of their quality, regardless of if they possess it or not, but rather as a result of some other broad appeal element that appeals to the common denominator.This is my tier list of all the series arcs, both the ones that were and werent adapted, with the exception of the 2 most recent LNs, from which you should be able to tell that Melancholy and Disappearance notwithstanding, the series does get better post-Disappearance.
>>283075677>the show doesn't deliver shitThe show delivered more than enough supernatural elements. It's urban fantasy meant to lie inbetween supernatural and mundane. It's not supposed to take you straight into other worlds, but rather at the junction between normal and abnormal.>Only the festival movie arc, and the characters are cartoony despite the history taking place in the real world wich is a failure not a virtue.It's always funny. I completely disagree with your assessment of the characters, Haruhi is a very down to earth anime. Characters barely overreact and their behavior feels exactly appropriate. The only "cartoonish" part of these characters is basically their facade, eg: Koizumi talks in a certain way, Mikuru is a pushover... but this is merely a facade and you'd be missing the nuance of these characters and how they're written if you thought there was only that. I guess this applies to you.
>>283075846*3 compelling characters, I will not stand for this Nagato slander, she is by far the most compelling character in the post Disappearance stories as Haruhi and Kyons arcs are mostly finished at that point compared to hers
>>283075870headcanon
>>283072935I love her so much
>>283075914OH swap Melancholy and Adventure of Mikuru Asahina, I forgot to switch their positions around, if it werent obvious it goes from best to worst left to right.
>>283075914I'd put Wandering Shadow way higher, not necessarily for the main story (it's good, but not *that* good) but for the intro and ending Kyon monologues that deliver on the character development. They're way too important to be ignored or downplayed, this is one of the most important moments after Disappearance character wise.Intrigues could be a bit more on the left in A tierLive Alive/Someday in the Rain MIGHT get bumped up maybe?Other than that I pretty much agree
>>283075956Yeah, this scene was totally down to earth...In real life Haruhi would be bullied to death with a personality like that, especially in a japanese society.
>>283075805I mean, it's not 100% realistic in this instance but does it really have to be? That kind of expectation is pretty stupid.>>283075840You mean the anime where people spit on Shinji's face and get him to school where he gets bullied while living with an alcoholic retard instead of getting him the best living conditions, support and mental help as possible?>n-no but they WANTED the thing to activate the mcguffin that explains why the world is retarde-Doesn't explain why nobody calls this out in universe.Shinji not being at the VERY TOP OF THIS GAME and hesitating for even 2 seconds, or worse, being late 5 minutes, can result in thousands, millions of deaths, and billions in damage or more. There's no excuse.
>>283076150Yeah that's the exception to the rule. I've said that scene is way too exaggerated compared to the rest of the series multiple times in these threads, so I'm not coping or reacting to what you said. This is the exception.Keep going even one or two episodes later and you'll see the series just doesn't work on these rules normally. Haruhi just putting a bunny suit costume gets her in trouble. All of Haruhi's actions actually get her quite ostracized for a while and Kyon always feel a bit judged for associating with her. This series operates on very down to earth rules, the wackiest you usually get is "Kyon brings his 10 year old sister to a baseball match, kind of hoping to sabotage it" or a 5 seconds scene where Haruhi dropkicks the computer club president. No exaggerated mannerisms, EEEEEH or whatever things. Filming the movie in Sighs is pretty realistic too with the sponsors and the use of public places with cheap effects. That's kind of the appeal, really.
>>283072935It was basically the first example of a manic pixie girl done in Japanese media, which was a super popular trope back then. Of course, Kyoani's production values didn't hurt. They also did a lot of experimenting with the media, like releasing the episodes out of order. Anyways, it got people organically talking and discussing.
>>283076081I put Wandering Shadow that low because the bulk of the story is quite literally Mysterique sign, again, and whilst yes the very beginning and the very end are rather significant/good, I pretty much count the former as a part of Editor in Chief, and the latter as the prologue of the entire Indignation LN, I really dont want to give any merit to a story that is pretty much a carbon story of what is already one of the weaker stories in the series, just because it happens to also contain something of value at the very beginning and end of it.This is also partly why I ranked Intrigues lower, because the prologue to Intrigues is one of the best parts of that story IMO, but it is pretty much its own thing that has nothing to do with the rest of Intrigues other than some conversations at the very beginning of it, it also just goes on for a bit too long, not as much of an issue as with Surprise, which otherwise I consider better than Dissociation and only below Disappearance because of the movie, but it just goes on for too long.Live Alive I cannot rank higher than it is simply due it being such a short story, the rest above it are either full volumes, or in the case of Snowy Mountain Syndrome 2/3rds the length of one, so whilst I could maybe bump it above Snowy Mountain Syndrome that is as high as it can go, Someday in the Rain I put below Day of Saggitarius because the latter has far more substantial unique characterization for Nagato to where I value it a lot more than Someday in the Rain which simply restates things that we already knew about Kyon, Haruhi and Nagato in an admittedly very creative and quite insightful form of letting us see what a regular day is like for the SoS brigade outside of their crazy adventures that are otherwise all we see, and Remote Island Syndrome ranks higher by virtue of being a longer story that manages to be rather decent, though I could see an argument towards bumping it above those 2 and no higher.
>>283076361*epilogue of the entire Indignation LN, ffs I fucked that up again
>>283074860Why do people watch the show in chronological order? Obviously that is not the intended way.
>>283076272Ok i see your point, is just that those types of tonal inconsistensies make me cringe.
>>283075141>>283075450>Azumanga superior to HaruhiYou both disgust me. AMD is overrated as Hell.
>>283076361>because the prologue to Intrigues is one of the best parts of that storyNot the ending? Haruhi's chocolates got me as warm and fuzzy as Kyon>Surprise, which otherwise I consider better than Dissociation I feel like Dissociation is more focused than Surprise but Surprise has such a powerful ending character wise (seriously, every characterfag gets his due there, it's just so satisfying)Live Alive is short but I'd say is connected with Melancholy 6 in the adaptation (the lyrics of God Knows) which makes me consider it as part of a bigger whole maybe... Also top tier character moment for both Kyon and Haruhi at the end.
>>283076475Fair enough, but these are very few and far between. Haruhi understands it has to be on the more realistic side when it comes to portraying things to make the supernatural stand out, that's an important strength of the series, Kyon has to be the straight man and the series has to abide by these rules. I think it does.
It's the first "deep" popular LN, yes that means rather shallow but it also means that it at least tries and that is enough to interest the above 100 IQ masses. It's the coalescing moment of mastery of the anime medium with a rather omnipresent high-school message, "moe" was still new and the "Someday in the Rain" and the movie masterfully presented that high-school message which isn't new, but its presentation was.To be honest maybe you are jaded toward anime or had different expectations. When I watched this (in broadcast order), which is the anime that made me watch more anime, I immediately knew that it contained something special. Season 2 not so much, the chibi joke side show not so much either.
>>283076505Thats why I said ONE of the best parts, not THE best part.Anyways here is an edited image with all the post-Disappearance stories circled in red to make the point of the series getting significantly better clearer to those who arent familiar with the LNs (like OP).
>>283076505>>283076361(cont because flagged as spam)>Someday in the Rain I put below Day of SaggitariusBefore that point I'd mostly agree with you but not hereSitR isn't just about a regular uneventful day. It also shows Nagato's tragedy, silent, ignored and unable to connect with her only "real" peer.Pic related is the moment where Disappearance became an inevitability, more than Kyon not probing further Nagato during Endless Eight.
for me it was kyon shittalking everyone constantly. it was really refreshing for a male mc
>>283076620Thats what I was referring to when I said UNIQUE characterization, I am aware that if someone had only watched the anime and didnt read the LNs, they would have seen Someday in the Rain first, however as someone that didnt do that, Endless Eight comes before Someday in the rain and makes that point exceptionally well.
>>283074146>because even i can see that the movie is a masterpiece.People were suffering from "Haruhi-blues" after watching that movie, incapable of watching anything else for 3 days, remaining in a state of suspension.
>>283076659This, Kyon being both relatable AND a judgemental dick (kind of?) with Sugita's eccentric voice acting really elevates him. He's just that good.>>283076676It's a similar character beat but the perspective and execution are pretty different. I feel like Yuki staring at the distance with empty eyes in E8 doesn't compare>>283076716pic relatedgod I love Haruhi
>>283076592I knew by looking at pictures and the hare hare dance that the show had moe elements but i expected something in the realm of zayonara zenbotsu sensei or something like that.
>>283076760I disagree because of something that is essential, which is the contrast of the fact that Nagato was actually thoroughly enjoying herself and having fun during the first episode of Endless Eight, to her being utterly defeated in the remaining episodes, its this contrast I believe that is the key of the strength of all the Endless Eights Nagato moments, more so than these moments in isolation without that contrast/context.This is the primary reason why I consider the anime version of Endless Eight A-tier, whereas the LN version I would put in C-tier.
>>283076302>It was basically the first example of a manic pixie girl done in Japanese media,lollmaoThere's like a long list of female characters in anime and manga who did that long before Haruhi even came out as a light novelhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ManicPixieDreamGirl/AnimeAndManga
Never understood Haruhi's reputation as a "moe" show when the show is basically 60% Kyon and Koizumi discussing scifi shit or Kyon judging people. Haruhi herself, the most prominent female character (unless Nagato has more screentime? Probably not?) isn't particularly "moe" (not in a way that would make her stand out from many, many characters in anime). It's not designed and directed like K-on, or Love Live, or shows that really get that "hnnngh cute girls love it" sugar in your veins.Hell, Clannad fits the bill FAR more than Haruhi, just look at the first arc with the stars girl. You could call it a "specifically" moe show. Haruhi though? Eh.
>>283076659The sarcastic self awareness was still in vogue at the time. How subversive. It made the characters so relatable. In american shows, all the way back in 1999, Neo going "wow did he just jump that building? That's crazy". Then Fight Club. Firefly. House...Big Bang Theory (2007 same as Konater's Show).
>>283077033Nice dubs Yuki!
>>283076760We still have not elucidated the mystery of Haruhi-blues.Psiker effect?Mass hypnotism?A religious-like effect where the individual reflects on its value, hereby for the first time perceiving the value of his surroundings as trite? Which is an effect that happens during loss.
>>283077061It makes you reflect
>>283075868I'm looking for consistency, no one reacta like thinks thinks like that after almost being murdered by an alien with super powers
>>283072935Like many old anime, it was a big deal because there was nothing better at the time.
>>283077788>>283075805Its not like this was the first time the concept of aliens with superpowers existing was brought up to him, he was already acutely aware of the concept thanks to Nagato running it down by him extensively before, sure he didnt believe her, however the simple fact of this idea being planted into his head, and also Mikuru and Koizumi prior to this telling him about equally weird shit about time travelers, espers and Haruhi, would of made the shock upon learning without a shadow of a doubt that aliens with superpowers are real far lessened.And also he is completely freaking out throughout the whole battle with Asakura, its not like he gives absolutely no reaction to this, and after Asakura is defeated he frantically rushes over to Nagato trying to help her before randomly blurting out the glasses comment when she mentions having forgotten to reconstruct them, I dont understand why you think he needs to be completely shaking from PTSD every waking moment of his life from this point forwards, its not like he experienced a major physical shock like what is oftentimes associated with PTSD, especially considering how we do see that he is indeed still traumatized by Asakura in Disappearance.
You had to be there.
The animation, characters, voice acting and style was a big influence. Maybe it is ho-hum by today's standards it's because you've seen it being rehashed so many times.>>283076903It came out before k-on and clannad but regardless the style and expressiveness kyoani was doing just wasn't there before. It made moe a thing alongside the typical genres where it really wasn't a thing before.And the SoL genre mixing was really a first as well.It may very much be a had to be there thing.
>>283072935I dunno it was comfy and I loved the SOS Brigade, I felt like I was Kyon. Luv me some Haruhi.
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>>283076892I didn't see any in your link.
>>283076892I wouldn't even consider half of those on that list to be manic pixie dream girl. This is a good reminder of how shit tvtropes is.
>>283079820Tvtropes is so autistic it may as well be special-ed. It out-autisms 4chan and I consider that to be quite the achievement.
>>283072935Where do I start with this?
I'm glad it burned to the ground.
>>283080264what the reason they couldnt escape again?
>>283080264I hope you die in a house fire too
>>283080353unlikely. I don't produce trash anime or make virgins seethe.
>>283080374Your post makes zero sense. Go back to wherever you came from.
>>283080292the work culture, it's considered rude to leave early
>>283073093It's a parody of LOTS of random Japanese novels and trends:>Koizumi is a parody of the antagonist of The Targeted School, who was a grinning transfer student that was secretly an esper from the future trying to take over the school to change the past>The entire second volume (and the series as a whole) is a parody of Operation Fairy, an old novel series from the 80s about a boy who meets a beautiful girl who's actually the most powerful esper in the world and is hunted by a secret organization. The second volume is about the cast shooting a movie for the school cultural festival, but supernatural shit keeps happening...>also Yuki is 10% Rei from NGE and 90% Kazusa Yuki, also from Operation Fairy. This isn't even speculation, Nagaru Tanigawa wrote a guest afterword in the 27th anniversary reprints where he admits it.>Disappearance and Disassociation are both obvious homages to Parallel World Love Story, a sci-fi mystery about a guy who wakes up in a parallel world where he's dating his best friend's girlfriend. The Disassociation chapters being marked "Alpha/Beta" is extremely similar to something that book did (despite the title, it's not actually a romance story... unless you're watching the live action version).>Mystique Sign is a parody of Missing, one of those trashy "boy meets supernatural girl" post-boogiepop stories (this one was big enough in Japan that it was one of the first light novels to ever have an English release! I'm a fan of the author's later series, Fragments of Grimm, too. Chuunikino)>Wandering Shadow is a parody of the Akuryo Series. If you've ever seen the anime Ghost Hunt, it's that.>Remote Island Syndrome is an obvious homage to The Decagon House Murders.But yes, the huge influx of "boy meets supernatural girl" stories around that time were a big one, too.
>>283080645Fug. :D
>>283073651Yeah no one but Americans has nostalgia for CCS, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, DBZ, Ghibli films etc.
>>283081104>Americans*Spaniards
>>283072935>so specialI think you are overstating how popular it was. Not to be that guy, but it was but a brief flicker in a puddle compared to how popular the big three were back then (and even now), so I'm more curious as to what's the basis for your claim.From my brief research, the only argument supporting it being special, was that anime expo tickets that had ASOS Brigade members visit the US sold out its tickets.
>>283081437>ShounenturdOpinion discarded.
>>283081471>no argumentIf you want to be a prick about it, you can take something else as an example:>deathnote>precure>code geass>FMAAll MOGGED Haruhi so hard back then it's not even funny, which further refutes the argument that Haruhi was something particularly SPECIAL.
>>283077061It's good because the previous release was shit. That's literally it. When you have low expectations from the last release it will obviously blow your mind.
>>283081553>FMAWas actually special, as it's the first anime that's not gibli you could recommend to someone without feeling secondhand embarrassment. Nowadays, FMA's role has been overtaken by OPM, but the point still stands.
>>283081437>>283081553Two different kinda of popularity. The one you're talking about was popular with casuals, while haruhi was popular with otakus.
>>283081717>b-b-but otakus>Black Lagoon>Fucking fate/stay...??!
>>283081553I disagree. I believe Haruhi to be the first anime that "went viral" in the modern sense. The Live-A-Live concert scene was the most viewed anime-related video on Youtube while it was up (and honestly, might still be pretty close to the top today had the original upload not been taken down, since even the 2010 "extended" reupload has 130m views). It came out just a year after Youtube and right around the time the proto versions of Niconico were happening. It happened at JUST the right time to be the first anime those platforms mass-spread exposure of.
>>283081896Haruhi was bigger than both when it aired, when fate wasn't as massive as it is today back then. Haruhi is one of the biggest reason why you seen so many anime that are adaption of anime.
>>283082051>anime that are adaption of animeYes.
>>283082093Meant to say LN.
>>283082146I know, wasn't mocking the post, just found it funny.
>>283081145No one gives a fuck about a world power from 500 years ago
>>283081944I dunno. I think some earlier anime like DBZ and Sailor Moon 'went viral' in a similar way. Stuff we'd consider bottom of the barrel, because that's what happens in the aftermath of going viral.
>>283082211Not a single white country considers burger consumers as an authority when it comes to opinions on anything.
>>283074860>You nailed it, i watched in chronological order RETARD
You really had to experience anime BEFORE Haruhi to truly appreciate the influence that Haruhi had. The entire industry more or less reformed around it and has been that way for near 20 years.
>>283082252Nope. Even stuff like Evangelion caught on entirely due to people catching it on TV. Haruhi came out right when streaming internet video had just hit the point where it wasn't a huge pain in the ass, so people were able to free share clips and edits of it in a way we take for granted nowadays.
>>283082403You kind of laid out your own bias and why Haruhi isn't, in fact, special. The circumstances (time & place) were special, not the series.
>>283082477The series was special because it was in that time and place. It's like saying ToHeart wasn't special just because it's extremely generic by modern standards, despite being industry-defining.
It's the "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny effect, basically.
>>283082505Fair enough. I've forgotten what the OP was even about while writing that and my thinking veered off in a strange direction.
I will only ever rewatch the first season in broadcast order
>>283074146>I watchedyour first mistake. you are supposed to read it. Back in the day i watched the funny dance with megaman characters, then the first 2 episodes, and then read the entire thing in an afternoon. After that you can watch it if you want.
>>283081471>buzzwords>miss the whole fucking point>person he respond to takes it as legitimate criticismyup, is nu-/a/ alright
>>283072935It was the first anime I can remember that had an actual well animated dance that you could replicate IRL, which led to everyone doing the Hare Hare Yukai at anime cons back in 2007
>>283072935Well-written characters as a base. You can say a lot of shit, but the cast is incredible. Haruhi and Kyon have insane chemistry, you can throw them into any scenario you can think of, and it just works. Hell, even when Kyon tried to beat the shit out of Haruhi, any other pair would’ve completely broken apart and never recovered. For them, it was just another day.
The best watching order is broadcast order, but literally:1. 1st season broadcast order2. 1st + 2nd seasons chronological order3. MovieYes, you watch the first season twice, but it's worth it.
>>283072935Yes I'm talking that anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. It fucking sucks. Now it's pretty popular among the anime circles, and yet this poor excuse for an animated feature is the worst thing ever produced by a human being if you except Plan 9 from Outer Space, and I'm being generous.First you gotta admit you hated the first episode. It made no sense, sucked as shit, wasn't funny, edgy or new. Or original. Animation sucked dead dogs' balls. Characters sucked dead dogs' balls. Voice actiong sucked dead dogs' balls. But you managed to make it through the whole pile of steaming poo just to see the ED. BEcause that's what this anime is about. It's about the ED. Those 1 minute and a half. There's nothing else to it. You went like "OMG ANIMATION LIEK" you freaking retards and now everyone likes it. Yet it's shit. It's complete shit with no redeeming qualities. There's fucking nothing to it. Just the dance at the end. It's a dancing anime. A fucking retarded danxcing anime with no story and nothing and no characters it sucks. You shouldn't like it you morons seriously. Just download the ED and loop it on your WMP you cockass faggot asses. DAMN I wish all those threads about HARUHI OMG YEAH would go one and everyone in them die FUCK YOU for polluting my forums HARUHI FUCK YOU.AND NO IT 'S NOT A COPY PASTA I'VE JUST TYPED THIS WHOLE THING.FUCK YOU
>>283075677>a yandere???
>>283084884I assume he's talking about Ryouko.
>>283082269Meaningless sentence of bullshit when you cucks will have the English language all over the continent to cater to Americans.
>>283084910What a dumb original post. I know this is only one issue among many but Yandere have to be in love, Ryoko would just be a Yangire if you were to stretch it. Of course the more accurate descriptor would be "psycho" because she's not insane at all, she knows exactly what she's doing and why. It's perfectly rational and calculated. Haruhi isn't a tsundere and Kyon has no harem. Really stupid post.
>>283073090So it set the bar for low quality copycats of one another? Thanks Haruhi!
>>283085035>Ryoko looks expressive and friendly, but actually is a cold-hearted killer that only sees people as tools>Yuki looks expressionless and emotionless, but actually has her own desires and trusts her friends deeplyI think I get it
>>283078539You haven't really answered my question. The style isn't anything special. I'm pretty sure there are tons of earlier shows with... female characters?
>>283080048On wikipedia. Asking grok is disallowed.I've never felt as old as i do in this post.
>>283078226> I dont understand why you think he needs to be completely shaking from PTSD every waking moment of his life from this point forwards. Because that's how a normal human being would react and behave in that situation regardless of how sarcastic and detached they are. And just think about it, wouldn't the show be more entertaining? instead if pointless baseball games, Imagine Kyon having an arc were he wants to run away from that school and Nagato, Asahina and Koizumi preventing him from doing it. Ano was so ahead of its time when he wrote Sinji...
>>283072935I unironically believe that it's thanks to Kyon that the anime became so popular. He grounded the series with his cynical narration and deadpan realism turning Haruhi’s chaos into something relatable and hilarious. Without his perspective, the series would’ve been pure madness; with him, it became a balance of absurdity and human insight that resonated everywhere.
>>283086304That would make the show objectively worse. I'm not even saying you're wrong, there's an argument to be made that most normal people would be thrown into a deep unsolvable existential crisis when seeing the magic unfold, experiencing the assassination attempt and thinking the world might go poof arbitrarily. But that's not what the show is about or trying to build. It's about treading that line between reality and fiction, mundane and out of the ordinary.Kyon can be shocked (and he was), terrified of Asakura showing up again, but the show is about this slice of life coming of age story about young people finding their place in the world and self actualizing in unconventional ways, not taking its setup at extremely realistic face value. It's not a scifi show with SoL, it's a SoL with scifi.
>>283072977Shana is literally from the same mangaka as Haruhi.
>>283086397>mangakaHaruhi is written by Tanigawa. The manga is actually bad. They do share LN artist though. Love Noizi Ito.
>>283082280Broadcast order was just an strategy to make the show seem smarter and avantgarde, the novels and the Bluerays are in chronological order so you are the retarded one, on top of being easily persuadable
>>283086464The show was designed for broadcast order. The LNs were written in another different (still non chronological) order, but it doesn't matter, the show is designed for broadcast. Still works in chronological when you watch both seasons since it moves the climax to the end with the movie.
Gen Z trolls who watch tiktoks at 1.5x speed and come here trashing Haruhi deserve the rope. Maybe that was the objective of OP, to gather all the retards in one thread and ban them from 4chan.
>>283083063>even when Kyon tried to beat the shit out of Haruhi, any other pair would’ve completely broken apart and never recovered. Beacuse he never actually hit her and the writter needed the status quo for the next episode to happen
>>283072935It's hard to explain, but to me, Haruhi had this kind of anime meta allure that rewarded being an anime fan at the time but also grounded realism in Kyon. It was almost a love letter to many otaku tropes but also having its own mystical identity. That's how it felt like at the time.
>>283086433Good response.
>>283086494We actually had some nice fan discussion ITT. I guess the bait was worth it?>>283086525>status quoShe learned a lot from it.>>283086539The grounded realism is a big part of it, yeah, you're not the only one bringing it up ITT. Kyon plays a big part.
>>283085044THIS!
>>283086354But Haruhi is the one character that is actually popular
>>283086638Haruhi is the force of nature that encapsulates the change the anime is pushing for, the driving force, but narratively speaking Kyon is pulling a huge part of the work by framing this in an interesting and grounded way. Haruhi is proactive, Kyon is reactive. So obviously Haruhi is the face and the popular character but Haruhi without Kyon just wouldn't work at all. They support each other, both in universe and on a meta sense.
>>283086377My point is that he stopped being shocked the next scene.Ok you don't have to make him a therapist's wet dream but come on, just a little bit of cause and effect. Even in the movie he almost gave up and accepted his new reality, and now that i think about, the whole thing with his friend casually remembering that a girl named Haruhi Suzumiya... Wasn't that so convenient?
>>283086464It didn't make it seem avant guarde it made it avant guard. This anime was as punk as a commercial product could get. It wasn't merely weird it was a thematic progression because chronology isn't important when the characters' ways of life are put at the center of a story, and how do you plan on making your work noticed without doing something shocking anyway? Weird is good. The haruhi anime was done for the Art because Art sells. When the plot is Haruhi's fad of the day while Kyon thinks "jesus what now" then let's make the episodes in resonance with that concept.Art is engineering you see.
>>283086767I already answered your point. A normal person's expected full blown existential crisis would prevent anything this story is going for. Call it unrealistic if you want, but it's setup very early and pretty clear. Nearly perfect realism isn't the one way to handle things. In this case the author chose to keep Kyon's Asakura PTSD (when he sees her again) and keep his grounded observations/judgements for about everything but without actually letting him crash out and engage seriously with the prospect of the world being so fickle it hinges on a teenage girl. It's the right way for what Haruhi is doing, which is far more interesting than the "realistic" story.>Even in the movie he almost gave up and accepted his new realityHe considered it, I wouldn't say he was ever close to picking it though.>the whole thing with his friend casually remembering that a girl named Haruhi Suzumiya... Wasn't that so convenient?Kind of the opposite actually. It was a stroke of bad luck that made it so nobody in his surroundings knew about her, Taniguchi was sick at the wrong time. You could interpret it as Nagato making it even harder for Kyon to restore the world because deep down she was really intent on having her way, just like she also turned Asakura into the violent protector of this world (which Asakura calls her out for, so it's at least explicit on that level).
>>283086767To be fair it's not as if the other school was that farThe guy remembering haruhi is still a bit convenient but not that immersion breaking
>>283086848Honestly I'd expect more people to remember her, she's not exactly forgettable. Although that universe did beat her down a little more, but still. Kyon probably just gave up too early after his initial spergout got him in trouble. He's analytical and methodical enough but that's the one time where his emotions got the better of him.
>>283072935Ease of video sharing and navigating the internet. The dance. The music. The characters being well written and being an anime that exposes otaku to existentialism in a palatable way.
>>283086840>how do you plan on making your work noticed without doing something shocking anyway?I dont know, making an interesting story for example?
>>283086638Nagato has been more popular than Haruhi ever since the movie came out, though then again that is probably due to the combined popularity of original and alternate Nagato, who are 2 completely separate characters and thus if you were to separate these 2 Haruhi very well could still be the most popular though both versions of Nagato would probably be rather close to her in popularity.
>>283087197I mean they did that. Besides that it could also be argued that "making something shocking" is part of an interesting story. Is Pulp Fiction worse for having non chronological storytelling?
>>283087299Pulp Fiction is made that way, Haruhi is decided to be broadcasted that way
>>283087366Haruhi was written in another non chronological order and then the anime was made with its own non chronological order in mind, taking advantage of existing stories to further the mystery and play with the audience.Melancholy wasn't written in non chronological order. That's the only argument you can make against broadcast order. But it doesn't negate what I said. If you watch Haruhi in chronological order you're missing out on a lot of deliberate and INTERESTING design choices. Most important one being Episode 00 in my opinion.
>>283073090Nah it was mid
>>283086844He almost forgot the second it happend, is just to unrealistic and stupid even for anime standars
>>283087693He clearly shits himself when he sees Asakura again. The show did make him a bit too expressive right after it happened though, that's true, but it seems like such a minor detail to keep talking about over and over.
>>283087693He reacts like someone who just discovered a new porn fetish on the internet, not like someone that was almost killed in the surrealist way possible
He reacts with a yawn to having escaped from a time loop.
>>283087968
>>283087968He only experienced it once in his memories. He's also used to the supernatural at this point. The Asakura example was valid, this is just you being retarded.
There is nothing actually thought-provoking in this show; it is style over substance like pretty much everything Kyoani makes. Despite the seemingly complex themes, the characters remain pretty archetypical in behavior. They are defined by a generic school uniform, and some minor accessory like yellow ribbons in their hair. It uses smokes and mirrors to make it seem like it is far more than a typical school comedy with cute girls and random cool ideas, and then lets the audience to be fooled into thinking these illusions are art or depth, when in reality they are elaborate trolling.I know how many will say that the purpose of any fictional story is to immerse the audience into its imaginary world, but there is a line which separates creative brainstorming from sickening autism, and Haruhi crosses that line way too many times. It is so heavy on empowerment fantasy that it doesn’t simply excite those who are bored, it also makes them do really stupid things in their real lives. Down to it, this show is a pretentious moe comedy that fools people with pretty colors, and superficial ideas.
The author not writing any more novels for several years is also seen as him having no idea of how to end a story such as this, further proving how the plot was random ideas with no planning.
People loved the supernatural elements it had; espers, and time travelers, and aliens, and gods, and reality warping, and lots of other cool ideas. And to top all that, they were thrown in a school setting, which is the laziest idea to use, but also the most successful one because everybody can relate to something they were part of for at least a dozen years of their lives.I too liked them as ideas but I was never made to love the show because of them, since they were nothing more than gimmicks. They weren’t semi-independent side stories taking place at the same time, they were figments of someone’s imagination, thrown there just for flavoring the moe.
>>283088064Kyon, Haruhi and Nagato most certainly do not remain archetypal in their behavior, whilst I can understand this sort of complaint in regards to the other characters, these 3 absolutely manage to be extremely well fleshed out and complex, even when taking into account only the things that were adapted in the anime, if you include the post-Disappearance stories this sort of claim becomes laughable and just exposes you for someone that hasnt actually read any of these stories, Nagato in particular receives an enormous amount of character growth throughout the post-Disappearance stories encapsulated by her rant in Suprise.“Words…” Nagato spoke in a thin voice, barely above a sigh. “Words are difficult. I am not currently able to conduct discourse with another organic interface. My verbal communication facility is insufficient.” I’d known that much from the beginning. But her silent nature was an important part of who she was—both for me and for Haruhi, I said. “I…” she began, her expressionless face transparently biting back the frustration she felt. “If as an individual I had been given social capabilities…” Her pale expression was infinitesimally close to blank. “The possibility of my gaining tools like Ryoko Asakura’s was not zero. I was not made that way. I cannot change my predefined index. Until I cease functioning, I will be… as… I am.” Nagato’s eyes were closed about three millimeters as they gazed up at the featureless ceiling.
>>283087693This is how Kyon reacts to seeing Asakura again in Surprise, 6 novels after Disappearance.“You’re…” I finally forced the words out. “Asakura.”... I couldn’t turn around. I couldn’t help feeling that if I turned and witnessed Ryoko Asakura’s form behind me, something terrible would happen.... This was an extraordinary situation. So much so that the once-deleted Ryoko Asakura had been revived. So much so that I had no choice but to seek aid from a killer.... Well, then, maybe she could point that knife somewhere else. I couldn’t even swallow....Asakura said the most chilling things as though she were chatting about the weather. She hadn’t changed at all from when she’d been the class rep. Was there anyone else in the world like Ryoko Asakura? I was as still as a dried fish left in the middle of a desert. I couldn’t even tell whether it was hot or cold. All I knew was the dull, chilling glint of the knife’s blade, and Kuyoh’s eyes, quiet as a fourth sub-basement room. It was too quiet.
>>283088216We are talking about the anime, not the novels, even the movie shouldn't be talked in this thread>these 3 absolutely manage to be extremely well fleshed out and complexCan you give me in show examples of this "extremely well fleshed out and complex" characters?
Because /a/ has such unfathomably shit taste that something okay like Haruhi is enough to basically be a masterpiece.
>>283088085That's retarded. Surprise was a perfectly fitting ending, he just didn't say "end!" at the end of it. Haruhi is at a really nice place when it comes to planning out a story and making it work out fine, and has multiple great potential ending points.
>>283088064Lay off the substance you mental fatso with your burger meat review.
>>283072935Like another person said it was kinda a novelty at that time plus very few animes at that time and the ones that would do something different were going to stand out a lot. I actually never liked Haruhi much and I think it has aged really bad. I love this time for anime there are more interesting things and bold
>>283088320Thats just kind of unfair though, those stories only work as well as they do because of the setup in the first few LNs.But of the top of my head those moments include Haruhis monologue about how insignificant she felt once she found herself amongst the masses for the very first time and how this is the main reason as to why she always seeks out the supernatural, Nagatos loneliness and isolation contrasted with her longing in Endless Eight and Someday in the Rain are excellent not just because of the depth of the themes here, but also in how they managed to so effectively convey this feeling without having her ever say anything, just seeing her like that was all that was needed, and lastly there is Live Alive with Haruhi smiling at hearing how the girls were grateful to her for helping them out, showing how much other people and doing ordinary things for them begin to matter to her.
>>283088151The story doesn't revel in its school setting, the school setting isn't the focal point as if it were some nostalgia inducing piece. It is only the device which brings the supernatural back to the mundane and that's the narrative meat: what made the story so popular.
>>283088718You're effectively discussing with monkeys
>>283079937Yeah, but it's not even autistic enough to be correct about the shit it's autistic about
>>283088734It's more urban than school setting yeah. I liked the focus on the hill they have to walk everyday to get there.
by the way, kinda off topic but this episode was a ripoff
>>283088785What's left?
>>283088718Ok, the Haruhi monologue was actually a pretty good moment in the show but is not "deep" is just a feeling that most teenagers have and Nagato developing feelings when it should be impossible to her since she states that is an impossibility of her desing in earlier episodes (unless i understood wrong) is just not convincing for me.
>>283078539>Maybe it is ho-hum by today's standards it's because you've seen it being rehashed so many times.Or maybe it's just shit. I can watch Heat, Jaws, Seven Samurai or any other classic films or stories (like Hamlet) that have been ripped off so much and still find them masterful. A good work of art stands the test of time no matter how many knockoffs of its brilliance ends up saturating the landscape.
>>283080652>Operation FairyWhat's the japanese name for that one? Google just gives me something about Gundam.
>>283088838Linda, Linda, Linda (2005) An actual good coming of age, and the concert scene was better than what they did in Haruhi
>>283088942Absolute shit taste. This is modern /a/ alright.
>>283088958Not having moe girls makes think "shit taste" ok
>>283089002>muh moeLike I said. Retarded nu-/a/ at work.
Hello kyoanuses, having another anus party in your kyoanus thread i see. Is it fun to be gay?Far from me the gall to interrupting your eh "discussion" pertaining to some baby anime but i should remind you of Studio Shaft's superiority in such matters, composed of artists which are still alive and still producing masterpieces to this day. Having made vastly more money through continuous successes like the Monogatari Series (soon to release its 20th installment which is a greater number than 2 seasons), Studio SHAFT is ready to keep it's historical and deserved status as leader in the anime industry.Now i do not require any payment for my tutelage since i am already enriched beyond material goods by the creative fruit of master storytellers. Continue with your fiery ventilations free of charge.
>>283088889I dont recall Nagato saying that she is incapable of experiencing emotion at any point, all she says in regards to herself is the following.>A humanoid interface created to make contact with organic life forms by the supervisor of this galaxy, the Data Overmind. That would be me.I think youre confusing what she said with what Kyon was projecting onto her, ie. the lack of any apparent expression or emotion on her face, and him later commenting that she wasnt designed with emotion in mind by the Data Overmind.And regardless of anything the point of her character arc wasnt about her gaining emotion, but rather it was about her being unable to deal with emotions that she already had, the points about her design that Kyon brought up had less to do with the fact that she developed emotions and more to do with the fact that because she was only ever envisioned to be a silent observer, once emotions did inevitably spring up within her she didnt know how to handle her emotions which eventually led to her actions in Disappearance.As such the sentiment that Nagatos arc is meant to convey is that of an individual who is experiencing a lot of emotional turmoil as a result of loneliness, boredom and depression, who due to the fact that they have an inborn difficulty with expressing, sharing and understanding their emotion, simply bottle all these feelings up until one day it all just boils over and they do something drastic, like committing suicide, which is what I always viewed Nagatos actions in Disappearance as a metaphor for.It is not a story about an emotionless girl learning to feel emotions, that might be a precursor to her actual arc as an in-universe explanation for why she finds it difficult to deal with her emotions, but it is not what her character arc is actually about, and the mistake you are making in regards to her character is a mistake that I see the majority of people who watch the show+movie make.
>>283072935As someone who watched it almost 20 years ago, I personally saw nothing special about it (it was unique in some ways), but it was a highly memeable anime around the peak of youtube poops.
>>283089036>shaftfag in the year 2010+15
>>283078275You have to be there means you had to be young and stupid and a lemming who is swayed by hype/popularity
>>283085013Holly overinflated burger ego. That's heritage of British Empire, as almost all EU countries learn BRITISH English. Also German is up there as well when choosing which foreign language to learn. And if you get into a fancy school, then you get the option to pick up French as well as it still is THE language of diplomacy. If you double down and want to grasp at straws and bring up time wasting garbage such as Hollywood TV slop and shit, then credit there goes to jews no burgers.
>>283089604Nobody cares about yuropoors.
>>283089042By the way, this reminded me that Kyon never ask her again for information about her origin, or who are their bosses or anything like that
>>283089631>I replied, therefore I careSorry bucko, but you are on an express to copetown. Have a nice stay.
>>283089817Well first of all there I dont see a reason as to why he would need to do this because she literally explained these exact things to him in exruciating detail, and even in the anime she draws comparison between other data lifeforms and the Data Overmind.But we also literally have this from Intrigues, volume 7. I turned on the electric heater. “What about your boss? They’ve suppressed the extremist faction, right?” “The Data Overmind does not have complete consensus. But the main faction still leads.” Interesting. Even pure thought entities had internal disagreements. “And you’re connected to the main faction, right?” “Yes.” Asakura had been a vanguard of the extremist faction. Wait—were there just two factions? Were there others? I asked. “So far as I am aware, there is the Moderate, the Revolutionary, the Compromise, and the Contemplative.” And they were all different. Asakura had tried to kill me in order to provoke Haruhi, but Nagato had destroyed her. But the higher-ups were still arguing about it, apparently. Just as I was visualizing the interactions of all those gods in the sky, Nagato spoke. “I cannot transmit the thoughts of other factions.” She slowly brought her gaze up from the page. “But I am here.” Her voice was perfectly steady, the very sound of trustworthiness. “I won’t let them do as they please.”
1.8 mb was huge in 2006
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>>28308994710/10 first episode
>>283072935It's special because it has a special girl who is very special and the anime is about her specialness where nothing really happens aside from people standing around and talking.
>>283089947>breeding scenewhat was haruhi thinking?!
>>283088939妖精作戦The reason you can't find it on Google is because pretty much every English source mentioning it calls it something else. But I literally bought the damn book off Bookwalker and this is the title page. I find the series kind of dry by modern standards, but it's like "yeah, I can definitely see how Haruhi came out of this". It's also considered one of the first books to use the "light novel writing style" where the characters are all super casual and there are long stretches of dialog and minimal descriptions/
>>283089975Again with novels? i'm talking about the series! This is what this whole thread is about.The fact that Kyon is not curious and barely reactive about all the paranormal stuff happening around him irritates me to no end
>>283072935>what made it feel so special?Nothing, to me it was just normal life, the space battles made it extra extra starcraft-fied, the dark themes and conspiracies were pretty similar to me. And of course the feeling of being young, full of life, ideas, blissfull amusement for discovery and new solutions on a world filled with angry tired adults. Thus the name melancholy.https://youtu.be/2sxDl_qxhAg?si=GkkyUwPEUoGc0GS0>windows xp crashed less if you were looking at the computer when cpu was at 100%Think whatever you want>>283075409>greatest anime feature film of all timehttps://youtu.be/CcPwZHVxp_o?si=bzGtVvF3oDZMI6vp>chances are haruhi is better than your favorite anime!I don't want better, I wan to be shamihappy and shamilibre
>>283090409Well I dont know what to tell you, I literally earlier in the thread made a tier list of every story arc in Haruhi here >>283075914>>283076608in order to make a point about how the observation that you made (if you are the OP) about the series having a significant drop off in quality after the first 6 episodes ie. when the Melancholy LN ended made sense because the following stories were of a weaker quality than Melancholy, Disappearance and what came after, with the exception of a few episodes like Live Alive and Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody.So yeah the anime part of the series is rather weak compared to the rest, however it still has great stories like Melancholy and Live Alive, and it manages to significantly improve upon stories like Endless Eight, although in that case I understand why someone might not like it.I am defending the series at large, rather than only the anime portion of the series, and even then the anime portion of the series has a lot more merit to it than you are giving it credit, Kyon does try and inquire to Koizumi and Nagato about the supernatural, its just that Koizumi is usually very vague about this sort of stuff towards Kyon to the point he pisses Kyon off, and Nagato cannot dumb things down for someone if her life depended on it, so Kyon oftentimes doesnt have a clue as to what she is talking about.
S2 and the movie made Nagato the FMC
>>283090006it appeals to me
>>283090409The anime is basically a 1:1 adaptation of the novels. Well, a few things are missing but not much. It's perfectly relevant.
>>283073011This Aya threads were everywhere and everyone either wanted to fuck her or was tsundere for her
>>283073651Anime came to the US way before that.The modern fandom started in the late 80s at college campuses.
>>283090381Thanks
>>283072935the tiktok dance ED theme
>>283086539>>283072935It's like Evangelion. It's really only relevant to anime fans at the time.
So to summarize:the reasons are1. Catchy op. and tiktok trend ed.2. Music composed by Satoru Kōsaki and Aki Hata3. Fluid animation by Kyoani4. Supernatural elements that make the show feel deeper than it actually is5. Moe female cast in a disguised Harem
>>283091712Nah, it's just a great novel with a top tier adaptation. It also makes newfags seethe with is a nice bonus.
>>283091712>deepIt's as deep as it appears, when Koizumi makes his pseud explanations, he's absolutely taken as a pseud in-universe. He's the 2ddep4u pretty boy for chunni girls and he's absolutely jealous of Kyon's "realness" in comparison, as if he's stuck as a fake character.
>>283090086I need to save this if I didn't already somewhere back in 2006.
>ep1.pngHere's your problem. Why do you watch the version that killed the franchise instead of the one that was the AOTD?
>>283093454Because the novels and the Blue Rays are in chronological orderThe broadcast order is just a gimmick
>>283093576It's only in chronological for season 2's rebroadcast. Broadcast matters. Although chronological still works.
>>283093576>the novels are in chronological orderThey're not.
I think Haruhi is deep. Its entire existence is kind of fascinating because it's riffing/parodying tropes and also creating new ones at the same time. Its hard to tell if Yuki looks like Rei because Haruhi is an otaku that saw Eva in universe or the author just included it because he liked it. Just shit like this is more thought provoking than 99 percent of anime and even without it haruhi stands on its own merits.
Do newfags hate haruhi because they dont understand the references or they just think theyre above the show because they recognize some of them? Either way anyone who hates on Haruhi outs themselves as having shit taste. Its still one of the best and most wildly creative things anime has ever had to offer.
>>283094550The author said the inspiration for Yuki was a club member that Tanigawa knew in high school.But her archetype, her hairstyle, her demeanor and even her voice is Rei-like to the point that the thought of her not being inspired or even being a ripoff of rei is laughable.To be fair Kuuderes are the pnly archetype that is not annoying
>>283090006
>>283094599As someone said before, the paranormal aspects of the show are nothing but smoke and mirrors and the SoL aspects... Well, they are just SoL aspects, nothing interesting, and Azumanga Daioh and Haibane Renmei do a better job at them.Dennou Coil is from the same time period and is far more interesting at blending sci-fi with SoL.
>>283074860>I watched in chronological orderOpinion safely and firmly discarded directly into the trash
>>283095196its not smoke and mirrors though, its literally central to the series.
>>283095196>Azumangah DaiohCouldn't be more different from Haruhi. What a retarded comparison. Holy shit I hate newfags with passion.
>>283088785>ripoffIt was a blatant homage, anon.
>>283095056>The author said the inspiration for Yuki was a club member that Tanigawa knew in high school.He said she was based on Kazusa Yuki from Operation Fairy. Like, he literally wrote the gust afterword for the modern reprints of volume 3 of Operation Fairy and flat-out said "yeah, it's no secret that Nagato Yuki is based on Kazusa Yuki. I thought the idea of the most powerful character being a girl who remains mostly silent and inexpressive was cool."
>>283095358explain how
>>283095465It's a fucking 4koma. This is retarded.
>>283095497dont engage with trolls, haruhi haters always rely on stupid non arguments "its bad becausee the dance was popular, its just an inferior *show its nothing like at all*"
>>283095567Honestly I agree, the thread had some good actual discussion between fans but this OP bait is really getting stupid.
>my first subbed non-Toonami animethat's why
>tfw zoomer that was in diapers when it aired, watched it a couple weeks ago and loved itFelt like I really should have been there though (also Endless Eight must have been different to experience over weeks)>>283095465You are legit 70 IQ if you think they’re comparable just because they both take place in a high school setting
>>283095497Doesn't matter, both shows belong to the genre of Slice of Nothing Happens.Haruhi just has Paranormal stuff to generate mistery but it doesn't do anything with it until the movie, but again, this thread is abot the show
>>283072935I always liked how Koizumi is masterfully crafted to be the right amount of creepy perfection to always make you wonder when he's going to betray the others. The fact he's basically the most loyal of the band makes it even better.
>>283095821Koizumi and Kyon coming together in Snowy Mountain Syndrome was easily one of my favorite parts
If you watched the show in chronological order, anything you have to say about it simply doesn't matter at all. Your opinion is virtually worthless. It's like saying you watched 2 episodes of EE and said, "yeah, I got it, time to move on" then claiming you watched the show. Most shows are made and released chronologically and you dont have to think about the order, except if there are OVAs or something you want to place inbetween. But when a show is deliberately released in a unique order, there is a purpose behind it. Part of the reason season 1 works so well is because of the scattered storytelling giving an air of mystery, wonder, and whimsey. I simply cannot comprehend the mind of someone, and will never take the opinion seriously of, a person who did not watch the adventures of Mikuru film episode first before anything else. That episode being first colors the entire show in the exact light you should be watching it. If you saw how they made the movie first, you ruined the show for yourself. Troglodyte behavior and thinking.
>>283095837>coming togetherI bet it was you fucking homo
it's just kino like that
>>283095983>pov: you are yuki watching helplessly as haruhi is about to make you experince the past 8 days again for the fifteen-thousanth-two-hundred-and-twenty-first time
>>283095923>giving an air of mystery, wonder, and whimseySo basically a gimmick, you are defending a gimmick to make the show feel smarter and callling me a troglodyte in the process, are you retarded?If the show is in chronological order in the blue rays, and the novels are in chronological order up to the part that’s adapted in the movie, the ones falling for a trick whose only purpose is to make the series look better than it is are those who watch it in broadcast order.
>>283096243>i-it's a gimmick!!You do not realize how stupid you sound>watch the show out of order>complain you did not enjoy it very much>others tell you you're fucking stupid for watching it out of order>>N-NO NO NO NO NO YOU ARE STUPID AND THE SHOW IS STUPID I AM NOT STUPID I AM NOTyou're really fucking stupid man
>>283096243The novels aren't in chronological order and the show is deliberately built around broadcast order by changing the way things are shown. You lack critical media literacy
>>283096247People underselling the cinematography of season 2 still get me angry.>>283096324Nice.
>>283096622They are, the show and the movie cover up the fifth novel, up to that point the novels are in chronological order
>>283072935It wasn't really a parody as >>283072977 said but it's more like it it hit on basically EVERY hot topic in otaku culture at the time and had a good anime adaptation. 2006 was also around the time otaku culture was about to peak and Haruhi accelerated it. And anything that catches fire in Japan will naturally trickle down to the western fans as wellI guess ultimately, similar to how Evangelion blew up, it was right place right time
>>283095821the part in disappearance where he says hes envious of kyon has more depth, nuance and subtle implications about his character than 99 percent of anime characters and hes literally just a background character in the show.
>>283096708Disappearance is the fourth novel. Endless Eight is in the fifth one. So is God Knows, as well as Day of Sagittarius.
>>283096746Live Alive is in the sixth one.
>>283096708Yes, this seems like the chronological order to me.In all seriousness, a lot of the novels being "out of order" has to do with how they were compiled into volumes. If you look at the individual chapter release dates, it's pretty obvious the series being out of order wasn't really intentional.
>>283096817Even the most recent novels happened in the past, non chronological storytelling really isn't an issue with that series
>>283096380It is a gimmick tho.The show never explores or developes the supernatural elements it has, they are just there to flavor the SoL.The show airing out of order on tv to make the audience feel like they are watching some mistery or solving a puzzle doesn't make it better if there is no plot or mistery to solve and doesn't change the fact that chronological order can't make worse something that is bad by nature
>>283096850That's because the recent novels are mostly collections of ancient short stories that just didn't get a release until now. The new stories, like Tsuruya's Challenge, still have blatant references to the Sasaki incident. Kuyoh's mentioned and stuff.
>>283096740Not that subtle to be honest, and that Koizumi is not the one we know from the show
Just finished 28 ep reair + movie and I love this show
>>283096965That's literally the same guy except he doesn't have the same job. I'm pretty sure regular Koizumi feels like that on some level.
>>283097153Koizumi is hilarious. He woke up one day with special powers, became the leader of a secret organization, then went to transfer into the class of a beautiful girl who's also god that only he knows about. Dude probably thought he was going to be the main character, but ended up being the male friend. You can always tell he's a bit pissy about it, but can't really bring himself to hate Kyon since he's his only real friend.Then in the alternate world, where he finally gets his shot, it turns out Haruhi just thinks he's kind of boring and he still ends up being shoved aside for Kyon.
>>283097484I hope Kyouko gives him the recognition he deserves, dude is a real bro...
>>283096965the alternate reality timeline in disappearance has tons of implications for the original timeline, thats the whole point. Too subtle for shonentards I guess.
>>283086354So basically the standard comedy duo of the funny man and the straight man.
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>>283097659It's not exactly a Bokke Tsukkomi routine, not at all actually. This has a lot more to do with the themes than comedy, if anything.
>>283095821he's always been one of my favorites
>>283075846>It's a very well written series that explores existentialist themes that speak to many teenagersYes. This. I remember genuinely finding Haruhi's questions interesting.
>>283097484Because Kyon groomed kid Haruhi by time-travelling to Tanabata. How can Koizukeks comptete?
>>283097715Sure, it goes beyond just the comedy, but even all that other stuff is more or less analogous to what makes the funny/straight man duo work. The fundamentals of the two are essentially the same, where funny man/haruhi does something silly/chaotic, and then the straight man/Kyon gives the relatable/grounded perspective to emphasize just how silly/chaotic it is.
>>283097990Haruhi is sidelined 70% of the time.
>>283088942https://youtu.be/R5cgwB47f7I?si=It8dtIQZDML8JOEFdamn, that was actually kinda nice. You can hear that bits of the song from Haruhi were inspired by this scene. Some of the camera shots too.
>>283097484>You can always tell he's a bit pissy about itHow? He only says he loves her in the alternative reality, a reality where he is close to her.In the series is the other way around, Kyon is the one who gets annoyed by his presence.
>>283096649I was really enjoying s1 on my first time watching, then God Knows comes on out of absolutely NOWHERE and blew me away. I was fucking stunlocked at that episode. My opinion of Haruhi as a show just fuckin skyrocketed
>>283098635God Knows gets a lot better when you know the context too (the Melancholy finale)
>>283097620Meh, i also thought that when i watched the movie, but he shows no signs of being in love with her in the show
>>283098714You know he has a job right
>>283072935Otaku were in loved with Aya Hirano. That's all there is to it. Notice how the IP immediately collapsed the moment she had a scandal.
>>283098714>>283098758Doesn’t the scene when they’re stargazing in Endless Eight imply that when he suggests Kyon should embrace her?
>>283099084Yeah, it's not so subtle. Too much for nu-/a/ probably
He has a crush on Kyon that's ill-fated because of Haruhi, not the other way around
>>283072935Memorable characters and an interesting story
>>283072935You had to be there.
>>283072935It invented the school setting.
>>283101655And time travel, aliens, and psychic powers
>>283072935The concept was novel back then. Seemingly normal highscholers thrown into surreal sci fi scenarios led by a assertive cutie is a done to death cliche by now but back in the late 00's it took the world by surprise. Also the show worked smartly into coining key iconography, a signature dance and cult -ish elements that were ripe for exploitation by the internet of that era.As you suspect it was pretty much lightning in a bottle. After a few years and a couple mishaps the shine was gone and not even the same people could recapture the glory. But it still lasted a few good years of milking with spin off series, parodies, videogames, a gajillion CDs... all the marketing vehicle.I long ago overcame my sadness that the franchise died and now I'm reminiscing about it happy that it happened. I was at the peak of my geekness when the show was on the top. It's the only time I ever attended a concert to see the voice actresses sing.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who think season 1 was better than the movie. What made Haruhi charming was the underlying manic energy the show had beneath its otherwise mundane surface. Stuff like the camera spinning around in the second episode, Haruhi's flying drop kick, or the over-the-top way Haruhi kicks Mikuru into the computer club president.The later additions to the series completely lost that aspect in favor of something much more mundane. The only real attempt at it I remember was the random scene where Kyon shoots off fireworks in one of the Endless Eight episodes. Otherwise, it felt like the franchise had all the energy drained from it. Even though the movie is good, it doesn't really have what made Haruhi memorable in the first place.
I watched this after THAT sticky and I watched in chronological order. I'll have to watch broadcast sometime but damn...I fucking robbed myself outta even more potent kino. Oh well...I still enjoyed the hell out of it. A lot of 00's and 90's anime have that air of mystery because of the fact that when you're watching them, you're dealing with a different culture but also because I think the direction, VA's, and music were all 2nd to none. They knew when to shift scenes, knew when to split characters off into more intimate scenes, and knew when to cut the music and use atmosphere instead. Haruhi used this direction and made it occur for entire episodes and took the series format and constructed one long arc that builds and climaxes and trails off and calms down. A lot of great shows do that. Also shows back then had restraint when it came to the pacing. I think Zoids, Trigun, and other 90's shows using the tracking shot of the environment to slow down the story really helped with immersion. Haruhi had this kind of with their shots of scenes around the school but also with Kyon's monologues/commentary. Pokemon did this with minor interactions and focusing on each new detail about a character or a Pokemon. Kyon and Haruhi hiding their developing feelings and only giving glimpses is basically how a lot of romance should be treated if you want a slowly dveloping main romance. At least imo.
>>283101655>>283101729IS THIS REAL????
>>283104386No but there really weren't that many school anime or more specifically animes about a school club before Haruhi
>>283104508It's literally the perfect settingThat's why Haruhi is special
>>283104508This. Haruhi didn't invented the setting but it helped explode in popularity. For the next decade every anime with a school setting tried to be the next Haruhi Suzumiya.
>>283072935>and honestly I don’t get why it was considered such a big deal.Probably already been answered in 300 posts but it boils down to>the 90s was half a dozen gun shooty kind of shows with good animation>early 00s was a lot of low quality fan-service Harem shows that were badly animated>mid-late 00s were all endless boring slice of life shows>Haruhi fucking shows up out of nowhere around 2007>interesting characters>weird plot that only makes sense the more you watch it and piece it together>viral dance set to a catchy ED (this was 70% of its success, I was living in Japan when Haruhi aired and shit was literally fucking everywhere at the time)>its fucking different in a time where we had 10 years of SoL shows and Haremshit.
>>283074304Modern shows do this too. Like how Nagatoro adds random side characters no-one cares about. Or how Komi-san adds random side characters no-one cares about.
>>283105726>its fucking differentAbsolutely nothing is different about Haruhi. The characters are all built from popular tropes, the story and setting themselves were standard for fan service harem shows including the setup of each heroine having a focus arc that followed standard patterns for a boy unraveling the heart and complex backstory of a mystery girl. Haruhi does the opposite of showing up out of nowhere, it showed up at the end of the party. Even its introspective and meta elements were nothing new. Your characterizations of the 90s and 00s are terrible as well. All of the tropes and theories that Haruhi uses already existed in the 90s.
Overhyped and jacked off to oblivion. Mediocre at best.
>>283106328>The characters are all built from popular tropesThis is literally every japanese piece of media ever. They have no concept of originality and to them, its more preferable that the audience instantly recognise easily identifiable character tropes. This is true for manga, anime, tv shows and movies as well. If you're going to enjoy any sort of Japanese media you have to accept that tropism is just something you'll get in every show.
>>283106382That's how all culture works
I would do unspeakable things for more of the spinoff.
>>283097153Koizumi has expressed his jealousy of Kyon over how much Haruhi clearly loves him in both universes, and on two non-consecutive occasions.The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya:>"You keep glancing around. Are you looking for someone in particular? There's no need to worry. We've been taking turns watching over you so there would be someone around when you woke up. Asahina should be coming soon.">Koizumi gave me a funny look. The look you'd give a friend who completely fell for an April Fools' joke, while laughing at him on the inside. What was that look for?>"No, I was just feeling a bit jealous. Or envious, if you please."From The Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya:>Koizumi chuckled softly. The hell was that? You're creeping me out.>"No, I wasn't laughing at you. I was just feeling envious.">Envious of what?>"Of the invisible bond of trust between you and Suzumiya.">"You're going to feign ignorance? No, it's possible that you don't realize how Suzumiya trusts you and you, in turn, trust her.">How would you know who I trust?>"Let us assume that we lose the game next week. However, you believe that Suzumiya will not produce closed space as a result. This would be an example of your trust. Likewise, Suzumiya also believes that you will surely lead us to victory. Another example of trust. She was willing to bet brigade members because she genuinely believes that we cannot lose. Neither of you may express it in words, but the two of you are connected by an almost ideal bond of trust.">I fell into a well of silence. Why didn't I have a response for him? Because Koizumi's speculation more or less hit the nail on the head? I'll let the experts handle the question of whether or not I trust her, but it's true that I don't expect a rampage to break out in Haruhi's mental world.And then, there's this: >>283099084.
>>283072935I lived through that era. Back then, the anime that was in vogue was psychological anime (such as Evangelion, Lain, Paranoia Agent, Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy), action anime (such as Mezzo Forte, FMA 2003), nekketsu (Naruto, Bleach), edgy (such as Gantz, Elfen Lied), and comedy anime were divided between ecchi (Girls Bravo) and school romcoms (School Rumble, FMP Fumoffu).Haruhi Suzumiya was the first anime to bring a different kind of comedy. It was a school anime that wasn't a romcom, wasn't ecchi, but wasn't a totally absurd comedy like Azumanga Daioh either. It was a very funny MOE slice-of-life anime, unlike anything that had been done before, presented in a disorderly, experimental way, without a chronological storyline, which required a bit of effort to follow. It had a very good opening and an ending with a dance that went viral. It also had a very good insert song at the school festival (God Knows).The three main girls were very waifuable, even before the term became popular. And Kyon was a character that a boy who lived in the late 90s and early 2000s could identify with because of his Daria-like attitude, very 90s, skeptical, ironic, cynical.Haruhi Suzumiya series wasn't as difficult to process as the psychological anime that were popular at the time. It was a light comedy with a bit of science fiction, but it was more of a slice of life. However, it wasn't a silly series like the ecchi anime of the time.Haruhi had an overwhelming personality, Yuki Nagato was the epitome of a kuudere character, surpassing Rei Ayanami, since Yuki was moe, cute, and adorable. And Mikuru Asahina was cute, very moe.And I would say that it was the first anime to consolidate SoL moe as a genre, before K-ON!The color palette was very fresh and the designs were somewhat avant-garde. The whole anime looked very modern.Perhaps now it doesn't stand out as something striking, because since then all school comedies have copied all the elements that made it successful.
>>283090931Except the bassist
Man even though I didn't actively watch anime back then I could tell there was a shift in the whole paradigm, a pre and post haruhiSuddenly anime was all about the cute girls.
>>283106643Well perhaps he shouldn't be so fucking BORING all the damn time
>>283107815Fair enough, but the next questions are: What is so magnificent about moe? What about that genre is supossed to be interesting? I only see cute girls doing bullshit with annoyibg voices and fetishes here and there
>>283108931Allow me to explain this as simply as possible. Where do you see those things BESIDES moe?
>>283108953In almost every anime that has female characters, even in seinen
>>283108953Also, what kind of person gets entertained by that? Neets? Nostalgfags? Pedophiles?
>>283103257Ive seen your opinion thrown around a few times, and this more than anything else is entirely down to subjective preference rather than any objective metric. To you and the others that share your opinion what you valued in Haruhi was the exciting, manic energy, the unpredictability, the wackiness, bolstered by the broadcast order that makes the series appear more like this than it actually is by breaking up the otherwise quite plot heavy Melancholy arc, and interposing it with stories from later in the timeline.OTH people like myself value the characters, the growth, their struggles, and the themes they help explore throughout the series, to us, as such we value Disappearance above all other stories in the franchise (apart from Surprise for some), as it provides these things at their absolute very best.And Im not saying that you dont value the things we value, or that we dont value the things you value, our subjective preference arent 100% absolute things, I am just saying that we ultimately prefer one of these things more than the other, which causes this sentiment in you that season 1 is better than the movie, whereas someone like myself will consider that preposterous as I consider to be one of the greatest pieces of animation in history.
DESU the last time I rewatched Disappearance I realized the scenes were ridiculously padded for time probably just to seem epic and break a world record
>>283109503They were padded for time to make them more dramatic, which I get for some of the earlier scenes that seem rather mundane without greater context seems a bit silly, but after that early bit the drama seems completely appropriate for what its shown, they werent trying to break any record, they were just trying to adapt the LN as faithfully as possible, whilst also improving upon it every step of the way.
>>283087706>such a minor detailIs literally stuff that would make anyone crazy.30 years of Eva and japanese writers didn't learn shit from Shinji and company
>>283076170Eh... Did you forget he was about to live alone at Nerv HQ if Misato hadn’t stepped in?
>>283076272>All of Haruhi's actions actually get her quite ostracized for a whileNot really, girls admire her for her athletic abilities and even ask her to join clubs.In real life, at best, people would think she was crazy the moment she gave her class presentation and ostracize her to the point where it would be hard to watch.At worst, they would bully her so much that, in typical Japanese fashion, she would end up committing suicide.
No one IRL is this retarded, Haruhi organizes a meeting to find paranormal beings, without any plannig whatsoever -B-but it was an excuse to be alone with Kyon!Then she could come up with a better excuse.I understand Nagato, Koizumi and Mikuru humoring her, but Kyon? Up to this point he only knew what Nagato told him and didn't believe her, no one would spend their fucking saturday meeting with a crazy bitch unless is for sex.So both Haruhi and Kyon are retards
>>283110240It's said more or less in the movie that Kyon secretly wants the fun/chaos that Haruhi brings into his life. That is why he humors her.
Which style was more to your liking?
>>283072935It was the first LN adaptation to be meta and popularized a bunch of stuff, nowadays it feels much less special as other good shows in the same vein have come out over the years
>>283072935>I’ve been revisiting The Melancholy of Haruhi SuzumiyaI for one never watched Haruhi and I thought it was shit when it was popular on /a/ back then and I still think it's shit now. The fact that no one talks about it these days (positively), other than 1-2 posters ITT who are seething and coping no doubt, is proof that I had been right then and I'm right now.
>>283110481After all they done, that scene is literally from their first from their first meeting, before Asakura attacked him even
>>283110888You just dont get it, at the time we thought we would all be Kyon one day, he was so us definitely what we looked and acted like
>>283074860>i watched in chronological orderThere's your explanation then. The hype was built off of the broadcast order.
>>283110888>I never watched Haruhi and I think it's shit>>>/v/
>>283111257Broadcast order was just marketing
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>>283111904Yes. Are you unaware that the point of marketing is to build hype? It succeeded.>reeee why was this show popularmarketing. really good, creative marketing.
Those who insist that the ‘true order’ is the broadcast one are defending more of a historical curiosity than a narrative purpose.
>>283085044That's everything popular ever.>>283073371Kyon is a very unique protagonist in how sarcastic he is without being so completely jaded that he doesn't engage with the plot. Then the rest of the SOS brigade are basically what would be the protagonists of their own completely separate plots all shoved together in one room. It's like a joke with the setup "3 scifi/fantasy MCs, God, and a snarky bastard walk into a room".
>>283109013True patricians of utmost superiority over everyone including themselves.
>>283110240I too should go tour the city all day long looking for some mysteries.
NAGATO WINZ
>>283110610They're both fine but it does get a little funny just how much S2 Asahina turns into Yui from K-ON
>>283112172The narratives remain perfectly functional at every level and any piece of art is an historical curios anyway. It was aired like this damnit, like a rebellious remix of a song and also an additional meta trait of character with Kyon and Haruhi constantly arguing about which number is the next episode. The argument is part of the show.
