Why was this so controversial again?It's a side character fighting the main villain what did people expect kek.
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>>283089527I am just so happy Gojofags got utterly BTFO
He was a gay icon
>>283089527every new generation has their time to experience tropes/archetypes for the first time
Gege is a fucking hack fuck him and Yuta
>>283089527It was an offscreen, random way to end the fight. Extremely boring. Instead of showing us, the author decided to spend the entire chapter having the narrator and villain explain how it worked. Guy just sucks at story telling and fights without that editor from the first half
>>283089660Gojo being killed like that adds tension and shock value
>>283089697Yeah, sure. I hear the next series the main villain is an alien or something now.
It's not just a side-character, it's a side-character beloved by the series' fans. Have you ever imagined if your most beloved character got hard-sidelined for the MC to hog **all** the spotlight?
>>283089742>I hear the next series the main villain is an alien or something nowWhy does everyone want to copy Z so badly? It only worked there because 1. Earth in that setting was very advanced. 2. Goku clearly wasn't a normal person so him being from another planet made sense.
>>283089755Why should the author bend his knee to the fans it's his story
>>283089527>main villainKenjaku was still around. Then he got done in by a gag character and it became clear Sukuna was the endgame.
>>283089763I know dragon ball did it first but isn't more accurate dying they are copying Naruto?Kaguya and osotsuku being aliens.The final enemy in Nanatsu I think was one too? Not sure.And now Modulo.
>>283089935That too, my point being that it feels out of nowhere
>>283089943Yeah that's why I point at Naruto, it was the first one to do it in such a shitty incomprehensible way. And suddenly you have other series following the same example
>>283089527There was a chance that Sukuna would lose and Kenjaku would end up being the final villain.
Offscreened. And the previous chapters were all showcasing Gojo winning via technique and momentum. Sukuna basically rules lawyered him here, like a kid on the playground>prev chapter ends on "Gojo wins">my special slash hits you>I have infinity it can't hit me>my super special slash hits the world, existence, space itself>ouchie you win Sukekna
>>283089763>Goku clearly wasn't a normal person so him being from another planet made sense.It was a parallel to Superman, anon. Goku is just Superman+Sun Wukong.
>>283089778But it's the fans that make it popular, or else, how can a manga be a best-seller if no-one is going to read?
>>283090084Same shit when Ace got killed even today Acefujos seethe yet they keep reading
>>283089660That was actually one of my favourite moments. From the PoV of Gojo it was something he didn't see/expect so it makes sense that the next thing he knows, he's already dead.Because ff the characters have time to realize they're about to die, they have time to dodge. It bothers me in so many shonen. Though personally, I would have preferred if the previous chapters' last panel looked like pic related to convey it better.
>>283089527I called this when the fight started. Gojo had really no win condition while Sukuna could essentially try as long as he wanted until he overcame Gojo's infinity. Anyway, I thought the fight afterwards was way more offensive. During Gojo vs Sukuna buildings get shredded and half the neighborhood gets nuked, shit was a total spectacle but afterwards a recovered(?) Sukuna turns into a braindead punching bag for what felt like 50 chapters.
>>283090291But he can't dodge that attack, it's impossible.
In the end, did Gege succed in making you love Yuta?
>>283089527The story went to shit after this fight
>>283090490I always loved Yuta
redditslop
Iconic death that may be remembered longer than the series itself
oh my binding vow
>>283089527Its the way it went down that was gay, everybody was sorta expecting Gojo to die or be out of out of commission. I personally despise all the story bending Gege did with all the shit he pulled from his ass to make things happen and maybe even worse were the things he didn't do or never addressed. Overall the ending just sucked.
>>283090492Nah. Kenjaku Vs Comedy Man was fucking kino and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Everyone has their first shonen.
>>283089527>Gege killed off Gojo just to have Yuta used his body
>>283090476World Slash is dodgeable (as demonstrated by Kashimo). So it's reasonable to assume that Gojo thought Infinity would protect him but then BAM he wakes up in the afterlife because it did, in fact, hit and kill him before he realized it's lethal.
>>283090490>>283090596If he loved Yuta so much why not make him the MC
>>283089527Gojo was literally the only protagonist character with any charisma or stage presence. There's a reason that the Culling Games is considered a bad arc, because it is a bunch of unlikeable or uncharismatic protagonists milling about instead of the character people actually read the series for. The other issue was that there were two potential final villains (3, actually) at the time. Sukuna, Kenjaku, and the Merger. The last one being the build up apocalypse tier villain. The issue was that it wasn't clear how all 3 could be satisfyingly concluded. Sukuna dying to Gojo was entirely possible within that scenario. As-is, Kenjaku had a gimmick fight and then got basically off-screened, the Merger never popped-off, and Sukuna got shoved into being the final villain. In this way we see that there really wasn't an obvious solution to the conundrum that Gege had set up with 2/3 end-game villains running around. So before that point almost anything was possible because something had to give.
>>283090682As well, the way that Gojo died was pretty pathetic from a writing standpoint, and its obvious how bad it was because Sukuna never did it again.
>>283089527Q: “When did Sukuna make the Binding Vow to cut down Gojo?”A: “Sometime after Kusakabe said he won. The reason he was cut down was also bc he had let his guard down after destroying Mahoraga. By this point, Gojo thought Sukuna no longer had a way to bypass Limitless. Perhaps Gojo under normal circumstances would’ve been able to sense it and narrowly avoid fatality.”
>>283090492the whole fight was shit and pointless asspulls filler domain spam, remove the domain chapters and nothig would change
>>283090750Kek gaygay is such a shitter
>>283090750>Fight against the big bad himself>Let's his guard downTARDjo
>>283090752Fuck off. The Domain battle was exactly what should happen in a battle of their level.People already correctly speculated that endgame Jujutsu battles would just be a matter of Domain Expansion application and I'm glad Gege not only followed up with that but explored many possibilites that only someone of Gojos and Sukunas caliber could do. If you weren't interested in the Domain exchange you never liked JJK in the first place, I'll just say it how it is.
>>283090682>Gojo was literally the only protagonist character with any charisma or stage presence.Gojo was less popular than Megumi and Yuji for the entirety of the manga, except for the very last popularity poll.
>>283091040>Gojo was less popular than Megumi and Yuji for the entirety of the manga, except for the very last popularity poll.Lmao
>>283089697No need. Realistically they should have been utterly fucked, but the story bend itself to accommodate their win, and I don't mean Yuji's soul punches. That was a smart setup. By the way they did not really overcome Sukuna. Uraume was right. They beat him by exploiting the body hopping weakness, but never overcame his overwhelming. Basically they won the war, but lost the fight.
>>283089527its still not explained how he killed gojo
>>283089742They're interacting with aliens but the theme is cohexistance, so there is no main villain.Funnily enough the leader of the aliens is called Dabura.>>283090476Both Maki and Kashimo dodged it.>>283090490I like Yuta, possibly my favorite character.
>>283091336It was, he copied Magoraga's second adaptation to neutral limitless to cut space, and used a binding vow adding conditions to his future world-cutting slashes to use it without conditions, not letting Gojo notice the alteration.
>>283089527Biggest KWAB in a long time
Sukuna sucks, I didn't want him to win
>>283091849>t.Gojo
>>283091874Gojo just wanted to teach him love.
>>283091921Should have raped him then
>>2830895271) Gege teased from the start of the series that Gojo thought he'd win, and with all of the talk about "not being your average shonen", Gege still decided to kill off Gojo rather than doing the actual genre subversive thing and having Gojo kill Sukuna. Brainlets cried and complained that it would have broke the tension against Kenjaku, but Gege could have just written Bumgumi was so mindbroken that he accidentally releases the megacurse. Gege easily could have just depowered Gojo as a result of the Sukuna fight. But nah, Gege decided to be a hack and pull out some bullshit move that was never hinted or teased because reasons.
>>283091994That sounds terrible. No one wants to fight a mindless megacurse. I guarantee you that if that came to be, EVERYONE would complain about Sukuna being a wasted character, and that the final villain monster has no personality and no conflict with our heroes.I'm so glad Gege was in charge because every I see "fixes" from /jjk/, it's much much worse.
Sukuna was the villain so Gojo was obviously going to be a hype tool for him
>>283091994>>283092132Also>pull out some bullshit move that was never hinted or teased because reasons.Sukuna being able to copy techniques after seeing them once was established.Mahoraga bypassing Infinty thanks to its adaptation was established.Omitting activation chants via Binding vow was established.You could have come to the same conclusion as Sukuna during pic related, which was 2 chapters before he used it.Just admit you got outwitted and didn't pay enough attention. I have done that myself 2 weeks after Gojos loss.
>>283092242Sukuna can't "copy" techniques at all, the fuck? Talk about not paying attention, dumbfuck. lmao
>>283089778Based
>>283092317He can copy techniques, not Techniques. He can replicate almost all non-CT applications of sorcery, is the point.
>>283091994>Gege decided to be a hack and pull out some bullshit move that was never hinted or teased because reasons.If you ignore all the blatant exposition of course like Sukuna saying to Mahoraga that he needs to show him a way to get through infinity another way and then Mahoraga cuts Gojo's arm off through infinity while Sukuna react positively to it of course.Retarded nigger.
Sukunafags sent death threats to Gege to change the outcome of the fight
People call it off-screen but all we really miss is the impact. Remember the binding vow is just "WCS without any prep" so it was literally Sukuna looking at him and then Gojo getting cut
>>283090657his editors keep cucking him from his true vision
>>283093723Editors can be either based or fags this seems to be the latter in this case
>>283089603He was gay satoru gojo?
>>283089527he was winning the fight only to be killed offscreen
>>283093783No he wasn't
>>283089527Because main villains always lose to side characters in shonen
>>283094186Fuck Kishimoto
The result was good for the story, Gojo needed to die, but the execution was terrible.It was the exact same situation as Yamamoto vs Yhwach in Bleach, it could have been a great fight and Yama deserved to at least be very high-diffed, but instead noooo, Yuhabahha was just a clone and now the real one just appears, zero actual fight, just stole the bankai and Yama stood there without even trying to defend himself from the big telegraphed sword slash.
>>283089527this didn't need to happen considering how the series ended it didn't improve the ending if anything it made it worse due to prolonging the dogshit fight for no reason
>>283089527Last chapter didn't show signs of Gojo losing, then the chapter comes out and it starts with a flashback of Gojo leading to the infamous page where he's split in half with Sukuna having a big smug grin and basically saying a "you're awesome, Satoru Gojo" Kengan line. It was fucking hilarious.
>>283094404What else could he do? Yamamoto had nothing to counter with and he has only one arm.
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>>283094186Loved that, Madara was worse than Kaguya for the story.>it could have been a great fight and Yama deserved to at least be very high-diffedI don't get why you say it's the same then, Sukuna went extreme-diff, he almost died, and Gojo was the only reason Sukuna could be fought at all, rather than every single good character beside Ryuken and Isshin being worthless.
>>283095294I never read this series
>>283094428It improved it massively by a narrative standpoint, Gojo defeating Sukuna would be completely lacking from a narrative standpoint, compared to how it went.
>>283094439Not even a flashback, it was Gojo in the afterlife confirming right away he died.
If you're not going to have side characters actually accomplish anything, they shouldn't be in the story in the first place. They serve no purpose, all they do is pad things out.
>>283095408Gojo killing Sukuna was better than the alternative that we got, where Kenjaku (the narratively stronger villain) was sidelined.
>>283095459You have no idea what writing a story is about
>>283095459>A side character is only useful if he beats a main villain
Who would win; Gojo or Hiroshi Nohara?https://x.com/niwaka05/status/1979132781340037293
>>283091316Who gives a shit how you win?Sukuna died and most of the people he wanted to kill livedIn the end, that's all that matters
>>283090616Sukuna made a Binding Vow to make it appear directly on Gojo's body in exchange for having to do the whole chant every time afterwards
>>283095663Gojo
>>283090018Goku was Superman, but this is definitely copying Dragonball by adding aliens in a sequel series
>>283089763>Earth in that setting was very advancedLiterally just one city
Anybody other than Yuji killing Sukuna would've been retarded and narratively unsatisfying
>>283095897>Literally just one cityEveryone has Capsule corp products
>>283095663
>>283089527>Why was this so controversial again?there was little real discussion because it was mostly spammed as<<popular character dies in shocking way>> spoiler abuseit literally happens every time there's a big show by gatekeeping autismos who love tospam spoil popular things.case in point eren.
>>283095960It'd just be equivalent to what happened to Kenjaku.
>>283094350>Fuck Kishimotokishi filters pseuds 10 years later who don't recognize Icarus flying too close to the sun. let me guess you are upset it was not a dragonball type fight.
>>283090750>Perhaps Gojo under normal circumstances would’ve been able toHe had just landed consecutive black flashes and was literally fighting at his peak... I will never accept this explanation.
>>283096877>Kaguya was actually great guys!Kys
>>283096915...you...
>>283096688Yeah, and people complained about itBut at least Kenjaku didn't really have any strong personal connections to any of the good guys except perhaps Choso
>>283096915>show with heavy mythological elements >susanoo, yamata no orochi, izanagi, izanami>oh no how dare they use another mythological charactershounen fags i swear
>>283097135>Character that had little to no forshadowing is le good because mythological elementsLmao, fucking cocksucker
>>283097251>muh forshadowingshounen fags i swear
Madara fags lack self awareness, take away muh cool factor and he’s part of why the war arc is mediocre. Him being the mastermind behind Pain’s rinnegan and Obito’s fall ruins their stories. Kishi loved pulling the "puppet master villain" bullshit to the point it became a joke. Plus, I don’t care all that much for power scaling but he broke the series
>>283097135>>283097327Shows with interesting concepts and mythological references are everywhere. It means nothing if the execution is bad.
>>283097384This.
>>283097373>but he broke the seriesin other words he was "Icarus flying too close to the sun."
>>283089527I don't know but it certainly killed any hype or enthusiasm the series had going.I guess the author thought people cared about sukuna as a character to see beaten but really his manga was the Gojo show from the moment he showed up till the moment he died.
>>283097422>it certainly killed any hype or enthusiasm the series had going.for whom. the trailer for the new season got like 10 million views in a day. that's kimetsu numbers.
>>283090518>Iconic jobbing that may be remembered longer than the series itselfFTFY
It's been more than two yearsGet over it
>>283097441For Gojofags
>>283097444>>283090518every time I see him
I don't care about his writing, Madara was ENTERTAINING. Naruto and Sasuke got new, final power ups. It had the potential to be a fun ass fight, with crazy powerscaling shenanigans, and at least Storm 4 realized that. The story was already fucked by the time the war started, so it may as well have went out with a messy bang in Madara, rather than a unremarkable whimper in Kaguya.
>>283097652Qrd?
Anyone have that webm of Gojou in a clown make up, then theres a half body on the floor? Kinda hard to describe but its an irl photo taped to a wall.
>>283098470This one?
>>283098537Holy fuck HAHAHHAHAA
>>283098537Beautiful
>>283098537You will never be a main character. You have no reverse CT, you have no legs, you have no pulse. You are a homosexual man cleaved in half into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.All the “validation” you get is from fat gay pedophiles and ugly trannies. Behind your back people mock you. Shounen CHADS are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” are jobbing to Heian GODkuna and Maki got raped.Shounen CHADS are utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds of chapters of reading have allowed us to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even real women who post about you look retarded and flabby to a shounenCHAD. Your fanbase is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to return in a flash back, you will always be known to normies as the guy who lost as soon as they get a whiff of your rotten, bleeding, bisected corpse.FRAUDjo will never come back. You wrench out a fake smile every single thread and tell yourself it’s bad writing but deep inside you feel GODkunas win creeping up like a weed, ready to crush your hopes under GODkunas phallic might.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - they'll buy some time, hit his soul, use all their CT, and they'll still be put into the cold ground. Your parents will find you, heartbroken and confused that their son is sperging over his fictitious gay love interest not being avenged. SUKUNA will bury g*jo with a headstone marked "jobber #1", and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a midcarder is buried there. His body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of his legacy is a pair of leg bones and Sukuna's semen.
>>283098537That one, thank you. Makes me laugh so hard every time.
>>283098775No problem man
>>283097135Kaguya was an asspull only introduced to set up Boruto. Her entire existence is a retcon.
>>283098836Don't bother he will strawman you or just cope really hard, no one and I say no one thought that shit was good at all
>>283098537KEK
>>283096881His brain was fucked dripping blood. What are you on about
>>283089527The bullshit part is gojo getting offscreened like that, especially when the condition to win where boring “silent binding vows”.I personally think the better solution for the world cut slash would’ve been having sukuna merging into the final form during the chant, opening the second mouth and the extra arms while casting the slash.Then, in its empowered form, gojo realizes too late that the dismantle can actually bypass his infinity.Done.So gojo get a better death since sukuna genuinely tricked him , but also forced sukuna into his final form and had the chance to see the “magnificent full power sukuna”>but kashimoFuck him! He is too irrilevant at the end of the day.
>>283089755The MC can't 'hog' spotlight from a side character, that's not how it works. Yuji is already one of the least-spotlighted shounen MC's of recent history, if he didn't get the final dub he would be truly useless.
>>283090682>There's a reason that the Culling Games is considered a bad arcOnly Gojostans say this, though. I actually liked the fights in the early Culling Games. Yuta's group fight and Yuji vs Kusakabe especially.
>>283089527He was too strong to win.
>>283100625Gojofags want to act like he was the MC
>>283090567It's a great fight that crippled the broader story. Killing off Kenjaku so suddenly cut all his plot threads short and just left us with Sukuna, who was basically just a wall for the cast to beat their heads on for a while.
>>283089527Gojo had to die, but off screening it was a tacky subversion.
Kakashi and Piccolo were a mentor characters yet didn't get killed off what was even the point of Gojo dying in the grand scheme of things
>>283089527>It's a side characterWorse than that, he is the older mentor. Like Roshi, Jiraiya, even Kamina. They always have to either die or lose badly to pass the torch to the next generation. The only way he could win was if his victory brought an even stronger villain for the actual protagonists to fight.
>>283089527The problem with the ending is that it fucks with the entire premise of the series as a fighting manga. Sukuna bound himself with having to say a short phrase every time afterwards, in order to use his brand new one hit kill technique, in order to instantly spawn it on top of his otherwise almost immortal opponent. While still being able to use his normal slashes whenever necessary. There is no reason that everyone wouldn't be doing stuff like this whenever they were corned. Gojo could have done the exact same with Purple and instantly spawned one in his hand the first time that Sukuna was KO'd and ended the fight at the trade off of having to sing a song to do it again in the future. Yuki would have instantly collapsed Kenjaku into a singularity in exchange for having to clap her hands three times to do it again in the future. Geto would have done that to empower his absorption and stole Rika from Yuta. The trade off is asinine and doesn't explain why every skilled sorcerer isn't doing it all the time for the more menial of exchanges. Anyone trying to justify the finale through any logical in-universe arguments is retarded. It isn't even slightly parsimonious.
>>283089527>Why was this so controversial again?because it was offscreen
I am still seething
>>283089697>Gojo being killed like that adds tension and shock valuetension? noshock value? yes, but not the good kindit just looks like a total fucking joke
>>283091316Why should they? They are Jujutsu sorcerers, not heroes. Use everything available to win.
>>283101258One of them were going to get killed and I doubt Gege would ever just have Sukuna die in that fight
>>283101297yes, but that's not the pointit just looks idiotic he could have killed Gojo showing off how fucking strong he isinstead, we get TOLD how he is so smart for making mahogaga tell him how to cut existence itself
>>283101083>Piccolo were a mentor characters yet didn't get killed offPic related. Which brings me to:>>283101297>One of them were going to get killedNot necessarily, it's a battle shonen. They could run away from a supposed fight to the death, you could have a fakeout death, one of them dies but it's temporary, one of them gets possessed or mind controlled and the fight ends, someone else interrupts the fight, among many other possibilities.
>>283090014>When Gojo does it it's technique and momentum>When Sukuna does it it's rule lawyeringReminder that the world slash had more setup and foreshadowing than the brain implosion Gojo used to not lose int he first stages of the fight and the black flashes that restored his CE output.
>>283101450>Not necessarily, it's a battle shonen. They could run away from a supposed fight to the death, you could have a fakeout death, one of them dies but it's temporary, one of them gets possessed or mind controlled and the fight ends, someone else interrupts the fight, among many other possibilities.Would you have prefered a draw?
>>283101489I'm not the original anon and I don't mind what we got, but there's no reason to believe it was certain one of them was gonna die permanently there.
>>283100935>Killing off Kenjaku so suddenly cut all his plot threads shortLike what? The Yuji birth plotline? Already answered in the Sukuna fight. The big curse? Who cares, I don't want the final fight to be against a mindless non-character who was only mentionned during the latter parts of the story like that. Sukuna has always been the main goal of the story from chapter 1 and I'm glad he was it's final antagonist.The Yuji plotline was already answered during the Sukuna fight.
>>283089527Only speedreaders didn’t see this coming btw. Early on in the fight we see Sukuna use a dismantle and Gojo either, 1. Barely reacted to it or 2. was blitzed entirely, since he looks shocked at first when it appears and then looks back at the damage like “holy fuck that was fast”. Sukuna even later states that only Mahoraga and Maki could “react” to his technique, not mentioning Gojo. It’s pretty explicit that Sukuna’s dismantle is just that fast. Secondly, Gojo already got caught off guard by Toji and Kenjaku, he isn’t exactly good at not dropping his guard. So yeah Sukuna taking him by surprise like this isn’t surprising. And with the whole Mahoraga aspect, basically since the first chapters Sukuna is targeting Megumi for his technique. Once he knows about Mahoraga he planned on yoinking that bitch and using it to his advantage. During the fight he says something like “come on Mahoraga, I want more from you”, to see Mahoraga adapt to Infinity in a way he can replicate, and when he does, Sukuna simply says “Good”. Sukuna was planning for this moment for a long time meanwhile Gojo went in saying “YOLO” and people are shocked Sukuna had stacked the deck against him and he dies? It was honestly masterfully done but so many people just dismiss it as “random” and “done for the plot”, like the Gojo vs Sukuna fight isn’t the best part of the entire raid.
>>283097652I'm still baffled that people still don't get that the off-screening was the whole point of the chapter (and the whole OEK arc at large). It's the punchline to the joke that was Kaneki, his attempt at playing hero and him hiding his ineptitude behind his virtue. He thought if he didn't fuck around, he wouldn't have to find out, but Furuta fucked around for him and made him eat his own shit. The whole arc being a shitshow is almost worth if for this one page alone. Dragon was basically Kaneki being a sore loser and lashing out of frustration. Little did he know, Furuta was counting precisely on him losing his shit. The dude got played like a damn fiddle, and then he got played some more. Not gonna lie, in retrospect, Furuta might actually be the best part of late :re.
>>283101615SukunaCHAD I fucking KNEEL!
>>283089527it's because the entirety of the stories focus is wanking tough guys. everything else is filler. when the most popular of the tough guy loses, embarrassingly, you naturally just pissed off 95% of your fanbase.
>>283098537lel
>>283091316Why the hell should they fight by jujutsu satan’s arbitrary honorable fight autism rules? Sukuna wanted to do kill and do whatever he wanted because his oppressive power made him the strongest, and to him might makes right. Well surprise, the majority teamed up and used underhanded tactics to kill him and protect what they care about.
>>283098537Is this the morden Yamcha death pose?
>>283089527I disliked it because the story was more interesting with Gojo as an actual in-universe hard cap to the powerscale. It was an excellent constraint that made the villains have to work so much smarter. Everything they did up to Shibuya had to specifically account for Gojo. Kenjaku had to come up with an elaborate plan to put Gojo in a position to be incapacitated without fighting him one-on-one. Then Sukuna just comes up with a special one shot move and wins? It makes sense to kill him it was just a really boring way to do it that completely wasted his character, all he did was pad out the Sukuna fight and drain some of Sukuna's nebulous 99999999 HP final boss curse energy meter. Dogshit way to end the comic and I'm still mad.
>>283101615 (me)For posterity’s sake I’ve gathered the evidence in manga of Gojo being caught off guard by Dismantle (twice even, once by Sukuna and another time by Mahoraga), as well as Sukuna’s interest in Megumi since chapter 9, he even says his full name, he acknowledges his power. And he puts in even more effort by taking an evil bath and killing Yorozu to take even further control over Megumi. Sukuna put in all the work and reaped his award. I even threw in a fun little anti-Gojo meme that shows that him getting caught off guard isn’t new.
>>283101956KWAB
>>283089527
>>283089660>offscreenThis, it was a cop out, Gege got cold feet, didn't imagine he would bitch out at the last moment instead of just showing Sukuna out-smarting Gojo.Bitch move, really drop my estimation of Gege.
Gojo's entire role was litreally just to job
>>283098537>piss bottlesThem Japs are ruthless.
>>28309853710/10
>>283100625I know both are hot af old guys, but it's Higuruma, not Kusakabe.
>>283089527Because it's fucking brutal, and a lot of shonenfaggots can't cope with that. No epic speech, no grace. He's fucking split in half and he died with a pained expression on his face. Shonenbabies aren't used to brutal realism like that
I just think it was nonsensical. Sukuna getting a sneak attack in would be fine IF the guy he was fighting wasn't someone whose entire gimmick is having special eyes that can see all kinds of secret energy. Not only that, Gojo was staring right at him and actively healing the damage from the battle while he got hit. This isn't even a case of a character being caught off guard, he could not have been more ready for an attack but I'm expected to believe that it killed him.
>>283089527>It's a side characterEveryone seething thought he was the main character.The idea of him losing was unthinkable tot hem.
>>283104559Why would a technique made by Mahoraga, specifically to counter Gojo, not be able to bypass the six eyes?
>>283104588It bypassed Infinity, not the 6 Eyes. Mahoraga can't adapt to something that isn't an attack.
The theme of the characters were different, Gojo thematically had no chance of winningSukuna had stronger conviction
>>283103233will this be fixed on the anime? seems like a good opportunity
>>283101450meh that already happened with his fight with Toji and a lot of people considered him surviving the first round a straight asspull/not executed properly
>>283089527You're gonna see that again when Shanks loses to Blackbeard.
>>283104749Lord that's going to be worse. Gojo's only farmed "aura" for like five years at best. Shanks did it for over two decades.
>>283089527>When you defeat the boss and the next cutscene shows you losing
>>283104708I hope, it would be the perfect case for it.
>>283089527I think even the biggest Gojo fanboys knew that he was going to lose but the fact that it was an offscreen hit kill is what made people mad, if the anime gives us new scenes of the attack it will improve the fight by 100%
>>283089527>Why was this so controversial again?The worst decision the author could make was off screen this part of the fight.Felt really unearned.
>>283089527Gojo losing was obvious, the sensei has to die so the apprentices can take down the big bad, oldest trope in the bookBut the fight was just so odd, with Sukuna pulling shit out of his ass and then the death blow being offscreenedAlso it doesn't help that thanks to the hidden inventory arc Gojo was an actual character while Sukuna was... just kind of there. He was an intimidating villain, sure, but that's kinda all he had
>>283105527Sukuna's simplicity is what makes him a good villain. He's a hedonist who is going around saying "Debate me bro" but unlike actual debate bros he is perfectly willing to change his mind if he loses
>>283104839kek, it was out of his control.
>off screenHe died in the last panel of 235, it was so obvious.
>>283090490JJK0 is my favorite JJK work, so I do.
>>283101191>Geto would have done that to empower his absorption and stole Rika from Yuta.Rika was literally Yuta's cursed energy. He wouldn't have been able to stole shit. He was under the misconception Rika cursed Yuta but was the other way around, that's how Yuta made her again after the real Rika passed away. Because it was always HIM.If Yuta hadn't chosen the nigen route, he would have turned into Sukuna 2.0 in a few generations because he was already possessing nearly infinite cursed energy as a kid.Yuta should have been a creepycute girl and Yuuji's love interest. His motif being love and shit.
>>283104559Sukuna made a binding vow so that he could launch world slash once for free but always require setup afterwards, I don't think it's farfetched to say he literally spawned the slash on top of Gojo so he wouldn't have the time to dodge it but it's still pretty fucky
>>283101083Part of the whole theme of the story is moving forward without the shackles of tradition and the old days holding you down.Gojo represented the peak of individual strength (on the good side), and emblem of the past with his mythical technique and Six Eyes.After his death, the sorcery world was left to his students, the next generation.
>>283108800> the sorcery world was left to his students, the next generation.And canonically they fucked up Boruto style considering what is happening in MIDuloGood job GayGay.
>>283109273>And canonically they fucked up Boruto style considering what is happening in MIDuloElaborate
>>283106134Lol
>>283104749Shanksfags already accepted he will die to BB the real meltdown is when Mihawk is shown to be undoubtedly stronger than Shanks
>>283095294Escanor's ending sucked
>>283090596The best part about jjk are the>oh shit of course he can do that Moments. We know yuta is Kirby, we know kenjaku body swaps and we know yuta snuck off to kill kenjaku but a no point did I think “oh yuta’s gonna steal the freaky Friday powers to puppet gojo’s corpse” it’s just triumphs at all the “wouldn’t it be cool if” power interactions that every other series lacks. >>283090682I think I liked all the characters enough. Todo is the most charismatic not Gojo. The thing JJk lacks is filler.
Best boy lived and got a power up.All it matters.
>>283101956>as well as Sukuna’s interest in Megumi since chapter 9, he even says his full name, he acknowledges his power. And he puts in even more effort by taking an evil bath and killing Yorozu to take even further control over Megumi. Sukuna put in all the work and reaped his award.and then gojo says that sukuna would win even without 10 shadows and this plot loses all meaning, bravo gay cat
>>283110351Based.
>>283089527>Cuckjo is dead>SEXbara is aliveAll that mattered
Greatest jobber moment ever? When all is done and forgotten this series will ultimately be remembered for this one meme line
>>283111508Miwa giving away her ability to hold a katana to strike Kenjaku and it failing because she's Miwa.
>>283110377Uraume kept glazing Sukuna that he still hadn't gone all out all the way up to the point that Sukuna died. Sukuna just tricked people by aura farming that he was way more powerful than he actually was.
>>283101487>Reminder that the world slash had more setup and foreshadowingYes and no. We knew that Sukuna was interested in Megumi from the beginning, and that Mahoraga had adapted to infinity during the fight. But the binding vow is what ruins the whole moment because it's the least understood component of JJK's systems and sukuna pulls out maybe 2 more over the course of the gauntlet he has with everyone else. Gege had a choice, they could have Sukuna look bad but skillfully out chant Gojo in the last moment to get the attack off. Or they can just let him worldlessly get it off and there's no consequences that matters because it's not like Sukuna even needed world slash for anyone else the rest of the series. The execution is the problem not the idea.
>>283111508Easily surpassed Yamcha
>>283112149>because it's the least understood component of JJK's systemsWhat we know about the role of the brain is that the cursed technique is stored inside it. What we know about binding vows is that they can be used on yourself or with someone else, that the penalty incurred by breaking them isn't worth the cost, that the gain is proportional to the loss but that it doesn't take into account every circumstances in play.The role of the brain is less understood than binding vows in JJK's power system yet I never hear any complaints regarding that or any other barely explored concept that Gojo used to save himself. Also the execution was fine, we knew that Makora had used a dismantle-like attack, that Sukuna is proficient in copying jujustu applications that aren't outright cursed techniques, we know that Gojo is supremely confident in infinity to the point that he doesn't bother dodging shit (and especially not what looked like a regular dismantle) and the tradeoff of the binding vow that Sukuna used was actually relevant to the rest of the gauntlet since without it, he would have a chantless world slash that he doesn't have to telegraph to his opponents in order to use.
Still less of a bum than Potential Man, can't believe that fucker only got a couple of scars after everyone manhandled his body when he was possessed.
>>283112837Megumi is HIM
>>283089527What are you confused about? Character deaths always make the story worse.
>>283113614>Character deaths always make the story worse.Not true.
>>283113728Name one example.
>>283114475
>>283114896I don't know who that is, but I would be willing to bet anything that his death didn't improve the story. In my experience, the only story that I've ever read, watched, played or experienced where the death of a character has not outright ruined a story was lord of the rings, and even then it wasn't really an improvement.
>>283115466It did, GoJOB had to die for the story
>>283112149>Or they can just let him worldlessly get it off and there's no consequences that matters because it's not like Sukuna even needed world slash for anyone else the rest of the seriesFalse, Yuji and Yuta constantly tank his slashes, and even Kusakabe and Higuruma survive some, if he could spam the world cutting ones everyone would have died instantly.
>>283115578That is just an excuse for lazy writers, you can always write around a death. Lord of the rings even did it, Gandalf died but then came back. Boromir could have been a catalyst for the worsening of Denethor's madness by just getting wounded or siding with Aragorn against his daddy's interests. Again, I have no idea who Gojob is, but I'm willing to put money on his death being completely unnecessary and a detriment to the story overall, because it always is.
>guys I don't know Jiraiya and Gojotrying too hard
>>283115778It isn't, the only one against is you dude
>>283116008Well if there's a controversy then clearly that isn't true. But even if it were, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
>>283116099Mentor character getting killed when faced against the villain is a common thing, people were just angry it was off screened
>>283116147Right. Maybe you're right and this is the only story in existence where a character's death was an improvement but I'm putting my money on it not being the case.
>>283090567So true.
>>283096881>He had just landed consecutive black flashes and was literally fighting at his peak... I will never accept this explanation.The blacks flashesh mean nothing since Gojo had massive brain damage at that point
>>283089527The worst part was getting an explanation of what happened like 20+ chapters later, then the manga went to shit with Sukuna making new binding vows every other chapter without consequences.
>>283117899He made like 2 binding vows,one of which was fuga which he made ages ago, if you want to glaze gege you can even say it was foreshadowed bythe one against jogo only damaging him while the one against mahoraga making a giant explosion
>>283098537KEKAROO
>>283114896This worthless jobber didn't do shit either
>>283121754>Training the MC and being a father figure for him>Nothing
>>283121797>training the MC for 3 years just to use a slightly bigger move >waiting until the boy is 13 to raise him when he’s your student’s son and was an orphan as a baby after he died >said boy comes back even more emotionally distraught and unstable than before Jobraiyafags are so desperate I swear
>>283121869>training the MC for 3 years just to use a slightly bigger moveShows that he has grown from the training.>waiting until the boy is 13 to raise him when he’s your student’s son and was an orphan as a baby after he diedWouldn't have been an issue had the third Hokage not been a faggot>said boy comes back even more emotionally distraught and unstable than beforeNaruto never thought Sasuke was that far gone
>>283089527Because gojobber was actually stronger than sukuna in fair 1v1 conditions.>IF sukuna had no mahoraga gojobber would have won!But he had it and thats why he won. End of the story.
all these zoomer shonens are so shit
>>283122004>Lies, and copeSasuga
>>283121754>>283121869>Hating JirayaFaggot
>>283089527The entire Sukuna fight was so fucking bad and retarded that it had to have author's notes every couple of panels and an entire chapter dedicated to explaining what the fuck happened or it wouldn't make sense.I'm usually not a speedreader but after the fifth binding vow I decided that I would just look at the pictures from then on because there was nothing to be gained from reading the notes and the HxH-sized dialogue boxes from the peanut gallery commentating the fight.I don't know what has to be wrong with your brain to read utter dogshit written by author who can't convey what the fuck is going on through art and dialogue alone and think it's acceptable, let alone good.
>>283113614>Character deaths always make the story worse.I love when I browse 4chan and I see a completelty deranged take written by someone who is completely detached from reality.
>>283123469It's true though. Most people I talk with begrudgingly admit that they don't enjoy it when characters they like die. I'll grant you that there probably are a couple weird masochists who like seeing characters they empathise with dying, but they are definitely a minority.
Bump
>>283089527This page alone saved JJK's ending from being a complete dumpster fire. All the Gojowanking ended with a very satisfying payoff!
>>283121869>>said boy comes back even more emotionally distraught and unstable than beforeYou mean Naruto changing from Naruto to Shippuden?
>>283123392>The entire Sukuna fight was so fucking bad and retarded that it had to have author's notes every couple of panels and an entire chapter dedicated to explaining what the fuck happened or it wouldn't make sense.>I'm usually not a speedreader but after the fifth binding vow I decided that I would just look at the pictures from then on because there was nothing to be gained from reading the notes and the HxH-sized dialogue boxes from the peanut gallery commentating the fight.>I don't know what has to be wrong with your brain to read utter dogshit written by author who can't convey what the fuck is going on through art and dialogue alone and think it's acceptable, let alone good.Wasn't that all done through art and dialogue like you said? You just mean it was done poorly?
>>283115659Yuji and Yuta are special.
>>283089527KWAB
>followed /a/ jjk threads for years but put off reading and watching the anime>expect to love yuji, sukuna, gojo, todo and hate yuta>actually yuta became my favorite character I'll be honest the short proto volume with him, Maki, Inosuke and Panda with Geto as villain was a million times better than anything than edgy Nardo clone 2.0 shit that was most of JJK. Liked Todo and Nanami a lot, too. But those chapters and the movie are probably my favorite works. The editors were really just trying to fujobait with the changes. But they turned a cool concept into a more generic one. I kind of feel the manga SHOULD have taken his original concept and expanded it. Sukuna was just a boring antagonist, and Kenjaku led to fucking nowhere. Geto and his cult felt actually unsettling. I've have thrown in reworked Culling Games and the Zenin masacre too.
>>283132032>InosukeTourist
>>283132082Sorry I meant Inumaki.
>>283132097Salmon
>>283132119Best boy.
sukundeez nuts was boringthey both should have died and then moved on to the cooler antagonist
>>283132219Cooler is a DBZ antagonist; our lord Sukuna is the inferno of the ages
>>283090291>Though personally, I would have preferred if the previous chapters' last panel looked like pic related to convey it better.Basically this. Either the panel or the "Gojo won" speech bubble being sliced in half at the end of the previous chapter would've fixed the whole sequence.
>>283124362you realise what you are doing is disregarding artistry for comfort.Your world is black and white.
Jjk made me gay
>>283133773Straighest Gojofag
>>283103485That's chink
>>283133773But...why?
>>283135167Happyji
gege ran out of ideasthe whole fight was a boring mess2 strongest characters just spammed domains like 2 retards for over 10 chapters
>>283135274>Two characters fighting at the highest level>Bad
>>283100364>>283117860If the brain damage had any impact on their decision making it would have been shown to be affecting Sukuna as well. You cant have it only one way.
>>283132333>or the "Gojo won" speech bubble being sliced in halfThis would have worked just fine considering Gege did the same with Riko's blood covering her speech bubble when shot.
>>283135426Yes. Any questions?
>>283135274>just spammed domainsIt would have been anticlimatic if Unlimited Void just instantly lost to Malevolent Shrine and that was the end of the Domain battle with Gojo not getting a chance to shine.
What was the point of hyping all these "OP characters" if they ended up not just defeated but completely humiliated?
>>283136261That just means you are a faggot
>>283117899Sukuna explained in 236 how he killed gojo.>>283136220Gojo did it more than sukuna so thats just not true. Sukuna only learned how to do it after seeing gojo do it. Gojo had done it more so he took more damage to his brain.
>>283136436I think the point of the Sukuna Cycle was that everyone who fought Ryomen would be weakening him little by little, but that's clearly not what ended up happening.
>>283136436>they lost against the strongest being in JJK so they're losers What kind of backwards retarded thinking is this
>>283136593and then said strongest being also lost in the most retarded way possible?
>>283136436Gojo's point is that he doesn't achieve anything despite having all the power in the world. He unironically describes himself when explaining his Domain. Even his act of killing the higher ups got muddied by Modulo since once the generation of strong and intelligent allies he built up bit the curb other adults got to do whatever they wanted again.
>>283136436What kind nonesense is this of course the loss is going to be bad its a fucking LOSS
>>283112800>The role of the brain is less understood than binding vows in JJK's power system yet I never hear any complaints regarding that or any other barely explored concept that Gojo used to save himself.Because it never comes up and never matters. Binding vows have actual consequences to the story because people actually use them. And in the case of Sukuna he uses it to win a fight he should have otherwise lost. >Also the execution was fineThe execution would have been fine if Sukuna had a real and tangible problem with using world slash after the vow was made but he doesn't. Because he's so vastly above everyone else that he didn't even need it for more than style points. >>283115659>Yuji and Yuta constantly tank his slashesThese two have justification for being able to do this>and even Kusakabe and Higuruma survive someThese two should have outright died and people have complained about both just being there in the end as bad writing. This wasn't the good argument you thought it was. Sukuna's base abilities should have allowed him to kill everyone, he only ever needed world slash for Gojo and that's it.
>>283136530Sukuna lost his ability to cast his domain because he got hit directly by unlimited void. So if you really want to play that game, then that would compound with the consecutive domain spams and put him in an even worse position. Either way though the point you are still refusing to acknowledge is that the two losing access to their domains was never shown to have affected their decision making at literally any point. Your theory that it happened for Gojo's case is pure conjecture, you are simply making up logic to force Gege's nonsensical writing into coherence.
>>283133217Correct. I fail to see your point, though. What use is "artistry" if it lowers one's enjoyment of the story?
>>283136626Sukuna lost because the main cast took advantage of the fact he was a cursed object. Not bullshit at all>>283136987He lost to UV in a domain clash. That didnt get rid of his domain. The only reason someone cant use their domain is because its on cooldown. If you're looking to outsmart a mangaka you should choose something like naruto, bleach, one piece or DBZ. They all hare actual logical fallacies like goku giving cell a bean, all of naruto's childhood, haki as a concept and every single chapter of bleach after the Aizen arc ended.
>>283137327>like goku giving cell a beanA moment only femoids fail to understand btw
>>283137327>Sukuna lost because the main cast took advantage of the fact he was a cursed object. Not bullshit at allHe held back the entire time it never felt earned
>>283089527I've never even read the series, but maybe that's exactly why? It was another boring "main villain can only be beaten by main character". Give me a series where the main character isn't the one to beat the main villain, or the bad guy just wins and the series ends. Hell, the reason I never read Attack on Titan was because I was waiting to see what the ending was. If the author made Eren win I would have read it, but it was another generic "nooooo the bad guy can't possibly win!!!!" just like Death Note.
>>283089527>3 v 1>Still that damaged
>>283140765>Give me a series where the main character isn't the one to beat the main villainRead Zatch bell
>>283136549But it did, most of them removed a part of his powerset or gave Yuji the occasion to further nerf him.
>>283096971He was literally Yuji's mom
>>283141679May as well call Aizen the father of Ichigo going by that logic
>>283089622Seethe
