Definition: Being able to maintain two opposing traits together.e.g. In harem stories, I simultaneously want the MC to be happy and have a lot of loving sex with his harem, while also placing myself in the world fucking the girls. These are two incompatible realities that I can hold at the same time without my enjoyment of the story diminishing.What are some fun examples of Hegelian Dialectic you've found in anime, manga, etc.? Whether it's your own as the reader, or found in the work.
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>>283112744In Madoka Magica, I simultaneously want Homura to get with Madoka and for me to have baby making sex with Homura. These are two incompatible realities that I can hold at the same time without my enjoyment of the story diminishing.
>>283113523That's another great example!I wonder what other examples there are out there.Anons, do your thing!
>>283112744You think Nue's Exorcist does that?
>>283113731I posted it as an example of a harem story that I'm enjoying from a hegelian dialectical viewpoint. It's a fancy-ish word but I'm not saying that the writer is doing anything particularly fancy in this case, it's more on the reader's side.I'm curious what stories contain the dialectic though.
>>283112744The "first character to explain their strategy loses" problem.For a tense battle, audiences need the outcome of the fight to be unclear and unexpected in order for there to be stakes. Yet at the same time they usually need some degree of grounding and explanation to the players' strategies, mindsets and techniques to better understand those stakes and get invested. A climactic fight being resolved by some never-before explained factor is often disappointing.This generally results in writers, intentionally or otherwise, often defaulting to the infamous "first to explain loses" approach. The value of characters shifts towards "how much can they still surprise the audience?" when determining which stick around and which get sidelined. You see this most often in tournaments and death games, where the people who stick around are usually the ones that have the least revealed about them, or have powersets that lend themselves to this. However, due to how common this approach is, audiences become quickly savvy to the old "death by flashback". So there's now incentive for writers to subvert expectations and keep tensions high by knocking out characters whose arcs haven't been completed yet. In tournament arcs especially, the skill of a writer lies in how good they are at balancing these various contradictory but necessary aspects of how much to reveal, how much to conceal and how much to subvert.--Am I doing this right?
>>283114014Balancing the traditional "those who we don't know about will survive" with the newer subversive "write them out before we learn anything", huh? In a sense it could be just lazy writing but perhaps it is also conscious.I think you're doing it right! :DBut also another angle of this is probably the dialectic of fusing the contradiction of "knowing the result in advance" and "enjoying it as if you don't know". I think I manage to do that sometimes.Also shokugeki no souma is what really clued me into anons' theories on the "first to show their card" loses.
>>283113761Glad to see someone who enjoys it.
>>283114429I think a lot of people do right? I'm 20 chapters behind but i see a lot of maxed out threads (500 or just under 500 posts). Nue is really fun!
think anons think!
>>283115023Shut the fuck up and let what happens happen
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>>283112744I wanted gally to have a peaceful ordinary life with Figure like at the end of the original manga. But i also like her development pushing her beyond what's 'ordinary' and becoming an agent of humanity and doing mars Chronicle.
>>283116945Ump
>>283112744>I simultaneously want the MC to be happy and have a lot of loving sex with his harem, while also placing myself in the world fucking the girls.>These are two incompatible realities
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>>283119876Kek nice we're getting memes already
Anyone who read german philosophers is a midwit without exception
>>283121981Don't tell all the Jap authors who love Wittgenstein that
>>283114158>>283114158I know Alice in the story never fucks or shows any interest in dating and the author says there's zero romantic relationships between the characters, but I believe she moans really loudly in bed during sex with Ryo. It's art, so both intent and my interpretation is trueYou could probably stretch this for a lot of romance and character interpretation people usually do in manga/anime
>>283121880Of Nue's Exorcist? It's like three years old by now
>>283121981>t. midwittgenstein
>>283112744That is just a contradiction. It is not a dialectic unless you use the contradiction between the two to refine your definition of either situation until you form a new understanding, hence the synthesis part. If you maintain two opposing traits/ideas/realities then it is inherently not a dialectic. It is the process by which you resolve the opposition.For example:>I simultaneously want the MC to be happy and have a lot of loving sex with his harem, while also placing myself in the world fucking the girls. These are two incompatible realities. >However, if I self insert as the main character, these are no longer two opposing realities but the synthesis of both into one consistent reality. Congrats. Your opposing ideas were a catalyst for new insights, which allow you to discover the profound truth at the heart of all things. That's dialectics.
>>283122747whoops forgot to attach Chino
>>283122747You make a good point in correcting the definition of a dialectic however my original example still fits.I don't self insert. I just simultaneously hold both ideas in my head and engage with both of them. That forms a synthesis that is the experience I have while enjoying this manga that goes beyond just 1+1=2.Although, I can also self-insert as every character if I choose to.
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>>283124789Let your thread die, man. I don't know how new you are but not every thread hits bump limit
>>283124820It's only 470 posts away.
>>283122747So it's like mentally figuring out how to have your cake and eat it too. Naruhodo...
>>283114440There are, but there are also a few people (ahem kgbfags) who seethe at its existence.
>>283122414It's only two and a half years old anon.
I just figured out that Suo-senpai is actually based on Asa-senpai from Shuffle!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFX_YTqnXZI
>>283129543Nah I bet it's a false dichotomy, I love both!
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