When is the last time we saw a 3 shade shadow anime? This is something I can't remember being used recently at all... It was a staple during the 80s/90s but even really expensive properties these days like Gintama, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Attack on Titan only used 2 shades.
Even the big silly cat gets shading on it's eyes.
Retard
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Sort of reminds me of Gundam Seed in a way.But I'm guessing they're going for something like Record of Loddos War
>>283186770Not even Sunrise could salvage this garbage
>>283186770We can expect more thanks to AI. You can already make stuff almost aa good as this, and with still images you can't even tell.
>>283186770Gintama was an expensive property?
>>283186770Bleach
>>283186981Yes, fujos absolutely lap it up it's making gigantic money. I guess people on /a/ that never interact with Japan don't really experience whats popular on the ground. I guess there is also a strong male bias here so nobody actually goes to places like Ikebukuro.https://collabo-cafe.com/page/5/?s=GintamaJust check here. There has been something Gintama themed every month for the least 10 years. I've seen plenty of Gintama itabags around, not as often as more popular stuff but it has a dedicated long time fanbase.
>>283187002God damn you just made me realize the Bleach anime is over 20 years old. Holy shit.
>>283186977Namaste
>>283186770Just a question: how many anime do you watch per season? It's not as rare as you think.
>>283187189Not a lot but I can't remember it being this... hmm on the nose. Can you name a few examples. Most of the things I remember turned out to be actually 2 shade. Last season I can't remember a single one. Basically "No Shade": Dan Dan DanHoseki no RuriYofukashi no UtaSeishunMizu HamoutsukaiTate Yusha S4CityMynoghraNana OujiAme to Kimi toFutari SolocampFood CortButamenDekin no MoguraPuniru MuuMuuTakopii no GenzaiSakamotoKoujo Denka no KateikyoushiYuusha Party S Rank HirowareruBad GirlKizetsu Yuusha to Ansatsu HimeKijin Gentoushou2 Shade:Kijin GentoushouMoonriseLeviathanBulletZero 3 Shades.
>>283187189I look into everything and it is rare.
>>283186770this anime is so fucking trash, op. i dropped it after the ep 2, because it was straight up mediocre garbage. even that unlikeable elf couldn't save this trash desu
>>283187313people are evolved and enlightened enough to realize that kagenashi is simply better for animation. there will always be stragglers and hylics who say that the drawings look unfinished without shading, but nobody really cares about them.
>>283187372Congratulations on your reduced watch list anon and thanks for letting us know.I know it's unconsivable here on /a/ to talk about things that aren't waifus and powerleve jerkoff plot but this isn't a general thread.I am very specifically talking about the shading style of the anime totally irrespective of the actual anime, it's plot or any characters. Just the shading and the artstyle.The almost forgotten 3 shade style.>>283187394I does produce easier animation and more moeblobable characters yes.
>>2831867703 shades was an OVA thing. TV anime usually didn't get it. Like most "Why doesn't anime look like THIS anymore" the answer is always the same: the death of the OVA.
>>283187406yeah, the shading style is kind of unique because the director also worked in fma and many old shows. still, i just couldn't like this show SINCE there are many other good shows airing this season
I like how nobody could tell OP when the last time we saw a 3 shade animeI was about to tell him not so long ago in Gundam SEED: Freedom but then I actually went to get a picture and realized it's 2 Shaded. All of it even the old ones. It's was just heavily 2 shaded.
Violet Evergarden. Also, both God Eater in 2015 and Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine in 2017 were 4(!)-tone. You'll occasionally see it for specific shots in other anime like picrel and iirc Wistoria, but it's pretty expensive to do and in any non-KyoAni scenario it tanks animation quality.
>>283187430They didn't totally die out shit like Pluto and Cyberpunk are made it's just that we get less then 1 of these a year.
>>283187570Are those really the same thing as an OVA in terms of the financial model, because it's the financial model that allowed them to throw them out there, put a lot of money into the art detail, and make as weird a concepts as possible? Everyone was making OVAs. Random ass corporations were making anime OVAs because you don't need many eps, and you just put more into those eps, hence all the "why doesn't anime look like this anymore?" I don't know if you can have an original video animation with a non physical media world. I just checked and they are calling those ONAs, original net animations. Functionally the same thing... maybe? Like you said, there aren't many of them. Perhaps purely because it's not the boom years anymore... but then again, that can't be it either, because more anime is made now than ever before. Hmm. Fuck it. I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>283186770I can't get over how gorgeous this show looks.
>>283187786I'd argue it's way more complicated.It's the boom years alright but not as you imagine them. Back in the day anime had no financing at all, so they made OVAs. Today anime has all the financing this is why people are making 12 episode shows of EVERYTHING. Anime has x10 the money it had when OVAs where made. So there no need to make OVAs since you can just adapt one of the countless manga and LN into a full sized anime because all the manga and ln publishers already own the rights. It wasn't as integrated back then. Let's take a look at FLCL that came out in Spring 2000.Spring 2000 Season was :Love HinaYugiohAyashi no CeresGensoumaden SaiyuukiNieA Under 7Seikai no SenkiSakura TaisenDaa! Daa! Daa!Boys Be...Gate KeepersMonster Farm: Legend e no Michi (Monster Rancher)Transformers: Car Robots (Transformers: Robots in Disguise)Hidamari no KiDokidokiDensetsu: Mahoujin GuruguruGinsoukikou OrdianFabre-sensei wa MeitanteiTime Bokan 2000: Kaitou KiramekimanSo 17 brand new shows. There was also some heavy hitters ongoing One PieceGreat Teacher OnizukaHunter x HunterMeitantei ConanThe Big OCrayon Shin-chanOjamajo Doremi SharpKindaichi Shounen no JikenboZoidsKochi KameCorrector YuiMushramboSazaeChibi MarukoShuukan StorylandSo 17 New + 15 Ongoing = 32 in Spring 200010 OVAs, 6 Movies.In contract Spring 2025 had49 brand new TV shows13 Ongoing shows6 ONAs of varying lenght some being full 24 episodes other 6 like TakopiiA few 1 episode animes like Shinsei Galverse, Lupin the IIIrd: Zenigata to Futari no Lupin, 20 Anime Movies out of that 7 feature lenght and 4 recap moviesAbout 20+ various 1~5 minutes specials from Lycoris to MaomaoIf you don't think it's the boom years I don't know what it is. There has never been more anime made in he history of anime on a seasonal basis. Not in terms of movies, not in therms of TV shows not in terms of "OVA" if they're the same as "ONA"
>>283187489This is Alya-san, not Violent Eversharted
>>283188010But this doesn't answer why OVAs often used three tone shading, whereas modern anime barely ever does. I thought it was that more money was put into the OVAs. Is it that there's more money in anime overall and more anime than ever, but it's more thinned out, so each individual OVA production could afford more elaborate shading?
This kind of shading was never, at any point in history, as common as you think it wasTime and scheduling is at least as important as budget when it comes to anime production, and 80s OVAs did not have the same limitations in those respects as modern TV animePlease lurk more and watch more anime before making sweeping oldgoodnewbad statements
>>283188067Read the post again, retard.
>>283187489Alya in your picture is a lightly 2 shaded anime with extremely complex round eyes a style used in many waifu anime before like Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko. And yes Violet Evergarden.Wistoria also falls int this category.Violet Evergarden being a lightly 2 shaded show with complex eyes exactly like Denpa Onna, Wistoria and Alya sanGodeater is actually was 4 shaded in some scenes so I'll give you that.Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine I haven't seen but from youtube it seems that you're right.
>>283186770The lighting in CSM was kino.
>>283188267This is why we can't have nice things.
>>283188269It's alright, but not jaw-dropping like in OP show
>>283186770What is a 3 shade shadow anime? What's the difference between it and 2 shades?
>>283188359Kino!
>>283187394>people are evolved and enlightened enough to realize that kagenashi is simply better for animationYes, for Disney cartoons.
>>283187478That's 3 shaded, retard. Look around the eyes and under the lip.
>>283188431I mean, you can't even see the shading here, it's almost all dark
>>283188454Thats quite literally the only place they ever use it. Unlike OPs show there it's used everywhere
>>283188454You are imagining things.
>>283188421>>2831867773 Shaded anime is anime that tries to immigrate global illumination by separating colors into 3 parts that are supposed to provide depth information.For example in OPs picture The skin color and clothes directly in the sunlight are drawn one colorThe part that obstruct the said sunlight are drawn in a dark shaded colorAnd finally parts that stick out and cast a shadow like his nose and mouth and eye sockets ears are drawn another even darker color.If video game terms 3 shading in anime is basically RTX. It also functions like that too in the fact that it requires extremely skilled animators able to imagine global illumination and drawing it. So it ups the budget and time to produce a single scene.This style used to be popular with OVAs and some anime back in the 80s/90s a lot of people remember this fondly because most of the best anime had it but it wasn't a universal thing. TL;DR it adds additional 3d depth to images.
>>2831867703 shadeso triangle shadeI give you Dahlia in Bloom
>>283188579OP picture has 4 shades. - basic skin - shade - deep shade - highlightIf you don't count basic skin, that gives you 3 shades.
>3 shade shadow >it's just 2Tard thread
>>283188579>>283188421Heres a simple example using another elf.If Friren was 3 shaded her right ear inner lobe would be a darker color to indicate the depth of her ear canal.
>>283186788you sure are
Kek, I remember people calling it slop and threatening to drop itTell you all you need to know about ny /a/
Thread is full of great examples on different levels of shading. It's a shame we don't see three shade shadows anymore due to cost concerns.
>>283186770I just realised why I dislike digital anime so much. The fucking lack of shading. This style suddenly made me transport back to 80/90s anime.
>>283188747For the tik tok generation, quality means sakuga. If you can actually tell what is going on on the screen, it's slop and a "slideshow".
>>283188809This isn't a modern thing anon. They stooped doing proper shading in 2000. Shit like Fruit Basket already had none, Read or Die very little. It's more that you only watched big budget or popular shows. Hanaukyou Maid-taiGalaxy AngelSister PrincessJungle wa Itsumo Hare nochi GuuMagical Nyan Nyan TarutoVandreadAbout 50~60% moved to very light 2 shade by then.
>>283186770Is this show yaoi? I could not shake the feeling that the characters were really gay while watching it.
>>283188840Judging from the trailer, that shit is still coming up later, like it or not.
>>283188924Thats probably because you've been conditioned to associate this art style with fujoshi content.Males are very easy to please with big tits and butts and curvy or cute figures. Females on the other hand like to ogle the muscles, lips and like manly features. So usually fujo shows have heavy shading to show off the muscles and lips eyes of the characters to give additional impact to emotions.
My status as a kot clearly exceeds the elf.
>>283188997I say this completely unironically, I am honestly too art-illiterate to have noticed any of that.
>>283188924MC has already claimed a 10/10 elf
it has nothing to do with "3" shading thoit's just how they show form with shadowyour perception of the same color affected by surrounded colorsyou can download something like KK and play with cell shader and shadow softness/hardness sliders to see the same effectseven if some frames have another dark cast shadow the main effect comes from planes and saturated colors+some filter
>>283186777Try to guess the gender of the top left character.
I think 2 shade looks the best. 3 seems weird due to character not meshing properly with the background and 1 feels flat.
>>283188840There are people like this in this very thread.
>>283189075Very few male centric anime go heavy into mega muscle shading. It was really popular in the 70s/80s with the maccho era where Japan saw American Action Heroes like Schwarzeneger and Van Dam and said we'll make that.Today the only show that goes crazy with it is Baki and a few others.
>>283186770great retro-esque art wasted on generic isekai garbage
>>283189127It's very different when the author determines what the proper shading is and when some algorithm does it.
>>283189228Oh, now that you mention it, did Hokuto no Ken have a similar shading to what you were talking about? I think I recall it sort of being shaded like you're describing. I think.
>>283189228Van Damme was scrawny
>>283189299>Hokuto no KenThis one another style. It's a mix of everything. It does use 3 shades but not as much as you'd expect, it primarily relies on counter lines to show 3D
>>283189503I've been to a few exhibits over the years here in Japan and the man knew how to draw shades like very few others. The animate attempted to emulate the manga as much as it could but the manga even today holds up so fucking amazingly well it's ridicilous.
>>283189557天をみよ!!He really was the peak of accurate human physiology.
>>283189576I think the biggest compliment to his work is that you can carve his characters into 3D and they look flat out amazing and exactly like in 2D.
>>283189576>accurateIt's okay if you enjoy this style, but this is Liefeld tier grotesquery
>>283189729He was incredibly accurate. This was Arnold in 1971
>>283189729>>283189815I will however admit that 1973 Arnold is some fucking Baki tier fuckery and I imagine exactly what inspierd Baki and so many other things back in the 80s from Street Fighter to Tekken.
>>283186770this show is shit but it looks fantastic so im watching.
>>283189815A dude who lives in a desert will never look like this. A dude who spends 12 hours in a gym and eats 12 times a day will look like this.
>>283189855He absolutely wont' however if he takes steroids he will. There countless experiments out there that have proven that you indeed can't get anywhere close to this shit naturally. Muscles after a while adapt and go for density and you simply don't get bulk like this in real life with normal hormones.
>>283189913My coach looks like this and he swears he doesn't take steroids
>>283189503>it primarily relies on counter lines to show 3DWhat are counter lines and how do they show 3 dimensions?
That was some of the most forced solutions that I've ever seen and I've seen plenty of trashy isekais. What the fuck was that? It didn't fit with how the tone of the anime was for the first two episodes.
>>283188777Its less about cost and more like tech constraints.Multiple shadows aren't used anymore because it looks weird on LCD displays where black levels aren't 100% black, but it does look good on CRT where you can play around more with shading due to black level nearing 100%
>>283190348Wrinkles
>>283190387Wtf are you talking about?
>>283190348Sorry my terminology isn't correct since I'm not a native English speaker. I mean these kinds of evenly space of lines that create the effect of a deep black shadow or a silhouette outline for muscles. Depending on spacing and lenght they can be use in a crazy number of ways.
>>283190655Hatching? How do you even get from hatching to "counter lines"?
>>283186959Pretty sure it's made by the same Sunrise studio that animated Seed.
>>283186770Did the bitch show her feet already?
>>283190655Another giga autism author Kaoru Mori is also a master of these too. Probably the best one right now? I cant think of anyone that goes more autism then her with these.>>283190720Translate from my native language. Šrafiranje crticama.
>>283187157Anon, I thought you meant expensive in terms of the money poured into the animation which surprised me as it seems untrue. I do know it is a money maker.
>>283189964And Rock also swore he never did Steroids and always ate like 10 raw eggs a day and some other shit being the most fake shit imaginable.Batista is in the same basket. As soon as they could go off steroids because of their movie carriers they did.
>>283190961When it comes to shows I'd say it's pretty well financed. It's fore sure above the average anime budget
>>283190842>"hatching with dashes"I've no clue where the "counter lines" came from, perhaps you're just retarded
>>283191012
My creed as an assassin clearly exceeds the Templar’s
>>283186770AOTY
>>283187313>Kijin GentoushouBoth no shade and 2 shade?
>>283190842she's like, doing by hand what most adaptation mangaka do with 3dbg
>>283188267I think it's very easy to notice. This show immediately looks a lot better than most of the stuff airing alongside it as well as most of the stuff in the previous seasons. Even if you don't know why exactly or what to call it, the difference is hard to miss.
>>283193943Art illiterate here, I don't notice things like that. And I don't think it looks "better." Different, certainly.
>>283194026I'm also art illiterate and know nothing about drawing, but I fail to see how it's possible to miss how much more detailed this show looks compared to others, or how much better and less flat the lighting looks compared to typical anime that airs nowadays. Some of the regular, animated scenes in this show could pass for static illustrations almost, they're clearly doing a far better job at making this than you see in most other anime.
How do elitists and normalfags cope that an isekai looks this good? any suicides yet.
>>283194412>>283186976>>283187372>>283189249
>>283194026People like you are the reason modern architecture exists.
I have a conspiracy theory that one of the bosses at SEGA (or his kid) is a huge fan of this manga for some reason, so it was given a bizarrely disproportionate budget.
>>283186770Iseleve looked like this, and was much better looking and better overall.
>>283186977SAAAR
>>283190387Anime been total trash since episode 2, but the biggest problem is that the girls aren't as hot as the pretty dude we lost...
>>283186959the elf is deetlit coded, so that tracks
>>283186770God Eater?>God Eater was 10 years agoWhere has the time gone...?
>>283196011If you were smart to Japan.
>>283196011I just don't get the guy cumming all over this show, even if you were to agree it looks good is just nothing outstanding. It seems people also forgot about Zenshuu...
>>283196216I remember Zenshu. How it it relevant? It has a basic bitch artstyle and is basically inferior to the assassin anime on every level.
>>283186770It might be another shitty isekai, but at least it's aesthetic slop.
>>283186770When I checked the title and saw first two minutes of the first episode I thought it will be more about assassins and assassinations and darker, but it has barely anything to do with it, MC is so far an OP generic isekai MC. Yeah, he has one assassin skill "conceal presence" and that makes him an assassin? That's enough to put "assassin" in the title? The animation is outstanding, but the story and characters could be better
>>283196216Other than the ambitious shading and Alisa being smoking hot, it had two particularly good episodes that saved the writing side from being totally forgettable. So overall, far from my worst dickwatch.
>>283186770Pure black shading > all.
>>283194412They still haven't coped with Mushoku Tensei.
>>283196769The only Alisa I need is Alisa Kujou.
>>283196216>ZenshuuThis show got mogged by the in-universe film. Would much rather have watched that in stead of pretentious mangaka self suckBut the art was good, lotta soul in places
Welcome to Japan Elf-san had a 90s-esque style
>>283188097>Is it that there's more money in anime overall and more anime than ever, but it's more thinned out, so each individual OVA production could afford more elaborate shading?NTA but I think that was what he was implying.
>>283186770thought something was wrong with my eyesniceand it doesn't have any trannies, like that other fucking Isekai
>>283195112Even I can tell how abhorrent modern architecture is.
>>283197608the other one isnt actually GBfiltered
>>283188097OVA's weren't plagued by crunch and unreasonable deadlines while their creators were given far more creative control. This has happened to every artform. The 70s were the golden age of cinema, the bankers noticed, invested a lot of money in exchange for mass production and creative control, now we have slop. Belle Époque was the golden age of painting, the bankers noticed, invested a lot of money in exchange for mass production, now we have bananas taped to walls. The 80s were the golden age of design, the bankers noticed, now we have corporate memphis. Every art form goes through the exact same process of being appropriated, streamlined and dumbed down by investors. If you don't like it, get rid of capitalism.
>>283197815good thing AI freed us from the corporate shackles
>>283197815>Get rid of capitalism>Not get rid of the bankersHow can you possibly be this obtuse?
>>283197917Banking = capitalism.
>>283198011I didn't say banking, I said the bankers. Again, obtuse.
>>283191003Eh, the final Gintama seasons were full of still shots. The art looked good, but no way it felt high budget.
>>283198020
>>283198156The bankers have been around for thousands of years, but capitalism for only a few hundred. You are actually retarded.
>>283198202Let me guess, you've been duped by your fucked up education system to believe that Sumerian granaries were actually banks. But no. Banking as it is currently understood was born at the exact same time and as a part of the same transitional process as capitalism in the 17th century.
>>283189855>A dude who spends 12 hours in a gym and eats 12 times a day will look like this.No. It strictly requires chicken cypionate, rice ace and broccoli enanthate
>>283197815>The 70s were the golden age of cinemaAccording to fucking who
>>283186770>>283186777>>283186812>>283186959Why is it always random isekaishit that gets quality like this?
>>283198737Isekai rarely looks this good, low budget stuff like midnogra or water magician is the norm.
>>283198913Those were low budget? The fuck?
>>283198980Mynoghra was definitely microscopic budget, Water Magician was ambitious, but ran out of money.
>>283199065I thought both looked fine. Good even. Perhaps my idea of low budget is outdated or something.
>>283198737RezeroMushoku TenseiEminence in ShadowAnd now this
>>283199116man rezero is fucking garbage
>>283199108Fine is something like >>283196314 or >>283197508Mynoghra and the later episodes of Water Magician suffered from limited animation and low detail.
>>283197444Who's sucking off who? The mangaka is 100% fictional. Zenshu is not based on any manga, it is as original as original gets.
>>283189815The gigantic lats and the way his arm looks so short is quite unappealing
>>283199116Eminence in reddit is fucking trash
>>283199553It's okay to have shit taste, anon. Your opinion is perfectly valid all the same. Stay mad little buddy.
>>283199164But it looks like a million bucks
>>283186959I could only think of SEED when they set up that the protagonist's struggle was not killing people. Hopefully this also ends with him going home and fucking the elf on a beach immediately.
>>283199116All you need is an elf as the main love interest.
>>283197846is that reimu or mizuhara? AI seems like it couldn't make up its mind.
>>283200299Good luck hiding the elf from Jap glowies.
>>283200527I mean, most fantasy anime has that.
>>283199445>The mangaka is 100% fictionalThat's irrelevant it's still a self suck for creatives
Elf girl.
