>character is supposed to be old and experienced>age: 27
>>283187441Old for a merc
>>283187441For the majority of human history that was considered a mature and grown ass man with duties and responsibilities
>>283187441What do you learn being a wageslave homeowner for 40 years? Nothing.
>>283187441skill issue
>>283187529Unironicaly this
>>283187569You sound incredibly pathetic.
>>283187529It was common in many countries as recently as 20 years ago that someone left school, left, home, got a job and got married at 16. At 27 they'd have 11 years of experience in the real world. And this was in western Europe, not the third world.
>>283187441It's "true" by japanese standards in the sense that they tend to live alone quick after 18.
>>283187596He clearly struck a nerve.
>>283187569>you mvst be fitting in le society!!!
That's just normal. People age faster and slower today. You can't deny society is quite abnormal and unnatural nowadays, and all sub 100 IQs need to go if we want to go back to a normal world.
Sounds about right. Not even trying to be a dick, but generally speaking from Spike's perspective, he had to grow up fast and managed in his own way, albeit having to settle for bounty hunting, but there's also somewhat more opportunities for him since there's space travel n shit, but also more risk because it can be life or death for him.Not to mention, Japanese are raised in a way where they themselves have to grow up fast, but they're dealing with their own bullshit like every other country is now. Life isn't an anime anon, shit was different back then and to top it all off it's a TV show where they want to probably appeal to their target demographic, don't over think it.
>>283187441Off by only six months and a few weeks, Spike is born and joins the 27 club almost exactly 100 years after Jim Morrison.
>>283187441we live in a society of manbabies and womanbabies nowadaysI'm no exception, I was Spike's age when I moved out of my parents
>>283187940>we live in a society
>>283187441I want to fit into society and actually being productive but im too lazy to exist
Isn't Jet the old and experienced one?
>>283187502In a career where you die young or retire quickly, yeah he's old
>>283187441I am 23 and I feel like I haven't really changed since I was 13 or so
>>283188478Correct, and he's 36 which is old enough to have seen and done most of what the career had to offer.
>>283188754>he's 36Lmao, looks over 50.
>>283187441Sure, he kicks ass and all, but otherwise his behavior isn't uncharacteristic of someone in his 20s
>>283187612>and got married at 16no, they'd get married at 18 at the earliest, and 27 was a common marriage age for the lower classes
>>283187529I was reading the romance of the three kingdoms and in it they really played up how young guys were even in to their 30s. But that's in the context of military commanders. LotGH is like that too with people seething at Yang for being a 30 year old admiral and Reinhard being talked about as though he is a literal child.This is where the incongruity comes from. Spike had a profession and lifestyle where 27 is old and experienced, because most other people that walked his path would have been dead before then. But, if he ran for political office, his youth and inexperience would be a major facet of the campaign. He'd still be young from the perspective of social authority.
>>283187441>he isn't experienced in 27
>>283187441In a job involving combat 27 is old and experienced.There's been a pretty big societal change where a lot of people aren't even familiar with what used to be a pretty default path for boys when it came to career. Enter into something intense fully at age 18 (or even earlier), which usually meant leaving home behind. Do that for a decade or so and then retire in your mid 20's and usually come back home, if you were lucky, with enough money that you didn't have to work anymore (at least for a while).Military careers are like this, but so could many other jobs like working on commercial ships like cruises or fishing vessels, oil rigs, mining, logging (forestry), hard labor at some particularly juicy job site that paid well for a big long-term project, even apprenticing at a kitchen to become a chef etc. This is used to be very common. In that kind of life 27 meant you were at the end of your path and likely had already initiated and trained multiple cohorts of younger people into the same position as you. War films, the good accurate ones, are like this, the seasoned veteran in charge is just someone who's 25, while everyone else is 19.There's a whole slice of the economy that is insane intense jobs that are 95% done exclusively by men aged 18-25 and it used to be way more common for boys to just jump into that mill willingly and become "old" at age 27 because their usefulness ran out, but in exchange they got pretty good money.
>>283187441>supposed to be old and experiencedYou watched it wrong.
>>283189335This is how boys became men. This is why older generations don't respect zoomers. They look at these now 20 somethings and see what would have been the lamest guy from their own youth who stayed at home and didn't go out and do anything.
>>283189640This anon gets it.
>>283190072>the lamest guy from their own youth who stayed at home and didn't go out and do anything.Where do you think you are?
>>283187441Spike is canonically younger than gen alpha/gen z right
>>28318744116-18 year olds used to be CONQUERORS30-40 year olds nowadays act like big toddlers.
>>283187441Look up the age of the people in mob movies. In good fellas, there were younger or in the same age group.
>>283187441He was played by a 50 year old guy in the live action.
>>283190500Well you better show the lands you conquered on the map
>>283190500>16-18 year olds used to be CONQUERORSNot generally, no. They were the footsoldiers of conquerors, with many of them not living to see the same age as the men commanding then.
27 is pretty good desuI laugh when a character looks like a fully grown adult and then you see the age is less than 18
>>283187569>wageslave homeowner>homeowner
Meanwhile in modern anime, 25-30 year old character are treated like hags who are closer to retirement than college student. Compared to that, cowboy bebop is fine as it is. It is especially ironic when you consider how the median age in Japan is so much higher now.
That's how Japan views aging.13-19 are your sort of “hero” years. Where you can be the main character out on adventures, having youthful flings, and figuring out who you’re going to be. Once you’re an actual adult in your 20s you’re meant to be established in a profession and starting to act as a senior, sharing experience with the incoming new class of adults. Once you hit 30 all the exploration and character development is behind you as you’ve long since settled into where you’ll be in your career for the majority of it. Your story is over. Except for a couple of later promotions you’ve done what you’re going to do. You’re a background, supporting character now.
>>283190952they're right
>>283190072Zoomers are forced to stay home because of the shit economy and job market, it's not a choice. The older generations sold their future
>>283191070Not anymore, because most young people don't live like that anymore
>>283191115once you hit 30 your character development is donedoesn't matter if you spent all of your 20s under a rock. you're rock man now
As someone who was living on his own at 19 it largely sucked, I didn't feel like I fully had my shit together until I was in my 30s, i was irresponsible as shit
Yes. I’m not sure why this is hard to understand. If your intended audience is teenage, 27 is old, and this doesn’t even begin to play into cultural nuance I mean holy shit, do you not remember being 16? 21 seemed old/mature then
>>283188836Preasu understando. Being a bounty hunter is a stressful job.
>>283191266I remember being 8 and thinking 17 was old as heck, but I think that was largely just the size difference of being a small kid vs a late teen who's fully grown in their adult form
>>283191168>once you hit 30 your character development is doneWhen you hit 30, your best arc begins. Enroll in college again. Thank me later.
>>283191388
When a lot of shit happens to you at once that's as much experience as if nothing happens to you over a while. It's not that common for it to be that way, but it happens.Besides the old and experienced one is Jet Black and he's 36 and bald. Plenty of people don't have to wait until 36 to be bald, and similarly, plenty of people don't need ten more years for the world to scar them.
>>283188635am 25 currently, still feels like I'm 16 mentally.I work from home full time, living with parents cause they have a big enough house that supports us, apart from having a salary job and paying taxes, I felt more like an adult when I was working part time and going to college and living on my own lole.I guess it really does make a difference to have your own place if you want to seriously become a working class adult.
>>283191266>do you not remember being 16? 21 seemed old/mature thenI do, and no it didn't. Did you people not have grandparents? I had a 90 year old great grandmother. That was old. Not people close to the age of my older sister. Even when I was a little kid, I saw people in their 20s as the cool adults who were still young enough to be fun.
>>283191714>I saw people in their 20s as the cool adultsAt first it seemed like you missed my point but then I guess you got it accidentally. Because that was it. To a 16yo, 21 is “adult”. To a 30yo, 21 is “retarded teenager with a couple extra years of practice”.
>>283192198No, it's generational. I'm 29 and I think most people my age are retarded teenagers. It's actually just so over.
>>283187934Fuck. That really hits hard. >>283188635>>283191646>>283192701I feel like I was 21 yesterday. I'm 27 now and the world has turned completely upside down. I went from a decent paying job, a fiance, and almost a homeowner to being a part time trucker and taking care of my aging mother and grandmother.
>>283187441you either have experience or die
>>283188287>I want to fit into society and actually be productiveI don't
>>283187441>character is supposed to be old and experienced>age: 27Works perfectly well in shounen manga.
This is a trope I hate>is a commander or high ranked official>has fought countless battles>deadpan stare because he's seen some shit>is 19Glad it's dying lately, it was more common in the early 2000s
>>283192198>To a 30yo, 21 is “retarded teenager with a couple extra years of practice”.But I disagree with that too. There is a stark difference to me between teenagers and people in their 20s. To me the latter are properly adults and whatever lingering immaturity they have is merely a consequence of experience rather than innate.
>>283192701It's not generational at all
>>283193194Cowboy Bebop isn't shonen though
>>283187612In the third world they would have kids by age 16 you idiot.
>>283189032>>283187441His youth is part of the plot. He considered himself to be dead already and decided to basically commit suicide, which both Jet and Faye knew was a mistake.The truth is that he still had an entire life ahead of him but he couldn't let go of the past, so he killed himself trying to fix his old mistakes. The series' ED is about this desu.
>>283194879This makes the netflix adaptation very funny since Spike is played by a a guy who's 50 who definitely doesn't still have a full life ahead of them.
>>28318744127 is ancient in anime years
>>283187569Cannot wait until the day of the tendie. All NEETs will turn and face the wall.
>>283187441>*Went to School* >*Went to University* >*Graduated* >*Former captain of her own ship*>"18 years old"
>>283188635This but I'm 35...
>>283195383Based
>>283187441Just a reminder that you ever become an adult when you have children on your own.
>>283195383I'm way older than Aisha
I personally feel like it’s culturally very worrying that people are have extended adolescences. You have 30 year olds who don’t know how to do things that 16-18 year olds knew how to do 30 years ago. It feels like Millennials in particular were the one who pushed this “adulting is hard, stay a kid forever” meme. Zoomers aren’t perfect, but at least they’re TRYING to grow up faster, even if not all of them succeed.In Spike’s case, being considered somewhat old at 27 is reasonable since most mercenaries barely make it past their early 20s.
>>283195256Ok, so we have anime Spike. He is still young at 27, he is a smart, handsome man with plenty of skills, he certainly has connections (he's met people while traveling) so realistically he could change careers a live a long, fulfilling life, but that requires him to let go of the past and grow. He is unable and unwilling to do that so he has an arrested development.The series even gives us a glimpse of an older bounty hunter: Jet. Both his storyline and his role in the series doesn't make he seem heroic but like a mercenary that's way past his prime and running away from his past until he inevitably dies pointlessly in a bounty hunt. That's also the ending that awaits Spike if he doesn't resolve his inner conflict. Hell, Spike's last standing doesn't even look like heroism or martyrdom, it looks like a man surrendering and killing himself.A Spike that lives to be 50 is unlikely but even if it happens he would still be pretty much the same guy he was at 27 because he's mentally and emotionally stuck in his late teens. A 50-year old Spike that surrenders to his past and kills himself recklessly would be less tragic but it could still work if the series was well written, because even at 50 there is an opportunity to change and grow, but the Netflix series had shit writers and an even shittier script.They likely chose that man for the role to avoid the Ghost in the Shell "controversy" in which a bunch of tumblrinas boycotted the movie for "whitewashing" the main character.
>>283195383Considering she's a dumb fucking cat only good for sex it seems school and university did not help very much.
>>283187441From the perspective of a child soldier he's a grandpa.
>>283196142Rude
>>283190072older generations could buy a house
>>283187441Correct life doesn’t start when you are 40 you’ve done more then you think.
>>28318744127 is on the younger side but I can still buy that someone's actually lead a life and done shit by that point.
>>283187441>27 is le oldzoomie detected
>>283196673I don't know what it is about this generation specifically that's so infantalized. grown adults in their 20s act like babies.
>>283187569kek you got the wagies seething with this one
>>283187441You are not supposed to compare the average person. You need to think at what age do people start entering organized crime. Due to circumstance, many enter in their teenage years. Imagine someone who has been doing jobs for the mob for over 10 years. The average criminal in these gangs doesn't live long.
>here's that 19 year old kid I told you about
>>283195971I'm going to be turning 30 next week. I can do a lot of things that you probably can't do. I still have zero desire to "grow up." I work full time and cannot afford to move out of my mom's house. I got have sex in high school and college and came to the realization that women will never be that fun again. 30 year old women are all worthless whores with baggage that lack the ability to pair bond. At this point I'm just waiting to die. The only things I enjoy are Vidya and boardrel.Tldr: Work but still can't afford housing. 30 year old women aren't worth my effort. Why should I grow up.
>>283198362>30 year old women are all worthless whores with baggage that lack the ability to pair bondJust get a woman that's younger then, why the fuck are you buying into ridiculous feminist propaganda of needing to pair up with women of your own age? Vast majority of pairings thorough history have been older males with younger females.
