>Goblins are known for their ferocity, cunning, and rapid reproduction, but their reputation as the lowliest of monsters causes their threat to be overlooked. Raiding rural civilizations to kidnap females of other species for breeding, these vile creatures are free to continue their onslaught as adventurers turn a blind eye in favor of more rewarding assignments with larger bounties.
>>283202427The more you think it the most stupid it is.Because yeah, while other mobs are mor objetively dangerous because of their individual power level,You would assume Goblins would be taken more seriously after it becomes obvious they kill a ridiculous ammount of rookies and destroy a bunch of towns, small or not.
>>283202427Why can medieval kingdoms of our world, that don't have magic or holy blessings, be capable of doing mass genocide better than some JRPG world kingdoms?Goblins should have been wiped out through extreme prejudice.
>>283202427>>283202543Yeah it's shitty, retarded world building. People back in the day hunted things that were less of a nuisance to extinction because they were tired of their shit.
why didn't Frieren order goblins to do good thingswhat a waste of goblinussy
>>283202543>Because yeah, while other mobs are mor objetively dangerous because of their individual power level,>You would assume Goblins would be taken more seriously after it becomes obvious they kill a ridiculous ammount of rookiesAdventurer population control.>and destroy a bunch of towns, small or not.Frees up land for the well connected.>People back in the day hunted things that were less of a nuisance to extinction because they were tired of their shit.Nothing that humans hunted to extinction here had one of the greater gods spamming new critters.
>>283202992>Nothing that humans hunted to extinction here had one of the greater gods spamming new critters.What greater gods?
wolves hunt in packs
>>283204662Truth is both the gobs' creator and their biggest fan.
>>283202992Common folk would not tolerate their women being abducted and raped, they would flock en mass to the first religious order that promised to genocide goblins, creating a powerful political block that would demand goblins be dealt with.
>>283204781Meanwhile Truth fills that order's headquarters with hobs and champions, just for laughs.
>>283202543>You would assume Goblins would be taken more seriouslyThe story wants to prop Goblin Slayer up as the only person taking the green blight seriously. The reality is Goblin Slayer would just be one of dozens of exterminators dealing with the goblin menace because if not dealt with, Goblins 100% destroy entire regions every time they get left unchecked and everyone would know this.
>>283204662Goblins literally just spawn in. You can't genocide them. They can replenish their populations with breeding but in case they all get wiped out their god will just make more.
>>283202427Gnomes are the bigger problem, they control the banks, the media, and the nobility
>>283204924Fires can just spawn in. If you put them all out god shoots lightning to make more. This is why humanity accepted their fate as firefood and didn't bother organizing firefighters in every developed society.
>>283205002And now we have NO fires, right?
>>283204935Gnomes bow to Bogdanoffs
>>283205002Goblin Slayer would be a better story if he was some government contractor tasked with taking out Goblins on really restrictive budgets. The Priestess could have been the newest hire to his division because the last one retired and/or got gobbed. >>283205019I think that anon's point is that humans will organize and protect themselves from threats including natural calamities. Goblins spawning in doesn't change the fact that they are a threat and humans historically hunt threats like that down. Goblins would be the wolves of Europe not something ignored because they start off by stealing chickens.
>>283205086>Goblins would be the wolves of Europe not something ignored because they start off by stealing chickens.Wolves didn't have gods on their side, anon.
>>283205113It doesn't matter anon. Nobody is saying they would successfully eradicate every goblin. We are saying humans would actively be hunting these down, especially in the frontier region where their biggest problems are shown to only be goblin dens that snowball a settlement after enough time passes. It's bad writing, there's nothing wrong with admitting that.
>>283202717>People back in the day hunted things that were less of a nuisance to extinction because they were tired of their shit.Yes, but this is a world of DnD, meaning dragons. Dragon >>> goblins on the MY TOWN IS ON FIRE threat scale. That's before we get into mind flayers, beholders, and other magical weird shit that just would end humanity if done right. Goblins power scale based on volume. A gaggle is a non-threat, an army is a real problem. And real world still has shit like fire ants and murder hornets, despite both being little shits we humans hate. Also see the Emu War. The Emu's won.
>>283204662Goblin Slayer is a DnD based world where the gods spawn shit in. Like the munchkin series, MC in that series just gets spawned in.
Just saying.
>>283205145The societies that pour it all into degobbing the land fall to greater monsters, anon.
>>283202427why didn't they just rape the goblins
>>283205253They'd just want more, and they don't take "no" for an answer. Mainly because they're too stupid to understand a real language, but still.
>>283205221>The societies that pour it all into degobbing the land fall to greater monstersDid we read the same story? For the first volume of the LN the only problem are goblins because the demon army is in a whole other region so "greater monsters" don't matter. The big climax was taking down the Goblin Lord at the farmstead. At the point GS meets the Orc they are in the elvish region and the other major monsters were in the holy city. I think the Paladin was in a mountainous region far to the north. It's also not hard to degob an area since goblins physically suck unless they evolve into a more powerful variant which takes time and resources. The pattern would be humans noticing goblins stealing livestock and killing the 3-5 normal gobs that are the cause before they get old enough to acquire magic or sufficient intelligence. Which any farmer could do but adventurers are a neverending resource and Goblins should and would be an easy early quest if the story didn't pretend the guild didn't pay attention to Goblin tactics.
>>283205145But they are? Literal quests are given to hunt them ALL. It's just adventurers in this world value fame and money, and goblin killing does NOT provide that - killing a dragon does. So it gets left to noobs in the adventuring world. Which is how they get gobbed. Goblin Slayer is just a weirdo who always takes "low level" quests per his fellows. But the reality is he does ALL goblin quests, wiping out hordes, nests, emperors, or whatever is associated with the goblins. Meanwhile, some normie adventurer takes a goblin quest like 1x or 2x a year at their level when the guild KNOWS it's a paladin, a hob, or involves other monsters.
>>283205301>It's also not hard to degob an areaAs long as you do it every week.
>>283202992>Adventurer population control.Which is a dumb politic because not all adventurers are your average cheat OP Isekai protagonist, or need to be.An average adventurer starts mediocre and gets better.So it's a problem if 75% of your rookie adventurers (random number I got out of my ass) get killed by mobs considered trash. So at least the guilds should reconsider stop treating goblins as weak mobs when they can organize and attack in groups using tools unlike other mobs that are just savage beasts.>Frees up land for the well connected.You need people to work those lands. Hard to do when all the villagers get killed.>Nothing that humans hunted to extinction here had one of the greater gods spamming new critters.Well, you are literally giving me a reason why they should stop treating goblins lightly.
>>283205411>Well, you are literally giving me a reason why they should stop treating goblins lightly.It's also one reason why taking them seriously doesn't help. The harder you kill them the more you'll get.
>>283205342>It's just adventurers in this world value fame and money, and goblin killing does NOT provide thatWhich doesn't make sense on it's face. The Guild exists to protect any given region from threats and I think their income is dependent on the locals. So every town that gets gobbed means less money to them so volume 1 guild would be treating Goblins much more seriously than you pretend they would. This doesn't mean they would be shelling out hundreds of gold coins, but goblin extermination would be a greater priority. Goblin slayer wouldn't be the only person with a personal bone to pick with the green menace either. >But the reality is he does ALL goblin quests,That is not true. We are shown and told that others take on the quests, it's just that GS has the highest success rate.>>283205365Which isn't a problem for the story since the frontier region literally has nothing else better to do in their own self defense.
>>283205463And if you don't kill them they keep multiplying until they reach numbers big enough to actually even destroy a very populated city if they organize themselves well enough.
>>283205464>frontier region literally has nothing else better to do in their own self defense.The frontier is where shit keeps hitting the fan, anon. Demons may be scheming in the Capital, but they keep starting shit out in the hinterlands.
>>283205541That's why you pick away at them piecemeal.
>>283205569>The frontier is where shit keeps hitting the fan, anon.Not from what I read. I think the only larger threats that weren't goblins were bandits and dire wolves. The story just does a shit job of justifying the lackluster response to goblins in the frontier. If you want to prove otherwise I'm all ears but this was something pretty easily pointed out back when the anime was airing and people were discussing the story at length. Light Novel included.
>>283202427They never try to give a goblin education, think about it.
>>283205603Find a time when the Hero was out fighting threats in a city. It's always out on the frontier.
>>283205692The God of External Knowledge did at least once with the Goblin Paladin.
>>283205202I've never heard of gods in D&D "spawning" creatures. Some races were supposedly created by gods, but that was eons ago. Gods in general are pretty handsfree about the material world apart from granting magic to their worshippers.
>>283205715There are multiple frontier regions. Do you mean the one closer to demon country? Because I only read a couple of the LN volumes and nothing of that sort happened in the starting region. Also, even if larger monsters exist they obviously exist in smaller numbers relative to goblins who attack far more frequently. At one point in the first volume there were 2-3 active goblin dens that had already party wiped experienced groups. GS himself had to respond to one after the previous group that attempted it were wiped out. They clearly are framed as a bigger issue than the response they receive.
Problem is goblins don't have any fancy loot, and goblins don't tend to impact rich people that can afford walls and armies and shit.If you are a weak adventurer, you stick to safe jobs like killing sewer rats. If you are strong you look for rich clients or dyngeons with rare treasures.Some random farmer can't afford to pay much to protect his cows. That is your main client as a goblin exterminator.
>>283205740Goblin Slayer is not only DnD.
>>283205213Nah, this bitch is going on GobFax, every knight will know to avoid her nasty whore holes. None will be foolish enough to court her.
>>283205751Find one non-frontier city attack so dangerous that they had to deploy the Hero's party.
>>283205775Just saying that this is something that gets parroted in these threads based on nothing.
>>283205807I don't have too anon. Humans have rallied and organized for lesser threats time and time again. There's no need for humanity to only respond if it's some apocalyptic incursion where the Hero would be required.
>>283205772Technically, those cows and farms belong to a noble, and if some green piece of shit goblin destroys it, there goes part of his wealth.Really powerful people are not going to be happy when the estates of nobles are getting ransacked by green vermin.
>>283205464>The Guild exists to protect any given region from threatsThat's not really it, anon. The Guild exists to curb the human problems that come up when greedy brawny bastards congregate in an area to turn badassery into cash.
>>283205832GS doesn't happen here, anon. Nor are its inhabitants human.
>>283205892Are marginal villages, the ones that usually get wrecked, even profitable?
>>283205892Yeah but adventurers will handle things for me before it gets out of hand so i don't have to worry too much.
>>283205939>GS doesn't happen here, anon.Really missing the point anon. >Nor are its inhabitants human.So that means they shouldn't organize against a threat? Why do they even bother fighting back against monster then?
Follow the nose!
>>283202427It makes no sense because most adventurers would not be in the big leagues hunting dragons and shit, they would be on cleanup duty.Shit like Goblins would've been hunted to extinction.
>>283206102No really, anon, you don't seem to have a point for me to miss.
>>283206263>you don't seem to have a point for me to miss.Hard to see how "sentient individuals clearly based on human society not intelligently responding to an obvious threat" is going over your head.
>>283206259Every time an adventurer party forms a goblin nest appears. Clearly the only way to wipe out the goblins is too kill all the adventurers.
>>283202427they use it because the authors are retardedbut if they have to be retarded, they could also use the threat that targets men: harpieshave them be treated as the menace they were, as they kidnap men instead and use them for breeding, so it's up to the female adventurers to save their husbands and friends
>>283206293>"sentient individuals clearly based on human society not intelligently responding to an obvious threat"At the risk of getting called out for doing as I've accused you of doing, our current world works better as a example to that happening rather than as a counter example.
>>283205784Implying that once gobbed you will ever go back.
>>283206359Not really. The anon who pointed out responses to wildfires was spot on. Goblins should and would be handled a lot differently if the writing was up to par. If Goblin Slayer as a story framed the inappropriate response to goblins as an issue of logistics, a failure of government, or anything more believable. That would be points in it's favor. Instead the story just doesn't make it make sense at all. Dozens of adventurers die to goblins every week going by the story, yet nobody seems to care. The guild doesn't even act like a guild and train people, just throwing more adventurers into the meat grinder. Even shit setting like the Starship Trooper films have people going through basic before sending them to die to the bigs. Larger monsters aren't an actual excuse for diverting attention and resources in the first volume which would make this understandable. I keep saying it but there's no problem in just admitting that GS as a story isn't the best in terms of worldbuilding. Even for a story emulating tabletop RPGs, shoddy writing is shoddy writing.
>>283206445>a failure of government,In a real sense it is framed that way. Various people, including GS, point out that the government won't throw any resources at goblins.
>>283206501But no reason is ever given beyond the incomprehensible assumption that Goblins are a small-time threat. Even when recent years proves otherwise. That's really not enough to make the countless deaths from civilians and adventurers work for the story the same way you would point to real world situations where the government fails it's people.
>>283206445>The guild doesn't even act like a guild and train peopleThe Guild is just the bastard child of the people who tried to tard-wrangle dungeon plunderers, it's as dysfunctional as everything else in the Four Cornered World.
>>283206566There's a great exchange between the King and SM in one of the middle volumes where he's grumbling that there's never enough money, manpower, or time to do more than slap bandaids on wherever they can. There's your reason right there.I think that the fundamental difference we have is that I do not expect a fictional society to run well for it's citizens, so seeing one that doesn't does not set me off.
>>283206709>where he's grumbling that there's never enough money, manpower, or time to do more than slap bandaids on wherever they can.If there's a manpower and money shortage, why would anyone be ok losing entire parties and villages to a low-level threat? >so seeing one that doesn't does not set me off.I don't want some picturesque setting where humanity is fully competent and capable. I brought up Starship Troopers for a reason, it's a hellish setting but humanity at least does the bare minimum in the live action films. I just don't think the story earns Goblin Slayer's status as the only guy taking goblins serious in the early volumes because they are so clearly a major issue it's laughable they get underestimated at all. It would be like an invasion of japanese hornets that only get handled by one guy and the local government and civilians just lie back and let them swarm.
>>283206793>If there's a manpower and money shortage, why would anyone be ok losing entire parties and villages to a low-level threat?No one's okay with it, anon; and no one has enough resources to put an end to it.GS doesn't have to be the only guy taking goblins seriously, anon. He's just the only one we get to see who is obsessed enough with killing them to leave fame and fortune on the table. Starship Troopers is a functional society. GS' society isn't one; and it doesn't have to be.
>>283202543that's like saying why there are homeless people or drug addicts even if we have welfare and mental institutions. Evil will always find a way to strive, especially if the system is overworked and underpaid
>>283206934>and no one has enough resources to put an end to it.I don't get why people keep thinking the argument is that the story needs some final solution for goblins. But the story needed to do better than prop up one guy because he's smart enough to wear a helmet. Yeah, I know that's a manga only example but it's emblematic of the problem the story has. >He's just the only one we get to seeThat's the problem anon. There's no hint that others even exist since most of the time GS shows up it's because other people failed already. >GS' society isn't oneWe have different definitions of functional. GS's society is functional because it's not dystopian or anything like that. It's the worldbuilding that isn't functional compared to Starship Troopers.
>>283207064There's at least one anon in the thread who's amazed that the goblin holocaust hasn't already happened, since sensible people would have gotten right on that, perhaps it's you.Do me a favor, anon, and define "worldbuilding," so I know what you're complaining about.
>>283202427>every thread you go, you are reminded of it.....
>>283207064>That's the problem anon. There's no hint that others even exist since most of the time GS shows up it's because other people failed already.Are you seriously complaining that the MC gets lots of screen time?
>>283207154>perhaps it's you.Really don't see how any of my posts in this chain would give you that idea. >and define "worldbuilding," so I know what you're complaining about.It the broadest strokes, how internally consistent the world is with itself. This doesn't mean that a single chapter from later in the series where two characters talk about a problem erases that the problem exists. And as I've pointed out; the frontier region from volume 1 of the LN, the way the guild operates in said region, the relative threats present, and the obvious comparison to real world issues tackled by humanity. All show that Goblin Slayer operates on some contrivances to simultaneously let goblins kill droves of people on a monthly basis, but still have a low reputation despite that. Enabling one guy to be actually tuned into taking them out when it would be a much greater problem for everyone to handle. If you want to convince me the guild would be paying less for goblin extermination, show me how they can accept losing whole parties all the time. Posters like >>283202992 show the usual arguments in favor of the story. A bunch of nonsensical meta arguments about how adventurers are disposable and need culling, or that local lords don't care about their land.>>283207212No
>>283205174is easy to deal with human sized thread compared to insects, also we already have a precedent of goblins destroying and entire civilization see ancient india
Considering how caves seem to be the bases and breeding grounds for just about every monster imaginable in a setting like this. Wouldn't the best thing to do is to map out where these caves are, and then seal them up? You might not get all of them, but removing a majority of these bases means less monsters using them as staging grounds for raids and nurseries.
>>283202427why do they send female adventurers?
>>283202427I think we are supposed to believe the world of GS is so big that all people killed by the goblins is not even close to cause some consequence in the big picture. Like, 10 villages destroyed per year in a kingdom with 200.000 villages. But what I dont like is they saw what they are capable but his party didnt seem to sympathize with GS and want him to stop hunting Goblins to do other things. The entire world is filled with evil creatures and they treat it like everything is fun and games with exception of GB and the pristess loli. Is like GB is the only sane person in a world full of psychopaths where trying to help other people and do the work is retarted and you should be hunting other monsters not because you should in order to save the world but because is fun and that is the only thing that matters and that's it. I thought the Elf would understand after seeing all the elves raped but nah.
>>283207243>It the broadest strokes, how internally consistent the world is with itself.The Four Cornered World is a place where the gods fight off boredom by using people, places, and things as game pieces.Every thing good or bad; sane or crazy; sensible or not that we encounter follows from that. To me, that's very internally consistent. As for taking >>283202992 seriously, you should expect copypasta complaints to get copypasta replies.
>>283207371This is a world where they let someone as young as 13 years old get a porcelain tag, and enter a den of flesh eating, rapist monsters to make a few shillings.
>>283202427>>283202543>we should kill all the goblinsAny volunteers?
>>283207411Goblins have the intelligence and strength of a small child in GS.
>>283207396>To me, that's very internally consistent.We simply disagree. I've given my reasons so I won't bother repeating myself but that's where I'll leave things.>As for taking >>283202992 seriouslyI wasn't. Just pointing out that it's a common defense tactic of the writing.
>>283207458>that's where I'll leave things.Cheers, then. Enjoy what you can; and I'll do the same.
>>283207490Good talk.
>>283207411Vietnam war vet here, I know their TTPs.You should hire me.North Vietnamese btw
>>283207451How many ill-armed, night-vision-equipped, and rabid fourth-graders would you be willing to take on in a narrow underground passage?
>>283202427>adventurers go inside a cave to face... goblins!>or maybe bugs?I wish the Japanese would include a bit more variety in the subterranean things those native isekaijins could be fighting.
>>283207652>SkavenI've only played 40K but I love reading about these little bastards.
>>283207342Literal gatekeeping and filter if they aren't gud enough.
the goblins are a metaphor for the ghetto and they should be indiscriminately terminated
>>283207508>>283207411Reminds me of sabu's art of goblin dens. The other one is more lewd tho.
>>283205784Even goblins avoid this whore, she has to force herself on them regularly
>>283202427>Goblins are known for their ferocity, cunning, and rapid reproductionOnly to Goblin slayer and the guild, most people see them as small dumb creatures they kill once or twice every summer.>Raiding rural civilizations to kidnap females of other species for breedingOnly happens when you live next to a goblin nest that got big enough to start do that. Most goblins are killed by farmers and young commoners before they become adventurers.>these vile creatures are free to continue their onslaught as adventurers turn a blind eye in favor of more rewarding assignments with larger bounties.Goblins are weak dumb bandits that become a problem when they have time to grow and learn or have something more dangerous leading them.
>>283207342
>>283202676you wouldn't have to try hard to genocide a race that can't breed on their own.i almost feel like theirs a conspiracy by the adventurer guilds in these settings to send newbie female adventurers to the rape caves just to prevent the goblin population from collapsing so they can farm them for drops.
>>283207342Probably a low rate getting gob, so losing a few is not problem. The few that gob have a rare chance of becoming a powerful hero after.
>>283205086>I think that anon's point is that humans will organize and protect themselves from threats including natural calamitiesBut we don't you fucking idiot, we haven't protected ourselves from a single one IRL, we learn literally nothing from history
>>283202427You might as well ask why crime still exists in the real world.
>>283205086Goblins are the muslims of Europe and Europe ain't doing shit
>>283208966Kill every IRL goblin down to the last one.
>>283208966>>283210178Cool it with the antisemitism
>>283210197And the dark wizards too. And nuke the dark wizard country and the cities they are concentrated in.
Are goblins a representation for Japanese and elves for white women?
>>283202543it makes perfect sense because replace goblins with direwolves or some fantasy creatures>they have a nest close to a settlement>they attack>villagers die>adventurers hunt them>adventurers diein that sense goblins are actually better because you can rescue the rape victims lolrealistically of course humans would just eradicate the problematic species like they did with wolves in europe
>>283207411Just light a fire in every entrance.
OP is only focusing on goblins, when the four-cornered world has goblins and dragons and ghouls and dark elves and demons and liches and zombies and barbarians and more that threatens civilization.
>>283202543Goblins are trashmobs to high tier adventurers and armies.What they endanger are rural small villages and towns. Goblin Slayer literally refuses the call to arms to move on the demon king's army because without him the goblins would wipe out the nearby villages.
>>283202992>corrupt kingdom lets goblins run rampant for selfish reasonsThat opens up a storyline where the goblin slaying hero starts going after the nobles and/or royalty
>>283211514Regular humans are the representation of Japanese people.Elves stand for Northeastern Europeans.What the goblins represent, I will leave for you to figure out.
>>283202543Idk, IRL we have same problem with nigs and other browns yet no one does anything about it despite the many cities and neighborhood they have took control of and ruined.
>>283213092It makes more sense to compare a fantasy medieval setting to medieval Europe rather than modern Europe. It's not like there's a fantasy equivalent of the EU in the story demanding that all it's party nations let the goblins in.
>>283202427>Raiding rural civilizations to kidnap females of other species for breeding, these vile creatures are free to continue their onslaught as adventurers turn a blind eye in favor of more rewarding assignments with larger bounties.Did they not have a standing army or government in that universe? Adventures are basically just mercs and bounty hunters, it's not their obligation to do pest control job. I don't know about it as I just jack off the rape parts and ignore the stupid story.
>>283213126The story makes the Goblin Slayer borderline a Gary Stu, just by how much everyone have to be quite incompetent in comparison to him.You wonder how anyone gets past the copper tag sometimes.
>>283202717Idk, america have hog problem right now and no one do anything about it. Yes, actual hog, not euphemism for negros or other shitskin but actual snout nosed hogs.
>>283213092Does the human king order his peasants to open the town gates to the goblins and present their young daughters to them?
>>283207676>>283207652
>>283213172>hog problem>no one doing anything about itthey fly around in helicopters with AR15s and gun them down. my neighbor gets paid by the government to do it, it's kino
I like that there's one guy desperately trying to steer the thread into becoming /pol/shit.
>>283207945Being a goblin seems pretty cool ngl
>>283213719And like the Emus, the Hogs are wining.
>>283213126If I remember 10 years ago the king's father and his council sold out the country to the demon lord to immortality. The Prince's party killed them while the other Daikatana party with SM dealt with the demon lord. At the time the adventurer guild system had no power, there was some death plague ravaging the country - don't recall the exact details. Current king is ruling with his adventuring party, has to ride out to collect taxes himself instead of relying on tax collectors. I recall a line about dark elves constantly practically appearing out of nowhere to cause trouble in the capital in one of the chapter introductions. The king also wishes problems could be solved like his adventuring days by just going and killing something. Haven't read past vol 8 but I've heard that the Viking vol involves trying to make an alliance or something. So I get the picture that the details that the kingdom has been in a precarious situation since at least the demon lord 10 years ago killing off a ton of their people it's just not always hammered in all the time.>>2832057405th vol had the gods watching and felt like the Gob Paladin was made for a 1 v 1 against GS, mob goblins diving to take arrows from the elf, counterspell for mages, Lizard Priest could probably take him on as well but eh. 6th vol opens with a GS expy party made by truth just to kill them. The evil wizard tower in vol 4 was said to just come out of no where, one day the roads were fine for trade the next gargoyles (Or harpies forgot which) are coming to carry up people and drop them. To me I'd explain the setting as a multiplayer Sims not!D&D edition with the gods as the players. Haven't read past Vol 8 so I'm probably missing more example but eh.
>>283215985>gargoyles (Or harpies forgot which)Gargoyles. Stone cold killers even.
